What is Dirk's legacy without his ring?

@micahawoniyi9340

2 жыл бұрын

He’s top 20

@villimcnilli2867

2 жыл бұрын

Lebron James is the best baseball player

@Sebastian-ny7xv

2 жыл бұрын

@@villimcnilli2867 best basketball player too

@KennyBoy_

2 жыл бұрын

Top 20

@MajinTar

2 жыл бұрын

@@villimcnilli2867 LeBron James is the best football player

The only reason the Mavs had 50 wins for over 10 years is because Dirk was so great, he had very subpar co-stars his entire time in Dallas post 2004 He pulled a carry job for over 10 years bruh

@joshuamay9487

2 жыл бұрын

100% brother... And people just forgot the Mavs of the 1990s were the most losing team out of all the the major sports leagues NBA NFL AND MLB.

@jsmoove81519

2 жыл бұрын

Doesn’t mean his legacy wasn’t boosted to all-time status with the ring tho. If he didn’t win, he’d be considered in the second tier of all-time power forwards with Chris Webber

@InsaneTrickShots

2 жыл бұрын

Against one of the most stable conferences of any decade too imo

@titankiller5287

2 жыл бұрын

@@jsmoove81519 He would be seen as lesser but no he wouldn’t be with Webber, Webber was the best player on ONE conference finals team, Dirk would still have 2 finals appearances

@thiagomenezes7954

2 жыл бұрын

Even Noah could carry the number of animals Dirk carried for the post season. And without an arc!

As a thunder fan I cant even hate on them beating us that year. Dirk gave "small" market non super teams hope. Hes a legend, his ft percentage was insane in the playoffs that year

@A10R10

2 жыл бұрын

Dallas is a top 5 market in the country

@justinmunson1412

Жыл бұрын

As Seattle supersonics fan I love watching the thunder fail. Ass hats why didn't you get your own team instead of stealing ours.

@zsomborszigeti6797

Жыл бұрын

​@@justinmunson1412 how depressed do you have to be to be a supersonics fan

@John-ct9zs

Ай бұрын

@@zsomborszigeti6797 You guys should at least give Seattle it's NBA history back. You guys didn't win a championship in the 1970s, Seattle did. OKC didn't win those division titles and make it to the Finals against MJ and the Bulls in the 90s, Seattle did.

Hakeem's rings are up there too...esp the 95 one where they were the 6th seed and won the entire thing with no home court advantage

@ethanjobson3879

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Can’t overstate how shocking it was they swept the Magic after the Magic beat MJ Bulls and the Reggie Pacers.

@flickfellas9424

2 жыл бұрын

The 95 one hade Clyde the glide drexler tbf, but his 94 ring was the most impressive

@suhailrefaye92

2 жыл бұрын

@@flickfellas9424 the route to the championship was much tougher in 95 but from a supporting cast perspective yeah 94 was more impressive

@accountant3847

2 жыл бұрын

@@flickfellas9424 brings up clyde in 95 is basically the same as brings up kidd, terry & chandler in 2011... Hakeem had to carry team more than dirk, hakeem lead his team in all 5 stats while dirk only lead his team in scoring

@jovpal5685

2 жыл бұрын

@@ethanjobson3879 95 had an MJ? are you high of some sort? LOL

Hey, Jonny. While watching your videos, I've heard you mention the 90s Miami Heat and the 90s Cleveland Cavaliers as forgotten teams in the 90s. With that being said, I was hoping if you can do a "Most Underrated Teams of All Time" or "Best Teams to Not Win A Championship" video in the future. Nonetheless, I always liked your videos, man. I always watch them again and again in my leisure time. Keep up the good work, fam.

@daddyjumpshot392

2 жыл бұрын

I agree he should

@ethanrobinson9475

2 жыл бұрын

great idea

@Padoji

2 жыл бұрын

agree

@schauer247

2 жыл бұрын

I agree he should too

@JoeBobTarheel

2 жыл бұрын

I beat ya to it, Akio! 😄😄

Dirk was one of my favorite players to watch growing up. He was a beast and his finals run was one of the greatest carry jobs in NBA history. It’s the closest thing to a “solo championship” that I’m aware of.

@jlui21

2 жыл бұрын

- Hakeem's 1st run was a solo star. Random: The narrative for Dirk would have been a step below's Barkley -- if he had not won. Dirk's '06 loss to Wade was mostly (for me): Wade gettin' phantom calls but he was the aggressor and forced the refs to make bad balls. However, that '07 team was the real kicker b/c a #1 seed losing to #8 seed is bad -- but he faced his ex-coach in Nelson who spent several years coaching Dirk so he would be the one to know ALL Dirk's weaknesses.

I still like the 04 Pistons title win. Larry Brown led that team with brilliant defense with the leading Pistons scorer only averaging 17pts per game.

@shauncameron8390

2 жыл бұрын

And no All-Stars. Just mostly cast-offs.

@WarrenF19

2 жыл бұрын

I was coming to make this same comment. Also, without that title Ben Wallace is only considered to be an undrafted player that was a pretty good defender and rebounder, not a hall of famer Edit: it also did a lot for undrafted and offensively challenged players; Draymond Green is on record saying that growing up watching big Ben made him believe he could play in the NBA.

@kevinc8955

2 жыл бұрын

But they went to the finals again the very next year.

@WarrenF19

2 жыл бұрын

@@kevinc8955 bro, without that championship Ben Wallace isn't looked at the same outside of Detroit; Dirk was going to the hall regardless

@WineSippingCowboy

2 жыл бұрын

Larry Brown changed head coaching jobs like socks. Yet, he was the best head coach to never win a ring ...until he coached the Pistons. Finally, he won a ring 💍

Hakeem’s 2 rings, Jordan’s final ring, and the Greek freaks first ring come to mind when it comes to the impact it had on them when they won the titles, but no ring will matter more than dirks Dallas Legend❤️

@RetroNBA42

2 жыл бұрын

Giannis played injured teams and bad competition the entire playoffs.

@havelthedeadinside1799

2 жыл бұрын

@@RetroNBA42 I only say that cause it's the most recent but your right molester Malone

@hughmungus1534

2 жыл бұрын

@@RetroNBA42 Giannis averaged 35 13 and 5 on 60% shooting from the field, came back from down 2-0 after coming BACK FROM AN INJURY THAT IF IT WAS REAGGRAVATED COULD HAVE POTENTIALLY TORE HIS ACL OR ENDED HIS CAREER

@jeremyfuller7730

2 жыл бұрын

@@RetroNBA42 happens to almost every team that makes it to the title

@markjackson6431

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeremyfuller7730 yeah it does but that’s called context. and when we stack his championship to other all time greats…it’s not really impressive. the Celtics and Heat were injured, the Sixers choked, the Nets didn’t have the Flat Earther and Harden was basically on one leg. it was also a Covid year….when ever team was basically healthy, they couldn’t run it back.

For me Dirk's ring is by far the most important ring ever, but Hakeem's ring in 1994 was the most impressive.

@VelaniTheOne

2 жыл бұрын

Hakeem still won a championship the year after, so the title has less to say for him

@quackmemes5410

2 жыл бұрын

@@VelaniTheOne those 2 titles were 2 of the top 3-5 most difficult championships ever

@protipskiptoendofvideoandr286

2 жыл бұрын

@@quackmemes5410 while dirks was the hardest.

@Defender78

2 жыл бұрын

Is it possible to mention Dr J... he had 3 finals losses until Moses joined him in 83 and they finally won against the lakers. How would Erving had been remembered if he had ABA rings but 4 NBA Finals losses?

@hristijandimitrovski8664

2 жыл бұрын

@@quackmemes5410 yeah

Yeah man, I remember back then, it was so hard being a Mavericks fan. But Dirk eventually came through. I made it to the parade. Proudly!

It also ment a lot to all German basketball fans

@xSCHEF

5 ай бұрын

And Germany became world champion two years ago. I swear basketball is bigger than ever in Europe at the moment! All started with Rick Smits, Dirk, Parker, Sabonis, Gasol. And so many Baltic / Serbian players I am forgetting. We keep going forward guys, keep shooting hoops and help the next generation! I’m 39 in Netherlands and every week coaching the young kids!

Dirk was in the realm of Karl Malone, Charles Barkley, Elgin Baylor, Allen Iverson, etc..... not bad players in the least bit, but winning that ring - especially against that Heat team - changed his legacy dramatically. He really was seen as a great player who couldn't seal the deal before that point.

@yisusoflare6225

2 жыл бұрын

i mean, its hellishly tough to win a ring when youre loyal to a subpar organization, thats pretty much why dirks ring is valued so much

@leultrainstinct406

Жыл бұрын

DIRK>>>Curry all time

@EndietheEnderman

Жыл бұрын

@@leultrainstinct406 ok bot

@august6281

10 ай бұрын

Barkley said it best. Something like _"We are all Greats in that room but those with ring/rings were elevated higher."_

@lymphomasurvive

8 ай бұрын

The refs and David Stern took his first ring away.

Hey Jonny, I'm a big German Basketball Fan and i'm just happy that someone respects dirks acomplishments on the Basketball court. He is a legend of this game and a at least top 20 Player of all time.

@Torres9MZ

2 жыл бұрын

Same here. I am happy that the real ones give Dirk the credits he deserves. Deutschland kann stolz sein :-)

@danielarroy4853

2 жыл бұрын

Everyone in the US that knows basketball has respect for Dirk 👍🏽

@Johnnnnie

2 жыл бұрын

Dirk is definitely great but top 20 is a bit too much.

@dilach41

2 жыл бұрын

@@Johnnnnie He maybe 2nd best PF of all time behind Duncan. He had a better career than Garnett and Barkley. Only Malone has a case but he is ringless and a playoff choker. Dirk def Top20 all time

Dirks 1 ring is MUCH heavier than KDs 2 rings combined

@jjj9861

2 жыл бұрын

Than Lebrons

@jojomazzocchi8968

2 жыл бұрын

@@jjj9861 heavier than a ring coming back from 3-1 against the greatest team ever? Yeah you trolling or smoking some flock

@jaketerpening3284

2 жыл бұрын

​@@jojomazzocchi8968 I would rate it higher than Lebron's Ring for a few reasons. Despite their regular season record, I actually would not say that the 2016 Warriors were the greatest team ever. Jordan's bulls, Kobe and Shaq Lakers, Showtime Lakers, and even just the KD warriors the very next year were all better, even if their regular season records were not as good. I think also something else to note is that the Warriors played well together, but as far as star power goes it could be argued that the Cavs had the 2 best players on the court. Steph is really the only one you could consider a super star on the Warriors, and I don't think it's unreasonable to say that he is not as good as Kyrie. In contrast the Heat arguably had the 2 best players on the court, and a 3rd superstar as well. The mavericks did not have any other stars other the Dirk. I would probably say if you were to mix the starting 5s of the 2011 mavs and the 2016 cavs, Dirk is the only mavs player who would be in the lineup. Meanwhile if you were to mix the starting 5s of the 2016 Warriors and 2011 Heat, you would have the all 3 of the Heat's big 3 in there, and probably just Steph and Draymond from the Warriors. Essentially, if we weigh a ring on a team coming together to be greater than the sum of their parts, Dirk's mavs ring is probably the biggest example of that. In 2016, the warriors were the team who became greater than the sum of their parts, where as the cavs superstars managed to carry it through as one would expect from just looking at the rosters alone. I also don't give bonus points for going down 3-1. Winning is fewer games is more impressive. Winning in 7 with the last game coming down to pretty much one shot (which Kyrie made not Lebron) is not a convincing win.

@jojomazzocchi8968

2 жыл бұрын

@@jaketerpening3284 dogg…I’m not reading that no disrespect I bet it’s valid points tho 🤣

@DaffyTaffy93

2 жыл бұрын

@@jjj9861 than Curry’s easily

Dirk deserved it. It hurt since i was rooting for james and miami but dirk and that mav team definitely deserved it

@brendano7948

2 жыл бұрын

Are you a heat fan or are you one of those guys who you just root for whoever?

There's more to it. Dirk's ring also hurt LeBron's legacy. That put a tombstone to the comparison between LBJ and Jordan, as MJ is portrayed as a winner above anything else. Also, Kobe's 5th ring solidified him as one of the top players ever and helped him surpass Shaq's 4-ring resume. Thus he stepped out of Shaq's shadow in terms of accolades/chips.

@Kosithegod

2 жыл бұрын

Lol tell espn and every basketball comment section ever that the lebron/jordan debate is over.

@shaft9000

Жыл бұрын

There is no debate, because: - needing to play on teams with players having far more All-Star appearances than any other so-called GOAT......yet results in a sub-.500 performance record in The Finals. - the sheer hubris of self-proclaimed GOAT-ness after failing to learn anything from: '...not 2, not 3, not 4 not 5!!" - LeBronze - failing to advance past R1 in 3 out of 4 years in L.A., despite the org bending over backwards to please his requests and an abundance of top-75 and future-HoFers helping him out. worst of all... - LeCon is ugly to the core - a CCP-lover. I wish this were only a surface-level joke, but any "man" that cover$ for an actively genocidal regime is one depraved and fucked-up "human" 😪

@leultrainstinct406

Жыл бұрын

You’re crazy if you think the debate is over 2016 ring was even better than dirks

@npcie117

Жыл бұрын

@@leultrainstinct406 No it wasn’t. And Curry ended Lebron’s legacy so hush up when comparing Lebron to Jordan

@jacobfarley247

11 ай бұрын

@@npcie117curry ended his legacy when he recruited kd

With the exception of Shaq, Dirk beat every other superstar in the playoffs at least once.

@castlewhite1577

Жыл бұрын

As well as Tim Duncan

@khaitranngoc4176

Жыл бұрын

@@castlewhite1577 oh wait, Duncan has actually beaten Shaq

@shaft9000

Жыл бұрын

Isiah Thomas

I remember being in college training to start a pro ball career myself during these playoffs. Never been a LeBron fan, mostly because my older bro is a LeBron superfan but I was convinced Miami would wipe the Mavs right up til they lost the last game. This is definitely the most respect worthy championship for me. After all the hate Dirk got since 2007 (GSW 🤌🏾), it was beautiful to watch him get his long awaited praise. Nice to see Kidd and Terry get their rings too after such good careers

The 5 most important rings for an individual. 1. Jerry West - 1972 (No ring for the logo? Plus losing in so many finals without a win, legacy changing) 2. Dirk Nowitzki - 2011 (The video says it all) 3. Oscar Robertson - 1971 (Would be known as a great stat guy, that didn't know how to win) 4. Kobe Bryant - 2010 (Mentioned in the video) 5. Wilt Chamberlain - 1967 (Was at that time period considered the NBA g.o.a.t. But was also thought as selfish and unable to win, the finals and by extension the season kind of changes that)

Let's be honest, we all know Dirk really won two rings.

@geordiejones5618

2 жыл бұрын

What kinda stupid shit is this?

@AdolphSaxOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

06 was a robbery and they could have won it all in 03 if he didn't get hurt.

@robmckrobmck5567

2 жыл бұрын

Huh?

@ThisDude234

2 жыл бұрын

@@robmckrobmck5567 a lot of people believe that the Mavs got robbed by the refs in the 06 Finals.

@theSANDMAN366

2 жыл бұрын

Yupp, Dallas got hosed in 2006

The same could be said about Dr. J, he only won one championship late in his career, but it was a stacked Sixers team. I’m not sure what criticism Julius Erving got in the 1970s or early 80s though, without a title he would be a legend because we have more footage of him than Elgin Baylor or Oscar Robertson, but Dr. J would be barely be above them without a title.

@2KDUDE22

2 жыл бұрын

In the 70s dr j won the aba title for the nets

@davidmartinez52420

2 жыл бұрын

Dr. J won 2 titles in the ABA then had to contend with the mighty Celtics in the 80s in the NBA. His legacy wasn't in any serious jeopardy.

@brendano7948

2 жыл бұрын

Dr j was more of an aba player his nba title just added to his legacy

@Go_Wit_Da_Flow

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. Everyone right now says that it wasn't so serious, but had he not won that tittle, people would be roasting him and saying he was only good against bad competition in the ABA. To me, Dr. J's ring is more important than Dirk's. But he is a close 2nd.

@boy4775

2 жыл бұрын

@@Go_Wit_Da_Flow important to him maybe but nowhere near as difficult

I think that the 1994 ring of Hakeem is up there with Dirk as the CLOSE #2. Then maybe Giannis' 2021 ring is at #3?

@ChinmaiNaregal

2 жыл бұрын

2021*

@guilhermekeffer8673

2 жыл бұрын

Giannis ring is meh... We just cut him some slack, because we expect another one soon

@titankiller5287

2 жыл бұрын

Nah It’s Dirk, Hakeem, and Rick Barry who are the only 3 dudes in history to win the ring without another all star

@matthewsmith1779

2 жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly.

@Leon-cy7ud

2 жыл бұрын

Can you tell me about the 1994 ring?

I’m an old guy, it’s Jordan’s first ring. I remember when the thing with him was that he was “just a scorer” and the Bulls were too soft, that ring started it all.

Appreciate this video. I remember for sure Dirk was a monster and remember his play that whole season/playoff run 💯

Hey yo Johnny! Your intro is still the most unique, iconic, and inspiring l know on KZread! I just love it, had to stop and say I'm always even more fascinated by it

Quality content every time 💯💯

Johnny love your channel, you do your homework and have a great delivery. As a West Virginian I always appreciate the love you give the Logo. I remember my dad telling me about him and it was always inspiring bc he lived “ 20 minutes up the road”.

@AstralScourge

Жыл бұрын

I'm from West Virginia as well and love The Logo! He's one of the best ever and happy he's from WV

Keep up the content bro and stay at your own pace! You do you and this channel will grow inevitably.

Completely agree with this analysis. I ditched the NBA in the 2000s, briefly enjoying it again after I started to appreciate just how good Kobe was, mainly after I understood just how tenacious his work ethic was! But because of this absence, I had no idea that Dirk was a choker. I only knew him as a champion, the best Maverick in history and the guy that took down Miami. So, yes! Definitely the most important single ring to a superstar's career!

@yshrha10

2 жыл бұрын

@@simtelefon Actually that is a great point. 06 was clearly rigged to let Shaq win and push for Wade to become a superstar lol

@page8301

2 жыл бұрын

@@simtelefon Dirk was in fact one of the most consistent playoff scorers ever. His drop off in efficiency is top 10 all time while also increasing his volume. In that regard he was better than Bird who had far more terrible scoring series than Dirk despite his much shorter career.

The going to work pistons in 04 was the best

The 2020 ring is not an easy ring, it's the one of the hardest ever. The pandemic had people all over the world scared to death, there were no vaccines yet, and then these pros had to play basketbal at the highest level. The mental strength to be able to do this and succeed is off the charts.

@vulcanraven9701

5 ай бұрын

Lol okay Lebron. 😂

Dirk never let me down, as fan i believed in him every step of the way

I’m more impressed by Kawhi’s 2019 run. That run don’t get enough love.

@ImadogGarcia

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but it hurts that KD was injured. Dirk faced a full stacked Heat team at their prime

@mr.albert2847

2 жыл бұрын

Nah… he played bad in the Finals and because of injuries the won the championship

@Yahmeen

2 жыл бұрын

Nah that run was only impressive up until the finals. Everyone knows they were given a free ring with Warriors injuries

@JohnnyScumbagg

2 жыл бұрын

@@mr.albert2847 nah , there’s injuries or an asterisk to every year

It's worth mentioning that it's not just that the Mavericks won that year; Novitski absolutely dominated in clutch moments in that finals.

This video explains so much. Thanks.

Johnny I would say, that the Dallas Mavericks championship win with Dirk nowitzki,Jason Terry, and Jason Kidd, is arguably the most impressive championship because of the teams they beat. They beat really tough teams in the Western conference and then they beat the super team in the Miami heat.but I would say it's not the most important championship. When we say most important it's probably the most important one for Dirk nowitzki's legacy as you mentioned in your video, because as you said in your video, if Dirk nowitzki doesn't win this championship he would be considered a great player that didn't fulfill his potential. The fact that he won this put him as one of the best players to ever play the game. By the way long time no speak great video!

@GunmanYeoh

2 жыл бұрын

To this day I still wonder out loud on why the Miami Heat lost was the biggest upset on the championship run when the biggest upset and shock was how the Mavericks swept a current back to back 2 times champion gunning for a 3 peat, was in the last 3 NBA finals and finished in the top spot in the West (in championship form).

@dannybecker8639

2 жыл бұрын

@@GunmanYeoh yes it was a upset for sure. but did they really sweep them?I wasn't sure if it was a sweep but maybe you're right. To tell you the truth the Dallas Mavericks had a well-balanced team. Jason Kidd,Jason Terry and a bunch of role players that played defense and were able to shoot three pointers at a high percentage.

@GunmanYeoh

2 жыл бұрын

@@dannybecker8639 yeah it was a 4-0 sweep and things got ugly in the 4th game leading to 2 ejections for the lakers. KZread the Andrew Bynum violent foul on JJ Beria when the Mavericks were blowing the lakers 100 to 68 in the close out game 4.

@imdbtruth

10 ай бұрын

Kidd is the one that gets massively underrated from this playoff run. He's a top 5 PG of All Time, and even if he wasn't in his prime, you can't just act like he's just another role player. His fingerprints were all over that team on both offense and defense. Scoring was never what really made him special, and you can't fully account for what it means having that IQ on the floor for 35 minutes per game. Kidd was 9× All Defensive Team, which is tied for the most amongst PGs, and 2nd most amongst all Guards. And even at 38 years old Kidd led all players in the 2011 Playoffs in Assists, Steals, and Three-Pointers made. Kidd finished his career with a +3 winning record against LeBron.

1 context you didn’t mention on 2007 lost to GSW. The coach for GSW was Don Nelson, the coach who developed him and got them to play with a stretch 4 which seems normal for today. But that was revolutionary and often criticized at the time.

@darrengordon-hill

2 жыл бұрын

And GSW won (possibly swept) the regular season series. So for many reasons a "bad matchup". Many a "Charlotte Hornets" finished 8th in the East... with losing records. 8th in the West likely has 47 wins.... OKC/NO missed the Playoffs with at least 45 wins

@aaroneisenman6873

2 жыл бұрын

@@darrengordon-hill Yeah so many people forget just how stacked the west was back then....11 straight 50+ wins, yet the Mavs rarely had Home court due to the fact they were often 3rd and fourth in the conference

Dirks 2011 ring, Hakeems 1994 ring, and the Pistons 2004 ring were the greatest ever.

They blew a game in round one against Portland in 2011. Everyone was saying the Dirk and the Mavs were choking again and would be bounced in the First by a 6 seed. Made it even sweeter

Another great video. I feel like Jerry West and Oscar Robinson's solo championship's meant more. Jerry was always losing to Boston, then Wilt came along. Oscar was on subpar teams until Lew Alcinder (at that time) joined him. But you made a great case for Dirk.

@broaddusmarines

2 жыл бұрын

Jerry West craps on that championship ring. It wasn’t even against Boston. I believe it was against the Knicks. I’m sure it haunts him that he never beat Boston in the finals.

@simonhughes4934

2 жыл бұрын

And Willis Reed didn't play in the '72 finals for the Knicks because of injury.

@averyce2

2 жыл бұрын

Agree West didn't defeat the Lakers, but this did get the "chanpionship" monkey off is back.

Yo I'm sooo happy my boi Dirk got that ring he earned and deserved that 100 percent his ring will always stand out from any other ring bc he did it as the lone superstar! Those were some the best times of my life during that finals run!

@imdbtruth

10 ай бұрын

Dirk won because his team was better. He was great in the clutch, and was their MVP by far, but he also had the best squad that year.

@heathengrinder

10 ай бұрын

@imdbtruth yo i totally agree but outside of Dallas and Charles Barkley literally nobody else thought they would win and they definitely didn't think we had the best squad that year!

I agree, that run was legendary

Lifetime Spurs fan..grew up hating the Mavs..but absolutely have nothing but the upmost respect for Dirk and his championship run! I actually would’ve loved to see that team run it back and try to defend their title..Dirk enjoy ur retirement..you don’t know how many heartaches you gave this Spurs fan over your brilliant 20yr career!

Would have been 2 rings without those refs going wild in fouls in 06 finals in favor for Miami. LeBron already got his legacy defining ring with that Cavs win. While KD still got nothing lol.

@NewAgeSlaves

2 жыл бұрын

kd took ya girl or sum?

@pigmasters3263

2 жыл бұрын

Watching the 06 finals back. Not rigged, the fouls were legit. Mavs just fouled a lot

@pigmasters3263

2 жыл бұрын

@Disgruntled Simp Mod KD is not even top 10 currently in the NBA. He played horrible in this year's playoffs, look at the efficiency numbers. Jimmy Butler was the best player in the series with both numbers and the eye test when he played the Celtics, and took them to 7. KD was not the best player in that series in any regard, and he got swept. I used Jimmy as an example but the consensus is Giannis, and it has been for a while now.

@pigmasters3263

2 жыл бұрын

@Disgruntled Simp Mod You didn't refute the point I made about Jimmy, or the thing about Giannis. KD is only elite at overall scoring and shooting, which is hindered by his complete inability to move off ball(which we witnessed in the Celtics series), while he is good at everything else he doesn't have any other thing he's elite at. Meanwhile Giannis is an elite defender, transition scorer, finisher, overall scorer, and rebounder, while also being a better passer than KD. He also plays for the better team, and he might be in the finals right now if Middleton didn't get injured. At this point there is no argument whatsoever for KD being over Giannis. The fact that the dumbasses in the NBA TV media can't realize it isn't my fault, especially when so much of the NBA fanbase agrees with me.

@johneric9930

2 жыл бұрын

​@@pigmasters3263 kd had an all time bad series but to say that there's 10 players currently better than kd today is blasphemous.

God damn, that's a great great thought jonny. Big... huge respect for you for this video. I'm a magic fan, yet maybe even bigger fan of this German baller. What a legend

Dude I love dirk he’s one of my favorite players of all time

It’s ironic how when people started to doubt him, that’s when he succeeded. But when people praise him, he failed. Poetry 🔥

@gasperstarina9837

Жыл бұрын

I think noone doubted Dirk but everyone still IS DOUBTING Mark Cuban and the Mavs organization....somehow it seems Luka will have to win ring himself if he stays in Dallas

Who’s had the worst performance in the Finals, LeBron in 2011 or Kobe in 2004?

@NewAgeSlaves

2 жыл бұрын

Man what a showdown lol kobe constantly bricking and not feeding Shaq or lebron just pulling a David copper field and disappearing on his team 🤔

I'd even put Hakeem's and Giannis's championship up there as well with Dirk's

@alessandropieroni5858

2 жыл бұрын

2019 Kawhi championship deserve to be mentioned

@alessandropieroni5858

2 жыл бұрын

Also Heat 06 Pistons 04

@luism169

2 жыл бұрын

@@alessandropieroni5858 kawhi already joined a stacked raptors team that was pretty much always just a series away from the finals but ofc couldn’t because LeBron

@cotton3399

2 жыл бұрын

@@luism169 I'd say a bit more than a series away.

@tj5180

2 жыл бұрын

@@alessandropieroni5858 not really a carry job but I agree

Dwade in 06 pretty big too! Rightly or wrongly ppl now consider him #3 SG of all time because of it

Nice vid!

2011 is up their for the heaviest rings of the 2010's, 2011, 2016 and 2019 where the most important of the decade and its hard to separate them, Dirk's clutch championship, LeBron's inhuman explosion in game 5, 6 and 7 to come back from 3-1, and Kawhi's mercenary ring coming in and bring a Raptors team that spent a decade as treadmill team a championship against one of the most talented teams ever on the cusp of finishing up a 3-peat and 4 out of 5, man all 3 of those are so close it seems like spliting hairs to argue them. As far as the 2010 ring goes, everyone loves neglects the fact Pau Gasol honestly deserved heavy consideration for Finals MVP, I'm not just being Kobe hater and saying oh yeah it 100% should of been Gasol's MVP but that FMVP is dangerously close to putting Kobe in a steph curry situation with many rings and few Finals MVP's and honestly it makes sense Kobe is top 10-15 all time not a sure fire top 10 if not top 5 like Jordan, LeBron, Duncan, Kareem, etc.

Not just for his legacy but for the NBA in general. It proved you don't need a single super star teammate to win a ring. In fact I would argue by Dirk winning in 2011 it has made a lot of other players legacies look way worse. Oh you "didn't have good teammates"? Not a valid excuse anymore. Mavs went through prime Kobe, KD, Lebron and DWade.

@vernonleewarren280

2 жыл бұрын

Great point

@RobertoHernandez-bz2hh

2 жыл бұрын

He had Jason Kid that is a Hall of farmer, Shawn Maron that was a great defender and all star, Stojokovic that was also an all star, a great defensive center in Chandner and JJ Barea that was litter monster breaking angles. And also Jason Terry. Nice team.

@aaroneisenman6873

2 жыл бұрын

@@RobertoHernandez-bz2hh that is the point..."nice" not "great" team... Trade Dirk and Bosh on that Miami team in '11 and yeah, Bosh still doesn't have a ring and Dirk has what 3 or 4 rings?

@page8301

2 жыл бұрын

@@RobertoHernandez-bz2hh Jason Kidd in his prime was a consitent triple double threat. Mavs Kidd could not even hope to put up double doubles. Marion had noticably declined form his Suns days and was inconsitent on offense, not an all star anymore. Stojakovic? Seriously? Outside of the Lakers series he was nothing but a huge liabilty on defense and reitred right after he got his ring. Chandler was a journeyman who was so injury prone that no team wanted to keep him, he had played on 5 different years the 5 years prior to his stint with the Mavs. Barrea? What? Sparkplug form the bench, nothing more. Terry was a streaky scorer but not a good defender or passer/playmaker. Way to overrated the team. The only thing they had going for was Dirk, experience and patience. They were the oldest team in the league and it showed.

Amazing content.

One thing ovelooked about that dallas team is that, even when they had the second best record in the west overall behind the spurs, they were put in a lower classification spot becase they also were 2nd in the south-west division, making most of their first round playing against a tough team

@shauncameron8390

2 жыл бұрын

Because back then, the first 3 spots were awarded only to division-winners.

@elpedromoin

2 жыл бұрын

@@shauncameron8390 i know, my point is that if they were awarded by games winned, they woul at least reached a couple more conference finals and maybe another finals apereance and not just a 1st-2nd round exit

I love this video. I really hate fans mentioning Dirk's championship as LeBron's failure rather than Dirk's biggest accomplishment.

I definitely agree but Gianni's ring is also extremely underappreciated, considering he did that without having a single top draft pick and without a big market for free agents. Of course Dirk's story and road to the championship makes it more special, but their rings means almost the same to me.

@goated.content

2 жыл бұрын

Bro Giannis shot up everyone's all time list, became recognized as a unanimous top 3 player in the league with most having him as #1 or #2. What are you talking about it being "underappreciated"

Great Video

As a MMFL, I am a bit biased, but I agree. Dirk's run in 2011 was a sight to behold. He was a machine. And Dallas will always love him for it.

2011 was a legendary run, only rivaled/on par with Hakeem's 1994 run 2006 was stolen from the Mavs, you can check it out on KZread 2003 was an unfortunate injury year he probably would have won with Nash Lots of stuff out there on Dirk to type in the KZread search bar if interested: Proof the 2006 NBA Finals was RIGGED Nick Wright Dirk Nowitzki

@dariusgoatland10

2 жыл бұрын

Terrible take, 2006 definitely was not manipulated. You can see the difference between the officiating in the ‘06 finals as opposed to the ‘02 western conference finals. The difference is night and day.

@wulfriksreviews6334

2 жыл бұрын

Do better research and also please make sentences that are understandable. You can see the difference between officiating in 06 vs 02 in what regard? Do you know how many Free throws Miami got over Dallas in 2006? What part of the 02 "Western Conference" are you talking about?

@dariusgoatland10

2 жыл бұрын

@@wulfriksreviews6334 Do you realize how often players shoot more free throws than the opposing teams in the playoffs? Literally more than a dozen instances, lmfao. In game six of the 2021 nba finals, Giannis shot 11 free throws; the phoenix suns as a team shot 11 free throws. In game 7 of the nba finals, Giannis shot 19 free throws while the suns shot 18. This happens all the time. Literally multiple times in last year’s finals. Was that rigged too, spastic? Any other argument, little guy? Obviously too young to have watched the series if your argument is “b-but the free throws!” Who goes to the hoop more, Shaq & Wade or Dirk? How is it even shocking to you that the heat had more free throws, lmfao?

@dariusgoatland10

2 жыл бұрын

@@wulfriksreviews6334 Wcf the lakers shot 27 free throws in the fourth quarter. Like six players on the kings fouled out. Referees went to jail for their officiating. The fbi investigated 06 & concluded there was no manipulation, dumb dumb.

@wulfriksreviews6334

2 жыл бұрын

@@dariusgoatland10 Donaghy went on to accuse the NBA of manipulating the series to extend it, which in turn led to Miami's comeback. "I think basically Dallas basically got screwed out of a championship in that situation because the NBA started to manipulate the series to make sure it was extended and Dallas could never recover from it,” Donaghy said. Donaghy, 50, officiated in the NBA from 1994-2007. He pleaded guilty in 2007 to federal fraud charges after altering games to affect the points spreads to help himself and others who bet on the games. The guilty plea led to a 15-month prison sentence, which he completed in 2009.

Dirk never played with another hall of famer in his prime. Every other all time great won chips with another hall of famer in their prime but Dirk was never given that other player to be his robin. Lebron, Jordan, Kobe, Duncan, Durant, curry, magic, bird, you can keep going on and on. Dirk s an all time great, being in Dallas made him underrated.

@timmyg831

2 жыл бұрын

You forget Hakeem Olajuwon? In ‘94 he carried his the load for his team and had NO all star teammate. Just role players. Olajuwon also lead his team in all statistical category even steals & assists in the playoffs. No doubt what Dirk was great too. That’s why they both are so awesome… yet highly undervalued.

I can agree it is the most important for any 1 players legacy. Without it he’s prolly around 35/30 best all time, with he has a legit case for top 20 all time

still one of my favorite series

I would say Hakeem's back to back rings are equally important. Those rings solidified him as the top 10 player of all time for pretty much forever.

@accountant3847

2 жыл бұрын

Sadly, now, most people don't consider him as top 10 no more

@aesir1ases64

2 жыл бұрын

He is in the bottom of the top 10 and as players like Curry, Giannis and in the future Doncic started to cemented his legacy, Hakeem will prob fall out of the top 10, it will be reserved for plus 3 title winners and the outlier Wilt Chamberlain

Dirk literally has the only ring that holds LeBron away from the goat title No matter what LeBron does, people will bring this Finals up

@NewAgeSlaves

2 жыл бұрын

Eh I'd argue he still wouldn't be the goat lebron was suppose to 3 peat with the heat and flamed out bad that's why people bring it because of the expectations of that team

@KryptoChronicutelite

2 жыл бұрын

uhmmm no... If LeBron won his first year in Miami, people would think even less of his rings he won next. If he three peated, people would look at those rings like they do KD's. So it evens out actually that he lost. His next 2 now looks more important (even tho both of them still doesn't equal Dirk's 1)

Remember that Jerry West is still the last player, and probably the only player to win finals MVP on the losing team. There's a reason that man was the logo for the NBA

When I read the Title I Rolled my eyes… but you may A very great case that if he lost his legacy would be remembered very differently.

I honestly think the two most important rings of all time are Dirk’s and Hakeem’s first. They were so difficult and while having little help

@bachnguyenviet4289

2 жыл бұрын

Hakeem's second one was much more difficult than the first

@JoshCConnor

2 жыл бұрын

@@bachnguyenviet4289 But he had help in 95

@shauncameron8390

2 жыл бұрын

2 of the most successful one-man teams in league history.

@shauncameron8390

2 жыл бұрын

@@JoshCConnor In the form of Clyde Drexler still having something left in the tank.

@shauncameron8390

2 жыл бұрын

@@bachnguyenviet4289 With the 95 Rockets being the lowest seeded team to win the title at 6th. And all 4 of their opponents they beat having 55 wins or more. 2 of them had 60 (Jazz and Spurs).

Gimme Dirk ring over KDs two rings any day of the week.

@vintagemonte

2 жыл бұрын

rent free

@NewAgeSlaves

2 жыл бұрын

Good for you

Totally agree!!

How about David Robinson's first and only ring in his final NBA season, giving the Spurs franchise their first championship, setting up their 20-aughts dynasty with Tim Duncan as his heir apparent who built upon what his mentor had spent his whole career trying to establish in San Antonio?

How did Kobe have a easy path to championship for ring 4? You see all the opponent's in the west?

I think Dirks ring is by far the most impressive. He wasn’t in his prime, he had no other all-stars, DAL beat LAL (swept), OKC (KD and Russ) and POR. They were 3rd in the West and wasn’t favorited at all. Then they beat the big 3 Heat (LBJ, Wade, and Bosh). Dirk beat Kobe, Gasol, KD, Russ, Dame, Wade, LBJ, and Bosh in 1 playoff run.

@timmyg831

2 жыл бұрын

Dirk’s ring is probably equal to Olajuwon’s ring(s). Olajuwon didn’t have an all star teammate in ‘94 in his first championship. In ‘95 Olajuwon and Rockets was a 6th seed yet still won, sweeping Shaq’s Magic. He beat great teams equal to what Dirk faced.

Dirk's greatness was best seen in FIBA European championship in Belgrade 2005.His Germany was defeated in the finals by Greece and at 3:22 until the end of the game he went out and received, to this day, the biggest and most honest ovations from around 20.000 fans. Just to add that the Arena was full of Serbian and Greek fans, that certainly don't have much nice feelings towards Germans in general.

Curry's fourth ring comes to mind before it he was a guy who won titles but was never viewed as an all time great like the truly great ones but once he got that forth title and finals MVP many put him in the top ten all time list that's a huge legacy defining win

Hakeem 94 is levels above Bum Nowitzki.

@cezaryadamski8786

2 жыл бұрын

it depends , if you mean more impressive than I have to say Dirk edges Hakeem. Yes Dirk had better offensive and defensive help but he did beat better competition. Lebron, Wade and Bosh, Kobe and Pau and young KD, Westbrook and Harden. Plus Hakeem was a great player and great performer in Playoffs before 94 , he even beat Kareem,Magic and Worthy in 86 (same team than won in85,87 and 88). On the other hand Dirk usually choked Playoffs

@eeeee4686

2 жыл бұрын

@@cezaryadamski8786 Dirk played against underperforming teams and had elite defensive help in chandler marion Kidd etc. Dream carried a bum squad to a ring while dominating on both ends .

@cezaryadamski8786

2 жыл бұрын

@@eeeee4686 I agree Hakeem carried Rockets more but Hakeem was already great Playoff performer before 94. He beat Kareem, Magic and Worthy in 86. Same Lakers that won in 85, 87 and 88. Dirk on the other side was a bit of Playoff choker. That's why him beating LeBron, DWade and Bosh, KD, Westbrook and Harden, Kobe and Pau is so important and impressive. I agree Hakeem performance was better in 94,he had no help

@cezaryadamski8786

2 жыл бұрын

@joceja23 for me personally Dirk's and Hakeem in 94 2nd best

Although I can't stand Lebron...I say Lebron's over GS is the biggest because it allowed people to have an excuse to place him near Jordan. That ONE ring allowed him to be considered the greatest while no one says that Dirk is the greatest.

@aesir1ases64

2 жыл бұрын

Wrong, bronsexuals were already claiming Lebron was the goat after his 2rd title against the Spurs, this title against the warriors solidy him as a top 3 for most but the majority of fans still widely consider jordan the goat, bronsexuals are fanactics and they think his title against the heat in the bubble was a great one, anyway this title made Dirk a sure top 20 25 player all time, without it he would not be in the top 50 for a lot of folks, if there is one list you dont want to join is those of great player ringless, just look at Barkley for example.

For those saying Hakeem's 95 was more impressive, please take note that the Rockets that time made a trade for Clyde. On the other hand, Dallas 2nd option, Caron Butler got injured. So the narrative that Dirk carried his team without their no. 2 guy weights more than the Rockets one. No offense to Hakeem (their run was 2nd all time in my opinion) but this run by Dirk is the greatest run in NBA playoffs history (will be eclipsed by 2022-23 Lakers if they win it all this year).

@brandontran8751

Жыл бұрын

The rockets went 18-18 after they got Clyde. Its the fact that they has no home court advantage and the records of the teams. Jazz were 60-22, the Suns were 59-23 and they came back from 3-1. The Spurs were 62-20 and had the MVP. The Magic were 57-25 and had Shaq and Penny, they swept them also

Bless you 🙏 you are a basketball smart guy

I still think it's Lebron's 2016 championship. The entire narrative of him leaving Cleveland and coming back and having to take down a Warriors juggernaut all while coming back from a 3-1 legacy put him in GOAT 🐐 conversations. Jordan himself agreed to The Last Dance doc the same night Lebron clinched the 2016 chip. Not a coincidence imo.

@2KDUDE22

2 жыл бұрын

If green don’t kick Lebron in the balls and get suspended the cavs don’t win that series that game 5 swung all momentum.

@Sf75178

2 жыл бұрын

Going down 1-3 in the first place is not a good thing

@masmirage

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sf75178 They went down 1-3 to a 73-9 team with a unanimous MVP.

@Sf75178

2 жыл бұрын

@@masmirage good regular season team only.

Lebron inexplicably choked. It’s that simple

@NewAgeSlaves

2 жыл бұрын

As 123...

In general the teams that won rings during the 2000s is one of the greatest and most impactful rings we were ever see. Kobe in 09 and 10, Wade in 06, shaq and Kobe in 0-2, Tim in 03, bill and Ben in 04. Amazing rings that to this day are underrated

@Prodigial

2 жыл бұрын

Eh, Wade's ring in 06 has a massive asterisk next to it. Tim Donaghy, a ref famous for cheating, has gone on record saying the series was rigged for the Heat. He says it was done to teach Cuban a lesson due to Cuban butting heads with David Stern and other higher ups in the NBA numerous times. Looking at the games and rewatching the series, it's easy to see how that could be the case. Wade averaged 21 points from free throws ALONE that series. I remember being so pissed watching him drive to the basket because you knew it was a whistle the vast majority of the time for no foul.

@randomperson2540

2 жыл бұрын

@@Prodigial true, but even with that being the case, the mavs could’ve very well still won that series, Wade also didn’t have alot of help. Wade also earned a lot of those FT they didn’t really have that good of a rim protector, and Wade would always blow by his man.

@randomperson2540

2 жыл бұрын

@@Prodigial your wrong about the FTs, he averaged 12.5 points off of FT not 21. Dwade should’ve at the very least averaged 10 FT a game against that team, he averaged 8 against a great defensive team like the pistons.

Dirk will always be my fav

Got to give Dirk credit he was a beast in 2011

U open my eyes on dirk

Even though you talked about it, it cany be overstated how important *WHO* Dirk & the Mavs beat in making this argument. Sure, many rings are important in someone's legacy, but defeating sweeping the Champs, a great OKC team & most importantly, the most hyped super team in ages - Miami - really sold "this Dirk is unguardable." He was known as a match-up nightmare his entire career, but putting on the show he did through the entire post season, killed the "soft" & "finesse" label immediately.

I totally agree with you.

Most important and most impressive in history. Look at who they beat. The entire squad deserves credit, not just Dirk.

The 1983 76ers Ring was massive for Dr. J and Moses Malone. 1971 Bucks Ring for Oscar Robertson. Other Rings were huge at the time but a second Ring that followed shortly after make it less big in retrospect (like Isiah Thomas and the ‘89 Pistons, who repeated in ‘90, Hakeem Olajuwon and the Rockets winning in ‘94 and then repeating in ‘95, David Robinson’s Spurs winning in ‘99 and then retiring after another Ring in 2003, or Kawhi Leonard’s Raptors Ring in 2019 being so huge even though he’d already been a champion and Finals MVP with the Spurs in 2014).

Kawhi Ring and kyle lowry with the Raptors was super important and impressive . And Shaq ring with heat to prove he didn't need kobe

It was only after the ‘06 season when they keep losing in the first round except ‘09(they beat the suprs R1). Before the “playoff disappointments” dirk led his mavs to second round and conference finals, he never had a losing season to get picks. He just hasn’t had an all star caliber team mate to pair him. his only ring truly cemented his legacy as an all time great. Not even KD so far can match what dirk accomplished.

@page8301

2 жыл бұрын

And Dirk was a monster after 2007. He was consistently great putting up fantastic stats but his team just was not good enough. In fact stat wise 2011 was not even his most impressive year.

I love your videos about pass and present nba player and how great they are I hope you will make a video about how great was prime ak47 and shawn marion I love those guys how they played basketball Thanks and Godbless

I said before on a couple videos, that ESPN's next 30for30, (I even called their office an suggested it a few years back...) should be chronicling the five years from the Mavericks 06 defeat by the heat, to their 11 finals championship over the heat. Think it'd make one of the best redemption documentary stories out there. Practically writes itself.

hey Jonny, i love your vids tho, btw what is the name of the background music, i kept finding what music you put

Dirk got stuck behind the Duncan Spurs and Kobe Lakers for over a decade. Not his fault at all. He is an absolute legend.

The greatest playoff run in NBA history, and without a ring people would just look at Dirk the way NFL fans look at Tony Romo: Great stats, but can't in when it matters But after beating the two-time defending champions, multiple stars in each round, and setting NBA records, Dirk found his way into the Finals, where he led the charge for a 15-point comeback in the 4th to tie the series, then played with a 102 degree fever in a Game 4 that had the season on the line and tied the series again and just running with it from there.

Just found this channel your gonna go somewhere

Great video! In my opinion, Dirk has the greatest single championship ever. And especially considering the trajectory of his career prior to that, it was such a good moment for him to finally get that ring.

@hristijandimitrovski8664

2 жыл бұрын

Hakeem Olajuwon and Giannis played more impressive than Dirk when they led their teams tothe championship

@eeeee4686

2 жыл бұрын

Hakeem 94 is much better

I remember that I was 12 years old when this championship happened and I was the only one among all of my friends who supported the Mavs.. everyone told me it will be easy for LeBron to defeat the Mavs..

This is absolutely true. This one ring holds more value than all of Lebrons.