Thank you for covering this as well. I absolutely loved the comparison you made with DBD as a heartbeat. I feel like I've been on a flat-line for so long, but those limited time game modes (like My Little Oni) gave me a heartbeat again. And yeah, I do lean more to the unbalanced DBD, simply because it feels like a more variety of games happen rather than games with the same perks over and over. That's not to say I don't enjoy the game balanced as well, it's just the games start to feel stale really quickly :(

@JakeobE

Ай бұрын

Those limited time game modes were awful. Something as simple as a perk randomizer mode for all players in a lobby would be incredible, without changing the core mechanics of the game so much so that it is unattractive after just one game.

@ReiyaPamilia

Ай бұрын

I'm so sorry. I didn't know my merchant was bringing people so much grief during the genkick meta. I was a wraith main before Merchant released. Dying light, Thana, Call of brine, Overcharge. I wasn't trying to be mean. I main tank in OW2 and Gen Defense was my favorite playstyle til it got nerfed. I guess I got what I deserved

@trulyka5534

Ай бұрын

Amazing video btw

@Phillip_The_Fry

Ай бұрын

Precisely why i stopped playing. When they started to nerf perks, changed the movement, and stuffed flashlights completely. One of my favourite memories was a 3 gen chase against an oni, with my friend cgasing behind with a flashlight. I went down in a jungle gym eventually, and he pulled off one of the best saves I've ever seen. Fast vaultin the window with sprintburst and nlinding the killer with precise timing. The game is ruined. Dbd is now "Devs Bad Decisions".

@CameoDisappearance

Ай бұрын

Seeing BHVR choose to invest in gimmicky game modes instead of fixing the massive list of the games problems was the main reason I quit tbh. They're not interested in any fixes for problems. Their idea of 'fixing' the awful onboarding for new players was to sell the perks to them better. Tells you everything you need to know about the game and company behind it.

"Ever since 3-genning Skull Merchant, I have _forced_ myself to play the game" is righteously accurate

@fud_boi

Ай бұрын

Yeah it sucks when you get a killer and it triggers you so much that you just don't want to play >

@markosusa5823

Ай бұрын

3 gen skull merchant was the best thing that happened to the game from Killer perespective

@RealNefastus

Ай бұрын

@@markosusa5823 No, no it wasn't. Even killers hated it.

@fourlights

26 күн бұрын

There's way more aids things in the game to play vs as survivor, the game is complete dog doo doo.

@TrackerRoo

19 күн бұрын

If it's Merchant I'll AFK from the start of the match every time. I feel like if players could see the killer in start lobby that killer would get dodged nearly 100% of the time. Next to no one wants to play against a killer that can essentially camp four locations at once

My answer as a killer main who's been playing since late 2017: Because just loading into a match makes me stressed. My chest tightens and I dread playing the game. Its a game. I shouldn't feel like that, but I do. The entire match that follows, no matter how well I do, is just stress. There's no fun anymore. The only time I still have fun in dnd is when I play customs with friends.

@arachnae3025

Ай бұрын

Finally! someone who fucking gets it i thought i was just like crazy sensitive. I started playing right as Pyramid Head released and mained killer for my first maybe 750 hours? After that i just couldnt handle playing killer. It made me actively less happy, playing made me feel stressed and i couldnt stop putting pressure on myself to win so i wouldn't get BM'ed by sore winners. I know its pretty dumb but yeah, now @ 4,000 hours and much happier being a survivor main.

@Alyraah

Ай бұрын

I’m a killer main too and it’s the same way for me. I’m glad I ain’t the only one who experiences this.

@nickphaux

Ай бұрын

I started playing seriously like 2 years ago and have alot of fun. I honestly used to feel this when i was alot newer..

@shady3671

Ай бұрын

Damn not just me then. Idk why killer makes me so stressed. Playing survivor I'm always chilling but killer it's just different and I wish it wasn't

@MilleZen_

Ай бұрын

I felt like that for so long and finally quit the game. What used to be fun, became a hostile battle about winning at all cost. And not even the winner(s) have fun.

The longer you spend with something the more familiar you become with the good. What keeps you there you take for granted and all the negative becomes more and more eye catching. Breaks are without a doubt very healthy. I took close to a full year break where I played only a handful of hours and played other games. When I came back I was reminded of what I loved so much that even the negative could not overshadow it. But with time that feeling slowly creeps back.

@moonyfruit

Ай бұрын

I agree! This is me with every game, not just DBD. Something fresh is good.

Game just too stressful. Even if you’re Good or bad tbh. Plus toxicity

@ImWhyMortalsCry

Ай бұрын

Yeah. I'm playing games to relax and you can't relax in DbD

@gdjolly4115

Ай бұрын

exactly, did a game after a few months of not playing, got badham vs a stacked swf, didnt dc cuz why would I, but instantly closed the game

@ImWhyMortalsCry

Ай бұрын

@@gdjolly4115 And after that you just don't want to continue playing. Had the same experience and after the match I didn't want to go for another match. I closed the game and felt like that was enough DbD for the week

@Porkwhitemeat

Ай бұрын

​@@ImWhyMortalsCry play survivor if you wanna relax. It's way more chill than killer.

@ImWhyMortalsCry

Ай бұрын

@@Porkwhitemeat Not for me Solo que doesn't work for me, friends don't play and I may be good at doing gens and hiding but when the killer starts chasing me that's it Can't do chases at all

After years of waiting for a Twins rework only to get the steaming pile of a PTB I don't think BHVR listens to anyone but mass Twitter movements. Like how do you ignore all of the free rework ideas that Twins mains have been advocating for over the past several years?

@DarkyLonewolf

Ай бұрын

>mass Twitter movements Now you better choose your words carefully when you explain what you mean by that, because I know that a KZread comment going "Twitter bad" has a 50/50 chance of being one of THOSE kinds of gamers.

@123darkpassenger

Ай бұрын

@@DarkyLonewolf Nah twitter is filled with idiots, don’t pretend like that’s not the case.

@urgae9125

Ай бұрын

@@DarkyLonewolfI’m hoping they’re referring to adding bloat and to the game via skins/shitty reworks, and not one of the “grr there’s a gay person in my game”

@zazombiezmasher0116

Ай бұрын

@@DarkyLonewolfhe means that BHVR is way to quick to bend the knee to the DbD twitter sphere compared to any other side of the community, he’s not saying that DbD listen to much to the LGBTQ community, idk why your insinuating that shit, and if that’s not what your insisting then what are you even trying to say? They have gotten hundreds upon hundreds of free, easy, and solid solutions to rework the twins with, but they didn’t listen, they don’t even listen to their fucking fog whisperers, there’s a total reason why even Otz is getting fed up with DBD and BHVR, they never listen, all they do is stick their heads in the sand and make such baffling decisions it’s so tough to root for them. That’s what Choy is saying, he’s not a “GamerTM” who hates gay people, he’s just annoyed with the knee jerk decisions BHVR make, which is reasonable

@dtaPacman

Ай бұрын

Otz interviewed a twins main & Devs actually commented on her rework suggestion video then they screwed everything up

So, im more of a lurker nowerdays when it comes to DBD. I've a bit over a thousand hours and stopped playing around dredges release. The reason was the extreme rise of sweattyness after SBMMR in every round. You couldn't play this game casually anymore. It was all about being "high MMR" and labeling as such. And even if not, I've noticed a strong rise in only playing the best perks, no meme build or anything anymore, and I personally think this is due to a downward spiral. With higher mmr you NEEDED to play certain perks to really do something or you were just getting stomped, so the other side had to adjust to that, so now you have to adjust to the adjustment and so on. You can't play a meme build bubba in high MMR because you would be getting stomped every round, as survivors would be running only top notch perks, as they are used to them and used to playing against those. It just wasn't fun anymore, I miss the times with random lobbies. Also the pool of players that were (old MMR) iri was so much bigger than the pool of high SBMMR players, so the chance of getting a chill build on the other side was so much higher too. Now you face the same pool of counters over and over again, as the player pool is just so small. That was the fun I had before. I think you could clearly see the stuck competitiveness in players minds in the my little Oni mode. Even there some people where sweating for the 4k/Gen Rush and that was the second I realised how stuck the people already are on this comp mindset It's really sad as this game was really my true love

@galaxshiigames

Ай бұрын

I wish I could run meme builds but I don't anymore because these killers sweat so much and make this game feel comp. Like I just wanna be a casual gamer and have fun, is that too much to ask for?

@azombieee

23 күн бұрын

100% agree with your points. It almost needs a casual mode and a ranked... It's not fun with both being one mode

@xCallxMExJJx

14 күн бұрын

Your not wrong. I've played daily for years. THOUSANDS of hours invested. It is trash now. I quit a week ago and I'm much happier. They hate the killers and have been nerfing them every update. I was chasing a guy when 3 gens popped as he was only 1/4 of the way of walking me through every pallet when I said. "Screw this" the game just isn't fun anymore. They don't understand that nerfing sloppy butcher/ bleed was the downfall. 75%of survivors bring either a way to heal themselves or teammates. So if you don't tunnel and hook them the survivors heal, if you chase the first guy until you catch him 3 generators will be done before you can tote him to a hook, meaning your only option is to camp the only person you've seen or go try to catch and hook the other 3 survivors 3 times a piece with only 2 gens left🤡. I did some thinking after multiple matches like this as a high MMR killer and decided that those guys can chase each other and keep their own game alive. Screw that, it's not even fun anymore

Honestly, my biggest peeve with the game right now, as you and Slush mentioned, is SBMM. Out of almost 100 games, it's mostly been utterly destroying teams (most of which seem like new players) or getting destroyed by people WAY outside of my skill level as a killer. I can literally count the number of close games on one hand. In my experience (and opinion), going between these two extremes is rather agitating because there's no middle ground for my matches and no fun. It's either be bored and feel sorry for romping on new people and apologizing to them for such a terrible game on their end, or get romped on and made fun of or mocked. Be bored or stressed, a perpetuating cycle. Again, that's my experience. Thank you guys for speaking up about this topic and I hope the game can get in a better state so it doesn't slip into nothingness.

@reichtanglevictor1694

Ай бұрын

honestly the moment SBMM was added was unironically the exact moment my matches turned to stompfests. Now more than ever, it's become even worse with most stomp fests favouring the tunneling killer or the sweaty survivor group, it's just not fun

@mariasidor6672

Ай бұрын

i played casually on both sides and i can relate to getting op teams as a killer that i have no chance against or what feels like player who just installed the game. In teory SBMM should make games challanging, because you go against people on your lvl and it's the comeplete opposite

@shabranigdo

Ай бұрын

So you are saying that SBMM is NOT working and that is your problem. The opposite of what this video is about.

@reichtanglevictor1694

Ай бұрын

@@shabranigdo we must have watched different videos then, considering he said in the video that matches are either stomps or 4 man escapes

@darkodom

Ай бұрын

The duality of higher mmr bully squad and survivors that think they can turn a corner and lose you. There is no in-between anymore.

I F*cking HATE the invisible walls. Even on killers that dont have ranged attacks you can still run into them and they feel *TERRIBLE* every single time. :( "So baby killers dont go against unfair matches with high skill surivors". It doesnt work. Ive been facing people with thousands of hours ever since ive had a few hundred. People with literally 10x or higher time in the game while i was (am) still learning. I do use anon mode because i dont want hate mail for how i play. Generally im a fairly nice killer, rarely tunnel, only "proxy" and "camp" if i think there is a survivor nearby or if all gens are done, but i know idiots will always complain. However, i absolutely can see people using anon mode to play as despicably as possible because there is 0 repercussions. Almost forgot to mention, i will absolutely return ingame toxicity. Wanna tbag at every pallet? Congrats! Your prize is getting tunneled.

@mosshivenetwork117

Ай бұрын

Yea they are a terrible addition.

@slimjones23

Ай бұрын

I think you should play however you feel. You paid for the game and put time into it. If it’s apart of the game go for it lol. Only thing I despise are the cheaters but if it’s part of the game people should only get mad at the devs not how the killers play the game. People act like killers should just let them win lol. Just my worthless two cents you didn’t ask for 😅

@grimreaper8575

Ай бұрын

@@slimjones23 nah your right. That being said, not everyone sees it that way. As long as it doesn't break terms of service, it should be fair play.

@dubeusgames

Ай бұрын

I will say this, from personal experience...before I even had 1,000 hours in DbD, I was a Myers on Grim Pantry, against another Streamer (and her 4-man team) with a combined total of 7k hours... And they were absolutely garbage of running, always just hiding and running into walls. Even 2-hooking them all (while the main streamer hid and then ragequit from her second hook) (this was also before bots were added) made them mad at me. Prestige Number and Hours Played =/= Skill Level It should, but some people (myself included) plateau and never are able to reach a higher plain of making better mind games, or carrying out exceptional loops. Hell, even the greatest players in this game only really show off most of their "best" games, or the "games they had fun in." I applaud you for "only" doing what is needed if you need to apply direct and immediate pressure, towards the end. I think the same - I hate camping/tunneling (unless I absolutely need to apply pressure). 7 out of 10 games, I seem to get babies or subpar loopers...my own general rule of thumb I follow is, "If I dominate before 1 or 0 gens left, I go for 2 hooks on everyone, then dick around and have fun...I don't want other players to quit the game because I 'went sweaty-try-hard on them.'" Otherwise, 2 Out/2 In is my usual preference.

@liamhutfles4113

Ай бұрын

God forbid someone tbag to get your attention 😂. You're exactly the kind of fragile-ego'd player that made me quit playing. Always for some offense I had no idea I was committing. Two wrongs don't make a right, and without in-game chat, there's no way to be certain someone was actually trying to pass you off.

Balance is so poor you see the same thing every game due to MMR being implemented and it also makes the game extremely stressful depending on who you choose to play. You CANNOT balance a game around casuals while also having an MMR system, it fundamentally does not work and results in stale, repetitive and unrewarding gameplay.

@DarkyLonewolf

Ай бұрын

I mean... Without MMR, there would be a LOT more matches being absolute stompfests for one side or the other.

@JCglitchmaster

Ай бұрын

@@DarkyLonewolf You're missing the point. MMR isn't the problem, the balance combined with the MMR is. Nobody would be complaining about MMR if alot of things were viable at the latter end of the MMR scale. But they aren't which is why you see the same builds, same killers and same survivor perks over and over and over. The difference between a Nurse and Ghostface shouldn't be so insanely high.

@DarkyLonewolf

Ай бұрын

@@JCglitchmaster To be fair, Identity V, which can be best described as DBD's younger sibling, has a casual/ranked split system, and it's not really any better there (the power creep there is even worse than in DBD). There is also a conversation to be had how, when it comes to any competitive video game balance in general, achieving true balance where everything is viable anywhere is... Something of an impossible pipe dream, really. It's not just a DBD problem.

@alvinwhitehead1069

Ай бұрын

So the game has to play by your rules ?

@Spacebums

Ай бұрын

I see this take a lot, and let me just say that the casual player isn't who most game studios want. They want the hardcore whales who're going to spend hundreds to thousands of dollars on their game. People who will sink thousands upon thousands of hours into their game. Yeah, you want casual players too, but if you ONLY cater to the casual player and alienate the people who are actually good at your game, your game will die. Look at what happened with Overwatch. They started catering exclusively to the casuals who weren't invested in their game and became the laughing stock of the videogame world. The exact same thing will happen to DbD if they keep pushing updates that the higher skill players don't like.

we need a game mode with either random perks, or no perks (add-ons or items) at all, while having a separated matchmaking for it, so we can play smth different every now and then

The twitch shirts comment is so interesting. I used to stream to 0 viewers off of my Xbox with no mic and one day I had twitch shirts on my account. I genuinely thought that it was just something included with the game but people kept tuning into my stream just to ask how I got my twitch shirt. And then, just as quick as a got them, they were suddenly removed. This was probably toward the end of 2020. I have clips of me wearing it I think

@biddymcgee5090

Ай бұрын

Yeah, a lot of accounts randomly got them. It’s weird

@jakubkordek594

Ай бұрын

DAMN I REMEMBER THAT you unlocked my memories

I identify so hard with the heartbeat-analogy. I used to play DbD alone sometimes. Now I only play with some friends. And when I do, I survive 1/10 matches, if even. Is it because I'm not too good? Possibly. But it definitely is also because the killers we get are above my skill-level or are simply camping and tunneling from the get-go.

@fennic6892

Ай бұрын

Nah that was a huge logical fallacy.

@ANewWorldCrew

Ай бұрын

It's also because they nerfed survivor into oblivion, just because they couldn't balance swf squads. In the past I used to be very good on surv because I learned all the cool techs you could do, but now I'm like everyone else.... average. And no matter how hard I try, there is just nothing for me as a survivor to get better in. Maybe I need to get better in repairing gens 😂

21:50 god forbid a streamer saying a survivor was lucky

@damadhattahttv5198

10 күн бұрын

Go away with you echochamber lol

I’m a demo main and those invisible walls off of buildings broke me

@Dirpitz

Ай бұрын

they all effect plague's vomit too, BHVR don't care

This is why I quit. They’ve been lowering the skill ceiling for a while. They want every game to remain the same, it used to be so fun and there was so much killer and survivor interaction the way they’ve changed the game it’s like the only way to play is to gen rush and the only counter is 3 gen. There’s not many fun games that aren’t just that they’ve made it flatline like you’ve said, just boring every game feels exactly the same

honestly the toxicity and the stress reminds me of League of Legends and why I quit that game basically, so much toxicity, so much stress and it just makes the game so unfun.

@LutgardisLul

Ай бұрын

eh, i think the issue is more along the lines of hackers ruining the game at higher level of play, like all other competitive games out there nowadays

@Axumm96

Ай бұрын

LoL is good when you auto-mute yourself

@Irondragon1945

Ай бұрын

i think DbD is more stressful than league tbh

@rirabienkirira8780

Ай бұрын

League of legends reports in game lead somewhere at least.

@Nyxlight3

Ай бұрын

​@Irondragon194 If you compare let's say killer role with jg on lol is not even close, specially if u playing solo it slowly drain ur mental health, also I feel even if devs/community is still rlly bad on dbd , at least exists, I can't say same of lol

Because the game is literally a detriment to your mental wellbeing. -The gameplay is as repetitive as can be -Most people only play for a while because it has some addicting qualities -The community is absolutely toxic -There's just nothing much to it than a new killer and surv every few months. -Theres only so much content you can make on dbd before it gets stale and repetitive. Everything's been done one way or another and the only 'interesting' new things are new chapters. And they stay interesting for a week MAX post launch before they get stale again. I know a few content creators who quit DBD because they don't need that kinda vibe in their life and honestly good for them.

@assembled1855

Ай бұрын

Will 2v8 or 5v5 game mode save this game that people been wanting for?

@1m073zh

Ай бұрын

​@@assembled1855 Hahahahahaha... No

@assembled1855

Ай бұрын

@@1m073zh Why not? They want intensity and absurdity stuff in this game for a long time.

@1m073zh

Ай бұрын

@@assembled1855 Such things are fun, but in the long run entirely irrelevant if the core of the game has issues - which DBD has plenty of. So no game modes at all can 'save' the game, they'll be fun for a while but then people will get over them and return to the default stale state of the game - just like how everyone is super excited for new chapters and killers, only for the hype to go down a week or two after release lol

@narcoticlilac6588

Ай бұрын

The detriment to your well being Is Doing something you don't like consistently ;which is a self indulged problem unless it's something you're forced to do. All games have levels of repetition All games have hyper abrasive people. People never considered the fact; You've been doing the Same thing for Nearly a Decade. Eventually you will experience burnouts if you do not take a break . You will grow Cynical Towards problems that compared previously were minor in scale , but now weigh you down. In terms of content Creation when you need to be creative but within the limits of a Niche Niche Then you're kinda set-up for burnouts. People need to expand their horizons, and set the thing down for a WHILE to see if it's something they wanna pursue.

i think a free chapter would be so beneficial to the game atm, a new killer and survivor a map 6 perks all for free it gives everyone something to look forward to

The bugs and memes of dbd was why I played the game. The skill ceiling on flashlight saves was just so much fun to master and practice, and it made me play on a constant just to keep that skill and improve. In my old games, I would see survivors getting stuck on rocks, killers swinging from building to building to get on top of a pallet that you could have just taken the stun and broken, and goofy meme builds to abuse long stun spamming and burning. All of that is gone, survivors no longer get stuck or look goofy, killers can now just use a really strong power to blink through a pallet or chainsaw through it but keep going, all the goofy meme builds are now either too weak to be able to run or overshadowed by the pain of gen regression vs second chance meta and even the fun flashlight saves are so easy I just did one after having quit for a year in my first game which would have taken me three to practice and learn. There's so much pressure to "win" in dead by daylight now that it feels like we've all forgotten it's a game for fun, and running four boons, or sabo basement, or map and key was why we played it to begin with. I LOVED the keys, because it was so rewarding to survive with it, find the hatch as a group and panic leave before the exit gate was even ready. Yes that was unbalanced, but the game's win condition wasn't kills back then, it was the bp we now do not care about at all. As someone who played VHS for it's competitive side, I can enjoy a competitive scene, but dbd was never that. If they want to change it into something of the sort they still gotta make the game fun, and they seem to be too focused on the small fix for their players. It's hard to say anything a content creator is making will be seen though, I've seen it all over from dbd creators that their ideas are ignored for the corporate ladder. I miss the game, but I do wonder what makes me want to play it over say valorant, or worse, a chinese knockoff. I hope they'll hear your pleas dbd players.

I can say honestly, i've been playing videos pretty much all my life. I played CS:GO, COD, Valorant, league, name it. Never in my time of gaming with people who shit talk, have I been told to game end myself, than DBD. Over little things, winning the game, BMing back or BMing in the first place, Streaming to basically no one but I still get told to hang myself, its insane to me how much people take this game that seriously.

@gibbybtw280

Ай бұрын

it happens all the time in apex and rocket league lol

@Seoul_Soldier

Ай бұрын

People taking video games too seriously is a problem as old as time. Some people's only "win" in life is a video game, so losing at that for them is personal. Meanwhile normal, well-adjusted people just move on. DBD just happens to have a lot of people in the former camp.

@reivoidwalker

Ай бұрын

COD and League were way more toxic than DBD. Death threats, screaming, yelling, racism, misogyny, homophobia, etc. You must’ve gotten the good lobbies 🤣

@shugo5130

Ай бұрын

Be my hot furry bf NOW

@Darksage5555

Ай бұрын

​@reivoidwalker as someone who played league, old school cod, halo 1 and 2.... I strongly disagree. Cod had more people talking trash, but was less toxic. They would tell you to game end yourself, but then would laugh the next game if they got you again. (League not as much) in dbd I've had people that played against me months ago still mad that I logged into the game, haven't seent them in months, and they immediately tell me to game end myself again. Sure old school games had more shit talking, but dbd is far more toxic. Not the bm, not using strategy, but the actual amount of people that want you hurt irl.

I legitimately had more fun on DBD before SBMM - I am a solo player usually and i can vividly recall actual variety in my matches. Now? Now I only play if theres events or game modes added. Some matches, I'd be killed off quickly yeah and in others it felt rewarding to survive [if that's the right word?] But now? Now as a 3000 hour survivor, im aware that if i load up into solo? I'm more than likely going to get fucking wiped. I'm not a competitive person, I'm a casual player; I use perks I like, but I shouldn't feel like I HAVE to bring the sweatiest build known to man just to TRY and escape. But before SBMM? I felt I could run silly perks I liked and still have fun. Same, endless grind.

@chriscrane1482

Ай бұрын

I dont have as many hours but I feel the same way. Every 6 months or so I boot up, pick a killer with whatever themed loadout I used on it before, and play a game. Every time I instantly remember why I stopped playing. Its really unfortunate because before SBMM my friends and I would play and have a great time.

@AD88884

Ай бұрын

I have more hours and feel the same. Uninstalled last week after asking myself if being a masochist was worth it for this game.

@kevenmonge1390

Ай бұрын

Same I used to enjoy the game before SBMM But now…I don’t even bother touching it

Why so many content creators quit DbD? Sheesh. "I hate that the devs took out all the exploits that I've been using, so there for it's not a game for me anymore and I'm quitting." Problem with the game right now is that SOME players (really loud minority, tbh) want it to be a "competitive game", when this game was designed to be a casual party game. It's every time the "comp sweaters" start to emerge to a game, that is the downhill. Same happened with Overwatch. It was fun and exciting game until OWL began and everyone thought they were the hottest best player in the game. This game is meant to be played as casual. 99% of the players are casuals. The only people that have time to learn all the techs and nyances of the game, are streamers and people who do not go to work. And streamers themselves are burning themselves up because they play DbD as their job. It's not the games fault. It's players and the streamers fault. This is not a competitive game. 17:18 "Streamers are the backbone of this game" Entitled much? No... It's not the streamers. It's the players

@whitneyANDbunny

Ай бұрын

Nah, overwatch hasn't been spinning the toilet bowl because of its games competitors

@deniedgosling3282

Ай бұрын

Bro it takes 2 seconds to learn to window tech get good

In regards to the twitch shirt thing, I sort of feel this way in regards to KZread content/other platform content too. It feels like Twitch is the main platform for DbD/devs promoting stuff, which is fine of course, but I do wish they'd balance that out a bit. Additionally, for me, someone who focuses a lot on the lore of the game, it also feels like lore stuff is barely given the time of day or care and it's just a bit frustrating tbh when I do my best to engage people with it or discuss it in general. I would love if there could be some fog whisperers say who could focus on the lore/come on streams and talk lore with devs. Someone like Pixel Bush imo is perfect for that and would be a good representative/spokesperson. Great video!

@ndnironboy

Ай бұрын

Hey Everyone... andddddd Goodbye.

Locker saves still exist! You can either bait a grab or do the old locker save with a flashbang

@HockeyM.M.

Ай бұрын

the sheer amount of things in DBD that don't have any counterplay or skill expression is seriously baffling

@jared8291

Ай бұрын

There are other ways to save people from lockers still

@gibbybtw280

Ай бұрын

@@HockeyM.M. new locker saves have counterplay lol

@HockeyM.M.

Ай бұрын

@@gibbybtw280 you cant send reaction images on youtube because people like you would get their inboxes filled 24/7

@nicane-9966

Ай бұрын

but that has counterplay, well the first thing you said does, the second one is related to a perk only so it doesnt really...

The community is not simply the salt farm or sensitivity. The community is heinously tribalistic. Which in turn affects how the devs feel about making adjusts. The amount of people who cannot see the forest for the trees and moan about changes without thinking about what the reason for changes are, that tire me out. It's a huge reason why I stopped playing, and to be honest, the points touched upon compound the issue, so it tracks. I wanted to play DBD more when i got to play Artist, cause I genuinely enjoy the cross-map sniping playstyle with her. It is one of my favourite things to chase a Survivor off a Gen and long shot a Survivor on a gen on the other side of the map, and keep track of that while dealing with a Survivor near me. Succeeding in the long shots with her is so satisfying to do. And the feeling of the game just becoming all samey with no variation makes me wonder if I bother anymore.

@mpsins

Ай бұрын

My problem was all the crying and people not being able to trash talk. So what if little Timmy cried because he got called a bitch, fuk little Timmy.

@BrightWulph

Ай бұрын

To me it seems like people complaining about the "loss of skill expression" are just upset they can't abuse exploits anymore, such as the locker blinds. There was no reason as to why this should have been left along as long as it was. Especially with Head-on+Flashbang combo. Again with the Blight "techs" people complained that he "slid off too many objects" are now upset that he can't do that anymore. BHVR is fixing a "bug" but apparently the people use abused the exploit aren't happy about it. Same with Chucky flicks, it's an exploit. BHVR is actually fixing the game, and people are complaining. 😅

@grenadier4702

Ай бұрын

​@@BrightWulph the statement "exploits are bad" is false. Some of them are good, for example nurse blinding which is a really skillful thing

@atrozzorta9602

Ай бұрын

Responding to your first paragraph, a big part of that is because of people like Slushie, not saying that in a bad way. But there are a LOT of people out there with 1k+ hours that have barely or never even touched killer. I've really only ever heard of this happening for the survivor side, but there might be some killers like that as well. And when you don't play both sides why would you care about proper balance? So we see a lot of tribalism and awful takes about balance because that isn't what they actually want or they have no clue.

@atrozzorta9602

Ай бұрын

@@BrightWulph That's just not how game development goes. Bugs happen all the time and some of them because staples to gaming culture itself. Look at Street Fighter. Combos were a bug and then everyone fell in love with them. When bugs happen the community and the developers decide what is good and what is bad. You can't blanket statement say "all bugs bad!" because that isn't how game development works.

they should add a ranked mode where killer chooses their perks in the match lobby after they found their lobby and survivors can band 2 perks and the killer can ban 4 survivor perks and survivors cant use duplicate perks to have them challenge themselves more. (survivor main) but the MMR in this ranked mode needs to be like all iri rank go in a team against iri killer gold rank against gold and so on. reply for thoughts guys please.

The problem with bhvr is that they don't listen to their consumers, their community, because they think they always know what's best for the game, which is clearly not the case. That's why the game has become less fun every day.

I quit because of the community.

@JakeobE

Ай бұрын

lmfao, you could have simply not read endgame chat and went next, or turned off messages if you are on console.

@Iwillroastyourlifeson

Ай бұрын

@@JakeobEI guess watching all the toxic videos traumatized them lol

@Darcys_Hub

Ай бұрын

Oh the irony in these comments.

@dommassa2667

Ай бұрын

bozo snowflake

@JakeobE

Ай бұрын

@@Darcys_Hub If an angry homeless person were to yell at you, would you entertain it?

BREAKS FROM THINGS YOU LOVE AND ENJOY IS FINE AND HEALTHY. Caps are intended, more and more people need to hear this.

@lawlestest

Ай бұрын

if you have to go on another break after just coming back from one, that says alot about the game ... shame it's t he only one in its genre.

@memelord8492

Ай бұрын

Take a break until the new season pass comes out and you're forced to pay to progress if you don't want to miss out on skins.

@Dantelvr

Ай бұрын

@@memelord8492thats kinda how a battle pass/season pass works gng, u pay to get elite rewards, that’s how battle passes has worked in gaming since they were introduced, u buy the pass and grind it out so u can get elite rewards

@SouSporting

Ай бұрын

@@memelord8492 "miss out on skins"- i see this as a problem. When the priority is skins over gameplay there's something wrong with the players. Then no wonder people say the game is unbalanced. Yeah of course it will be, the vast majority is focused on skins and cosmetics rather than having a fun game.

@memelord8492

Ай бұрын

@@SouSporting How is me saying what I said implying anything about gameplay. I never mentioned gameplay. I hate how expensive everything is. It's predatory. I love this game I've been playing since 2018. I care about gameplay to. I hate the season pass and how it forces you to pay or play if you want the rare rift skins. Dbd is filled with FOMO. Gameplay is flawed to but it's so much better today than it was in the past.

I don't completely agree on some of the skill expressions points tbh. Regardless of skill required to do a bug, if it results in something that drastically effects how a strong a killer is (Especially if said bug is platform exclusive), it shouldn't be in the game. Whether they remove it with or without compensation, I do not think they should be in the game period. As a primarily solo Q survivor nowadays, it was just plainly not fun to play a loop well/optimally against a Killer, only for them to hug tech or 180 flick to completely shutdown counterplay in that situation. But I am in agreement with the idea of Lightburn interactions. They were fun and a unique way to counter some Killers. I would like them back (though probably nerf Wraith's Lightburn a bit. It was pretty annoying).

people always correctly bring up MMR being an issue, but always get wrong *why*. MMR isn't strict enough, you're stomping/getting stomped every other game *because* it's practically non-existent between a ridiculously low MMR cap and the system prioritizing speed over more fair matches

@Dirpitz

Ай бұрын

exactly this I have had plague games where I have had to sweat my ass off just to double hook yet the game before where I swear I jsut want to pick up the survivors and sit them on my lap while I do the gen as they're clearly new and been fucked over by the mmr trying to fill a killer slot

Honestly as a survivor if I start to lose 3 times in a row I start to feel so miserable I just hop on another game. It’s so bad

@katniss5052

Ай бұрын

Only 3 times? xD

@daniiwharton6066

Ай бұрын

@@katniss5052 ik tf I played 15 games yesterday and escaped once :') and that's just normal...for me. I'm not great but a lot of the time we lose cause the teammates suck, killer tunnels/camps, or has 4 slowdown. Or both... xD

@atlasgraham154

Ай бұрын

3 Matches, huh? As Killer, all it takes is one truly shitty match for me to throw in the towel for a few days, weeks, or months. There is a VERY small window for me where this game is fun; when I'm in the mood for it, I love it, but all it takes is one bad match for all my excitement to leave. I only played one day of My Little Oni because, even though I was giant, the mode was limited time, and honestly very fun for what it was, I got put in a match filled with god-loopers who got the 4 man out. Made me feel so garbage at the game I stopped playing until tonight. Sometimes, it's just "fuck this game", and there only thing that'll pull me out of that mindset is time..

@nibblet321

Ай бұрын

I dont mind losing at all if it was a decent time. Most of my frustration comes from ppl taking themselves out on first hook or when ppl play like they're top pro and before you know it there's already 2 hooked.

@user-rp4ln5el4l

Ай бұрын

@@atlasgraham154 Literal manchild

I lost all respect for BHVR as humans when they dropped HybridPanda from the Fog Whisperer program when he took a break after his father passed away. How cold hearted can you be?

@AD88884

Ай бұрын

I didn’t know about that. Wow. That’s pretty low.

@BringCraigTheHorizon

Ай бұрын

@@AD88884 Panda is my all time favorite streamer. When he mentioned it so nonchalantly as to avoid hurting BHVRs feelings it made me feel so aggravated. He just mentioned in passing after he came back from his break but you can tell he felt a way about it. I expected better from BHVR

@fg-l3565

Ай бұрын

I can almost guarantee there's more context to this lol

@pobster88j94

Ай бұрын

Hybrid is a tool tbh.

@BringCraigTheHorizon

Ай бұрын

@@fg-l3565 the entire context of the situation is this: Panda’s father died. Panda stopped streaming for a few months because of it. When he came back to streaming he found out he was removed from the Fog Whisperers program by Behaviour without any notice at all. No explanation, no condolences for the loss of his father, just yeeted him from the program. That’s the entire story.

techs as a reason for new players to get stomped doesn't really make sense when there are other variables that would have the same effect such as add ons that change the game (myers) or just overall the number of killers we have, by the time you faced every killer atleast twice you already learned a lot and if you get queued against someone who knows how to use certain techs even though you are new to the game then there's something wrong with the matchmaking and not with killer techs

the salt farming is absurd for dbd too, like not to take shots at spooknjukes but man is disgusting in his salt farm at times, he even tried to get the community to cancel this one father for (child abuse) is what the community is running with (even tho it wasnt), and u had people in his comments on that video calling for Child prot services to get involved, which is absurd ill also say this with teh state of the game, with how bhvr is managing things i dont see the game living for too much longer, maybe 2 years 3 years tops, but peopel are just getting fedup, u try to adress any issues that survivors deal with on reddit, killer mains massivly downvote u, atleast with the current state of survivor people i know myself included dont want to play anymore

I don't think "so many" content creators _are_ quitting DBD. People come and go with every game and if the sample is taken over the period of months or years, well yeah, some of those are gonna be content creators. A few will even have a large audience. But it's not really statistically significant. That being said, I agree that skill expression being removed from DBD is disappointing. Meta perks and the map you go to have always been more important than how good either side is at the game, that is why they're so heavily restricted in comp. Once you get good at the game and go against other people who are also good, matches can feel like one big, long cutscene. Time spent holding W in chase, pallets you absolutely have to break, check spots you can't mind-game, endurance you just have to hit through, hooks that you'd have to be crazy not to camp out... And then a nearly non-existent end game because everyone has Adrenaline. You can pretty much predict the entire match from start to finish. People haven't just optimized the fun out of the game- they've optimized the gameplay out of the game. No meaningful or interesting choices or risks are being made, just the most braindead gameplay loop possible.

@ripadblock

Ай бұрын

???

@rowanandrew74

Ай бұрын

Killers bring pop pain res dms grim embrace survivors bring adrenaline lithe windows etc just makes the game so boring, if killers don't bring that build they get destroyed, if survivors don't bring that build they get destroyed

@ARottenMuffin

Ай бұрын

Not in my solo queue let me tell you, they unoptimized any chance to win out of my games lmao. But as a killer 100% agree, when you're not even allowed to see if other people are in a group that could be a 4man premade, even if you're a solo queue you should see, it's always detrimental to any video game to take things like that away from players.

@DarkyLonewolf

Ай бұрын

Honestly, I'm unironically glad I'm hanging around like, mid to low MMR on survivor and killer alike, because I actually get to try out builds other than THE META(tm).

@ssgbobbarnes

Ай бұрын

I don’t think “skill expression” is being removed from the game. Glitches come and go with every game and yeah some of those glitches are gonna be fun. A few will even miss those glitches. But it’s not really statistically significant.

It comes down to two things 1) Devs being slow and not listening 2) The introduction of mmr (the devs not listening)

@J0SEF

Ай бұрын

Just get better

@abathurx9500

Ай бұрын

@@J0SEF Very creative answer. How long did that take you, 3 seconds? BHVR has repeatedly shown that lack of ambition, care, and creativity in 8/10 cases. Thats what it really boils down to, BHVR doesnt give a shit about its game, or its fans. Pure and simple.

@silverrose1933

Ай бұрын

​@@J0SEFshut up kid

@DarkyLonewolf

Ай бұрын

>Devs not listening >A lot of perks being nerfed to oblivion and anti-everything systems (anti-camping, basekit BT for anti-tunneling, limited amount of gen kicks to prevent 3-gens, etc.) being added SPECIFICALLY because the devs listened too much Right...

@boink5550

Ай бұрын

The devs not playing the game thus sucking at it is a problem too, ever watched them play on stream? This game sadly is balanced by the biggest whiners and whatever the devs are smoking at any given time. Also the My Little Oni fun? Almost as bad as going against legions on the hide and seek event. Also dbd sadly is kept alive by new players, most 2k+ hours players are long gone or will come back for a few days and quit again since deep down nothing changed for the better.

I’m a new casual player and a funny thing that happened was me and my friend (who also started playing) were going against a wraith. My friend was training with the flashlight and asked if it was possible to stun the killer while invisible, I said dunno and told him to try it, I had no idea that this WAS a feature that got removed, this really sucks. I’ll still play the game, but hope some of this changes are removed.

Well.. we know why Dowsey quit. RIP those terrible decisions.

I think the reason I always returned to and played DBD back before skill based matchmaking was a thing, was because of the whacky matches you could have. For example skybillies, watching baby killers/survivors learn the game, spacebillies, skydemos and so forth. But now every match feels the same with killers running the same 3 perks + some other op perk and survivors having a very small difference in their perks as well. I think that this is due to dead by daylight just becoming a cash grab where they put more effort into cosmetics then the actual gameplay experience.

@Insanity-vv9nn

Ай бұрын

Underrated comment

@yuri_8368

Ай бұрын

yep

@user-iw2bn3gz1n

Ай бұрын

Absolutely spot on comment. I just want mmr gone. It truly sucks any form of fun out of the game. This is not a comp game and it certainly isn't balanced either. Why is mmr in the game?!!!

@Seoul_Soldier

Ай бұрын

If DBD removed MMR I would come back. As it stands now, why should I play this stress simulator when there are better games to play that don't raise my blood pressure?

@theotherauthor740

Ай бұрын

casual matches are just too damn competitive now with the implementation of MMR. they should have added separate casual & competitive queues a long time ago.

Taking a break from dead by daylight can really work wonders. Last time I played DBD was in 2022 and I have now started to play again since the New Chapter and the Blood Moon Event. And me and my friend have so much fun at the moment, I think just taking a long break after playing the game for literal years is a good thing to do for a lot of people.

@Doncroft1

Ай бұрын

Welcome back!

@candyballlecture627

Ай бұрын

unfortunately it didnt work in my case. quited after dredge release, playing recently barely gave me satisfying feeling like before.

@Doncroft1

Ай бұрын

@@candyballlecture627 I've quit lots of main games. Some I still love (Starcraft). Some I now hate (Overwatch). I wonder how far I'll go with DBD. I'm 3 years in.

@AD88884

Ай бұрын

I took a three year break from dbd and returned to leave again after only a couple months cuz it just isn’t fun anymore.

@mind_control_really_sucks_

Ай бұрын

I quit for a long time and came back with a new mindset just chilling playing music every match with killer and survivor. It takes so much stress away but the skill expression being cut out makes the future of playing this game seem bleak.

MMR made the game boring. Every game is sweaty, using the same perks, same playstyles, etc. It was more fun when you could try random builds and get paired against players of varying skills. Every game was a toss up on how it would play out.

I really missed Lightburn cause it was a really neat feature and another good reason to bring a flashlight to the match

just because something was "fun" doesnt mean it shouldve stayed in the game. locker saves were unfair because bully squads would abuse them, burning wraith out of power was simply annoying, hag traps requiring a flashlight to play against was purely stupid as no killer should require you to bring specific items or you lose. sky billy was fun, but also confusing and disorienting for newer players and average players because it was intended.

@plumily4197

Ай бұрын

i agree that a lot of things never made sense, but stuff like sky billy was just weird and cool, i think these intricate little techs make the game more enjoyable to learn, but they need to be balanced. Games that are easy to learn and hard to master are going to have a longer lifespan, unfortunately DBD is moving towards being easy to learn and master.

@TheSharkkyy

Ай бұрын

Not sure how many hours you have, but I'm sitting at 1300 and this game is just beyond boring anymore. Same meta builds, same sweaty killers and survivors. I wish you could see my perspective on "fun"

@Spiralborea

Ай бұрын

Agree completely

@ThizzXorXdie

Ай бұрын

cheaters find their cheats fun. does it mean it should stay in the game? lmao the double standards.

@TheSharkkyy

Ай бұрын

​@@ThizzXorXdie cheaters have been addressed a million times nor does anyone care if cheaters have fun, they deserve to be banned. What double standards?

I just think that you can't keep playing the same game for YEARS without getting some sort of burnout, as once said by the Mathieu Coute "play something else".

@DarkyLonewolf

Ай бұрын

Honestly? This, unironically. Some people feel obligated to religiously play the same game over and over, then blame their inevitable burnout on anything else, like... It's okay to take breaks. If a game begins feeling like a chore, maybe play something else. Or, if it's gaming itself feeling like a chore... Going out and touching grass/snow (depends on season and location) is always an option.

@Dirpitz

Ай бұрын

yep I almost exclusively play memey Adiris builds to have fun with survivors, if I wanna go hard I'll double hook everyone then go do some gens and pallet stuns flashy saves etc, honestly it's chill af and end game chats are always pleasant. Too many people forget the pixels exist to bring joy

Ngl the MMR change basically killed any enjoyment I had of the game... It really felt like games went from fun and challenging to insanely insanely sweaty and griefy. I'm so tired of survs giving up on hook, killers hard hard tunneling every match and survs refusing to team play because a chase was slightly too close to a gen. I play solo queue on surv and killer about 50/50, it's just not worth playing alone anymore because it's just frustrating on both sides.

One thing I've been confused about for awhile now is why they haven't made casual and competitive their own entities. Most games do that nowadays, and while it's not a perfect system and may require more work, I feel it could be better for both new and long-time players. Forcing everyone into basically a competitive atmosphere with the SBMM, ranks/grades, and meshing new players who probably wouldn't even want to play a competitive match, with people who absolutely sweat at this game also plays into why some people get shit on when they're not doing well at the game, not to mention killers using boring strategies (like camping) to ensure they get their win. They could make competitive its own playlist, and causal its own playlist and in the casual playlist, they could also add in their temporary modifier game modes like the lights out and my little oni. Honestly, my gf still loves playing this game, but I can't stand it right now; trying to balance THE ENTIRE GAME around people who want it to be more competitive and "balanced" rather than it's og vibe of being a scary, hide from the killer game has hurt it way more than anything else I think.

We are trying to please players who have put 1000+ hours in our game. Thats why we are removing all fun features that were the reason for those people to play in the first place

As someone whos played since beta off and on, i still love playing this game. I play my heart out when a good chapter comes out and when i get bored i usually quit for a few chapters so when i come back the game feels more fresh.

The heartbeat:flatline analogy was really really good

DBD was so much more fun under the Rank-based system. Sure, you might have been stomped sometimes, but I found that under Ranks, I had something to strive for (I remember working to get to red rank, and there wasn't any BP bonus!). As a Solo Q survivor, I found most people who achieved red ranks were competent. Also, these days, I barely play because it feels like escape is impossible for Solo. With all the proxy camping, tunneling- no fun perks- DBD made survivor perks DISABLE during the end game. And this eliminated the exhilaration of getting the Decisive Strike escape. I remember I ran Deliverance and DS. Two perks that have only a one time use. IF you even use them. And I actually escape from a facecamping Trapper. They're just sucking the fun out of the game.

@Rylitos

Ай бұрын

The only I ever played where being unbalanced=more fun lol

@kalemroseland7973

Ай бұрын

I always hit Iri rank 1 back before sbmm and my 2 buddies would stay in purple and green just so the games were a little more casual and it worked out well, if we were stomping killers we knew they had to rank up a color, if the games got to sweaty we knew to try to derank. Now it's just all sweat all the time...

Okay but trying to say something like Lightburn is "skill expression" when in reality it was just "Always bring a Flashlight because for some reason certain killers can be completely countered by a single item" Lightburn was a shit mechanic and it's good that it's gone. She said it's a "Fun little interaction" yeah for the Survivor it was, not for the killer. Locker saves another example of something that was fun for one side and miserable for the other side. Those examples are 100% a Survivor main just sad they can't do more things to get easy wins anymore. Chucky flicks and Blight Hug tech, these things aren't fun to go against. None of the examples except Sky Billy and Invisible Walls is something that's actually fun for both sides.

@ThedreadrogueYT

Ай бұрын

Hug techs feel awesome to pull off

@ew4525

Ай бұрын

I think lightburn is problematic only for wraith no?

@SmolDuragTV

Ай бұрын

Ehhh debatable. I’ve experienced all of these things and I found them fun. DBD is literally all about having fun at the expense of the other side. For one side to do good that means the other side has to be playing poorly. A more balanced game is a more boring game. All of these things named were far and few in between. They rarely happened so complaining that it was in the game really isn’t valid. Most of these things named the average or casual player couldn’t even do. Which is 90% of the player base. So it doesn’t even add up. Why are y’all complaining about something you rarely even encountered. I’ve only met ONE team that could consistently locker save. I played against them THREE times. I won 2 of 3 of those games. And while it was frustrating it was still fun… You know why? Because they were playing for fun not playing to win. When you remove all of the fun things from the game you get boring games where people only play to win. I tell killers this all the time. If you bring light-born that just makes the game boring for both sides. Because now we’re just gonna sit on gens until the game is over. Instead of sitting around waiting for our teammate to go down so we can hit a save. The dbd community is their own worst enemy. The casuals complaining about things they never had to experience or deal with is WILD.

@wesmontti3607

Ай бұрын

You must be fun at parties.

@ItlsWhatltls

Ай бұрын

I agree tbh, those changes were to nerf flashlights as at a point they were the best item and you’d come up against 4 flashys in every high level game. Now you usually see 3 different items each game, and you have to use a perk slot if you want a really strong flashlight

Putting yourself in the "right place, right time" is a skill and you can make a build around it. It probably won't be as good as another build, but there are still ways to be able to support your team by going for saves without outright neglecting gens. Learning the skills required to position yourself at the right place at the right time is a huge portion of survivor gameplay IMO. That said, it's still nice to be able to play with more intricate mechanics. Those mechanics that were removed were largely taken away from the game because they genuinely were unfun (obviously excluding things like sky-billy). What they should be doing (and what they are to some extent by adding in ways to remove hag's traps that aren't directly tied to one specific item) are adding new ways to support those players who loved to interact with obscure techniques.

@musicstuff6310

Ай бұрын

Right place right time, til the killer just slugs because they know youre trying to save your teammate. Good luck if youre injured because they will just pinpoint your exact location. By removing features of the game, survivor just boils down to delaying the first hook state and gen rushing while toure at advantage. Is your random not doing gens while you're in chase.. well then ggs maybe, just maybe youll have a chance of one out against any competent killer. I escape a decent majority of my matches but i do try for saves/trades and i see my escape as a loss for the team if it's only me or another person. Bonus points if you run the killer every time for over 45 sec just for your teammates to go insta down. Theres literally nothing you can do, and if you lose too much the game just gives you baby killers. Like no joke its not fun to stomp shitty killers and then get sweated on when you have shitty teammates. Like maybe some people enjoy the ego boost but nah i just want good games like i dont mind losing if it felt good

I’ve always felt like I’d be going up against a bunch of NPC’s or I’d be matched with an A1 special forces draft pick team. But if I’m chasing people around, I don’t want to constantly run into flashlight Betty who acts like they want to get chased, it’s the most immersion breaking and disappointing part of the gameplay cycle, It physically makes me want to take off my headphones and go outside, or worse I boot up the Ol League again…

I also wanna add. My girlfriend started playing dbd with me as she wanted to spend more time with me. She has never played games. Only some nintendo games like mario kart or animal crossing. She started around this time the previous year. And she cannot play the game for more than 3 games because she’ll get tunneled out, or just killed very quickly. So them making changes for new players doesn’t even work. When i started playing the game back in 2019, i was an absolute noob. A streamer friend of mine had a lot of knowledge about the game and taught me and a couple of other friends the basics. I can’t say i played it a lot, but i really do understand why people miss the old game. It was way more beginner friendly. It was fun learning about little techniques and doing all that. Ive been playing almost everyday since 2021 now, mostly solo queue until april 2022. In that time i tried to get all achievements, most adept, tried to learn the most difficult skills and techs. Because after learning most perks from doing adepts and add-on too. I needed something different to keep me going. I still dont dare to 360 but for example i got better at dh, i got better at flashlight saving, i got better at burning wraith and crows, even tried it multiple time with nurse with some success. They all removed that now and its sad. I still play dayly tho, i still love the game, but i do agree that the games now are either a full win or an immediat (or atleast fast) lose. Its not fun for experienced players, but also not for beginners in the long run.

@zoe4622

Ай бұрын

Oh ye i also wanted to add that there are a lot of QoL changes they shouldve added a long time ago, we now have searchbars and thats great. But a volume slider for the bloodweb? A randomizer for random perks on survivors ánd for killers? A randomizer for picking killers where u dont know which one you’ll get. More common perks for beginners? Its not that hard to program those things in and i know from experience cause i am a developer. Also, from a developer standpoint I just really dont get why they arent involved with the community more and take advice from veterans that want the best for the games? If i have to make a program for a customer, we will add most of what they want if its an achievable and a possible goal. Ofcourse customers dont always have the knowledge what is good or bad for their product, but thats why we developers give them expert advice too!! I dont get why behaviour doesnt listen to their experts… (aka the veterans, not even the developers!)

dowsey neevr acted like a good guy. he always had this aura of doush around him

@domynicpagnotti3985

Ай бұрын

Agreed glad I’m not the only one who thought so

@charlienoii

Ай бұрын

Literally people who like dowsey are weird

@KingOfKumquats

Ай бұрын

Heres the comment I was looking for. Dowsey was lame and it was very apparent whenever he interacted with actual good dbd creators.

@FlazeBlaster

Ай бұрын

he got forced to quit dbd for being douchebag to those hardcore players challenge. he's cocky and egoist

@matthewbad2000

Ай бұрын

I personally never watched him but to call him mean or un watchable is a huge stretch and you can come off as ignorant yourself

Matches are just stressful, and the meta is the same, and the gameplay is predictable for every match.

As someone who really enjoys the game and understands majority of the gripes. I have never understood why they haven’t created a ton of permanent alternate game modes. 8 years and we don’t even have a ranked mode separate with a casual mode. 8 years and we are still cranking away at gens. How we haven’t gotten any grand new type of alternate game experience is beyond me. They have the money and time to clearly do it. Especially when they are splitting off to create 3 new DBD universe games, movie, and more😂. That’s my biggest gripe. These limited modes we get are fun, but when we have them for such a short period, it makes it feel like a waste of time. Why put the work and effort towards a chaotic gamemode to not keep it as a permanent alternate mode. We can a sub menu. I’m not saying turn this shit into Fortnite, but the game needs something to completely refresh the experience that isn’t just buffing or nerfing a character.

I came back recently because I wanted to play The Unknown and Xenomorph. I'm a killer main and I gave myself a break after Skull Merchant not because I was particularily dissatisfied (although that release was BS for both killers and survivors), but because I had other stuff I wanted to play. I came back expecting to find and play the same game, and I ran into the realization that this might be the second place DbD has ever been in. Slushie is right, it's extremely rare to have a game where I don't get absolutely bullied, or one where I'm facing baby survivors and a guy desperately trying to carry them. I've wanted to try some fun builds I saw in Otzdarva's website, but the reality is that an average killer like me HAS to use slowdown builds if you don't want to get an absolutely toxic experience. I can't try some non meta killers I want to learn because the learning experience is absolutely painful; yes, I don't expect a 4 Hook every game, but it's honestly not healthy to queue in for up to 5 minutes (wonder why no one is playing Killer again...) just to be bullied.

It may be rose tinted glasses or nostalgia, but to me personally the game isn't what it used to be full stop. The more they "balance" the game the less fun it gets. Having room for things to be out of the scape of fairness on both sides promotes fun games as now you're getting variety in perks and peoples playstyles. Before you could run niche perks and pair them with others and get away with it until super high level. Now? Adrenaline,Windows,BT or DS, everyone runs at least one of these because without them you're a dead man walking. The games lost it's allure for a lot of people and I see why.

@jakonfire

Ай бұрын

but what I don't understand is why they get rid of "high skill tech" things when they implemented the new MMR, if the MMR worked as planned why would they need to be concerned for new players, right?

@LoganHunter82

Ай бұрын

@@jakonfire SBMM has never worked. It still prioritizes fast games over balanced games. And SWF's skew the MMR straight out the window, because there could be four players who all have completely different MMR

@jakonfire

Ай бұрын

@@LoganHunter82 sorry but, where did I bring up SBMM? We’re talking about MMR, completely different subject. Everybody knows SBMM never works in any game, that’s why it kills multiplayer games. MMR has no reason to exist in a game like DBD. Especially when there’s no ranked system in play, it’s only for bonus BP’s.

@LoganHunter82

Ай бұрын

@@jakonfire Oh, I agree with you. This game shouldn't have MMR at all (or SBMM). I guess I worded myself poorly

@jakonfire

Ай бұрын

@@LoganHunter82 oh my mistake! I thought you were disagreeing with me :')

I replayed Ocarina of Time no less than 30 times as a child. Spent many hours doing literally everything the game had to offer. I remember the game feeling like a great accomplishment everytime I saved Zelda in the final boss fight. So many times frustration and defeat being a hurdle to overcome through determination and the joys of triumph. I've played DBD for 3,500 hours and felt that same level of accomplishment less overall, but also less and less as time goes on. Winning often doesn't feel good and losing often comes at the hands of sore winners that make you feel bad for losing. It's a blast until a point. Where you're hundreds or even thousands of hours past the point of realization that the biggest change in the 6 minute trial gameplay loop happens only when people are being terrible to each other by prolonging the worst aspects of developer-allowed gameplay decisions. All done mostly by players that'll quit playing 1,000 hours earlier than you have.

@ThizzXorXdie

Ай бұрын

i call cap on time. i watch AGDQ and the best in the world take at least an hour.

@BrianRocksNow

Ай бұрын

@@ThizzXorXdie huh?

The twitch shirt thing is confusing. Been streaming for 6 years, and grew a nice casual community, put in thousands of hours, and now meet way beyond the current requirements, even participated in community events and testing, active in disc, talking to fog whisperers every other day, devs showed up in my stream to say hi, and nothing. Now I have a kid and about to have a 2nd so I play a lot less. Last year I watch someone get a shirt by association to someone who got a shirt, this person legit maybe had 300 followers and 12 viewers, and only played sometimes. It was very obvious that these went to people who were favored or knew someone higher up. This new wave has still been nice because people who did deserve them got some and it was emotional and just all smiles to see their reactions. They should just let us apply. How are we supposed to get found with hundreds of streamers, it seems like it's a popularity competition. Doesn't sit well with me.

I can relate to it so much. Especially the variety part, playing with friends before MMR was an actual 180 from what it is now. Before you would go against the same killer at best 2 times in a row and it happend when matchmaking put the same person in the lobby back. Some games being fun and some bad. Overall experience? Insanely good cause laughs from one game can supress 3 next bad ones and what is it now? Get into a 4man group so drunk monkey playing darts matchmaking can decide you are a comp team and can go against comp wannabe Andy blight or nurse with 4 slowdown perks camping 3gen in the first 300miliseconds he loads into the game. The only thing you can see as variety with current DBD is rotation of 7 meta addons for blights and 3 different skins they use...

Getting rid of wesker's techs is wild it takes months or more to master them and they are very very rarely even useful they are just fun and the only reason I even play the game just to have something I can grind for something unique that just isnt in any other games. Such as moonwalking to me its so unique to this game can't wait for them to remove that again because newer players can't do it off the rip since they wanna give everything training wheels.

@guxery8901

Ай бұрын

Yeah same the whole reason I played was to learn how to moonwalk and 360 and also do some cool mindgames or tricks on killer

I know this from fighting games: If your target group for balance changes is beginners and not veterans/pros then you kill the longevity of the game. Not cause the balance is too centered around beginners, which is wrong too, but because the essential core part of the community will be gone over time. A game that flatens out the differences between skilled/experienced players and new players will basically turn into a coinflip simulator and become very boring very fast.

@The_WIll_OF_D99

Ай бұрын

Yep exactly

Tbh its just the matchmaking for me. I have 300 hours in the game and sometimes I go against killers where I can tell they are similarly skilled as me. That is mostly when I can lay down a good loop and even if I die in the end, I can appreciate the good game I had overall. But then most of the time, I go against killers that mindgame the hell out of me, know where I will go and where a pallet is, know when to swing and creep up on me and then when I'm dead I see they have like 3k hours. Yeah, no wonders they know so much more than me. That's mostly what kills the fun for me. If i feel like I can't do anything right and just always go down immediately, where's the joy in the game? Because there is no game for me.

@LeahDanielleeTTV

19 күн бұрын

This is the EXACT same as me! 300hr I enjoy the games that are close very close to winning / losing. But alot of the time on on a gen for like 30 seconds make one mistake looping die and everyone’s dead on 5 gens 😂😂😂😂

Judging from all of these comments, I think people take this game too seriously. I play both killer and survivor have over 3k hours and I don't play to win I play to have a fun chase and to make the match entertaining. I never feel stressed out when I play DBD. Playing on the survivor side actually helps me relax. While playing killer can be a bit tougher, I never feel "stressed" because I'm simply playing for fun. Edit: Plus, I'm on Playstation, so end game chat is non-existent.

@DarkyLonewolf

Ай бұрын

I can't help but wonder if some of these people are so burnt out, they can't have any fun unless they're winning, but try to pin the blame on the MMR or anything else.

@ganthc

Ай бұрын

I play the opposite. When I play killer, I play for fun chases and interactions with survivors. A lot of times I get my hooks and let everyone go, mainly to pay it forward after getting hard tunneled out of half my matches as survivor. But I got more stressed about survivor play because of depipping. Now that it’s going away, I won’t be stressed about that either. Won’t even really care about tunneling or proxy camping, because I won’t depip from it.

Why is nearly every example of skill expression amounted to "Making yourself near uncounterable" But the stuff like reading perks from actions, guesing survivor movement and mindgames, are not considered skill expressions? If a killer is designed so one of their weaknesses is isolated loops, why is the only think that seems to be considered skill expression the ability to nullify that downside in a low risk, convuluded way? Learning a killers weakness and risking yourself to get them in a weak position? Too bad, I set my dpi super high and looked at the sky for half a second, now you're dying. Not fun to go against in the slightest

@typervader

Ай бұрын

Exactly. The video said they were removing skill expression, but how in the world is shining a flashlight at something hard? Wraith was a D tier killer because of it, yet she wants it back? It just sounds like she's upset she can't hard counter killers to make them completely useless

@AuthorOfWar

Ай бұрын

its less about skill expression and more about fun, for the thing you wrote about it seems to be an inaccurate summarization of a hug tech, first thing, dpi does nothing towards blights power, he has a set amount he can turn per second and total which makes dpi effectively null when playing him, second thing, it is looking down(that is just nitpicking and not always true as up is sometimes used in very specific places). most of the people I've talked to have said blight is incredibly fun to go against simply because of how unpredictable he is, and nearly everyone in the community(mostly streamers/youtubers I've seen) calls him the most fun killer overall even if people have their own cup of tea they like better. it's also not an incredibly easy task to use it properly in a lot of situations as playing blight regularly is normally better. for light burns and such against wraith it may have been a bad thing, but it was fine against THE REST of the killers, for example removing light burn from hag literally made her worse, artist who is normally not extremely counterable for being one of the most effective killers at zoning had an actual counter with flashlights, the same goes for nurse. the only one that should have even been remotely touched was wraith but they removed them all. sky billy(one i haven't seen mentioned here yet) and by proxy space billy were not very viable in a lot of situations, they were just goofy no need for them to be removed(especially since they took a lot of time to learn 1 spot) most of these things were either fun to do, fun to go against, fair, or some combination of those 3. of course people aren't happy about those things being removed, they were objectively fun in something originally meant to be a party game. maybe I'm wrong, those are just my takes based on things I've experienced or understood based on what others have told me.

@dreddem

Ай бұрын

​@@AuthorOfWarconjecture. You're literally spewing nonsense 😂😂I can tell you're a survivor player

@lukesimpson1507

Ай бұрын

But how is the blight with the 10k hours going to show off his skills if he can't get a guaranteed down on nearly any loop in the game?

@typervader

Ай бұрын

There is no such thing as 'objectivly' fun buddy. Just because you and others found them fun, doesnt mean other people find them fun. @@AuthorOfWar

My best times in DBD are the fun and silly interactions: Giggling while I run away from a blastmine being kicked. Jumpscaring survivors that lost track of me. Nodding at those that make good plays on either side. Crouch dancing with a fellow survivor cause were kinda trapped until the killer moves a bit away. Donating flash grenades and medkits to survivors you save on death hook. Finding that you destroyed the badly matched survivors so bad that you just need to enslave them into fixing all your gens, before taking out the heroic obsession as a lesson. Booping Victor, Pig and Demo. Pig going full Saw and stalking you but letting you go if you manage to get the ticking trap off. Having a flashlight dance party and a slug race at the end. I rarely see much of any of this anymore. Where are my chill goofballs that still want to have fun but also win a close match if they can? I think content creators forgot how to smile and laugh, which gets the playerbase to also forget. While BHVR do need to finally wise up to how they test things, all doom and gloom wieghs on the heart of the game. Even if the best joke right now is how badly the UE5 port has screwed up the game to nearly unplayable, laugh it up. It isn't worth stressing over.

I still remember my only time versing you. I was a Mikaela (without the hat) and half way through, I gave up and wanted death, started chasing you around and it turned into a game where you wouldn't hit me at all, so I'd start healing someone right after you downed them and stuff, bodyblock hooks. It was one of the funniest matches I've played in a long time. Also I had a mini heart attack when I saw it was you.

@pobster88j94

Ай бұрын

Why? Streamers are just random people who video themselves playing a game. Nothing to be in awe about at all.

its strange to watch this - because I strongly agree but also massively disagree with some points. Burning Wraith was overpowered and needed to be removed; Two people stunning you non stop was kinda broken. The Blight was always intended to be a Ping-Pong killer and not a sliding killer and therefore putting him into a bracket he shouldn't have been. The Hug tech shouldn't have been in the game in the first place (confirmed by Devs) and I'm glad they're fixing it. The Oni 180 flicks is also unintended and can only be achieved by lifting up the camera super quickly and turning it - it was never meant to be possible but bug exploits remain in game. It's not skill expression when it's exploiting an unintended bug - technically you could argue that using the locker bug with flashlights was skill because you had to do multiple actions at the same time to make it active. So yeah? I don't quite understand the point that it's skill expression when it's actually not and its using unintended bugs. Using a killer powers as they are intended will show more skill then using an unintended bug imo. But yeah BHVR have no understanding of how to balance the game but it's not meant to be balanced - its meant to be in the killers favour but that's fine. But when you look at how they reworked Twins... urgh it makes me sick to my stomach.

@The_WIll_OF_D99

Ай бұрын

I disagree with you there. If you played many games you would know some bugs are what helps give players more freedom and express themselves a lot more. The 180 flicks. They could have removed it. They did for Chucky but not Oni. do you not see what that means? Oni is an exception. It what makes him amazing to play once you master him. It sucks it's stuck on PC but doing a flick is not easy to do. It does take skill to do so AND it takes skill for the awareness to use it properly and land it. I've seen pros miss flicks before and it's fine but they try and do it because it's fun and it's skillful.

@BrightWulph

Ай бұрын

Agreed, I almost choked on my breakfast when she said "locker blinds were skill expression" *PTSD intensifies*. The fuck it was not, it was not fun to have to deal with a horse and pony show with head-on, flashbang and flashlights from all sides, especially at shack. That was an exploit and the fact it remained in the game so long was gross af, I know a lot of survivor and even killer mains would just say "use Lightborn and/or Franklin's" great advice truly, never mind the fact that LB and FD are locked behind killers, one of whom is behind a paywall. I at 50 hours, got lucky that LB and Franklin's appeared in the SoS a week apart, so I didn't have to grind out killers to unlock two perks. But others, who started later than me wouldn't have been so lucky. So yeah, I think this "skill experssion" is a load of bull and people are juat upset they can't use exploits anymore.

@fg-l3565

Ай бұрын

Bugs aren't inherently bad for the game. If the literal only argument you can come up with is *"it's an exploit"*, maybe reconsider what makes exploit a bad thing.

@loopy_lit1461

Ай бұрын

@@fg-l3565 its not the "only argument" but it may be the main point I was conveying in my post - but it's also an extremely valid one. I'll try to refine it a bit more then - Giving an advantage to a player using an exploit to gain advantage and what others are unable to do. Is it skill that a person has learnt to "by pass" the Dev's intended programming, maybe. But it doesn't make it right. Merciless storm had a bug where it would regress the generator back to 0 - is that cool to keep it in the game because people saw there was a bug and utilised it to win. Nah not imo. With upcoming changes to b(h)ug techs I'm glad they're being fixed because I think Wesker is one of the most balanced killers in the game, when people don't abuse him. It'll be great for killers to have a fair level playing field for everyone to show true skill expression... not abusing a bug.

@loopy_lit1461

Ай бұрын

​@@The_WIll_OF_D99 Ok - so if you think its fair that PC players can do it and Console players can't, then I can suggest it's because it's not intended - I therefore don't think it's skill because those players who are relying on a "fun" (but unintended) exploit to get wins. The sooner the better to fix it the more players can shine

the problem with DBD was the same problem in Overwatch. Where one small cry form the community, The Devs suddenly pull a buff or a nerf. 1. Survs Cry, Devs do a buff and a nerf on a killer. 2. Killers cry (Hard enough, Harder than Survs) Devs do a buff and some nerfs on survs 3. Devs just does a buff and nerf on the game that no one asked for.

@atlasgraham154

Ай бұрын

Devs nerf and buff based on statistics, not the playerbase. If they listened to the 'small cries from the community' the game would be so ungodly broken literally nobody would be playing it right now, because the community is stupid and we bitch about literally everything.

Thank you so much for making this video, I really hope someone listens to what we are all saying

My unpleasant and chronic experience playing DbD is dealing with 4 killers (SWF+K teams) : greedy/sabo- boosting cheaters, hackers, etc., I'm constantly playing against the same culprits (the same players; pulled into the same lobby over -and over). If I report egregious cheats, I never get a prompt window to make specific detailed reports using the PS5 console. I really think I would like to play against bots that are refined to play more realistically in game. I want to play the game with clever nuance and strategy, and with a survivor team that plays the game as it's intended to be played (4 Survivors against 1 Killer). I'm just fed up playing DbD with frick'n sadistic cheaters (killer and swfs ; their patterns of play are the bloody same) And, DbD events, forget about it, the greed is bloody worse). Cheaters just grind the same hacks to garner points and whatever accolades or cosmetics they covet. Also, I think DbD needs more content other than bloody generators and chests. Anyway, I've tier-3'd all characters that I own in the game, and have resided to play one or two trials periodically. I just started playing Deceit-2, and find it more compelling to invest my time and money. Cheers~

Definitely isn’t just DBD. This is a thing in all of gaming. Tekken was one of the hardest games to learn period. Now with tekken 8, so many things that required skill and execution were dumbed down and now you can get the same value with one singular button press. Some of these things took literal years to master. It was all for the sake of casual play. Money. Adding battle passes in a tekken game. It sucks but that’s the way gaming companies want to go. More casuals more money and who cares if they leave. They bought the game.

@GorgoniteDew

Ай бұрын

Whine about accessibility... company complies.... "No! Not like that!"

@FEKana

Ай бұрын

​@@GorgoniteDewThere are good ways to add accessibility to a game without compromising the core experience for all players. The last of us Remake and last of us part II do a good job of making their game accessible without ruining the core gameplay (Not considering the story)

@hgamesca8288

Ай бұрын

Literally why so many games i've played for thousands of hours no longer see a minute of my time. While cs:go never got rid of boosting completely, I vividly remember them removing a boost spot because of a tournament game with pros. It was after that I pretty much stopped playing, simply because I didn't care to see how they were going to keep trying to "balance" the game when it didn't need to be. Then they resumed to removing being able to get kills through certain doors that had been there since cs:source.

@GorgoniteDew

Ай бұрын

@FEKana You really brought up LOU 2. Holy moly. I get what you're saying, circling back to fighting games, people wanted it more casual and beginner friendly to expand the scene. (FGC) They got it and are now throwing tantrums. The most vocal gamers never know what they want. Almost always get it, and almost always pitch a fit. Having gamed my entire life. From Nes, Genesis, etc. I have seen it innumerable times. I have only recently gotten into dbd because of my gf, but Holy shit is this community wholly ridiculous. They badmouth good faith updates, they bad mouth new content, they hate each other and the game. I have been in old-school fps lobbies that weren't as awful as this community... not to mention ungrateful. If you have better ideas, I hope you did their survey.

@generalforster

Ай бұрын

Accessibility is bad

I love this game and try to have a "go with the flow" approach. I have a little over 8k hours and I really hope I never reach this point. I need small breaks sometimes but I hope I never reach a point that I want to quit.

@Dantelvr

Ай бұрын

I do the same, I rlly enjoy this game and have tons of fun on it, especially playing with a buddy of mine, I feel like a lot of ppl who “hate” the game or super tired of it etc take this shit way to serious and try to ride the meta or do this and that, I’m just like if u try to lighten up and just have fun it won’t be as “stressful” as they say it is

thank u slushie and coco. i hope the devs hear us🫶

I started playing in 2019, and stopped just over a year ago. Originally saw Seananners play it, and when I got game pass, I downloaded it myself. It used to be a fun game to play with my friends. We would all log on after work and mess around. It was the hangout without actually hanging out. The games got worse, and slowly my friends stopped playing. I was the last to stop. Found I couldn't stand being a surv main anymore, and only played killer. Even that stopped being fun after a while. I've often wanted to go back, but then I think about how little fun it was. Almost found myself deleting the game the other day. Met a guy on TCM who was a former dbd player. Had a good chat with him in match. Very similar story, but he'd be out for about a year and a half. Both of us have a couple thousand hours. I'm around 3k surv main and he's higher killer main. We're out here, and we're disappointed in the way dbd has gone.

Hearing her say she gave up after Skull Merchant was satisfying. Really glad she came into this game purely for that.

@deathmetalhellokitty9724

Ай бұрын

The Skull Merchant Def had her issues but currently I find her good. Not as fun as clown or hillbilly but decent

@JakeobE

Ай бұрын

@@deathmetalhellokitty9724 She is definitely not fine or healthy. The hindered and deep wound aspect of her power is beyond stupid, drones being able to intersect each other is dumb, but the fact survivors have no way of knowing when a drone that was disabled will turn back on is ridiculous. There should be an audio cue of when a drone will turn back on, so running to a gen or loop won't just give you a free tick and or health state/hindered etc.

@bump7956

Ай бұрын

@@deathmetalhellokitty9724 nice bait

@deathmetalhellokitty9724

Ай бұрын

@@JakeobE skill issue. Typical survivors. Just say you hate her instead of lying

@Warmness

Ай бұрын

@@JakeobEBut have you ever gone against perma stealth merchant? (Of course you had not silly we play dbd they play d4)

I watched a guy fall to his knees at Home Depot today

@HockeyM.M.

Ай бұрын

did he lose a dbd mobile match?

@RedSpade37

Ай бұрын

Storytime? Or are you just as confused as we are?

@silverrose1933

Ай бұрын

That's sounds gay

@mosshivenetwork117

Ай бұрын

Sounds like a bad day

@Pheonix19581

Ай бұрын

...?

I'm glad most of these things were removed -- especially stuff like the Chucky and Blight tech. Giving a competitive advantage to the top 1% of the top 1% who practiced for hours doing what was essentially a bug is not an interesting game to compete in. The core problem is that there are not enough Things To Do, so I can understand her sentiment -- removing Things To Do is lame. I don't want game-breaking quirks, though. So lets get more NEW Things To Do, intentional quirks, that don't break the game. 3rd-person killer with Chucky was cool, seances in the basement was cool... MORE MORE MORE.

tbf it wasn't the hug tech that was specifically targeted with the blight change. it was the "sliding off of objects during a dash for no reason" that was fixed.

@BrightWulph

Ай бұрын

Exactly, BHVR is finally fixing a bug/exploit with one one of their top tier killers and people are acting like it's the end of the world. 😅

@OhPorty

Ай бұрын

@@BrightWulph I wouldn't even call it an exploit ya know? Def a tech. The problem is the tech was part of a massive bug that once fixed, removed the tech. I'm just happy that I won't run into a wall and NOT bounce off of it and slide on it like's grease covered lmao

@BrightWulph

Ай бұрын

@@OhPorty Yeah, I get it, it's like an incredibly niche situation that's technically a bug and its being fixed. I just find it funny, because people are complaining that "bugs don't get fixed in this game", so here's BHVR trying to fix a bug and everyone is yelling "No, not that one!" because it technically gives an advantage to lesser skilled Blights, because they can just *slide* off an object instead of bouncing.

@Sergei-D

Ай бұрын

@@OhPorty No, it's definitely an exploit by definition. It isn't intended. It's exploiting the way Blight's collision works. It wasn't a "tech" (everything is a "tech" in DBD).

As a gamers that play game so much had arround 800 games on steam playing Dota2 in 7k Hours, BDO arround 5k Hours or even my Nier Automata at 4k Hours its Ok to quit the game you enjoy, its Healthy Dont play game because you forced to play it Play game when you want , i had a lot games because now feel burnt out by playing game i love doing some visual novel or even farming simulator will never be a bad idea there will always a game you will coming back everytime you want (in my case its Dota2) DBD is fun game, but once you feel stressed out about it try to close the game and play another game that fun for you Lately i play DBD just having fun to swf with friend or doing some Meme Build as Killer once i feel stressed out because the enemy either too strong or the game feel unbalanced i will close the game and listening to some Music or watching Video its OKAY to taking rest , the game supposed to be Fun if the game you love, make you stress i do advice to getting out of it Mental Health is not small issue, tantrum could be damage your mental too try to find a new game or a new hobby going out to convenience store or park will help too stop thinking you had chores on any game you love just do what you want

The biggest mistake they made was adding ranks which made DBD a competitive game instead of a fun one. Skill based match making ruins everygame especially if you are at the top end where you have to sweat everygame to succeed instead of having fun.

If people weren't toxic new players wouldn't quit so much. Its not just about being matched with more experienced players, its how those players interact with noobs, from people I know that started playing they tell me that one match with a toxic SWF ruins their whole experience, most of them also thought the gane concentrated on being a horror game. Which it isn't

League is far less stressful than DBD, and that's saying something. You don't have to deal with unbalanced mechanics, bully squads abusing exploits like infinite head-on, permanently blinding new killers, instant pick-ups with endurance. DBD was meant to be a chill fun game, but then they made it competitive, added skill based matchmaking, and forced every player to sweat every game in anti-fun ways. The game prioritizes nonsensical buffs and nerfs to keep the game 'fresh' instead of making the game actually fun and healthy.

@hatsunemiku1348

Ай бұрын

League of legends? Lol you're insanely low mmr if you think this, one miss play at top ranks and you're getting absolutely roasted by your team.

@DarkyLonewolf

Ай бұрын

No, MMR does not "force you to sweat". In fact, you can have a couple matches where you just fuck around and eventually get the less sweaty matches after that. If anything, maybe the problem is that you can't have fun unless you're winning every game. In which case... Methinks a break from the game might be a better option.

@WTFJhinZhao

Ай бұрын

@@hatsunemiku1348 You can mute them, you cant stop a survivor from tbagging.

the issue with the variability of games is new players who want to play will stay if they lose one or two, but if a new player is stomped and is trying the game they aren’t returning. They need new game modes, not the removal of mmr.

@Insanity-vv9nn

Ай бұрын

If they added casual/ranked this would have solved the problem

@OwlpoAnimations

Ай бұрын

@@Insanity-vv9nn Casual modes would fix so many issues. A hide and seek mode, a casual mode, a competitive mode, and if they want to be random make a random mode which gives you a random kill/character with a random set of perks, addons, and items

@DarkyLonewolf

Ай бұрын

@@Insanity-vv9nn Identity V, AKA DBD's younger sibling, has that casual/ranked split. Trust me, matchmaking quality in there is NOT any better. Casual matches are a pendulum of "stomp/get stomped" that either swings every match or takes a dozen matches of getting stomped to get one game where you're the one stomping (and that's before the game has mercy on you and just tossed you into a bot match instead if you had a particularly bad loss streak), and ranked... Well, it's hardly an indicator of how skilled the survivors/killer you're going against will be, because smurfing is very much a thing. So no, a casual/ranked split would NOT fix the matchmaking in DBD. It's silly to assume it'll be that easy, and people will find something to whine about anyway.

@LetztezBatallion

Ай бұрын

@@DarkyLonewolf Agree, all the people going "WE NEED A CASUAL QUEUE!" are forgetting people will play like it's ranked on every single queue. It has happened to every single game with separate qeues, people use casual as "practice for ranked" and go as hard as they do in ranked (Preds in casual lobies are such a problem in apex that the communitiy made an unoffical pact to kill any pred in a casual lobby as soon as they drop and then resume normal play, for example). It will happen to DBD too, hell, it's already happening. Hop on the forum and see the countless posts about killers slugging in my little oni just so they can get that sweet sweet 4k. On a casual for fun mode that has basically no rewards.

"If everyone is cancelled, then no one is"

I've taken numerous breaks from DbD, sometimes for a few weeks, sometimes a few months and once even over 6 months. I LOVE this game but man do I need a break at times

Who else quit besides slushie and Downey? Dowsey quit like a year ago already

@ishwenbipat

Ай бұрын

Tithi,Jaee,Monto,Noob3 Ascension,Anaxandra Just to name a few.

@kveras617

Ай бұрын

@@ishwenbipat damn all this year??? That's wild

@ishwenbipat

Ай бұрын

@@kveras617 Nah more like over the years. anaxandra and ascension for example left ages ago.

@tedturtle5032

Ай бұрын

PototoLegion, Chemzy (he came back recently briefly then left again), Noob3, etc. Seraphimeyes took a long break not sure if they are coming back.

SBMM doesn't even work. Either as Survivor, I still got weak teammates with strong Killers or as Killer, I still went up against Survivors who have at minimum 2x times as many hours as I did. Which is at least 2k hours. I don't mind shit talking what I got sick of is the entitlement of a one-sided shitfest. An old example but when the Boiled Over rework happened a while back I was brought to Red Forest with multiple Oak Offerings and toolboxes like it was clear with what they were intending to do (endgame showed that 3 of them did have Boiled Over). So I came in with the mentality to return scummy plays with scummy plays I tunneled and camped and like usual they thought it was okay for them to play like a bunch of dicks but when I did it suddenly wasn't okay. Or in another case specifically with streamers, streamers love talking mad amounts of shit but when they get called out on it or it's reciprocated back they either play dumb, tell me to move on, or ban me from their stream. You can talk all the shit you want but let me say my piece since you were allowed to say yours. All in all, I quit DbD because I started playing FF14 and realizing that I had more fun with less stress and anxiety playing FF14.

@brandonsnelling2270

Ай бұрын

Agreed, streamers are extremely toxic. I received a ban for a week from streamers talking crap to me, not even sure why I got banned and not them, but maybe they did as well. But all they did was harass me for killing a couple of them.

Honestly I'm taking a rest from dbd rn because of Bloodmoon event, it was so freaking harsh. Everyone in our discord channel were making swf groups with bps or cakes, but i didn't have those, cuz I joined last year in August and even though I have 900h over in dbd, i still had a few bps on my characters. And grinding my bloodweb with 5 prestige levels and only 1 bps in it was so annoying. Like I got over 30 Eryie of Crows map offerings and only one bps, come on. And during the even every match was so sweaty and all teammates were competitive af. I mean, I have enough stress at my workplace, I come to dbd to kinda switch my thoughts and meet some friends, but that event pressure got me to the point of extreme exhaustion.

@freezerounds

Ай бұрын

Direct opposite for me. The blood point gains were so incredible that I didn't even care when I was having a bad match. Going back to 32,000 BP *at most* every match has turned me off of the game for a while.

I started to play DBD because it was a nice change from playing competitive games. I was a competitive gamer my whole life and I wanted something to fill the void of competitive but not have to sweat and be stressed. I originally didn't like the game but it really grew on me because it was so different and chaotic, you really never knew what to expect in a match. I learned some techs that were super fun and DBD became the perfect non-sweaty "competitive" game for me. But lately the game has felt like it's leaning towards being a full competitive game where everybody runs the same perks, MMR making every game too much work to relax in, and I only face maybe 30% of the killer pool? I stopped playing killer mostly because it kept putting me against comp players and 5k+ players when I only have ~700 hours total. I can't play with my friends now because they aren't as into it and they just get tunneled instantly and don't want to play. It just feels like a competitive game now and I really just want to have fun. I don't care if I win or lose as long as the match was fun and interesting but every match just feels similar now. Skull merchant should just be removed IMO. Nobody likes facing her and honestly her perks are all kind of meh.

The games dying and they're desperate, taking action in the wrong ways and trying to please as many people as possible in the worst way possible instead of trying to retain what miniscule player base they have left. On the flip side, if you leave the game "fun" for that playerbase, it gate keeps newer players from finding the fun in the game without spending a thousand hours in the game to find that fun. Whatever BHVR does, they are doomed to fail and DBD will just die eventually.

@fg-l3565

Ай бұрын

The game stopped growing years ago, but it's not dying. Literally every single verifiable metric would claim otherwise

Ah Dowsey quitting DBD again, is a new DBD-Killer coming?

@BrienDoesIt

Ай бұрын

I love how they keep using dowsey and he quit like 3 years ago lol

@Doncroft1

Ай бұрын

​@BrienDoesIt Not quite 3. Unless he keeps quitting and coming back. I know he quit over a year ago.

@SpaghettiYOLOKing

Ай бұрын

​@Doncroft1 yeah, about a year ago. Has not looked back either.

If you know all about dbd, and u love learning, go comp maybe? no? Besides burning nurse, it's not skill expression at all. Delusionnal perma burning wraith = skill (no way she said after it was the funniest thing for her 😭) or hag's traps for that matter. Dodging flashlight's lobbies??? LMAO they can last second swap what do you mean??? Are you supposed to dodge lobby because the match is unfair?? Dont u contradict yourself Slushiettv? I agree on skybilly, breaking game but still, invisible walls are weird too, I agree. It feels who is the best killer macro & micro and who is the most coordinated team. Not who has the biggest %minus or %bonus on gen progression. " I rather play very unbalanced fun dbd". Ok, now imagine you are getting every match old nurse back to back tunneling you every game XDDDDDDDD yes yes so fun haha

@bigfelig64

Ай бұрын

yeah I stopped watching after the flashlight part cus I can't take that seriously... like what? most people did know those killer specific counterplays, maybe less known on nurse and artist but still. also wraith is nowhere near strong enough to justify the burning mechanic even being a thing, and after doing it so many times its really not that fun whether the wraith is properly dodging/taking cover or you succeed

i also disagree with the the 180 flicks, skybilly, and hug tech all that shit was garbage and it allowed the players who mainned these killers to rely on unintended mechanics instead of just using their ability.

pretty much every game i was called trash and tbagged spammed i just don't wanna deal with it so its one the good reasons i quit that and I don't agree with some changes, always same mode and devs focusing on skins way more than anything. i don't agree with the point of cancel culture this and that, as the word is overused and people don't like to look at other core reasons when saying it and I can't help cringe when hearing someone say it tbh. I do thing devs should have done more with the toxic chats when reporting them. i know others who stopped as well because of it id rather play a game like ff 14 where its a lot nicer. i played anonymous mode because when i didn't i had people say a lot of crap on my profile even if i played fair so its not because people just do it to be toxic and I'm not making my whole account private just to counter something from one game... also she wants the wraith flashlight thing to come back she clearly played survivor most the time cuz that's a thing i hard disagree with her on. as for the changes they did some that were fine i think its wild to say all have done bad or only focus on the bad side of things devs have done this whole time and not acknowledge the good hence why I'm not a big fan of her video.

Burnout? I mean, no one can keep playing a game forever, especially when it feels like the devs aren't listening to the community. Though, personally, it feels like the first content creator is mostly complaining about clearly overpowered and/or unbalanced mechanics that have zero counterplay being removed and I'm like...uuuh, yeah? I don't care how "fun" you, with 20k+ hours, think it is to have some "lulz" happen. Me, with only 500 hours, am sick to death of getting murdered by, for instance, a Chucky, zooming around a corner at Mach 3 and hitting me before I hit a window with absolutely no counterplay. I'm sick of the Nurse existing too, but hey. I play mostly killer and I refuse to do certain things because they *are* broken. No one but me gets happier when clearly broken stuff , or stuff without counterplay, is removed. 8:23 Yeah, but when you're, like me, new to the game and you get obliterated by some obscure super-difficult ninja-tech, you aren't encouraged to learn it, because it's thousands of hours away. All you think is "Okay, so this game isn't welcoming to new players. I joined too late, so I'll just quit and save myself the pain." 21:50 I've been a gamer for like... 30+ years now. There is absolutely no need to be a dick, be toxic or, as you call it, "shit-talk" the opposition. This isn't about being sensitive. It's about not being a dick. It's really, REALLY simple if you think about it. Don't be a dick.

@Dantelvr

Ай бұрын

I agree w all ur points very heavily, I also rlly agree on the fact of “can’t play a game forever” idc what game it is, if u have 9k hours ur gonna get tired of that game no matter how good or bad u are

@Cynwale

Ай бұрын

That's just not true tho. You know what made me want to keep playing League of Legends? Simple, after playing for some games and still being an absolute noob, I've met a game where we all were kinda noobs, me being of course the worst player with no knowledge and no skill whatsoever. But in the game, there was in our team and in the enemy team 1 absolute Giga Chad that took ultra overpowered characters and they were like Gods. They could literally phase through walls at mac 5 while sending like 7 spells and their health would just not budge. You know how it looked like for me? It looked like I was a kid in the Pokemon world, going to watch a battle between two of the best Trainers in the world, and just being there, to think "I wanna be like them in the future." which is why the MMR is trash. Now in Dead by Daylight, the only skill that you will ever see is mind gaming and perfect sight, which is closely followed by map knowledge and tracking ability. Sky Billy, Demo Rocket, Hug Tech for Blight etc... are essential to see if we want new players to be impressed and making them envious of this power. Now the game is just hit and run, around a pallet and god knows if you hit the window, just boring. In a video game, tricks are a boon, because they are what makes people want to learn new things.

@layellow7041

Ай бұрын

Agreed!