4:53 I actually wouldn't be that surprised if Disney had actually bought such a company. Imagineering has dabbled in transport systems many times, WDW has a lift system, and I wouldn't be that surprised if they had plans to develop them further for their own parks & resorts, or try and get into selling them as systems for others.

@sizanogreen9900

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, they really get their greedy little mouse fingers anywhere they can...

@deleted-something

Жыл бұрын

Same

@brianbeach3024

Жыл бұрын

The timing would have made about sense too for the Skyliner at Walt Disney World

@quillmaurer6563

Жыл бұрын

Possibly - back in the day they were about a lot more than the entertainment industry, Walt Disney wanted to re-imagine the future of all aspects of human civilization, and the Disney World complex was originally intended more as a future civilization testbed than a theme park. "EPCOT," Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow, a planned company-owned city (debatable if this whole idea was utopian or dystopian). Since his death I don't get that sense as much, the EPCOT city plan was abandoned, so that idea feels more plausible in the past than present. There actually was sort of an example of this development of transportation technologies, they designed a linear induction powered train system, the WEDway PeopleMover, which they built as a ride at Disneyland and planned to be the public transit system of EPCOT, but offered as a people mover to other users - the only other user in the end was George Bush Intercontinental Airport in Houston, which to my knowledge is still in use but due for replacement.

@cianor

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't be surprised if the Skyliner was made by one of these companies

My dad always told me that the first stage of building a ski lift was to take a massive reel of cable the size of a house to the top of a mountain then get a couple of big strong blokes to push it off the edge. ....Then it rolls downhill clearing the trees & stuff and wherever the reel ends up is where you build the bottom station.

@CD3MC

Жыл бұрын

If you look up the peak to peak gondola documentary it's comical what they had to do to get the haul cable up to the top of the mountain. Literally rebuilt the road, then connected every vehicle they had together to drag the cable up the mountain.

@cvn6555

Жыл бұрын

Sounds a lot like how they know what the weight limit for a bridge was explained to Calvin by his Dad.

@John-tx1wk

Жыл бұрын

@@cvn6555 Thus far only 19 people, including myself, are old enough to remember the Calvin and Hobbes comic, much less that particular one. I found a website that has all the Calvin and Hobbes comics and lists when they were in the paper. The bridge comic was from November 26, 1986. "Dear, if you don't know the answer, just tell him!"

@cvn6555

Жыл бұрын

@@John-tx1wk I always figured that the dad was getting a little payback on his son for all the stuff he pulled. I must admit I did the same to my own kids on several occasions. Telling outlandish fabrications has been one of the greatest joys of fatherhood.

@elliottheckard3960

Жыл бұрын

@@John-tx1wk what’s this website that sounds awesome

Currently works in a smaller ski resort. Most of our lifts are Doppelmayr (Including our two 4-seaters) but now I now i finally realized why the small button lift in the kids area is unoffically known as Poma. Fun fact: It's more common for small resorts to buy used lifts than brand new ones. Our "new" 4-seater is 20 years old, even though it was opened less than a month ago.

@zaphod4245

Жыл бұрын

I think Poma have a patent on the button lift design, so they've become known as Poma lifts as well because only Poma build them. Honestly I vastly prefer them to T-bars, I've skied more in France than anywhere else where button lifts are common and T-bars are almost non existent, but when I have been to places with t-bars I've hated them lol

@Victor-cu5uj

Жыл бұрын

@@zaphod4245 I think the patent has expired, since at least one of our button lifts are from Doppelmayr. I much prefer them too, at least from a work perspective as it's much easier to get small kids used to button lifts compared to the T-bars

@zaphod4245

Жыл бұрын

@@Victor-cu5uj So I went and did some more digging into this, and so the term "Poma lift" only refers to the button lifts which are detatchable from the cable, which you grab at the bottom and then they attatch and you go. Poma holds a patent for their design of that, and have done since 1936, so no other company can build those dtatchable surface lifts. But Poma don't have a patent for the 'button' design, so Doppelmayr do make button lifts, but theirs are fixed to the cable and have an extendable spring loaded cable that you pull down. Poma also make lifts like that as well as the detatchable ones, but the Doppelmayr button lifts at your resort must be the fixed type then?

@luc4662

Жыл бұрын

@@zaphod4245 wow, so THAT's the reason for the two design, so cool ! Personally, I find the Poma-style easier to use (the ones with a spring loaded coiled rope can be hard to grab IMO), but mostly I find their engineering really awesome... The entire reason the rigid rod advance with the cable as opposed to sliding backward is thanks to the weight of the rider, which increases friction between the attachment point and the cable. I think it's very clever.

@runeraid1561

Жыл бұрын

Huh. My local resort just upgraded a 4 seater to an express lift and sold the old one to another resort. Wonder if you’re the one who got it lol

Today's fact: 4% of the sand on Normandy beach is made up of shrapnel from D-Day that has broken down.

@E-dart

Жыл бұрын

Interesting

@gebert87

Жыл бұрын

X

@thatdude9091

Жыл бұрын

Together, we can increase this.

@bradj977

Жыл бұрын

​@@thatdude9091yes.

@djscottdog1

Жыл бұрын

Thats definitely not true , if it was it wpuld be worth mining it.

Hti group and dopelmayer group both have their headquaters in Austria. I think that is a relativ interesting fact that wasnt mentioned in the video.

@georghauer7811

Жыл бұрын

I thought the same... a major missed chance to make an unfunny joke about Kangaroos 😀

@racecarrik

Жыл бұрын

@@georghauer7811 Austria has kangaroos?! No way!

@luipaardprint

Жыл бұрын

@@racecarrik yes, I see them all the time when I go snowboarding there.

@zaphod4245

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. Like the wendover ski resort video this is a purely US centred view of ski resorts. Shame really as it neglects the fact that Europe has far more ski resorts and has far bigger ones than the US or Canada. And the resorts here (for the most part) have far more modern and better maintained lift systems, destination resorts in Europe have very few if any fixed grip chairlifts nowadays, but they're painfully common still in even the biggest and most famous American destination resorts. Perhaps a video on the differences in the economics and operation of European vs North American resorts would be interesting.

@aciidphreeek

Жыл бұрын

@@zaphod4245 About sums up Wendover.... don't think he's ever spent more than a few months outside the great big US-of-A

This can definitely be said about most things. But speaking from personal experience, there’s a lot more going on working on ski resorts than people give credit for. I was on the snow building team but naturally got a peek into the operation as a whole.

@brettvv7475

Жыл бұрын

@Correct Begone BOT!

@tommyfrank5896

Жыл бұрын

I got a degree in Ski Area Management and I can confirm this. This video could be almost an hour going over every single standards of building a ski lift in America

@neonsprawl8009

Жыл бұрын

You missed a glorious joke by not saying a "peak into the operation"

@Erik_Arnqvist

Жыл бұрын

​@@neonsprawl8009 True... :)

@rachel705

Жыл бұрын

@@tommyfrank5896 You can get a degree in that?? From where? Did it turn out to be a good choice for you?

Me, a liftie watching this on my lunch break: Seems about right, but I’m disappointed that you didn’t mention how heavy the cables themselves are

@cvn6555

Жыл бұрын

I watched a video last year about the splicing of the ends of the lift cable. Incredible. Rode on lifts for decades but never thought about it.

@bodimarzka3682

5 ай бұрын

Hey there! I know this is kind of late but I’m actually currently building the Challenger lift in Sun Valley, ID. It uses a 56 mm steel cable that (when on its spool) weighs 150,000 pounds. To pull the haul rope we actually use dyneema first, then 3/8 steel cable, then 1 1/8 cable, and then finally the haul rope. That way it can handle the stress and weight of the haul rope when we pull it using a beefy winch. 🤙

@Slenderman12342

Ай бұрын

Ayyyyy dirtbag lifty let's go. I also built a ski lift shits hard as fuck

When you said Disney I totally believed you at first because of the Skyliner they installed at WDW around that time. Totally makes sense that Imagineering would've acquired a brand like that lol.

@ilovewindex487

Жыл бұрын

The sky liner was built by doppelmayr

This makes me think of the elevator industry. I've worked in the AEC industry for quite some time, and I can't recall ever seeing a project that had something other than an Otis or a Thyssenkrupp elevator, and I can't remember ever being on an elevator and noticing it was something different. Maybe an idea for a future video?

@quuxjn2452

Жыл бұрын

Interresting. Here in Switzerland virtually every elevator and escalator is made by 'Schindler' or their daughter company 'AS Aufzüge'.

@draskocis

Жыл бұрын

Yup, ThyssenKrupp and Schindler everywhere in Europe

@schwig44

Жыл бұрын

@@draskocis damn, most americans have never heard of thyssenkrupp, and those that have know them as the place to go for white and red metals like aluminum and copper, respectively, and their alloys. Never knew they had a division doing elevators.

@jonas1015119

Жыл бұрын

@@schwig44 they have a giant elevator testing tower in germany, I think Tom Scott did a video on it

@timowagner1329

Жыл бұрын

@@quuxjn2452 yes, came to say Schindler is important too, afaik the second largest elevator manufacturer in the world. Also there is a fourth giant, KONE.

Last week I rode up with the head maintenance guy for my main ski resort and it's interesting cause he was telling me about how small resorts like them have to start getting the licenses and qualifications to self certify most things otherwise it would be so expensive that they would go out of business. Interesting guy and a interesting career

@tommyfrank5896

Жыл бұрын

Rewarding career I love every day of my job as a ski lift mechanic

@garrettboersma2566

Жыл бұрын

@@tommyfrank5896 If I may ask, if you went to college, what did you get your degree in?

@cvn6555

Жыл бұрын

That sort of thing has happened in nearly every industry. The heavy hitters encourage legislation that makes it extremely expensive, given the economies of scale, for the little guys to comply. Legislators love these regulations because they can claim to be protecting the public and point to the support from many in the industry. In reality, it is logrolling for the big guys to eliminate their competition. You are seeing it happen in health care as reimbursement rates are better for the largest regional healthcare providers and, being enormous, they can spread out the compliance costs over far more patient encounters. This is why so many local hospitals have had to sell out to the big, faceless, soulless regionals- the system has been rigged against them.

@tommyfrank5896

Жыл бұрын

@@garrettboersma2566 Ski Area Management. It’s an associate program at Gogebic College in Michigan

@jthomp997

Жыл бұрын

@@garrettboersma2566 the guy I talked too told me there's one at Oregon (might've been Oregon state) specifically in lift maintenance/mechanics

Fun fact: Doppelmayr and Leitner are from Vorarlberg and South Tyrol (directly on the border to Austria). I find it funny that two companies, nearly both from Austria cornered the whole Skilift market. You don't see that in too many industries.

@marcojauner1652

Жыл бұрын

The other two companies, who are the other completebuilders are located in Flums, Switzerland (35 Km from Doppelmayr away) and Poma in Grenoble, France

@gabriel.33

Жыл бұрын

@@marcojauner1652 but Poma is owned Leitner AG since 2000

@maximvf

Жыл бұрын

Herrenknecht and Lovat are similar, these two gathered everything else in TBM market.

@DoppelmayrSeilbahnen

Жыл бұрын

@@marcojauner1652 Bartholet of Flums has been taken over by HTI in 2022 ;)

@jacktattersall9457

Жыл бұрын

@@maximvf Lovat was bought by Caterpillar, whcih exited the TBM business. The big player other than German Herrenknecht is American Robbins.

It would be cool to see a video like this about snowmakeing at ski reports, and the companies that make the snow guns! I think it would be a really interesting and something not to many people know about

@graffie88

Жыл бұрын

It’s not magic 😂 it’s air and water mixed at high pressure pushed out a tiny nozzle to produce a crystal it has a binding agent added (non toxic and environmentally friendly) so it sticks together and becomes more dense making pack snow, as for the types of snowmaking equipment you got fan guns stick guns and portable snow guns and some even have high temperature nozzles so resorts can make snow in temperatures that are milder then they used to!

@mmc4654

Жыл бұрын

FunFact: The HTI Group does not only offer ropeways (Leitner / Poma), but also snow groomers (Prinoth) and sow cannons (DemacLenco)

Its always weird to see the industry I work in talked about because its something 99% of people dont think about at all. The logistics for working on ski resorts is massive but most of it takes place in a way that the public never sees.

Awesome look into this industry. I worked for Poma back in the late 90s through mid 2000s. Absolutely the best job ever. We built all the new lifts at Killington and the gondola at Gore Mountain. Fly day was always the best with Carson and Ericsson heavy lift helicopters. Never a dull moment!

@Slenderman12342

Ай бұрын

I built a new ski lift with them this year first time doing a construction job. Was so hard but damn the cool shit you see and do is unreal.

As someone who worked at Disney world in the skyliner section. This video had made much more sense to me then any of my colleagues explained to me. Once again this video was very helpful for information use thank you

@poulette2937

Жыл бұрын

did they ever talk about buying skytrac though ?

4:26 weirdly america-centric choice of a factoid here given that the parent companies are also within a few hours of each other in europe

its both funny but also super weird for me, a european, to see how skiing in the us is. ski patrol on the slopes keeping people in check, passes that work sort of like a drivers license that can be revoked and things like that. while the lifts are mostly older models and many people dont even put the bar down. in comparison to europe, the skiing in the slopes is not controlled at all, yet the lifts are super modern and the bar goes down automatically at some as well. (note: most of my us knowledge is from videos on yt and only some from friends that have actually skied in the us)

@d.jensen5153

Жыл бұрын

derfetch: You're right about not putting the bar down. Sometimes my wife or daughter will put it down but I rarely do. As far as modernity goes, I haven't been on a non-detachable chairlift in many years. Who has the time?? Finally, there are rules about skiing slowly on the bunny runs or near the bottom of the lifts. But on the intermediate and advanced runs beyond the bunny slopes...I've never heard a person say a thing. My GPS receiver informs me that I often ski 74 mph (119 kmh) on a run called Paradise.

Can't be a coincidence that HAI and Adam something just made videos back to back about gondolas?

@quuxjn2452

Жыл бұрын

Yes but they are not really comparable. HAI was just like: "Maybe you don't know about this so let me introduce it to you" and Adam just completely roasted them.

@yeetyeet7070

Жыл бұрын

Did you see Adam Somethings uninformed video about nuclear power? He talks waay too much about shit he knows nothing about. still watching him after that video is kinda cringe dude

@Cal90208

Жыл бұрын

@@yeetyeet7070 Can you send a link? What Adam?

@vytah

Жыл бұрын

@@yeetyeet7070 What was wrong with that video? Except for the Masterworks sponsorship of course.

@soundscape26

Жыл бұрын

@@vytah Yeah, I find it quite ironic Adam being sponsored by something like Masterworks. 😄

HTI and Doppelmayer both have their headquaters in Austria

@nilsekluund

Жыл бұрын

And that's why all ski resorts in Austria have brand new 8 seats chairlifts

As a skier this is the first funny and genuinely interesting video about something. I'm still waiting for the "Bricks" one!!

@Jtowchi

Жыл бұрын

They made a bricks one

@EebstertheGreat

Жыл бұрын

The bricks video is on Nebula.

@davidjackson148

Жыл бұрын

@@EebstertheGreat but is wasn't a serious and proper one it was just some joke thing

@EebstertheGreat

Жыл бұрын

@@davidjackson148 But we got to learn a lot about standard-size modern steel die-extruded bricks attributed to Cyrus Chambers but actually invented in St. Petersburg 69 years earlier. We learned about the first fired bricks in history in the walled Chengtoushan settlement in Hunan province in 4400 BC. We learned about the sun-dried mud bricks in Aswan in the 8th millennium BC. We learned about mortar and about the Flemish bonding method. We learned how to make our own bricks out of rice hulls, clay-rich dirt, sand, and water. We even got to hear about the Belden 503-505 modular and the Belden 830 Jumbo Norman slim bricks. What more could you want?

@davidjackson148

Жыл бұрын

@@EebstertheGreat have I missed a video? The one I saw didn't have any of that in. I think I have to check or rewatch

I was curious to see if this also applied to the sky buckets that you see at amusement parks and from what I could find most of them where built by von roll holding AG which was acquired by Doppelmayr back in 1996.

@mmc4654

Жыл бұрын

Von Roll was one of the first companies to introduce detachable lifts / gondolas. Until the 1980s, there were numerous manufacturers of ropeway systems, with Von Roll being the market leader for a long time. Then a period of market consolidation began, with smaller companies being acquired. Von Roll lost its grip and has been sold to Doppelmayr. The Duopoly emerged around the millennium, especially with the fusion of Poma and Leitner (now HTI) and the fusion of Doppelmayr and Garaventa

@CBF1

Жыл бұрын

@@mmc4654 Von Roll built the world's first detachable chairlift in Flims Laax Falera in Switzerland in 1945. It was replaced in 1986. The lift that's there now(a Garaventa) is also doomed... Modern ski lifts are just evil as are the manufacturers. I'd much rather have 30+ local manufacturers(which is what we had over 40 years ago) than just 4 global bastards.

4:57 why did i believe that as an actual possibility lmao

Interesting to know why the old J-bar I used to ride was called a 'poma,' and why the towers that I go past on chair lifts all say 'riblet' on them.

I wish this would have been a full Wendover video, as it could also probably have prevent quite some issues and misleading information

Sidenote : the first try in urban transportation by Poma was the Poma2000 in Laon, France, built in the 80s. It was a 1.5km 3-stations long automated mini-metro meant to create a link between the high and low parts of the city. It worked for almost 30 years before being stopped due to its high cost of operation for a 25k inhabitants city. It was pushed by the government at the same time as the still-developped VAL and the iconic ARAMIS program which was shut down before reaching its end but offered an enormous legacy for automatisation of transit.

3:15 in the background you can see the label "Girak". Girak is a former Austrian ski-lift company and was famous in central and eastern europe. They produced fix gripped chairlifts as well as detachable chair- and gondola lifts. When Girak was absorbed by Garaventa in 1996, they started building surface lifts like t-bars, too. Finally, Doppelmayr took over Garaventa in 2002 which led to their breaktrough in the international ropeway construction industry.

@delinquente1444

Жыл бұрын

Why do you have this knowledge

@Brickabrac

Жыл бұрын

@@delinquente1444 I study history

@delinquente1444

Жыл бұрын

@@Brickabrac this is not history wtfthis is trivia

@Dave_Sisson

Жыл бұрын

Doppelmayr was building ski lifts long before then. They built their first double chairlift in 1964 at a ski resort in Australia or all places, and they were building surface lifts for years before that.

@Brickabrac

Жыл бұрын

@@Dave_Sisson i never denied that. I said Doppelmayr merged with Garaventa (which took over Girak earlier) which was Doppelmayr's breaktrough in the International ropeway construction industry

Super cool! I actually toured the doppelmayr factory in Salt Lake City a week or so ago, cool stuff!

Like the wendover ski resort video this is a purely US centred view of ski resorts. Shame really as it neglects the fact that Europe has far more ski resorts and has far bigger ones than the US or Canada. And the resorts here (for the most part) have far more modern and better maintained lift systems, destination resorts in Europe have very few if any fixed grip chairlifts nowadays, but they're painfully common still in even the biggest and most famous American destination resorts. Perhaps a video on the differences in the economics and operation of European vs North American resorts would be interesting.

@christophsaviation2045

Жыл бұрын

Finally someone who names it. I am used to ski resorts like Vorarlberg with multiple hundreds of kilometres of slope and I was really stunned when I saw what Americans called a „big“ king area. Also here we have 6-8 seat chairlifts with sometimes heated seating and stuff while in the US and Canada I discovered they didn’t even slow down at the station for most of them.

@mack.attack

Жыл бұрын

@@christophsaviation2045 ?? Not sure where you were but 6 seat chairs that slow down in the station are extremely common here in Utah

@jul7985

Жыл бұрын

Couldn't agree more. I was confused when he said "typical four person chairlift" bc most chairlifts in Europe have 6-8 person capacity, combined with automatic bars and heated seating...

@jthomp997

Жыл бұрын

You're only thinking of east coast resorts. West coast resorts are among the best between Canada, Alaska, Utah, and the Pacific NW. Most of these have the latest technology along side europe.

@mack.attack

Жыл бұрын

Part of the reason ski areas are not as extensive in the US is because a ski area extending over ridge after ridge of mountains with development and lifts all over the place would be perceived as a colossal eyesore and a bit of a rape of public unspoiled wilderness here. People already find the scale of Vail and PCMR appalling here.

It's crazy to see my hometown on this channel. Grand junction deserves its own history video with the crazy shit that's happened there

The Mi Teleferico system in La Paz, Bolivia is amazing! I used to live there and it offers such a quick and beautiful commute.

That reminds me of this one old chair lift at a place I used to ski with my family. It didn't slow down on the turn, so the operator had to this well-timed push-forward-hold-back manoeuvre to slow the swinging seat down enough to let skiiers get on without having their legs accidentally amputated! It was on one of the more difficult slopes though so they weren't expecting beginner skiers to have to deal with it 😛

@Josh.Davidson

Жыл бұрын

There weren’t detachable lifts until the mid 80s or so.

Along with half as interesting facts, Sam teaches us how to make the best and most efficient use of stock footage, on this channel.

June to October: *ignores half of the planet*

Interesting theory/story tangent to this: I went skiing at my favorite place in northern Michigan between the holidays and got to see their new slope and lift layout. Both of their newest lifts are three person lifts, which doesn’t really make sense since most people ski in even number of groups so there would either be one person who would have to ride up alone or there would be an open seat on most chairs. The theory I have is that the 3 person width better accommodates for two snowboarders who’s boards take up more space under the chair than skis. Or maybe it’s just cheaper that 4 person lifts.

I'm just on a skiing holiday. And exactly yesterday I've wondered, how do they build these Lifts. So thanks😂

Me, who has only seen snow twice in my life: neat.

This makes sense and it happens with every industry. Someone creates a market, if it profitable new companies will keep joining, until it is no longer profitable. Then the only way to grow is to acquiring the existent companies or to inovate. Just think about how many car brands you know that were absorved by other groups and how many new brands we see appearing? The markets are not elastic, up to a certain point no new companies will be able to operate, especially when you require experience as a way to sell your product.

New drinking game: drink every time he says “dopplemeier garaventa group”

Watching your video is really interesting because just like you I also learned to ski in the US and last year I decided to give Europe a go. Went to Zermatt and Courchevel and absolutely loved it. This year I’ve planned a Europe ski trip to explore more resorts. I definitely like Europe better since there’s better quality food, good apres skiing, walkable towns without the need for a car, and more affordable lift tickets like you said. The only downside is that snow isn’t reliable like the US. And yes, there isn’t always one gondola or lift that takes you all the way to the top. You kind of need to connect and usually remove skis before you can get in the gondola which is annoying

Let's address the elephant in the room; during WW1 Austria and Italy had this thing where they were fighting in the Alps and they built countless ropeways to transport military equipment, personnel, and just about everything else to the battlefield and back. After the war was over, the two countries had plenty of ropeway engineers, the necessary supply chains, and people needed to build them. So while Doppelmayr (an Austrian company) and Leitner (an Italian company) could just hire those people to design and build ski lifts, other companies had to pretty much invent everything from scratch, which is why they had so many accidents and why these two companies eventually took over the entire ropeway market.

@DoppelmayrSeilbahnen

Жыл бұрын

Doppelmayr built its first ski lifts in 1937 - that's almost 20 years after the end of WW1. We came from cutting gears and building common elevators in houses.

@thekrakenrises9040

Жыл бұрын

@@DoppelmayrSeilbahnen wait are you actually the Doppelmayr company's KZread channel? thanks for the information, but it's quite rare to see corporations interacting with KZread comments on random vidoes haha :)

@hitnovak

Жыл бұрын

@@DoppelmayrSeilbahnen Yes, both companies only started major ropeway production much later (although Leitner did make a few ropeways even before WW1). However, the Alpine region has long been the centre of ropeway development, and with over 1700 km or ropeways built during WW1 and countless important innovations, the region offers a unique opportunity for ropeway technology.

One thing I have long wondered over is just exactly how they get those kilometer long free hanging cables up mountains?

@Panakotta000

Жыл бұрын

The pull a light small cable or rope using a helicopter... the lift them up over the supports... then the attach a new slightly bigger cable to the end of that thing cable/rope and pull it up the hill... the repeat this multiple times till they then pull the final cable if you have a wide span without a support in between, sometimes climbers have to get to some places to install temporary protections so that the cable doesnt slide across the ground and getting damaged... so the install some rolles on necessary places... once enough force is applied to the cable so it spans the area freely, those protections will get removed

@herrensaar1989

Жыл бұрын

Usually drrag the roll to the bottom, and slowly fly it up the mountain with a chopper, splicing new cble in every few kilometers

Duopoly on a relative low volume product will indeed lead to very high prices. I never thought about how much goes into building the complete ski lift and that it has to be done during a specific time of the year. Interesting.

@cvn6555

Жыл бұрын

It's like anything when you buy a name-brand product. You pay more for the name. BUT that name comes with a lot of experience and engineering. You buy a Porsche and you pay far more than what comparable vehicles cost but, the insane attention to detail and highest levels of engineering make them not really comparable to other vehicles.

@Homer-OJ-Simpson

Жыл бұрын

@@cvn6555 The difference is that I have options besides Porsche such as BMW, Audi, Mercedes Ben., Ferrari, Jaguar, Aston Martin, Bentley, Lamborghini,etc. Porsche must continue to innovate or keep prices in check where as in a duopoly, less inovaton and less prices checking is done.

@cvn6555

Жыл бұрын

@@Homer-OJ-Simpson These choices are not all the same, though. Quite a few of those are not suitable as daily drivers nor are they dependable. Driving dynamics and feel will not be equal to a Porsche. Or you will be spending ludicrous amounts of money for something that is marginally better in a few ways but worse in others. No other company makes vehicles with the combination of performance, feel, reliability and relative value that Porsche does. And their history of innovation is widely known. You know what you are getting and you are getting that which can not be duplicated elsewhere. Same thing with going to a place like Disney- you know you are being charged way more than other places but nobody does it as well and you can't get the experience elsewhere. Same with these lift providers- nobody else has the same history, capability, reliability, etc.

What a coincidence, I am making plans to do an internship somewhere in the USA or Canada for my study. And on my top 5 list I’ve written Doppelmayr and Leitner-Poma as potential companies I think I want to solicit at.

No mention of Von Roll. The inventor of the detachable monocable grip in 1945 known as the VR 101 still in use today. Von Roll was a huge innovator in the ropeway industry. The inventor of the 3s system, breaking systems on aerial trams,funicular and detachable monocable ropeways. Doppelmayr still uses Von Roll technology in there lifts today.

@CBF1

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I think we know a bit more about these lifts... It's depressing how people don't find these mechanical works of art interesting. All that most people are interested in these days are the un-interesting crap that they see on TV all the time...

Always love learning about some random market here and seeing that it's also a duopoly like everything else.

Hong Konh Ngong Ping 360 was built by Leitner, now under HTI. There's no snow in HK, but typhoons in summer and the 5.7km/ 3.5 mile system must traverse high altitude country parks with only 9 pylons. The pylons were made large, super sturdy and flown in in pieces with the S-64 Skycrane helicopter! All had to be completed quickly before typhoons arrived.

Gosh it would be SO COOL for my island to have one or two lift lines over to Oakland- we are between two BART stations on the mainland, but getting to them by bus or car is very messy. I worked it all out. There is a large college campus at the north end ot the island and about 2 miles as the cable car flies to the West Oakland BART station, where one could go from curbside to platform level in about 6.5 minutes at average cable ca speed. On the south end of the island the easement would be more difficult but it would connect to the Fruitvale BART station where there is a 'transit village'. There are spots all over the BART system where a one or two mile cable car system would reach tens of thousands of riders who now take surface transportation. A cable car gondola across the Bay would be awesome for transit and tourism.

Super cool that you mentioned Grand Junction! It’s an awesome place!

I watch this on Nebula before it's KZread release! Can you do people movers next? Like the PHX Skytrain and/or urban installations such as the Miami Metro mover.

@tyler976

Жыл бұрын

or the SMF APM

Don't forget about CTEC (who was bought by Garaventa, and then by Doppelmeyer), they are the ones who put Riblet and Yan out of business.

You should've done a video on the cable splicers. I'm interested

@cvn6555

Жыл бұрын

There is an excellent one on YT. Saw it a year or so ago. Only a handful of people in the world are qualified and it takes a huge team of people to make it happen.

Nice timing for me. I just went skiing in Åre, Sweden and they just built a new lift to renlaven an old from the 70s.

Oh, how cool that Doppelmayr is right here in MY state, Utah, whose 127th birthday was just yesterday (01/04/2023) from when I'm watching this video, where the ski slogan is "Greatest snow on Earth" and where the 2002 Winter Olympics were held!

Funny fact about the two companies is that they both come from the same region of Italy, namely South Tyrol. Initially the ropeways were used them to carry building material to mountain shelter and private people that may not have a street connecting the house to the Main Street during winter due to snow and rugged terrain. Both companies now have different offices around the world, but they were both founded within 2h drive from one another. One of them, the Leitner Poma is also a duopoly in the snow making industry and the snow cat industry.

@bbarber1066

Жыл бұрын

Leitner as a snowcat duopoly? Idk about Europe but Pistenbully and Prinoth reign Supreme in the US.

@Simsen3142

Жыл бұрын

Doppelmayr originated in Vorarlberg in Austria and Garaventa originated in Switzerland, so this company does not come from italy But yes, Leitner was founded in South Tyrol

@fastSPX_90

Жыл бұрын

Poma originates from somewhere in the french alps

@fabianreusch4870

Жыл бұрын

@@bbarber1066 yes, Pistenbully is probably the most common snowcat here in europe too. It has a partly german name after all...

@keithscothern3398

Жыл бұрын

@@bbarber1066 prinoth is owned byLP

Was at copper mountain today, saw doppelmayr written on some of the newer lifts.

Poma is also a lift company. Killington has a fixed-grip quad by poma, and a high speed quad by Poma.

Any other skiers and snowboarders shudder when they hear the name Poma and bring back memories of being dragged behind one because you fell, hanging on for dear life until you had to let go, hearing the plastic excuse of a seat snap back into the pole above you, and taking the walk of shame?

Shout out Banff sunshine village, place of work! they have one of the newest heated bubble lifts in Canada.

Next video: why gondolas that travel through water, and gondolas the travel through air, share the same English word.

You started with copper mountain, and I had flashbacks due to the concussion I got there the first day of skiing in December 2021. (Ouch!)

they ALSO have to X-ray the weightbearing components every year, even in small eastern ski resorts!

When discussing overhead tramways don't forget the cable ore hauling systems used in mining in the 19th and 20th centuries. They were far less expensive than grading a road in rugged terrain, and they could be gravity powered because, unlike chairlifts and passenger gondolas, they most often transported their downhill instead of uphill. As for snow skiing, it has gotten prohibitively expensive for the average skier. When I started skiing one of the local resorts was charging $5 for a midweek lift pass, and they charged the princely sum of $7 on weekends. Another nearby resort was around $12. A $20 bill paid for a lift pass and on-mountain ski rental. When that resort raised their price to $20 for a day pass I felt scandalized! Today they charge $159 for a day pass. Oof! And don't forget that these are summer resorts as well. One summer in the 1990's I was hiking to a 10,000 foot+ peak when I heard a helicopter approaching. I wondered where it was when it ripped just a few feet off the ground and over the saddle/pass where I was standing and plunged down the other side. It had been contracted to install lift poles on a hillside to the west of where I was hiking. There was a fuel truck in the parking lot that would add fuel after every trip up the slope so the chopper didn't have to sacrifice load capacity by carrying a full tank. It looked like a Bell Huey, but it may have been a Bell 412.

Defiantly: Not as hard as getting off one lol especially when you are new skier like me.

@mirzaahmed6589

Жыл бұрын

It's "definitely". Defiantly means something quite different.

@daniyal-syed

Жыл бұрын

Definitely not as hard as spelling definitely right.

@imveryangryitsnotbutter

Жыл бұрын

Defiantly less difficult than definitely flaunting the rules of spelling.

@lucasplz2429

Жыл бұрын

​@@mirzaahmed6589 no it doesn't mean something quite different it means something done in a resistant or disobedient (defiant) nature

@P4hko

Жыл бұрын

Ain't hard at all just stand up. But as whit everything whit skies when you get scared nothing works as you want. Do some meditation or somthing and control you emotions and you have passed 80% of the way to succes

Ok just today, I watched a a video and one of the clips in that video had a precariously placed ski lift in it - and I wondered how they even got up there, and then this was posted! A strange but welcome surprise 😅

Could have stopped at Disney, and I _definitely_ would have believed you with no questions asked.

4:30 haha the cable splicer lives in my home town

I am right by copper mountain right now. Family ski trip just checked in a couple hours ago. Want timing!

The most difficult part of this video was convincing the viewer that a duopoly was at all shocking under late stage capitalism.

Cool to see Doppelmayr in an HAI video!!

The coolest ski lift is Klein Matterhorn in Zermatt. They had to ship thousands of tonnes of concrete mixed with anti freeze up the mountain by helicopter in massive tanks to an altitude of almost 4000m. Bare in mind this was in the mid 1970's.

Nice flying bullwheel at 5:06

3:46 For some reason I thought you meant the chairmen of the company murdered people, so I'm glad you added the graphic of the chairlift lol.

I've mainly been to top tier resorts in the austrian and swiss alps and 95% of more modern lifts and dopplemayer

Fun fact: The smallest Doppelmayr gondola system is installed in Riegersburg/Austria at the Zotter Schokolademanufaktur, a local chocolate manufacturer. When you make a tour through the production site - which is a very popular leisure activity probably because you can taste and eat as much chocolate as you want in hundreds of variations - at one station you will be served with bars of drinking chocolate by a Doppelmayr system. You select your favourite chocolate bar from a gondola passing by, hand it to a bartender and he/she will prepare the chocolate drink for you.

As a engineer that works at ski resort planning and cable cars... it's a really acurate explanation. Congrats! If you're interested, happens the same with the industries of snowmaking and snowgroomers (sorry bad englinsh, non native person)

@marcojauner1652

Жыл бұрын

Prinoth (Snowgroomers) Demaclenko (snowcannons) are also HTI. Plus the last own company (Bartholet) was also bought by HTI in May 2022.

In Bulgaria we have lots of resorts but one gondola here has like 47 support towers with two mid stations from 1983

Wait why the hell is cable splicing so hard and why are there only like 3 people that can do it?

@BB_Sebring

Жыл бұрын

I mean, how many people want to be liable for ski lifts that carry hundreds of thousands if not millions of skiers and snowboarders annually?

@syriuszb8611

Жыл бұрын

It's probably not. It's just that you don't need that many people to do this since there are not that many cables to be spliced of that size. There are more workers splicing cables or ropes of different diameter. Why they don't use those other workers? Probably because why would they those two companies hire more than one or two splicers each, since they use them like four times a year or something? If the need and will would arise, there could be thousands of splicers for those ropes after few years of training.

Actually Haifa had developed a gondola for transportation, It goes from the central bus station at sea level to the 2 universities, that are on the mountain

@DoppelmayrSeilbahnen

Жыл бұрын

We are really proud of the Rakavlit cable car! A very useful installation for the students and commuters in Haifa.

@ShurikB93

Жыл бұрын

@@DoppelmayrSeilbahnen I love it, I can go there with my bike. It is so awesome

3:47 - lmao, that edit tho.

I think in switzerland we have our own skilift conpany, SISAG :D I think they only monitor them though

@marcojauner1652

Жыл бұрын

Bartholet in Flums, went sadly to HTI in May 2022

I'd love to see urban transit ski lifts. It would be so awesome to be able to commute by air!

The austrian Dual-Monarchy of Ski Lifts

@LucaPasini2

Жыл бұрын

Kind of: Leitner is based in Sterzing, in South Tyrol, Italy

@majorfallacy5926

Жыл бұрын

@@LucaPasini2 I think hti is austrian and poma is french, so basically it's alps all the way down.

@LucaPasini2

Жыл бұрын

@@majorfallacy5926 Leitner recently also acquired other Italian manifacturers, such as Agudio

@BlaudracheLP

Жыл бұрын

@@LucaPasini2 HTI sits in Linz and South Tyrol is Austria :^)

@LucaPasini2

Жыл бұрын

@@BlaudracheLP At least the EU is doing a good job at making these disputes useless

Nice video. Sad timing with the tragic accident in park city, a tree fell on a lift and a ski patrol member died. just another challenge to this operation

I love it when my home town gets a shot out! Gj ftw!

@eeyjug9849

Жыл бұрын

I was so shocked too. Had no idea we were so important to ski lifts lol

Just in time of 2 of my 3 immediate ski area are or completed new Gondals and chair lifts, at least 1 i know of is Dopplemayr. Always doesn't Volkswagon actually manufacture Gondolas as well? I thought they make the MOnt-Tremblanc ski Gondolas. Maybe they we're jsut advertising? But what's cool is they make a lift for cars in slovakia. Yel, Car chair lift gondola.

4:55 Lol.. Yeah, you got me. Stupid Disney!!

been shredding Sunshine Village since I was 2!

This is definitely my fav one of Sam's videos now: I'm a nerd about Ski Lifts...

I broke my arm snowboarding on the new year, and the next video you make is about the topic

I can only try and imagine big countries in Europe or North America slowly adding this. Especially in regions that host similar weather conditions (just thinking about the durability of the equipment). Because I cannot imagine trying to rigorously test this in the super hot and humid conditions in other places in the same exact locations for those countries. But I'm definitely willing to see pedestrian infrastructure like this rolled out in large and smaller amounts.

Doppelmayr is in every ski resort I have ever visited (mostly Austria and switzerland)

Nice of you to make it seem like both groups, which are headquartered in and mostly made of European companies, are American…

I kinda wish this was a full wendover vid

Dude, u gotta make a video on La Paz, Bolivia's lifts instalked by Doppepmeyer.

Cool. Didn’t realize the name Dopplermayr that I see on Utah chairlifts was made in my home state. Makes sense.

As someone who works at a ski resort I am reliant on ski lifts, and I respect this awesome infrastructure. (Also we only have Leitner six seaters)

Lives and worked at a ski resort a few years back while a company called Dopplemayer was installing a ski lift there. It was really dope to watch them flying the pieces up with the helicopter every day all summer.

Ha, ok you got me with the Disney line. I was like OMFG ARE YOU SERIOUS?! Oh.. he’s not.. 😅😅😅

As someone who trains lift operators I kind of like that there's only 2 companies, each one has their own control scheme that's pretty much universal between generations but not between manufacturers, for example on most Pomas "Emergency Stop" means deploy the emergency brake, with Doppelmayr it means aggressive electric braking, if you need the emergency brake on a Doppelmayr you need to push "Emergency Shutdown", this is one of many differences that would become nightmarish from a training perspective if there were tons of different manufacturers with tons of different ideas on how to control a chairlift. Also one of the many reasons you typically see resorts buying one or the other and rarely both.

HAI learned about economies of scale and is now obsessed lol