It surprises me in legends Commandos were the largest number of clones to defect and even saved jedi.

@geetslys

Жыл бұрын

Yea, it's really taken a complete 180 in canon it seems.

@exauced7443

Жыл бұрын

too bad I don't see stories like this in an animation

@white_will_smith

Жыл бұрын

Yeah Idk I'm 50/50 on it honestly

@IsaiahRichards692

Жыл бұрын

@@geetslysHonestly, using the Clones to cure Cancer would still be pretty brutal. (They’d have to give them cancer in order to cure it!)

@demonteprice5870

Жыл бұрын

I mean the Batch and Gregor are notable Commandos who still defected while saving and aiding Jedi

It’s an honest surprise that Gregor and the bad batch are so far the only commandos to defect. I’d like to think Sev is still out there, away from the imperial’s grip.

@Sephiroth144

Жыл бұрын

Might be; just not seen on screen...

@MegaMaster1021

Жыл бұрын

I think it's because the explosion that he faced back in the clone wars it probably damage his chip as well

@demonteprice5870

Жыл бұрын

Scorch needs to wake up and get tf outta there before it's too late, this ain't the Republic Commando I know 😭

@Des7p

Жыл бұрын

Gregor is a commando?

@alberto2141

Жыл бұрын

Well Gregor suffered damage from that explosion and it seems he already lost his squad during the war.

this makes me sad. the depressed clones in the prison waiting to have their limbs forcibly removed, become a cyborg or be experimented on is one of the darkest things we’ve seen in canon

@kingnothing5678

Жыл бұрын

Remember phase 0 purge troopers were extremely suicidal because they had the procedure done against their wills?

@StrykeSZN

Жыл бұрын

@@kingnothing5678 *dark troopers

Love how commandos were essentially the Spartans of Star Wars. The way they performed, worked in small groups, etc.

@carsonmalleet4367

Жыл бұрын

To be fair, commandos were made for basically a halo knockoff game (that I love), it’s awesome that they are being used in lore more now

@iainballas

Жыл бұрын

@@carsonmalleet4367 Lol yeah, RC was one of those 'halo killers' from the '00s.

@Df-sl4he

Жыл бұрын

@@carsonmalleet4367 then again, we never saw other Spartans working together as a squad (other than multiplayer) in Halo CE, 2 or 3. So at least that concept was original to RC. (Original meaning which one came first between the two)

@ebonkinght

Жыл бұрын

They were kinda like the odst's role wise and the ARCs were more closer to spartans, cause Commandos weren't trained to be front line foot soldiers.

@my9thaccount140

Жыл бұрын

@@ebonkinght That’s how it used to be anyway. It seems like the differences between the two categories is far blurrier now.

Delta squad needs its own show

Rex and Echo formed a Clone Railroad !! What an episode! Saving their brothers one prison ship at a time. And that blue sweetie Chuchi. She is the new Padme post-republic

@showalk

Жыл бұрын

Padme was sometimes painted onto ship hulls as a pinup. Chuchi would definitely be on the list of other options there.

@TheZamaron

Жыл бұрын

I love Chuchi, in CW she's got a cute big eyed look like Ahsoka and cute voice and accent, but man is she a beast in the Senate. I love how this show has helped her shine even more, I hope she lives a logn happy life, or at least as happy as a senator fighting for the right thing can get in the time of the Empire.

@kingnothing5678

Жыл бұрын

Chuchi is bound to die though

I hope somehow a few commandos see the light and rebel in more subtle ways (maybe Delta Squad but that’s unlikely), or perhaps maybe we’ll see the commandos be wiped out by the empire’s first Death Troopers making a much more tragic fate, regardless I hope we see more commandos have some character soon

@salmonboyli2002

Жыл бұрын

Nah, Imperial Commandos sounds sick

it's still weird to realize that those guys also just clone his same face, hair or whatever. yet different. the aura they have is very cold and chilly. I would like to see a clone commander without a helmet and who, for example, enters into a conversation in 1 battle with, for example, croisshair or the bad batch or anyone else.

@StrykeSZN

Жыл бұрын

tups face after krells massacre is terrifying. it’s pure hate.

@exauced7443

Жыл бұрын

@@StrykeSZN Um not sure exactly what you mean. but i will say yes i think 🤷‍♂️.........

@Phillisophical

Жыл бұрын

They have done that already and the commando scorch got his ass handed to him by the bad batch

@personofinterest3534

Жыл бұрын

@@Phillisophical He put up a good fight tho I mean what did you expect from a 4v1 💀 He would've taken down Tech and Gregor by himself

@exauced7443

Жыл бұрын

@@Phillisophical I know that but better fight. and a real conversation of: why he is so loyal or what happened to the rest of the team something like that 🤷 . And NO now I don't want to hear a whole explanation from someone of what happened to his team or whatever 😑

I think hemlock is using these Cloned to make experimental phase 0 dark troopers

Maybe their are more clone commandos out there that defected in canon, perhaps the empire already locked them up, and it's possible that some of the clones that were rescued were commandos you just can't tell without their armor.

There was a scene in Ep 11 (BB s2e11) where the clone commandos were tasked with rounding up civilians... as the commandos left the landing craft, one clone lowered his weapon... showing less enthusiasm for the task. This scene suggests the Clone Commandos are going to get more depth of character in the coming stories ... As a real world analogy the Clone Commandos offer an example of the dilemma every soldier faces when they are confronted with political decisions that conflict with their personal moral codes. Professionalism and loyalty to colleagues are a strong incentive to continue to carry out a bad policy even when the broader ideology cross your own red lines.

The Commandos could be biding their time perhaps. Following orders, while slowly coordinating between themselves before they all go at once. Do the maximum damage when they defect in one go.

@vladtheimpalerofficial

Жыл бұрын

That's actually very possible tbh they could have there own comms unit that allows them to talk securly and freely between each other either via a modification to there helmet or a secret comms unit that they made before the empire they could all be waiting for the absolute perfect moment to do the most damage

@calebknoll247

Жыл бұрын

@@vladtheimpalerofficial that’d be cool. Then maybe that and the clone network Rex is building will eventually move towards the Kamino rebellion in Legends

@Delta-38

5 ай бұрын

This would be cool to see in the next season hpefully with the rest of delta squa.

@icrywhenisleep2130

Күн бұрын

Highly doubt special forces in America would defect to Russia if America changed their title to empire 😂

Technically we got an ARC trooper in Echo, all we need is a full blown genetically birthed Null class ARC trooper

@firingallcylinders2949

Жыл бұрын

Wasn't the Null program scrapped because they were too dangerous? There were only 6. They would disobey Jedi. They eventually created the Alpha program of ARCs and were personally trained by Jango and that's what Fordo was. Rex wasn't an Alpha ARC but I believe he received ARC training from the beginning.

@davidvasquez08

Жыл бұрын

@@firingallcylinders2949 I think it’s the other way around

@ADMNtek

Жыл бұрын

@@firingallcylinders2949 depends on what you consider canon in the old lore the 6 Nuls were trained by Kal Skirata. while Jango trained 100 un modified ARCs.

@AkumuLyn

Жыл бұрын

@@ADMNtek Technically speaking the 100 Jango trained were "slightly modified" while the Nulls were unmodified...

@AkumuLyn

Жыл бұрын

@@firingallcylinders2949 The problem is that because of Dave Filoni's Clone Wars series we now just toss ARC onto anyone. In the original the regular troopers that stuck out were brought back and given "Clone Commander" training. So you had Regs, Commandos, ARCs, and Clone Commanders. But now if you need a badass clone they have to be an ARC instead of just a Reg that happened to perform extremely well...usually outside the "parameters" of their genetic standard. Basically ARC is to Clones as Epic is to us now: used so frequently it's lost it's worth and real meaning.

I hope we see Omega Squad and the null class arc troopers in some form, they had some cool stories involving them

@ugiustuskeiserus8066

Жыл бұрын

Those stories cannot be canon though

@ebonkinght

Жыл бұрын

I don't think the nulls are canon anymore.

@GR33ND3MON

Жыл бұрын

I’d rather not have Null Class and Omega Squad Canon. They’re just better off with staying in a book since I don’t want to see them get retconned like Commander Grey and the Kanan Comics. They’re fine where they’re at.

@dotgaming104

Жыл бұрын

You're not getting nulls lol

@jedigamer9935

Жыл бұрын

Would be nice to see them and Kal Skirata. Then in a later episode of The Mandalorian this season, we see Bad Batch and the Mandalorians appear. Maybe with Bardan Jusik who is another Mandalorian Jedi.

Corsshair said at the end of season 1 that part of the reason he stayed with the empire was because of the bad batches decision early on at komino to leave him behind instead of capturing him and removing his chip like they did for themselves. He felt betrayed and chose to stay with the empire of his own free will, even having his chip removed shortly after being left on komino at the start of season 1.

Crosshair himself said why he was sticking with the empire, because being a soldier is the only life he knew and didn't like the idea of simply wander the galaxy aimlessly in order to find something to do. This is true for many real life retired soldiers who have a lot of trouble returning to civilian life because they're too used to the army's strict heirarchy and intense discipline. Crosshair was okay with the empire as long as they allowed him to do what he did all his life and didn't think much about anything else. Of course, he then found the hard way that there are many more differences between a democracy and a fascist regime beyond people simply not being allowed to vote.

Tech is soo sacrificing himself for crosshair. There's been a lot of focus on developing him and his character, especially when it comes to his interactions with the pirate lady, as well as his interactions with Omega (the tech turn).

Even to this day, I still have this question in my head: Does some people deserved redemption? And in Crosshair's case, does he deserved one? He executed civilians on the baseless assumption that they might join the Partisans later on after all.

@zeratul____1228

Жыл бұрын

Well his Brain Chip was turbo charged at the time so we really can't judge on that, I'd say everything before the venator frying him was when he was under the sway of the chip.

@merafirewing6591

Жыл бұрын

Sometimes people like an irredeemable a-hole.

@Haloguy3959

Жыл бұрын

That's vengeance, and in this case, petty and self-destructive vengeance.

Crosshair went along with the Empire of his own free will. He believed that he was better off with the Empire than deserting. He was a soldier and like being a soldier. He didn't realize how messed up the Empire was.

Tyranus wasn't kidding when he said they would be programmed for absolute loyalty.

I’m still salty that clone commandoes were under utilized and seldomly portrayed in the clone wars animated series. Even in the bad batch they are a rare sight.

I don't think it was all the control chip's doing that Crosshair sided with the empire, he's a sniper and that typically means he had to think more paces ahead than nearly anyone else in his squad as missing his mark would have dire consequences. I feel he knew the Republic was unstable, entire galaxy knew it and the empire was his only real choice as evil or not it did bring in some level of stability during those first few years, what made Crosshair finally fed up with the Empire was just how severely incompetent imperial command was.

I am not so sure there will ever be a MASS clone revolt. As we've seen, the empire seemed to leave a number of clones alone on outer colonies by the time of Star Wars: Rebels. I don't think the Empire would have just let them go after some attempted insurrection or defection. They would have hunted down every last clone, and an entire generation of bounty hunters would have cut their teeth on Jango Clones. I think there will just be a small-scale incident lead by Rex and Echo, which Palpatine will play to his advantage to treat all clones even worse. He's always playing both sides at this point, as we've seen with Rampart and that blue senator lady who's name I forget.

@railfandepotproductions

4 ай бұрын

Chichi?

You're right, but I might add the reason Commandos guarded imperial secret project and TK training was because they're simply better than ARCs or Regs. Hence why we see Scorch being somewhat Commander like is because he had more experience than the other commandos which makes him a better candidate

anyone else thinking some of captured defecting clones gonna be turned into dark troopers

@firingallcylinders2949

Жыл бұрын

Phase 0 maybe

@vector4753

Жыл бұрын

@@firingallcylinders2949 yes, but remember when that doctor said the first robotic dark troopers where phase 3, meaning phase 1 and 2 had to be humans, maybe clones

Is it just me or does the "bred for obedience" but "can operate independently without direct orders" contradictory? My solution: these commandos willingly obey the empire. Like Crosshair in season 1. I'm open to being wrong.

@mario97br

Жыл бұрын

It seems as if they are independent in thought about how to achieve something but have no critical thought about what to do itself. They just accomplish what they are told to accomplish. Simple men.

@williamfitch1546

Жыл бұрын

@@mario97br Simple men can't be sent into complex scenarios. You don't send army grunts to do Marine/special forces tasks.

@mario97br

Жыл бұрын

@@williamfitch1546 I meant they are simple in a straightforward manner. No unnecessary questions asked. Hands on approach. Professional performance. Even if the task is complex and requires a delicate process, they do and accomplish what is expected of them. Like a superpower, born out of focus, training and indoctrination since creation.

@williamfitch1546

Жыл бұрын

@@mario97br Well said. I think you have convinced me.

@leonrussell9607

Жыл бұрын

​@@williamfitch1546 marines are grunts too, they aren't special forces in the slightest

I love this episode the tipping point was amazing i was cheering nonstop when I saw Howzer Echo and gregor 🎉🎉🎉

@isaackim7675

Жыл бұрын

I definitely fell in love with that one trooper nicknamed Fireball. He has a cool paint job on his armor

I was under the impression that Jango Fett didn’t actually train the Commandos, he got the ARCs and the Kaminoans got the Commands

@collecter343

Жыл бұрын

In Legends at least he hired a crap ton of Bounty Hunters, many Mandos included, to help train the Commandos.

@CommanderM117

Жыл бұрын

@@collecter343 that also cannon as well since it make sense as commandos do not have the chips.

This is straight up character assassination. And it honestly feels like it was done out of pure spite.

Crosshair, “Good soldiers follow orders!” Yeah, that didn’t aged well

In my opinion Katarn-class Commando Armor is one best soldier armor in entire franchise.

@sonofeyeabovealleffoff5462

Жыл бұрын

I'd rather have Phase III Dark Trooper armor from Legends. Crude Space Marine -esque power armor.

Every time I see her I wonder what's going on with the doctor's assistant (don't know if she's a doctor herself, or a nurse) There's interesting framing highlighting her reaction when clones are mentioned, especially when the implication is bad things will happen to them. I think she's going to end up rebelling, maybe even be the person who helps Crosshair escape. In fact, I'm starting to think she IS a clone, specifically a copy of Omega that was giving growth accelerators.

@rhodrage

Жыл бұрын

Well, she has the accent and the skintone...

@indygardiner8225

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking this too! Her accent was what caught my attention, then her actions were what led me down this train of thought. I suppose it isn't crazy to think that the Kaminoans made several female clones and scattered them throughout the Republic/then Empire as spies; because no one would think to be looking for female clones. Plus it was mentioned by Echo, I think, that they had people placed in the Empire helping them out. He would know to look for female clones because of his experience with Omega.

Same! I’ve been hoping since season 1 that crosshair would go back to his brothers at some point and really hope he does by the end of this season!

@necfreon6259

Жыл бұрын

Either that or maybe the empire turns him into a dark trouper something tells me him being an unwitting prisoner to his robotic body is almost as ironic as it whould be tragic hell there could include a scene where he gets defeated by the bad batch but they take off the mask and crosshair begs them to mercy kill him it’d be like Wolfenstein the new order all over again as great as it is that we get to see another zuko redemption arc they could just as esily do the dark trouper thing and it whould be fantastic either way

Jango trained the first 100alpha class arc troopers The Cuy'val Dar trained the commandos

Dark trooper program

@neofulcrum5013

Жыл бұрын

That seems to be where this is heading in this facility.

It kind of annoyed me that echo and company used only stun bolts on the TK troopers.

@cartoonzentertainment

Жыл бұрын

I mean the empire blew up the ship anyways so I don’t think it really made any difference

@seriousnesstv7902

Жыл бұрын

Kid friendly

@seb2750

Жыл бұрын

​@@seriousnesstv7902 Nah bruh, Crosshair blasted them all when he busted loose. Except the doc, he spared with stun.

@seriousnesstv7902

Жыл бұрын

@@seb2750 No that’s cuz that part of the show is mature the parts with omeeega are childish

@Kadeo-ms6qw

Жыл бұрын

@@seriousnesstv7902 bro, omega wasn’t anywhere near the prison transport ship. Did you even watch the episode?

Kinda surprised, because out of the entire republic army, the commandos had the highest form of free thinking

first zuko and now crosshair. filoni has a favorite archetype

I personally prefer the legends version, where commando's, who identify less with the republic, and more with Mandalorians, were the most common defectors, and also some of them were adopted into clan S'Kirrada

Not sure why I have an odd about this, but the Idea of the Clone Commandos being the Template of the Death Troopers role fits oddly well. I mean, the Death Troopers were organised to protect High Ranking Imperial Personals (mostly those from the Research & Development Department), and the Clone Commandos in the Bad Batch so far are doing the similar job, minus the whole training the TK/Imperial Stometroopers. Granted we don't really know if there were any Clone Troopers that are training the TK/Imperial Stometroopers, since they are supposed to be the successors of the Clone Army and all that.

@occam7382

Жыл бұрын

It is possible that the Commandos were reformed into the first Death Troopers. Hell, they could've even been the ones to train future Death Troopers like the ones we saw in Andor, Rebels, Rogue One, and The Mandalorian.

I think the crosshairs character is one of those people that believe hard in their own truth and are not willing to accept the real truth until reality shines a harsh light on it and then it'll either change them or break them. In my opinion anyways.

This was the kind of episode we need more of.

So far we have seen how ineffective the clone commandos are individually. They aren’t able to be the lethal soldier they are without the squad being together. It just makes them look pathetic the same way the TK troopers are.

Thus its no suprise that Gregor wasnt interested in following orders given he had his head scrambled twice.

I thought according to cannon/non-cannon whatever state its in said that commandos were disliked by the empire??? They were to independent and free willed and were trained to think independently and operate on there own. Which was what the empire didn’t like.

I'll never understand people that talk about Crosshair's "Redemption". No matter what he does now, he has willingly committed atrocities. There is nothing you can do to redeem him, even if he turns and fights the Empire.

Great channel love the content!

I thought the Commandos were the most independent minded tho?

@Jason_todd7

Жыл бұрын

They are. So the fact they are this loyal to the empire makes no sense

@MrJaponte28

Жыл бұрын

Arcs were the most independent hence their working alone or with a few other arcs Very rarely did they work with high units This could be more legends thinking though

@abrashio

Жыл бұрын

@@MrJaponte28 yep, it went Null ARCs only followed what Papa Kal said and were downright mutinous at times, ARCs who were basically Jango but with accelerated Aging, Commandos, then the Troopers. Personally, I feel Filoni should introduce the Nulls and the fact that they are working to reverse the accelerated aging. Plus you could make the Bad Batch just the other half of the Modified clones

@MrJaponte28

Жыл бұрын

@@abrashio that would be really interesting. You could even check their progress / success or failure in the Mandalorian

the beginning, the ships radar dish thing with the planet looks like the deathstar

No Crosshair went along with the Empire because of his character. He was never liked among the regs. He just had his squad. But he was also short sighted. To him, there was nothing in life but being a soldier. And as soon as his brothers defected for Omega, he didn't have anything else in life but being a soldier.

Who were all those clones that helped Echo? I didn't recognize them all.

@ArkAnimations

Жыл бұрын

They were just random clones who were introduced in the episode

@ArkAnimations

Жыл бұрын

So makes sense that u didn’t recognize them

@seb2750

Жыл бұрын

I almost thought one of them was Gree, the dude who tried to jump Yoda in Ep3. They wear the same camo scheme

@zachduperron8543

Жыл бұрын

Nemec and Fireball

The commandos went from being guardians of the republic to the iron hand of the empire

If there was the potential for any depth in a Disney IP, I'd mention that what we are seeing are facilities security troops in 25 percent different Katarn armor. But, this is Disney, so I guess the discussion point is "Why is the Empire guarding prisons and Labs with the top 1 percent of the top 1 percent of the top 1 percent of special forces personnel?" That only breeds more plot holes. Maybe it's because they've recognized that they killed the Golden Goose and are using recognizable templates rather than paying artists to create a new model for security guards. Why waste more money before the fireball hits the ground? Just a guess. EU Commandos Rocked! These aren't them.

If you ask me, I always think that the remaining dozens of clone commandos all became Death troopers. I know that Rebels showed off a female version of it but I always think that the reason why the Death troopers voices are distorted is because they are clone commandos are the Empire doesn’t want anyone to know it’s them

Man “ Oopsie batch” got me 😂

I’ve of course watched through all the Star Wars animated shows having grown up on them, but I rewatched all of the clone wars for my dads first time through. The commandos are his favorite clones and Gregor is up there in his top 3. Poor chap doesn’t know about rebels yet

@protozoanpro

Жыл бұрын

And I think a lot of the explanation for differences in behavior with the clones, is that they are all still different. They may be near identical replicas, but I’m sure every clone has some personality thing that wasn’t genetically coded, I think that explains the names too, if they were all perfect clones I’m not sure there’d be a need in their mind to differentiate themselves. Just high explaining my thoughts, sorry

"We aren't 100% sure what Hemlock is doing, but we're willing to bet it isn't discovering the cure for cancer." i mean yeah the dude's named after a poisonous plant and was kicked out of the Republic Officer Corps, he IS a sentient cancer. why in the galaxy would he do that?

@zachduperron8543

Жыл бұрын

Also he was immune to the gas that knocked crosshair out cold.

First, unrelated to the video, someone better pick up that phone because I called it, sort of. lol. On last weeks video I said the Empire wouldn't be invading Pabu, instead, the Bad Batch would get a call from Rex or Echo, or hear about Crosshair or some other Clone friend in trouble and would be forced to leave the planet and get back into the fight. Also, I was hoping to maybe see Delta Squad in this show, but given how blindly loyal most Commandos are, I'd rather not see them show up so that the Bad Batch and the rest of the good Clones are less badass to worry about while fighting the Empire.

I loved the special forces ship boarding in this episode

"And fir that Purpose, you will be superior to your more common Brethren. For you are a Commando, an Elite. Something Truly Special."

My theory is that Cid is going to be the main antagonist of the final few episodes, as she rats them out to the empire. Also hope that for the 3rd season, the main antagonists will be Delta Squad, and by the end, they make them good

Unfortunately I don't think Crosshair will be rejoining his team. He betrayed them and I don't think he could ever properly forgive himself. He's probably going to sacrifice himself and it's going to be absolutely tragic. If and when he does go down though, he'll probably bring an entire imperial base or ship with him.

Great episode!! ❤️👍🎉😎🎈

Clone commandos also had Photograohic memory, were far more intelligent, far stronger, larger (6 foot 4 inches each), had better eyesight, better reflexes etc etc. You name it, they got it better in everyway. That's why they were so dangerous.

Dark Trooper Dark Troopers

Can you do an updated version of differences between arcs commandos, the different phases, such as nulls, alphas?

seems like you're retconning commandos with the traits of the null ARCS. This is one area where I think one has to acknowledge the difference between legends and disney

@abrashio

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that discreption was weird as Nulls were a whole different and very scary beast. Legends commandos differed primarily in that the Cuy'Val Dar trained them directly which also imparted the trainer's characteristics on to them somewhat, while the troopers were mainly flash trained. Genetically they were basically the same except Troopers were designed to be more loyal to the command structure while Commando's were far more independent. Arcs were almost pure Jango and trained by him directly, whereas the Nulls were basically how do we make Jango better and you get stronger, faster, eidetic memory having, super scary smart clones with no loyalty to any one but papa Skirata. People love Filoni but I still am on the fence for what happened to Mandalore and Commando and the ARC units

@elisekehle8520

Жыл бұрын

@@abrashio I think the changes to Mandalore were necessary to try to curtail the problem of fascist fans wanking to their ideal space sparta, so whether it's best for the story or not, it was the right thing to do. Mando seasons 1-2 were great at this. Haven't watched season 3 yet- critical consensus seems to be more negative- but from what I've heard it's showing Bo Katan and other more moderate Mandalorians join the Children of the Watch, which troubles me.

@abrashio

Жыл бұрын

@@elisekehle8520 yeah, I actually don't mind the New Mandalorians, just the thought of Mandalore being a wasteland itself like if it was just a portion of the planet but the New Mandalorians built the city there as a reminder of how too much warfare can lead to destruction. Yeah Filoni loves to use the Watch and it is very irksome. We need some True Mandalorians on screen as a reminder that the Watch is not the Way and in fact they, Death Watch, are the damn reason the Mandalorians and Mandalore are in the shape they are in. On another note I never vibed with the idea of the Mandalorians deciding their leader by who wielded a lightsaber... Just don't feel right

My guess is commandos are too valuable to get rid of. The empire wants to use their higher skill set as long as possible; once their gone there's no replacements.

I feel like if there is going to be a clone rebellion, there is going to be a big twist we the clone commandos. We know that when Gregor first appeared in the Bad Batch series, he mentions that all the commandos that were gathered to train the new TK troopers they hated them and made that they received they worst training possible. Seeing Scorch is in charge of all the clone commandos, from what we have seen so far, we have yet to see Boss, Fixer, and Sev and I have a feeling that the status of Delta Squad could play a big role in this series. Lastly Captain Rex mentioned that he had clone contacts within the empire to help them hit transports carrying clone prisoners and I bet that Scorch is his clone contact. Scorch would be in best position to provide such information and him being seen so far as the second in command on mount Tantus. As big clone commando fan it hurts seeing my commando brothers doing the empire's dirty work but seeing the clues in the episodes so far, I feel like the Scorch and the other clone commandos are going to play a huge role in the show's plot.

Did the bad batch was not composed of clone commandos ? Apart Echo... Gregor had defected and he ( CC-5576-39 ) had defected in the end of the bad batch season 1. He could be an exception but ...

Yea I was about to say Alphas and Nulls looked down on everyone same as Commandos just went down the ladder until regular clones you see it with the Bad Batch even just cause they never interacted with other troops so some Commandos did get along with regular Arc troopers if they were around them, it might have been different if they were close to them and were able to negatively influence their loyalty and make a more emotional decision thx to their personal ties but that is how THEY would see it emotion equals bad even if you are not in combat. Imo I prefer this route its more realistic to their training. But would love to see that one commando who had a baby with the jedi to further prove this point that they could have been saved but were past that point already if you weren't in their lives.

Now im curious as to whether boss/38 and fixer joined the empire as theyve yet to show them where as scorch has been seen in the series well at least a commando wearing identical armour as hes yet to be named as far as i know

Five bucks says that these imprisoned clones were slated to be Phase Zero Dark Troopers. That'd redeem this boring season of BB in my eyes if that was what they were building up to.

This was an epic episode

Say what you will about the commandos, but I think a full squad of ARC troopers would mop the floor with a full squad of commandos. Commandos were more for covert work and infiltration and long term deployments behind enemy lines. ARC troopers were walking death machines. The book Star Wars Hard Contact emphasizes that idea pretty well.

Delta Squad VS Bad Batch … I can’t wait

Not even accounting for electric cars, but to accommodate everyone going to heat pumps you will need to more than triple your electrical grid's capacity and generation. Heat pumps barely even work if you have winters that go into the -20 C range. The best will shut themselves off around -22 and stay off until their defrost function thaws them out, and here in Canada people are told to use them as a secondary heat source. Not to mention that they double as air conditioners in the summer, so the drain on the grid is not going to decrease in warmer weather, as more people will have them.

Commandos were so cool

its weird how these tanks become so obedient to the empire. alot of them flat out refused to execute order 66 and now they're like robots... strange

According to some of the new books, seems that Ion Team still didn't follow Order 66.

My thoughts on the clone experimentation is to turn them into prototype dark troopers

The senseless backassward-ness of the commandos and regs in Disney canon further cements how superior the Expanded Universe's lore really is.

If I had to guess the testing of clones might be the dark trooper program that also used clones early on in legends

What if the clone commandos we see are like the assassin that Rex caught where they’ve been whipped and new programming was added

Just thinking, when you mentioned Hemlock not curing cancer, can Jedi/Sith get cancer? Can palpatine get cancer? Idk just curious

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I think so... that way kamino made its own jedi acolytes nearly immortal. Basically all genetic modification starts out as a tumor.

I’m assuming that the clones might be being used for either the purge trooper program or death trooper programs

They need to show more clones that are loyal to the Empire

I wish we got a sequel to Republic Commando set during the Empire's rein

It's a total inverse of Legends, the clone commandos were the ones who were too independent minded. The normal clones were by far more programmed/indoctrinated to follow orders and obey. The commandos were usually away from direct supervision, so they had to be able to adapt to new situations and make their own decisions. The storyline was more logical in Legends IMO.

Really wish they hadnt discarded karen traviss' iteration of the commandos. Imagine seeing the null arcs and papa kal in bad batch animation 😳

Scortch is 100% one of the deep cover sources Rex is talking about.

Gregor defects, but he also shows the tell tale signs of TBI. This altered state of consciousness might have led to his mannerism and character

Its still so disappointing how disney "massacred" the commandos. They dont perform at all how they should, it doesnt even feel like they are elite soldiers. Even their armor, in the last episode one commando got one shotted! Thats such a slap in the face of every commando fan. While i enjoyed like 90% of the 2nd season i was extremly disappointed how they displayed the commandos. In CW they used footage of actual elite soldiers for the commando droids, and they really felt like they were special units but in the bad batch however clone commandos just feel like bulkier clone troopers with the skill of a rookie. I loved everything about commandos since i first played the game and even more after the books, this was since when i was 9 years old, im now 27 and i was really enthusiastic when i saw that they are now actual canon. But then it turns out like this and its saddening to watch my childhood heros get displayed like this. Im not talking about defecting just about how their skills and equipment are displayed. Now im not so sure if i even want another game.. Not if these people make it.

“Oopsie batch of commandos”

Gregor really is so unique.

I don't think they're clone commandos because one of them did talk and they did not sound like a clone. We all know what clones sound like and one of them definitely was not a clone.

I much prefer legends where the commandos rebelled. Them being bred to be more independent makes it make sense they couldn't be controlled to the same extent without them becoming less independent

Man, I hate the complete 180 they did on the Clone Commando series. I get that its an unpopular opinion now but the way Karen Traviss set up the Mandalorian culture in that series was the best. Kal Skirata being a Cuy'val Dar and Delta Squad would have made for some amazing episodes.

The Bad Batch reuniting... Saying this from 8 days later: Little did you know, little did we all know

I genuinely miss the EU commandos. And the EU mandos too. Thise were my favorite books