Why Are More People Leaving The UK Armed Forces In 2024?

Why Are More People Leaving The UK Armed Forces In 2024?
In the Quarterly service personnel statistics 1 January 2023 on the Gov website, some worrying statistics showed up. It highlighted that more people left the UK Armed Forces then it managed to recruit in 2022. But why is this?
Using the Armed Forces Continuous Attitude Survey (AFCAS) 2022 and asking my followers on Instagram, I managed to collate some of the top reasons why people were leaving the Armed Forces.
In this video, I set out to play devils advocate to the points to provide a different point of view, add some context and perspective in the hopes that people leave the video better informed to make decisions that leave themselves and their family better off.
Topics such as pay, incentives, retention bonuses, poor management and leadership, workload and work life balance are all covered in this video and despite my own opinions on them, I try to see both sides of the story and provide as much useful information as possible.
What are your thoughts? Leave a comment below.
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0:00 Intro
1:49 Responses Breakdown
2:54 Armed Forces - Inadequate Pay
15:21 Armed Forces - Reduction/Lack of Incentives
17:31 Armed Forces - Poor Leadership
20:21 Armed Forces - Work Life Balance
22:57 Armed Forces - Workload
24:32 Armed Forces - Other Reasons
27:59 Final Thoughts
28:46 Outro
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  • @thesavvysquaddie
    @thesavvysquaddie Жыл бұрын

    Timecodes: 0:00 Intro 1:49 Responses Breakdown 2:54 Armed Forces - Inadequate Pay 15:21 Armed Forces - Reduction/Lack of Incentives 17:31 Armed Forces - Poor Leadership 20:21 Armed Forces - Work Life Balance 22:57 Armed Forces - Workload 24:32 Armed Forces - Other Reasons 27:59 Final Thoughts 28:46 Outro

  • @jwatton9897
    @jwatton9897 Жыл бұрын

    Surely most have learened that they are not fighting for their family, loved ones, country or flag. They are fighting for politicians and bankers. Maybe something to do with low numbers.

  • @matthaeus_jacomus

    @matthaeus_jacomus

    Жыл бұрын

    Hit the nail on the head there. We all join very naive but most get the reality check at some point.

  • @zzzo4509

    @zzzo4509

    6 ай бұрын

    You would be surprised how many people don't know that a lot of tards in the forcee

  • @big_slurp4603

    @big_slurp4603

    3 ай бұрын

    Keep repeating the demoralisation propaganda that has been carefully fed to you.

  • @noobfarming2165
    @noobfarming216510 ай бұрын

    The most concerning thing for me isn’t outflow vs inflow. It’s the experience that is leaving, and certainly in the engineering trade, that cannot be replaced by any amount of recruitment. We simply can’t convince people to stay in as long as they used to. Those 20 year+ personnel are the foundation the armed forces are built on and it is eroding.

  • @alanfrost4661

    @alanfrost4661

    4 ай бұрын

    Nobody does 20 years you get your p45 when the Westministan crowd over spend on some aid programme

  • @Slysynax

    @Slysynax

    4 ай бұрын

    Because pay isn't in line with being a civi I served in the signals for 4 years and nearly doubled my pay as a civi after only 4 years of serving. I can only imagine what other people of more experience might get offered pay wise

  • @Mantelar

    @Mantelar

    Ай бұрын

    The administratum of almost all militaries chase away combat veterans during periods of relative peace. US military is designed to do it without any effort.

  • @Anon28274
    @Anon282748 ай бұрын

    In an engineering trade the main issue is pay comparative to work load; In a civvy job you get paid for the work you do. Overtime exists. You also wouldn’t be told to go do a mechanic’s job if you’re an electrician, or forced to attend social events, parades, exercises, appointments etc. The work outside the forces is difficult but the massive increase in pay and freedom makes it worth the effort.

  • @johnydangerous4597
    @johnydangerous4597 Жыл бұрын

    Fighting for a regime that hates you i dont think so .

  • @WillHoward2002

    @WillHoward2002

    Жыл бұрын

    So what do we do if another country attacks us? Yes they don't really care about us but if you are responsible with what you learn you can have a good life when leaving.

  • @johnydangerous4597

    @johnydangerous4597

    Жыл бұрын

    @@WillHoward2002 Weapons of mass destruction have you found them yet ? Or you going to bomb another country to find them lol the bankers who start all the wars control the world operate out of this country so its unlikely .

  • @johnydangerous4597

    @johnydangerous4597

    Жыл бұрын

    @@WillHoward2002 War is a racket by Smedley D. Butler says it all .

  • @stevenhull5025

    @stevenhull5025

    7 ай бұрын

    Maybe some military realise they are not fighting for king and country like my grandfather did in the Somme but greedy corporations. Who wants to put their life on the line to enrich the elite?

  • @zzzo4509

    @zzzo4509

    6 ай бұрын

    ​@@johnydangerous4597straight from the horses mouth bravo

  • @samellis2904
    @samellis29048 ай бұрын

    Pay is inadequate simply being if you don’t live on camp your travelling home every weekend, your buying fuel, food when your in camp and when you get back home.

  • @joshb9075

    @joshb9075

    5 ай бұрын

    The state of the accommodation on camp is disgusting. No wonder blokes go home every weekend.

  • @bullet-catcherhohoho250
    @bullet-catcherhohoho250 Жыл бұрын

    I was in the army in the mid 80s early 90s and the turn over rate at the time was around 86%. At that time you only had to do 3 years. Pay was not a thing that anyone considered when they joined at the time. Though it was not a lot. There were not any opportunities to do any training, with one excuse of not having enough troops to allow anyone to be away from camp. We never even had any adventurous training. Not sure if it is the same today, but the 3 Bs ruled. Bullying was a big thing and Boredom. When i left i felt so free, did struggle at first, had no where to live and trying to get a job, being ex army at the time did not open any doors.

  • @kellishero

    @kellishero

    Жыл бұрын

    I served around the same time, and your right about the bullying. I didn't suffer any but I did see it. The worst part is that some of it was encouraged by those in charge, that really peed me off, and why I left after 6yrs. I doubt its much better now.

  • @user-ig5is8dl8q

    @user-ig5is8dl8q

    Жыл бұрын

    Shocking how they treated our lads. And then had the bare face cheek to lie about it.

  • @latscott
    @latscott10 ай бұрын

    As a Soldier who served in the 1980s-1990s, I often ask myself if I would join up now. The answer is no as the military has over the years been reduced in size by consecutive Political Governments cutting it back to the bone but is still asked to do tasks that put severe stress and workloads on the individual squaddie. In my day the Rhine Army BAOR boasted 4 Armoured Divisions and 3 further Infantry Brigades in the UK with Just under 1,000 Main battle tanks (Chieftain). I hear that the Army has approximately 100 now which isn't something to boast about as numbers count... The army was 300,000 strong and is now 70,000 again creating logistical and manpower, plus equipment issues. The military is governed by the WOKE Brigade which further reduces its effectiveness against a foo. There is little or no help provided for Veterans moving into Civy Street with Immigrants getting more help. It is also true that the Country in which I was proud to put my life on the line isn't the same Country and doesn't aspire to the same values. Today's values are what can I get out of society whilst not putting anything back into society whilst everyone needs to respect my feelings and gender.

  • @gingernutpreacher

    @gingernutpreacher

    8 ай бұрын

    I worked with someone who served his maximum term 22 year's what ever day's ( a Sargent for some of it )he did say what regiment he served but I forget. But what got me is he spoke well of leadership except officers he said they always laffed when a officer was injured or the rare occurrence they were killed mostly on training and would take the piss out them at there funeral and hit any one talking positively about them was this normal?

  • @johnlawson4605

    @johnlawson4605

    2 ай бұрын

    Correct, back in the day BAOR was bigger, but was it better, watch out for the old smoke and mirrors, the illusionists stand byes. When push came to shove, Op Granby, I spent most of my time before deployment, running round like a blue arsed fly stripping power packs, final drives, and suspension units of our Challenger fleet, this was also done for several other "battle winning" equipment's. Out of the 3 Divisions we couldn't put together a full square brigade then after another political decision we squeezed out a small division of two brigades, of which all Regiments involved were massively understrength and had to be supplemented by by taking company's, squadrons and batteries from other formations. This all came about because when vehicle stats were pushed up to Bde and then Div and then Corps the answer was always "we have full availably" but really we didn't, in fact if we had 50% we were either very lucky or even lying again. Why do you think armoured regiments only sent two squadrons to the ranges at any one time? It's because the other two squadrons were used for spares. Twas ever thus!

  • @noodles632
    @noodles632 Жыл бұрын

    I signed off on 5th April this year and by the time I come to leave next April, I will have served just over 23 years. My four primary reasons for handing my notice in are 1). My spouse's career, 2). Overworked and little to no work life balance, 3). Wanting to settle in one area, and 4). Career opportunities outside the Armed Forces. I'm extremely proud of what I've achieved throughout my career and I in no way feel bitter/disgruntled towards the organisation. I believe that we are (still) well paid, especially when you take things like the X factor, free medical & dental treatment, non-contributory pension scheme and subsidised food & accommodation into consideration.

  • @thesavvysquaddie

    @thesavvysquaddie

    Жыл бұрын

    Career opportunities outside the Armed Forces are very good. And especially as you've done a good ol' stint, you will have many skills, experiences and some quals which should lend very handy in getting you into those well paid jobs. Guys serving for a short period though thinking they will leave and be on tonnes of money when they haven't gained all that you have, which comes with time served, are somewhat disillusioned.

  • @Prometheus7272

    @Prometheus7272

    5 ай бұрын

    ​@@thesavvysquaddieIn terms of those high paying career opportunities what are they?

  • @jackpilkington6770
    @jackpilkington67708 ай бұрын

    Cracking video mate, very useful for someone like me joining the service.

  • @StickMonkey
    @StickMonkey Жыл бұрын

    Good content, it doesn't help we are understaffed and underpaid, with years of below inflation matching pay.

  • @thesavvysquaddie

    @thesavvysquaddie

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks, glad you like it.

  • @WillHoward2002

    @WillHoward2002

    Жыл бұрын

    The pay is still far better than it used to be. My dad got 11k while he was in the Gulf war, nowadays a private gets 21k it's not great but it's a big improvement.

  • @kieransmith5374

    @kieransmith5374

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@WillHoward200211k in 1991 has about the spending power of 24k today.

  • @ancientmachine9070

    @ancientmachine9070

    Жыл бұрын

    @@kieransmith5374 yeah plus retention bonus and tours

  • @kieransmith5374

    @kieransmith5374

    Жыл бұрын

    @@ancientmachine9070 it still annoys me how they got rid of the commitment bonus for personnel who were already on it. I had to take my 6 instead of my 8 and lost out massively.

  • @OldhamSteve52
    @OldhamSteve523 ай бұрын

    I was a single soldier in 78. In those days food and accommodation was taken out of your pay. These days, it’s pay as you dine. I don’t think the quality of the food is the same, plus expensive.

  • @commandingjudgedredd1841

    @commandingjudgedredd1841

    Ай бұрын

    As an ex MoD civvie who worked in the catering side of things and now working under the contractors, it really has gone to sh*t. They mended something that wasn't broken, and those that wanted it introduced, were on their way out of the forces.

  • @jackpilkington6770
    @jackpilkington67708 ай бұрын

    Would love to see a video on your career on the army. That would be great and no doubt very insightful.

  • @bennybenoit754
    @bennybenoit754 Жыл бұрын

    Great work mate. Very well done and a very mature perspective.keep it up please.

  • @thesavvysquaddie

    @thesavvysquaddie

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks, will do!

  • @jamiecroft9248
    @jamiecroft9248Ай бұрын

    I absolutely love this, I like how you come across with valid points backed by factual statistics. I left last year due to career stagnation and just felt I wasn’t going anywhere in personal development and now, just last week I passed out as a firefighter. But my advice to anyone make sure you way up all the pro’s and cons and do your research and on civi street nothing is guaranteed.

  • @StupidIsTheNorm
    @StupidIsTheNorm5 ай бұрын

    Great video mate. Very balanced. I left after 12 years and didn’t find a solution until I was 57

  • @SleepyBear25
    @SleepyBear25 Жыл бұрын

    as a single person living in the block i think the pay is good per month however i think it can be lower than expected if you take into account a hours and civillian wage comparrison, for example as a fresh level 3 avionics techie is on about 28k and I know alot of people as av techies do alot of 12/14 hour shifts regularly either away from home or abroard + doing guard shifts and military tests to pass every year etc compared to that of a level 3 civie av fitter job that I was also looking at which are on base rate of 35k a year and are most likely just doing regular 9-5 shifts and get to go home everyday + no guard on weekends, extra yearly courses etc. so i think the money is good but i can see why young people either don't want to join or people want to leave for that extra money with better life balance and freedom. but you are correct I feel like I have always been good with the wages we get paid to balance saving money with going out and doing fun stuff in my free time but i do know alot of the young new guys sometimes struggle month to month as they don't have much of a budget or spend money on stupid things they don't really need but think that they do. I think part of it is also qualifications some jobs in the military either don't give you the proper civie qualifications people are looking for or sometimes don't give you any decent q's at all. yes you can apply for things on the side but it is dependant on what your learning centre can provid/ approve and fund. Ive deffo heard of people leaving because they asked to go to a local uni 2 days a week while they do a degree and they left the army because they said no so now the army has lost a good techie all because they couldn't let this guy do some studying. I know civie friends who have more bills than me but also get paid alot more and get to go home alot more than me so the temptation is always there to find a better higher paying job with less stress.

  • @thesavvysquaddie

    @thesavvysquaddie

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for sharing your perspective and point of view.

  • @RB-cs5dw
    @RB-cs5dw Жыл бұрын

    I'm not sure if it's true but I read that army is going woke doesn't help the situation. The other day in London underground I saw a women is being praised for being 1st Pakistani and a Muslim women to become something, who gives a shit. My view is she has been pushed to that position exactly because she is Pakistani and a Muslim woman

  • @robertcuminale1212
    @robertcuminale12128 ай бұрын

    I was in the US Navy from 1971 until 1975. The pay at the time was terribly low. It included a tax free allowance for quarters which you forfeited if you lived on base in either the barracks or in married personnel housing. There was also a tax free stipend for rations which was forfeited if you lived in the barracks. That money provided the galley with operating funds to provide our meals. After two years you received a uniform allowance so you could replace worn out clothing. That too was tax free. All told, counting the salary and stipends I was making about $200 a month gross. After taxes I had about $80 a month. Cigarettes and liquor sucked most of that up. They were untaxed and cheap but I was drinking a lot in that time. A digression? I quit drinking about a year later. Someone had re-enlisted and put enough of his bonus on the bar that drinks were free all night. It was the day before pay day (the eagle shits) and drinks were half price and I was drinking doubles. I don't know when but I passed out. Someone had dragged me into the head and laid me down on my stomach so I wouldn't choke on my vomit. I sat up and looked around and I thought my surroundings were a metaphor of my life, in the toilet. I stopped drinking for a few years after that. The second year I was in the pay scales had been rearranged. My pay was doubled. That and my discontinued drinking meant I had enough money to go to town and eat at a restaurant on Saturdays. I had also gotten married. We lived off base and my quarters allowance paid the rent. Despite the language barrier my wife found a job and we paid before I was drafted. I was now at 6 years seniority and was receiving Journeyman's pay. I'd added to my skills during my four years enlistment and was a better technician. If I hadn't had that job to return to I probably would have stayed in the Navy. The country was in a recession and there were no jobs to be had. Interest rates on mortgages had risen from 5% to 17% in my absence. We found an old house that had been burned and restored and was on a dirt road. It wasn't much but it was better than paying rent. We also had a new baby. We'd waited five years until we were out of the Navy and had a house. In 1985 I was redundant and laid off. We were frugal people and I was able to start a business with our savings. I'd learned a lot in the Navy and the skills came in handy. I was in a small public works department and though I was a Construction Electrician 2nd class I'd worked on a lot of things that weren't electrical. All this complaining about the pay is subjective reasoning. It's all about your priorities and where you spend your money and what on. My wife and I grew up poor. I was the oldest of 8 children and she was the oldest of five. We wanted out of that life and that was our priority.

  • @55ablebof

    @55ablebof

    3 ай бұрын

    A life well lived with the wisdom that comes with age.

  • @foreignermakingmoney-phili1458
    @foreignermakingmoney-phili145810 ай бұрын

    What RLC trade are you? Is it transferable to civee street. You was wise to only do a short time in a Armoured Regt, like the Infantry or Para's - do it for the experience for a short time and swiftly get out of it into a trade which is higher paid and with more transferable skills. Excellent channel. Not much use to me in my stage of life but gold for young Toms who have just joined. You are right. The day you join is the day you should be planning your leaving of the service. Hopefully alot better and more employerable in civee street.

  • @Sophyx93
    @Sophyx933 ай бұрын

    Ive just left the raf due to pay. I had to wait 4 months for my first months wages. If not for my savings id have been in debt. I feel deeply let down by the services and they admitted they have a few leave from not getting paid for months. I'm back at one of my old jobs and now looking for more work. I gave everything up for nothing.

  • @TheJon2442
    @TheJon244211 ай бұрын

    An excellent balanced briefing. Oh, I served a few years (76-19)... Pte to LE captain... I hope you become the command Sgt Maj before you are commissioned...

  • @wisdomlettu

    @wisdomlettu

    9 ай бұрын

    I have applied from the Commonwealth as well. I really want to join

  • @tommo9757
    @tommo97575 ай бұрын

    Sorry, but I've come across this rather late. I would just like to thank all the contributors who have served and still serve. Thank you for your service - some of us appreciate it 👍

  • @Theaggressivesalad
    @Theaggressivesalad5 ай бұрын

    I begin termination leave in 3 weeks. Its a significant chunk of your video, but pay is far from the main driver for me going. My main reasons for going are not doing my trade, no prospect of any decent deployments and I'm just generally sick of sitting around doing nothing but menial jobs (like mounting TV's on walls) in a remote shithole half a country away from home. There's also some absolute numpties in the CoC who are clearly only there as they had no one else left to promote. I don't regret my time in the Army at all. But, I can not continue to put literally every other part of my life on hold for it if that's all that's on the menu.

  • @daveowen7372
    @daveowen7372 Жыл бұрын

    Again, great content mate 👍

  • @thesavvysquaddie

    @thesavvysquaddie

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks, appreciate it

  • @ianc64
    @ianc64 Жыл бұрын

    I left the Army in 2004 as a higher band level 7 WO1 and think I was on just over £40k (good money then), thing have changed in the forces and rightly so, but things have changed in Civiy street as well, I can tell you if I wanted to earn the same amount of money (disposable income) as I had in the forces I would need 50% more money at least, in my opinion the only people payed poorly compared to civilian street (1990's - 2000's) is the senior Lt/ Junior Capt area. Poor leadership was always an issue for me with poor Capt's and Maj some were just bad leaders with poor personal standards, But I can always look back at my actions with my young soldiers and reflect on my own actions and I could have done more on occasions, but that is life, making the mistakes I made were learning curves, the same as it is in the civilian world. I spent the first part of my carrier spending all my money and time on having a good time, if I had used the opportunity's available to me I could have improved my education and prospects in later life, a life lesson.

  • @thesavvysquaddie

    @thesavvysquaddie

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for your perspective and insight.

  • @foreignermakingmoney-phili1458
    @foreignermakingmoney-phili145810 ай бұрын

    I did better leaving the regs after 8 years and going into the reserves. Got the best of both worlds plus extra pay, civee and reserves. Did well in the reserves and went up the ranks fast as it was a technical trade which complimented my new civee career. Took all the reserves and my civee career educational opportunities and now done well for myself without all the good advice out there like your excellent information and arguments. The infomation and networking was not there at the time

  • @TobiasEllison
    @TobiasEllison Жыл бұрын

    Could you do a video on the transition from regular service to full time reserve service?

  • @matthaeus_jacomus

    @matthaeus_jacomus

    Жыл бұрын

    Get out, join reserves, search career management portal for FTRS jobs??

  • @michaelmckiernan1760
    @michaelmckiernan1760 Жыл бұрын

    From my experience I wouldn’t say it’s to do with pay and being overworked i actually think the armed forces has gone boring post covid when you’re in work u sit around in a restroom for about 6 hours a day waiting to be told to do something or to knock off its sounds good doing nothing but it’s really not really effect your head mentally and I think the COC could act on this a lot better than what they do

  • @ieatoutoften872
    @ieatoutoften8727 ай бұрын

    As a person born, and raised in the U.S.A., I fear that, relative to the U.S. Army, the U.K. soldiers (especially enlisted men) are not promoted as fast as they should be promoted. For example, I believe the average Private or Corporal in the U.S. Army is promoted twice as fast as the average Private or Corporal in the Royal Army. I do not think low pay, relative to other jobs in the U.K., is the primary problem.

  • @Laser82
    @Laser8211 ай бұрын

    People are disillusioned with the stagnating pay and 12y of pay restraint and freezes. This has caused many families to breakdown in my unit. Many standing retention tools are for the few not the many and have been cut or very eroded. Pensions are diabolical as people are now promoting much slower, lowering their career average pay and in turn affecting the pension. This causes resentment.

  • @PeteB90
    @PeteB90 Жыл бұрын

    Not sure if you mentioned it in the previous video or not, but I am curious what unit did you transfer into? You don't hear about many success transfer stories. From my experience people who are not happy in their job prefer to just leave the Army than look at a transfer.

  • @thesavvysquaddie

    @thesavvysquaddie

    Жыл бұрын

    I transferred from a Challenger 2 regiment into a trade within with RLC. I enjoyed my time in my old unit but it was limited and not many transferable skills.

  • @StickMonkey

    @StickMonkey

    Жыл бұрын

    I've transferred from the Army to the RAF into a SNCO aircrew role and it was all very smooth, just time consuming.

  • @PeteB90

    @PeteB90

    Жыл бұрын

    @@StickMonkey Was it worth it?

  • @darrenlane3168
    @darrenlane3168Ай бұрын

    There are lots of excellent points here. I served in 3 Para 89-95. It was a very different army then, bullying was rife, most of it passed me by, but not all. I'd not recommend teeth arms unless you want to go for SF. Looking back, a trade or transferrable skill is the way to go. Somebody commented on the more significant opportunities offered in the RN; my son has friends in the RAF, and it seems either option is better than the army. Mind you, I've been a security contractor for 20 years now, so I got something out of the reg. 😂

  • @dmid1274
    @dmid127411 ай бұрын

    Military are in reality on call 24hrs a day 7 days a week and in that sense are we getting paid enough? We can’t strike so we have to get what we are given yet backfill every other sector when they’re unhappy, yet more work we are loaded with. We are far overworked, we still have the same work load and commitments as we did 10yrs ago as a force of over 100,000 strong

  • @charley6962
    @charley696211 ай бұрын

    take into account having to drive 300 miles every weekend to get home that is a massive lump of your income every month not everyone wants to sit in the block

  • @johnrambo99999
    @johnrambo99999Ай бұрын

    Work vs pay should be compared to previous generations. We currently have the lowest numbers of armed forces personell since records began, but with either the same or increased output. Those who are serving and are taking up the slack of those leaving should be better paid.

  • @dap3023
    @dap30235 ай бұрын

    Pay as you dine (PAYD). Gen Z won’t remember Daily messing rate (DMR) however it was SO much better in all regards, especially in the mess. MOD civil service have a lot to answer for.

  • @kylesheehan7217
    @kylesheehan72178 ай бұрын

    I will add im a paramedic the milatry wasn't even paying me 30k, civi Street is more 40-45k plus, so appreciate there's others without that luxury

  • @Charleyoco
    @Charleyoco Жыл бұрын

    I’ve watched a lot of your videos and I always hear you say a “full career” but I would just like you to clarify what is a full career please. How many years of service means you’ve done a full career? And I’m assuming you can do more than the minimum years required to have a “full army career”

  • @thesavvysquaddie

    @thesavvysquaddie

    Жыл бұрын

    Its different in each service. RAF can serve a lot longer than the Army. Generally speaking, a full career in the Army is 22 years. This can be extended to 24 years and in some circumstances you can be extended beyond that if you are very niche. So, when I refer to a full career, I mean serving 22 years in the Army. Hope that helps clarify.

  • @Charleyoco

    @Charleyoco

    Жыл бұрын

    @@thesavvysquaddie thanks

  • @ghjgbnhjjghjthknvf6379
    @ghjgbnhjjghjthknvf637911 ай бұрын

    The benefits of joining and staying in the military now days are not there. It personally costs a lot to be in the military, the salary is not great to start with, but this is compounded by the requirement for even the lowest paid member of the armed forces needing to pay towards their food and accommodation, so your not going to be able to save up much while your in. Then this is made worse by the quality of the militarys housing and food, especially for single individuals. Family accommodation is often not great and your then having to buy all your own food. In the now distant past meals and accommodation were free, young guys could join the military save a lot of their salary have a unique adventure for 5 years, this time is sadly now over. Additionally, in the military you will be treated like a child (more or less depending on location, service etc). You are in the military you may be placed in dangerous life threatening situations for a monthly salary and benefits that are worse than many working for your local council. I'd have to tell any young guy to not join these days, unless they have no other options of they are doing it for the experience and they have a solid exit strategy. Also, the pension is not what it once was. But at the end of the day it is a personal decision.

  • @billpalmer2381
    @billpalmer23813 ай бұрын

    ALL OF THE ABOVE and the boat people arriving in droves being better treated and housed than the squaddies' and there family's half of THEM WE WHERE FIGHTING NOT SO LONG AGO A LIVE AND WELL IN LARGE PARTS OF THE LARGER CITYS NOW CONTROLED BY THEM !.

  • @mikeywade85
    @mikeywade855 ай бұрын

    The money is shit for what you do. You can kick a ball for more at your local club

  • @AndroidDevViral
    @AndroidDevViral11 ай бұрын

    Wow this feels like a DLE course!

  • @thesavvysquaddie

    @thesavvysquaddie

    11 ай бұрын

    😂😂 that's one way to put it

  • @Aaron-ww7ks
    @Aaron-ww7ks10 ай бұрын

    I transferred from the British Army to the RN. After serving 15 years. I was fed up, disgruntled and very annoyed with my career and the way I was managed. I couldn’t even get a posting after 5 years after being extended at a certain regiment. I saw people promoted who cheated, lied and couldn’t pass fitness tests whilst I was constantly being sent away on exercise, so thought screw this why would I represent and continue doing something when nothing is working out, that is the definition of insanity. Facts proved you were better off being downgraded than fully fit and deployable. Service complaints in. But nothing will change. All I can say is, it was worth it! I would not recommend the British Army at all now that I have seen how the RN operates. It’s more compliant with policy rules and regulations, it’s sailors are better educated and it pays more. It’s a shame as I wanted a full career which is rare nowadays. I don’t have kids I’m not married. There’s too many people playing the system quite frankly especially the welfare card. I understand you have to look after your military but quite frankly too many good people are leaving. I still believe the pay is worth joining for, I wouldn’t be where I am with several houses without the military. The pension although it has changed is still worth it, the leave is great and I’ve had some right holidays (5 weeks skiiing yes please!) overseas postings go on then! But as mentioned above that’s the reason why I transferred. It’s a shame and some people have brilliant careers and others don’t, it depends on your chain of command and what units your go to in my experience. It’s a real shame it is in the state it is…. Although like most things military it’s self inflicted.

  • @thesavvysquaddie

    @thesavvysquaddie

    10 ай бұрын

    Thanks for the comment. There are many things the Army gets wrong and the wider MOD. Hopefully they will implement most of the recommendations made in the Haythornthwaite review which will definitely counter the laggards that steal a wage.

  • @danielnoller2714
    @danielnoller27145 ай бұрын

    Sorry to say also chain of command rarely listerning and even so even if they do it there way or highway unfortunately and chance to prove yourself so get promoted

  • @zakgoodnan9294
    @zakgoodnan9294 Жыл бұрын

    Military pay needs to be relevant to job makes no sense for a driver to be payed the same as a technician.

  • @thesavvysquaddie

    @thesavvysquaddie

    Жыл бұрын

    There are supplement levels with regards to pay. There are 4 levels in total, 4 being the highest paid. The more technical the job, the higher the level. So two people of the same rank will be on different rates of pay if one is a driver (supp 1) and the other is an Army Air Corps pilot (supp 4).

  • @2036scott

    @2036scott

    Жыл бұрын

    @@thesavvysquaddie Engineers had a sup pay band change around, no consultation, just changed on the whim a few years ago, I found out by the CO when on exercise in Canada. Since then, I have been moved from sup 3 to sup 1, when promoting you get a tiny increase for more bullshit, although I have had fun, I can't wait for my next 9 Years to be over. Not forgetting the increase in work load, always needing to make everything work because no one will let it fail. I joined at 23, I worked in Civvy street before and earned more than I still do now, I just didn't enjoy the job, if the person is willing to work, you can earn loads in Civvy street. Remember, it's not always about the money.

  • @williamg9527
    @williamg9527 Жыл бұрын

    so Would you say a life in the armed forces is better suited to young people who are single? Also are you familiar with the RFA

  • @thesavvysquaddie

    @thesavvysquaddie

    Жыл бұрын

    Perhaps to a degree it is better suited but it would be a lonely life if you did a whole career as a single person. I think it just comes to quite a shock to people who start out single and have lots of disposable income to then starting a family and seeing that all disappear. Whilst I've heard of the RFA. I don't really know anything about them I'm afraid

  • @ThatguyGears

    @ThatguyGears

    Жыл бұрын

    What about the RFA?

  • @jasonaris5316

    @jasonaris5316

    Ай бұрын

    Can’t really include RFA (as these are merchant seamen under contract to MOD(N) so are in a completely different position to the regular services)

  • @rossum18
    @rossum18Ай бұрын

    I think army pay is decent... The issue is you don't feel valued. You could work 4hrs or 14hrs and you get paid the same. If they had OT like other European armies you would be happy to do the extra work. Also doesn't help that the army is smaller than ever and doing more work. So people are constantly away. The attitude of tough luck you signed the dotted line is too old school and they need to get with the times. Things need done at short notice. Pay the men to do it then

  • @CHRISANDREOU4199
    @CHRISANDREOU4199Ай бұрын

    Because we no longer have a country to fight for

  • @ieatoutoften872
    @ieatoutoften8727 ай бұрын

    At the end of the 5th grade (the era of President Ronald Reagan), several classmates and I earned a "Presidential Fitness Award". That gave us the confidence that we could survive and thrive as enlisted men / women in the U.S. military. That simple physical fitness program apparently ended in 1980. As a result, I think the follow-on generations in the U.S.A. fear that they would fail U.S. military basic training. I am saying all these irrelevant words because I think that the U.K. needs to award 11 year-olds a congratulations on parchment paper for passing a few, simple, physical fitness tests. You could call it the "Prime Minister's Fitness Award". Aside: I think the faltering U.S.A. needs to reinstate the program. To receive the award, the 11 year-old would have to run 1.6 kilometers at a speed slightly faster than a casual walk; do 10 pushups in one set; get across (traverse) 1.5 meters of overhead, horizontal, ladder bars (hanging by the hands) one bar at a time. The bars are spaced about as far apart as the steps on a ladder. Alternatively, the child could be required to do a "kip" which is to hold a long horizontal bar with both hands (like the lower bar of the "uneven bars" in women's gymnastics), lean back hard without letting go, swing the legs on the other side of the bar without letting go, and then rotate the legs upward so the feet are overhead without letting go (like learning to spin over a long horizontal bar).

  • @royupton2031
    @royupton203123 күн бұрын

    Could it have something to do with shit pay & shocking living conditions

  • @dandojambo1176
    @dandojambo11764 ай бұрын

    Instead of giving high value robbers jail sentences offer service in the military, these types of people have the ability to pull off well coordinated jobs and get away with it, only ever getting caught due to greed, special forces are full of similar people just on different sides of the coin🤔🧐

  • @abdulrahman31350
    @abdulrahman31350 Жыл бұрын

    For me. It was pay and pension

  • @TheJon2442
    @TheJon244211 ай бұрын

    Sadly outsourcing to Capita never helped. The timeframe from interest to starting training, far too long. People turning up totally unprepared for training and not having their mum's to look after them. Bring back proper recruitment. The pay is not bad for the skill level. Sadly the army is becoming a Monday to mid day Friday job, not a career. Not good for the single personnel. Too often people are promoted on time served. Don't bother to get to know their soldiers etc. Are bad leaders and just doing their time! The MOD woke culture is not helping. Especially the annual on line diversity indoctrination courses. Promotion brings a lot of responsibility, often without influence or input to ensure.... The right person, right training, right position........

  • @zzzo4509
    @zzzo45096 ай бұрын

    Ill be honest people in prison and on benefits can get more than someone risking they're life for banks and politicians aka the armed forces

  • @beefsuprem0241
    @beefsuprem0241 Жыл бұрын

    Pay was never an issue for anyone when i served. It was poor leadership, last minute nonsense, terrible accommodation and so on. The Army really needs to change its attitude to its personal. I spent a large part of my career in Tri-service environments and the way the RAF and Navy treat and look after their people is light years away from the Army. In Army units i served my SNCOs and Officers had one priority, getting themselves promoted amd occasionally do their day job. Rare to find any that cared or delt with people's issues properly or managed effectively. Personally left after just getting blasted on tour so often and missing out on family events and such. I had 1400 ish LSSA days i think when i left as a SGT.

  • @topp0009
    @topp00093 ай бұрын

    made there family's live in squalla, den sed dey downgrading ure housing 2 flats wives pissed den leave

  • @fireman3857
    @fireman38574 ай бұрын

    I'm an ex South African fireman, nearly 20 years service in various roles. I recently applied for Airforce fire fighter, and they are adamant that I must have highschool maths 😂😂😂😂. Oh well guess the military needs maths more than capable men with nearly two decades of experience and knowledge. Ridiculous. And they were like "why don't you run some extra classes?" Because my brain is full of rescue techniques, the science of fire, fire equipment, paramedic protocols, hazmat protocols, extrication and the hundreds of real emergencies I dealt with that I draw experience from. But hey atleast your pilots will know that when the shit hits the fan and they are trapped in a burning plane, that the three new recruits can add and subtract 😂

  • @HankD13
    @HankD133 ай бұрын

    DEI, the patriarchy, institutional racism, CRT and rewriting of British history to pander to all minorities would make me advise any young person to stay well away. I was a soldier of the 70's and 80's and at that time would have recommended it. Pay was rubbish when I joined, but improved (thanks Maggie) and the lifestyle was great - and my pay was basically my pocket money - single and living in the block! The amount of paid leave was ridiculous - hard change when in civvy street! I left to backpack around the world - and two year of travel came from my Army savings, easily.

  • @leandrodelmistro2238
    @leandrodelmistro22385 ай бұрын

    I dont know man 2200 a month is great if you single and good at budgeting!

  • @kylesheehan7217
    @kylesheehan72178 ай бұрын

    Also, do your 12 at least guys, that half pension is bloody valuable!

  • @ancientmachine9070
    @ancientmachine9070 Жыл бұрын

    My issue isnt pay its more fighting inflation.

  • @thesavvysquaddie

    @thesavvysquaddie

    Жыл бұрын

    For sure, inflation is a pain and our pay isn't keeping up with it unfortunately but neither is the pay of the private sector. Whilst they might not be fighting as much, it is a problem UK wide faced by everyone.

  • @ancientmachine9070

    @ancientmachine9070

    Жыл бұрын

    @@thesavvysquaddie of course im not leaving the army i travel a lot with the job

  • @WillHoward2002

    @WillHoward2002

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@ancientmachine9070Where have you traveled to? And what job role do you have?

  • @ancientmachine9070

    @ancientmachine9070

    Жыл бұрын

    @@WillHoward2002 Im 5 years in battalion ive been to minimum 2 countries a year, 16 air assault.

  • @jacob79001
    @jacob790013 ай бұрын

    The kind of people who reject the idea of joining the armed forces on the basis of which government are currently in power, are not the kind of people who would ever join the armed forces anyway, unless they're politically militant and view joining as a form of advancing a particular political ideology. As Governments exist to serve the people, the military exists to protect the people. It's not like everyone in the UK armed forces today thinks Rishi is literally to die for.

  • @patshiels5429
    @patshiels54298 ай бұрын

    Poor pay , poor housing , and don’t mention the cook house .

  • @nexus6189
    @nexus61895 ай бұрын

    Multiple reasons. It's become a self licking lolly pop. Way too many officers, junior and senior. Very few reasons for seasoned and experienced SNCOs (backbone of the forces) to remain. A 40+ yr old with 20+ years of experience, 'respectfully' mentoring their 24 yr old, media studies degree boss on how to do things or manage people. No brainer.

  • @kylesheehan7217
    @kylesheehan72178 ай бұрын

    Having no financial commitments does not Indicate greater wealth, having mortgages and pension funds decreases your disposable income but they are solid investments. Personally I'm 10 times better off on civi Street.

  • @ianherd569
    @ianherd5694 ай бұрын

    '65 - '03. None of this is a surprise, you cannot go on treating people like slaves and not expect a back lash! However, a bunch of civilians will decide

  • @guerillagardener2237
    @guerillagardener22374 ай бұрын

    You need to take into account the rising cost of living In all of this. Wages need to be adjusted for inflation.

  • @thesavvysquaddie

    @thesavvysquaddie

    4 ай бұрын

    Sounds great in theory and something many of us could get behind, but how would it be implemented in practice? Military is getting smaller, budget is getting smaller. Is the government going to raise taxes just so the public sector can have annual pay increase in line with inflation each year? Often the pay rises come from the already allocated budget which means cuts to other things. So it's a fine balance.

  • @guerillagardener2237

    @guerillagardener2237

    4 ай бұрын

    @@thesavvysquaddie It is a simple equation, get rid of privateers in the defence of England.

  • @ianc64
    @ianc64 Жыл бұрын

    The Savvy Squaddie, One more point I forgot to add, As I said I left as a single WO1 on max pay, even as a WO1 I liked to party, I had great watches, nice clothes and great cars but I did have a house which I brought in 1995 and rented out and I had other earnings through a small business, but more importantly I had very little is savings. Yes I got a good terminal grant which enabled me to get a better house, one thing I did after I left the ARMY is I started investing in an ISA's and shares, I see from your channel you do have videos dedicated to them, but push them further, I have a great portfolio now, but how comfortable would I be I started investing a little when I was a fresh faced Pte, Just £50 or £100 per month will make a huge difference in 20 years time, in 1982 as a 17 year old I thought I was invincible and thought I would always would have time to earn money for the future, but time goes quickly. Oh and top tip, get a prenup to protect your investment if you get married not very romantic but you never know!

  • @oldmanoftheshells
    @oldmanoftheshells Жыл бұрын

    Much of this is common sense advice in all walks of life, could do with this in schools.

  • @thesavvysquaddie

    @thesavvysquaddie

    Жыл бұрын

    I agree, this could really benefit everyone if it was taught in school. Sadly it's not though.

  • @user-ry6fu1kz3i
    @user-ry6fu1kz3i5 ай бұрын

    Decent video, thought the wake up call about perspective in terms of finances was good. I agree that the discover my benefits is helpful. Pension is good agreed. The experience of flexible working hours and ability to take advantage of the incentives does vary a lot between trades and services. -Living in the block is rough if you joined a little later and are not in your early 20's. I don't think it should be understated how bad it actually is not being able to cook and living in a corridor of introverted gamers. -You really lost me at the "go woke go broke" right wing culture war crap at the end though which was a shame. I think keep the politics out of it as it hurts your points. Maybe stick to the financial advice. I hear enough of this "I can't say anything anymore" crap at work because people get push back from being ignorant bigots. Ramaswamy is a conspiracy theorist.

  • @MakeBritainGreatAgain007
    @MakeBritainGreatAgain007 Жыл бұрын

    Why fight for a nation that’s falling ! The can ask there Islamic friends to sign up ! I’d rather fight for Russia than my own nation as I know I’ll be hated and disrespect !

  • @Cloudman572

    @Cloudman572

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the insight- it says alot.

  • @MakeBritainGreatAgain007

    @MakeBritainGreatAgain007

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Cloudman572 it’s horrible to say as we were a proud nation ! Our men we lost was sickening ! 2 illegal wars and nothing but a full invasion of our shores ! We are a finished nation unless we stop this !

  • @wormwood6424

    @wormwood6424

    2 ай бұрын

    Brilliantly said

  • @danielnoller2714
    @danielnoller27145 ай бұрын

    And you only get pension if you done 12years at least

  • @thesavvysquaddie

    @thesavvysquaddie

    5 ай бұрын

    That's incorrect. I don't know where you've heard that but as long as you've completed at least 2 years qualifying service you are entitled to a pension. I'd recommend watching my pension videos to learn more.

  • @danielnoller2714

    @danielnoller2714

    5 ай бұрын

    @thesavvysquaddie thank will do

  • @michaelstephanides1854
    @michaelstephanides18543 ай бұрын

    I'll give you one major reason. After 22 years in Afghanistan, after all the expense and sacrifice we left it armed with billions of pounds worth of NATO equipment, without so much as a rear wood glance. Showing the whole shit show was a waste of effing time and that the soldiers efforts and sacrifice was worth nothing and we were all getting played. THAT'S WHY.

  • @danielnoller2714
    @danielnoller27145 ай бұрын

    Im sorry to say but as private solider to cpl you have no time to rinsed army for education and qualifications unless you injured then you treated like shit for it and you meant to focus on getting better and dont do courses until it suits army and not you

  • @jonesyjones7626
    @jonesyjones7626Ай бұрын

    This is due in no small part to the woke DE&I initiatives. Quotas and gender and racial targets undermine motivation and create a bad atmosphere.

  • @ianbrown7089
    @ianbrown7089Ай бұрын

    Really ! What level headed person wants to fight for sunak and Cameron ?????? And end up like the Ukrainians ! No ways hoysays ! Lol

  • @TheCristinelo
    @TheCristinelo8 ай бұрын

    liberals?

  • @Tiger25149489
    @Tiger25149489 Жыл бұрын

    Agreed resettlement does start when you join. However getting some PD done in the infantry is extremely difficult due to the work commitments. FYI- I know blokes that have made it to Capt licking arseholes

  • @KarinaForte-qh2qt
    @KarinaForte-qh2qt3 ай бұрын

    Stopwats .lessmoneyfor weapons ..more money for housing