*Table of Contents: * - Intro [0:00] 1. go up and down the table for the 8 in the side [0:47] 2. go up and down the table for the 8 in the lower corner [1:42] 3. use outside spin off four rails for the 8 in the lower corner [2:30] 4. use outside spin off three rails for the 8 in the upper corner [3:19] 5. use outside spin off three rails for the 8 in the side [3:34] 6. use lots of inside to go two rails for the 8 in the side [3:55] 7. use a touch of inside for the 8 in the upper corner [4:38] 8. use a little inside to bump the 8 toward the lower corner [4:54] 9. use more inside to go two rails for the 8 in the upper corner [6:08] 10. use even more inside to go two rails to bump the 8 [6:42] 11. use lots of inside to go off two rails to hold for the 8 in the lower corner [7:12] 12. kick the 7 to the bottom corner [7:37] 13. kick the 7 to the right side [7:51] 14. kick the 7 safe [8:12] 15. bank the 7 safe [8:32] 16. carom off one rail into the 9 [8:44] 17. carom off two rails into the 9 [9:37] 18. kick off two rails and carom into the 9 [9:50] 19. bank the 7 toward the 9 [10:06] 20. bank the 7 two rails toward the 9 [10:23] 21. double-kiss herd the 7 into the corner [10:47] 22-32. crazy options [11:00] 33. the craziest option: double kiss the CB off one rail to pocket the 9 [13:00] - Wrap Up [13:27] ---- answer to question: Why Did Efren Do That? [13:49] ---- shot montage [14:33] *Supporting Resources: * - previous "Top10 Efren Reyes Most Famous Shots" video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/iGWX3Lepac6Yhc4.html - “TOP 10 EFREN REYES FAMOUS SHOTS ... And How to Shoot Them: kzread.info/dash/bejne/iGWX3Lepac6Yhc4.html - source video for original Efren shot: kzread.info/dash/bejne/e6OXutSsp7K7YdI.html - video collections of famous pool shots by Efren and others: billiards.colostate.edu/videos/pool-shots/ - Efren "The GOAT is my hero" Reyes T-shirt and other merchandise: drdavebilliardtshirts.com/product-category/humor/goat-hero/ - Efren "I Got Lucky" Reyes T-shirt and other merchandise: drdavebilliardtshirts.com/product-category/humor/efren-lucky/ - System for Aiming With Sidespin (SAWS): drdavebilliards.com/videos/saws/ - video collections of famous pool shots by Efren and others: billiards.colostate.edu/videos/pool-shots/ - "What Would You Do Here?" video playlist: kzread.info/head/PLH9d4KFY28XseXlEzFOvomJvaX3uIx5sG

@LilChrisPoolPlayer

3 жыл бұрын

Just curious, out of 33 options, what was the average number of attempts on each option?

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

@@LilChrisPoolPlayer I should have kept track, but I didn't. Many of the early options were fairly easy and only took several attempts, and many of the ridiculous shots (22-33) were flukes from when I was trying to do something else, so they only took 1 each. I would guess that I took 250-300 shots during the entire filming session, so that would put the overall average at about 7-9 attempts per shot option. Now, if I were to try to recreate shots 22-33 on purpose, it might take thousands of attempts.

@wayneetnagarf3397

3 жыл бұрын

play pro pool as you have discovered bata's techniques.... it may make sense to make pool games interesting once more.... join as to show more .....

I mean the fact that Efren left the chalk right on the rail to visualize where the cue ball landed... and that Efren is the greatest to ever play the game... I think he meant to hit that exact shot. Pure genius.

I think a lot of us before shooting think “What would Efren do?” and for me the answer is always “oh i forgot Im not Efren” haha

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

That's a good way to think, because "What Efren Would Do" is not always the best choice for mere mortals.

Everyone: "Why did Efren do that?" Efren: "Cause I'm Efren!"

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

or ... Efren: "Because it was the right thing to do. Isn't it obvious after Dr. Dave's thorough analysis?" :)

@oldarpanet

3 жыл бұрын

@@DrDaveBilliards I suspect that when you ask Efren, He'll scratch his head, get a little wry smile on his face and say "I just got lucky..." ;-)

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

@@oldarpanet You're probably right.

@SemperVictor1120

3 жыл бұрын

because he can.. and he's a showman... here in the Ph if he is way ahead of his opponent, expect an intermission shot

The next time I sink a crazy "hit and hope" shot, I'll just tell everyone it was the 32nd of 33 options I had evaluated for the shot!

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

I like it. And if you make it, be sure to say: "Nothin' but net."

Thank you for acknowledging him as The GOAT. Also Thank you for all the vids you make it really helps alot

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

Efren is without a doubt the undisputed GOAT, and I doubt that will change in the future. I'm glad you like my stuff.

during a match, under pressure, with audience, all this work is not what’s on your mind at all. You go with the shot that you see and feel mist confident about. Thanks for sharing.

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

You don't think Efren thinks through various possibilities during the long time he takes to make his decision at the 13:28 point in the video??? Regardless, in the end, when he is ready to shoot, he is goes into automatic mode after having chose the option that feels best in the moment.

Obvious answer: Efren Reyes is a billiard genius, and we are mere mortals.

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

No question. Well stated.

@kurtkensson2059

3 жыл бұрын

@@DrDaveBilliards I was trying to think of suitable analogies. It's like Efren is a long haul trucker, and I'm just a passenger on a short bus. 🤔

13:00 Efren: "You have learned well, my young padawan!"

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

Nothin' but net! :)

Dr. Dave, you have alot of videos that show your brilliance, but I think this one takes the cake imo. Great job, and as always, fantastic explanation.

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks. I'm glad you liked it.

Wow Magic Amazing Nice Thanks For Sharing

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

You're Welcome

Very good analysis and showing all the probabilities. 👍

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks.

Thanks Dr. Dave for your hard work on making these videos and your time too

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

You're welcome. I aim to swerve. :) I really enjoyed making this one, and it gave me lots of excellent practice. And now I better understand why Efren did what he did.

This would be a really cool video series! Do other great shots that professionals have made, whether they make it, get position on a ball, or just break out a problem ball. It would be incredible to see all the different options that they likely considered prior to taking the shot! Great stuff, as always, keep up the good work!

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

I do plan to do more like this in the future.

After hitting the ball Efren shows with his cue stick the place where the next ball comes. A real GOAT.

@DrDaveBilliards

5 ай бұрын

The GOAT knows!

Thanks for posting. That shot has always perplexed me.

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

I thought his choice was odd at first also, but I now better appreciate it.

You're so creative, and thank u Dr. for your knowledge, I really want to practice these shots...

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

Everybody should practice these (especially shots 1-21). They offer many lessons.

I literally laughed out loud when Dr Dave said, “nothing but net” on the last shot. So funny!

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

I'm glad to hear I helped create a little joy in 2020.

Excellent video. Option 33 👌

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks. Nothin' but net.

@TheSnooker1984

3 жыл бұрын

@@DrDaveBilliards and I see that you're using the taom pyro chalk, kudos

Excellent video

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks. I’m glad you liked it.

Bravo Dr.Dave. Thanks fr. Manila.

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, and you're welcome.

Great video Dr. Dave

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks.

Thanks Dr Dave

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

You're welcome. I aim to swerve. :)

Another awesome job.

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks.

Enjoyed it, thank you. Check out Efren's cue pointing pre and post shot.

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

I'm glad you liked it. You are right ... Efren's pointing before (and sometimes after) the shot is useful to help figure out some of his thinking.

Holy Crap, this is a fantastic channel!!! Shame I didnt find it sooner.

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

Enjoy my library of videos. There are currently 400+ videos for you to catch up on: kzread.infovideos Also be sure to subscribe so you don't miss future stuff.

Now I'm amazed with shots.

Dr. Dave is not bored at all!

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

Nope. This COVID thing has forced me to get lots of quality pool time at home.

Nice video.

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks.

He like to show off that's why he grate. I love his (cross corner banking) shot if you can do demonstrate he's shot's am glade to watch that.

Nothing but net! Nicely done sir.

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

I'm glad you liked it, and I'm glad you had the patience to watch the video to that point. Not everybody does.

@loooga18

3 жыл бұрын

@@DrDaveBilliardsI like all your videos and there is so much to learn. I am an average player and willing to learn. I play about once a week 2 if my commander in chief (wife) lets me. I'll take what I learned from the good players and videos like yours and try to emulate. And thank you for all you do for this community.

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

I'm glad you like my stuff. Good luck with your game.

It's always easy to do hindsight. But the true test of skills and knowledge is displayed during the game. Efren has done so many great shots where nobody knew that there are that kind of shot until Efren showed them to us.

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Well stated.

1. The original layout in Efren's match, he was playing against CJ Wiley and it was the 6, 7, 9 left on the table. Efren js a very skilled Carom player and I believe he intended to carommthe cueball into the 7 so to take away the risk of the cueball getting a big bounce off the rail and scratching on the lower right corner, plus he already knew that he has a big percentage of having an easy shot on the 7 afterwards to get out of the rack. Also, the 6 was a little closer to head rail which made the cut shot much. Finaly, the match was on the PBT and they were using Simonis 860 cloth on the tables, since the Simonis Cloth was already available on the markrt and being used in pro tournaments since the very kate 1980's / early 1990's. Still a very good video though and well put together and so, definitely a thumbs up from me 😎👍🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

By the "7," you must mean the "8." You are right though ... I used the 7, 8, 9 instead of the 6, 8, 9 since the numbers didn't really matter ... on the order. As I stated during my wrap-up summary, you might be right about Efren wanting to head into the 8 since there were so many other good things that could happen. Thanks for the info about the cloth. Regardless, the conditions of his table looked a slower than my new Simonis 860HR.

Only the GOAT can answer this......i hope someone can interview him....

@onnyt60

3 жыл бұрын

Hard to understand what he's saying.

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

Obviously, it would be great if Efren could explain it himself, but I am fairly confident why my explanation at the end of the video here: answer to the question: Why Did Efren Do That? [13:49] As you would expect, he made the right choice, and for many good reasons.

Making that particular cut shot would have to be about the only thing on my mind or I would probably miss the shot, If i were to start thinking too much about the leave on the 8 the chances of me missing would go up proportional to the amount of time i thought about it, with only the 2 balls left I'd have to rely on making another just as tough shot for the 8 if didn't get a bit of luck. Efren is awesome but he also got lucky, i think this shot was a tad on the lucky side for him. But when your the greatest you get to count all those luck shots as pure skill. IMO of course. Another good video Doc! and thats alot of options

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

At first I thought Efren was crazy for the shot he chose since Option 1 is so obviously a good choice; but now I think his choice was very smart, per the info in my summary here: answer to the question: Why Did Efren Do That? [13:49]

@jamesdavis8731

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely he got lucky on this shot. There was no good reason to play the shot the way it was played and I can almost guarantee that if you asked Efren he would say the same thing. I see Efren from time to time here in Makati. I am going to show him this video and ask him if he remembers why he chose that option. There would be no real good reason to attempt to come off the short rail with right hand spin and hit the eight ball. He could have easily screwed that whole thing up by making the seven ball harder to pocket or hitting the eight and getting bad on it. With his skill level going up and down was BY FAR the best and safest option. The speed control would not have been an issue. If he hit it too hard he has a fairly easy shot into the lower right corner. If he hits the shot too soft he has a fairly easy shot into the upper right corner. If he hits it somewhere in the middle he still has a fairly easy shot (and position after the shot) in the side pocket. Sometimes great players just try to do too much with the cue ball. It worked for Efren this time but I doubt he would attempt this shot the same way again.

@jamesdavis8731

3 жыл бұрын

@@DrDaveBilliards why would taking a shot that was totally unnecessary be a smart choice? That statement literally makes no sense. As I mentioned in another post, when I see Efren I will ask him if he remembers this and if thinks he would still attempt that shot the same way. I have a strong feeling he will say no.

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamesdavis8731 That's what I thought at first, but the experience of doing this video changed my mind a little per my summary starting at the 13:28 point.

@MarsMatters

Жыл бұрын

​@@jamesdavis8731 Something I think you might not be considering is that, for players at that level, adding some sidespin doesn't decrease the chances of making the ball by very much at all. Assume his chances of making the shot are 99% with no spin, and his chances of making it with spin is 98%. But his chances of getting safe is he misses are 1% with no spin, and 90% with spin, you can calculate that his chances of selling out from that position go from 1/99 to 1/450. With such a difference, you can see how even if you change the percentages a bit the shot would still make sense. For example, if his odds of making the shot with no spin were 99% and with spin 95%, but we assume the same odds as before for getting safe, the odds of selling out become essentially 1/100 vs 1/200. It's the insane accuracy with and without spin that allows for these kinds of calculations, which may seem strange to an average player whose chance of missing goes up significantly with spin. Honestly though, even for an average player who will be 75% likely to make it without spin and 25% likely to make it with spin, getting safe if you miss 90% of the time still makes it a much better shot for the same reason.

Him playing that the way he did was such a subtle flex. 😂😂 literally the first 2 options you listed were OBVIOUSLY the easiest way to play this and had such a large margin for error. Efren might be the only human being to play that shot like that 😂

Amazing video with different shot options. Could you do the same for the famous Z shot of Efren? Thanks ahead.

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

There were no reasonable options with the Z shot, other than what Efren did. That was a tough situation. FYI, I cover the Z shot in this video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/iGWX3Lepac6Yhc4.html

@cebuanoninoy

3 жыл бұрын

@@DrDaveBilliards Thanks for your reply. Yeah, I saw that one already before you posted this one. You maybe right, that could be the only reasonable option for Efren to take. And Efren taking an unusually longer time to go to that option with his ridiculous reservoir of mental database of every angle and nuances on a pool table on kicking, makes you think that could be the best option perhaps even after all these years.

I think the reason Reyes made the shot he did was to make two balls with one shot to show off. He in fact has made a lot of very difficult and crazy shots to show off his abilities. Like banking a shot when he an easy shot with the cue ball right behind the object ball in a corner pocket. I have seen him go all the way down the opposite corner and make the ball with a bank shot

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

He only made one ball, but he did get shape on the 8. Is that what you meant?

That was great, thanks for that. I was waiting to see, from our p.o.v., a ball going into the bottom right pocket. If Efren had had more force on that collision do you think it possible to have driven the eight toward or into that pocket?

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

The 7-8 combo into the lower-right corner is definitely a possibility. I tried to pull this off during filming, but I gave up after a while. If I had made it, the video would have had 34 shots instead of 33.

@g18886

3 жыл бұрын

I've watched Efren play a lot and he has a tendency to run into or nudge the next ball he is planning to make. Sometimes it gets him in trouble when he doesn't quite get the right hit on the next ball and leaves the cue in an awkward position. I believe the shot he made is exactly what he wanted to do.

@rogerscottcathey

3 жыл бұрын

@@g18886 : A recent video of him clear ing table after tablevwithvnotbavsingleverror indicates to me he was still recovering from his eye surgery four and a half to 5 years after it. Eye surgery is a traumatic event. No less dramatic than a car accident though much subtler seen from the outside. As for his best play, whichI personally witnessed, none of those faults you found bwere ever noted, and his eyesite problems, his trick elbow and bursitis were creeping in in all recorded games. Talk to those of us who saw him in his Prime . . He was from that era deservedly termed the Paul Morphy of billiards.

Excellent video. Would have liked to have known how many shots it took on each shot. Also I wonder how long it took to come up with the shots. Still an excellent video.

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

I'm glad you liked it. The early options with no sidespin were easy (only a few attempts), The options requiring sidespin were tougher, especially if the ones with lots of sidespin (5-10 attempts). Options 12-21 took many attempts each (up to 20). Options 22-33 were mostly flukes that came for "free" when I was attempting other things.

Shooting the ball the way he shot it adds a level of security to the object ball. If you cut the ball with inside the induced throw causes the cut shot to react like it's a fuller cut and you hit the rail before the pocket. Also the induced English applied to the object ball allows the ball to spin in the pocket after hitting the rail, cinching the shot. And the cue ball dies after contact. Efren constantly uses soft spin in his shooting, it's more noticeable if you watch him play live.

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

The use of inside has many potential benefits. See: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/sidespin/inside/

@sysko1979

3 жыл бұрын

Inside English also helped with the dreaded olhaussen cut pockets that were notorious for rejecting balls.

Very nice video.. and I don’t even play

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks. I don't play either, compared to Efren. :)

Efren Bata Reyes is the GOAT and he made this shot because it was easy for him. Everything else is just talk. Efren does not talk much, he just does the walk.

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

As expected of the GOAT, he made the shot and got shape on the 8. That's all that matters. But it is still interesting to think about all the things that affected his decision making. He thought about this shot a long time before deciding (see the 13:28 point).

That was a calculated shot on 8 ,aside from pocketing 7 , to pocket 8 much easier which wasn’t easy ( for other players, that’s too risky ). The best option, I think, and that’s the genius of Efren.

wow dave. How long did it take you to make this vid? Wondering how many attempts each shot takes you etc : ) Cheers / regards from Spain.

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

The filming took about 3 hours. The editing, narration, and production took about 8 hours. The early options took only several shots. Many of the crazy options were flukes while attempting other things. The reasonable but difficult shot options took 5-15 tries on average.

Good

Nothing but net ... Haha you are 1 crazy doc man

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

Crazy good or crazy bad? :)

Dave, listen... No matter, how "GOAT" Efren is, I am confident and insanely believe that ONLY IF EFREN SEES YOUR WORK like this, he surely will hand you over his "priced" cuestick n removes his "hat" and say: Dave, you have the most brilliant pool shots analysis that have ever existed OF ALL TIME!! Truly magnificent and "he who has the most cleanest and clearest demo" ever filmed this era!!🎩🎩🎩!🔥🔥🔥

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks a bunch! I appreciate it.

My guess is, because he felt comfortable getting a thin hit without skidding (I love this type of shot for precisely this reason), and because it gives him multiple options getting on the 8 bumping it or passing by it on either side - once he makes the 6 with inside, chances of not getting position on the 8 are pretty much nil.

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't say "pretty much nil," but as I summarize starting at the 13:38 point in the video, many good things could have happened.

Hey Dave on the first shot, what do you mean by “hit it on the pro side”? Like hit it thicker?

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

With a thin cut like this, hitting "on the pro side" means favor it on the thin side so if you do miss it, you miss it by cutting it too much, where the OB will bounce off the side rail toward the end rail, where you might leave your opponent tough.

You forgot to show us how to shoot the cueball into the ceiling, then make all three balls

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

Nothin' but net. :)

Any plans to do this level of analysis on Efren's shot in his 2000 straight pool match vs Sigel where Efren banked the 3-ball cross-sides then the cue ball went up the table then down under the rack to break it? Might be fun.

@DrDaveBilliards

11 ай бұрын

Agreed. That was a great, creative, and effective shot. There weren't many other options, but most players would not have been brave enough to attempt it. It is one of the shots I included in my Efren Tribute video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/hIWF1qaCp6aspto.html

Maybe some insight....at [13:46] you can watch him place his cue on the table looking at the angle between the eight and cushion and the speed with which he shoots this would have been perfect if not for the contact. My bet is that it was a 2 way shot. We'll never know without asking, but I saw that little aiming.

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

I agree that he was probably trying to do Option 9 at 6:08 as. Two-way shot, but he also probably knew that being off a little with the CB direction was not likely to hurt him too much.

He made a two way shot. If he misses, the cue ball would be on right side...ball on the rail to the left of cue ball. It is a standard rotation tactic. It is also simple for him.

@DrDaveBilliards

10 ай бұрын

Well stated.

"Nothing but net" haha classic Well done! How many shots do you think you took on this video? We know 33 for sure haha 😄

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

I should have kept track. The early shots went fairly well, and many of the later shots were just flukes when I was trying to do other things. I would estimate my total number of shots during filming to be about 250.

As long as I can remember, I think I’ve faced this situation before and I rarely pocket the ball this way, I guess.

I think it has to do about the “feel” for the shot. When I play I usually don’t want the cue ball to travel on the table as what he did, to kill the cue ball. Indeed he gambled to hit the 8 ball on the correct side and it paid off. He must be very loose that night. When you are having a good night, most of your shots are instinctive, as what he did here. I watched the full match. He never second-guessed his shot selection.

@DrDaveBilliards

2 жыл бұрын

Most players would not have chosen that shot (even if it "felt right"), but most players are not Efren.

@gumaming

2 жыл бұрын

@@DrDaveBilliards I agree. I’ve also watched Strickland on his best days and he’s a machine. He would have chosen your shot since he does not put a lot of english on the cue ball unless it’s necessary.

because he is Efren Reyes........................................................................

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

No question.

the strategies are different when in actual pro match where there is much pressure. people are just unique and have different problem solving abilities.

He did it because he can

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

... and because it was a smart play, per the info here: answer to the question: Why Did Efren Do That? [13:49]

I think it was a lapse in judgment. But who am I to question the goat.

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

I originally thought he should have selected shot option; but, as you would expect, what he chose is actually brilliant per the info here: answer to the question: Why Did Efren Do That? [13:49]

Being that he also plays billiards, it wouldn't surprise me that he intuitively intended to hit that 8 ball. Also he maybe intuitively did not want to hit the 7 too heavy, so he "relied" on cue ball squirt or deflection to insure he hit the 7 thin enough, and if he hit it too thin, the right spin would help the 7 toward the pocket...

@DrDaveBilliards

2 жыл бұрын

Efren intuitively intends to do more stuff than most people. He GOaT lucky!

I think that he went by 'feel'. He is that kind of player and most of the time his gut steers him in the right direction.

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

He always relies on feel, but he certainly put a lot of thought into planning this shot. See the 13:38 point in the video.

answer: magic and balls of steel... 😎

you know what what he did is really good even if the 7 wouldn't go in it bounce back at middle of top top.pocket which is also a hard shot for the nxt player shot because the cue is on the back of the 8... understand

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. Option 9 at 6:08 is a good two-way shot.

In tournament you dont have to think 33 times for only one particular shot..adding the pressures you get from every difficult situation your brain will get drained rapidly

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

Many of the 33 options were just for fun some were just flukes. But did you see how long Efren thought about this shot before shooting, starting at the 13:27 point in the video? I am sure he considered many options, including at least options 1-11 in this video.

Have you ever done a video on the subject of practical accuracy vs cue ball speed and english? No table is perfect, and even the slightest imperfection affects slow rolls much more than fast ones. I've also known old-timers who excessively use draw on nearly every shot, because it gives them more absolute control over the travel of the cue ball. Any comments on those things?

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

I haven't really "studied" these things, but some things are obvious: - a slow-rolling ball can be affected by a non-level table and dirt on the cloth. - beyond a certain speed (depends on the person), stroke accuracy typically goes down. - using stun and draw to minimize CB motion offers better control of CB position.

With the way Efren approached the 8ball before making the shot, i still believe he intended the shot as it was.

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

He could have thinking of several of the options at that point. I think he probably meant to go past the 8 as I describe at the 6:08 point.

@rap3208

Жыл бұрын

@@DrDaveBilliards Judging from his reaction, it looked like he intended the shot the way he meant to be.

@DrDaveBilliards

Жыл бұрын

@@rap3208 That is certainly possible, but only Efren knows.

I think Efren's main thinking is... on a thin cut the object ball won't go far from the pocket if you miss. If it doesn't hang, it will probably bounce away only like a diamond or less. Leaving the CB on the right side of the table leaves an impossibly thin cut. Leaving it in the center or left sells out. pad.chalkysticks.com/82cbe.png

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

Good point. That adds to the two-way feature of the inside spin approaches, especially if you miss on the "pro side" (over cut), where the 7 will have a better chance to end up bad for your opponent.

Remember its a far target for a thin cut shot. Most of the billiard champs is afraid to gamble for that shot. Bank shot has a more possibility to make it in.

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

Are you saying a bank shot is easier than the thin cut with this shot? If so, I strongly disagree. Try them both yourself.

What tip do you use?

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

Triangle.

@dukesmith8097

3 жыл бұрын

DrDaveBilliards it’s triangle soft? Thank you for your great job!

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

It is regular Triangle, which is a little on the hard side. You're welcome. I aim to swerve. :)

Only Efren can answer your query, after all he made it easy though. He did not go for combo as it is risky. For exhibition game one of your other options may be applicable!

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Many of my later options (especially 22-33) were not realistic options. I just wanted to include everything possible (including some of my flukes). However, I suspect Efren did consider many of the other options (especially 1-11). Did you see how long it took him to decide how to shoot the shot? Much longer than normal.

The last six or so shots looked like they were shot then narrated. Ya I tried that?really great pool tutorials just thought a few shots were flukes

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

Shots 28-33 were definitely "flukes," but I thought they were fun to include anyway.

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

I hate to need to reproduce any of those, especially shot 33, which might take over a 1000 attempts (or more) to recreate.

@tysongonsorowski8574

3 жыл бұрын

Holy cow I feel honered to get a reply your pool tutorials have changed how I look at pool and how I play. One thing that really stood out is how the balls are like gears meshing and spin is transferred. I never knew that and now see how it affects shots so much. It has really helped reverse angle banks. Thanks again!

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

@@tysongonsorowski8574 I’m glad to hear it. Continued good luck with your game!

He just show that there are more options, not just 33.

It looks like you have the 8 ball slightly further away from the rail than it was for Efren, making the side shot option a little easier - maybe that's just optics. But still I'm surprised Efren used that much spin, unless he was trying your 6th shot.

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

That's possible, but I did try to position the balls as closely as possible, using the views available in the original video. Regardless, I don't think the difference is significant in terms of strategy.

Efren should've played option 33.... I don't know what he was thinking

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Then he could have said his famous saying: "I Got Lucky" teespring.com/efren-i-got-lucky-pool?tsmac=store&tsmic=dr-dave-billiards&pid=2&cid=573

I think he played 2 way. If he over cuts he leaves the cueball behind the 8

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

It was more like a 5-way shot. See the discussion starting at the 13:38 point.

Efren is a master...of..putting the Q where he want. .

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. The undisputed GOAT.

The shot Efren took showed how men are separated from boys.

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

The GOAT is very manyly.

Efren forever

Efren is just Efren. We’ll just leave it there, no need to explain😜

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

He just got lucky. :)

Why did Efren do it? Because he is one of the best shot makers in the world.

I would assume pros maneuver for the type of positioning/shots they feel they can most reliably achieve, regardless of what the objective "best" or "easiest" shot may be.

all this talk about what or would have makes all of our head hurts it would be better if we ask the man himself ☺️☺️

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

If you or anybody else can get an answer from him, please post it.

1. given his snooker background, i noticed that in his game he always likes to get closer to the next ball, and really his biggest perk is that he's never scared of getting into bad positions since he's the magician 2. it's easier to pocket with inside for this shot 3. it's easier to miss on the pro side with inside (again related to snooker safeties) 4. it's easier to not foul with inside 5. think there's an old match and he used outside on a similar shot but that ball was further away from the rail and also he's younger back then (see 37:50 in kzread.info/dash/bejne/d2yGqJOpft3WXdo.html)

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

Good points, and thanks for the link. That outside shot had no 3rd ball to allow for two-way shot opportunities, but it is still interesting that he chose outside.

@theodorehui

3 жыл бұрын

@@DrDaveBilliards oh yeah exactly and welcome. What I was trying to show was I believe he's not afraid of scratching and also not too worried about position and that's why he chose inside over outside for the shot in your video. (That outside shot if he used inside, he might scratch or end up on the opposite side of the table and turned the 9 into a tougher shot I believe.)

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

@@theodorehui Good points.

Maybe his one pocket was a factor and was just a more natural shot for him.

@DrDaveBilliards

2 жыл бұрын

Yep. You always need to go with what feels like the right shot in the moment.

Because the table that Efren played was way slower than modern tables

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't say "way slower," but it was definitely not as fast as a Diamond with Simonis 760 (which is even faster than my Olhausen with Simonis 860HR).

IMHO the table cloth back at that time is no where close to these days, by that I mean the speed, friction, moisture absorb rate is way different. The old Brunswick table old in my local pool hall even it's fairly new is different then let's say a diamond table AKA simmons cloth, and you can tell by the speed of the ball in those old videos, I think that may makes quiet but difference to the top rated players.

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Efren had a much better chance to hold the CB (if he so desired) compared to what I was able to do on my faster table.

I would contest your last comment that efron often comes up with options that others to do not consider and is usually right. I have watched a lot of efron videos and is virtually always taking the highest percentage shot.

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

I agree that Efren is "usually right" (by choosing the "highest percentage" shots), but his creativity in finding some of those shots, and his ability to execute them to perfection, is what makes him special.

The most interesting shot is #15 🤪

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

I liked that one too.

so much envy, It was Efren Reyes! why question his ability to make the shots. compete and win a competition first and be known to the world as a great player before you could even suspect Efren's ability.

Basically a video on how to overthink a shot

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

It is ridiculous to think somebody would actually consider all the crazy options (especially 21-33). I just did those for fun. But I guarantee any good player considers all the realistic options (at least 1-11) and chooses the one with the best chances of success.

In the real match all of these 33 options are very difficult specially the cut is not easy 😂

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed.

Because he is "the magician"

Better commentator than player.? But, Efren is always 5 to 8 shots ahead

I sent a note to Cesar Morales and asked if he could get the answer.

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I hope you get a reply. ... unless you are just joking; if so, ha ha.

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

Freddie, do you agree with my "answers" at 6:08 and 13:28?

@freddieagnir3138

3 жыл бұрын

@@DrDaveBilliards - Cesar said he would ask Efren, but he also said he wouldn’t be surprised if Efren tried to bump the 8-ball. I doubt it.

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

@@freddieagnir3138 The younger "Cesar" might have shot it differently. The current older and wiser Efren might also shoot it differently. And I am sure it would depend on the mood at the time, for both personas.

@freddieagnir3138

3 жыл бұрын

@@DrDaveBilliards - in case there is any miscommunication, Cesar Morales, Efren’s lifelong friend, actually exists and is on Facebook.

I think the video is lacking doc. Before he shot it, he pointed his cue somewhere where he imagined where the eight ball would end up.

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

He was looking at and thinking about all sorts of things as he was planning the shot. Check out my summary at the end of the video starting at the 13:28 point. He might have been visualizing where the CB would end up if he went past the 8 and missed the 7 (for a two-way shot). Only Efren knows for sure, but I think my summary is accurate based on all the information available.

@ProudlyElongo

3 жыл бұрын

Yes doc. Such a great player to watch. Have watched him played a lot of money games back home. .

Why efren do that? as what we always heared from some of his interviews saying "sometimes i wan't to take a difficult shot to intertained the fans/crowed" that what made him most loved by the crowed...

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

It works. We love him.

When you're in the game the last 25 options are not the best options.

@DrDaveBilliards

Жыл бұрын

Good point. But some of them are fun to try, and you can learn stuff from the practice.

Didn't he play carambola at one time? It's pretty much natural for him to that simply, if you pay attention to his style of pool play many of his big games or matches have the same results from time to time.

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

Efren has mastered many cue sport disciplines.

@hugosolis9363

3 жыл бұрын

@@DrDaveBilliards could I ask if you could do a video on Bustamante sometime?

@DrDaveBilliards

3 жыл бұрын

@@hugosolis9363 I included shots from Bustamante in my "Most Famous Shots" series: kzread.info/head/PLH9d4KFY28XscHllvlP_rVC1jQjDXZmYD If you have other shots to suggest, please post timestamp (MM:SS) videos links. Even if I don't feature them in another videos, I can at least add them here: billiards.colostate.edu/videos/pool-shots/