Hey all please check out my full KZread video on trying to survive as Luxembourg in HOI4 kzread.info/dash/bejne/qXycxcprftnWmdo.html

@heemdoctah

2 жыл бұрын

Please make your cuts cleaner for gods sake Entire seconds you could’ve shaved off this video

@nfaisnfgay

2 жыл бұрын

You literally have no clue what you’re talking about here and it’s sad

@stephenhurd1489

2 жыл бұрын

Wax capping seals

@nfaisnfgay

2 жыл бұрын

Why do you pretend to know what you’re talking about but you don’t??

@stephenhurd1489

2 жыл бұрын

@Getmadmaybe? Bro that's a myth. Some mythbusters shit if I ever heard it.

They make a modern version that fires cartridge ammo its beautiful

@John-uy4jx

2 жыл бұрын

I kinda want one. I don’t know why but I do. I’m thinking I could buy a Taurus revolving .410 but I’d like a rifle version in either .45 colt or .44 magnum for hunting deer and pigs.

@celter.45acp98

2 жыл бұрын

@@John-uy4jx I have 1 in 45 long colt & I built one in 30-30 for hunting

@OfficialFedHater

2 жыл бұрын

@@John-uy4jx Circuit judge?

@John-uy4jx

2 жыл бұрын

@@OfficialFedHater yeah I went down a rabbit hole and ended up finding out about it. I’m thinking of going to my local gun shop and ordering one.

@OfficialFedHater

2 жыл бұрын

@@John-uy4jx They're cool, more useful than a judge imo, at least you can hunt properly with it.

Ahhh, chain-firing.. Or, as we in the business like to call it-“Cap-&-Ball-torture”.

@f.e.gviper1601

Жыл бұрын

How does this not have more likes 😂

@richardkapowsky6073

Жыл бұрын

*Cap and Ball Torture. From wikipedia. The free encyclopedia*

@gabrielc7861

Жыл бұрын

@@richardkapowsky6073 that anyone can edit?

@-Emonem-

Жыл бұрын

This is pure gold right here

@petercameron2137

Жыл бұрын

LOL

As the late R. Lee Ermey once said: “See where my left hand is. What do you think would happen if a chain fire occurred? That’s right! No more left hand!”

@nicholashodges201

Жыл бұрын

YES! Every time I either see that man fire a rifle or see one of these the other comes to mind. It really makes me wonder exactly who in his life lost part of a hand to one of these. Also I'm pretty sure he's waiting for every dead Marine that arrives at the trenches that surround Hell...

@ADogNamedStay

Жыл бұрын

@@nicholashodges201 we all know he's in the halls of Valhalla.

@nicholashodges201

Жыл бұрын

@@ADogNamedStay we all know Marines go to Hell. Otherwise they would get bored...

@clothar23

Жыл бұрын

​@@nicholashodges201 Does not their own song say they guard the streets of Heaven ?

@JnEricsonx

7 ай бұрын

@@clothar23 When they're on leave maybe.

I used to work in a civil war shop in Gettysburg back in high school, we had dozens of these rifles up on the walls and I never got tired of telling people about them! Every time someone would come in and ask this exact question and I'd tell them basically the same! Very cool to be reminded of it all these years later

@MrM4DM4N

Жыл бұрын

The real reason for the reluctance to new technology was that the Union already had the old rifles in stock. Just the same Union Generals were a bunch of mummies that were afraid of change. You can see this in the Spanish-American war, The Army refused to equip the soldiers with bolt action rifles because they thought that they were going to go through all the ammo costing tax payers a lot of money.

@chubbywombat7402

4 ай бұрын

A civil war shop is kind of a weird concept to someone not from the US.

@VonLedigsberg

4 ай бұрын

​​@@chubbywombat7402Imagine a Franco-Prussian War Shop in Germany in France today.

@chubbywombat7402

4 ай бұрын

@@VonLedigsberg Yes, nice example. And quite the odd thing to imagine, too. Ridiculous.

@dannylojkovic5205

4 ай бұрын

@@chubbywombat7402there’s a book you should read called “Confederates in the Attic” which talks about America’s collective memory regarding WWII. It’s really weird indeed. You’d think the northern states would be more enthusiastic about the Civil War, and they are to an extent, but the South LOVES the civil war even though they lost. They look at the South as a noble society just trying to fight against northern aggression, even though the South started the war. And people are still obsessed with this war over 150 years later. I’m an American by the way, had family who fought in the Civil War, and find it really weird how romanticized the war is

"AND NOW, FOR MY ULTIMATE MOVE, CHAAAAAIIINNN FIIIIRRREEEEE!!!" "Well, there goes Sir Tommy's hand."

@salty9702

Жыл бұрын

LMFAO

@dan_trademark

Жыл бұрын

No. You have to akimbo them when they chain fire. (Seeing the future included)

@Randoman590

Жыл бұрын

That sounds incredibly anime. I love it.

@medicineman7877

Жыл бұрын

@Miles Doyle i get that you are praying for us or something, and im southern so im super religious, but i dont wanna read a bible quote and a shit ton of religious text in youtube. I own like 15 bibles, i cam just read from them.

“I’ve got five rounds left Johnathan… that’s one for each finger…” *charges into battle and blows fingers off*

@leothesleepingdog6055

Жыл бұрын

Imagine not being able to fire 20 smh

@shinigamigamerx1890

Жыл бұрын

Midoriya

@hummer4833

Жыл бұрын

@@shinigamigamerx1890 weeb challenge: don’t reference anime for 5 minutes (impossible)

@shinigamigamerx1890

Жыл бұрын

🗿🪛💀 (emo) soon

@justsomedude4469

Жыл бұрын

@@hummer4833 Jonathan? As in Jonathan Joestar as in JOJO 🤯🧐😱😳🤯😳😱🤯

and thus, the shotgun was invented.

@SioxGreyWolf

5 ай бұрын

It's gonna be a one handed shotgun, whether you wanted it to be or not!

@harrisonlinden6552

20 күн бұрын

The funny thing is they had “shotguns” during the civil war. You just loaded a smooth bore musket with buckshot instead of ball ammo.

Soldier in the civil war: "HEY, I'M STILL IN ONE PIECE Colt 1885 revolving rifle: "SNAPBACK TO REALITY" *deletes the user's hand*

@paulwolf7562

Жыл бұрын

I think you got the numbers reversed? By 1885, they metallic cartridges.

@leonardotheitaliangigachad8026

Жыл бұрын

@@paulwolf7562 yeah man

@jaredjosephsongheng372

6 ай бұрын

Uhhhhh I'm pretty sure the Civil War was back in 1861. Are you sure they had 1880's level of technology back then??

@harveyknguyen

3 ай бұрын

​@@jaredjosephsongheng372its iust like Guns of the South

"That is going to rip you apart" Doomslayer: am I a joke to you?

@dontkickmychick6076

2 жыл бұрын

Alt fire: chainfire Fires all rounds at once

@lemmingscanfly5

2 жыл бұрын

Not sure the BigGuy likes to be hurt by his own weapons, that's some DOOM2 joke mod sheeit.

@billieeisenhower406

2 жыл бұрын

Doom reference 🤓

@dakotagist7526

2 жыл бұрын

That was painfully cringe

@lemmingscanfly5

2 жыл бұрын

@@dakotagist7526 I agree.

Most soldiers figured out that if they smeared grease into the ends of the cylinders, it would greatly reduced the risk of chain firing.

@zzzetsulive

2 жыл бұрын

Crisco

@hyenaloaf1858

2 жыл бұрын

@@zzzetsulive crisco melts and gets runny very easily. Do NOT use crisco

@yungdisney

Жыл бұрын

Site your source

@tacoboy2218

Жыл бұрын

Animal fat works to but its not recommended

@spiffygonzales5899

Жыл бұрын

Reduced risk and eliminated risk are two very different things

I'll never forget Gunny was supposed to shoot that on one of his shows and he straight up refused to.

You can easily prevent this with basic maintenance though. Basically rub some wax or grease on the front of the revolver cylinder after its loaded. Even without doing that though chain firing was SUPER rare as in most people who have fired black powder revolvers have not had a chain fire in 50 years kind of rare. What it more likely was was the timing of the cylinder rotation was off.

This was a major plot point in one of the "Saga of the Sierras" books. I can't remember which one, but in one of them the bad guy was know for his "fancy revolving rifle." He ended up getting the Big Sleep from a chain fire in a crucial moment.

@seronymus

Жыл бұрын

I recommend a Canticle for liebowitz

2 points of note. I'm not sure if it was out yet, but chain fire was reduced and/or removed by placing walls between the holes in the cylinder. I'm not sure if it was out at this point yet, however. Slightly more importantly in this case, rifles are usually shot 2 handed due to several factors including weight and aiming. Revolvers have a nasty tendency to spray a lot of unburned black powder and a lot of excess energy outwards from the space between the cylinder and barrel. Enough to break skin and, in some cases, break bone. It's not generally a good idea to use a weapon that can kill you. If you want to see a hilariously bad idea because of chain fire, look up Turret Guns. Those, you can literally see the problems coming.

@Constance_tinople

2 жыл бұрын

Oh that was a lovely internet search lmao. Thanks!

@theworldofnexttuesday2802

2 жыл бұрын

I remember hearing the explanation of black powder and cylinder gaps being a core reason. With a handgun, you are entirely behind the cylinder holding it out away from you. With a rifle, you are putting the cylinder closer to your face AND putting your hand near that gap where a little flash can come out. One complaint I've heard about the Chiappa Rhino (revolver where the barrel lines up with the bottom cylinder) is that you have to be a bit more careful about avoiding that gap. Tech HAS come a long way, and now cylinders are fitted much better to their barrels, but that area gets hot really close to your fingers, apparently. Might be wrong, just an anecdote I heard.

@BrentLorend

2 жыл бұрын

Note: I am referring to Turret Rifles and Turret Revolvers, not the modern day turret weapons, they'll probably show up in the search as well if you do.

@thezuck8157

2 жыл бұрын

Wax plugs were also used, if I'm not mistaken.

@bloodybullet99

2 жыл бұрын

Yea, even a little beeswax, just a thin layer and chain fire becomes non existent

The main problem was that once you fired all 6 chambers successfully, it took forever to reload. Your enemy could keep shooting at you with their single shot rifled musket until they ran out of ammunition. When using revolving rifles or pistols with a buttstock, you keep both hands behind the front of the chambers which keeps your hands from being burned from chamber flash or chain fire.

@elijahmaples5914

4 ай бұрын

After firing all six couldn't you then just use it as a normal musket? I'm not sure of the intricate mechanics but if you could just load one barrel then shoot and repeat. Then having essentially a musket

@robertrobert7924

4 ай бұрын

@@elijahmaples5914 That could be done, but the mechanics of loading one chamber with a small paper combustible cartridge, then rotating the cylinder to cap the nipple, and then rotating it again to the firing position would be rather cumbersome. Especially while under fire. You might drop the small cartridge or the small percussion cap.

@elijahmaples5914

4 ай бұрын

@@robertrobert7924 I mean to be fair, that's essentially the same as another musket except with spinning the cylinder. Which I don't know how difficult it would be on top of everything else. Effectively ending with a slightly more difficult musket after having a nice smooth first six shots. I think the benefits outway the negatives ignoring the potential lost to your hand via chain firing.

@robertrobert7924

4 ай бұрын

@@elijahmaples5914 OK

@Psilomuscimol

4 ай бұрын

If it's rifled it's not a musket.

I feel so proud of myself for already knowing the answer to this question

"you see cornelius, when you hold a gun like this you pour powder more efficiently for fear of hitting fingers."

Money. They had millions of already paid for muskets laying around. Elite units had access to repeating rifles.

@mattm9689

Жыл бұрын

And doctrine. They were still fighting linear battles. The value of repeating arms was low and the early repeating arms didn’t fair well in this battles.

@rabbitguy337

Жыл бұрын

@@mattm9689 fare*

@kam2894

Жыл бұрын

@@rabbitguy337 go away

@Christian-dd2qm

Жыл бұрын

@@mattm9689 The Turks/Ottomans absolutely crushed the first Russian attacks at the siege of Plevna due to having access to Winchester rifles, while the Russians were at best armed with the old single-shot Berdan rifle. The siege was prolonged by about half a year or so(?) because the Russians just couldn't get through the Winchester voleys.

@raafaezaki1554

Жыл бұрын

This. it was WAY WAY cheaper to arm hundreds of thousands of men with muskets instead of more expensive revolvers and repeaters that would just eat up ammo and cost the government millions in ammunition

What you described is an issue with all cap and ball revolvers, and yet there are few commercial cartridge revolver rifles. The actual reason is that revolvers are unsealed at the chamber, so you get a burnt hand even of just the intended shot goes off

@zucc3446

5 ай бұрын

Forget “burnt” if it’s a high enough caliber, that gas means you don’t have a hand anymore just look up “Hotdog Revolver”

@jamesoncatlett6784

5 ай бұрын

@@zucc3446 this is true with a hand over the cylinder especially. Burnt hand at the very least with optimum hand placement lmao

@robertnett9793

5 ай бұрын

I think he mentioned, that chain fire is especially problematic, when you have your hand in front of the drum. Sure - your revolver can chain fire and that's nasty. But at least you have your hand at the grip.

@jamesoncatlett6784

5 ай бұрын

@@robertnett9793 A chainfire is worse on a rifle, but cartridge rifles can’t chainfire, and there are basically no cartridge revolver rifles either. It doesn’t matter that it’s a cap and ball system, the unsealed chamber will burn your face and front arm on a revolver rifle

@railrost7428

4 ай бұрын

Yeah but cap and ball revolvers are notorious for chainfiring. Its far less likely in cased ammo

I saw something like this in a Wii game, it was fascinating

Pretty sure grease was used to cap cylinders to prevent chain fire. They weren't more popular because they were EXPENSIVE.

@kimjongun1348

2 жыл бұрын

Henry's were the same way, expensive as hell for brass cartridge ammo, not to mention you can spit 500 rounds out easily during one battle

@unknownguyindo4356

2 жыл бұрын

"It's Expensive" Enough said.

@jamesbarnett8832

2 жыл бұрын

there were quite a few fast firing rifle designs by this point, but yeah, the problem was almost always "its too damn expensive"

@dr.pewpew2619

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesbarnett8832 absolutely. I bet there were 10 competing models of rapid fire rifles at that time. But, $20 for a musket, vs $450 for a repeating rifle...it doesnt take a genius to figure that math out. (Those numbers aren't accurate. They're just representative)

@weaniebeaniebur5725

2 жыл бұрын

Nope, although grease can help prevent chainfire, this was a modern product made to mitigate fowling. The main way to prevent Chainfire is by using the correct size ball, which is larger than the chamber and sheds a led ring. Unlike a rifle or musket that would use a patch for lead ball or a type of grease that came on the "mini" ball's skirt.

"So...Tom...I'm going to finish this once and for all..." *fires rifle and dies*

@Hit69420

2 жыл бұрын

🤮

@Bartho_85

2 жыл бұрын

@@Hit69420?

@robertortiz-wilson1588

2 жыл бұрын

Eww

@Bartho_85

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertortiz-wilson1588 bro fr? grow up m8

@videoms1271

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bartho_85 dude uses 2010 slang, based

Chain fire sounds like a hitman accident opportunity

the same really applies for black powder revolver pistols. your supposed to "wax" the cylinder after loading the rounds to prevent that from happening. That significantly slows down reloading if you can't quickly swap preloaded cylinders. The other issue is the gap between the cylinder and the barrel. A longer barrel will have more backpressure, forcing more of the gasses and explodey bits out of the gap. Black powder burns slower than modern smokeless so more actively burning powder will escape.

There's actually a solution to this problem! Crisco.

@abelcheng2073

2 жыл бұрын

Putting a layer of Crisco over the front of the cylinder mitigates risk of chain firing but how would the gun hold up after smearing what essentially is cooking grease over metal? Would there be any damage?

@nathanmazz3965

2 жыл бұрын

@@abelcheng2073 I do it with my pietta all the time it hasn't worn that part at all and I've used it as a yard toy for like 2 years now

@Definitely_not_Andrew_Yoshiaki

2 жыл бұрын

If my information is correct, didn’t people use beeswax for similar functions back in the day??

@blazeelvirafirehoof7844

2 жыл бұрын

Remember to bake with CRISCO! We don't know what it is either.

@irishwristwatch2487

2 жыл бұрын

@@abelcheng2073 oil is oil man, lube that thing up

Wasn't really a death trap, considering the 21st Ohio was equipped with them to great effect.

@treyhelms5282

2 жыл бұрын

I thought in the later stages of the Civil War, the US/union used rifles that had cartridges. Maybe lever action rifles? Maybe the 21st Ohio used revolver rifles that used cartridges? Maybe paper cartridges?

@joeshmoe5316

2 жыл бұрын

@@treyhelms5282 Or maybe they used grease to stop chain firing?

@treyhelms5282

2 жыл бұрын

@@joeshmoe5316 Yeah, reading about it now pretty neat. Do you think that’s what they did? And maybe the reason it didn’t become common place was expense?

@joeshmoe5316

2 жыл бұрын

@@treyhelms5282 I don't know, one would assume they did, because otherwise it wouldn't be done today with modern reproduction black powder revolvers.

@michaelcastellano588

2 жыл бұрын

@@treyhelms5282 I did some reading, they still used a loading system similar to regular colt revolvers. They also suffered from issues of chain firing, but were more deadly due to the fact that the user had his face up to the sights and hand in front of the cylinder to be able to hold the rifle properly.

“Check this out Johnson” (blows off hand)

This made me think of those porter turret rifles that had rounds pointing out in all directions and would chain fire and shoot sideways/backwards at the same time

A common solution that officers would do for this is add some grease at the end of the cylinder

@cjlane4465

2 жыл бұрын

And it eventually led to the wad.

@normalusername5223

2 жыл бұрын

This technique was invented by the CSA by 1 ingenious Colonel who's fingers were already covered in grease

@Oldass_Deadass_dumbass_channel

2 жыл бұрын

@@normalusername5223 This is an amazing joke gamer

@ourtube4266

2 жыл бұрын

@@normalusername5223 God bless the 11th Kentucky Fieldworks Company and their commander dressed all in white with his greasy fingers.

@dynamicworlds1

2 жыл бұрын

A common solution for this was to use a normal musket/rifle. With the slower loading procedure, these would actually have a lower rate of fire than a normal contemporary gun. They also had problems with less of the energy of the powder being delivered to the projectile because of the gasses being able to escape between the cylinder and barrel which would negatively impact range and accuracy. If you need to fire off 6 shots in rapid succession and aren't worried about range or long-term rate of fire, that's what your pistol is for. And if you've got the money, go ahead and carry 2. They're small.

It's a shame being as how the term "chain fire" sounds so cool

@demityrant1784

Жыл бұрын

It IS cool, just also happens to be very life-risking. Those 2 overlap often.

There was another issue that persists even with modern versions. There is some gas blowby at the cylinder gap and if you are wearing short sleeves it can result in powder burns on your arm

I think the main real reason was that those were more expensive and not as easy to handle as single shot rifles.

@alfsleftnut9224

4 ай бұрын

Yeah more expensive, harder to handle, more prone to failure than the standard musket at the time. It really was a no brainer to use what, at the time, were better guns

@wargey3431

4 ай бұрын

@@alfsleftnut9224still feel it’s a shame no one thought to copy the Prussian needle gun mechanism in America that would have been a brilliant civil war design for the infantry and would have massively increased rates of fire Im also kind of shocked no one though of a break action rifle a bit like the double barrel shotgun for infantry use using brass cartridge and external hammer

@harveyknguyen

3 ай бұрын

​@@wargey3431i mean to be fair neither the USA or CSA were really at any position to field new tech when the Confederates can't produce enough guns on their own and the US can't afford to stop producing Springfield rifles

@wargey3431

3 ай бұрын

@@harveyknguyen ohh definitely I’m just more shocked than anything that even the Union didn’t buy a number of Dreyes rifles seeing they were buying just about every other rifle europe produced

@harveyknguyen

3 ай бұрын

@@wargey3431 i think that can be explained by "Ordnance Corps hates new technology", because that's a constantly recurring theme throughout most of the wars the US has been in also they probably thought that it would be in a similar role to the Spencer carbine

This is a legit weapon in the Iron Kingdoms setting. An entire squad of rifleman with these guns can put down A LOT of fire

@seronymus

Жыл бұрын

It's also in TF2 Classic

Not to mention the hot powder blasting at your stabilizing hand even when there isn't a chain fire

@theholyduck5520

Жыл бұрын

That's why I thought revolver rifles weren't popular, I didn't actually know about the chain-fire problem.

I use to shoot an old cap and ball pistol with a friend. He would bring a can of crisco to cap the cylinders to avoid a chain reaction

If they just added like an medal disc infront of The revolvers ammo wheel, it would stop The burning gunpowder from going to The shooters hand, and in an event of an chainfire, it would stop The bullets from hitting you hand.

That and lever actions becoming a thing around the same time made em a bit irrelevant.

@JamesW7723

Жыл бұрын

Lever actions were really only common for the cavalry because they were easy to handle while on horseback. But for regular infantry troops who would possibly have to go prone to fight The lever action is not an ideal firearm. And that’s why we adopted the Springfield 1892 then eventually the 1899 model that saw some service in ww1 but mostly in a guard capacity. Some union troops were using cartridge rifles but those were towards the end of the war and only 2 or 3 units actually ever used them.

@ronal8824

Жыл бұрын

both lever actions and revolving rifles were all still very rare just because most regiments did not want to replace there existing muzzle loading rifles

That means no more left hand. "This my hand, there are many like it but this one is mine".

@Mourtzouphlos240

Жыл бұрын

That is exactly what R. Lee Ermy said.

I like to cover the top of the cylinder with a little crisco to prevent this, also makes the revolver smell like fried freedom when it's nice and hot from shooting

I never thought of this ! Great vid

Do one with the history of HEXAGONAL bullets. I did that as an 8th grade history project. Really cool info!

Another problem is the cylinder gap, because even if it didn't cause a chain fire you're still getting your hand and wrist blasted by Hot Gas, so Chainfire and getting your hand blasted by Hot Gas lead to more people holding it kind of like a typical revolver but with a stock.

@Bobatrice

2 жыл бұрын

I've given this about 10 seconds of thought, but why couldn't that be mitigated with a small shield panel on the left side? (please don't smite me Gun Jesus, no hate on lefties)

@kevinoneill41

2 жыл бұрын

Elbow up high

@clonescope2433

Жыл бұрын

​@@Bobatrice because that would redirect the hot gas that would have gone forward back at the other cylinders which could lead to chain fire

I'm a big firearms and history fan and this SUCH an amazing explanation! I never thought about chain fire!

That's why you always seal the chamber end with thick grease. Also lubricates the bore ahead of the ball a ND keeps powder fouling softer.

Even if it doesn't chain fire is because hot gas and slivers of lead leek out the side between the cylinder and the barrel, and it still happens on modern revolvers.

@dddddd4501

2 жыл бұрын

So grab your dominant wrist with your non dominant hand and fire.

@royalsoldierofdrangleic4577

2 жыл бұрын

@@dddddd4501 It would be quite annoying to aim and quite heavy

@dddddd4501

2 жыл бұрын

@@royalsoldierofdrangleic4577 Yeah but it works if nothing else

@DanielSultana

2 жыл бұрын

Not sure about slivers of lead, since the use of full metal jackets, but yeah modern revolvers do release gases from the sides

@dynamicworlds1

2 жыл бұрын

@@DanielSultana could also be steel, brass, or copper depending on the bullet used, but metal fragments are still sometimes thrown out of the gap is the main point, but yes, not always lead anymore.

The revolving rifle wasn't real "a death trap", even in the event of a chainfire, the rounds fired are going to be far slower than the actual barrel. But cylinder gap can be uncomfortable as well as cap fragments near your face. Also the revolving rifle didn't have any faster sustained rate of fire since you had to load all 6 cylinders to reload which took a very long time. (Great for handguns when you need 6 rounds in a pinch, not so much for a battle rifle).

@campbellsoup4322

Жыл бұрын

Wait what had a better rate of fire? A musket?

@colemanmoore9871

Жыл бұрын

@@campbellsoup4322 The revolver will have a faster rate of fire for the first 6 rounds. But a battle will take more than 6. When you take into account reloading time, you don't have any advantage over a single-shot muzzle loader. You just have a more expensive gun that give worse pre round performance. However, these were put to good use in quick raid and ambush situations, where the six rounds might be enough to inflict the needed damage and then get away. Cavalry would have used a weapon like this. Before WWI when cartridge rifles became standard, the first magazine rifles used a tube that took time to load. Many countries didn't like this, because, if you needed more rounds than what could fit in the tube, you had no advantage over a single shot rifle.

@compwiz101

Жыл бұрын

@@colemanmoore9871 An interesting note is even after more modern magazines were designed for repeating rifles, many militaries would include a "magazine cut-off" with the concept that the rifles would be used in single shot mode while the enemy was at range, and then enable the internal magazine when the enemy drew closer and they required rapid fire.

@JonatasAdoM

Жыл бұрын

@@colemanmoore9871 In the scenario of Trench Warfare, revolver rifles/carbines would have changed everything. Even more considering mass produced submachine guns only came very late in the war.

@ronal8824

Жыл бұрын

@@campbellsoup4322 the rifle would have roughly the same reload rate of a normal muzzle loader after the first 6 shots are expended

One of the games I play online has an 1855 revolving shotgun, sporting the same model as it’s real life variant. 5 rounds of pure death.

i know this the complex way but you made it easier to understand to those who don't know

I remember when R. Lee Ermey talked about this gun. I miss that guy :(

@GrantHolmstrom

2 жыл бұрын

Oh was it the Mail Call show?

@someguy8456

2 жыл бұрын

@@GrantHolmstrom It's from lock and load I believe, was a great show

@backwoodsjunkie08

2 жыл бұрын

He was awesome!! I used to watch mail call when I was a teen! Also loved him in saving Silverman

@chasehatchett4756

2 жыл бұрын

Damn now I’m sad

@DigitalApex

2 жыл бұрын

Pneumonia is pretty bad, especially for a man of his age. Gone too soon. Rest in peace, Gunny.

I want a modern version of this- in shiny iron with no wood, i call it The Long Iron

@lotrfam414

2 жыл бұрын

"With a long iron at his hip"

@Erakius323

2 жыл бұрын

@@lotrfam414 A Fallout : New Vegas fan I see? 🎉

@jakobl7469

2 жыл бұрын

@@lotrfam414 texas red, long iron, long iron

I've heard a tip from the old timers who collect these guns: Crisco, all you do is put the Crisco on top of the ball after loading and it prevents such issues. I know that doesn't change history but it does make it safer for collectors and others who want to shoot the gun nowadays.

Lever action rifles were also available during a large portion of the war. They were never issued due to concerns over ammo consumption

Not to mention if you are aiming with the iron sights, it could blow off a part of your face or deafen you.

I was literally thinking about that. Even today with revolver rifles, you really shouldn't put your hand forward of the cylinder in case due to the crap it can throw out and cut your hand up.

@paddyret7968

2 жыл бұрын

You use both hands on the grip.

I think I remember hearing that the proper method for firing this thing involves like putting your hand right before the end of the cylinder so you don’t either scorch or amputate your own extremities, so I guess that would kinda devalue the thing at least a bit

The dual volcanics have a cool reload animation in arsenal

Grease the front and your good, this was always a problem with revolvers too

My buddy has one of these that someone made into a lamp. I've been trying to convince him to replace the barrel, it's the only part that was ruined in the conversion beyond a hole drilled in the stock for the wire

I was listening to Mark Twain's "Roughin' It" on audiobook, and was puzzled by his description of a pepperbox revolver's strange tendencies... "It was a cheerful weapon--the "Allen." Sometimes all its six barrels would go off at once, and then there was no safe place in all the region round about, but behind it.” Now it finally makes sense.

"big iron on his hip"

"This is my left hand. There are many like it but this one is mine." - R. Lee Ermey

Another problem is that even when their wasn't a chain-fire, a bit of the explosion would still leak out of the gap between the cylinder and the barrel, which was no fun for body-parts near said gap.

That's why they would use tallow plugs. You put tallow in each chamber after you load it. Only enough tallow to keep chain fire from happening. It would also plug the Chambers enough so the ball and powder wouldn't fall out when barrel down or holstered.

I say that in a museum a few months back seeing this was awesome I had never thought that was possible or was done.

Also known as the dreaded cylinder cook-off!

@kevinoneill41

2 жыл бұрын

Yes the cylinder was so hot the cartridges went off on their own 😱

Chain fire is uncommon if loaded correctly, away to minimize chain fire was to but wax on top of the round ball to fully seal the pound from hiring sparks, although during war most solders didn’t have time to reload with that added step so they had a significant more amount of chain fires,

U got a good history channel my man. 👍

Even with modern cartridges it's still dangerous. You just don't put your hand there.

@dr.pewpew2619

2 жыл бұрын

So, how do you hold the foregrip if you "don't put your hand there"?

@Eb0nK1ngG4mes

2 жыл бұрын

@@dr.pewpew2619 You don't.

@pauloazuela8488

2 жыл бұрын

Also we tend to use the whatever foresight it had if it's rifle so not a good idea either if it explodes near your eyes XD

I heard that a good rifle was delayed on the union side what was that and why?

@warweasel2832

2 жыл бұрын

Most repeating designs were sabotaged by James Wolfe Ripely because he considered them unreliable distractions from good old fashioned musket production. Even things like the Sharps breechloading rifle had to be railroaded past him in order to get to the sharpshooter regiments.

@Fyrebrand18

2 жыл бұрын

Wasn’t there also a doctrinal problem? I remember reading somewhere that the Union at the time had the industrial capacity to equip all its troops with repeater rifles but the military higher ups were against it because and I’m paraphrasing “Giving your soldiers multiple shots will make them waste ammunition where as giving them a single shot musket will teach them to make their shots count.”

@warweasel2832

2 жыл бұрын

@@Fyrebrand18 That didn't even change until halfway through ww1. Most nations still had magazine cutoffs on their weapons until they realized how dumb that actually is.

@gc6096

2 жыл бұрын

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@tylerrobbins8311

2 жыл бұрын

Cost it was mainly cost. Also it hurt them south more since they would capture most if the equipment in battle. It wasn't until Custer that they north started winning they got absolutely demolished for most if the war.

There were well known workarounds for chain fire. The actual answer is probably that muzzleloaders were cheaper and with a largely conscript army, they didn't trust their rifleman to choose wisely when it came to shot selection. So, it was also about not wasting ammunition.

Im surprised you didn’t mention the nightmare that is the porter turn rifle

Cap & ball torture

Saw this on Lock 'N Load with the late R. Lee Ermy, "This is my left hand, there are many like it but this one is MINE!"

Colt went "Great ide- OH NO"

To be entirely fair, they made a new one when cartridges came out. But that was quickly overshadowed by Lever actions.

I was literally explaining this to my roommate and I got recommended this lol. They're listening 🤣

I've literally been wondering this for years, I knew there must've been a good reason but couldn't think of anything

@ds6872

2 жыл бұрын

Another good point is that the frame on the rifle is extremely weak. There isn't much metal on the top and bottom strap so any sideways pressure can literally bend the rifle

@thewerepyreking

2 жыл бұрын

The main reason is actually that replacing an entire army's small arms arsenal is expensive and this gun came out shortly before the war

"Ahhhh u looks so good" Lol

With the advent of center fire ammo , and blast shields, like those used on the Taurus circuit judge, makes this viable, and fun to shoot.

Chain fire is something to see firsthand. Seen it once and was really something 😳

The cap and ball revolver rifle is like Amber Heard, both are beautiful but very dangerous

@brianfitch5469

2 жыл бұрын

And both take a crap on you.

@rigatonithetiger9986

2 жыл бұрын

@@brianfitch5469 and both will take off your fingers when you least expect it.

@dvdjhp

2 жыл бұрын

@@rigatonithetiger9986 Jeezus lol

@fkv1ncecuh145

2 жыл бұрын

@Raylan Givens yep I can agree with that, but I'd rather use a cheap hunting rifle if I were you, that .22 be hitting different

Hand disappearing was quite a bad glitch with these

The issues with revolving rifkes were the save as revolving pistols. They took way longer to reload than a single shot muzzle loader and the only alternative was to carry extra loaded cynilders but they werent exactly super quick to swap out either. The arrival of standardized brass cartridges at the end of the war truly brought in repeating firearms to the military front.

@wargey3431

4 ай бұрын

Germany already had the needle gun as a repeating rifle By 1866 britain is using the snider Enfield both of which are better designs for infantry than the lever action repeater although arguably inferior to cavalry hence why British cavalry were issued pistols and carbines Revolvers using the brass cartridge would have been a much superior design to the Henry until the fouling caused them to jam

Having fired cap and ball revolvers, a proper fitting round will seal your chambers and avoid a chain fire perfectly fine.

@chasehatchett4756

2 жыл бұрын

True but the tolerances needed were really difficult to achieve back in the 1860’s

@kevinoneill41

2 жыл бұрын

Don't count on it. Grease your wheel.

But did they fire five shots or six?

@Nakamax.

2 жыл бұрын

Yes its just a revolver but longer

@aidenlakata7662

2 жыл бұрын

@@Nakamax. okay but did it fire 5 or 6?

@JM-zz3vs

2 жыл бұрын

@@aidenlakata7662 just 1 shot, it’s a revolver

@aidenlakata7662

2 жыл бұрын

@@JM-zz3vs um revolvers tend to have a 6 shot cylinder, sometimes 5 or even up to 8. So I ask again 5 or 6?

@timslack7568

2 жыл бұрын

@@aidenlakata7662 it fired 1

My man using a Seville picture on the back

I swear I've seen this damn thing in every discussion on the subject ever.

False on the cylinder wall thing they’ve proved chain fires happens from loose percussion caps. Berdan sharpshooters had them and the mounted rifles did too but once your done 6 rounds that’s it takes forever to reload and they never thought to have multiple interchangeable cylinders

Ugh, the things said by those who know next to nothing about guns. Chain fire only happened when the chambers weren't greased after being loaded.

@nipplecream3099

2 жыл бұрын

and you think soldiers were gonna consistently grease the chambers in combat? not worth it

Looks like i have a new favorite firearm. Well, second favorite, my favorite one is the colt army model 1860

My dad always kept a tin of beeswax whenever he shot his revolver. He would smear the open end of the cylinders with it to prevent a chain fire.

Early lever action rifles were developed during the war, with brass casings like modern rifles. As my history teacher explained, the government basically said "nah" because they are afraid that soldiers would be more likely to shoot wildly rather than take careful aim, thus drastically increasing the budget for ammunition

One of the other things was the pressure that came out the sides of the cylinder. That hurts a lot if your arm is close enough to it. Thats why a lot of pictures of soldiers show them holding it from behind the cylinder, so their arms dont get burned

The Taurus/Rossi Circuit Judge is kind of a modernized version in 45LC-410. It actually has a spark shield that prevents burning your support arm from the gunpowder that escapes the gap between the cyl and breech during normal firing. My bf bought me a black one with a synthetic thumbhole stock that looked like a tactical civil war carbine, it even had a picatinny rail on the forend! Lol

As someone who is an avid black powder shooter and owns 5 different black powder firearms along with one of these. It was common practice to put grease or wax on the front of each cylinder to stop it from chain firing. But for the price of one of those you could have two regular revolvers made so they weren’t common and mainly used for Special purposes are special units and were mainly sold to the civilian populace.

I wonder why they did not make rifle revolvers after cartridges we’re made

@pjpraz9843

Жыл бұрын

because it’s stupid dumb butt Think about it why would you use revolving technology if you have magazines and clips! Revolving technology was in the past

@eksbocks9438

11 ай бұрын

They did. But I think it got overshadowed by the Winchester Rifle.

the rifle boutta turn you into swiss cheese

Fun fact about cap and ball rounds to prevent a miss fire or chain fire use grease like lard or bees wax to prevent a chain fire the grease goes in over the ball

I just wish revolving rifles were more common in modern day, they look so cool