What if wrestling isn't a work? What if we have been getting worked by being tricked that it's preditermined? Wrestling being a work... is a work.

@sandeater4580

7 жыл бұрын

Hold this W

@shadestone

7 жыл бұрын

The first thing I think about when I think, what if wrestling was real, is about half the roster breaking they neck on real ddts tombstones and power bombs every single night.

@Ticketman99

5 жыл бұрын

I'm from the future. Bullshit.

@Bobcat205

3 жыл бұрын

Workception.

@geezy458

3 жыл бұрын

Worked yourself in to a shoot brother

Only people who have never watched WWE think that people who watch WWE don't know it's fake

@nickarchuleta8001

7 жыл бұрын

It's because people like to think that WWE/pro wrestling is only for kids, women, and the simple minded. It's an idiotic stereotype that won't be going away ever.

@oz_jones

7 жыл бұрын

That's mainly due to the false assumption that companies care about kayfabe anymore.

@gray007nl

7 жыл бұрын

"Women" really? :P

Quite frankly I'm sick of skepticism, I must be the only one that actual attempts to focus on the enjoyable parts of wrestling shows instead of for example rating a show on whether or not a certain wrestler winning. I also agree with the whole idea of not putting wellness policies into storylines, it pretty much lowers the importance of the system and makes it a complete joke.

@ogreenterprises1619

7 жыл бұрын

...but the system IS a joke

@ogreenterprises1619

7 жыл бұрын

The USDA found drugs in Lesnars system during his UFC bullshit yet he's able to go on SummerSlam, take his 3 bumps, and get his 6 figures for a 2 star match...and if the shit he tried to do to Jericho backstage was real than the wellness policy is bullshit

@Shotgungunshot1

7 жыл бұрын

It is bull, but Lesnar isn't subject to the Wellness Policy. He's not a full time wrestler, so the Wellness Policy doesn't apply to him. It's absolutely terrible that he doesn't have to comply with the policy, but that's why he hasn't gotten in trouble, because WWE doesn't want their favorite guy in trouble so they pretend he just didn't do anything wrong...

@MoonlightStrider

7 жыл бұрын

Wellness policy should apply to everyone, I don't care if it's full or part time, if you fail it then off you go mate for 30 days or whatever. Vince shouldn't be making exceptions for anyone.

@Shotgungunshot1

7 жыл бұрын

MoonlightStrider I completely agree, I was just adding what loophole they're using to excuse Brock. It SHOULD apply to everyone, but it only applies to full time wrestlers, which is my personal biggest gripe with the damn policy.

when people say wrestling is fake i say so is marvel, dc, walking dead etc. the fact people pick on one thing being fake but justify something else is a little silly sometimes

@mr.otaku2399

7 жыл бұрын

but wrestling aint fake.Its predetermined.

@shadestone

7 жыл бұрын

predetermined to be fake. my point has always been, why does it fucking matter? I'm glad it's fake, MMA proved that without the unrealistic moves and characters, fighting is fucking boring.

@mr.otaku2399

7 жыл бұрын

predetermined isnt fake though.Fake is actors and stuntmen in movies and tv shows. pro wrestling they actually get hit and take shots to the head.The injuries and deaths are REAL and so is the pain and the moves they take.

@davezanko9051

7 жыл бұрын

Mike Leoci I think a big part of that might also be the legacy of kayfabe, and the utter hiding of the worked status for decades, to the point where it might have been considered a fraudulent scam. To this day there's those that consider all wrestling promoters con men, instead of looking at them as theatre producers (which is what they really are).

honestly I don't see it ending......we are in an age where everyone th8nks they know everything and are smarter than everyone else. It gives them an ego boost to say "I knew it all along". and with the Internet and the strong wrestling base it has almost nothing is a surprise anymore and the only thing that shocks fans is when they don't expect the outcome of a match.....

bo Dallas was publicly intoxicated and got a push

@matthewb3635

7 жыл бұрын

Its just the circle of life?

@braydonhall763

7 жыл бұрын

Wasn't his push just so he can be omnomed by Bin Wang?

@isTheMiz

7 жыл бұрын

Bo Dallas was not suspended for getting drunk. He simply took another flight and arrived after the rest. Nothing else.

@TheVortiger

7 жыл бұрын

Vince is a huge fan of lion king.

@jvdhmj

7 жыл бұрын

Who isn't?

Who could ever think that Reigns got a fake suspension to give im a Hero Welcome?, taking Drugs doesnt fit to a Hero.

@Xehanort10

7 жыл бұрын

And why do the people who thought his suspension was a work think that a fake suspension would make people feel sorry for Reigns? He's too arrogant to deserve sympathy anyway.

@Flow_Easy

7 жыл бұрын

Doesn't fit to a hero? 2 words:Jeff Hardy. (Brother Nero)

@adamm4249

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah but 90% of their booking for him doesn't fit a hero. That's why some people were duped, it would have only showed how out of touch and dumb Vince and the writers, which is something many of us already believe and people like to believe things that corroborate what they already think.

@originalchristianvogt

7 жыл бұрын

@John Davis: Jeff Hardy?, have you ever seen his match against Sting at Victory Road 2011 where he was on Drugs. After all the legal problems related to Drugs in various forms and his history of Drug-abuse, he is only a talented performer (when sober) but not a Hero.

@Flow_Easy

7 жыл бұрын

Christian Vogt I was being somewhat sarcastic, but Jeff Nero has been doing the drugsy things and people still loved him. Kids still loved him. Only difference with him and Reigns is Hardy had charisma and he didn't downplay who he was/is.

"Real men having fake fights in their underwear." Al Snow

Like the new set Brian, but honestly I don't think blurring the lines of real and fake is going to end for a long time.

@silver47official

7 жыл бұрын

Brain? Hahahahaha brilliant!

Dude, I had people telling me Enzo's concussion was a work.

Jeff Hardy vs Punk angle was about drugs lol

@primusvsunicron1

7 жыл бұрын

BROTHER NERO!

@gulinp1

7 жыл бұрын

PrimusVsUnicron it was before he fade away and classify himself as obsolete OBSOLETE

@roycebanuelos536

7 жыл бұрын

Great video! I think a large section of fans don't put a lot of thought into it and can just enjoy what they are watching. The IWC can strive to reimburse criticism with positives as well.

@chrismurray8483

7 жыл бұрын

ikr

@F5FURU12

7 жыл бұрын

And the legion of doom hawk story line.

But Mister Wregret, "it has not happened" does not mean "it can't happen". I agree though, a fake wellness suspension would be strange and weird, but it's still Vince McMahon we're talking about...

Hey Zane, just a PSA. The Subscription system got broken by KZread so you should make a video explaining how to make sure we see your videos when they come out. You have to click the Gear Button next to the Subscribe button and click the "All" option so the content creator's videos show up in our sub box. Just saying because KZread is at it again and they are apparently phasing out Subscribing all together and making it harder for us to see some videos. Idk it's a mess. Good video btw!

@manband20

7 жыл бұрын

I only recommend this because nobody knew this happened until about a week ago and a few smaller news channels pointed it out lol

@WrestlingWithWregret

7 жыл бұрын

+manband20 Dammit, now everyone wants to copy the Matt Hardy gimmick.

@darkability1393

7 жыл бұрын

IT'S A DILAPIDATED BOAT!

@justharry2190

7 жыл бұрын

the old subscription system was OBSOLETE!

man I'm on my period and just seeing that you're video has been posted already makes me happy. thank you for calming mood swings lol

Just embrace Lucha Underground levels of kayfabe. They have an alien, a dragon, a vampire, a skeleton, a magic Aztec immortal woman, etc.

@DarthPerkins

7 жыл бұрын

All that I can take, but Joey Ryan as a cop?!

@VampireSaint

7 жыл бұрын

Would it be more believable if he shot an unarmed believer?

@DarthPerkins

7 жыл бұрын

No. As all the Believers are White or Hispanic. Now...if he shot The Mack...

@troyking464

7 жыл бұрын

Don't forget a serial killer possessed by an Aztec God.

@TheLegend-er7dz

7 жыл бұрын

So like the 80s and 90s wwf. Awesome. Can someone tell me more about this organization.

great video BZ but i can't help but be distracted by the back of your head in the reflection off the youtube play button. haha.

The post-it note over Hogan's face on the lunchbox is a very hilarious touch to this video

I think it has a lot to do with people just being more sinical in general. Great video and congratulations on that platinum "play button" you deserve it!

Such a worked video Brian. You aren't fooling me! In all seriousness though, I love your work. You might just be the best and most educated wrestling personality on KZread.

I love wrestling for entertaining me. Every single thing that happens, on stage, behind the scenes, the politics, the backlash from the night before, the fans, the Internet, the hatred, the love, the excitement, social media, just everything about it is entertainment to me, pure and simple. Wrestling is one big package of entertainment and it's damn brilliant.

I always answer: "the injuries and the deaths aren't fake, I can assure you".

@Ticketman99

5 жыл бұрын

And I answer back: the Brawl For All and Angle vs Puder.

Hey Brian, it is so tough to stay away from being skeptical when you follow all the videos and shoot interviews. One thing that helps me stay in the kayfabe mode while watching is following it with my wife. She is a casual fan and it helps if I actively get involved with her about stuff I might have an idea what's gonna happen due to spoilers I've seen. That's the beauty of wrestling. I know where it's leading me but together we follow along and I get lost in it with her.

I love the post it over hulk hogans face on the lunch box. Little things like that make me laugh. Another great video Brian

Is that some sort of KZread award in the background? If so: I'm very proud of you.

I would disagree that WWE more recent efforts to blur lines of work/shoot to be a bad thing or unhealthy for fans. I grew up 100% believing in kayfabe. It was a magic moment in my life. Growing up and with the death of kayfabe wrestling has not been the same. However recently I feel that spark come back to life. Never being sure what real and what is not. Few years ago I rarely talked wrestling with my other wrestling friends. But it seems like almost every PPV me and my friends are caught up in excited conversation of "Was this real ? did that really happen ?" Video potrays conversation of "Is this a Shoot ? Is this a work" as being corrosive to the fan experience, but I dont feel that way. I feel as if its the revival of kayfabe. People so caught up in the story that they are invested in conversations of things being real or fake. For years that conversation didn't exist. It was fake, end of conversation. This has been one of my favorite wrestling years in recent memory. And that is exclusively due to the pure enjoyment I feel every time a shoot/work pops up and I get to talk to others about theories and what exactly happened. Overall I see zero reason to shame people for saying "Its a Work". The fun and important part is the conversation. If 100% people thought it was a shoot, or 100% thought it was a work there would be no conversation. Fun part is everyone being unsure, some people taking shoot side, some taking work side. Neither are right or wrong and often we just never find out the truth. So lets not attack others in our community. Lets just enjoy this new kayfabe together. Some may believe events are shoots, some may believe they are works, but together we can engage in fun conversations together as fans experiencing kayfabe once again.

Your entrances keep getting funnier and funnier. What do you think of Clash of Champions Zane?

You nailed it. The death of kayfabe blurred the lines.

There is a great line in i think a woody allen film that goes "Can You Imagine The Type of a Mind that watches Professional Wrestling?" as fans now,with all the stuff that we know about the business,especially how pushes are created and how scenarios and angles are created(i mean,we live in the Era of Vince Russo,for christ sakes)deep deep deep down there's a little part of us that wants to believe in Kayfabe again.But since we can't un-know things we try to re-create kayfabe with a sense of reality,we know it's "fake" but we try to make sense of it and see things from almost a film critics eye now

thank you for clearing this up for some people Brian, when AJ debuted I never thought he'd show even though dirtsheets were reporting that he was backstage I thought he couldn't be a main roster guy right off the bat but then bam outta nowhere would you look at that he's #3 and I was ecstatic when he came out. It ruins the experience as a whole when people want to be douchy and say everything is worked and that because of real life troubles nothings happening. The best moments in wrestling were all moments nobody expected

Sometimes I think for me it's a way to try and figure out the outcome of the storylines... I know that sucks. Also, with the introduction of the network and programs like Total Divas it takes all the piss out of things. Example, Paige and Alicia Fox are feuding on Raw but I see a preview of TD and their BFF's. Also, I have learned to really respect people like Y2J who, when a heel doesn't sell Merch,doesn't incorporate social media,etc.I want to feel legitimate emotions like excitement,anger,sadness when I watch. Hell a good current example of blurred lines was all the "Breaking News" surrounding ADR & Paige!!!

Do we need tickets for Internet darlings ?

@WrestlingWithWregret

7 жыл бұрын

Yep, here's the link! www.eventbrite.com/e/wrestling-with-wregret-presents-the-internet-darlings-live-tickets-25896569336

@rockrollz6784

7 жыл бұрын

Brian Zane has been knighted on behalf of his majesty's WTFness by King Ross for this noble act of providing a link, Sincerely - this Sick Guy

One of the things that I did that renewed my love for wrestling was to stop reading the dirt sheets. "What's WWE planning for the next 6 months" and stuff like that. I was never surprised or anything. Since I stopped reading those I've had a much better experience. I completely agree with you regarding the wacky vs realism. I have a hard time understanding why people like Undertaker, Kane, or Bray Wyatt wrestle. When the Undertaker was the American BA that made sense, but I can't figure out why an undead creature would want the WWE Championship so bad. A promotion that does let you check your brain at the door and just have a good time is Chikara. The characters are very colorful and I don't mind that they're not "real".

Wrestling is real. Only the names have been changed to protect the innocent.

Keep up the good work, I love your vids!

But if you're Brock Lesnar, it's ok to take drugs. Kinda ruins the Wellness Policy

@sandeater4580

7 жыл бұрын

Don't forget "I don't get tested" triple h!

@Questicus

7 жыл бұрын

I'd imagine that the wwe one is less strict and allows stuff that mma wouldnt. but yeah still funny.

@rdfox76

7 жыл бұрын

Remember, Brock is Brock. It's pretty much confirmed that there's a clause in his contract that states, "Brock can do whatever he goddamn well pleases without consequences, for the safety of those who would attempt to restrict his actions."

@skarsgaarddilapidatedboat5590

7 жыл бұрын

dare ya to say something to his face when you get the chance

@Crimson_Logic

7 жыл бұрын

+skarsguard dilapidated boat gladly would. Don't think he would give to shits. I will add, I do enjoy seeing him wrestle. Just disappointing that because he's part time, he can take roids

I'd be happy if all wrestling went to the fantasy style of Final Deletion

@CooroSnowFox

7 жыл бұрын

If promo's were filmed in RoH and FD style instead of random area in the arena or in the ring all the time...

@MrSamuel539

7 жыл бұрын

Ahmen. I hate it when wrestling try's to be a real sport.

@AceTheSkylord

7 жыл бұрын

Agreed. It's one of the reasons Lucha Underground's so much fun to watch.

@CooroSnowFox

7 жыл бұрын

Ace The Skylord They've been doing the same promo's for several decades only rarely... I rarely they do an home invasion which does change but thats the only one they've done... FD technically is... but it's got a lot of thought into the characters and the plot... if it's more then wrestler talks to other wrestler or interviewer and moans/rants about how bad they are or the other is ... they should really add more, like how Talking Smack is beginning to be a little more real..

@davezanko9051

7 жыл бұрын

MrSamuel539 I'm the opposite. I don't like it when wrestling loses all touch with verisimilitude. To me the best wrestling story all year was the Cruiserweight Classic. Because it was so simple and straightforward, and really kept it about what's in the ring, not soap opera bullshit.

The 'What ?' chants haven't helped.

This is just like when CM Punk left in 2014 and people thought it was a work for Wrestlemania 30 for ages.

I'm so glad someone finally said it. Wrestling fans always ruin their own experiences by worrying about the "backstage politics" & what goes on behind the curtain, but then bitch & moan when they're not surprised or excited by anything. If fans quit concerning themselves with all that & actually try to enjoy themselves instead of worrying, wondering & stressing, they might have a good time. If you have a favorite movie or tv show, you don't worry about the lives of the actors & actresses or what goes on behind the scenes or who'll be pushed as the next big character, you watch & enjoy. Wrestling fans are their on worst enemy, yet they always blame the talent or the company. Stop trying to be "smart fans" & just be fans because seriously, "smarks" are WAY worse then the "you know it's not real, right?" non-fans.

Keep up the good work Zane!

I generally try to treat wrestling the same way I treat a magic trick. I know it's not real, and it can be fun to try to figure out how it worked, but most of the time I just enjoy the showmanship and let myself believe because it's more fun.

new background? Love the XFL helmets! That would be an episode ! XFL!

thank you for your "Kayfabe" movie review.... funniest thing I've seen in a long time

Honestly, I like this blurring. I like them making me go "wait is this a work or a shoot" and I think that's what they want. Because it draws people in it makes them tune into Raw or Smackdown and see if it is indeed a work or a shoot.

Thanks for making this video, I can't stand when something happens, such as the Miz's Talking Smack promo, and people freak out like "OMG WAS THAT A WORK?" "THAT WASN'T A WORK!" "THAT WAS DEFINITELY A WORK!" Just enjoy the fucking program and not worry about it.

When I watch, I do everything I can to suspend my disbelief and let the story and performers take me on a ride. My favorite thing is when I get legitimately worked, with the most recent example being Kevin Owens' look of complete shock when winning the Universal Title. Part of me truly believed it was decided on the fly right then and there, and Owens, Hunter, and Rollins are all to thank for that. I avoid the trap of saying "It's a work." Because I just want to fall into Kayfabe and let it wash over me. Of course I still listen to the podcasts and watch the KZread videos and read the articles that break down how everything was put together, but I do the same for movies and comics too.

The Brian Zane character is a work! He's really just a bunch of gnomes in a sweat suit and glasses. And that's a shoot brother.

I blame the internet, mostly Whatculture for this smarky crap. Just like everything in life now, people are cynical couch quarterbacks who couldn't perform a scoop slam, but will critique everything.

@MrJackblack7

7 жыл бұрын

One of them used to wrestle and another one is currently training to be a wrestler.

@G33kCulture

7 жыл бұрын

Im sure they did *wink wink nudge nudge*. Simon is the one who is training and honestly probably the most real person they have on whatculture. He's not some douchey, pre-teen who only know about the attitude era and top ten lists.

@MrJackblack7

7 жыл бұрын

Gamers Anonymous And that's true, Simon is awesome. The only other real person imo is Pacitti. I love Blampied but it's clear he puts on a persona of being arrogant while King Ross embraces the character he made for himself. Then progressively he became smarky and my name literally has the word 'smarky' in it lol.

@MsAJ92

7 жыл бұрын

Have you ever actually watched WhatCulture? If so, I'm gonna have to call bullshit on what you just said. Considering they know way more about wrestling and more than just the attitude era and top ten lists. They do way more than that. They even have their own wrestling promotion. So what if they decided to give themselves a character to play, they still probably know more about wrestling than most.

@MrJackblack7

7 жыл бұрын

+MsAJ92 I actually love WhatCulture.

I'm convinced that Regal would've had a run with the belt if not for his suspension. That was a damn shame.

This type of stuff sadly has hit some indy shows lately as well. last event I went to was dead quite any time I would applaud you could hear it across the room. The only time the crowd would cheer anything was when there was a high impact move. I do feel some fans have become more difficult to entertain and I am not sure how we could solve it. I think having an off season for wrestling could work. This will give fans a break so when it does come back it gives them something to look forward to.

"I treat wrestling fans like mushrooms...I feed 'em shit and keep 'em in the dark." - Vince McMahon

You forgot Tony Shavonti's heel promo on Mike Teney on TNA Impact back in 2002. That was just so bizzare.

Honestly a lot in Wrestling is real. When someone like Daniel Bryan wins the title(s), like he did at WM 30, we know, that he didn't win because he won a real fight, but because the company finally realized (kinda) how good and important he is. The same was true for Sasha or now Kevin Owens recently (although on a smaller scale obviously). The chant "YOU DESERVE THIS!" says it all, because it is actually a breach of kayfabe by the fans. No one chants "You deserve this!" to a sprinter who just won gold at Olympia, to a Boxer that won the belt or to a football team that won the Superbowl.

Wait a minute, do you have the Homestar Runner figurines on your bottom left shelf?

To quote one of my favorite T-shirts "Pro wrestling is real. People are fake."

Like all live theater, film, television, etc., without good stories, talent, and resolution, the patrons of said art will force themselves to look to some different facets of said artwork so as not to let themselves believe they've just wasted their time and money. WWE is no different. They go through spells with a plethora of talent, which in turn supports a broader range of story angles and epic resolution. As the talent pool grows shallow, you have to rely more on the simple and borderline effective; you can no longer go for "epic." During one such lull, THE INTERWEBS came along, and fan immersion was complete. Any bit of information, regardless of how minute, was easily accessible. This, in turn, took the ability to properly pace story development out of the hands of the bookers. This "cynicism" is the result. The sad part: You cannot un-ring that bell. Anyway, excellent video, as always, Brian. Cheers.

The pro wrestling fan of 2016 is a bizarre creature. He knows it's pre-determined, but still wants to talk about it as if it's a legitimate sport. He gets so emotionally invested in fictional characters, but also wants to know as much as possible about the real person playing that character. There seems to be this weird self-loathing mentality ingrained in the modern day wrestling fan. He doesn't want to be fooled, so he doesn't put himself in a position to be surprised in the first place. That doesn't allow you to enjoy the product. For some reason, suspending belief at a wrestling show can't be done the same way as when at the movie theatre. There are so many factors as to why pro wrestling isn't as enjoyable as it once was, and at the root of that, is the wrestling fan ruining it for himself. Dirt sheets and rumor sites are there, but you can choose to avoid them. Shoot interviews are out there, but you can choose to avoid them. The more you dive into those things, the less enjoyable it becomes. The wrestling fans who are the happiest, are the same ones who have never heard of Wrestlezone, Wrestling Inc, or Kayfabe Commentaries.

You ever gonna make a video about Bruce Blitz? Idk, I'd just find it interesting to see what you had to say about him and his channel.

I like to buy into what i'm watching and i like it when i get worked. It means they are doing something right.

I haven't heard anybody seriously say Eva's/Roman's suspensions were works.

@darkashtar

7 жыл бұрын

I know Eva Marie came right out and said it was Adderall, prescribed but she didn't inform in time and took responsibility for it.

@JRSanchez93

7 жыл бұрын

From what I saw most didn't think it was a work, but said it should have been used for her storyline.

WCW and WWF were doing faux-shoots in the Monday Night Wars and WWE has kept it going with the stuff you mentioned. Someone once described WWE's faux-shoots as "Everything is fake...except for what you're watching right now!" It's like someone saying "I admit I'm a liar, but this time I'm telling the truth!" Smark cynicism is a natural byproduct of that. Things inspired by reality like The Authority or Hardy-Edge are fine by themselves, but when mixed with faux-shoot injuries, etc. it makes the audience feel like WWE is insulting the fans intelligence.

This video is a work.

When I watch wrestling I just enjoy it for what it is. While I'll still point things out I didn't like, or skip certain promos (already bored of Orton & Wyatt), and discuss potential storylines, for the majority of the time I just take it as escapism. Yeah it may be "fake", but I like the characters, the way stories are told (it makes a change to a film or a book), and can appreciate the athleticism that's on show. While people who do love something are the most critical of it as well, you need to take time to appreciate it as well.

good video Brian

I really liked your opinion on this, Zane, and i totally agree. Well, i would have a topic for you to discuss and i woud really like your opinion on it, because in my eyes it is a very large problem today and it got worse in the last months. Would be awesome if you replied: Dean Ambrose was Roman Reigns sidekick for over 2 years, after being screwed over time and time again he finally got the big one and everyone liked him. 2 Months later they loathe him for no specific reason and want AJ Styles to win the belt (Considered AJ is a heel... means he is not really doing a good job there). And it's not that Dean was bad he had pretty decent matches besides SummerSlam. The same goes for Roman Reigns: After he defeated Sheamus for the title he was cheered with one of the loudest pops i have heard since 2012, and not only 1 month later the fans hate him to a degree wich is very hard for me to describe with words. Is it possible that heels today are the only ones who can hold to a belt for over 4 months? New day had to turn heel to be believable as champs, same goes for charlotte. Then now we have Rusev, KO, Miz and Styles who are all heels, too. Is this a bad sign that fans turn on babyfaces way too fast? Maybe because they think it is too predictable when a face will win? I really think this is a bad trend.

One thing that pissed me off lately was on the Wrestling news world message boards during Lesnar vs. Orton at Summerslam., So many people on there legitimately hate Lesnar due to his part time/not giving a crap status, to the point where they actually thought he was shooting on Orton, when it was very clearly a work and complaining about how he should be fired. So I think your point goes both ways, not accepting fake stuff for being fake and the real stuff for being real.

great video.

The cynicism originates from the end of the Attitude Era and the Invasion Arc for numerous reasons. But the skepticism hit its stride with the PG Era, cause how is this gonna be a wrestling show starring wrestlers if you can't say ass or show blood or tell compelling stories, lest the children (or parents who grew up w/ a more mature product) get offended?! It's insulting as a fan tbh...

is there a Simpsons Bret Hart doll on the bookshelf in the background and if so where did you get it because I would love to add that to my collection

"have their cake and eat it too" that pretty much nails it...

no disrespect is intended, because I'm a fan of your channel, and have been for a while. it seems like youtube,podcasts, and social media is to blame. it's the wise ass/smart ass fans who are to blame. the way i see it when I was 10, and first started watching wwe in 2001 there was no youtube, no shoot interviews, no podcasts, etc. if i wanted to know something about wrestling I would learn it by watching a wwe show. if i were to start watching now, not only do I have unlimited access to all this knowledge/terminology that us fans were really never meant to know, I also have a fb or Twitter to post whatever I like,learn, or dislike to the whole world. we live in an Era where everybody is self entitled even with the most petty shit. how much unnecessary non sense has been tweeted about Roman reigns? again no disrespect, but we have so many geeks and dweebs who wanna be know it alls, and influence other people's opinions on a topic such as wrestling. it might be just my perception, but I feel like only the real hardcore fans care about in ring action/work rate. the more casual fans care about the drama, and story telling because it's something to keep you around. that's why the attitude Era was so successful, because there were casual fans ever because of the enticing television between all the shows. wwf,wcw, and ecw had great story telling, but none of those people could really do what people like finn baler, or sami zayn, or even a Daniel bryan, but the shows were better! fuck work rate! if wwe starts writing real stories again, and let the talent be themselves then the show would be better than it is, and then maybe those little dick smart marks might shut up, and set balance to the force didn't wanna be one of these guys who writes an essay, but I was feeling it

@sychobones3788

7 жыл бұрын

exposure was inevitable, but it's like the industry is practically naked now. the suspension of disbelief is fucked

Nice video, a problem WCW had in its end was that "everything was a shoot", trying to blur that line. TNA was doing that too in 2010, so much so that Hogan in a (dumb and horrible) promo said nothing is kayfabe anymore and that he doesn't care about how many fake titles you won. GFW had a promo over how "this is real, and it ain't a shoot". When people use shoot and kayfabe for promo's, just know they're being lame and pretentious.

The reason why I originally thought that the Eva Marie suspension might have been a work it because quite simply, ITS WWE!!! This is a company that ran a storyline where a man simulated having sex a dead person. This is a company where the owner wanted to do an incest angle with his own daughter. This is a company that had numerous Homosexual characters that were deliberately depicted to be perverted, creepy & downright ridiculous. This is a company that once made a female wrestler stripped down to the underwear in the ring, get down on her hands & knees & bark like a dog. This is a company that once continued with a show after they announced that one of the wrestlers had died in the ring. This is a company that has repeatedly exploited the deaths of past wrestlers & members of the wrestling community. So the idea of WWE using the Wellness Policy for a storyline wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. The levels they've stooped to before, nothing WWE does surprises me anymore

@shadestone

7 жыл бұрын

Why does it even matter if it is a work or a shoot?

@haroldhernandez1560

7 жыл бұрын

Like what people here already said.... WWE brought it on themselves. We cant blame the fans on this one

I have the same issues with music fans. You hit the spot when you use the term "Information Feedback Loop". Today's average music fans are about as "smart" about the business as wrestling fans. I doubt there would be so many smug know-it-alls if they had to take hundreds of bumps and spend hundreds of hours in a cramped van. The other point is the cynicism. I had to recognize the high concentration of troll blood in my veins and am trying to recover from being such a Hater. It poisoned my love for music and I can see it poisoning a wrestler's attitude as well. Thanks for 'splainin to the marks

Last time I was this early I was on the whole f'n show with Adam B

The best real moment ever is Steve Austin's shoot rant in ECW.

I WANT THOSE HOME STAR RUNNER STATUE FIGURE THINGS

I agree with what you say about there wouldnt be any reason for a wellness suspension to be a work but the WWE doesnt always take common sense into consideration when making decisions. If it hasnt happened yet, which I believe is true, I do think eventually it might. I remember when Dr. D David Schultz smacked John Stossel and thought it might have been a work.

Why is there a post-it note over warrior's face in the background, but yet his face is clearly visible on the left of the screen?

@WrestlingWithWregret

7 жыл бұрын

It's Hogan on the lunchbox, not Warrior.

@BayattheMoonNetwork

7 жыл бұрын

Ah, I get it now ... It really looked like Warrior :P.

@jayden8107

7 жыл бұрын

Ohhh that's why holgans face is covered!

You know how when a friend tells you about some news leak and you don't want to admit you didn't hear about about and say "yeah I heard " i think that's why we are so cynical and want to act like we just know how this stuff works

I've never been too concerned. Ever since I was 6, maybe because of the part of the world I live in, I knew it was fake, pretty much everybody else knew this too. In 1991, I read a Bret Hart interview in Disney Magazine where he talked about the worked elements of wrestling, and which parts were very real, the pain, injury and politics. Learning this at a young age made me way less cynical - seeing wrestling for what it is, enjoying it for what it is. So I have hope the newer generation of fans, won't be quite as cynical about it, since the way wrestling works is far more common knowledge.

@jvdhmj

7 жыл бұрын

But thats why most of the fans are so cynical, because they know too much. Back in the day people thought they actually won a legitimate fight. Nowadays everyone knows it's scripted and can see through questionable booking decisions. For example a run Hogan got in the past wont work nowadays, see John Cena or Roman Reigns. Fans see through that and thats why they get vocal about people who in their eyes deserves it doesnt get the recognition from the company. Personally i dont mind that all the secrets are out there. I mean as soon as the show starts i am just as caught up in it like i am with my fav animes or watching Star Wars. Although i must say that i'm guilty as well for being annoyed sometimes if wrestlers who "deserve it" in my eyes dont get much appreciation. Luckily WWE is on a great roll though with Owens, Styles, Sasha, Balor, Nakamura etc etc.

@Shizuma

7 жыл бұрын

A lot of people knew all about Hogan, actually WWE did a lot to cover up the times the fans turned on him, it actually worked back then since most wrestling was taped. I do think, starting out on wrestling knowing how it works does help, because then you aren't overthinking it so much - Guys like Zane grew up thinking it was real, so there is second-guessing and adjustments to how they view wrestling.

I would think it's because a lot of wrestling fans were around at the AE and the writing back then didn't make us scatch our head "as much" So when a great moment such as CM Punk's pipebomb, or the fiery exchange between D Bry and Miz or the whole promo package between Punk and HHH happens, it's a trigger mechanism. Everybody wants to be "smart" when it comes to wrestling. Kayfabe is dying, and the fans are apart of that. You're supposed to suspend disbelief just like when you watch your favorite movie or TV. We're supposed to be caught in the moment.

i find the "blurred lines" idea as a tool that defines wrestling now. when u think of 80s-early 90s u think cartoonish. when u think late 90s u think absurd and edgy. when you think 2014+ u think maybe real in places? as a fan im always fascinating by blurred lines and figuring out whats a shoot and whats a work. if they do that right it could be a good thing (i.e The Miz, CM Punk). we even see brock lesnars UFC career becoming cannon with WWE in a way. i think this is just the way WWE evolved and is using all the information as an advantage. but ur right, they need to cut the obviously fake stuff of the past. the tricky part is, convincing us that works are real if that makes any sense

This is why I prefer Lucha Underground much more. They know what they are and they tell good stories, that and cool spots/matches are what I want from a wrestling show.

When ever I'm told "wrestling's fake" I just say it's a stunt show with choreographed fighting!

"You know it's fake...right?" immediately makes me want to start the monologue from Wrestling isnt Wrestling.

@kujo62

7 жыл бұрын

My reply is usually "Star Wars is fake"

@olis87

7 жыл бұрын

Star wars is still real to me damnit

@Xehanort10

7 жыл бұрын

The stupidest part is that the people who say wrestling is fake think they're somehow geniuses for pointing it out. How come they don't feel the need to point out that films, books, TV series, games and whatever else are fake when they already know they are but point out that wrestling is fake as if they believe everyone thinks it's real?

The Final Deletion is a great example of how wrestling doesnt have to be reality based to be popular

It's depressing how much the quality of the capacity audiences has gone down in 30 years, thus making the shows way worse no matter what the presentation is. Huge pops for babyfaces' moves, no wannabe-clever chants, actual immersion in the fight instead of the spots... that's what it used to be.

Lets watch

Good question but, easy answer it will never end due to social media and the internet

And yet no wrestler has ever had 'The Purple Nurple' as a finisher submission hold

Yeah, I ran into these same rumors, pretty insane if you ask me, like they've gone so far in doubting the program that they forgot that it's still a real business. Like when Bryan retired, many said it was a work, which was stupid because it was on mainstream media. Which is the real determining factor that a lot of people don't appreciate. WWE stars go on late night talk shows and break kayfabe, because that's the image they project now. If WWE ran a story and outside media outlets, like TMZ, called to see if it's real, then WWE reps would tell them if it was a work (off the record obviously). Otherwise it would hurt their reputation. WWE doesn't want to be known as a company that creates fake news stories (anymore) since it's a publicly traded company, such news could even be grounds for liable as misrepresentation of the product.

We just need to have FUN watching wrestling again! Promotions like CHIKARA and Lucha Underground do great at this, with wacky storylines and colorful characters you can't help but get invested in. Reality is boring, professional wrestling doesn't have to be. Smarks and the Internet have ruined professional wrestling, or at least the main promotions.

Why is there a post-it note covering the Ultimate Warrior's face?

Why can't the real and the ridiculous coexist? You were a kid in '97-'98. That was the height of coexistence between fantasy and reality. Segment one you got Kane setting people on fire with magical hand powers, in the next Shawn Michaels is accusing Bret Hart of screwing Sunny.

Does it count as being sceptic if you never really buy into wrestling to begin with and look at everything as a work anyway? Don't get me wrong, I'm still a fan of wrestling and enjoy watching it, but I find *how* they tell the story more interesting than the story itself.

I think there was more with Reigns suspension being used as part of the storyline. Not necessarily that the whole suspension was a work. Similar to what they've done in the past with Hawk and Jake the Snake

hey are you gonna do wwe slam crate?!

Before the rise of social media, when someone was injured, we were never told. They'd always tell us when they had fake injuries when they had to have an overdue surgery, like Austin getting hit by the car to get him off TV. Real ones? Nope. For example, Wrath goes over the top rope awkwardly and just disappeared for about a year until showing up again. No mention on TV. He just... stopped showing up. If someone got fired, they just disappeared. Even if they had a title belt. Meng was released while he had the WCW Hardcore title. They said nothing about it on TV. These days, they always tell us. Both the real injuries and the pretend ones are given lip-service online, with no clear distinction. Is he having knee surgery, filming a movie, or did he have a legit injury during that match and they, on the fly, have the opponent use a foreign object on them to write them out? We have no idea.

Zane when are you going to do a video about John Cena's Title Reign from 2005 to 2014 and you could call it "John Cena: The Reign of Terror 2: The Reckoning"