One of the best decisions taken by the Indian Judicial System was to implement Live court hearings . Should've been implemented a long time ago but better late than never . Helps show the dire process that goes into implementing a law . And gives us a perspective what went on and the reasons why some conditions are placed in some laws. Stops us from just jumping into conclusions why the law is wrong or right or what it shouldve been.

@itsmainakmukherjee

11 ай бұрын

Blessings of Corona.😃

@samananda8569

11 ай бұрын

Can you please post the link for the full hearing.

@nikeshmali8506

11 ай бұрын

court does not implement law, it interprets law and direct gov to enforce it.

@yatripatel8119

11 ай бұрын

??? Suppose 2 ppl of same sex wanna marry but cant (in india). u live to gether all happy after 10 years 20 years you both get old together and are living happily both of ur parents are no more and suddenly one of u gets sick or goes in a car accident. Ur partner dosent have any right on u according to the legal system and dont have any relation between u. But then I also understand that India isnt ready precisely the majority pf ppl arent maybe india after 10 years is ready to accept this

@yatripatel8119

11 ай бұрын

@@gamerboy7820 👍

For the first time I am impressed by the Indian Judiciary. They are discussing the matter in depth. Irrespective of the conclusion, everyone should be proud at the independence of our Indian judiciary! I hope a win-win arises.

@Vivi-Core

Жыл бұрын

CHUP

@105madhumithabalamurugan6

Жыл бұрын

Goodness no! Being impressed with the judiciary for discussing a matter in depth is like being impressed with the fan blades turning when you flip the switch. It's what it was MADE TO DO! This guy's argument is that a section of society should be denied their basic rights because it's inconvenient for them to rewrite the laws. Trust me, we have a long, long way to go.

@anirudh2704

Жыл бұрын

Crores of cases pending and this is hopeless judiciary for u

@didd2810

Жыл бұрын

​@@anirudh2704 this is the government's responsibility actually but they're avoiding it so what should we do!?

@sakshipal60754

Жыл бұрын

@@didd2810 since when Indian government started dispensing Judicial cases?

I don't think these are arguments against same sex marriage explicitly but they just highlight the work that needs to be done on our legal system to actually integrate same sex marriage better.

@YashVardhanGhildiyal

Жыл бұрын

Ohh ya thats a really good point

@abhilash9918

Жыл бұрын

Yeah this is the bigger issue here. Millions of cases pending across judiciary aren't important we should first solve this issue. This is nothing but virtue signalling bullsht to hide the rot in judiciary.

@abhisheknarayana1224

Жыл бұрын

Basically no one wants to provide law for your sexual orientation.

@parijatsingh5858

Жыл бұрын

​​@@abhisheknarayana1224it's not providing laws for someone else's sexual orientation, it's changing rigid and obsolete laws to ones that fit the needs of today's time and can be fair for a large, more inclusive population.

@abhisheknarayana1224

Жыл бұрын

@Parijat Singh You have no idea, what's coming after same sex marriage legalise, just look at what's happening in west!! We don't want those things to happen in India, India must focus on poverty and employment, not such futile issues, let me guess you're the from that community who can not describe what a women is? Tell me what is a women?

As far as I get it, these are not arguments to not allow same sex marriages but rather shortcomings of the present system built mainly for the binary community. When we are deciding to generalise the law, every other needs to be generalized as well..which, shouldn't be the reason to stop generalization in the first place.

@abiofficial-ws7pn

Жыл бұрын

Excellent. This is EXACTLY what I thought, too. What the SG is pointing out are the wordings that have been put in with the binary systems in mind

@rohanvats9982

Жыл бұрын

If I am being honest with you... Ancient Hindu Texts have the reference of Homosexuality in them and if they had no problem with it at that age or time, I think we should neither. But yes, the problems listed by the SG definitely makes sense. I know your argument about reforming the current system sounds logical but it isn't factually accurate. The LGBTQ community fails to determine their gender. In the Indian Law their are certain privileges given to both the genders respectively. Now, how to determine these things? Their can't be two parallel laws for the two of them because if so, then what if someone decides to identify themselves as LGBTQ in between their trail? So, my point is... What problem doesn't have a solution? But not every solution is feasible.

@bait5257

Жыл бұрын

​@@rohanvats9982your argument is that years ago people didn't have problem with something so we shouldn't have problem with it too? That's so stupid

@GobiSubramaniam

Жыл бұрын

@@rohanvats9982 - Ancient Hindu text does not refers to Hindu religious texts. Hindu society in the past had a lot of sub-groups living together which did not follow Hinduism - which included Buddhism and Jainism. A lot of their arguments are not accordance to Hindu beliefs and therefore, should not be added as a "Hindu text" in general.

@moreadisaurus

Жыл бұрын

​@@rohanvats9982 can you please link me to some ancient Hindu texts mentioning homosexuality as you clearly remember them in the back of your mind.

I am in support of same sex marriages but these questions are absolutely valid...we need to fix all of these issues before arriving at any new conclusion

@sujatanaik3848

Жыл бұрын

... y to jump in it , are all the next generations gotta be gays. ?

@rain_jen257

Жыл бұрын

yes

@TSCHANNELSHORTS

Жыл бұрын

So true

@Gaurav90065

Жыл бұрын

Support of mental illness

@somnathshaktikumar4363

Жыл бұрын

Disgusting!!!

Forget about same sex marriage, I want them to ban cousins and uncle-niece marriages. They are creating genetically disadvantaged children and deaths among them while they have the ability to stop it. It's also disgusting how your own family has the ability to have carnal desires on you. And also how ridiculous that is when a maternal cousin is a potential partner but a paternal cousin is a brother/sister. The same goes with uncles.

@adithyanr7415

10 ай бұрын

where is it practiced

@Berries_11

10 ай бұрын

See if u r Targetting muslims , as a Muslim my self .. There r no uncle and niece marriage here ( by no I mean it's very rare and uncommon ) And about cousin marriage it's usually between 2nd cousins or 3rd cousins they r Usually not direct cousins So the cases r already very rare if u talk about direct cousins and very very rare about uncle and niece Probably the same as other communities

@escanor3699

10 ай бұрын

@@Berries_11how can you even marry your 2nd cousin lol That’s literally your sister You guys are bit disgusting

@SM-dm8oo

10 ай бұрын

@@Berries_11 I don't which part of the world you're from, but from where I come from, uncle-niece and 1st cousin marriages are very common. And no, I didn't target Muslims. I was targeting Hindus who do that and also people from other religions who do that.

@Iamhere829

9 ай бұрын

@@Berries_11why did you assume they were targeting Muslims? Maybe if it quacks , it is a duck😂😂

This is how the country should operate !! Proud of these guys !!

@fauzia_is_a_man

9 ай бұрын

keep crying when we get our marriage rights very soon

It's my first time seeing how all laws are interlinked and breaking one law can cause chain reaction leading to system breakdown...

That means this is an issue of "system of marriage" on which the whole"family system" of India stands. Obviously it's not an easy decision to make.

Except for the Incest thing, every other argument seems fair. If CJI thinks there is no concept of absolute biological men and women, he should give the parameters on how to decide who is the man and woman in all other acts of domestic violence, dowry, and rape. If a man who raped a woman doesn't identify himself as a man, what should be the deciding factor to consider him a man. CJI knows how messed up this gets, so he left it to the parliament. For a small minority of the population, the court cannot throw the entire women under the bus.

@Hithere-qj1wj

Жыл бұрын

Then change the definition of rape already! Why is it a notion that men are only capable of committing rape??

@trishitasaikia1163

Жыл бұрын

Boy are you kidding me? Only a man can rape? No sir. A woman can rape too. Have you not seen criminal cases of father sexually assaulting their sons or mother doing the same to their daughters. Rape is wrong, whether done by a man or woman

@defaultuser9423

Жыл бұрын

This is the route to slippery slope. Vested interest want to see this through to destroy society as we know it.

@DarkMasterEdits-Mashups

Жыл бұрын

What you want to say i don't understand but inc**t is is worst If it is allowed then human meat should be allowed

@danyalparacha1761

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha

The majority of people have absolutely no idea about the complexity of this matter and are foolishly reducing it to an "Equality issue". Most of the people have no idea about the arguments put by advocates and Justices in this matter. The Chief Justice just announced that the Honourable Supreme Court cannot entertain popular morality because if they go by what young people feel then they afterwards have to listen to what many other people feel. Listen to the arguments put forth by the Solicitor General and how the bench agreed on the devastating effects and ramifications of legalising same-sex marriage on the personal laws, Special Marriage Act, Constitutional laws, Criminal and Civil Procedure, and provisions and laws and safeguards for women. The problem is that people are seeing this without even a smidgeon of technical knowledge, and it is not a problem but people should restrain from speaking on the matters which are exceedingly severe. Same-Sex Marriage entails Identity-crisis (just like what is happening in USA) and after that Identity Politics. There would be thousands of petitions on the identity issues with the defence of 78th paragraph in NLSA v. UoI(2014). You should look at the severity and complexity of the matter to decide if you should speak or not.

@quanta4510

Жыл бұрын

I agree

@anushvastava6978

Жыл бұрын

Valid.

@mr.phantom6969

Жыл бұрын

A well thought comment 👍

@freakshit22

Жыл бұрын

how would this be made understood to shallow thinkers? who just think that it is the right of a person to choose and become what ever they want. who are of more individualistic than collectivistic.

@Daddy2Daddy

Жыл бұрын

@@freakshit22 Yes, I saw how intelligent people really are.

J Sai Deepak is there in the bench. 😊😊. This is the best argument and discussion done in court. There will be a lot of change in culture an we indians cannot accept that

@soumyadeepsengupta9797

Жыл бұрын

He is a fool

@abhi_25246

Жыл бұрын

J sai deepak always talks illogically, and gay people have been existing since mahabharatha. J sai deepak is no one to deny two people from loving and staying with each other

@dalitnahipehlehinduhu6569

Жыл бұрын

​@@abhi_25246 ohh illogically 😢 ..

@goodthoughts4139

Жыл бұрын

@@abhi_25246 ok so the logical thinga to do is ask the male child in childhood whether he feels like girl or boy if wants to transition then do it before being 16 years old using hormnal therapy in the end the male child feels he did a mistake and de transitions is this logical for you. Going through numerous pain since childhood.

@cherry_bomb223

Жыл бұрын

@@abhi_25246 I agree on that

His arguements remind me of the those retired men who assemble at 6o clock with their chairs on to streets and discuss about affairs

@mohitanand1844

Жыл бұрын

They are smarter than you . Each of his argument is valid . Imagine losing to retired uncles

@AK-pm3fg

Жыл бұрын

Can't believe we have to hear this in 2023. Its time these guys retired and stop making rules for a country which is majorly young

@donthomas1690

Жыл бұрын

​@@mohitanand1844 lose an arguement to a man who's more worried about who's going to be the wife in a relationship and says incest is prohibited whilst it is still widely practiced in india and is considered not illegal and with no regulations ? Don't make a fool out of yourself man

@mohitanand1844

Жыл бұрын

@@donthomas1690 again you are a complete idiot .it is important cuz of second order affects such as them adopting children (which is sad ) . Also the arguments that can be used in favour of same sex marriage can be used to support cousin marriage as well

@donthomas1690

Жыл бұрын

@@mohitanand1844 It's okay, we get it, you're a kid. Calm down and educate yourself❤️❤️

The biggest stupidity in this case is comparing gay love to incest. If straight people have the right to love who they want then gays should too because these 2 are morally correct and are not breaking down any society norms. Incest however will always be a crime.

@afreenkhan1470

Жыл бұрын

On what grounds have you come to this conclusion? The same argument can be used against gay marriages as well

@Rudra-rf5cn

Жыл бұрын

@@afreenkhan1470 Khud ke maa baap aise honge....rehne do use😂

@stormgg4052

Жыл бұрын

There is no credible system of marriage it is just sexual attraction not more than that what if 2 brothers marry each other and establish themselves as gay couple

@tusharjawane9056

Жыл бұрын

I know... they took the phrase bro code too seriously to call gay marriage incest

@mohitanand1844

Жыл бұрын

@@afreenkhan1470 bhai they have no argument .these guys have no souls.nothing zombies all of them

the concept of 'wife' is a gendered term that is traditionally used to refer to the female partner in a heterosexual marriage. However, in a same-sex marriage, both partners are equal spouses. Therefore, there is no single 'wife' in a same-sex marriage. Using gender-neutral terms like "spouse" or "partner" is more respectful and accurate.

@theredstar6493

6 ай бұрын

And that would end the exclusive privilege that women enjoy in marriage (should've ended it long ago) Modifying the current laws to gender-neutral terms would mean you leave women to face the brutal misuse of laws that are currently only faced by men or to simultaneously rectify these laws where people don't get punished based on mere accusations ( which they're not willing to do as men are their primary cash cow and rectifying these laws would mean men no longer having to face legal extraction ) For simplification let's take IPC 498A as an example, currently a gender-biased section that can only be applied by the wife (woman) onto the husband or his family By making it gender neutral women would get eligible to be accused and charged under this section, tbh They'd suffer more during the case is pending between court by facing issues in bail/delayed hearing dates/harassment by police Now when women start to be the victim of fake accusations (or legitimate crimes proven against them) government would have to change the punishment or it'll affect their vote bank The LGBTQ community was not led down because of the social structure of this country but rather the legal structure where giving them privileges would mean women and government consequently lose their ability to extort from men

@ridhimasharma2766

6 ай бұрын

@@theredstar6493 It's important to understand that using gender terms, in marriage doesn't automatically lead to the issues you mentioned. Advocating for gender terms like 'spouse' or 'partner' in same sex marriages isn't about taking privileges from any specific group, including women. It's about promoting inclusivity and acknowledging the worth and rights of both partners in a marriage regardless of their gender. When it comes to matters it's crucial to establish an just system for everyone involved. This entails addressing biases and rectifying existing laws that might be biased based on gender, such as IPC 498A. By making laws gender neutral we ensure that both men and women are protected from any form of abuse or false accusations. It's not about shifting the burden from one group to another; rather it aims to establish a system that treats all individuals under the law. Supporting the LGBTQ community and advocating for gender terms doesn't mean compromising womens rights or hindering the governments ability to address crimes. It's, about constructing a society that respects and values the rights and well being of every individual of their orientation or gender identity. By striving for opportunities and fairness we can foster an inclusive society that benefits all individuals involved.

I'm surprised by the controversial news presented in this video. It challenges the traditional concept of marriage, and it's interesting to see how our society is evolving. The lawyer showcased in the video plays a crucial role in making our society more livable. Thanks for sharing this thought-provoking content.

Sai sir waiting for his chance to argue 🔥🔥🔥

@a_m4608

Жыл бұрын

Im waiting for his sledgehammer blows.

@lahsunsingh2005

Жыл бұрын

J sai is meanwhile watching ben shapiro videos to get warmed up. Master information manipulator that guy..

@lahsunsingh2005

Жыл бұрын

@PDM i am actually praising him..politics and law is about manipulating information anyway

@lahsunsingh2005

Жыл бұрын

@PDM he became famous via sabrimala by asking to treat deity ayappan as a physical person and protesting against cracker burning ban . Both these cases showed his way of words and pseudo-mordenist approach to argue in favour of customs that lack any value in the mordern world. Treating ayappan as a physical person is the violation of several beliefs in the hindu system which state that idols are representaion of gods and god itself is formless and not necessarily a human. The second case of Diwali he argued that crackers are burned as a way to show spirits the lighted path to heaven or whatever and it is a custom that should be respected. I agree that lightning has a special significance but there is no mention in vedas about crackers , the lighted path you provide via diya and candles. But he speaks in fast english sentences and provides pseudo logic for all his assertions just like Ben Shapiro. And most of the times he is like - if other religions do it , why we should not? So he doesn't provide solutions, he thrives on conflict and he is obsessed with pandering to his bhakt base and inciting them.

@nikhilspeaking

Жыл бұрын

His position on NRC - "having a register of citizens is a fundamental function of the state" and therefore essential. This, when some Indian states have a 40% birth and death registration system after trying to improve it for a decade and can't even conduct the census.

the thing what people need to understand is Marriage is not just love rather a legal contract, thats why we need these debates... else no one is stopping one from having a livein relationship

@SamratKiranjeet

Жыл бұрын

By definition - In US, marriage is legal contract. In India, Marriage is sacred and a union of man and a woman, and not a legal contract. So, LGBTQANDHFJXSJSKAK doesn't understand that

@perseusvlasov367

Жыл бұрын

​@@SamratKiranjeet the definition can be changed then.

@deadmeatbones6742

Жыл бұрын

​@@SamratKiranjeet sadly in India, judicially the purpose of marriage is clearly defined as for the purpose of reproduction. This is why infertility can amount to divorce. So the problem lies in the definition of marriage itself in the judiciary.

@ELROD.1_0_1

11 ай бұрын

​@@perseusvlasov367 They are playing with the definitions, that's why west and the Lqbtq + doesn't even know 'What is actually a women'.

@ELROD.1_0_1

11 ай бұрын

​​@@deadmeatbones6742 Sadly in India, the people who doesn't know the definition of marriage is 'the young fellas, especially the educated and wealthy ones' just look the statistics. who has the most divorce rate? Is it among young couples or elderly couples? Is it among well educated- fully occupied couples or among poor farmers?. Fact is that elder people know what is marriage and the purpose of marriage. And that's exactly why the west has more divorce rate than Indians. Back in the days India has below 10 rate for divorce. Now what is the situation. Why? People are more attracted to money, sex and wealth not love, care, humility and respect. Our father and mother have that, but I'm afraid what is the fate of next generation. So its clearly not the problem of definition, its the mentally of people who is attracted to western culture and 'Ultimate freedom' which will only endup in more orphan kids and destroyed families.

In India, where we are so hellbound about marriages happening within the same caste only, if we go up along the generation tree, we are bound to find most of the married couples to be blood relatives by the way. And somehow that is still okay with people.

@rishikabharti1789

Жыл бұрын

Saudi ka history padhte the kya bhai

@sakshampandey3193

Жыл бұрын

@@rishikabharti1789 😂😂😂

@sakshampandey3193

Жыл бұрын

Little knowledge is dangerous my friend, give a try on reading the concept of Gotra 👍

@wutangmuslin

Жыл бұрын

@@sakshampandey3193 marrying outside your gotra has worked till now. But after say, a few hundred generations, the effects of homogenisation will start to show. Because gotra doesn't take maternal inheritance into account. Eventually, one would have to mate outside their caste gene pool, to reduce the incidence of certain genetic disorders

@gamercontinent4001

Жыл бұрын

@@wutangmuslin very nuanced!!

I fear the day when there will be demands of incest marriage recognition saying " Love is Love" because what was considered a sin yesterday is a reality today. You never know what will come up after this.

@byebyedislikecount939

Жыл бұрын

I fear the day when people will stop using the heads for once and not actually study about the reality. Incest is not the same as same sex marriage and gay relations were never a sin. They were just not recognised legally before.

@Rohan_Kumar___

Жыл бұрын

@@byebyedislikecount939 I never said it was a sin. I said it was CONSIDERED a sin just like today people consider incest as sin. My question is what will you do when they demand incest marriage rights in future?

@byebyedislikecount939

Жыл бұрын

@@Rohan_Kumar___ Incest is not a sexuality. You are not attracted to your sibling due to ur sexuality, you have the choice to like anyone from the sex or opposite sex depending on your sexuality. Gay people are only attracted to same sex, and hence they don't have the choice to like opposite sex.

@Vivi-Core

Жыл бұрын

INCEST INCEST INCEST BRO LET THEM WIN FIRST WHY DO U WANT INCEST RIGHTS SO MUCH

@varunemani

Жыл бұрын

Yes this feels like very logical and possible issue. Other worst things in future to consider - What is stopping People from posing as fake gay's and try to adopt a girl child or get close to women ('Desi girl' scenario) for achieving various devious goals ranging from illegal housing, faking to get jobs positions, cheating and or sex abuse. Their pretext will be 'Oh but we are legally proven gay, how we can impregnate or have affair with a girl or woman impossible.. rubbish!'

Totally impressed with questions against judiciary ❤

@oreosandwich1519

Жыл бұрын

these questions are merely against the judiciary, rather an discussion about what will be obsolete with illegalizing same sex marriage

@normalguy2751

Жыл бұрын

Before

The Judicial system needs to have more live court hearings, and these hearings must be more widely available to the people just to see how backward the thinking of our top solicitors is at the moment.

This has become a war between wokes and sensible persons.

@lady5049

Жыл бұрын

Can you explain?

@athulsekhar9675

Жыл бұрын

​@@lady5049 woke/ wokism is the act of normalising disorders and fetishes and pushing it to everyone and compelling everyone to follow and support all those stupidity.. Wokism has severe negative impact on the society and could destroy the balance of the whole mankind..

@user-te4gg7ri3j

Жыл бұрын

@@lady5049 woke is a mixture of postmordernity and moral relativism . But this thing which is discussed particularly has western flavour.

@RamanSingh-zo5hf

Жыл бұрын

Idk why so many people are blatantly supporting it ? They are even portraying Hindu gods as transgender. Shame on these degenerates

@aliasuser_

Жыл бұрын

queer people have existed since ages in India. These are not some western ideologies. These are real people. Homophobia, however, is most definitely a western ideology.

In this particular case centre is right. If this marriage will be recognised then the whole social structure will suffer

@kmasif164

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely, as per 2019 research there is no gay gene.. Hence sexuality is totally dependent on environmental factors after a child is born.. If homosexuality is legalized and promoted in a society we will have more homosexuals in next generations. Disrupting the societal structure by giving emotional arguments of individual freedom and choice is total madness. Human stupidity has no limits 😂

@omnamahshivaya7894

Жыл бұрын

Abdul in many cases govt is right and abduls are wrong But because of your religion you are against

@robertjunior260

Жыл бұрын

it won't ...u are just saying this because its against your religion

@kmasif164

Жыл бұрын

@@omnamahshivaya7894 No government of humans on this petty little planet can be superior to the creator of this universe

@kmasif164

Жыл бұрын

@@robertjunior260 No argument here has been presented based on religion. If you have better arguments please present and enlighten us. Personal attacks is no argument

I just couldn't fail to notice Sai Deepak at the back 😅

Best compromise is to have a civil agreement act which is a kind of a special marriage act. Should give away most rights in that, except some.

I don't know the technicalities of this sensitive matter but I feel that just by mere inconveniences predicted to happen in our laws we can't curtail the basic right of choosing one's life partner. There will always be a way of modifying the laws but there can't be any compensation for robbing someone's freedom to love and live the way they want.

@Rohansrockers

Жыл бұрын

Which is why one should elect the right people and not expect the judiciary to do their job

@GokulHardy7

Жыл бұрын

Do you support incest?

@truthlight6435

Жыл бұрын

We live in a nation which sti upholds religious law. And you are talking about free civil liberties. How senseless you have to be. And anyway it is India we are talking about not west. Marriage is a sacred institution, not time pass. Recently people have started identifying thselves as Disabled. You must check Google. If tomorrow I say I identify as woman and provide me with same consession and priveledges that are provided to women then how would you deal with that. There no turning around such situation. It's better to keep things how they are until society has found equality in real terms or alteast when social fiber had deteriorated like it's in west

@Rudra-991

Жыл бұрын

It's not mere inconvenience. It's a huge inconvenience. Without taking care of all the major issues and possible legal problems, one cannot go right ahead and legalize same sex marriage.

@yourmindisyourchild4967

Жыл бұрын

@@truthlight6435 All concerns aside, for a second, can we please put ourselves in one of such situations where we are denied the right to be with the person we love and are forced to either be with someone we can't love or stay alone the entire life. Every new idea needs time and effort to be implemented. We can't sit in fear that it will disrupt the existing order. Infact it will make our laws more inclusive, widen their scope, plug its loopholes and most importantly it will reduce the exploitation of people who are different than normal. We as human beings have a tendency to be afraid of those who are different from us but the real maturity lies in accepting those differences and make things work for the greater good of everyone. Let this be a good start from our side. Let's give this idea a chance and then see what miracles it creates in the lives of thousands that are struggling for basic rights. The very idea of electricity, trains and infact internet was resisted on the mere belief that it will disrupt the contemporary order. They were just technological ideas. Whereas this is a system made by nature. If it was against nature then it wouldn't have existed. So let's welcome this change with open arms and open minds!

Bcz what Americans are facing as society we also have to ho through.

@Jecykshaji

Жыл бұрын

Yess,

@kandi1865

Жыл бұрын

But if we already know that what we have to face, So why we pass it and allow LGBTQ marriage....

@sudhakar7889

Жыл бұрын

That's different thing. To be identifying with something which they aren't is different to the actual gay people. Two different things you're talking about.

@protyaychakraborty4108

Жыл бұрын

The Americans are make us going through it in the garb of liberty

@TheB657

Жыл бұрын

*This is the issue of the colonized thought process. We have to bring back Ancient customs and traditions with the public being fully educated on all these topics.* Our culture and civilization has been scientific so far. If not for personal opinions and perspectives at least the baseline fundamental truth of genetic health among humans must be maintained. Those countries whom have allowed same sex marriage just observe them in five to six decades..... this artificial fertilization by three partners, two same sex partners etc. is going to lead to a whole another level of trouble causing humans to degenerate. It won't be the same humanity we have seen, interacted with and experienced till now. Man is going against natural rhythm and processes that has had a complex evolutionary pattern by itself. You go against it - you cause the whole world to become Hell. These countries will have LGBTQs in higher nos. than normal heterosexual couples leading to few healthy humans vs. millions with unhealthy genetics (1:2 ratio). These so called "developed" countries are killing humanity.

You really wanna know who will be the wife or who will be in the kitchen to cook and wash clothes? Just burry these gender roles and grant them the rights they need. It's just spouse. Being Wife or husband is secondary and hardly matters.

@mohitanand1844

Жыл бұрын

Bury everything and return to caves ,we have created this to live in a society

@HG58058

Жыл бұрын

@@mohitanand1844 You live in that society but they don't want to.

@sakshamsethi413

Жыл бұрын

​@@HG58058 he did not talk of gender roles . He talked about actual laws

@madara7305

Жыл бұрын

Bro just once in your life try to fill a government form . You will relief to know who is your mother and who is your father. Iam not saying roles are defined for someone . My mother was in public sector , my father was in buisness . The roles are very modern , but atleast i know who is my father and while writing my jee form i know who was dead and who is alive and doing what . If someone with no defination as father and mother so you will change the whole process for a marriage . Bro the thing is that i support LGBTQ , but there are arguments which need to be heard . You can't call everyone a hater of lgbt if he putting up valid points.

@tyagi7586

Жыл бұрын

You need a psychiatrist... You are having patriarchy-phobia named disease... And you assign everything to just gender roles without thinking about actual matter... Let's suppose there is a divorce case in lesbian couple.. who will pay alimony? 💀💀 Oh no... That's too much patriarchy for today... And what if a husband is told to pay alimony to his wife after divorce and husband claim to be a Gay.... He can calim to be a lesbian as well of our gender based progression continues... How cases will be carry on in courts? With every right, a lawyer makes 100 defences... Justice will be delayed in every court... Because majority matters in court are like this only..

Incest and attraction to same sex are not the same thing, even if brothers wanted to have sex it would be weird. A step child should also have same right as biological child if the step parent legally adopts the child. An adopted child has the same rights to property as a biological child. Just extend the same domicile for husbands as well and call it spouse instead of 'wife'. Extend the same sucession acts to the husband as well and just apply the widowers/ widow for the gay/ lesbian couple.

@therealgrimreaper68

Жыл бұрын

@Windless Flame People wouldn't find sex pleasurable then, by that logic all contraceptions should be banned and that has terrible consequences. And people who are infertile or sterile should be banned from having sex. Based on how same sex couples are being treated, no one would choose to be attracted to the same sex.

@therealgrimreaper68

Жыл бұрын

@Windless Flame sex just isn't the same as driving a car

@mohitanand1844

Жыл бұрын

@@therealgrimreaper68 if you can't understand a simple analogy ,why are you even debating here ??

@SyedMubashshirHasan

Жыл бұрын

@Windless Flame indeed , ur truthful

@therealgrimreaper68

Жыл бұрын

@Windless Flame you have legs, don't use cars and walk everywhere otherwise you are abusing the purpose of legs. You use your brain and think about it. Why would someone willingly choose to be homosexual based on how badly you treat them? They lose a lot and gain nothing.

Very Understandable... We already have lot of loop holes in our law and now this makes even worse. So, they need to change all laws accordingly

A few things India can take into account - legalizing conjugal relationships, live-in relationships for LGBTQ, looking at which elements from Western nations can be implemented within the Indian societal framework. Sexual act without consent remains a punishable crime regardless of the genders of the people. Same can be done for Leading Partner and Second Partner. There were times when single women couldn’t adopt, people had to fight for it. We are undergoing a big change, india you can do a good job. There are a whole bunch of people waiting to live a free life in India and come out of closets, especially in Tier 2 and Tier 3 towns.

@khrawbryan

Жыл бұрын

Can you define LBGTQ before making such statements? Define them and tell me what is this.

@athulsekhar9675

Жыл бұрын

​​@@khrawbryan mental disorders .. *in simply words

@azraelinium1012

Жыл бұрын

You want us to adapt elements from the western nations? So you want to bring the identity crisis here where anyone can identify as whatever they please regardless of their biological sex? That will bring all sorts of problems and issues here

@merasoul6520

Жыл бұрын

@@azraelinium1012 i identify as a television.

@pradnyakamble3958

Жыл бұрын

​​@@azraelinium1012 rightly said. Ppl are going crazy over there 😅 Who has time to entertain their delusion. Ps. Am not against same sex marriage.

So we change these laws to include diversity.. Why wud he even bring incest into this topic🤦‍♀️

@afreenkhan1470

Жыл бұрын

Because the next thing these individuals would demand will be incest. They will say the same thing “my individual freedom my sexual orientation”

@NOT_ain

Жыл бұрын

It’s logic bruh…! They scream LOVE IS LOVE so by their belief incest is also acceptable

@stormgg4052

Жыл бұрын

Yea that can be wt if brothers marry each other 😂

@sneha8732

Жыл бұрын

Because that's the truth. Its not just him who thought about it. I hv been thinking the same for long too. Incest relationships today are in the same position in society that once gay relationship did! If we give gay rights today, tomorrow incest couples wud stand up too because they also exist and suffer

@daauh8847

Жыл бұрын

​​@@sneha8732 is incest really present in our Indian Society ?? .. I mean Real siblings from same mother 🙄

The points are valid but there are actual ways to solve the problem and grant LGBTQ+ people same equal rights, there is a solution but centre needs to have an intent to solve the problem

@shashanksahu3558

Жыл бұрын

What's your solution??

@sneha-qn4jn

Жыл бұрын

Dialogue leads to solution. And they are having a dialogue

@GobiSubramaniam

Жыл бұрын

There is no problem to solve. Only problem here are the ones imagined by LGBT people and wasting court time with it.

@khwairakpamkhoimu4021

Жыл бұрын

So why don't you bring up the solution??

@teampunk1356

Жыл бұрын

Then why don't you argue in front of all the judges of the supreme court and give out a "solution"? Its very easy to be a keyboard warrior or an armchair general. Simply "importing" western laws doesn't work.

Rather than solving a SSM question , People should think about making the laws around marriage gender neutral which will automatically solve the SSM and would a phenomenal step towards equality.

@somnathshaktikumar4363

Жыл бұрын

They don't deserve such equality.....I don't want my nation to become like western nation culture....u guys really don't have any idea how this will affect our future generation......

@kirikiri44695

Жыл бұрын

I have a better idea . Build asylums for those things

@apolloismydad

Жыл бұрын

yes, exactly!

@BeanOnTheFlipside

11 ай бұрын

​@@kirikiri44695cheeky uncivilised fella aren't you

@prarthana7365

11 ай бұрын

@@kirikiri44695 you mean for things like you? for sure.

1:13 time will tell how far fetched it is.............within few decade we are going to see it in western culture

@Hithere-qj1wj

Жыл бұрын

Isnt it actually in practice in some Muslim cultures??

@AbdulRehman-bu3ho

Жыл бұрын

@@Hithere-qj1wj Islam doesn't allow incest. marrying a cousin is allowed in many religions and cultures including Islam

@Hithere-qj1wj

Жыл бұрын

@@AbdulRehman-bu3ho Half incest is still a incest.

@AbdulRehman-bu3ho

Жыл бұрын

@@Hithere-qj1wj for sapinda marriage(for cousin marriage in Hinduism ) to perform its require son side 5th generation and daughter side 7th generation Here the degree of incest is less but it's still a incest

@archityadav3616

Жыл бұрын

@@AbdulRehman-bu3ho It is prohibited Abdul.

The best part about the video is Sai getting bored in the background .

@khunevidit15

Жыл бұрын

Is he sai deepak ?

@vinaysingh6229

Жыл бұрын

Yes at 0:50

@kvtechvarshney5179

Жыл бұрын

I didn't see him sitting at back. U have a keen eye that u pointed him out. I really wanna hear his argument 😂. I'm a big fan.

@BrutIndia ..Hi Brut India, Im sorry that im gonna have to go off topic, But Can u Please please Cover the Communal Violence happening in Manipur, Churches, Lands, Homes are burnt down and people are killed and all that started in response to a peaceful unarmed Tribal Rally which was only held against the Govt. And not against another community....please help us People are dying in Manipur😭😭🙏🙏🙏

@Vizorfam

Жыл бұрын

Then next time elect kejriwal as your cm

@sonnynenghoi9372

Жыл бұрын

@@Vizorfam easy for you to just say that, Bcus youre not the one dying, your house is not burnt, your people are not fleeing their rightly owned properties and lands. Be realistic, If Kejriwal was there, We would have surely Voted

@indiananimationnewsupdates

Жыл бұрын

hey, I think brut is probably looking into this, and hopefully would be sharing a video regarding this issue! I hope everything become alright in Manipur, as we speak!!

@indiananimationnewsupdates

Жыл бұрын

@@Vizorfam why you have to say nonsense when you dont know whats happening at all?

@jagriti5163

Жыл бұрын

Let Jesus save them. Why are you wailing.

These are amazing questions which arise situations making everything a mess. Specially when you can wake up to feel something else everyday

I don't why it is important to discuss who who will be husband and who will be wife. Just call them partners and make laws same for both there will be no problem.

@dishuuu112

8 ай бұрын

Exactly what I was thinking...they should be the one deciding their relationship dynamics and are not at all required to announce to the world saying who is the husband and who is the wife in the relationship. Going by default, lesbians would be known as wives and gays would be known as husbands...as simple as that.

@vartika8176

3 ай бұрын

All the govt documents and legal documents require basic things like husband name /wife name. Also most of the documents only accept father's signature . What are the lesbian couple going to do then. There will be many changes in many proceedings and documents in order to legalise same sex marriage which has to be discussed.

Idiotic argument. In case of gay marriage both are husbands, in case of lesbians both are wives….., so on and so forth. What’s is the problem with SG or the government or the society. LGBTQIA want legal status for their relationships. Earlier it was Criminalised against which they fought a long drawn battle…

@tyagi7586

Жыл бұрын

This is not how Laws and society works.. This will cause chaos in future... That is happening in USA Right now. Who will give doctors right to assign genders to new born babies? 💀💀💀

@madara7305

Жыл бұрын

I beleive you are a lawyer . Who i will write as father name in my jee form. Father 1 , father 2 .. woowwwww

@mayank4596

Жыл бұрын

​@@madara7305 forms can simply be changed to say...parent 1 and parent 2

@asmitamajumder6260

Жыл бұрын

​@@madara7305 the forms can get changed but I guess u didn't consider that instead of father what if guardian's name is only needed,then u won't have any confusion.

@madara7305

Жыл бұрын

@@asmitamajumder6260 just try to fill a form bro u will realise

sounds more of a colonist mentality..

@mohitanand1844

Жыл бұрын

Using English , wearing shirts and even blouses came from colonialism . I suggest you stop using them all and start speaking prakrit

@boros123

Жыл бұрын

homos got checkmated.

@theeducator8574

Жыл бұрын

@@mohitanand1844 globalisation is not colonialism

@sahil6621

Жыл бұрын

@@theeducator8574 colonialism is not limited to physical illegal occupation of a foreign country .

@_march_egg_

3 ай бұрын

@@_Windless_Flame If our purpose in life is procreation, why are some people infertile?

My respect for Uganda is sky high !

A dangerous statement we often hear these days "I identify as a man or a woman" and then one can use the loopholes in the system to bend the rules.

@aliasuser_

Жыл бұрын

totally not happening

@anujthapa2346

Жыл бұрын

Totally not happening? What about the MAN who identified as a woman and went to a female prison and S.A many women and got them pregnant

@aliasuser_

Жыл бұрын

@@anujthapa2346 Who are you talking about exactly? if you're talking about Demi Minor, both instances were consensual sex.

@anjaneytripathi69

11 ай бұрын

i remember reading about this father in the US identifying as a women to win a court case for child custody then theres the several other issues like trans women (geneticall males) participating in womens sports competitions etc

@aliasuser_

11 ай бұрын

@babum karam let me tell you that right to self determination for gender is already legal in India... There's no chaos and loopholes that have happened so far...

The succession act and Domicile act needs huge changes to accomodate modern times, even in heterosexual marriages more girls are opting for their name because of plethora of reasons

Visit any of the family courts or divorce lawyers these days and check out the number of divorces happening in the straight couple marriages. If people are happy and are not harming other humans what's wrong in giving them their rights. Thinking beyond sex is important. There are so many orphans without parents. Legalization of these marriages will give them the right to adopt those orphans who deserve a better life. What is the count of straight couples who cannot conceive adopting?

@varunemani

Жыл бұрын

@Windless Flame The issue is purpose. Yes What is really the purpose for same sex marriage?.. Did society pressure two same sex induviduals to be married in India?? no that rule is pressured only on different sex people.. because else they are seen as illicit relations. So what is the problem if there is no registered marriage certificate in case of same sex couples??

@varunemani

Жыл бұрын

@Windless Flame Ya sure blah.. blah.. Have you just made absolutely like 'ZERO' sense with your reply to a simple question? Anyway good luck to you too "O' My friend" getting a life i guess!! Lol..

@varunemani

Жыл бұрын

The issue is purpose. Yes What is really the purpose for same sex marriage?.. Did society pressure two same sex induviduals to be married in India?? no that rule is pressured only on different sex people.. because else they are seen as illicit relations. So what is the problem if there is no registered marriage certificate in case of same sex couples??

@trishitasaikia1163

Жыл бұрын

​@@_Windless_Flame the purpose of sex could be procreation, but is sex the only purpose of life? If no, then what else than to find love and solace in someone else? Sex is just the biochemical hormonal reaction that brings two people together. It's not necessary that they have the sex. Hence gay people can love whoever they want. Homosexuality is not just having sex with the same gender, it's finding love and purpose in the same gender too.

@trishitasaikia1163

Жыл бұрын

@@_Windless_Flame so murdering infertile people is not a crime I guess, considering they are not fulfilling the purpose of life?

I think what SG is trying to say here is that, anything short of legislative action by the court(which the SC obviously won't do) will make the existing laws redundant or difficult to implement. The SC can make the marriage legal but they ultimately must rely on Executive and Legislature to make necessary amendments to existing provisions which the executive and legislature can refuse to do. I think the Hon. SC may formulate general guidelines to deal with confusion. But,sooner or later this issue has to be dealt with by the legislature. Either,they accept the ruling of SC and make necessary amendments,or they make laws contrary to the Hon. SC decisions thereby nullifying it or they can refuse to do anything while the Courts deal with this one case at a time.

Man this is gonna be tough on both the parties I hope the best for all!!

Setup a committee create a draft for correction and make parliament vote on it. How hard is that?

It is amazing that both parties are giving such a convincing facts which makes me want to believe both of them.

@adityadaschoudhury9231

Жыл бұрын

​@@_Windless_Flamedon't you do anything in life whose divine purpose is not procreation? And what's procreation got to do with marriage? It's not like some features of human beings gets unlocked with wedding rituals.

@wutangmuslin

Жыл бұрын

@Windless Flame This is a very utilitarian approach to sex. Don't get me wrong. I prefer to look at sex through the same lens as you do. It is a spiritually inclined point of view. But at the same time, I would not want to impose this view on everyone.

That very man speaks for the humanity my friend. We better be ded if that gets legalised

why the hell are we wasting time on this western problem. Do we not have bigger problems to solve?

@Rahul_Singh100

Жыл бұрын

Because there are many upper elites in India with time to file petition for these BS and complicate an already delicate family unit. This is global agenda to divert attention from real problems.

This argument feels like saying that we have laws in place which do not account for same sex marriage and so we should not have same marriage instead of updating the laws to account for it.

@apolloismydad

Жыл бұрын

This argument is addressing the issues and loopholes that will arise in the Judiciary system if SSM was to be legalised, so before that is done, these changes need to be made in the constitution to account for same s*x couples

@walterwhite210

7 ай бұрын

Just for some peoples delusions changing the law for other billions is very idiotic

It truly irritates me hearing centre's argument against same sex marriage. Nothing feels substantial. All questions can be answered. His main argument is that previously made provisions, laws, etc which were made ignoring rights of LGBTQ will have to be rewritten.

@vinayagrahari4

9 ай бұрын

@@yumi-e2o so can you, if cant digest progressive thinking.

100+ gender from US are on Their way to India, we must protect our borders

@wlqpqpqlqmwnhssisjw6055

Жыл бұрын

then twit buddy

@santanusk2853

Жыл бұрын

Our schools will be invaded first

@Warlord25

Жыл бұрын

Tere baap ka india hai kya Muhammad andhbhakt

Next time evolution in marriage is legality marriage with an animal...

We want marriage equality ❤

@noelsushilismile7206

Жыл бұрын

If you can father your own children. No third party involvement.

@stormgg4052

Жыл бұрын

Blind in one love 😏😏😏🤲

@anuragkr3026

Жыл бұрын

No equality will be given ,come and stand aginst straight people let's see who will lose

@shrin210

Жыл бұрын

Marriage is scam and it's non sensical concept of dumb society. Why do you want that? Also, it is difficult and will create confusion in process like banking, passport etc. You can do marriage without all nonsense legal proceedings. Why do you want to create more confusion in system for just 1% population? When u already have right to freedom whatever you want in personal life.

@Daddy2Daddy

Жыл бұрын

Anpad.

I think the issue is with the rights they want and perks allowed to married couples....so it's not necessary we call it a marriage but it can be thought that way , that they should get similar rights+perks as a married couple is allowed...that won't interfere with the meaning of marriage as well as they'll get what they want

@Rohan_Kumar___

Жыл бұрын

That's why there is a concept of " civil union" where they can get their rights. It will a best solution.

@neoz225

Жыл бұрын

correct.

@princejangra1231

11 ай бұрын

Same thinking was allowed in US and west and it went bonkers We should do it carefully and learn from them A gender neutral as a whole kind of law would help much better in arguments against sexuality

Doesn’t make sense, same sex marriages are there in other countries as well, we can adapt and learn from them and how did to overcome the shortcomings

@lin-we3pv

Жыл бұрын

same sex marriage is not in our country, let the other countries adapt and learn from us and overcome their shltcomings

@lianamendes2010

8 ай бұрын

Perfect! @@lin-we3pv

Is that J Sai Deepak in the back?? 🤔

@user-zf9wn8xs7h

Жыл бұрын

Yes

SG- I won but at what cost .. legend lmao 🤣

Brut please give us more clips like this

Brilliant rationale arguements put forth by SG

These are brilliant questions which I never thought of. System should be simple.

@princejangra1231

11 ай бұрын

Ofcourse mate I always say ki people think things are simple but are simpletons and easy overall Life is simple and complicated at the same time Hope we can do better than the west

@piushpaul4880

11 ай бұрын

Ahh I used to believe too that life was simple

I think it's better that the Judiciary of India takes time to set the laws carefully because the purpose of judiciary is to serve justice which is just and fair. Either don't make laws or make ones carefully so that that no one can escape or commit any wrongdoings by finding loopholes.

@Brut India: Stop misleading your audience with your WRONG TITLES.

Is that person behind the person who is speaking is J Sai Deepak??

These laws have to be updated. Don't think these communities were discussed over at earlier times. World has changed now, people ve become more accepting. The present population must be judged based on what is believed to be right now. We'll never get out of antiquated customs n rules n beliefs if we stick to these old rules. Communities at every generation update their rules according to their present day environment n understanding.. Otherwise we'll ve to go back to triple talakh, casteism, honor killings. If problems are new, it doesn't mean we revert back to the old.

You can’t change the reality with emotion.

Though not completely discarding the "incest" argument as it is a genuine concern as far as the logic of the arguments of the other side (pro lgbtq rights) is concerned. But the argument is pretty weak in itself 'coz no one is saying that the State don't have any business in marriage. Of course, the State have to interfere since marriage is a socio-political institution. But the incest argument holds no ground 'coz of course incest is bad and should remain such, and that's why restrict even "homosexual incest". Simple. Why the need to ban the whole gamut of homosexual relationship!? Just ban incest (both hetero and homo). And as far as other arguments are concerned, they are just implementation anomalies which could be taken care of while drafting the law, though a lot will be needed to keep in mind while doing so.

@johnphilip3379

Жыл бұрын

What about nacrophile???

SG Tushar mehta does hell of a job.. He is just a formidable power to be reckoned on

Nepal legalized same-sex-marriages. It's time for India now.

@SivaRam1432-.-

10 ай бұрын

Wow, great thing to know yaar

@bibekmandal9139

10 ай бұрын

Hell no

@sourabhkumar3852

7 күн бұрын

We are not fool like Nepal..

Just a idea: stop making laws based on who's the man and who's the woman . We are all people

@asmitarana7240

11 ай бұрын

Quite an optmistic approach you have.

@devu.ss_

11 ай бұрын

As ideal as it sounds the thing is the constitution of india is vast. Not to mention the biggest in the world which has been drafted almost a century ago. The amendments made follow a long procedure and amending everything in a go would be something id like to refer to as 'hysterical'. It would cause a chaos and as much as i am in the support of same sex marriages India has a lot more things to deal with especially as a developing nation. Its also important to keep in mind the conservative mindset of the generations living in the Indian society. Riots, domestic violence, protests, internal conflicts can be easily arisen if any amendment is made in a hurry. The laws will hqve to completely change and will cause extreme confusions. Had our constitution been one like from the west it wouldnt be as hard to make such changes but our constitution came into existence at an expense of millions of lives and a lot of dedication. Everything will be overturned with a single mistake. India needs time and the SC deserves a huge applause for taking this matter up and ckosely analysing it with reasonable arguments. Taking this matter up is anhuge achievement itself.

@fegeleinthesithlord8910

10 ай бұрын

is it possible??like staring at a women is wrong but not at men kind of law??

@fegeleinthesithlord8910

10 ай бұрын

@@shivendraupadhyay8415 thats what i wanted to say change these laws,laws of crime must not see gender ofc... but the laws of marriage and all need to be based on men and women thats how society works

Government and courts should not be involved in marriages. marriage should be totally between 2 individuals, and no one should be involved. Should be like business between 2 individuals

@apolloismydad

Жыл бұрын

....you know that marriage is a legal contract, right?

@scriptranda2670

Жыл бұрын

@@apolloismydad it shouldn't

The answer to this very argument will be, that since the parties concerned are consenting adults, they themselves have, decided amongst themselves to enter into the act of marriage, similarly they will acknowledge amongst themselves that who will play the part of the father, and who will act as the mother, it just has to be signed under their consent on a legal paper. Now because of this a whole lot of technicalities and adjustments regarding succession and other acts would come, but again when this question would arise, their signatures , would testify their role in the marriage.

@ishukumar4208

Жыл бұрын

Perhaps a signature can reduce legal ambiguity but that’s not only at stake here, notion of marrying same sex questions the concept of marriage, concept of man and women and their descendants. Same sex marriage will make biological differences between man and women redundant.

@xisc-25shourashishbanerjee89

Жыл бұрын

@@ishukumar4208 ooh you have a, point here

@GobiSubramaniam

Жыл бұрын

The problem with deciding among themselves is that they need to put it down into a legal contract before a Court to legalize it. That means that someone have to accept the role of Man and another must accept the role of the Wife. That is what the lawyer is arguing. Not the rejection of LGBT relationship altogether but the lack of legal binding for the same sex couple (on who will be accepting the role of the man and woman). Only when that legal obstacle is removed, the same-sex marriage can be added into Common Marriage Laws. But the problem here is the LGBT groups do not believe in the traditional definition of Man and Woman. They want to erase the concept of Man and Woman and demanding the whole legal spetrum of Marriage and Family laws to be changed just for that which is utter nonsense. This is like to fix the roof, you burn down the house and then rebuild the house to accommadate the new roof.

I absolutely agree with him. That's exactly what I wanted to hear. Even I hv been thinking the same for so long that once same gender couples were considered a sin, but now its normal and acceptable. Similarly, incest couples today are considered a sin but tomorrow they might ask for their rights too by the same logic. They wud also say that this is our feeling, we are made like this, we can't help it, love is love blah blah. They wud demand the same rights and wud stand in the same position like lgbtq do today. If we legalise this, then in the future people will ask to make incest legal too and it will be a disastrous society to live in! So who will draw a boundary for Love is Love?

@byebyedislikecount939

Жыл бұрын

How is it same logic? Incest is illegal for many reasons, be it biological or ethical/moral. Gay couples are not the same or even remotely the same as incest couples. Being gay is a sexuality, and hence it is not a choice, however loving your own sibling is a choice. That is not sexuality.

@byebyedislikecount939

Жыл бұрын

@Windless Flame It is not against nature because gay sex is found all across the animal kingdom. It's your problem that you can't understand how it works, not to mention, u probably don't understand how sex itself works considering you reduced it to procreation, when it's way more than that.

@sneha8732

Жыл бұрын

@@byebyedislikecount939 these r just excuses u r making. It is absolutely the same logic. Who r u to decide that gay relationship is not ethical or moral, because earlier it was considered the same as incest does today. Use ur commonsense,its exactly the same logic

@byebyedislikecount939

Жыл бұрын

@@sneha8732 In older times, it was considered that women should only be homemakers and not go out to work. Then why are women going out now for work? See, that's why your argument doesn't make sense. Times change and what was not acceptable then is acceptable now because of more understanding than anything. The thing is you are only being hateful because u are a homophobe and nothing else. You should first learn about gay people and then you will see how different gay relations and incest are. Incest is a choice. You are willing to have sexual relations with your siblings. Gays don't have a choice as they are only attracted to same sex people. You can't force them to like an opposite sex person.

@theredstar6493

Жыл бұрын

​@@byebyedislikecount939 genitals cant decide gender - CJI, there goes your biological reason I view incest as ethical and moral, now what, legalise it too? Morality and ethicality is based upon individual and societal view (if you consider society as a part of decision making then remember the fact that society is against things like these too) "gay couple are not the same as incest couple", same way heterosexual couples are not the same as homosexual couples, see how the table turned?

Is they are fighting over lgtv ?

@anjaneytripathi69

11 ай бұрын

LGTV

We are with Centre 🎉

These dilemmas are bound to come when the legal and socio-political system was designed keeping the heterosexual-binary in mind. Just because more paperwork is needed does not mean that we should not make the effort to make these changes. We owe this much at least to the people who have suffered for years.

@Abhishek-ws8to

10 ай бұрын

Marriage is a by product of religion and is happened only between the opposite sex

w indian judiciary system

I am watching j Sai...I wish he produced argument...i think civil union type new law solution....

Is it all about provisions to be changed in different laws? Then we shall look into how other countries have made the changes in provisions...its done before. It can be done here also.

OMG , excellent arguments by SG !! 🥶🥶😱😱 The level of depthness in their argument is unfathomable.

@screwupturfmann8611

Жыл бұрын

"Level of depthness" 🤣🤣

@im_preetamkumar

Жыл бұрын

@@screwupturfmann8611oh man , that was *deepness* not depthness, it's a typing error . Well , how your nerd social media campaigns going? why u all people are behaving like desparates , hysterias and Manias ! # fu*king Geeks .

@sujatanaik3848

Жыл бұрын

It's to make understand the Present CJI lord of hell .... What it takes , to legalise the gays marriage or same sex marriage.. Chandra choor seems not to understand anything except for marriage of same sex .

@perseusvlasov367

Жыл бұрын

​@@sujatanaik3848 he finally didn't pass any law, just asked legislation that will include LGBT couple to have other perks and benifits as hetero married couple.

Leaving the incest comment aside as it has no grounds in this debate, the rest is just implementation challenges. Having faith in judiciary, our constitution allows amendments when there is a threat to an individual’s or a community’s fundamental rights. These are good points to be taken care of when implementing the legislation for same-sex marriages, so that the laws do not differiante individuals based on gender/sex based terminology (i.e., husband/wife or father/mother).

@byron2477

Жыл бұрын

Why to leave aside incest argument???

@hitarthnarvala8889

Жыл бұрын

@@byron2477 for 1 it is a completely unrelated topic, and is simply presented to distract the focus of debate. Listen to the judge’s remark “…very far fetched…” The real discussion is about the equality in marriage regardless of gender/sex, which is not something one can choose, In contrast of the choice of partner. Try to understand the thin line that deeply affects the crux of the discussion.

@kvtechvarshney5179

Жыл бұрын

Although I support centre on this case that it shouldn't be legalised but in summary the argument of govt is that too many already written laws would get in trouble if this get recognised. Too much work would have to be done to amend the laws if this is recognised. And ammendment of laws is parliament's function not of courts so at the end court will direct the govt to amend laws related to marriage acc. to homosexual marriage act. And govt. don't wanna do it. So it's better to defeat the argument in the court only so that they don't have to work a lot on those ammendments. They don't have a good argument.

@akilansundaram2181

Жыл бұрын

​@@hitarthnarvala8889 It is not at all an unrelated topic. If a brother and sister are into each other and they are consenting adults, I guess it is only fair that we have no say in what they do in their bedrooms. Even if we are their parents. It is not unrelated. It is also about the right to privacy and they are consenting adults as well!

@hitarthnarvala8889

Жыл бұрын

@@akilansundaram2181 it’s unrelated because that’s not the case about, not every world problem can be addressed in a single court case.

One of the very few moments when you feel proud of being an Indian🇮🇳🇮🇳

@Warlord25

Жыл бұрын

Same sex is against islam that's why you feel proud 😂. Gaddar musalman.

@ankitrai96

Жыл бұрын

I hope you find a cure for your colonial hangover and start finding more reasons to feel proud. Jai Hind 🇮🇳

@ommanmansoor9148

Жыл бұрын

@@ankitrai96 there is no such thing as Colonial hangover. Every state and nation has colonized a piece of land whether small or big. 2 examples of colonization are Kashmir and Hyderabad. Both colonized by you know who. Labelling them AFSPA controlled regions don't change anything

@harshitakori3060

Жыл бұрын

​@@ommanmansoor9148 Kashmir and Hyderabad were not colonized but freed from the forceful occupation of the regions by some community, (you know who). They were, are, and always will be a part of India.

@tusharrao74

Жыл бұрын

@@ommanmansoor9148 Lmao it's not as if the Muslims didn't colonize those places before

J Sai Deepak chilling in the back🗿🗿

Questions are very necessary and important but the answers of these should be found out by society as these are social problem these should be discussed but sources are not the right place to discuss but the conclusion must be made and reached

2:50 dude obviously they would come under the Indian succession act when they are marrying under the special marriage act. Why would they come under the Hindu marriage act or the Hindu succession act?

@varunemani

Жыл бұрын

What if they are Hindu's or their family believes in marriage by Hindu act. Possible hai na?

@altairauditore3782

Жыл бұрын

@@varunemanidude Hinduism as a religion does not recognise same sex marriage. That's just not a thing. So the Hindu marriage act won't apply because the marriage would not be done under hindu customs. Don't get me wrong I am not singling Hinduism out here.. All those three acts won't recognise this because those religions don't recognise it. So they will have to come under special marriage act.

@varunemani

Жыл бұрын

@@altairauditore3782 Oh come on.. are'nt we just going around in circles with this DUDE! My point is would it be entirely upto the induviduals here in India to decide on such a thing (Choice of special marriage act) if their families are orthodox traditional Hindu's and are staunchly against accepting anything else to be considered a lawful marriage.. it's a terrible pickle of a matter and you cant certainly argue / force the entire society or nation to accept a certain special marriage act unless ofcourse all of said society deem it PURPOSEFULLY essential now.

@altairauditore3782

Жыл бұрын

@@varunemani oh this is entirely because amending the special marriage act in this way would grant certain civil and legal rights which were not available before. Societal acceptance may or may not change anyways.

@varunemani

Жыл бұрын

@@altairauditore3782 Civil and legal rights such as..??

Because they have to solve cases so they have to think how it will be affected in complicated situations. In everything there is 2 genders so changing that overnight is an issue. And people will find loopholes so that's why they are arguing in court. You can't change laws overnight it will cause chaos. So he is referring to the situations that will happen. And people in comment section only have to scroll and post there opinions and move on. But the judges and lawyers have to fight in cases using those laws and articles mentioned. Its very easy to find loopholes in Justice system

Is there a video for the counterpart's argument?

Tell me your CJI is woke without telling me he is woke🤷🏽‍♂️

@thenone6945

Жыл бұрын

L comment

@Yashsinghal1804

Жыл бұрын

He has spent around 6-7 years in Britain So that's self explanatory

For the safety of the social structure of the society if few people have to be denied their basic rights, I don't see anything wrong in it. India has a massive population & the scenarios being discussed by the Solicitors Genral are bound to happen.

@abhi_25246

Жыл бұрын

but gay people are harmless, imagine if u are forced to marry the same gender then??? similarly they are also humans

@notditya7274

Жыл бұрын

@@abhi_25246 but that would affect our society, if we allow marriage's now we will see people kissing and shit they do in usa lgbt parades here aswell.

@thewizard555

Жыл бұрын

Would you say that if you belonged to that minority ?

@notditya7274

Жыл бұрын

@@thewizard555 depends if i am blineded by the selfishness of myn desires or not

@cooly2999

Жыл бұрын

The same society accepted Sati, denied Widow Remarriage and women to not wearing Jeans/Tight clothes. Accepted Slavery as well. Societal morality changes by time. If we had the mentality of "save social structures" then the patriarchal and dominating social structures would never have changed.

Recently in kerala ,one man was transformed to a girl and girl transformed to a boy , both got married ,after a few weeks , the girl wgo transformed to a boy , committed suicide ,because of herd partner arrogant life , whethere these people transformed to the real form abide in thier soul. When right time comes up he or she shows real character.same sex marriage should not be leagalise . The media always give importance and they celebrate such kind of things. People must know that ,transfering once gender cant change their real soul and personality, make up has limitations

@_march_egg_

3 ай бұрын

Domestic violence happens in straight marriage. The victims kill themselves. Straight marriage should also not exist by your logic.

His whole argument is who is mother, who is father.. Whhatttt!!? When there r social, economical implications and about rights.

Is J Sai sitting in the back ? I'm really interested to know his point of view on the matter

Both are wife both are husband 😂😂😂

Well, many of the arguments are structured around the biases of a heteronormative society. For example, the "Who will be the wife?" argument does not apply because its definition stems from the preexisting notion that sex & gender roles are inherently linked. Gender is a social construct, and hence no universal aspects are associated with it.

J Sai Deepak spotted.

Dhanyavad sahab ,nice argument

Just like us straight peoples we marry with the gender we like. Why can't they marry with the gender they like??? If I told a straight man to marry another man, marrying a woman is not allowed for you, is that fair for that man?? Who's gonna cook in there kitchen is there business not any buddy else's.