Another chilling detail about Secretariat's poem: The poem switches from third person ("His feet shift, teeter-totter"), to second-person ("You're flying now, you see things much more clear than from the ground"), to first-person ("Before I leaped I should've seen the view from halfway down"). It's counting down, three, two, one.

@bnuuy2

Жыл бұрын

great observation!

@psychomanatee3459

Жыл бұрын

Another way to interpret it is that its the disassociation people might have when they're about to end their life, but the closer and closer Secretariat got to death, the more he wasn't able to disassociate himself from the situation and realized that **he** was going to die. It went from "He's really gonna do it" to "you know there's no turning back" to "oh God, I'm about to die"

@fish_birb

Жыл бұрын

The View From Halfway Down never ceases to give me chills. As someone who never attempted suicide (had lingering thoughts of it though), the poem and the scene genuinely haunts me to this day. Like a KZread comment I saw of the scene says, a good series should comfort the disturbed and disturb the comfortable.

@fighter0056

Жыл бұрын

Wow

@emmab4587

Жыл бұрын

oh my GOD

As a person who lives with depression, Bojack taught me one of the most important lessons I've ever learned: Life can sometimes be good, sometimes can be bad, and neither of those last forever. But it is worth living.

@Snarl_Marx

Жыл бұрын

A line from this show that always sticks with me is "It gets easier. Everyday it gets a little easier. But, you gotta do it every day. *That's* the hard part. "

@LookAtEachOther

Жыл бұрын

@SсhaffriIIas Рroductions 🅥 nailed the channel

@B3fromYT

Жыл бұрын

@Nоt RiскrоII 🅥 It's funny because you are a bot

@recoveringintrovert717

Жыл бұрын

@@Snarl_Marx that's the quote that changed my mindset

@WeezerFan505

Жыл бұрын

Ikr, god depression is so annoying, never cleans up!

Another amazing tiny detail about secretariat dad’s “the view from halfway down” poem is that he only actually reads 3 of the 4 pages he brought with him before falling through the door. There was more to his story but he literally didn’t live long enough to tell it.

@alexvaughan1013

Жыл бұрын

The episode is a goldmine of details! You could watch it 10 times and you'd still find new details.

@TheKlutz31013

Жыл бұрын

Holy shit

@alenazidlicky9306

Жыл бұрын

Whoa….

@finfin4061

Жыл бұрын

Stoned guy here and I think that’s a good theory

Not only is Guy's son named Sonny, but Sonny drops that his mother's name is Lady. It always goes one layer deeper.

@tori4770

11 ай бұрын

I don't understand this reference...

@saltyd4534

11 ай бұрын

​@@tori4770 1:04:12

@thedifferenceincolour7341

5 ай бұрын

@@tori4770the mans name is guy the mans sons name is sonny and the sons moms name is lady, if you can’t understand the joke then go get yourself tested

Season 6 has 3 endings Good Ending= Face of depression Bad ending= The view from halfway down True ending= It was nice while it lasted

@dragonite3531

Жыл бұрын

Bro I didn't realize that till now

@VergilGaia

Жыл бұрын

Bro... You just changed the whole way I saw the show until now

@medium393

Жыл бұрын

Holy fuck…

@samiam7327

Жыл бұрын

:0

@tombo_sq9526

Жыл бұрын

I feel like the view from halfway down was more of a purgatory episode where bojack self reflects on his life, while “Angela” is the bad ending. Bojack relapses, signs away horsin around, and drowns in his pool

Honestly the scene where Diane is revealed and it's clear she's started taking her meds always makes me tear up because I can't think of another series where someone gaining weight like that was seen as an unequivocally good thing.

@WobblesandBean

Жыл бұрын

As someone who's also struggled with my weight due to my meds, it really made me feel better about myself.

@Amber-sc9jp

Жыл бұрын

I gained 20lbs after I started talking Prozac. Best trade of my life. I’d never sacrifice my mental health for those twenty pounds. I’d rather be a little self conscious of my weight than continue living in constant fear (PTSD and anxiety).

@poofan5086

Жыл бұрын

it really did mean a lot that her wrigjr gain signified that she was in a happier place!! usually the opposite was true so this just left a warm feeling

@darkartsninja

Жыл бұрын

I gained 40-60 lbs due to prozac and lamotrigine and I 1,000% credit those meds for helping me finish grad school. I would have been forced to drop out without them

@WobblesandBean

Жыл бұрын

@@Amber-sc9jp Totally unrelated, but I love your hair! Also, I too struggle with PTSD. You have my empathy.

I like that Hollyhock disappears so completely, it really hammers home the pain of having to cut ties so fully with someone toxic. It's so fresh for Bojack that he probably pushed any thought of her out of his mind during his relapse

@PrinceSarah1

Жыл бұрын

Also the penultimate episode makes me ugly sob every single time I watch it. So powerful.

I’ve always found it ironic how Pinky Penguin was the one who revitalized Bojack’s career with his memoir and introducing him to Diane, and comes full circle to destroy Bojack’s career by begging him to do the second interview.

Hollyhock’s absence in the final episodes is actually perfect for me. It’s really as if as soon as she cut ties with Bojack she stopped existing in his world, and you can really feel the fact that Bojack, just like the audience, will never get closure with her and see her again. Helps me feel closer to what Bojack felt reading that letter.

@andeggbreaks

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, idk how he didn't realise that was the intention

@michaelstrong5383

Жыл бұрын

I remember reading a few complaints that this was the last we saw of Hollyhock, but personally I thought it's a realistic ending to their relationship. For all we know, Hollyhock may have the best life now that she's cut Bojack out of her life, which would still fit in the show's recurring element of all the supporting characters having a happy ending except for the main character.

@cartoonfishy8967

Жыл бұрын

@@andeggbreaks I think the complaint (if you can call it that) was more of a Hollyhock should've been mentioned again, and less of a she should've appeared more

@gracezaky1192

Жыл бұрын

i think this choice fits well into season 6's efforts to immerse the audience in the story, as evidenced by this, the 17 minutes reveal, and the false implication that he died in episode 15. if Bojack felt Hollyhock’s absence, the audience should too.

@ivorycest

Жыл бұрын

there’s a theory that hollyhock’s letter to bojack was a restraining order

I feel like there is something to say about the fact that PC was so vehemently against adoption until Bojack suggested it to her. That scene where he says it's a shame that she wouldn't consider it, because she would be so good at it. I feel like he helped her realize that that was an acceptable decision and that led to Ruthie.

@afoolishfopdoodle3284

Жыл бұрын

I legit almost cried when she finally named her

I don't believe it's left ambiguous if PC is still going to be BJ's agent. She says, "I can recommend some very good people." I think that's her way of gently separating her work life from Bojack. She's learned that she can't be responsible for Bojack's career anymore, she needs to worry about hers first and foremost. She'll always be there for him as his friend, but I think work wise she's done.

@jackflynn412

Жыл бұрын

I geniunely have no idea how he missed that line. She's clearly moved on from her codependent need to always save BoJack, and it's just so nice.

@TheCusita93

Жыл бұрын

@@jackflynn412 Definitely, I thought maybe I had it wrong, that I didn't remember the episode correctly, but she even looks awkward when BJ brings up needing representation if he decides to go back to show business.

@ChoiousProdous

Жыл бұрын

@@jackflynn412 the way PC said it kinda makes it sound like she was talking about herself

@jackflynn412

Жыл бұрын

@@ChoiousProdous Maybe, but to me it felt like a goodbye. I guess we can all interpret it differently. I still interpret it as her telling him to find another agent. She invited him to the industry wedding where he can go meet other people in the industry. She didn't invite him to the personal wedding which to me signifies she's moving on from her time with BoJack and won't be interacting with him anymore. Another point of this episode is that everyone moves on with their life. Diane and BoJack will probably never see each other again, Todd moved on from BoJack too. They all have their own lives to live and for the first time in BoJack's life we see he isn't clinging on to people too much. He's actually fine letting them go. So I thought PC was a part of that and BoJack is fine letting her live her life too. He actually did change and became less selfish. Maybe it was too little and too late, but it was still heart warming. We'll never know because the show is over. But it's interesting to think about what might of happened next.

I can’t believe there are still people who would have rather had the show end with Bojack dying. It’s soooo much heavier and more real to end it with everything still going forward.

@sam-nc5ou

Жыл бұрын

Yes! Also, if he died, the whole message of the series wouldn't make sense

@NatalieExists

Жыл бұрын

Also imagine relating to bojack and knowing that's a problem and wanting to get better and the show just goes "yeah so all he can really do at this point is die lol"

@hm-sg9sm

Жыл бұрын

I find it pretty similar to neon genesis evangelion, which also kind of has two endings you can choose

@jebbryant6522

Жыл бұрын

Plus it would've been so fuckin heavy even for bojack horseman ending on the view from halfway down would be godly levels of depression inducing

@genericname2747

Жыл бұрын

Might actually cause some people to kill themselves. People have made themselves better because Bojack Horseman made them confront their flaws. If the show tells them they should just stop trying and die, they might believe it.

a really key detail I noticed is how Diane ignoring Bojack's letters is a perfect parallel to when he left town in season 4 and ignored her calls

@commanderstars7631

Жыл бұрын

I didn’t notice this! That’s such a great parallel!!

This is the season that saved my life. I genuinely was planning to jump off of a bridge the very weekend the show came out, into the cold rapids of a river below, but the poem in the penultimate episode genuinely scared me off. 2 years later I'm still alive, and somehow against my 20-year-old self's belief I actually got happy eventually. Turns out, most of my problems were solvable, who would have guessed? When people ask what my favourite show is, there are many others that usually come to mind first. None of them saved my life though, so this will always be #1 for me, just out of respect.

@SkyBrightGames

Жыл бұрын

My favourite netflix original is The good place

@koiroca1854

Жыл бұрын

I'm glad you're still here

@olo4704

Жыл бұрын

@@SkyBrightGames i love how what you got out of that comment was what their favorite show was and nothing else. And then that you had the need to disagree

@SkyBrightGames

Жыл бұрын

@@olo4704 I was just saying my opinion, Entertainment is subjective. I've rewatched the good place multiple times

@fedomandez

Жыл бұрын

"The view from halfway down"

It's really interesting to me how family and generational trauma is portrayed in the series. The idea of "Don't stop dancing" was originally given to Bojack from his mother in the scene where he didn't want to sing the lollipop song, but Beatrice had told him that nobody cared about how he felt. She had trauma from her life, passed it to Bojack and he eventually passed it down to the closest person he had to a daughter, Sarah Lynn.

@cellokid5104

Жыл бұрын

I totally agree with you. Letting her die was just an insanely foresightful act of compassion. So she couldn't pass on the trauma to the next generation in the future

@alrplayn4u

Жыл бұрын

If memory serves wasn't BoJack hiding under the table from his mom kinda like how Sarah Lynn was under the table during their shooting break too? The visual and verbal parallels of this show are poetic

@remyhavoc4463

Жыл бұрын

Also interesting how Joseph Sugarman told Honey Sugarman that her sickness was ruining everyone In a way, it kinda did. Since Honey (lobotomized ver) told Beatrice "Don't ever love anyone as much as I loved Crackerjack" and Beatrice took it too literally

@mostlysaand9644

Жыл бұрын

What episode was this lollipop scene in?

@remyhavoc4463

Жыл бұрын

@@mostlysaand9644 season 1 episode 11 The episode where he had a drug trip and had a dream about Charlotte being his wife in another universe

As someone who nearly died due to an overdose this year the panic Bojack gets when he finds out he is dying is completely accurate. You want to run away from it and "wake up" but you can't and it's terrifying. It was terrifying and the trauma of the feeling stays with you. Please stay safe, I promise you if you think you want to pass on by your own hand, you don't, the view from halfway down is mortifying. I hope you are all well and if you aren't now, know that in the future, eventually, you will be.

@corneliahanimann2173

Жыл бұрын

This sounds like sleep paralysis. Was it like that? I mean apart from the factor of death in that? Maybe this is too personal to ask, so excise me if I come across as insensitive, I am by no mean entitled to the story around your trauma... I just had sleep paralysis many times and I hate it so much, this inability to move this infinitely heavy limbs. I do not envy what you went through in your life. I'm sorry you were handed such a difficult path.

@woofexe4050

Жыл бұрын

@@corneliahanimann2173 Hi there, please do not apologize for being curious. I enjoy questions and people that wish to learn. As for your question, it's hard to say as I've never experienced sleep paralysis before. That might be something worth researching on those that have had near death experiences. All I know was that I was absolutely terrified. All I could think about was running away from it to get better but there really is no running from death. I took too many pills, I couldn't change that. I remember maybe an hour after I had them I tried to throw them up. Well, all I threw up was blood, that was when the terror truly set in. I knew I screwed up and I didn't know what to do. I started feeling very sleepy so I got in the shower so I could keep myself awake. I knew I would pass out soon and that would probably be the last of me. I'd die alone in the shower, trying so desperately to undo what was already done. My skin started to turn yellow, showing signs I had overdosed and things were to turn. Luckily, someone took me to the health center in town who told me I needed a blood test immediately and transferred me to a hospital outside of town. All I could see was my yellow arms and hands. I wore my boyfriend's jacket at the time so if I did die I would have him around me. He lives overseas unfortunately, so I could not see him during that time. After getting to the emergency room I basically gave up, I was so tired. I remember when I got into my room poison control was called, I don't think they realize they were on speaker phone because they said I was fucked due to how I took the pills. I remember that so clearly, how blunt she was and how I felt knowing I really messed up. Luckily, somehow, I was okay. The doctors said I dodged a bullet somehow, probably because I was young and didn't drink much or do drugs really so my liver was healthy. A lady came in and talked to me, seeing if it was a suicide attempt. It was but I've been in this position before and I couldn't afford to be sent to another mental hospital, so I lied. I went back to work not the next day but the day after that. I started feeling really sick and I did confess to my boss at the time as I was scared. I ended up having to take leave for a few months to fix myself. It was mandatory and not my choice but it was nice though I didn't get paid which made paying rent hard. I almost even got kicked out for trying to kill myself but that's a story for another day. My apologies for the long story telling, I know that wasn't what you asked for. Though, I've never told anyone online this before. I suppose I just wanted to get it out. I also want to let people know that even as much as they might want the release of death, as much as they want to move on from this life, as much as they want it all to end, they don't. I've tried to kill myself many times and never got this close. I cannot stress enough how much fear will be felt and how you will just want to reverse it, undo what was done. Anyways, I won't take up anymore of your time. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to tell a bit of my story, it was nice. I hope you are well and I hope your sleep paralysis eases up, I can only imagine what that must be like. Please take care and thank you again, never be afraid to ask questions! 💙

@corneliahanimann2173

Жыл бұрын

@@woofexe4050 wow this all sounds so intense! I have nevee been in that position, but I had a friend who gets suicidal regularly and I had to be on a phonecall to distract her from these thoughts a few times before I insisted she has these conversations with her therapist, because I'm just a well-meaning friend and I don't even know if what I'm doing isn't harmful in another way either, I'm not a therapist... I think I have heard this type of story before, and it's usually related to the american healthcare system...so I wonder if you're from the US, because I just wouldn't be surprised if that is the case. I don't mind you venting your story at me at all, I really enjoyed reading it. Not the part where you suffered but, you wrote this well, I think I can feel the steps you took make sense. I just had to assume a lot must have gone down for you to want to look towards the other side. I'm so sorry that you had to go there.

@MorningOnMars

Жыл бұрын

Glad you're still with us.

@woofexe4050

Жыл бұрын

@@MorningOnMars Thank you so much, that's very kind 💙

Something that absolutely kills me is that Sarah Lynn is LOOKING DOWN the door before she dies. Implying that she was still (atleast partially) conscious during those 17 minutes.

@anitaremenarova6662

Жыл бұрын

She no doubt had her own dinner scene during that time and it's awful to even think about.

@DOG_EATER_1887

3 ай бұрын

Why have you cursed us with this information

@DOG_EATER_1887

3 ай бұрын

​@@anitaremenarova6662BRO NOOOOO

"oh bojack. there is no other side." still gives me fucking chills

@epaomirimiri

Жыл бұрын

SAME. It's so horrifying to think that there's nothing at all for us after the end of our consciousness. I have never heard of an afterlife that appealed to me more than just *more life* in all of its variety and unpredictability. To just be over, with no-one to talk to and nothing to think about and nothing to think *with* does NOT do it for me. There IS no other side, as far as I can tell, and I DON'T like it. I feel like that's a big part of why we keep making up religions.

@haylinpm8973

Жыл бұрын

@@epaomirimiri Dude that logic is exactly why I stopped trying to argue with religious people. I realized that it helps them feel good with whatever happens after and if they aren't harming anyone then it's alright with me

@anitaremenarova6662

Жыл бұрын

@@epaomirimiri It's not horrifying or calming. It just is, or in this case isn't anything.

@epaomirimiri

Жыл бұрын

@@anitaremenarova6662 That's a very Mature and Elevated Take ™️ but it's not one that I can relate to. I am (for now) a living person that finds the idea of not existing anymore *dreadful*. I'm glad you've found peace with it. I haven't.

@anitaremenarova6662

Жыл бұрын

@@epaomirimiri It's the truth. I don't exactly relate to it either, usually dart between the two but thinking about how most of all time you didn't exist and that's just how it was makes it less scary for me.

I like how not only the way Bojack "dies" is forshadowed by the season 3 episode, but that Mister Pubertator is the one to not leave him "drown". I mean, everybody else distanced themselves from Bojack, but not PB, the very one man who pulled him out of water. He still wants to be in his live no matter what. That actually kind of ironic that Bojack ended up preserving the only relationship he didn't particularly care about. But it's nice that it lasted.

@emopeterparker7

Жыл бұрын

Kind of ironic and tragic if you think of it this way: the only relationship he was able to really keep was the relationship he never touched.

@celinelia8127

Жыл бұрын

@@emopeterparker7 it's the only relationship where he apologized in time, he apologized publicly and honestly to Mr PB for kissing Diane. He never really hurt Mr PB since. But i also think that the way Todd and PC are acting in the finale, their relationships with BoJack are not over. just different, a bit more distance, but they might, hopefully, go on to be better than they were in season 1.

@celinelia8127

Жыл бұрын

Адам Боков i think that the way Todd and PC are acting in the finale, their relationships with BoJack are not over. just different, a bit more distance, but they might, hopefully, go on to be better than they were at the beginning. as for Mr PB, BoJack apologized to him honestly and publicly in season 2, and never hurt him since....mostly due to avoiding him.

@marcelaandrade9785

Жыл бұрын

Like a real dog

@curranfrank2854

Жыл бұрын

@@celinelia8127 Yea, it's only Diane that'll likely never see him again. Not that I can blame her

I think that Crackerjack tying Beatrice's ribbon around himself and jumping into the void represents the fact that in a way, Beatrice's life basically ended when his did. After he died, everything changed. She lost her mother, her ability to love other people and her dad just never cared. Also WHY DID YOU GUYS PUT PERSONA 3 MUSIC WHEN YOU STARTED TALKING ABOUT BOJACK AND DIANE'S FINAL MOMENTS I teared up.

@nicolasrededeo805

Жыл бұрын

I think as well, that she dissappears in the ribbon cocoon before going in the door represents the fact that her dementia basically already killed her identity before she died, so she was practically already dead then

@Kaisona2017

Жыл бұрын

Her life unraveled after Crackerjack’s death.

This show explored Mental illness extremely well and realistically, and just got better as it progressed. I liked how it finished with BoJack and Diane, since their relationship was the core part of the show.

@pirategaming3690

Жыл бұрын

Completely unrelated but I love your profile pic. Addams Family Musical superiority

@benfulfer3260

Жыл бұрын

Bojack didn’t express its intent like 13 Reasons Why did and effortlessly did an infinitely better job than that show

@LYNN-id9rb

Жыл бұрын

It was as good as 13 Reasons Why

@benfulfer3260

Жыл бұрын

@@LYNN-id9rb what no that’s no what I’m saying, 13 reasons why did a bad job expressing mental illness and is just bad in general

@Tekau1

Жыл бұрын

@@benfulfer3260I take offense in you comparing those 2 shows

View From Halfway Down is one of those episodes that just sticks with you for weeks. The beautiful animation, the horrifying concepts it covers, and the constant dread that it builds throughout are unforgettable. Plus, "Oh Bojack, no. There is no other side. This is it." is one of the best lines in all of television history.

@lilvargyt9964

Жыл бұрын

Def my favorite line of all time

@michaelstrong5383

Жыл бұрын

The poem Secretariat/Bojack's Dad read stuck to me even long after I first saw the episode.

@guyguy7634

Жыл бұрын

Oh course it does take an atheist outlook in life. Which fine but I guess it leaves people divided on the topic

@nanashi7779

Жыл бұрын

@@guyguy7634 I don't think that line represents the show or the episode itself's viewpoint. Remember the entire episode is playing inside BoJack's own mind, playing off his deepest fears, thoughts, hopes and insecurites, all I took the line to be was an expression of one of his greatest fears, that "there is no other side". It's not necessarily what the show thinks, but it's what Bojack FEARS.

@creepycucumber3487

Жыл бұрын

I legit couldn't sleep the night i finished Bojack. Granted, i finished it at 4 am but couldn't go to sleep because i was crying so much and i constantly felt shivers through my entire body. It was triggering but i think this show just made its way up to my top 3 fav shows

The fact that the first time Princess Carolyn ever truly bonds with her daughter is because she laughs at one of her classic tongue twisters? Tears, every time.

The fact that Bojack casually says he’s “had this dream before” really hit me hard the first time I heard it cause I knew what was going on. It indicated to me he’s probably been on the brink of death several times, and maybe those times we’ve seen him wake up after a binge in the show could be some of those.

@enviisyk

Жыл бұрын

no actually it was a reference to a line earlier in the season of him talking about having a dream at a dinner party. i think it was just acknowledging the foreshadowing

@rpproductions6241

Жыл бұрын

@@enviisyk Well yeah there was that foreshadowing. I’m not discounting that. But given his years of drug and alcohol abuse, it wouldn’t surprise me that this would have happened more than once either. If I remember correctly he even says something like “I always wake up” or “This is always where it ends” which indicates this has happened more than once.

@SwnkyTiger

Жыл бұрын

@@enviisyk So, you read somebody's comment about what they THINK could have happened (based on nuance and subtext). You then felt obligated to tell them flat out, "no". That they are wrong and what you think (from a strictly surface level perspective) is "actually" right. Really a nice move. I''d say they were spot on. However, it's okay that you didn't think that too though, it honestly means nothing to you or at least, it shouldn't. You're free to have your own thoughts on the subject but, why this need to step on their opinion?

@enviisyk

Жыл бұрын

@@SwnkyTiger bro chill it's not that deep why are you taking it so personally i said that it was foreshadowing bc i thought it was foreshadowing

@SwnkyTiger

Жыл бұрын

@@enviisyk My dude, smh. You can think what you want, that's the whole point and I'm not here to take that from you. I am saying there was no need to tell them that their thoughts about a fictional animated horse-man were wrong with a blunt, "no" before spouting your own 'correct' opinion. Why did they need to be wrong for you to feel right? That is some SDE. Have a nice day.

The writing in this show is SO good that you forget their animals on occasion, which then makes the animal jokes funnier cuz you’re hit with "oh right there animals".

@humanperson6372

Жыл бұрын

sometimes i’ll remember they’re animals in the middle of a dramatic scene and just burst out laughing

@Amber-sc9jp

Жыл бұрын

They’re animals*

@meevins

Жыл бұрын

@@Amber-sc9jp who fucking cares

@brizzyxxriot

Жыл бұрын

@@Amber-sc9jp Their animals*

@MrDrewwills

Жыл бұрын

Watching this video I forgot how stupid the bird people look when they fly. Having that kind of goofy gag in the middle of an incredibly dark episode and not taking you out of it is art of the highest order.

I love how the Netflix description of 'Nice while it lasted' is "A group of people come together for a celebration", or something like that, leaving it very unclear what happens and implying it could be Bojack's funeral

@nickoriii

Жыл бұрын

yeah when i first saw the description i was completely sure it was gonna be Bojack's funeral even before watching view from halfway down bruh it really took me by surprise

@epaomirimiri

Жыл бұрын

Hello fellow Zee captain. c:

I will forever be thankful to this show. Showing my mother the "Stupid Piece of Shit" opening was what got her to finally understand my depression and how I was feeling. From then on, she was my biggest supporter for my mental health and now I am living life without wanting to die. I don't know if that would have happened without my mother's support and I got her support because of Bojack Horseman.

@mr.moviemafia

Жыл бұрын

I can imagine this show has helped a lot of people self-reflect and clarify their feelings. I’m so happy it could for you and your mom!

I don't know if this is a common theory, but the fact that Bojack brings Sarah Lynn to the house in The View From Halfway Down probably is a metaphor for the fact that Bojack caused her death, ergo bringing her to her death.

@celinelia8127

Жыл бұрын

Guru could be. i think it means tons of things. she's also the first and closest thing to a daughter he ever had,so he brings her there as an extension of himself, as someone who he 'created'....

@heatherwang2891

Жыл бұрын

Say ergo one more time.

@natasaroksandic5227

Жыл бұрын

@@heatherwang2891 Ergo

@blazerheata6479

Жыл бұрын

He also is the one to bring the flowers, blocking the way out; ultimately one of Bojack's attempt at a kind gesture spirals out from being tainted by the tar and brings about his own downfall as well.

started giggling mischievously all excited twirling my hair when i got the notification for this video

@trii0dide

Жыл бұрын

bro got giddy

@ringer1324

Жыл бұрын

Bro got excitable

@zebedeezing4181

Жыл бұрын

You’re so real

@naty-lx8iz

Жыл бұрын

@@trii0dide literally.. laying on my stomach waving legs in the air ❤️

@SeseOB2003

Жыл бұрын

I was really happy to see this notification since the review on season 5 was at the start of 2022.

What gets me is Bojack is the one to tell hollyhawk that his mom was actually the person who was feeding her the diet pills. But hollyhawk has no real way of knowing if thats the truth, she believes him at the time because he gives her information on who her real mom is and she knows his mom has dementia. But After being told how bojack gave a group of underage kids alcohol and then later learning what he did to sarah lynn, whats stopping her from thinking that bojack was purposely trying to drug her, then blamed his ill mother when he got caught

@anitaremenarova6662

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, bringing her out of that retirement home was a mistake. Sucks that she has dementia but she wouldn't have ended up there in the first place if she weren't such a terrible person all her life.

@RoamingAdhocrat

Жыл бұрын

wow, I'd never thought of that

@Hydrolion1998

Жыл бұрын

"That's too much man"

@Echos.Art.Corner

Жыл бұрын

Holy shit, I never even thought of that! That's such a smart catch dude

The 17 minutes part is to me the heaviest moment on top of an already heavy moment. It was already haunting for Bojack calling Sarahlynn's name in the planetarium, its even more haunting how in that instance, he just decided to wait.

Bojack Horseman is somehow the only show that could make a character living more fitting than a character dying

I think another important part of Diane's story regarding her mental health journey, is that even though medication helps her, that alone doesn't just fix her right away. The meds didn't just whisk away all her problems, it just helped along with the support of Guy.

When you realize that Bojack asking Diane if he's a good person is the catalyst of him making her responsible for his moral center. A position she NEVER wanted.

@7-BIT

Жыл бұрын

I’m 100% sure someone wrote this before

@Nobody-ir4xp

Жыл бұрын

@@7-BIT i was just about to comment the same thing! Most of these early comments I swear I’ve seen before on Reddit or other KZread vids, most likely bots sadly

@choiproductionsyt

Жыл бұрын

@@Nobody-ir4xp Fr, I think I literally found this on the first video of this series as well

@steggyweggy

Жыл бұрын

True, but she also decided to take on that responsibility

@noahmclaughlin7921

Жыл бұрын

This exact same thing has been said before in another popular BoJack video

1:29:39 It was also really heavily implied Sarah Lynn was a victim of SA. Her story reminded me so much of Britney. So glad she got out of her conservatorship before she ended up not here anymore too

Fun fact: I thought The View from Halfway Down was such a good episode about mortality that I told my philosophy teacher she should watch it. Fast forward a couple days and I get an email from her at 11pm on a friday saying that she saw the episode and loved it so much she just couldn't wait for Monday to tell me her thoughts and had to write to me right then and there.

Bojack ultimately got what he wanted at the end. He’s no longer known as “the horse from Horsin Around”

In “The View from Halfway Down,” for me the black tar that dripped and Bojack spit up was the first sign of confirmation that he was dying. Yeah, the episode makes it seem like a dream with how nonchalant he is remarking he’s had this dream before and is calm up until the show, but seeing the black tar is what started my anxiety. Warning for heavy stuff: I work with animals, and have been present when some have passed away for various reasons. Something that can happen with a dying lethargic animal, that is refusing to drink or eat anything, to get up or acknowledge anything or anyone, that has lost the will to live-they sometimes spit up or vomit a black tar like substance (in actuality, it’s digested blood). It’s unnerving since it’s a sign that they’re dying and almost nothing can save them at that point. I don’t know if the writers did this on purpose, but having that substance be the sign for death gave me absolute chills and I was not okay for the rest of the episode the moment I saw it.

From a personal perspective, Penny’s storyline not getting a real ending to it is just… realistic. Sometimes bad things happen to you, and even though you want to tell people, you can’t bring yourself to do so, especially with the sort of attention it would bring to you. Doesn’t mean that it’s the right thing to do, but sometimes we just want to put it all behind us and to try to never think about it.

One thing to note about the scene where Bojack is shown drinking for the very first time, if you notice, despite being so young, just a kid even, he doesn't even flinch when taking a drink of the alcohol. Most kids would absolutely retch or at least Make a face when taking a sip for the first time, but he doesn't, implying this is absolutely not his first time taking a drink.

@someguyinazoo

Жыл бұрын

Well no It fits for his character for that to be his first drink because it's one of his only happy memories

@pauline1809

Жыл бұрын

I think it actually was his first, as the whole episode slowly builds up to his first ever drink, going further and further back in time. it really wouldn't make sense if there was an unseen even earlier drink, even if you're right and a kid totally would've made a face

@sketchyjulia

Жыл бұрын

@@pauline1809 I mean he was born in the 60s, wouldn’t surprise me if Bea gave him like whisky or something as a baby to get him to stop crying

I'm glad this came out right now, it will directly counteract the bi-monthly wave of "Erm actually Bojack is just fake deep and does dark things for shock effect"

@anitaremenarova6662

Жыл бұрын

Gotta love that coming from people with like 2 braincells. The whole message of the show is that it's never too late to change for the better.

Unpopular opinion: I actually like the episode about Diane visiting her family. Though not the best episode, it did show that it is alright to cut off toxic people from your life. That can include your family and maybe it's best not to continue to linger and keep on hoping for that person, friends, or family to change when you know they're not going to and you shouldn't feel guilty for not wanting to continue that toxic relationship with them.

@anitaremenarova6662

Жыл бұрын

Yep, Bojack buckling under Hollyhock's requests to bring Beatrice back into his life turned out to be a mistake. Some people are drowning and can't be saved, they'll only drag you down with them.

@sasir2013

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, a lot of people ignore that important message

@sethzimmerman281

Жыл бұрын

I never hated that episode either.

@ashy_inking1476

Жыл бұрын

Same

@Kayuki1197

Жыл бұрын

@@anitaremenarova6662 lm

the fact we don’t know how bojack’s story truly ends is both comforting and distressing

When 'Mr blue' comes on at the end I can't help but cry absolute buckets, I've seen the ending about 3 times and it's such a cathartic release for me, both of sadness that their close bond is most likely over (Diane and BoJack) but also hopeful that they've both learnt a valuable lesson through each other that they can carry through the rest of their lives. A lot of people like to say that the "real" ending was the view from halfway down but if that was the real ending it would be an incredibly pessimistic and depressing way to end an already depressing show... It would essentially mean that suicide is the answer to your problems, this ending instead, is a perfect example of how life is in many ways; chaos, and you can't really control the outcome, there are contless immeasurable parts of life that are always moving and sometimes it's unpredictable, it's sad, hard, unforgiving, but it can also be happy, and rewarding at times - life is a bitch but you keep living. BoJack brought me to the myth of Sisyphus a few years ago and to the idea/ philosophy of existentialism, but there are two ways to look at the myth, you can look at Sisyphus as a man who is in pain and every day he is burdened with the responsibility of pushing that boulder up the hill only to then be filled with dissapointment to watch his hard work fall away as the boulder goes back down the hill and he has to start again... Or, the way I now see the Myth, imagine Sisyphus is happy, imagine he has embraced the absurdity of his situation and found out a way to enjoy his plight and even though he knows the boulder will roll back down the hill and he has to start again he finds it humourus, you find a way to embrace that life has peaks and dips, just like the boulder, but you keep going and you keep pushing that boulder up the hill, you'll find a way to enjoy each step, even if it can be hard. I love BoJack Horseman so much, genuinely a life-changing experience and a beautiful piece of art. Very thankful of the whole team who brought this project together. Great work on your guys part to complete this as well, I'm a musician currently working on an album and I know just how hard it is to complete a big project so I admire your guys endurance with putting this whole thing together, you definitely have more drive than myself. Thanks

@beetee8447

Жыл бұрын

Drop where we can find your music when you're ready!

I remember watching season 1 with my sisters back in 2014. We thought it was just a funny show, but when we finally got to the end of season 1, one of my sisters said "If we don't change that's going to be us" and we just laughed it off. We had a lot of trouble growing up. From being homeless, foster care, abuse, lol even going through a murder of a family member. Sooo safe to say we had hurdles. So watching these characters battle with their demons and addictions had us glued. And I'll never forget. July 2017 was when I finally left my shitty marriage. Two months later Diane left hers. Over the course of my separation and healing I was watching Diane do the same. And when she finally found someone healthy, and who is the perfect partner for her, I met mine. I've never grown with a character before. I've never felt such a connection to a show before. I can't express how much this show means to me. I eventually got a tattoo of a pocket watch with "Times arrow neither stands still nor reverses. It merely marches forward." Safe to say I'm no longer on that path of addiction and self destruction. And it happened at the same pace of this show. I almost feel like I owe the writers. Thank you for your breakdowns of this show!

The final two episodes of Bojack Horseman is probably my favorite piece of media, EVER! An episode where Bojack ties things up with the most important dead people in his life, followed by an episode where Bojack ties things up with the most important alive people in his life. It’s as heartwarming and hopeful as it is devastating and poignant. The team did a masterful job, I’ve never felt more fulfilled by a shows wrap up.

Also Bojack didn't ruin dr champ. I mean look how the guy was chugging the vodka. He was looking for an excuse to fall off the wagon and despite what 12 steps will tell you, you don't ruin your recovery by drinking, especially if it's accidental. But if you're already in a vulnerable position you take this small incident as a reason to completely ditch sobriety and blame it on someone or something else. I've seen it happen and I've been through it myself. Bojack is not to blame, even if he brought the bottle.

@TheSlamMiles

5 ай бұрын

But in a way Bojack could be seen as responsible, becoming a burden to Dr Champ - it's little things like this, tiny daily stresses, that can make maintaining sobriety seem more and more impossible every day. You are so right he was looking for an excuse to fall off the wagon - if he was committed to sobriety he definitely wouldn't have chugged. Hell, after that night he would've started going to meetings to hold himself accountable. But he stays off the wagon. Maybe it's not Bojack but his personal life as a whole but I do believe Bojack as a patient massively contributed to his stress. As an addict I have had true sobriety and fake sobriety. True sobriety is the desperate clinging onto your healthy life. Fake sobriety is pretending you are truly sober but secretly waiting for the sign you should self destruct and go back to your quick fix. Dr Champ was definitely exhibiting the behaviour of the latter. To summarise: agree

One thing I really like about “A Horse Walks into Rehab” is the final flashback. In all the other flashbacks, Bojack is pressured into drinking by someone else- Sharona, college guys, then his dad. Then, it’s finally revealed that the first time he ever drank was all his choice, symbolizing the fact that he can’t blame anyone else for his alcoholism. It’s all him.

@PS-dm1dq

Жыл бұрын

It's still largely on his parents. He took his first drink out of childlike desperation to feel close to his mom. Sad and heartbreaking, they never bothered to cultivate a bond with their son, leaving him to basically "steal" that moment where he could cuddle up with her on the couch

@laurenjones8196

Жыл бұрын

I genuinely think Bojack probably had drunk alcohol before that final flashback. The way he didn't even flinch when he gulped down a solid mouthful? I don't think that anybody can take their first drink like that, especially not a 4 y/o. Granted, I've never had vodka, but I remember sneaking a sip of beer when i was little and absolutely reeling at its flavor. So I almost wonder if Beatrice would slip Bojack some booze when he was really small, maybe to stop his crying, and Bojack can't flashback to that because he was simply too young to remember? I wouldn't put it past either of his parents tbh

@OneFatLizard

Жыл бұрын

@@laurenjones8196 I think you could honestly just chalk up bojack not coughing and sputtering durung his first drink due to the fact that its just a cartoon and they didn't really feel the need add that to the scene

@laurenjones8196

Жыл бұрын

@Joey Besignano yeah that could also be true lol i just like speculating but i also feel like this show isn't the type to skip out on details, so i dunno

@bombe0074

Жыл бұрын

Like it's also Sarah Lynns fault that she drank the alkohol in the first place?

Everyone needs to do themselves a favor and watch this show. It’s like there’s a character or arc for most people to resonate with. Simply Beautiful

@doggenix1574

Жыл бұрын

How in the world is this a favor this stuf brought me depression/j

@nehemiahbarnes-williams

Жыл бұрын

@@doggenix1574 it helped me deal with mine actually… what about the show made you feel that way

@nazmmetin1862

Жыл бұрын

@@nehemiahbarnes-williamsHe’s jokin

Even though Hollyhock cutting off Bojack felt like a gut punch, it was for the best and Im glad with the endings everyone got. Bojack having a bittersweet ending I think, is perfect. He indeed gets punished for his past deeds but it doesn't have to be the end of him and ironically his life long calling was something in between being an acting teacher at a college and giving lessons to prison inmates. Also yeah Guy is the best new character

@anitaremenarova6662

Жыл бұрын

Yep, Bojack is extremely relatable at the end with how no matter how good things seem to be he can always relapse into his old terrible behavior but at the same can always improve.

@iwakeupandboomimarat

Жыл бұрын

the amount of people ive seen acting like hollyhock is a shitty person for cutting off bojack is way too many. she absolutely needed to for the sake of her own wellbeing and she shouldnt be forced to be communicating to someone if its hurting her but everyone acts like she has an obligation to be his best friend

@anitaremenarova6662

Жыл бұрын

@@iwakeupandboomimarat I mean, it makes sense. Who would want to be his friend after all his wrongdoings came to light? Certainly nobody that didn't already know him well enough.

@Spongebrain97

Жыл бұрын

@i wake up and boom im a rat I think because people didn't see it from her perspective on Bojack which was more limited vs what as the audience saw in him. Her writing him a letter saying she cut him off is a more respectful sendoff whereas she could've just ghosted him forever and left him confused. It's relatable to me in that I was close to a girl who overtime grew more and more toxic but I would keep forgiving her in hopes that I could "fix her" but realized that I wasn't making myself happy and didn't like being stressed dealing with this person. So I simply texted her one day and said we shouldn't see each other anymore and that was that and I moved on

@iwakeupandboomimarat

Жыл бұрын

@@Spongebrain97 fair lol, i definitely think in hollyhocks situation she wouldn't be in the wrong for just ghosting him but writing a full letter to explain to him was really mature on her end. ive had similar experiences w people like that too, at one of my high schools i literally ghosted everyone after i left just bc i didnt want any connection to it (got bullied so hard i moved away lmao)

Idk, I thought it was fitting that we never saw Hollyhock after she cut him off from his life. I really missed her during those last few episodes and the fact that I felt her absence so deeply really hammered in the fact that she was gone from Bojack's life.

Not sure if I'm the only one, but I really enjoyed seeing how taking mental health medications changed Diane's body. As a fat woman taking medications that cause weight gain, it was so incredible seeing this effect being represented in the media

PC seems to either be someone's absolute favourite character or the character of the main cast they completely ignore, there's no in-between. Sometimes I wonder if she's just too realistic and well-written for some people to care about her. She's too human. But to me that just makes her so relatable. I think out of everyone she was the one I really wanted to see succeed the most, and I'm so glad she got everything she deserved in the end.

@urextraaverageweirdo6124

Жыл бұрын

Did you just copied that from somewhere?

@dutczar5436

Жыл бұрын

@@urextraaverageweirdo6124 I definitely feel deja vu too

@anitaremenarova6662

Жыл бұрын

She is well written and likable but unlike Bojack and Diane she isn't very relatable. Edit: I feel like I should I clarify, she can be relatable to people but as someone with mental issues she's way too normal. Only time I got caught off guard by her relatability was during the Ruthie episode when her descendant is revealed to just be in her head.

@weirdguy1495

Жыл бұрын

I feel the same way about Diane, funny enough.

@MinecraftIsLoveMinecraftIsLife

Жыл бұрын

PC is one of my favourites.

BoJack simultaneously cured and gave me depression

@haylinpm8973

Жыл бұрын

Dude me too, it has led me through the journey of accepting my mortality in a nice way but also THAT DEATH DREAM EPISODE GETS ME SO CLOSE TO A PANIC ATTACK I AM SO CONFUSED

@anitaremenarova6662

Жыл бұрын

I started watching it with depression and I still have it but it gave me ways to fight against the voice in my head calling me a stupid piece of shit all the time :)

The fact that Diane's story ended that happily was a huge relief for me. I was so used to this show crushing every happiness that the characters managed to find, but no... that didn't happen with Diane and Guy. From when he walked into her life, her life started to become everything she'd ever wanted. The fact that they ended up together made me happier than I've felt for a fictional character in a long time.

Ive long had the theory that Bojacks dad went the way Secretariat went, by his own hand, and Beatrice just made up the whole death by duel story either out of pride, to protect Bojack in her own twisted way (“how did he die by gunshot?” “It was a duel”) or both. He had just released his book, the book he dedicated his whole life to writing, and it was critically panned hard! I theorize this sent him in a spiral, wondering what the point of his whole life was. The one thing he dedicated it all to was a failure. The thing that was supposed to make it all worth it (much like Bojacks Oscar goal) It adds an extra layer to the blend of Secretariat and his dad, as well as the poem

@thedogbackwards_4241

Жыл бұрын

I thought he died by falling over during the ten paces and hitting his head?

@emopeterparker7

Жыл бұрын

this would make sense in the context of the themeing for other characters, too. sarah lynn said she always wanted to be an architect. but instead she was forced to dedicate her life to hollywood from a young age. diane said she always wanted to write a book about her trauma to help people, because otherwise her damage wasn't "good damage", it was "just damage". she dedicated a portion of her life clinging onto that goal, and when she couldn't make the book, it made her spiral. bojack always had dedicated goals. first it was starring in a movie about secretariat as secretariat, and then getting an oscar (or a nomination), and so on. and every time he thought that thing would make him happy, he came out empty, because...if he peaked, then what's even left for him to do next? so i could see his dad going down a similar path. dedicated his life to ONE thing that he thought would bring him happiness, but in the end, it didn't pay off.

@genericname2747

Жыл бұрын

​@@thedogbackwards_4241 There's a theory that Herb died of cancer, and the peanut allergy thing was just a joke he made so people wouldn't be sad. I can see Beatrice making up a stupid death so people think of her husband as a big joke.

I personally love the episode where theyre all hiding around just barely avoiding being caught by Mr peanutbutter and pickles. Especially at the end where after all that effort they all just walk out of his house and he doesnt even remotely question it. It plays into how mr pickles barely ever pays attention to anything and that part really made me laugh

My little favorite detail this season is that Bojack brings his spy shit bag to rehab, but he crossed out “spy” and replaced it with “rehab”, making the bag say rehab shit. Iconic

I never really thought much about this but I think it’s interesting that all the animal characters had cute names that a kid would give to a pet, and all the people had normal people names

@therealpuffsuki

Жыл бұрын

Such as lernernerner decapricorn, THATS a name

@bobbyferg9173

Жыл бұрын

Glad you finally picked this up at the end of the season 6 analysis

@chesteruwu

Жыл бұрын

@@bobbyferg9173 no i realized it halfway through watching the show I just wanted to comment it to see if anyone else also noticed it

@bobbyferg9173

Жыл бұрын

@@chesteruwu No I’m pretty sure you are the first and only one to ever make this connection. Truly you are the Sherlock Holmes of our time

@chesteruwu

Жыл бұрын

@@bobbyferg9173 you’re weird

I love the “conversation” Bojack has with Diane while he’s drowning is the same one Diane wanted with Mr. Peanutbutter when she came back from Cordovia

@hm-sg9sm

Жыл бұрын

Holy shit i never noticed that

@marshmallowkitty7

Жыл бұрын

@@hm-sg9sm you learn something new about this show I swear :3 a new thing the harder you look

@hm-sg9sm

Жыл бұрын

@@marshmallowkitty7 bro could not resist not using the “:3”

@marshmallowkitty7

Жыл бұрын

@@hm-sg9sm shhhhh 😭 lemme live, laugh, :3

@Gabriel-sd1oh

Жыл бұрын

born to :3 forced to :)

One hidden thing I loved was in the final episode when Bojack is talking with Todd and you can see the obvious footsteps in the sand. And as they reflect on what they were and what their future can hold, the footsteps wash away. I took that has a symbol of Todd and Bojack being in a place that they will never be the friends they were, but new footsteps and a new journey can always be made between them.

The final episode left weird feelings for a lot of people but for me it was even better than the view from halfway down because it summarises the whole show in one phrase: “you do the hokey pokey and you turn yourself around, THATS what it’s all about”. You do things in life and then you turn yourself around and that’s the important part, how you change and grow from the things you’ve said or done in your life. It’s a funny metaphor but it honestly sticks with me to this day for how true this phrase is. We have all made mistakes that stick with us forever and how we grow from those situations affects how our lives go moving forward. If the show had ended with bojack dying I think it would have felt to me like he just escaped everything and there was no more consequences or ways to learn from everything but by having him live go to prison and then have his final sendoff to every important character, it felt like a real goodbye to his past life and how moving forward he will improve himself for the future like this time he will be better because his ties to his past are now one by one fading

One of my favorite parts of season 6 is that they let diane be fat and didn't make a big deal about it and guy still loved her

@ammonohran9534

Жыл бұрын

Idk why everyone loves Diane getting fat. Its so weird, I've been to so many countries where there are no fat people. Americans just eat like shit and expect pats on the back. Being happy someone is unhealthy is just very weird

@Scoops_slinger

Жыл бұрын

@@ammonohran9534 no one asked

@scottpitts918

Жыл бұрын

*Least favorite*

@Aurelius_unofficial

Жыл бұрын

@@scottpitts918 you're so funny Please enjoy this audible laughter Can you hear it?

@scottpitts918

Жыл бұрын

@@Aurelius_unofficial grown ass adult said this lmao

I'm happy that Bojack survived. As someone who identifies with his life a little too much, I didn't want the show to go out on such a hopeless note. One of my favorite things about this show is that it's so incredibly respectful of all the serious topics they undertake. I love that they show Bojack turn his life around and that he eventually is held accountable for his actions. But, how far does that go? At what point has someone atoned? And are there people that are too far gone? The person I used to be was horrible to everyone in his life because he was drowning and couldn't help but drag others down to stay afloat. I've spent years growing and changing. Many people are gone from my life forever and I don't begrudge them that. It makes sense and it's good to be held accountable, it's the only way to grow. But I still live with a lot of guilt that causes me to take a step back or two. I wonder, after all my attempts to get better, do I still deserve to suffer? I know I'm a much better person now but that doesn't undo the past. How could anyone in the future accept me if they knew it? I wrestle with these things a lot. At the end of this show, if Bojack had died, I would've wondered if that was the only way to go, the only way to do justice. Is that the only viable path for people like me? But he lived. And I've lived despite my admittingly half-assed attempts. I graduated college, moved back into to my parent's house, and live a much more stable and healthy life. But I'm also a total NEET, afraid that I'll backspiral if I go back out into the world. I can't stay here forever though. I'm just happy my parents haven't kicked me out yet. I have had my fair share of Diane's, Todd's, and even a Charlotte or 2. I'm cool with some, less cool with others. That's how it has to be. Maybe that was way too much to put out on the internet but it felt good. Maybe this would be interesting to hear for someone, I dunno.

It's interesting you both didn't mention the flowers in The View From Halfway Down, the same ones that prevent Bojack from escaping the mansion They're hollyhocks

@starpool04

7 ай бұрын

Aren't they hydrangeas?

It's amazing how far we've all come. Just goes to show how talented Schaff is for this massive dedication and how great this show is and how much it means to so many people. Truly inspiring.

@tophatcat9996

Жыл бұрын

These bots are out of control

@B3fromYT

Жыл бұрын

@TopHatCat999 No kidding! There are like for of them here!

This show has helped me in so many ways. I've done some bad things to people in my life due to alcoholism (not anything near as bad as Bojack) and I always fluctuated between feeling paralyzing guilt for the things I did and the mindset that everyone does shitty things so it doesn't matter if I did something bad too. This show helped me realize that there are no good or bad people, just people. I've done bad things and it's not okay, but I've genuinely made changes so that I wont hurt anyone that way again. That doesn't undo anything I've done, but it means that I don't have to live life hating myself for things I'm trying to fix. It also helped me realize that life doesn't always have a resolution. I would like nothing more than to genuinely apologize and convey my true remorse to those people I hurt and have that resolve the damage they have from my actions. But some of them don't even want to speak to me so I haven't even had the chance to apologize, I likely never will and that's okay, I'm not owed that opportunity and I hope they find their own happiness in spite of my actions. I hate saying that I identify with Bojack because I really want to hate him. But by doing that I'd be hating myself and that's not going to help anybody. I'm glad I got to a healthy point before I had the time to do worse things on the level of Bojack, but it scares me that the potential for that kind of destructive behavior is inside of me.

I don’t like to talk like this, but Bojack saved my life. Helped me stay sober. Can’t thank this show enough.

@grantsullivan2140

Жыл бұрын

we are glad you are hear and sober

Thought this would never come out. This has been an absolute blast of a series to follow.

@terencecobain

Жыл бұрын

@oog1129 It was definitely worth the wait.

I like to give special thanks to Schaffrillas for me doing only the audio editing in 1:28:10 to 1:42:52 , even I never seen or heard anything about BoJack Horseman since it's my first experience to know about the series and I am grateful to make it for James in the right time. For my 25th birthday gift that I wish to become a video editor for Schaffrillas, and then my wish is finally came true that I will do my best to make videos for his upcoming projects!

@fishpastethe4th340

Жыл бұрын

You did a great job 👍🏾 keep it up!

@OfficialPSASD

Жыл бұрын

@@fishpastethe4th340 Thanks!

@ElectricSnivy

Жыл бұрын

Not sure if you picked the music or not, but either way I have to say it was edited so well! it felt so much different from other analyzes I've watched with the subtle eerie music in the background (also the buildup itself could qualify for its own emotional climax within the ep tbh, actually have chills great job!)

@OfficialPSASD

Жыл бұрын

@@ElectricSnivy I only made the audio for Schaffrillas' and SpaceTree's recorded lines, not the music.

Episode 15 was so creepy to me, especially with me watching it at night. I actually had to skip Secretariat's poem, and I just felt fear throughout the episode. Great episode.

They specifically didn't shoot up the heroin, they snorted it "like sophisticated adults" so the needle is what DIDN'T kill her. I think "the needle drops" is a reference to literally them dropping the IDEA of using needles and then snorting instead. But needle imagery is still associated with heroin so maybe it isn't such a big deal.

@spottedgecko113

8 ай бұрын

When I first watched the show, I thought the needle dropping was a reference to a hospital, especially because Sarah Lynn died in a hospital. I didn't really think of heroin even though that's pretty obvious.

This show really took me on a journey. I think the stories told and the characters will stick with me for a long long time. Thanks for reminding me why I loved it so much.

@pepito2847

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I know that the moral of the ending is life goes on Good or bad, things will come your way But I still believe Bojack was unjustifiably robbed of a deserved happy ending He did what Diane got him to do and got help Then was doing something productive with his life in teaching Then the parasites that are the media had to stick their noses in his life Its disgusting

The show was not canceled because of the strike, Raphael Bob-Waksberg has said multiple times that the unionization was being done at The Tornante Company and that season 6 was the final one due to Netflix contracts expiring. Also he said the show was supposed to go for at least 10 seasons.

@anitaremenarova6662

Жыл бұрын

I feel like that's for the best. Season 5 was already losing steam fast so at least the show ended before becoming another Family Guy clone.

@beabea3770

Жыл бұрын

@@anitaremenarova6662 I don't think it would have ever become a Family Guy clone, I feel like it would have been more like an overlong soap opera, where the drama was engaging at first but then got too over the top.

@meevins

Жыл бұрын

man the show was clearly showing burnout in season 5 so i have no idea how they'd even manage to produce another 5 seasons of content. it really should've ended when it did but i just wish they used their time a bit better

@michaelstrong5383

Жыл бұрын

Personally, when season 5 ended with Bojack about to go into rehab, that's when I knew the show is about to end.

@fricketyfracktraintrack

Жыл бұрын

10 seasons?! Dear lord. I was actually relieved when I heard that season 6 would be the final one because I was like, 'oh thank god, I don't know how much more of this I can take,' especially after how season 5 ended. Somehow it felt like the darkest shit the series had done so far

My favorite send-off just has to be PC’s. It’s so good to see her achieve everything she wanted for the whole show by having a loving relationship, a child, and a good work-life balance. It’s so fun to hear that Judah is mainly a stay-at-home dad because the only thing he’s ever done for PC is make her life easier and taking care of Ruthie is the best way he can do that now. Also, of course, its amazing to see so much closure for Bojack and PC, probably my favorite friendship in the show (sorry Todd yours is also baller.) We hear how Bojack wanted to take care of Princess Caroline like she always did for him, and gives her some solid advice in or out of the pretend context. Also, the line “i like it better this way” or smthn along those lines cements that PC doesn’t live for others anymore. Sure, a sitcom ending would have made Bojack happy, but the fake-wedding she had made Her happy. (Also sidenote but i love earlier in the series when Bojack finds Hollyhock’s mom, because in the same ep PC does something for herself. Its a perfect dichotomy of their characters with flip-flopping their actions. Bojack is going out of his way for someone else where PC does something to make herself happy. I dont rember what it is but it makes me happy)

You know a show is good when the second to worst season is still an 8/10

The whole arc about him only wanting to date women way younger than him really gave leonardo dicaprio a lot of depth as a character and really made me find him far more interesting as a character.

@springfaux6991

Жыл бұрын

THE BOTS THEY'RE EVERYWHERE

@WobblesandBean

Жыл бұрын

He's still creepy af though.

@Catsby83

Жыл бұрын

Literally this same joke is one of the most popular comments on the S5 retrospective.

@helenaperez4343

Жыл бұрын

@@Catsby83 a lot of the comments in this comment section are, it’s really annoying :(

For the record, it’s been confirmed by the creator that season 7 would’ve explored more of Bojacks dad and taken a look at his failed novel. I think that would’ve been worthwhile. He also mentioned a look at Hollywoo history through the lens of Lenny Turtletaub. I’ll say it…. We Were Robbed.

@sasir2013

Жыл бұрын

that all sounds like pretty secondary stuff to be honest. We already know enough about his book, since all we needed to know was that he never got to finish it and barely worked on it, because as much as he wanted to pretend being a hard working, deep and disciplined guy, all he was is a shameless scoundrel. And...why would hollywoo story be important for the characters? yeah, you could give lenny a little bit of dept, but he's such a secondary character that vanessa gecko, judah, margo martindale or any similar character would add just as much to the show, specially at this point of the plot, and most of them would be more entertaining. In short, those sounds like, "we are running out of ideas" plots to pad out the needed episodes for a full season

@00dude3

Жыл бұрын

Sounds redundant as a concept. Might as well do a bojack prequel series in that case

@Aetharn

4 ай бұрын

@@sasir2013He did get to finish it though, and died trying to duel someone who reviewed it

I've actually thought a good amount about the part in the dinner where Crackerjack says most of his kills were friendly fire, because I don't think he actually did, but the actual reason why he said it in Bojack's dream is actually a lot more interesting. It always felt weird to me because Bojack never met him, and thus would never have been told by Crackerjack that he had multiple friendly fire kills. I considered that maybe Beatrice had told him, but she never saw him after he shipped out either, and would not have known. I also thought about how perhaps Honey had told Beatrice, and then she told Bojack, but we see nearly all the interactions they have between Honey reading the letter, her downwards spiral, and her subsequent lobotomy. After she has had her lobotomy, I highly doubt she would ever even mention Crackerjack, if she even could post lobotomy, much less the fact that he had killed his fellow troops, because of how much she had loved him. In addition, she especially wouldn't want to ever think about how his death wasn't even for the greater good or honorable even. Another huge reason why I don't think he actually did is because of military policies. Crackerjack supposedly killed multiple allies during his time serving, presumably accidentally. This means that he was probably killed actually in the line of duty, meaning he was not discharged after either of the incidents, which I just feel like they would at least have put him away from battle in a support role after the second time, if not the first, but more likely would have discharged him. The final nail in this coffin is that the military would most likely not want to tell mothers if their children had done something like this, and also died in combat. It was real military policy to tell mothers that their children had died heroically, and their sacrifices were not in vain so that American mothers, fathers, and loved ones in general would not suffer so much. Now that you know why Crackerjack didn't actually have any friendly fire kills, you may be wondering why Bojacks 'memory' of him says that he did. I believe there's one of two things that caused this to happen, and both, in my opinion, are equally probable, and pretty similar. The first is that, after Honey had her lobotomy, effectively cutting off any love Beatrice might receive from her, she may have developed a resentment towards Crackerjack, as he received their mother's love and praise, while because of him she would never get that. I would also not be surprised if lobotomized Honey sung Crackerjack's praises often, contributing to the growing resentment in Beatrice. This likely resulted in her creating a false memory of him having these kills, and possibly telling this to Bojack sometime, meaning to Bojack it was true, because he had no other source to go off of. The second thing that may have caused it is a bit more interesting, but still similar. In this scenario, Beatrice instead put Crackerjack on a pedestal, and thus would constantly be comparing Bojack to him throughout Bojack's childhood. This would lead to a false memory of Crackerjack having this one major flaw developing in Bojack through his developmental years so that he could feel like he was better than him even though his mom would always say otherwise. Of course this would not be a conscious development, and thus Bojack would never know it wasn't true or ever consciously think about the fact, and Crackerjack is able to confidently say this at the dinner table. I believe this was another attempt by Bojack's subconscious, who of course never knew Crackerjack and would need to fill in a lot of gaps to have him at this death dinner, to make Bojack feel like he wasn't inferior. I feel like this may be one of the things they wanted to touch on in the planned season 7, and I feel it would have made for an interesting arc and a good episode where it'd be the main focus. Let me know what you think please :)

@annonymouslyannoying7297

Жыл бұрын

That's some really good insight actually

@commanderstars7631

Жыл бұрын

Honestly I agree with this fully and this was really well thought out!!

@Groggle7141

Жыл бұрын

Bro it’s not that deep, Bojacks brain just made it up.

@beabea3720

Жыл бұрын

@@Groggle7141 and this is explaining WHY his brain made it up, you dip

@genericname2747

Жыл бұрын

​@@Groggle7141 This is Bojack Horseman. Everything is deep

One of my favorite lines came from Paige Sinclair when they were trying to find penny and she tried to run and she said "oh poop our scoop flew the coop" love it

Schaff should check out Moral Orel at some point. That show is amazing as it is and, without it, Bojack Horseman wouldn't be what it is.

@RogueAstro85

Жыл бұрын

"I hate you, dad"

@joaquimqueiroz9714

Жыл бұрын

Yep, that episode is pretty harsh

@jillnyethegirlwhosbi3772

Жыл бұрын

YES

@mzmendy

Жыл бұрын

I just re-watched it last week. A LOT darker than I remembered. Also had to rush the last season cause of cancelation, and my puppy loves it for some reason. Very heavy themes were explored really well though.

@joaquimqueiroz9714

Жыл бұрын

Schaff's editor used a clip of Moral Orel in his DreamWorks ranked video when he talked about Shrek the Third, so I'm sure Schaff knows about the show's existence.

Man this retrospective has been great, it was truly nice while it lasted.

i actually finished watching this show the day i got out of the psych ward. i can remember watching most of season 6 while in the emergency room after my attempt. i can honestly say this show changed me. i saw myself in several characters. diane, bojack, penny, etc. it scared me that i could relate to some negative aspects of these characters. it made me want to get better. yeah, recovery can suck, but i started to realize that maybe it was worth it. the view from halfway down in particular stuck with me. i could relate to that feeling considering what i did before watching that episode. and god was it a gut punch. i cant say this show “cured” me or whatever, and i still struggle daily, but it really did change how i view my life, trauma, depression, and suicide attempt.

I think that the point of that scene where Mr. PB was letting Pickles go to Joey Pogo is that the relationship did actually end there and Mr. PB was aware of this. I think he knew that Pickles genuinely loved Joey Pogo and that letting her go would effectively end their relationship. However, Mr. PB lets her go anyway because he realises that that's what will make Pickles happy and that he's now okay with being by himself. I think this is why Mr. PB saying that Pickles broke up with him was a throwaway gag, because the relationship actually ended in that one scene before. I still feel like the plot was kinda stretched out and rushed at the same time, but I actually really liked this specific part of the plotline because it subtly showed Mr. PB finally listening to what Pickles wants, even if she doesn't know it herself yet. That could just be me looking way too hard into these crazy dogs though

crazy how a show about a talking horse became this deep and realistic

@lemonpepperwingz4351

Жыл бұрын

To be fair the most realistic show I've also ever seen in recent years next to BH is also an animated preschool show about family of dogs so it's not too far-fetched as far as I know.

@esteboi3858

Жыл бұрын

@SсhaffriIIas Рroductions 🅥 you’ve finally become based

@jesstube6466

Жыл бұрын

@@lemonpepperwingz4351 bluey is peak

I’m happy you took so long to make this, it really shows how much effort was put into creating it. You did this perfectly.

i wish i could watch bojack for the first time again, it was such an emotional rollercoaster. i was bawling my eyes out during the finale lmao. it's definitely my favorite tv show aswell 👍

@bellamyhibler

Жыл бұрын

i literally JUST said this to my best friend. this show healed a part inside me and i’ll never get to watch it for the first time ever again and that’s really depressing

BoJack has to be my favorite animated piece of all time. This show used the goofiness of the anthropomorphic animals as a cover to draw people in and lull them into a false sense of security just to really ramp it up. It's a fantastic work and I'm so glad Will Arnett got to showcase his range

I HATED the ending when I first watched it. Like, during the last shot, I was legitimately frustrated. No grand finale, he survived the view from halfway down, and the last few lines is just an easy callback to the beginning of the series when they sat on the roof. I was so angry that it spoiled the entirety of the show before it. But...I couldn't stop thinking about it. For weeks. How would I have written it? What was supposed to happen to Bojack? Why was I really that angry when the show was clearly a masterpiece? I felt, uneasy. Off balanced actually. So I watched the whole show again. And I watched the last episode a few times. And realized that the show said something so honest, so hurtful, that I was unwilling to see it before. I've hurt a lot of people in my past. I had a fractured relationship with my mom. I've been fired or quit every job I've had. I'm a womanizer. I even watched a girl OD right in front of me, the story of Sarah Lynn still haunts me. I saw so much of Bojack in myself. The ways we victimized ourselves, the ways we would double down, the ways we would lie and say we were "working on it", the ways we just couldn't move on with our lives. That was the big one. And, in a way, I came to watch the show for answers. I wanted to know if my life would end at the bottom of a pool. I hoped it would. And then...he survived. He comes out of jail and everyone is just living their life, and he's just there. No revelatory ending, you just keep on living. And I saw my future in those last shots. I had reached out like a month before to my high school sweetheart, 15 years after we've seen each other. I told her I still thought of her. She said she hopes I can move on and she's happily married. I'd been working in retail for almost a decade, frozen in a position while my peers were promoted or even worse, leaving to start their careers. My past friends moved while I stayed in the same city, flings I had were all with families now, my sisters grew up into outstanding women. I was forgotten while the world moved on without me. And I saw that in the last episode. Everyone in their own way tells Bojack they wish him the best, but ultimately they have their life without him. And at the end, when even Diane is ok with walking away, I knew that Bojack Horseman spoke a deeper truth, and a deeper tragedy, than any dramatic finale could perform. I knew I wouldn't die alone...I would live alone if I stayed on my path. And while the ending wasn't as hard hitting as New Mexico, or The Sugarman House, or even The View From Halfway down before it (that episode needs to go into The Louve or something), it's given me a life of contemplation and examination. And also gave me what I consider the greatest finale of all time to the best show of all time.

“But you can’t have happy endings on television, because if everyone is happy the show would be over, but there is always more show” Even tho it was probably not on purpose, I fell like everything after “the face of depression” is a manifestation of those words

I was glad they had another episode with him alive. As someone who has had many friends and family members attempt suicide, the dark tone- especially that poem- really fucked me up. I sat on my bed for 30 minutes just gobsmacked by how heavy that episode was. It made me feel so upset and nervous. Having that episode afterwards calmed me and reminded me of more everyday life stuff to ground me.

“You are more than what happens to you” thank you for wording it this way. I get that that was the point of that side plot as well, but having the actual words said out loud helps to really solidify it.

Diane wrote the story and the representation she wished she had, and truly needed, as a child. She wanted to make an impact, but usually failed to understand the scale that worked with her needs. She didn't have to go to Cordovia to make a difference. She didn't have to end world hunger, or take down the establishment in Hollywood, or expose the horrific actions of others. She gave future Dianes a character to represent them.

I really appreciate that despite admitting to laziness and procrastination, y'all put a lot of effort into the final analysis on Bojack Horseman. I started to watch Bojack Horseman in June of this year. It was two months after my dad died. At first I wasn't watching it consistently, cuz I thought it would be unhealthy of me due to already suffering with depression pre and post my father's death. So after a small hiatus, I decided to binge watch the whole series. I can honestly say that I love it so much. I completely understand parts of the show not making sense, being odd, but I also felt some moments being close to home. A little too close to home. As I was watching the show, I decided to watch your reviews for every season. As I finished season six. It took a while for me to cry. I was in utter silence over the ending, and the journey I took watching this series. My mother was really worried that I would fall under a greater depression and end up doing something that would hurt a lot of people. But I didn't. In some ways, I hate that I watched this series understanding some aspects of the show I could relate to. But, I'm also glad that I could learn and grow to be better in the future. I'm also just glad I saw these reviews, their funny and show a great analysation. In the end, IT WAS NICE WHILE IT LASTED.

the view from halfway down is genuinely such a beautiful episode and it makes me feel so many emotions every time i watch it

This show was so good, but it definitely affected my mental wellbeing during my first watch. Not sure if I ever can again, so happy to have this series to go back to

@nickoriii

Жыл бұрын

i binged neon genesis evangelion and Bojack horseman at the same time (I'd switch back and forth when i wanted a change of pace) and holy shit it wasn't good for me, i really thought Bojack was just an adult comedy 💀 good shows though, I've rewatched both on their own with friends after that but i just shouldn't have finished both in the same week

@heyyfirefly

Жыл бұрын

Same, it can trigger some of my substance abuse problems, but its such a valuable series, wanna rewatch again sometime, maybe when I am in a better place.

Schaff is the reason I checked out Bojack (after watching the entirety of his analyses for seasons 1-5 unfortunately) and it’s safe to say that the show has irreversibly impacted me and how I go about living my day to day life. The subtleties and outright boldness of Bojack Horseman made an experience that I can’t say any other show has ever rivaled for me. Binging it over the course of a couple weeks back in August was an experience I’m so grateful for and one that made me feel so sad when it finally came to an end. I haven’t been able to shut up about this incredible creation since and now it’s nearly December. Stupid Piece of Sh*t and The View From Halfway Down are two episodes that displayed concepts around mental health and the human experience so gorgeously, that I’ve ranted to friends who have never seen the show about these two episodes to the point that they could probably recite the plot themselves. I truly love this show, for more than just Todd, even though he is truly the best character to ever bless Netflix’s platform. Thank you for making this series, your analyses of Bojack Horseman introduced me to this fantastic show and I think it has truly done this magnificent piece of work justice! I’m so excited to finally see the takes and opinions you have for the final season, especially now that I have finally seen and experienced the season before your analysis anyway :)

I remember watching the whole show in a couple months at one of the lowest points of my life. If it weren't for the show, I don't think I'd be the same person I am today or even be alive. Thank you Schaff for taking the time and dedication to making this whole series on the best thing that ever happened.

R.I.P Patrick. You'll be missed.

A detail you mightve missed in season 4, when bojack tells Beatrice how theyre all eating ice cream, she looks down implying she might know its bojack trying to make her dream fantasy