This ramen is my girlfriend I still gonna try even though I'm not gonna win anything

@DuchessCelestia

3 жыл бұрын

hello! congratulations - you've been drawn as the winner of the tablet! if you're still interested in it, please respond within 72 hours (failure to do so will result in the winner being redrawn) with the method you'd like to be contacted for shipping details!

@kazuna_airlines

3 жыл бұрын

@@DuchessCelestia whaaaaaaat, this never happened to me ever before, ok well idk how you like to contact me, i have email, discord, instagram

@kazuna_airlines

3 жыл бұрын

@@DuchessCelestia my discord is Endi#6707 and email is hendrikus76222@gmail.com and instagram it's Kazuna.endi i also have a twitter @ItsEndiYT

@kazuna_airlines

3 жыл бұрын

@@DuchessCelestia can i say the shipping details here?

@DuchessCelestia

3 жыл бұрын

for your own privacy, you probably shouldn’t!! i’ll DM you on twitter later tonight if that works for you!

"hard work beats talent if talent doesn't work hard"

@DuchessCelestia

3 жыл бұрын

YES i love that omg

@Grimmijaggers

2 жыл бұрын

that's one of my favourite sayings

For me personally when I get called “talented” I get mix feelings on it depending on who the person is. For example if it’s a artist that’s better than me then I feel like it’s supposed to no mockery even if it isn’t supposed to. When other non artist call me it, I feel like I should be doing much better then currently.

@DuchessCelestia

3 жыл бұрын

ahhh yeah, i can definitely relate, that’s fair. it seems to elicit a lot of different feelings in everyone!

This Ramen is my Girlfriend I accidentally called an artist friend talented, she did not take it well, but I did not mean she didn't work hard to get where she is. I just saw her work as amazing and have a very small vocabulary so it popped into my head as a way to describe it positively But I do try hard to not use the word and instead change it to skilled

@DuchessCelestia

3 жыл бұрын

that’s totally not your fault!! the point is that you meant it in the best possible way ❤️💙

I saw a quote: "talent is overrated, practice isn't". A lot of people have different opinions on being called "talented".. No one was born on earth knowing how to draw, some of us just loves to draw and is determined to make it better and better. I am no artist, this is just what I've observed when I was watching my little sister so our opinions might vary :)) this ramen is my girlfriend I would also like to participate because my little sister is an aspiring artist! She's currently 13 and i think this will be a good starting point for her.. Good luck to everyone who is also joining.

@DuchessCelestia

3 жыл бұрын

yes, exactly! that’s very well said!! and it’s so sweet of you to do that for your sister ;u; good luck!!

@nomi2108

3 жыл бұрын

this is the sweetest comment i saw in the comment section, goodluck!

@izy3528

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you guys 🙏! I really like how her face looks like she really enjoys what she's doing

I've literally just been called "talented" by one of my mutuals that never shows any real interest in my drawings on twitter... I used to feel honored in the past when someone would drop that word, but now it kinda feels like a slap to the face ^^" Especially since I'm watching so many art tutorials and webinars to increase my skill and abilities; putting in 6-8 hours for a single drawing at least :/ I'd rather have people acknowledge my hard work and progress than just giving this semi fake pep talk... And yet I hardly get any traction while people keep throwing that word around all the time... I personally really dont like it even if the person that says it has no ill intentions 🥺💜 Thanks for the video. Very interesting topics 💯

@DuchessCelestia

3 жыл бұрын

i’m 100% with you on that, it’s so frustrating 😞 but it’s awesome that you’re working so hard on your art!

@kurox3nek0

3 жыл бұрын

@@DuchessCelestia Thank you ^^ Always giving it my best :3

6:64 I do art but I can’t visualize things in my head and yes honestly I agree with all of your points I hate it when people say I’m a natural born artist or I’m talented I still have a lot to work on and I just spend a lot of free time drawing

Me and my friends on discord had once a conversation about aphantasia, which is the inability to voluntarily create a mental picture in your head and how it affects dreaming and imagination to various degrees in their life. It was a very interesting discussion, especially when I myself think my imagination goes off the track at times

The only talent artists are born with is the passion to create, and the will to keep drawing no matter what

My mom can't draw anything creative but she can draw things well, when she has a reference. I've seen her drawings and they are awesome.

@DuchessCelestia

2 жыл бұрын

that’s really interesting!!

@hvnsl

2 жыл бұрын

@@DuchessCelestia ye

As one of my old animation professors used to say, you shouldn't put as much weight on praise given by people who don't do art because they can't see your flaws and give you an ego that'll crash and burn when in the industry. Not his exact words but it's been seven years and that's just how I remember it. You gotta put the hard work in. Sleepless nights figure drawing, painting, etc. Though its going to be real hard for some people more than others and can be super discouraging unfortunately....

@DuchessCelestia

3 жыл бұрын

that’s a very, very good point!! i agree completely!!

I always remember my uncle saying "So you Do have talent!" when I showed him my first commission. He had told me I had no future just a day or so beforehand. It made me So Mad, because I worked my Ass off, spent a year in an overpriced art school that shut down, and put myself in debt to further my art career despite the fact that I Also can't visualize things in my mind (wowrightmeow has a great video on aphantasia, check it out if you wanna know more). And he makes this Backhanded compliment to diminish my pride. Please choose your words carefully, guys. You have No idea how much tone and phrasing can change the effect of them.

*Breaks out into song detailing my adoration for ramen* "So? How much do you love ramen?" "This ramen is my girlfriend."

@DuchessCelestia

3 жыл бұрын

LMFAO are you actually entering the giveaway or are you just very passionate about ramen

@takatotakasui8307

3 жыл бұрын

@@DuchessCelestia Even I cannot tell Jk I don't need it

This ramen is my girlfriend 😎😎 Some artists hate being called talented because they weren’t born with the ability to draw. Like most people, artists have to practice to gain that ability to draw. People saying it’s just talent can make the artist feel like all their practice was meaningless. Or that’s how I would see it!

@DuchessCelestia

3 жыл бұрын

yeah, agreed! it’s a skill like anything else, and natural aptitude towards it (if it exists at all) means nothing without years of practice!

As someone who isn't happy with her art pieces very often I appreciate it when others find my work decent even if I don't. Being called "talented," however... I think that's a bit of a stretch. If it were with my singing or acting I'd accept that. But my art has taken me roughly 6 years and I'm STILL not a hundred percent happy with it some of the time. If someone says "You're really coming along. Congrats on your progress" or something similar about my artwork I appreciate it more simply because I have been working hard to improve. This video has a very good explanation on this subject and I appreciate the views given. Also your art is beautiful and I loved watching your process!

This ramen is girlfriend 🍜🌹✨ A very good topic to discuss about! I feel like people may or may not have a talent towards something when they are young for example maybe art but I also believe that it fades away if you don’t work on it so in the end everything still comes back to the person’s hard work itself. That is probably why I do feel bad when I even see other artists that I know worked very hard to improve their skills get comments like “you’re naturally gifted” or “you’re so lucky to be born with this talent.” But at the end of the day it depends on the person and how they perceive it and they honestly might be positive about it and that’s definitely more than okay. It’s natural to have different opinions.

@DuchessCelestia

3 жыл бұрын

agreed completely!

One side I haven’t really seen explored very often is that “talented” gets thrown around so much it could start to lose its meaning. I personally don’t like being called/to,d my work is cute because to it’s a “nothing word”. Which just means it’s something people say when they don’t have anything to say. I know most people mean well when they say it, but seeing the solo word “cute” on a picture I took hours completing just makes it feel like all that work was wasted. But that’s honestly just me and with that word As far as talented, I do believe in talent, but past a certain point I think talent becomes a skill. But, but like you said, you can’t really prove whether or not talent actually exists

@DuchessCelestia

3 жыл бұрын

that’s a very good point!! and oh my god i feel that deeply, i get “cute” thrown at me all the time too and i highkey relate to that frustration even if their intention was good in saying it ;;

@Dragmiredraws

3 жыл бұрын

@@DuchessCelestia the struggle is real XD

I totally understand this! It’s so frustrating even though I know they’re not trying to do that to me but I don’t know how to respond either other than just replying with a very very very awkward thank you...? Then I may seem rude but I actually feel that way. I feel even more worse when people actually think that I draw well just because I have the talent and the only reason they’re not is that they weren’t born with it and unlike what you said about your results it’s completely opposite here. Many of my fellow classmates just say that I’m smart and that’s why I get better results but I’m well aware of the fact that without studying I would be much worse off. THAT’S WHY IT LOWKEY TICKS ME OFF 😭 Trying to absorb the fact that people actually think that someone is good at what they do just because they were born with it is really sad. Anywayyy thank you so much for holding this awesome giveaway! I would love to enter. This ramen is my girlfriend.

@DuchessCelestia

3 жыл бұрын

YES exactly!! i’ve been told the same thing re: intelligence and then natural success without effort coming as a result, and it’s like,,, having a naturally easier time with a thing does not mean that doing that thing subsequently requires no work. it’s a base upon which to develop knowledge, practice, and skill, not a free card that gets you through life without trying ;; i know no one means it insultingly, too, which always makes me feel bad about being frustrated by it lmao

Art is just like any other course or study. You work hard, you research, you practice, and you understand as you work on it. You give in blood, sweat and tears to sharpen it to be a blade you can be proud of. You don't really see that many people say 'You're such a talented chef!' . Being a chef means knowing the ingredients which you would throw together to make a dish and how each of them would affect each other as well as said dish. Art is the same Actually, most occupations and hobbies are the same. You give in persistent effort and you gain eventual results. You may have talent, the ability to analyse something's structure and know how you wish to recreate it better than most, but your art still started as a wobbly, disfigured atrocity before you chiseled it into something clear and majestic. You might have been talented for all we know, but in the end, it was only hard work and determination that brought you this far. On another note, this piece of art you drew in the video is absolutely adorable!! I love it so much! Keep up the good work, you can do it!! ...... Sorry to ruin this somewhat dramatic comment but...... This ramen is my girlfriend. Don't use KZread much, so contact on Twitter is @MayhapsKayDee

@DuchessCelestia

3 жыл бұрын

yes, exactly!! that’s really, really well put!! ahhh thank you so much!!

I can understand what you mean. I also think what your mother said is actually the right brain, left brain thing where one side of the brain see more in the creative light and the other see more in the technical light. I've too been called talented those many years of draw has gotten me where I am and I agree if you do it enough time that you get good at it as well!

@DuchessCelestia

3 жыл бұрын

oh, interesting!! yeah, that makes sense!

As an artist myself as well. I hate being called " talented" as well like THANKS its not like i been working my ass off for 10+ years. blood, sweat, and tears. no I dont have skill, im just talented. Grinds my gears.

My boyfriend: "You know how much I love you right?" Me, a bisexual: "Yes, But.. " Bf: ?? Me: "This ramen is my girlfriend. " Just kidding, I love him too much. But yes, this has many good points and I totally agree.

Whenever someone calls me talented, i just think back to when i first started drawing and i drew a trex that had a tail that wasn't even ATTACHED to the body.

That apple discussion is really interesting. I love to draw, and I personally think I'm pretty great at it. But I can't see an apple in my head. I know the elements of an apple though: round, red, has that little stem. But I can't see the apple. Maybe a faint figure if I think hard about it, but more than anything I've personally memorized the individual elements then proceed to put them all together.

@DuchessCelestia

3 жыл бұрын

that’s incredibly fascinating!!

That's interesting, usually when I call someone talented, I just mean they're skilled or have a skill. Just because you have a talent doesn't mean you didn't work for it. Even if you work for something it doesn't change the fact that it eventually became a talent of yours that distinguishes you from normal people who have no skills.

@DuchessCelestia

3 жыл бұрын

yeah, i feel like a lot of people mean that when they say it - it’s definitely something that tends to be defined differently by everyone who both gives and receives it as a compliment!

I personally think talent in art is the ability to learn faster. So yeah, talent exists.

This ramen is my girlfriend. Listennn I actually 100 agree with this perspective. I don't really like being called 'talented' because not only do I not feel talented, I feel like the amount of time, effort, and practice that went into my hobby gets delegitimized. It gets especially frustrating because my 'talent' isnt on a professional level yet despite my practicing and thus makes me realize I still have time and room to grow but that just referring to it as 'talent' makes it seem like a stagnant thing. It may not be intended as an insult, but it comes across as this backhanded compliment.

@DuchessCelestia

3 жыл бұрын

yes, that’s a really really good way of putting it!! i feel the same!!

I personally enjoy being called talented, it’s like they realise the effort going into my work if they don’t really know too much about art. When they then start to ask “how did you get like that? is it from pure talent?” it gets too much. It’s never pure talent, I just learnt how to colour in the lines as a kid and wanted to continue from there.

This ramen is my girlfriend. Very well put video. I myself was never fond of the whole talented compliment. Not saying it was bad either. After all, some people do seem like they are gifted with talent. But we also have to remember that many people work hard to get to where they are. PS: Love your art! Beautifully done!

@DuchessCelestia

3 жыл бұрын

agreed, and thank you so much!! ;u;

i also have aphantasia and i’m still an artist, sure it’s harder for me but i just prevail and have a passion for it!

I AM SO GLAD YOU HAVE MADE THIS VIDEO! I have been stuck with this topic in my head every night whenever someone calls me talented at art. Talent exists, but I don’t believe that art is. Things like singing and gymnastics or etc. would be talent because talent is something you’re born with and are naturally good at. If you’re born just not flexible and stiff you wouldn’t be able to bend backward. Or maybe you have a limited range with your voice. Art can include talent, but that can still turn into skill. Singing and gymnastics is definitely a skill too with practice, but to unlock that skill you’ll most likely need to start with a little talent. Talent + practice = skill

@artistbanana8092

2 жыл бұрын

Just a thought: If talent is something you’re born with, then could a body part be talent?! Is hair a talent? Are fingers a talent? Is BREATHING A TALENT?!

So, I got to the mention of not seeing things in your mind and wanted to throw my two cents in before I forgot. I've been an artist since I was a child and I have much the same thing, I can sometimes picture very simple things in my mind, but my minds eye is mostly incredibly blank, I can't even fathom what it would be like to be able to picture things clearly. To adjust for this, essentially instead my mind focuses on how it would go about trying to draw things, and then I sketch things so that I can see them in front of me tangibly. References are a huge help too. I pretty much agree with the idea of talent not existing. I believe everyone is capable of learning art so long as their belief and interest in it is strong enough to carry them through some of the inevitable difficulties. From some stuff I've seen, when someone is first learning art, their mind and the way they think tries to get in the way of their improvement. Yet for every single person the way it does so is just a little bit different. everyone learns at different paces, and some understand some things quicker or slower than others. Every artist will reach problems in their work and process that they need to solve to continue. To me, art is this massive mental collection of microskills that build and build on eachother. So becoming an artist in this case is less of a "you have the ability or you don't" and more of a "how many of these skills can you build, and how are you going to overcome the ones you get stuck at?" I don't think some people that don't draw quite understand that we too were once at a point where we felt we could only draw stick figures well. The only difference is for whatever reason unique to each artist, we decided we weren't happy with that outcome and kept going. It's probably a hard perspective to step into the shoes of if you saw that you were only capable of drawing stick figures and decided "well, that's that then this isn't for me."

The afantasia (SP?) thing is something I’ve been wondering about. So, I first heard about it when a writer friend asked me if I see the scenes playout in my head that I write. And I was just like “yeah, of course”… and what she said, blew my mind. She didn’t. She didn’t see anything in her head when writing. Like, she didn’t have a visual of it. I had no idea that was a thing. Then I found out it’s not even /uncommon/. There are a lot of people who don’t. It’s a whole thing. Now, I’ve only ever heard it in regards to writers. So, I’ve always wondered how that works for artists. So, I’m glad you’re bringing it up. I suppose that’s why some artists only draw from actual life, such as portraits or… still life. Because they can’t visualise it in their mind first. - Which is actually boring to me, not their art, that’s often quite interesting, but I don’t like drawing that way unless it’s specifically for reference purposes (like, “what’s a couch look like? Actually, I like /MY/ couch, so I’m going to draw that for this pic”). But, anyway, that def doesn’t mean someone who doesn’t have that ablity can’t be an artist. And to end this… I see a red apple usually too, unless I’m specifically thinking /about/ green apples (which are my fave). Red apples, specifically “red delicious”, were what my mom usually bought, so yeah.

I disagree about talent's existence. I do believe talent exists, but I believe it exists as a result of other skills and someone's natural tendencies. For example, I am naturally good at singing in key because my disorder makes me more sensitive to sounds. I began drawing at 10 and I wasn't really any good until I was 16, so I prefer to be called skilled too. Anyways I believe even if talent does exist, the natural progression of skill makes it redundant at a certain point. Once your skill career reaches a certain point, your talent blends into the amorphous blob of hard work. Great video!

@DuchessCelestia

3 жыл бұрын

oh, that’s incredibly interesting!! thank you for sharing that!!

This reminds me of a talk my grandma and her sister had with me two years ago. They said that you're supposed to have talent to be good at art and then I said that I'm working hard to be one but then they dismissed me because I was drawing only Sonic art even though I drew humans sometimes too. Ngl I felt really frustrated back then. And here we are two years later and I'm gonna start my second year of art school.

I feel the same way, I spent years mastering my skill and the word talented feels like it takes away all the effort and hard work I had put in, and that I simply was born knowing how to draw... which isn't the case. I understand tho most people dont mean it in that way but some do, like saying ''you have talent so it's not hard for you'' and stuff like that, it genuinely sucks sometimes

This ramen is my girlfriend o-O When i get called talented or people imply it, i become a nervous wreck because of my anxiety. :]

@DuchessCelestia

3 жыл бұрын

oh man im so sorry ;;

So like, I know there are some people who have e a legitimate condition where they cannot imagine anything. That would definitely affect artistic skill. However, I also believe that creativity and imagination is a muscle just like anything else, and if you aren't working it out consistently, it atrophies. Like, in my current drawing class, I feel the most creative as I ever have. But I have classmates who feel like they are struggling to do anything out of the box because they are architects or realistic artists and don't necessarily flex that imagination and creativity muscle very often. So the question is, how many people who can't see the apple can't due to that condition, and how many have just essentially lost that ability due to not using it? It's a neat thing to think about.

I have aphantasia as well even though I have only known about it for like 3 years now. I always wondered what people meant when they were talking about visualizing and used to get angry if we had to do meditation techniques to calm down (think: "Imagine yourself on a lush green meadow, hear the birds singing, feel the wind on your skin" Type stuff) because I couldn't do that and was always scolded for not doing what I was told. But I never thought about that when drawing. I just drew. One can absolutely become a great artist even with aphantasia and having it made me believe in skill as well as talent; as cringy and pretentious that sound. Because I have always been able to just draw, despite not being able to visualize and I've never been one to use references either. I did have a tracing phase and am now using references from time to time, but I progressed with just doin it basically. I just drew all the way through kindergarden and then school. So I think I have a talent for it, but I needed to study anyway. I didn't magically create masterpieces or anything. And when I was done with school I realized quickly that I really need to train to maintain the skill or I lose a lot of it. I never had to think about that before because I was always drawing in school and after finishing school I just couldn't anymore because my depression got so bad that I basically stopped doing anything art related. I still struggle to get myself to draw at all because of the nonexistent motivation and how I am so frustrated about it and the fact that I lost so much skill because of it. I can now only draw relatively 'realistic' bodies as of now. I struggle with faces and clothes. The biggest difference though is that I hate everything I used to love and I really struggle to like what I create asa whole. As a kid and teenager I used to love the finished art and be proud of it and only later (even if it was minutes lol) find thinmgs I disliked and needed to improve on. Now I'm always displeased. But that's a me problem not an aphantasia problem I think. Ugh.. Sorry. I really just wanted to say that I believe in talent, but that's just a base to build on; it helps to maybe learn faster or need less tricks(?) and that people with aphantasia can absolutely be artists! Just as well as we are able to describe an apple even though we cant 'see' it, we can create. We just have to aproach it a bit differently. You just need to find something that works for you!

I agree. Couple years ago I did draw like 5 years old. But after hard work all of sudden I'm just "talented" in everyone's eyes. If I was talented I would have always been good at drawing. It is good to have your old drawings still with you and show them by asking "is this talent??" 😝 The key to become better is to study art (by yourself or in school), stay motivated and keep drawing no matter how bad they look. If it's bad. Study why is it bad and fix it. Don't scrap it and start all over again because then you're just wasting time and not learning anything If you are able to read this and your native language is not English I may (jokingly) just say you're talented in languages. Believe me, English isn't the easiest language out there to learn. It's actually a very complicated language. It's all about the practice

I myself am an artist, and I call ppl talented all the time, but its bcs to me it means that that person is rlly good at what they do, not impling that they were born being good at it, just that they rlly good (so usually i say "wow, ur so talented, I can see u worked hard for it).

@DuchessCelestia

3 жыл бұрын

yeah, that’s 100% fair!! i know a ton of people who mean it that way, and honestly, that’s hella valid 😎

This ramen is my girlfriend! Thank you for bringing us this awesome opportunity 💙

Im addicted to your content.

My history with art is particularly a mix of talent and learned skill. As a child, I drew animals more, it was something i just learned from looking at pictures, for people on the other hand, I was not as confident, I did drew them from time to time but they were cartoonish, and I had to learn about principles and techniques. In short I thought I was talented in art, but I also took the time to learn skills in art as well.

I don't realise how much time I spend doing art because I love doing it, so time flies by. I think that hard work and effort isn't always a fight. I disregard how much time I have spent to get to where I am. I would say that talent is actually enthusiasm!

That math bit! I can definitely relate to it right now. Though I do agree with your view point, I don’t think any artist who has stable foundation and art pieces can be the way they are as a result of being talented. I would rather say that they are sharpening up their art skills and literally anyone can do it if they want to and love arts! This ramen is my girlfriend.

@DuchessCelestia

3 жыл бұрын

agreed completely!!

I have the same thing where I can’t visualize and most stuff I do is based on looking at myself in a mirror and memorizing proportions and looking at how other people do it. Also where I can’t “see” I can “feel” so that helps a lot as well

This ramen is my girlfriend! All the best to everyone who has entered 🤙 Thank you so much for the giveaway!

personally, it is more annoying when people call "gifted" than talented idk why it is like that

Congratulations on 500 subs! This ramen is my girlfriend. YES! Finally someone talked about this, I’ve always felt this way not really saying anything about it cuz I don’t wanna upset anyone. It seriously feels like my hard work is overlooked when someone says that and especially when that person actually does art themselves or are associated to it in some way. Yeah I get not everyone means it that way but this is just my opinion on it.

@DuchessCelestia

3 жыл бұрын

thank you so much!! yeah, it can be really frustrating!! you have a right to feel upset or annoyed by it regardless of their intentions ❤️💙

I feel like being called Talented is kind of a Cop Out. I feel the correct term is 'Encouraged'. My drawings were stick figures too, but I took people saying 'wow, you're so good at this!' to heart, and I put more effort into my art than other 'Talents' I might have.

This Ramen is my girlfriend 🍜 Personally for why I would dislike being called talented is because I feel like the person infront of me is belittling themselves since for me becoming "talented" in art is just like you said : it's achievable for anyone given that you put time and effort into it Also great video :3

@DuchessCelestia

3 жыл бұрын

that’s a really good point!! i definitely agree, and i hope more people give themselves more credit when it comes to their ability to improve at art. and thank you so much!!

this picture is very beautiful and inspiring uwu

@DuchessCelestia

3 жыл бұрын

ahhh thank you!!

I cannot visualize things in my mind without an incredible level of effort and silence, but I'm still a pretty good artist if I do say so myself.

I love how Celestia was like, "I really wanna draw Paimon," in a different commentary vid, and she went through with drawing her in this one. 😊

The amount of times I've tried to say this exact thing to people. To me saying that someone is "talented" discards all the work they did to get where they are, just as someones favorate football player wasn't born knowing how to play the game artists aren't born with the ability to just draw with ease. Also dont take me as greedy😅 but This ramen is my girlfriend

@DuchessCelestia

3 жыл бұрын

exactly!! it can be so frustrating ;; and hahaha that’s not greedy at all, thank you for entering!

I view talent like a base stat that can only level up through skill. No matter what base stat you have, everyone has potential to improve to their theoretical cap.

Yesss, I soo agree

This ramen is my girlfriend. Congratulations on 550 subs and thank you for this chance.

@DuchessCelestia

3 жыл бұрын

thank you so much!! ❤️💙

This video made me remember this video discussion about Blue Period with the same topic XD

Thanks for carrying out this cool giveaway 🙈💖 This ramen is my girlfriend

7:04 If you want to know more WowRightMeow made a really good video on their experience with this problem.

While I believe innate talent exists aphantasia doesn't really hamper art skill much. They can often create more creative stuff as they pretty much feel out their designs in an iterative fashion. It's almost like sometimes your visual memory can get in the way of being creative. Also regarding the talented argument, often people conflate skilled and talented. They mean the exact same thing in their heads. Plus talent can be hard working.

on a honkai loading screen, it says something pretty interesting about talent I cant remember it properly but it was something along the lines of: “Every talent comes with a price. So, when they see her, they wonder: What price had she paid?” It’s pretty interesting if u think about it considering the subject of the video-

About the apple metaphor: It’s called Aphantasia, and it can happen from birth. I’ve never been able to visualize things, and although it’s tricky, I’m still able to be an artist!

This ramen is my girlfriend uwu I don't really mind if someone says I'm talented cuz I did work hard, but usually what bothers me is when they say "I can't even draw a stick figure". Like idk, look we all didn't know how to write but we practiced and improved as we got older. I think it's a bit similar to drawing and honestly to most things you have to or want to learn. So when people say that it's just ??? what do you expect me to say or feel? All I can say is, if you're interested in it and enjoy it, do it, keep practicing and there's bound to be some results y w y Plus, everyone is different so there's probably something they're good at that I'm not good at. aFJSKDJN it also reminds me when someone said they wanted to give up drawing cuz they'll never be good at art like asian people and saying how asians are better at everything as if they were born with it and didn't have to work hard. I was like ????? (oh and you can contact me on instagram or twitter @ Somnvari > w < your art is super pretty!)

@DuchessCelestia

3 жыл бұрын

yeah, i feel that, agreed!! and omg that sure is,,,, a bold statement from that person thank you so much!!

its basically the same as how being called "gifted" is practically an insult

This ramen is my girlfriend! I’m happy to have discovered your channel and I hope to see videos just as relatable and interesting as this.

@DuchessCelestia

3 жыл бұрын

thank you so much!! i hope you enjoy my future content!! ;u; ❤️💙

@seerat524

3 жыл бұрын

@@DuchessCelestia I surely will! 💙💙

this ramen is my girlfriend- 😳 I totally understand and agree with what you are saying. I don’t like to be called talented because it makes me feel worse about my art and I know I’m not practicing as I should be and as I want to be. To be honest, I just want to be able to improve with a lot of hard work. Talent doesn’t stay forever but hard work always shows results which I really need to start doing soon and figure out how to manage my time with all the other stuff going on in my life. This was just a really long random rant. Don’t mind me-

@DuchessCelestia

3 жыл бұрын

that’s totally valid, i completely understand and relate!! i love rants lmao dw about that at all ahaha

I have a bit of a mixed opinion on this topic. I've been drawing since my early childhood (about 4 years old I think) and I feel like some stuff is more like a talent because it's become something natural now since I've practised it so early on and I don't even remember it fully. And I guess I'm kinda good at picking colors. Knowing that, I don't feel offended as much, but still if someone just calls me "talented" it feels like all the other stuff that I practiced for years doesn't matter as much

This ramen is my girlfriend. 😂 Btw the inability to visualize mental images is called Aphantasia. I first heard about this from another youtuber (AmyRightMeow) talking about it and if they had said the name of it I forgot so I Googled it. When I first heard it I was confused, I thought everyone could imagine things in their minds but apparently that's not the case.

@DuchessCelestia

3 жыл бұрын

oh, that’s really cool!! thank you for letting me know! i had no idea there was an actual term for it!

@cisemdemirci516

3 жыл бұрын

You're welcome 😊

I also can’t visualise but I’m still trying to draw and I think I’m doing not too bad now that I know how to draw certain things

@DuchessCelestia

2 жыл бұрын

that’s interesting!! it sounds like a lot of people in the comments here are in the same boat - it’s really cool to hear about!!

woah this is so cool! thank you for hosting this giveaway 💙💙 this ramen is my girlfriend

My mom is 100% one of the people who don’t see art as a job. All I tell her is I want to be a concept artist and work in the industry and all she says is, “Oh, so you wanna be a starving artist. You’re not gonna be able to pay the bills.” My sister often defends me, saying things like, “You don’t think her art is good enough. Being a concept artist is a stable, well paying job.” And my mom just says, “No it isn’t. And I love her art. Art just shouldn’t be her job, it should be her hobby” it makes me sick Edit: she also frequently calls me “talented” and “a born natural” which discounts the enormous amount of effort I put into improving my art

I believe what you're mom was talking about, is aphantasia. It's basically where your mind's eye is blind ... I should know, I have it. But I'm still able to draw, because I use a practiced, and use references for everything Which makes it really annoying, when my mom says something like "I don't know how [they] learned to draw so well. I can't even draw a stick figure" Also, for the apple thing. While I don't know about your mother, I can tell you a lot of details about an apple, because of my memories involving them. For example; - It's mostly red, but has some yellow near the middle - It still has the stem, and a little leaf attached However, if you want me to describe things like "where is one bite on it?" "is it rolling?" "is it directly under a light?" "what angle is it at?" I can't tell you. I could tell you where it is, but it would be a vague answer. Like "on my desk" or "in the fruit bowl"

this ramen is my girlfriend! honestly YES. i started reading blue period and in the first chapter a girl talked about this exactly and it just...Hit. she said something along the lines of "art still requires a lot of studying so to simply call it talent, it makes it sound like i haven't done anything..." and OH MY GOD. i had to pause and take a moment because that was SUCH a line

@DuchessCelestia

3 жыл бұрын

YES omg i gotta read that then, that’s awesome!!

@versodos

3 жыл бұрын

@@DuchessCelestia it's a great manga! mc is lovely and the manga gets technical at time which i personally love!! i read that it's getting an anime adaptation too

Honestly I agree. My own Mom says I'm talented. She's like "God gave you the talent of art". No Mom, God gave me the passion for art and the discipline/patience to practice my art. I'm not confrontational about it but it's just annoying. People ask me how I can draw how I do and I always say practice. Even my non artist friend says I'm talented and I tell him "nope, just practice" . Seriously anyone can be an artist just like anyone can cook. It just takes a little time and practice

Congratulations on 500 subscribers woohoo! I hope that your channels reaches an even larger audience soon 💞 This ramen is my girlfriend

@DuchessCelestia

3 жыл бұрын

thank you so much!! ;u;

this ramen is my girlfriend 😂😂 your art is amazing!!!! I'm looking forward to be that skilled in the future 🤸🤸 so happy I found you and your content 💘

@DuchessCelestia

3 жыл бұрын

thank you so much!! ;u; ❤️💙

This ramen is my girlfriend I do believe that people can have talent for something from early age. It’s useless though without working hard on it and actually trying to improve by researching and practicing. You won’t necessarily succeed in something you have a talent for but you’re bound to succeed for something you’ve worked hard for and never gave up on. That’s the case for art too for me. A bit off topic, but my index finger has been hurting for four days now and I’m going to the doctors’ tomorrow, wish me good luck!

@DuchessCelestia

3 жыл бұрын

yeah, that’s a very good point!! and omg i hope your finger is okay ;; good luck at the doctors’!

The whole art/talent dichotomy and the separation of arts from the traditionally 9to 5 or blue collard work is probably the whole problem with this. Those that painted murals in medieval churches were considered craftsman in the same way as the stonemasons that made the walls and pillars, the wood workers that made the pews and tables, and so on. Even in Shakespeare's time, the term playwright has the same connotation as say a shipwright as they were both craftsmen. Yet when art stopped being synonymous with skill (why the book The Art of War" is called that) and more hobby despite that it is a difficult job. The talent/ skill dichotomy I think there are. People tend to lean in one area and not another. Both can be skillful in one area, but it comes much easier to some than others. Anyone can be trained to work with animals, however some have a better understanding of them from the get go. From there learning and practice pushes this skill even further. Say like Temple Grandin: Because of how her brain works, she could get into the heads of cattle much easier and so developed tools and methods that have improved the cattle industry by working with the animals instead of against them. Art is the same way. Even then I have to wonder how one expresses that art. You use a stylizes and a brush I am assuming, but others have used hammer and chisel to stone, a sharp knife on a stick to carve Desins, and even a chainsaw on scrap wood.

ayeee! this ramen is my girlfriend might as well join in, can't let this opportunity pass!

I like it))

@DuchessCelestia

3 жыл бұрын

thank you!!

"This ramen is my girlfriend" Congratulationss ❤️

The way I see it, most of the things you’ve become adept at are skills. Even things like art, singing, writing, etc. you may have the voice of a professional singer, or be good with a pen, but I believe it’s because you were taught. Even if you only taught yourself, you still had some mentoring in this specific skill. You may have been born with a natural aptitude for martial arts, but you still have to be taught how to use it. Even if you somehow, against all the odds, master a skill without a lot of practice, you still need to know how to apply that skill, witch is a skill itself. You may have been born for greatness, but how will you know without someone teaching you the skills you may excel at in the future?

Being called talented is not really problematic, though. You can have talent but it still takes skill to make a piece of art look cohesive and demonstrate the message you intended to give with your art, in my opinion as a fellow artist.

I know most people mean it with good intentions but I don't like it when people say 'I wish I could draw like you' Because the answer is Yes you can draw like me, just if you put the time and effort into getting there you will get the outcomes you want. But also you shouldnt base your art style on purely just mine but rather experiment to find what works for you. I've also just had 'friends' who say it in a condensending way which sucks but i just ignore them most of the time.

I cant see anything in my mind either o.o I do wanna improve drawing:3

Lots of people get the defenition of talent wrong anyway. Talent is nothing more than the ability to pickup a subject faster than someone who isn't talented. It is indeed innate and something you're born with. But everyone needs to put in the work. People with talent just a little less to achieve the same results. I'm pretty sure this concept has been scientifically proven.

this ramen is my girlfriend thank you for this opportunity. i'm young but i'm really starting to get into art, i'm doing traditional art at the moment and would love to try digital art 🥰 i totally agree with you, "talent is just a foundation." i love your commentary videos and would love to see you talking about perhaps the "toxic" part of the art community. i don't really know if that even exists since i'm new to the community. if you don't feel comfortable talking about it, it's complete fine 😅❤

@DuchessCelestia

3 жыл бұрын

that’s awesome!! ;u; ❤️💙 thank you so much!! yes, i could definitely do a video on that - i’ll add it to my list!

This ramen is my girlfriend! I find it very uncomfortable and even a little bit discouraging it someone calls me talented even if their intentions may be really good. Thank you so much for this giveaway!

Yas, I’m excited for this vid, -Is that Paimon?-

@DuchessCelestia

3 жыл бұрын

ahahaha yes it is!!

@pumpkinspiceart6018

3 жыл бұрын

@@DuchessCelestia You made her look so prettyyy 💕💕💕 You brought up a lot of great points and explained them all really well. Great vid!!

@DuchessCelestia

3 жыл бұрын

ahhh thank you so much!!

This ramen is my girlfriend. Congrats on 500 subscribers!

@DuchessCelestia

3 жыл бұрын

thank you so much!! ❤️💙

Nice video haha, I might have to subscribe tbh. Also; This ramen is my girlfriend!

@DuchessCelestia

3 жыл бұрын

thank you so much!! ;u;

This ramen is my girlfriend. So cool of you to do this! Can’t wait for you to hit 600 subs soon.

@DuchessCelestia

3 жыл бұрын

ahhh thank you!! ;; 💙❤️

this ramen is my girlfriend? (hit me up on instagram? morbid_lace) i kinda hate the idea of "talent" in general. i try to replace it with "skill" in my vocab, because of how much it's always bothered me. it actually started bothering me in terms of singing and musical skill- i didn't like being compared to other vocalists who had more technical skill than me just because i could also sound good. it bothered me not because i'd put in the work and gotten better, but specifically because i HADN'T and i thought it was more important.

@DuchessCelestia

3 жыл бұрын

oh, yeah, that’s a really good point, and that’s a really interesting perspective on it that i hadn’t considered!

This ramen is my girlfriend!!! Congrats on 600 subs 🥳💛~

@DuchessCelestia

3 жыл бұрын

thank you so much!! ❤️💙

This ramen is my girlfriend! Thank you for doing this huge giveaway ❣️

This ramen is my girlfriend Just like you mentioned int his video I would like the things that I worked for to be appreciated for the amount of work I’ve put in and just simply saying that I’m talented in the hobbies that I enjoy doing and spend time to improve, it makes me feel really eekhy. Since I can’t really do anything except ignore it , so that’s what I do.

@DuchessCelestia

3 жыл бұрын

yeah, i definitely feel that!!

This ramen is my girlfriend! Even thought I know my chances of winning is small but I feel still excited 😆