Why Andor Feels So Real

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  • @ThomasFlight
    @ThomasFlight Жыл бұрын

    This video is SPOILER-FREE, so you can watch even if you haven't seen the show or aren't caught up! Check out my podcast: cinemaofmeaning.com Support my channel on Patreon: patreon.com/thomasflight

  • @wombat7961

    @wombat7961

    Жыл бұрын

    your journalism into cinema is the best, can you write a story on the marginalization of black men today in cinema - for example the long history of wearing a dress? or how every black man ALSO has to be queer or disabled or mutiliated? how the character has to be heavy-handed with intersectionality so that the image of strong black men is deteriorated? ok thanks, long time watcher and lover of all things Flight

  • @TheMixCurator

    @TheMixCurator

    Жыл бұрын

    Not having seen Andor (but being a Londoner and going to school as a kid near Barbican), those shots immediately triggered a "I think I know where that is" thought. Its a great place to wonder around and if you're ever back you should try to arrange a viewing in one of the apartments in the complex. They are incredible inside as well. One of my bucket list goals is to own an apartment there. Also, what brand are your glasses? I really like the styling and would love to check out whoever makes them 🙌

  • @Tubeflux

    @Tubeflux

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for your review and opinions on the show, but I find many characters annoying, although there are a few of them that are really well interpreted. But those that aren't pull me out of the story every time. And the woke factor is also quite heavy. All these old ugly men and the female officer and her angry unsympathetic behavior don't make me enjoy their scenes. Moreover, some of the characters' behaviors seem so forced, not natural. The protagonists, be they the good or the bad guys, should be enjoyable and well interpreted for the viewer to see. But, as stated before, some are annoying and irritating. As a viewer, and fan, I want a villain to to be enjoyable, maybe mysterious, and interesting, I want to understand his motivations, what drives them, him or her in a story. But as a story, Andor is well written and better narrated as so many other Disney Star Wars stories. / greetings from SICILY

  • @decannerlin5950

    @decannerlin5950

    Жыл бұрын

    great job

  • @martinikmp

    @martinikmp

    Жыл бұрын

    Hey! Mind telling me what music you used from 0:25 to 2:00? Thanks!

  • @hugeg1121
    @hugeg1121 Жыл бұрын

    Andor was like a home cooked meal after eating nothing but fast food for 2 weeks

  • @spicy5397

    @spicy5397

    Жыл бұрын

    the sad thing is, in terms of production costs, doing things with a real set as opposed to CGI everything would probably be cheaper. So the producers who love money more than anything, are spending more money than they have to, to create inferior stories. The Andor formula is also very replicable and unlikely to ever get old, like the myth of the hero's journey. Hopefully we get an andor for other franchises like LotR and Harry Potter. Producers are not the most famous for their flexibility though, or admitting they're wrong, so it'll probably take 10 years before other studios catch on to a winner formula.

  • @Jin-1337

    @Jin-1337

    Жыл бұрын

    The usage and creation of CGIs have been the death of just a lot of Hollywood movies nowadays. They're too lazy to make real sets and hire actual actors or too ambitious with their ideas to the point of replicating it realistically is close to impossible. CGIs should be used sparingly or thoroughly like Avatar. To use cgi regularly and then not is very jarring for viewers making the visuals terrible.

  • @rustytoe178

    @rustytoe178

    Жыл бұрын

    @@spicy5397 Use of real sets has become more expensive as CGI takes hold - There as less companies producing sets to a high enough quality to film / tv as most have had to adapt to CGi. Their costs have gone up to cover for this which si why most studios tend to choose CGI as it can be much cheaper if done correctly

  • @caelincoolz5814

    @caelincoolz5814

    Жыл бұрын

    @@spicy5397 You're talking about other movies having their own "Andor" like world regions have their own "Switzerland" and I love it.

  • @Doctor_Straing_Strange

    @Doctor_Straing_Strange

    Жыл бұрын

    More like a meal cooked by your grandparents/parents. A meal cooked with care and attention. It's a very honest show, truly deserving of the label ''art''

  • @darson100
    @darson100 Жыл бұрын

    My biggest problem with Andor is that I now have to wait probably another 2 years for season 2

  • @altarproductions2639

    @altarproductions2639

    Жыл бұрын

    They actually just started season 2 production shooting

  • @keaixiaomeinv

    @keaixiaomeinv

    Жыл бұрын

    @@altarproductions2639 True. However, season 2 will still projected to come out in late 2024.

  • @chewiewins

    @chewiewins

    Жыл бұрын

    A good type of problem!

  • @Kenobi_Cowboy

    @Kenobi_Cowboy

    Жыл бұрын

    At least we'll get Willow to do something with on our now Andor-less Wednesday nights.

  • @mayathepsychiic

    @mayathepsychiic

    Жыл бұрын

    2024 :(

  • @codydwyerify
    @codydwyerify Жыл бұрын

    The reason I adore Andor so much was the depiction of The Empire. I have worked for some big bureaucracies, and the meetings, inside competition, power play, etc. were chilling for me. Unlike movies like Avatar which slaps you in the face with "THIS IS AMERICA MILITARISM AND THAT IS BAD" it felt like Andor just gave you a peak inside the middle management of the empire and let you figure it out for your self. I have rarely enjoyed squirming so much.

  • @priyapepsi

    @priyapepsi

    Жыл бұрын

    To be absolutely clear; american militarism is bad.

  • @haroldnecmann7040

    @haroldnecmann7040

    Жыл бұрын

    Avatar is perfect examples of James Cameroon hatred for humanity. Someone need to expose this lizard person

  • @mic_at_nite

    @mic_at_nite

    Жыл бұрын

    Exactly, for this and all of Star Wars not not be seen as an allegory for communal democracy rebelling against a capitalistic fascism is surprising. Like, I'm surprised it took until the end of Mandalorian and Andor for me to connect the dots of the story as allegory, but I also only watched the star wars movies as a kid, not an adult with the relevant context lol.

  • @bowmanencore

    @bowmanencore

    10 ай бұрын

    I spoke to some family members about that yesterday. The meetings were enthralling for me. I've seen some of this at play in a business setting. In Star Wars, it's a little different, because in addition to missed promotions, demotions, and firing, death is a possible outcome. Maybe not so much as in more cartoonish Star Wars films/shows, but still, a very serious situation. For some viewers, apparently, it was boring, and nothing was happening. Crom bless them all. They don't know what a high turnover environment feels like.

  • @dualwieldroxas358

    @dualwieldroxas358

    10 ай бұрын

    It really makes Star Wars feel like a living breathing galaxy, instead of just setpieces for the main story

  • @TheTaxxor
    @TheTaxxor Жыл бұрын

    Besides the eating and drinking, to me a great scene that emphasized the fact that these are all just normal people was when the two Imperials were asking to get the night off to see the eye of Aldhani. Just like a normal conversation you'd have with your boss at work.

  • @MM-vs2et

    @MM-vs2et

    11 ай бұрын

    And the best part, it wasn't even a throwaway line, or a worldbuilding line. That scene was still integral to the plot because it shows Lt. Gorn covering his tracks by making it seem like he want more security in the vault, instead of minimizing it so he'd be in the clear afterwards, if he'd survived. It displays competence and cunning of a character, while expanding on the theme of regularity. Goddamn what a show.

  • @panelsandbars1529
    @panelsandbars1529 Жыл бұрын

    From the acting to the pacing and cinematography, Andor is easily one of the strongest (if not THE strongest) Disney Star Wars entries. I really hope Disney learns the right lessons from it.

  • @chasehedges6775

    @chasehedges6775

    Жыл бұрын

    Sooo true. It’s such an awesome show that tells a story

  • @DystopiaWithoutNeons

    @DystopiaWithoutNeons

    Жыл бұрын

    Right now Disney is in crisis in all departments of the company, the good news for the audience is that they either learn to tell consistent stories or disappear.

  • @safi6749

    @safi6749

    Жыл бұрын

    Better than mandalorian

  • @laithhart4013

    @laithhart4013

    Жыл бұрын

    But your comment makes no sense

  • @chasehedges6775

    @chasehedges6775

    Жыл бұрын

    @@safi6749 It’s on the same level of The Mandalorian, honestly

  • @bramweinreder2346
    @bramweinreder2346 Жыл бұрын

    The good thing is how it transitions from crime to a war movie to a heist, then back to crime, a prison break and essentially Les Miserables in space. It's like you're watching three different movies in three different genres, that somehow exist inside the same continuity.

  • @Force_Of_Habit

    @Force_Of_Habit

    Жыл бұрын

    Agreed. In fact, after episode 6 the whole thing feels like two separate seasons and it's amazing.

  • @2WhiteAndNerdy

    @2WhiteAndNerdy

    Жыл бұрын

    You're right and it's not just our imaginations. They had 3 different directors do 3 different blocks of episodes, each bringing their A-Game to their respective assignments. That's why each "group" of episodes was so distinctive. REALLY well done. I've heard that Season 2 is going to have a different set of 3 directors, so it will definitely be interesting to see how that ends up.

  • @LePrimo420

    @LePrimo420

    Жыл бұрын

    @@2WhiteAndNerdy They have the same writers returning so I'm hopeful it ends up just as good

  • @Malc180s

    @Malc180s

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Force_Of_Habit That's my favourite bit - most shows would just drag out the first 6 episodes and call it a series.

  • @GWA66

    @GWA66

    10 ай бұрын

    My top 2 was the heist and the prison. God teir SW not even exaggerating

  • @torvasdh
    @torvasdh Жыл бұрын

    The tie fighter scenes on aldhani are what really sold me on the show. I already loved it, but seeing those things fly and actually be terrifying an not just fodder was so nice.

  • @ilyali

    @ilyali

    Жыл бұрын

    Those things kinda sound like Stuka diving bombers, and I think it was made on purpose.

  • @nickrd182

    @nickrd182

    Жыл бұрын

    seconded. did a number on making the Empire feel like a real threat.

  • @keithw4920

    @keithw4920

    Жыл бұрын

    Too bad in the end, they still kinda ended as fodder, all crashing.

  • @housemouseshorts

    @housemouseshorts

    Жыл бұрын

    it reminds me of that video game that came out a bit ago in the Dragon ball Z universe. The twist being this game is basicly Dead by daylight. You are a normal human level person expreinceing the events of the show as the villens literally eat your freinds alive. Or blow them up with their minds. Or suffer horrid mortal injury and just get back up. Or erase mountions with a punch. The game failed due to other factors but the idea of it was awsome. Experiencing Goku VS Frezzia a thing we have seen for years..from Bulma or yashorbis POV is a whole diffrent feeling when these too guys are actualy destroying the world by screaming loudly. Dragon ball super did something like that for one scene near the start. Where Krillien was spending his days as a viglantie helping the police department. We seen a car chase threw the pov of the random thugs..as the weakest of the z fighters just up and teleports towards the car lifts it up and throws it.

  • @TimSheehan

    @TimSheehan

    Жыл бұрын

    @@ilyali It's absolutely on purpose, Lucas was heavily influenced by WWII, X-Wings and TIEs fight like Spitfires and Messerschmitts, the death star trench run is almost shot for shot "the dam busters", the star destroyers are great lumbering battleships/aircraft carriers, Imperial officers dress like nazi officers

  • @Brownyman
    @Brownyman Жыл бұрын

    For the first time in any Star Wars lone TIE Fighters were legit terrifying, rather than simply cannon fodder. I especially remember the scene where one TIE runs super low to the river, kicking up a fantail, and then flies right over the crew’s heads letting them know they could have just have been strafed if the pilot wanted to. The noise alone, which has always been iconic, was so well edited and engineered - like at a race track when you’re near a high output engine revving LOL but it’s a TIE Fighter 👍

  • @harukills

    @harukills

    Жыл бұрын

    im not a star wars fan neither even know star wars lore as much, but Andor does not feels like a star wars movie not in a bad way

  • @sockpocketpre-alpha8258

    @sockpocketpre-alpha8258

    8 ай бұрын

    in any star wars? they were not fodder in episode 4

  • @zedxx
    @zedxx Жыл бұрын

    It's quite clear that Andor is a character-driven narrative while the other Star Wars projects are plot-driven. You can see that plots take centre stage in the original trilogy, the three prequels and the three sequels, the characters there are just plot place-holders. While in Andor, Toni Gilroy focuses on the causality of characters. We care so much about the people in this world, even if their screentime is just a few minutes. Even the robot makes us emotional. Andor is simply good writing.

  • @sebastianjoseph2828

    @sebastianjoseph2828

    Жыл бұрын

    Not only is it a well-written character driven story, but it gives equal weight many main characters. Andor may be a main character, but we follow several others. And there are literally dozens of characters who are fleshed out so well. In 12 episodes or less we understand the entire community of Ferrix, the motivations and backgrounds of the heist crew, the prisoners, everyone on Coruscant. Credit to the writers and actors that they don't need a ton of dialogue or lore-dropping to inform viewers either.

  • @eds1942

    @eds1942

    Жыл бұрын

    Andor puts the focus on the character development, while painting the plot as it goes along. Despite the viewers knowing where that ultimately ends, we experience it develop through the perspective of the characters, most of which don’t know where it’s leading to.

  • @CantankerousDave

    @CantankerousDave

    Жыл бұрын

    "Plot" is a bit of a stretch there.

  • @kubli365

    @kubli365

    Жыл бұрын

    Luke?

  • @wahn10

    @wahn10

    Жыл бұрын

    The writing is so good I even care about Imperial middle managers and flunkies. And the monologues are incredible - like modern Shakespeare set in space.

  • @aznknightfire1
    @aznknightfire1 Жыл бұрын

    The other thing I really love about Andor is the tension that is missing from literally every post Disney Star Wars media. The empire is a true threat to the characters, and the characters react as such. Not having the omnipotent view makes the audience take the ride with the characters and also creates tension. Having grand, epic battles is great and all, but if the audience doesn't care about the characters or the story, it's largely just eye candy. The Andor team did an amazing job with this prequel when the audience already knows what happens.

  • @tedcannefax6043

    @tedcannefax6043

    Жыл бұрын

    So true I even felt terrible for the guy helping bixx… He was hung in center of town and he hardly any screen time

  • @arafat9828

    @arafat9828

    Жыл бұрын

    @@tedcannefax6043 Dude I almost shed a tear in last week's episode after seeing Bee's (the droid) reaction to Marva's death.

  • @ian_at_iansvo

    @ian_at_iansvo

    Жыл бұрын

    Excellent point!

  • @MrWardJohnson

    @MrWardJohnson

    Жыл бұрын

    @@arafat9828 Spoilers!

  • @Nghilifa

    @Nghilifa

    Жыл бұрын

    I couldn't disagree more. None of the characters are particularly interesting, especially the main character. The empire is as inept as always, they try to sugarcoat it by throwing in some black stormtroopers, one of which gets promptly dropped by Andor like it's nothing, they pull more or less all security from Bix, which enables Andor to practically twerk his way into her cell with (almost)no opposition. There's so many more issues I have with the show, so I'll just end it with saying that I can't wait 'till Mando comes back. That's by far the BEST Star Wars TV-Show produced so far.

  • @TheOrangeneck
    @TheOrangeneck Жыл бұрын

    Another note on sensory details: I can tell you didn't add it out of sensitivity lol, but the moment when all the racks of metal credits slid in the aircraft and hit the kid was BRUTAL to watch. They really made it feel real there.

  • @LeahLuciB

    @LeahLuciB

    Жыл бұрын

    Having seen a cart of that gold dump during loading, you know that even a single bar hitting him could have done serious damage. This show does an amazing job of letting you see what the stakes and elements are without making it obvious that it's laying it all out for later

  • @kennythawsh
    @kennythawsh Жыл бұрын

    What they did with the Ti fighters in Andor sent chills down my back almost everytime. They were absolutely terrifying

  • @andys.9526

    @andys.9526

    Жыл бұрын

    TIE...for Twin Ion Engine

  • @kennythawsh

    @kennythawsh

    Жыл бұрын

    @@andys.9526 oh that makes sense

  • @jurgenkoks9142

    @jurgenkoks9142

    Жыл бұрын

    @@andys.9526 jambo namba five!

  • @LittlePixelTM

    @LittlePixelTM

    Жыл бұрын

    I used to vacation as a kid in the same areas of Scotland that they filmed these scenes. You'd be out on a hike and suddenly, unannounced you'd see and hear a Royal Air Force Tornado jet fighter screaming through the Glen (valley) at just a couple hundred feet up. (pilot training). If you'd walked high, sometimes you'd even be above the plane. It was hella loud, and not a little bit scary. Seeing these Tie scenes in Andor I couldn't help but feel that capturing that feel was the intention - perhaps by someone in the writing / location team that had also experienced the shock of such violent power in such an otherwise quiet and tranquil place.

  • @reganator5000

    @reganator5000

    10 ай бұрын

    @@LittlePixelTM Yeah, I've been on hikes in similar areas in the lake district used for RAF training, and having a jet come screaming through the valley was always very much a shock, both with how loud it is, and how you barely get any warning until they're already right there, given the speeds involved. Rather than a distant plane engine, going 'oh there's a plane', then seeing it, it's more 'what's that noise' then it's right there, chasing it's own sound waves.

  • @SHRIMP_LIVE
    @SHRIMP_LIVE Жыл бұрын

    One of the stark differences I found between Andor and other Star Wars media that really hooked me from the start was the dialogue. Whenever you hear a conversation in Andor it genuinely feels like people talking with one another vs what a lot of the other movies/shows in SW have done. A huge step up coming from Obi Wan...

  • @hippoace

    @hippoace

    Жыл бұрын

    yes i find alot of lines in the prequels feel fairly cliched and simply announcing their intent. In Andor, you can see and hear the fear tension in their eyes and voice

  • @GaryBonaducci

    @GaryBonaducci

    Жыл бұрын

    Obi-wan's cinematography, camera angles, post-production, and editing was simply bad, lazy, and amateurish. A real letdown.

  • @wobblywack5531

    @wobblywack5531

    Жыл бұрын

    @@hippoace George lucas was famous for creating really bad dialogue and unnatural conversations, like the sand incident

  • @CantankerousDave

    @CantankerousDave

    Жыл бұрын

    Exactly. Andor's characters talk like real people. Characters in the other recent shows made the insane decision to mimic George Lucas' godawful dialogue in the prequels.

  • @jeb123

    @jeb123

    Жыл бұрын

    @@mohamadmirza6346 don't lie to yourself

  • @SteveJubs
    @SteveJubs Жыл бұрын

    A lot of this reminded me of techniques we saw in Dune, from the sound of the water glass sliding across the table, to fingers running through sand, to the views of the desert through the ornithopter windows-but I love how these techniques in Andor specifically contribute to the theme of the show as you’ve pointed out here. It makes it feel less like a copy/paste and makes it clear that this was a meaningful creative decision.

  • @LuisSierra42

    @LuisSierra42

    Жыл бұрын

    I haven't seen Andor, but looking at the scenes presented in this video, the first thing that came to my mind was Dune

  • @joshberkin5567

    @joshberkin5567

    Жыл бұрын

    @@LuisSierra42 change that

  • @nickywags0712

    @nickywags0712

    Жыл бұрын

    That’s a really good connection I didn’t even make til seeing this comment. That was some of my favorite aspects of Dune was the focus on the reality of living on Arrakis and the human moments of the Fremen

  • @blackbird8837

    @blackbird8837

    Жыл бұрын

    @@nickywags0712 yeah I highly recommend the documentary on DUNE as the whole sound design is just a masterclass on world building and immersiveness. The department completely knocked it out of the park and the way Denis integrated them in the process of making the film, including the soundtrack was just such a smart move, I'm surprised how few filmmakers even today still make so little use of it.

  • @lordlorzius

    @lordlorzius

    Жыл бұрын

    So funny, I just shared this video and mentioned the same similarities between Andor and dune and how I love this new kind of grounded Sci fi

  • @JoshIdstein
    @JoshIdstein Жыл бұрын

    The term I always use to describe Andor when people ask me what exactly it is about is "a study of fascism, but with blaster rifles, and damn well written" and that usually gets the kind of people I know excited for it

  • @SwagSwagSenate

    @SwagSwagSenate

    Жыл бұрын

    Lmao well said. Too bad none of the students in my school are interested in anything I like. My closest friend used to be in my school but now is living far away but we have contact via discord and we watch Andor together, I got him to watch it cuz he liked Star Wars but never seen any of the shows.

  • @FlamingZelda3
    @FlamingZelda3 Жыл бұрын

    5:46 this is part of why the shot of the sand spaceport in A New Hope is so compelling. They don't hand you a drone/digital shot of the town and then cut to luke in a bar. They give shots of luke and obiwan in the car, driving past security, getting out of the car, and walking into the bar. It makes the world feel real and genuine.

  • @nerd26373
    @nerd26373 Жыл бұрын

    Andor has an immersive experience overall. The mood and atmosphere just draws you in.

  • @chasehedges6775

    @chasehedges6775

    Жыл бұрын

    Same here. From the first frame, you are invested and interested

  • @thumos

    @thumos

    Жыл бұрын

    But the story really doesn't. Does anyone here really identify with Cassian Andor in a deep sense? What's the through line of the story?

  • @projectx7453

    @projectx7453

    Жыл бұрын

    Agree

  • @crossman1459

    @crossman1459

    Жыл бұрын

    @@thumos it's his journey to becoming a true believer in the Rebellion, like he was in Rogue One. At the start of the show he's not interested in joining the Rebellion, but his experiences throughout the show changes him. I think Nemik's manifesto as a plot device shows this pretty effectively.

  • @jesterssketchbook

    @jesterssketchbook

    Жыл бұрын

    @@thumos Andor's that guy who murders a crippled man (who just helped him) in his first scene in Rogue One right? yeh i cant say i really identify with him either lol

  • @chairmanJackie
    @chairmanJackie Жыл бұрын

    The visuals in Andor definitely reminded me of Dennis Villeneuve's Blade Runner 2049 and Dune. But while those films had big grandiose shots, Andor takes that style and gives it more ground perspective.

  • @LoisoPondohva

    @LoisoPondohva

    Жыл бұрын

    It's not as much of a difference between the two. Yes, BR and Dune do have huge grandiose shots, but most of them (not all, but most) are connected to the characters perspective. More so in Dune. There are establishing and overview shots, but we see Atreides ships coming out of the water from Paul's perspective, we see Arrakeen for the first time from the ornithopters, same as we see the worm, same as the two big wide shots of battle for Arrakeen are shown looking "over the shoulder" of Duncan's ornithopter and from the perspective of Paul and Lady Jessica. So I believe Villeneuve understands and uses that perspective method quite well too.

  • @GeorgeThoughts

    @GeorgeThoughts

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@LoisoPondohva Absolutely! And I love Villeneuve for it. I also wanted to mention 2014's Godzilla which is another movie I love for its artistic style and very grounded cinematography. They capture the scale of these behemoths by always placing the camera where a human could be. In a skyscraper, on the ground, in a helicopter etc. But this won't be a coincidence, because Godzilla was directed by Gareth Edwards who directed Rogue One which is the inspiration for Andor. Andor is also written by Tony Gilroy who wrote Rogue One as well!! We've come full circle on the cinematic excellence scale.

  • @engincanavc5925

    @engincanavc5925

    Жыл бұрын

    Scrolled down to the comment section to say this. Found out its has already been said. Respect o7. Ps: Haven't watched Andor yet but looking at the scenes Thomas showed, it was more than enough to give Vileneuve aesthetic.

  • @Native_Creation

    @Native_Creation

    Жыл бұрын

    Definitely has the vibes, it also has some of the cast - the guy ringing the clock bell and of course Skarsgard were both in Dune.

  • @Leitis_Fella

    @Leitis_Fella

    Жыл бұрын

    You motherfuckers with your Villeneuve comparisons are gonna make me sell my soul to the Mouse just to watch this show.

  • @enlightened_gk6602
    @enlightened_gk6602 Жыл бұрын

    I love how they get some sort of scifi 70s feeling like in the first STAR WARS movie! It's hard to describe but it feels like 70s technology in modern time ....like in the court scene

  • @RozWBrazel

    @RozWBrazel

    Жыл бұрын

    not just for the 70's feel, realistically a colony (and the people in them) are far and away from the resources needed for anything fancy, so naturally only the higher offices of the imperials have all the Apple Store aesthetic, and the hard-scrabble colonies make do with older and/or practical equipment and machinerythat's cheaper and easier to fix/maintain.

  • @onemorechris

    @onemorechris

    11 ай бұрын

    i think it helps that the Barbican building referenced at the start of the video is a late 1960s building created with ideas of what people expected of the future at the time. it’s a futuristic building…but from 50 years ago :) fits perfectly with the star wars look

  • @Desnes7

    @Desnes7

    11 ай бұрын

    Yep

  • @FreelancerAlpha1-1
    @FreelancerAlpha1-1 Жыл бұрын

    What I love immensely about Andor is that the rebels are not just these goody two shoes but they are actually desperate and will do questionable things to start a rebellion.

  • @PiercingSight
    @PiercingSight Жыл бұрын

    Andor is, by far, my absolute favorite piece of Star Wars media. It makes the universe of Star Wars real and empathetic in a way that none of the big production spectacles ever could. The casting, acting, cinematography, lighting, dialogue, pacing, VFX, editing, music, and so on and on... ALL of it is completely cohesive and lends itself to the most impactful version of the Star Wars world I've ever had the pleasure of experiencing. I'm definitely going to rewatch it after seeing the season finale tonight.

  • @lupolinar

    @lupolinar

    Жыл бұрын

    ..and even Storm Troopers are scary now.

  • @gospelofrye6881

    @gospelofrye6881

    Жыл бұрын

    I think it lacks the economy of storytelling of ESB. It's hard to compare, I know, but ESB is still the benchmark for me. Andor still has some odd choices and over-reliance on our own cultural biases and norms, which ESB doesn't. Andor has baddies wearing jodhpurs like Nazis (but in a horseless culture), people saying "aficionado" (in a culture without Spanish bullfighting), and actors who are Indian wearing clothes that look a bit more Indian than everyone else's clothes... i.e. the showrunners are relying on our brains to make quick connections rather than doing actual worldbuilding. The way Mon Mothma's husband is obviously a bit of an asshole because he affects a vaguely Japanese hairstyle is an interesting one... you might not consciously think of him as a wannabe/tryhard/poseur just because he's white but dresses and does his hair Japanaese... but your brain did. ESB is very good at not relying on cultural tropes and cliches at all. Lando is "dodgy/untrustworthy" from the start because he's super-smooth with Leia, not because he's black or dressed a certain way. Yoda does not have any particular human cultural attribute, he's just designed to look as least like a grand master as possible... he is a green bug-eyed alien, which we normally dismiss, of course... Boba Fett doesn't lean into Nazi imagery like Vader at all, he's just still and faceless (ie only in it for the money). And so on...

  • @kriysixvector4552

    @kriysixvector4552

    Жыл бұрын

    @@lupolinar they were scary in Rogue One.

  • @PiercingSight

    @PiercingSight

    Жыл бұрын

    @@gospelofrye6881 - I agree with your objective observations, I disagree with your valuations of them. Those mental shortcuts have been part of Star Wars since the OT. The storm trooper/nazi imagery especially. But more importantly, those mental shortcuts are effective in conveying the intended impressions visually, and are a sign of GOOD design. On top of that, even if those mental shortcuts were missing, the writing and acting in Andor is so good, that those shortcuts aren't necessary at all, but they do indeed help to amplify the feelings. While Star Wars does take place in a galaxy far far away, and there is room for arguments that there should be far more alien and out-there world-building, if the world is too alien it becomes difficult to empathize with the characters, and to put ourselves in their shoes, which, in most cases, is the main goal of good story writing. Something else you may have noticed about Andor is its huge lack of non-human aliens in the main cast. This is 100% intentional, and personally, I feel it was the best choice for the story they're trying to tell because if the cast were half composed of non-humans, then our ability to place ourselves in the shoes of the characters and empathize with everyone involved becomes difficult if not impossible. Granted, there should definitely be more alien main characters in Star Wars, however, they would have to be heavily humanized and given a great deal of expressiveness if we want them to have emotional weight as *characters* instead of what all alien creatures always end up being in movies and shows: either talking animals or incomprehensible dangers. Andor made the right choice, IMO.

  • @thomasel9171

    @thomasel9171

    Жыл бұрын

    @@lupolinar how?

  • @demonsarisingmetal
    @demonsarisingmetal Жыл бұрын

    I really liked all the liminal and interstitial spaces in the show, I think Coruscant has never felt more real than in this show and those spaces have been important in that.

  • @x--.

    @x--.

    Жыл бұрын

    Absolutely. Shot as if you'd shot a city that's lived in and known, not as a showcase to the SFX.

  • @SamS.7598

    @SamS.7598

    Жыл бұрын

    Coruscant actually felt like it was the capital of the Empire and the galaxy.

  • @officialmonarchmusic

    @officialmonarchmusic

    6 ай бұрын

    Coruscant was the only location that disappointed me because it didn't look like Coruscant. Too much concrete, and the way the light hit it just didn't look like Coruscant lighting. Everything else worked perfectly for me though, and the lower level where Luthen confronts the ISB spy was PERFECT. I guess that if this was what was needed to keep the budget toward other, more important things, then it's worth it, but honestly, I felt Coruscant at times, just didn't look like Coruscant

  • @rocketsetch
    @rocketsetch Жыл бұрын

    my favorite part about andor is how grounded it felt, it just really captured the feeling of actually being in star wars, for the first time ever in my opinion, the setting not only looked real, but it also immersed you in it as well.

  • @DanAndHoe

    @DanAndHoe

    3 ай бұрын

    Yeah, Coruscant in the prequels never felt like much more than a backdrop. It's alive now, as the focus is much more on the people on the planet instead of the scale. In the prequals shots of Coruscant showed a dense, planet-covering city, always showed the size of the skyscrapers and the endless traffic zooming by in tbe background. The shots are so much smaller now, focusing more on the people living there. The daily lives of normal people play a role. And that's with every planet. Why do some planets feel awfully empty yet have Empire presence? The people have been victims of genocide, or depletion of resources forced people to migrate elsewhere, or the Empire forced everyone into centralised hubs. It feels like the world is alive and doesn't solely exist for the main characters to move a plot in.

  • @dmfraser1444
    @dmfraser1444 Жыл бұрын

    In the early episodes of Andor I thought it was a bit slow like I perceive a lot of British made productions. I was thinking of not watching any more about episode 3. But I am so happy that I stuck with it. And while the show never had the sort of action to the degree of most other Star Wars productions, I realized that there was indeed a master story teller at work here. The ending of this season left me with as much impact New Hope gave me at the end. But deeper in so many ways. Deeper than most of the other SW movies and series. This was Star Wars for adults. Not for children or teens. This was made for people who have experienced life and not made as a live action cartoon show. I look forward to the next season and I hope the other Star Wars productions move in this sort of direction as well.

  • @pressrepeat2000

    @pressrepeat2000

    Жыл бұрын

    I felt the same. The show looked beautiful but the first three episodes didn’t do a great job in explaining to us why we should care about these characters. They came across as slightly annoying, at best, with some of the side characters in particular. But I’m happy I stuck with it because it got so much better, and in the end, we truly cared.

  • @BOO1101

    @BOO1101

    Жыл бұрын

    I thought almost the whole thing was quite slow, none of the characters felt more than surface level and frankly were really disappointing to me personally. The sets fell short too, but hey we all have different opinions.

  • @alexwinter3752

    @alexwinter3752

    9 ай бұрын

    @BOO1101 What are you even doing here

  • @Babbelbob1

    @Babbelbob1

    7 ай бұрын

    The slowness is actually something I love about British shows. I think speed is one of Hollywood's main issues nowadays

  • @DanAndHoe

    @DanAndHoe

    3 ай бұрын

    I didn't once think of the show as slow, but then again I often like British shows and feel like many American shows rely too much on action and explicit story beats to move the story forward. Also, my main interests in history are intelligence agencies, and I work for the government. Andor shows so well how corruption can cripple an organisation. Tiresome bureaucracy, officers focusing more on their own careers than the goal of the organisation, it's all very similar to my own experiences and stories from colleagues. Add the slow decent into totalitarianism and rebellion, and you have a show that ticks all topics I find interesting. Andor has implemented those complicated topics very well in my opinion, and it shows the kind of bureaucracy that's necessary to run a totalitarian Empire. And it shows the flaws such a bureaucracy would inevitably have. As a child who loved the battles and fights of the Star Wars movies I probably would have found Andor boring, but as you said: This is Star Wars for adults. Star Wars for people who have worked in a team, who've seen the infighting in an organisation and know that all conflicts are more complex than just good vs. evil.

  • @SioGG
    @SioGG Жыл бұрын

    To add onto this something that I love about this show is the humanization of the actual people in the Empire and it's not done in a "everyone has a good and bad side!", they are still bad guys but we see their human elements, like soldiers sitting down being "lazy" until a superior shows up and they act all proper. To me the superior showing up also represent the audience in the previous films and shows, it's the camera starting to roll so everyone is in position and acting, while in this show we're seeing the behind the scenes footage before the camera starts rolling.

  • @lordhoot1

    @lordhoot1

    Жыл бұрын

    Yeah I loved the bit on Aldhani where the Imperial guys were asking permission to watch the aurora. Just quite a pure thing for some of these horrible bastards to appreciate and want to see.

  • @colbyboucher6391

    @colbyboucher6391

    Жыл бұрын

    And it's contrasted by this being the first time we really see the Empire being the shitty fascist regime it actually is. Regular human beings being bigoted, not giving two shits about the sanctity of human life, developing the world's largest surveillance state and cops literally pulling the "hey why don't you calm down" at perfectly calm people trick. ...Specifically to round them up for prison labor. God I love this show.

  • @LucaResto

    @LucaResto

    Жыл бұрын

    Right, also the amount of ACTORS and not just those same bunch of faces which you re obliged to link to "mAiN hErO" or "bAd gUy": in Andor everyone seems havign something to say, everyone and every details feel alive. Obi Wan show did the opposite, like "who cares about people, HERE YOUR HERO BE FANATIC ABOUT IT" and stop, no space for giving a Spirit to world building and Story.

  • @Falesam

    @Falesam

    Жыл бұрын

    The empire is portrayed as normal people doing evil. Full of under-surveillance bureaucrats. Some are really evil, some are just existing in that machine. They try not to be proactive or competent, but only reactive, afraid of punishment. The oppression is inside the imperial machine as well. Actually at all levels from top to botton. Even the "apparent" subservience of Vader in relation to the Emperor is mirrored down in this evil machine.

  • @facemash

    @facemash

    Жыл бұрын

    I loved the interoffice power struggles in the ISB. Just constantly trying to one-up each other like you'd see in a real office.

  • @DannerBanks
    @DannerBanks Жыл бұрын

    "I'll worry about you all the time." "That's just love." First time I've cried in star wars show

  • @TroopThrowback

    @TroopThrowback

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes!

  • @CantankerousDave

    @CantankerousDave

    Жыл бұрын

    "Tell him i love him more than anything he could ever do wrong." Oof.

  • @dylans3833

    @dylans3833

    Жыл бұрын

    @@CantankerousDave Tell him he knows everything he needs to know and feels everything he needs to feel...

  • @thomasel9171

    @thomasel9171

    Жыл бұрын

    You are kidding,right?

  • @nura2106

    @nura2106

    Жыл бұрын

    I cry every time I hear this line

  • @DanielCrist
    @DanielCrist Жыл бұрын

    The elements of what it means to find yourself in the midst of protest and rebellion all feel extremely real. I've found myself caught up in the events of a military coup in Myanmar, and having been involved in the protests and in the periphery of the active rebellion and now being in hiding, the show felt more like a documentary than a chapter of Star Wars. I go could relate to each episode so much that I often find myself sobbing hysterically by the end of an episode because the reflection of my reality within this show is what made my reality actually feel concrete and real. Nothing about this show feels forced it fictional, it all feels very natural and organic. It's perfectly executed. I have to think that there are people on the crew who have lived through uprisings and rebellions because of this, and seeing the diverse cast from all different countries, it seems quite likely.

  • @itsjusttravis692
    @itsjusttravis692 Жыл бұрын

    One of my favorite things about Andor, The Mandalorian, and even the various Legends books and stories that focus on the "regular people" side of things, is that in doing so they indirectly make the big things seem much much more imposing. Like TIE fighters, things that Han Solo just flicks out of the sky easily are now these incredibly dangerous machines that take massive amounts of effort to overcome, a fact we see first hand when Luthen impresses everyone watching when he uses his wit, skill and technical prowess to escape a squad of them in his ship. And the Jedi become these almost god-like beings who are capable of molding reality in a way that makes the likes of Cassian Andor seem so much more mortal, which I think works to Star Wars' advantage. Like imagine the likes of Darth Maul being in the same room as Cinta for example? Such an image would make you feel exactly the level of terror that a regular person should feel when in the presence of a Sith, those demonic forces of the dark side. It shows just how powerful things are which we now find mundane, like Jedi and TIE fighters.

  • @MedlifeCrisis
    @MedlifeCrisis Жыл бұрын

    I can go one further, I not only used to work next to Barbican and had my graduation there, my wife works in Canary Wharf (also in Rogue One) and used to live in the Brunswick Centre (where Syril lives). Watching this was just a series of “I know that place!” moments. And I’ve been mountain biking at one of the other locations (although I didn’t recognise that). Really enjoyed the series, and your video!

  • @Balthorium

    @Balthorium

    Жыл бұрын

    Look up Buzludzha Monument. It also appears in Andor.

  • @wobber17

    @wobber17

    Жыл бұрын

    Always cool to see a familiar name in the comments, really enjoy your videos!

  • @theamazingwhaleshark4478

    @theamazingwhaleshark4478

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Balthorium Andor is shot entirely within the UK so Buzludzha Monument doesn't appear. If you're thinking about Ferrix bell tower it's an original set piece designed by the team. A Star Wars film shot at the Buzludzha Monument would be cool though.

  • @Balthorium

    @Balthorium

    Жыл бұрын

    @@theamazingwhaleshark4478 I remember where they shot it but the set piece they built looks like it drew inspiration from the Eastern European monument.

  • @wanyekest6969
    @wanyekest6969 Жыл бұрын

    It’s really an incredible show. So it’s always irritating to hear people say it’s “boring” because there isn’t enough action, lightsabers or cameos…

  • @itsd0nk

    @itsd0nk

    Жыл бұрын

    More space wizards, laser swords, and furbies! Too much talking!! /s 🤣

  • @denebaguirre3597

    @denebaguirre3597

    Жыл бұрын

    Actually this may help to look more epic the moment lightsabers or cameos appears in the serie.

  • @jaredsilvers2782

    @jaredsilvers2782

    Жыл бұрын

    Those are people who can't put their phone down for more than 5 minutes and therefore miss the little things that you have to absorb to understand and appreciate most great television. Sure in some parts it's a little slow, you can say the same thing about Better Call Saul, parts of Breaking Bad, The Sopranos, The Wire, you know, the best TV shows ever made.

  • @rawwad

    @rawwad

    Жыл бұрын

    I have more issue with that it doesnt feel like star wars anymore, one of the reason is exactly what this video describes, the magic of galaxy far far away is disappearing with too much grounded approach and usage of too much stuff and locations from earth :/

  • @juanaq

    @juanaq

    Жыл бұрын

    @@rawwad i get what you say, but at the same time getting far from the constant magical spectacular mystical nonsense (in terms of plots, landscapes, cinematography, etc) it's for me a welcome mouthful of fresh air. the sheer lack of stupid humouristic characters is so liberating! and (again, for me) the only way to return to a franchise that seems to be more than spent, drowned in it's own silly attempts to please old fans, new fans, adults, toddlers, studio executives, merch factories and comiccon goers at the same time.

  • @kolowski13
    @kolowski13 Жыл бұрын

    I really love the sounds of the tie fighters *Screaming* across the sky above the crew. It really makes them a threat instead of just fodder. Also your final point perfectly encapsulates the reason why Andor is so fantastic compared to the rest of recent star wars. It is a well made show and story that *happens* to take place in stars wars, you could transplant the entire story to another universe and it would still hit as hard.

  • @Viljarms

    @Viljarms

    Жыл бұрын

    That makes it a lot less "Star Wars" though, which is not a good thing for people who happens to like Star Wars.

  • @LexYeen

    @LexYeen

    Жыл бұрын

    @Viljarms I like Star Wars and I like Andor because of how it's a story that _could_ work in another setting but happens in the Star Wars setting, so... maybe speak only for yourself.

  • @DanB-qy9os

    @DanB-qy9os

    4 ай бұрын

    ​@@Viljarms The entire show is based around Rebels and the Empire. It demonstrates the strength of the Empire, and shows how rebels fought against that strength. I would argue that it is definetly star wars enough, it shows us a different part of the rebbelion, not just the jedi and sith.

  • @starrothejanitor5488
    @starrothejanitor54886 ай бұрын

    Andor does a great job at making the Star War universe feel more functional and alive. Everything from the phone booths to the bus-style repulsor craft make it feel more realistic.

  • @yolanda_pchy
    @yolanda_pchy Жыл бұрын

    Andor’s cinematography looks visually striking so is its production design. Thank you so much for sharing this show, should add to my watchlist🙌

  • @chasehedges6775

    @chasehedges6775

    Жыл бұрын

    The production design and cinematography are 10/10

  • @tylerm4405

    @tylerm4405

    Жыл бұрын

    @@chasehedges6775 Yeah production design has always been a strong suit of Star Wars tbh but it just feels like they REALLY paid attention to it in this show. The sound design is also incredible, I have never found a TIE fighter as intimidating as it was in episodes 3 and 4

  • @krioni86sa

    @krioni86sa

    Жыл бұрын

    Where can I watch Andor? It is not on Netflix

  • @jackbeynon8980

    @jackbeynon8980

    Жыл бұрын

    @@krioni86sa It's Disney+

  • @AskAW

    @AskAW

    Жыл бұрын

    I'm jealous of anyone who hasn't seen Andor because it is such a great series. Please don't ruin it by watching too many videos about the project.

  • @MagicPeaceLove
    @MagicPeaceLove Жыл бұрын

    Andor is a work of autopoiesis, a deep experiential dive into both the grinding, repressive bureaucracy of fascism and the awakening of the consciousness of resistance and rebellion. It's the most mature Star Wars ever but it's standing on the shoulders of giants and benefits from a lot of "referential density" (knowledge of previous Star Wars works, including 45 years of worldbuilding). By creating a newly complex and embodied understanding of, say, how the Empire functions, Andor is also redefining and expanding our relationship with all other SW films and shows, past and future.

  • @nickrd182

    @nickrd182

    Жыл бұрын

    not expanding my relationship with the sequel trash....only expanding my hope they are supplanted by filming of this quality!

  • @Mindstangle

    @Mindstangle

    Жыл бұрын

    My goodness the way you mindless consumers try to justify your meaninglessness, like a 5th grader trying to pad a paper about the ecosystem and seem smarter than he is. Autopoiesis? Really? What do you find extraordinarily/self-creative about Baby Yoda, Jar Jar Binks, or the fact that the movies you love enough to think this much about expound the exact same political narrative you push on Twitter? Do you think any intelligent person shares your interest? You can see that no woman your age would have you, your golden years are the Marvel years, I guess. Do you think it is smart to be so interested in literal political propaganda? What is the purpose of propaganda? Enjoy magicians and Star Wars, old man. Your death cannot occur soon enough. Marred is life by the many-too-many - that's you! You know what's funny? You are the fascist! Maybe spend less time in a thesaurus and more time justifying your existence. Oh, and you use cheese pizza emojis. Yeah, that checks out.

  • @LeahLuciB

    @LeahLuciB

    Жыл бұрын

    It's underestimated how useful that is, and how few franchises are so ubiquitous that they don't need to explain basic facts. Even people who have never seen Star Wars know there's an empire and a rebellion, space ships, a Death Star, how droids behave. They've seen a clip and heard friends talking abut it. My wife was raised in a cult, sheltered from damn near everything, and even she knew basic facts about Star Wars. They had a lot of room to just tell a story and subvert expectations. While this could have easily worked as a non-Star Wars story, it's better for being one

  • @ermonski
    @ermonski6 ай бұрын

    Also about Ulaf's death. Many deaths we see in Star Wars are by Force powers, lightsabers, explosions, by the Death Star. But Ulaf's death in the prison episode was very real because he died by something common to us such as a stroke.

  • @jacobbarlow6098
    @jacobbarlow6098 Жыл бұрын

    Fun fact: the can used to hold the milk in the campfire scene 4:12 is actually a seamen container. My dad noticed that and he wouldn't stop laughing.

  • @Stubbino

    @Stubbino

    3 ай бұрын

    I think your dad's pulling your leg there. It's actually a Kelly Kettle (it goes by several names). The hole in the bottom is for putting in things like twigs and dry leaves (ie, easy to scavenge loose debris) to heat the contents of the kettle.

  • @brynmcclennan973
    @brynmcclennan973 Жыл бұрын

    As someone who has no nostalgia over star wars since I only recently watched everything, I have to say Andor is my favourite piece of content within the star wars universe.

  • @sanmo3057

    @sanmo3057

    Жыл бұрын

    try watch Attack of the clones 😁

  • @bikesrcool_1958

    @bikesrcool_1958

    Жыл бұрын

    My favorites for the movies are episodes 1-6 plus rogue one. (I love rogue one with a passion) favorite show might be andor. I don’t compare the shows with the movies because you can’t get everything you need in one movie without it being really long, (unless it’s really good) and it’s just two different things :)

  • @sanmo3057

    @sanmo3057

    Жыл бұрын

    @@bikesrcool_1958 😁 mentions AOTC because the dialogue quality differences it have compared to Andor, where Nemik Manifesto, Luthen, Maarva and Kino monologue in the same universe with "i dont like sands" "youre in my very soul, tormenting me!"

  • @jakobbauz
    @jakobbauz Жыл бұрын

    I loved how they were staying with the marching musicians in the finale for a really long time. You're simply bathing in the suspense there; because the pros who made this show knew that they would have you at that point and that they could afford to linger - not only that: that it would make it so much better!

  • @CantankerousDave

    @CantankerousDave

    Жыл бұрын

    There's the shot of them at the end of the main street -- looking out over the Imperial line -- where there's a pause, silence, and then the music starts up again as the crowd marches forward. It's no longer a funeral dirge they're playing, but a battle hymn. Damn thing gave me chills.

  • @grproteus

    @grproteus

    Жыл бұрын

    the fact that we got this show from the same company that made obi wan is still unbelievable. The difference in quality is immense, and unfortunately it's very difficult to believe that the Empire in Andor is the same Empire with all the awful, cartoony characters from Obi Wan.

  • @skyrerite7734

    @skyrerite7734

    Жыл бұрын

    @@grproteus Different director do change things a lot

  • @MinurielLai

    @MinurielLai

    Жыл бұрын

    That funeral scene (and the riot following) almost had me in tears because it feels like I have lived side by side with these characters and I can't see them be hurt but I can also see how it's impossible to stay silent and obedient- this show is sooo good.

  • @alexroselle
    @alexroselle Жыл бұрын

    "Andor" felt like the first Star Wars for grown-ups* since Empire Strikes Back, and I loved it. Can't wait for Season 2 and I hope we get more like it. *The Last Jedi tried, I would argue, but didn't pull it off while Andor absolutely did

  • @TheNorthie

    @TheNorthie

    Жыл бұрын

    I’d argue the Force talk did, some of the Resistance stuff works as well. But I get that, Andor was able to execute everything better than TLJ and most other SW projects

  • @officialmonarchmusic

    @officialmonarchmusic

    6 ай бұрын

    First since Revenge of the Sith to me. Last Jedi tried but didn't even come close. It failed to grasp even a basic understanding of the universe

  • @toddmusic
    @toddmusic Жыл бұрын

    Andor has gotten me back into Star Wars. A stunning show.

  • @brandonhamilton833
    @brandonhamilton833 Жыл бұрын

    Andor is amazing. It's dialogue, it's character development, it's filmography, it's absolutely amazing.

  • @itsd0nk

    @itsd0nk

    Жыл бұрын

    Cinematography* Filmography is a list of films someone has worked on, but I agree 😋

  • @brandonhamilton833

    @brandonhamilton833

    Жыл бұрын

    @@itsd0nk haha! Thank you, love me some good sci fi but tbe field i work in is far removed! Seriously though, AMAZING science fiction!

  • @she_who_dares9713
    @she_who_dares9713 Жыл бұрын

    Andor is one of the best TV series this year, no doubt.

  • @peterstedman6140

    @peterstedman6140

    Жыл бұрын

    Yeah, not just best Star Wars, but one of the best shows in general this year.

  • @liamphibia

    @liamphibia

    Жыл бұрын

    It might've not gotten a ton of house hold views, but those who did admit that it *is* the best SW show.

  • @johannesstampfer1124

    @johannesstampfer1124

    Жыл бұрын

    its the best

  • @drewlehman2456

    @drewlehman2456

    Жыл бұрын

    In terms of all TV series this year, I PERSONALLY feel that Better Call Saul takes the cake but this has also been very very good. definitely at the very top of the list of shows this year.

  • @nickblank5712

    @nickblank5712

    Жыл бұрын

    What was the best part? was pretty boring for me, fell asleep a bunch

  • @marvinn6044
    @marvinn6044 Жыл бұрын

    3:31 I noticed this with Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul aswell. This focus on details, things you can hear and see. It's so satisfying to watch/listen to.

  • @wizzroom
    @wizzroom Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for articulating and breaking down why Andor is such a good show in a way us laymen can't quite put our finger on. As I was watching, I was reminded of the lived-in, gritty feel of movies like Aliens, Blade Runner and a lot of pre-modern CGI cyberpunk sci-fi of the 80s and 90s.

  • @Steve_Hickman
    @Steve_Hickman Жыл бұрын

    What feels completely foreign, especially for Star Wars, is actually caring for the characters. Not just superficially, as in rooting for or against someone based on who they side with, but because you care for them on an emotional level since we can empathize or understand the decisions they have to make. It's something that Star Wars hasn't had much success with in the past but with the writing and characters that _Andor_ has given us, there are going to be calls for more mature series like this.

  • @peterstedman6140

    @peterstedman6140

    Жыл бұрын

    No kidding. In the finale when Grasso attacked the Imperial soldiers with Maalva's brick, I cared so much. I wanted Grasso to be selfish for once and protect himself, but I also couldn't deny the character his choice to resist. Probably my favorite Star Wars media in the last 30 years.

  • @CramcrumBrewbringer

    @CramcrumBrewbringer

    Жыл бұрын

    @@peterstedman6140 Brasso*

  • @peterstedman6140

    @peterstedman6140

    Жыл бұрын

    @@CramcrumBrewbringer haha yes. Brasso

  • @lx-icon

    @lx-icon

    Жыл бұрын

    Definitely! One thing I thought was so interesting as well is how the show set us up to care about Dedra Meero - many of us have been in jobs where we're under-appreciated and have shitty colleagues, and trying to climb the work ladder in spite of the challenges. It's such a HUMAN experience to go through... only for the show to brutally remind you that Dedra is a TEEEERRIBLE person by torturing Bix. Dedra has no empathy, and thrives as a result - because the Empire's bureaucracy doesn't reward people for caring.

  • @barkley8285

    @barkley8285

    Жыл бұрын

    ive cared emotionally about characters since I was 3 years old. What the fuck are you talking about? Anyone who watches star wars emotionally cares for and roots for luke, han, and leia.

  • @MrGrannyStylez
    @MrGrannyStylez Жыл бұрын

    I thought exactly the same. The real environments made the city feel more alive.

  • @chasehedges6775

    @chasehedges6775

    Жыл бұрын

    I agree. It feels real enough to be like out World but fictional enough to be in another place, just as Lucas wanted it to be.

  • @CantankerousDave

    @CantankerousDave

    Жыл бұрын

    The sheer size of the Ferrix main street set is nuts.

  • @homiedclown

    @homiedclown

    Жыл бұрын

    One of the things about a show like Obi-Wan Kenobi that stuck out immediately to me, was just how clean everything was, especially the clothing. Just look at the very first episode when the inquisitors arrive. You have all these people, stuck on a hot desert planet, and yet every single one of them is wearing clothing that is clean and new. Nothing is frayed, stained, ripped, threadbare etc, nothing looks worn. Hell, the *sand* in the city is clean, it's far too neat and tidy. Even the tables in the bar are squeaky clean, not even a grain of sand on them. No one is sweaty or dusty, the whole thing LOOKS like people in clean costumes just walked onto a polished set 5 minutes earlier. In Andor, the streets on Ferrix are dirty and cluttered, shit is just lying around everywhere, the clothing looks weathered, the place looks lived in, and the actors and extras look like they live there. It has a verisimilitude that Kenobi lacks, and all of that is before we even get to the location shooting in Andor vs the over-use and poor application of the Volume technology in Kenobi.

  • @rawwad

    @rawwad

    Жыл бұрын

    and less star wars, it doesnt feel anymore like galaxy far far away, when you see too much real world environments, stupid props like Ak47, real goat 🤦‍♂ I want to scream in moments like that. The very first thing he pointed out is one of those that totally threw me off, when I see some of those details like railing or real lamps that I saw hundreds of same in real life, they magic is gone. Its not star wars anymore, it feel like dystopian future from earth :/

  • @12stack73

    @12stack73

    9 ай бұрын

    @@rawwad Your opinion is just wrong, thats it, Andor is a gem and now go watch your stupid "starwars". Andor is more like original trilogy then all the other new garbage for no brains and kids with attention span of a baby.

  • @juneinblack
    @juneinblack Жыл бұрын

    The bit about the sensory details was so on point. I was really to put into words why the show feels so real and lived in, and the tactile nature of it all is exactly why. So well put!

  • @Logan_Gordon
    @Logan_Gordon Жыл бұрын

    I wasn’t going to watch andor after being disappointed with half of kenobi and all of boba fett, but I gave it a try because of this video and I’m so glad I did. Andor was fantastic. Every single episode was so well done, and the points you made during this video are spot on. I honestly dont know how they knocked this show out of the park and flubbed on the others. Thanks for giving it praise or else I wouldn’t have watched it

  • @porc1429
    @porc1429 Жыл бұрын

    This has convinced me to watch Andor. When I was watching the trailer months ago, I was hesitant because Star Wars Disney stuff just isn't that good now. But I was impressed by how real the world looks and the cinematography. I'll finally check it out

  • @tedcannefax6043

    @tedcannefax6043

    Жыл бұрын

    First two episode are slow set up Third episode delivers then it start another three episode arc and so on

  • @skemsen

    @skemsen

    Жыл бұрын

    I felt very much the same way. I’ve been really impressed and positively surprice by this show. Hope you will enjoy too

  • @soondslash

    @soondslash

    Жыл бұрын

    andor is 100% the best show of the year, highly recommend it

  • @zdude11

    @zdude11

    Жыл бұрын

    @@tedcannefax6043 3 episode cycle/pacing actually makes it better for me tbh. It accents the moments of action by providing character contextualization and world building that makes it more valuable.

  • @GaryBonaducci

    @GaryBonaducci

    Жыл бұрын

    porc, when you finish watching Andor you might also enjoy this video about Andor's architecture and cinematography. Caution, because there are some minor spoilers in the video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/molorsijkdS8ZbA.html

  • @ProdCritic
    @ProdCritic Жыл бұрын

    There are a handful of works that transcend their medium & exist as part of the greater collective artistic standard. S1 of Andor has become one of those works alongside seasons from The Wire, Breaking Bad, Mad Men etc... I have been a critic & journalist for years & I can confidently say the level of artistic intent & execution on display in Andor is absolutely phenomenal. As counterintuitive as it may seem, my fear is that because it exists as part of a large IP it will risk being overlooked or underappreciated.

  • @rodneynoriel1528

    @rodneynoriel1528

    Жыл бұрын

    Netflix Daredevil did the same.

  • @seanc1105

    @seanc1105

    Жыл бұрын

    My fear is that is will be hijacked by the woke tyrants and turned into social propaganda once it excellent writers, producers and directors have earned and achieved a large invested audience.

  • @TranOfficial

    @TranOfficial

    Жыл бұрын

    @@seanc1105 There's only 1 more 12 episode season (for better or worse) so hopefully it won't come to that

  • @systemofaslipstatic
    @systemofaslipstatic Жыл бұрын

    I can't explain how much I enjoyed this show, I had no idea it would become my favorite starwars show. Even the mandalorian is going over the top now with to many cameos.

  • @ponybottle
    @ponybottle Жыл бұрын

    Very much agree with your analysis. Another benefit in setting the characters in a real environment is the acoustic signature provided by the natural echoes of such an environment and subliminally experienced by the viewer as a consequence.

  • @skaldi8347
    @skaldi8347 Жыл бұрын

    I think the pieces about theme and destiny are recontextualized in Andor through Syril's story. Syril is the Luke Skywalker of this show; he begins normal and banal - the son of an overbearing mother who has taken a job as a low ranking corporate security officer. The inciting incident of his Hero's Journey is Cassian murdering the two men at the beginning. This sets of a chain of events that puts Syril in a constant stream of impossible and dangerous scenarios. He is forced to sacrifice everything, his career, his future, his relationships in order to do what he believes is the right thing; bringing a terrorist and murderer to justice. He never gives up on his quest to do what he knows is right, and in the final episode even gets to save the girl. This flips our normal understanding of heroism on its head because we the audience know Syril is a bad guy who has chosen the side of tyranny. But this shows how we are all the heroes of our own story, and the monomyth of destiny can apply to to the other side as well.

  • @soondslash

    @soondslash

    Жыл бұрын

    thats a great insight

  • @errhka

    @errhka

    Жыл бұрын

    I noticed this as well - I really hope they take him further next season and I'm really interested in how his relationship with Deidre will develop

  • @loganhurley4764

    @loganhurley4764

    Жыл бұрын

    Exactly. Stating the obvious, it can also be said that Cassian Andor is the Han Solo of this story: small-time criminal who reluctantly joins the rebel cause. And he’s got his signature blaster.

  • @CantankerousDave

    @CantankerousDave

    Жыл бұрын

    The tragedy is that he genuinely doesn't know about Dedra's interest in torture via mixtape or ability to casually order the murder of a prisoner. He thinks that she and the ISB are defenders of law and order, not the ruthless boot of a fascist regime. I'm thinking that he'll realize that in season 2 and will have to make a choice, and that will make for a good story.

  • @theoutlook55

    @theoutlook55

    Жыл бұрын

    Well said.

  • @MegaClogger
    @MegaClogger Жыл бұрын

    Wow that finale was everything. 2024 can't come soon enough

  • @chasehedges6775

    @chasehedges6775

    Жыл бұрын

    It was fantastic

  • @relicx3933
    @relicx3933 Жыл бұрын

    This show was an absolute masterclass. I learned a LOT from what you had to say about the production. It's amazing how much further perspective will take something. I loved how grounded the show felt.

  • @saufai74
    @saufai74 Жыл бұрын

    I’m obsessed. This is THE best Star Wars content ever made. The character development, depth of relationship development, acting, sounds, set design, plot, nuance, every detail so beautifully done. Empire strikes back is second but this is by far my favorite. Well done Thomas. I really enjoyed your analysis. Thank you.

  • @jacobandersen6075
    @jacobandersen6075 Жыл бұрын

    Not to mention the dialogue. Seriously, every piece of dialogue in this show is as gripping, gritty, and real as the action sequences. 10/10 writing.

  • @jiji7250
    @jiji7250 Жыл бұрын

    it really was a suprise that they made this show with so much love, just by the first trailer you could tell it was definitely a higher quality show compared to other shows

  • @EPICFAILKING1
    @EPICFAILKING1 Жыл бұрын

    0:54 that shot was filmed in the next town over from me, a seaside town in NW England called Cleveleys. Looks almost the exact same as the actual town, and the VFX mix together perfectly with it. One thing that is especially funny/ interesting to locals is they have made the Vue Cinema (in the background) into a cool citadel type structure, and also the three elderly looking aliens sat on the bench with their walking sticks - Cleveleys to locals of the area is known as a town of old people.

  • @Solarstormflare

    @Solarstormflare

    2 ай бұрын

    thanks for sharing!

  • @JamesSoult
    @JamesSoult Жыл бұрын

    Every time I walk out Canary Wharf Station on the Elizibeth line I am always reminded of this scene outside the Imperial Security Bureau. They mixed the real location perfectly with the CGI portions.

  • @spugesdu
    @spugesdu Жыл бұрын

    As a Londoner it was an absolute thrill to see the Barbican doubling for my favourite planet in cinema.

  • @scarlettmi
    @scarlettmi Жыл бұрын

    I'd say it's better than a bunch of pre-Disney Star Wars as well. This show manages to deliver on so much of the political intrigue that Lucas stumbled with in the Prequels as well. It's just a wonderfully made series.

  • @FlameQwert

    @FlameQwert

    Жыл бұрын

    this. it executes almost to perfection both the intrigue part but also importantly the ideas that Lucas was trying to get it (arguably going even further)

  • @craigsuber208
    @craigsuber208 Жыл бұрын

    I've been watching your videos for awhile now and have thoroughly enjoyed them without exception. I felt compelled to comment on this video because you skillfully captured what I feel about the Andor series with an almost eery exactness. I have told family and friends that Andor is the best piece of filmmaking in the vast Star Wars body of work in a long time; most certainly in the Disney era. Well written stories about well written characters is at the heart of all great cinema. The characters, be they villain or hero, are multidimensional and forces to be reckoned with. I was as horrified by the suggestion of an introduction of the Senator's teenage daughter to the son of an underworld boss and financier as I was by the barefooted terror of the prison that Cassian was banished to. You brought out into light so much of what I enjoyed in the series and made it a real joy to experience. Your mastery film criticism shines brilliantly and uniquely excellent in this age where we are inundated by a cacophony of videos by anyone armed with a camera and an opinion. Your work here has convinced me to become a patron for the first time.

  • @ThomasFlight

    @ThomasFlight

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the kind words and support Craig!

  • @zohanrock
    @zohanrock Жыл бұрын

    It feels like the whole of the star wars universe is the main character in Andor.

  • @sebastianvarela5658
    @sebastianvarela5658 Жыл бұрын

    This is very similar to what Alfonso Cuarón did with the third Harry Potter. A great use of perspective and also continuity, connecting the characters with the world using long takes and wide lenses.

  • @Chris-hx6tr
    @Chris-hx6tr Жыл бұрын

    I've really enjoyed how banal the show makes pretty much every person working for the empire appear through such subtle brushstrokes. As you said, we see them eating snacks, but also making mistakes, hesitating, slacking off, and being generally just very unlike the unflinching and unyielding force of natural supremacy that the empire wishes to brand itself as. Not only do those details make even very minor characters seem like actual people with whole lives outside the moments we meet them, but it also reminds us that at the end of the day any oppressive power depends entirely on the compliance of people who are probably not half as capable, intelligent, reliable, or even committed as they are expected to be. There's something monstrous in the commonness of evil acts in this show, yet it also makes the empire seem much less menacing and way more beatable. Also, I love it how unsexy every villain in Andor is. This is definitely not the type of series that ends up accidentally glamorizing fascism by making the antagonists seem intimidating and powerful up to the point of flattery and thus making them seem downright aspirational to viewers who are susceptible to fascist imagery. Even at their best, members of the empire in Andor are so banal and pitiful that I can't imagine anyone wanting to be like them in any capacity.

  • @ExternalDialogue

    @ExternalDialogue

    Жыл бұрын

    Yeah this is honestly my favourite part of the show, recontextualizing the oppressors as fearful paranoid cowards. That when they flex their power with massacres, arrests, indefinite sentences, etc, it is not brutal or cool, its utterly pathetic. As a small addendum i noticed that with the costume design, they made the imperials just look a lot more goofy. The officers suddenly have ridiculous flared pants. And with the acting, the imperial soldiers marching do so in a way that looks exaugurated and played up to a silly degree.

  • @geroni211

    @geroni211

    Жыл бұрын

    You know, I kind of disagree with the last point. I find Deidre (the isb woman) to be one of the most compelling villains I've seen in SW media so far. Her very humanity which makes her so imperfect also gives her a far more appealing personality. When you watch her, it doesn't only feel like a general in an opressive regime, she is also an expert at what she does, entirely dedicated to her beliefs and fighting to shine in a male-dominated field. That makes her, to me, a villain I found myself rooting for, despite what she was working towards. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean by "unsexy", sure, she isn't a very beautiful woman, but I think she is attractive in the Dom kind of way, and in the "person who is completely dedicated to her craft" kind of way, which I feel is a far harder kind of sexy to be in a villain, rather than overt sexualization.

  • @iamciril

    @iamciril

    Жыл бұрын

    Unsexy? I dunno, I find Denise Gough pretty sexy.

  • @Tore_Lund
    @Tore_Lund Жыл бұрын

    Same trick works in animations. A closeup of the character showing skin texture but the rest of the scene with a plain level of detail. And the character seems more real, just because of this single glimpse.

  • @JovianRecords
    @JovianRecords Жыл бұрын

    Normally, I’m turned off about people talking “about the thing”, but you do it in such an artistic way that makes your work art as much as the ART ITSELF! Beautiful work!

  • @ReivaxDralla
    @ReivaxDralla Жыл бұрын

    I would add that not only does andor focus on showing the locations from a character’s physical perspective, it also gives us their emotional perspective. Their reaction to the sight helps inform our understanding of the location as much as seeing it ourselves

  • @frappes_
    @frappes_ Жыл бұрын

    My only wish is that more people saw this masterpiece.

  • @wanderlust5270
    @wanderlust5270 Жыл бұрын

    This is such a fantastic commentary! I have watched so many movies and series accross the years, but despite the obvious, like the soundtrack or photography, it is not always easy to pinpoint exactly why some works have such an impact when we are just mere viewers. You helped me understand exactly why Andor was so interesting to watch, so thank you for providing such deep insight!

  • @pnwolivia
    @pnwolivia Жыл бұрын

    I love this channel, these are my favorite video essays, and this video, in particular, is absolutely wonderful. You articulate every point so well. I was blown away by Andor and how much I loved it.

  • @SapSapient
    @SapSapient Жыл бұрын

    This analysis was spot on. Thanks for explicitly identifying so many of the nuances that make this show effective. It's my favorite Star Wars content since Empire.

  • @LukasDamgaard
    @LukasDamgaard Жыл бұрын

    Fascinating that everything is from their POV. want to watch it again just to notice that fully. I also found it interesting how almost every scene and relationship was driven by distrust. at least for the first half of the show.

  • @elliott2513
    @elliott2513 Жыл бұрын

    Your comment about executives is spot on. I was an on-air radio jock for 10 years. Consultants always had to tell us what to play and when it play it. That really limited our ability to address our listeners wants and needs. Cool video my man, you made a lot of great points.

  • @MarkHoltze
    @MarkHoltze Жыл бұрын

    brilliant break down, really loved this series. The Tie Fighter in the mountains scene, with the sound perspective....PERFECTION!

  • @UserIsMad
    @UserIsMad Жыл бұрын

    I smile uncontrollably whenever thomas inevitably brings up sound design in his video

  • @moondustberries8171
    @moondustberries8171 Жыл бұрын

    ANDOR VIDEO HELLL YEAHHHH

  • @chasehedges6775

    @chasehedges6775

    Жыл бұрын

    Best STAR WAR show EVER!

  • @moondustberries8171

    @moondustberries8171

    Жыл бұрын

    @@chasehedges6775 I haven’t even watched ep 11+12 yet but I agree! this is what happens when talented and skilled people are given enough time to understand and work with each other.

  • @HarmonicWave
    @HarmonicWave Жыл бұрын

    This is now one of my favorite Andor related commentary videos. Excellent points and examples. You really identified some of what makes it such a quality production.

  • @darkphoenix2
    @darkphoenix2 Жыл бұрын

    Whenever something truly good comes along, I often find the description "It's a good (insert genre) that just happens to be (concept)". I did this with early seasons of The Walking Dead. It was a human drama that just happened to have zombies. Andor transcends what Star Wars has always been up to this point. If you find yourself rolling your eyes at a lot of the storytelling in Disney's recent Star Wars products, give Andor a chance. It's special.

  • @Tuaron

    @Tuaron

    Жыл бұрын

    It does make me wonder if Star Wars has actually been harmed (or at least held back) by bringing in people who are big Star Wars fans and trying to appeal to that demo (The Last Jedi seems to be one of the few other things that didn't care about that as much, then Rise of Skywalker overcorrected) - using Star Wars as a way to tell a story seems to work out so much better than than trying to tell a Star Wars story.

  • @dschehutinefer5627

    @dschehutinefer5627

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Tuaron Absolutely true. Many big modern franchises are harmed by what I personally call the "checklist effect" where the story was clearly decided by a committee going through a checklist of what they assume sells well to the broadest audience possible. This drains the actual writers of creativity and also results in some of the desired checklist points come off as half-assed or pandering. I totally agree that it would be much, much, much more desirable to just let the writers go ham and write stories they would like to see in the setting to expand the franchise instead of constructing whatever some suits think a Star Wars story needs to contain.

  • @henrylovespies
    @henrylovespies Жыл бұрын

    Aside from the amazing acting, refreshing story writing, compelling dialogue, pacing and well choreographed action I was really struck by how incredible the costume and set design was in Andor. Especially on Correscant with Mon and the ISB, really brought me into the world and made it feel so tangible and look so good. I really really enjoyed the show, it was a pleasant surprise.

  • @dsgb
    @dsgb Жыл бұрын

    Beautifully produced video. I appreciate the soft lighting, relaxed, low key presentational style and 21:9 aspect ratio to segue seamlessly into the Andor cut scenes. This is YouTubing at its professional best! 😍👍🏻 Oh and Andor is one of the greatest pieces of acting and cinematography in the entire Star Wars canon IMO.

  • @BojanBojovic
    @BojanBojovic Жыл бұрын

    I am amazed how people find locations for shooting, for my projects this is what I find the most difficult. Incredible work, visualizing the location and planning everything in advance.

  • @MoviesWithMatt
    @MoviesWithMatt Жыл бұрын

    Was hyping this show for a few years but I must admit it still managed to surpass my expectations. As you said in the end - its a suspensful sci-fi spy thriller, that also happens to be a Star Wars show. I think whenever the intention is to "just make a Star Wars project" or a "superhero film" it often falls flat. It is when the story and the genre come first and the context of it being within a specific franchise comes second, that the final product is usually great. It's noticeable in comicbook films like Logan, Joker and The Batman, I think they're genre pieces first, that just happen to be placed in the context of a comics.

  • @odin_191
    @odin_191 Жыл бұрын

    Great video! Perfectly put into words how I feel about this show. But I’m shocked you didn’t mention Mon Mothma once! Her scenes contain some of the most compelling and engaging dialogue I’ve seen on TV in a while. Guess you’ll just have to do another video on Andor when season 1 finishes 😁

  • @awolfeld

    @awolfeld

    Жыл бұрын

    ... or perhaps you find my politics too strong for your taste... *mic drop*

  • @auroralee3934
    @auroralee3934 Жыл бұрын

    More videos on Andor please!! I just cant get enough of it!!

  • @ThunderBlastvideo
    @ThunderBlastvideo Жыл бұрын

    THANK YOU for doing a video on this show. It's just insane

  • @whafrog
    @whafrog Жыл бұрын

    Thanks so much for articulating what I was feeling. Everything about this show is so different, thoughtful, and well executed...it's the story I didn't know I've been waiting for since first seeing E4 in 1977.

  • @kitkat1135
    @kitkat1135 Жыл бұрын

    this was such a wonderful video, thanks for summing up all the thoughts i had but couldnt seem to say!

  • @arthousecouch
    @arthousecouch Жыл бұрын

    The use of sensory details reminds me a lot of how TLOR and Dune used said details to build their worlds. It's really effective.

  • @gibn1542
    @gibn1542 Жыл бұрын

    From the beginning I got bladerunner 2049 and dune vibes from the production sets, the cinematography, directing, and then the characters started talking with dialogue that's game of thrones-level. I was whiplashed at how good this show & its visual storytelling was and couldn't even believe it for the first few episodes, continuing on I just knew that they were gonna stick the hell outta the landing for the finale and they did. So can't wait for the 2nd season.

  • @SnaptrixGaming
    @SnaptrixGaming Жыл бұрын

    Takes a ton of insight and communication with teams to be able to accomplish something like this. Truly spectacular

  • @moodeex3766
    @moodeex3766 Жыл бұрын

    Really appreciate your calm delivery

  • @juanpenagos
    @juanpenagos Жыл бұрын

    What a little masterclass in storytelling you've made. Love your videos. Saved to Essential Storytelling playlist!!!

  • @Shakespielberg
    @Shakespielberg Жыл бұрын

    This is the best review of Andor I've seen or heard... not rambling on about ratings or its story-line decisions or Disney politics... but explaining to us exactly Why it is So Damn Good. I'm so glad you put this out there for the world to hear. Hopefully this review will be seen by directors of all sorts who aspire to make Star Wars content. Andor is clearly one of The Best series-shows ever developed. I love it so much and am so grateful for its existence so that I can enjoy its story and its style, over and over again. I really hope season 2 retains the exact style of storytelling & directing that we have here. It will be truly Epic!!!

  • @uhvind
    @uhvind Жыл бұрын

    Great explanation of the use of subjective framing (instead of objective) as well as diegetic sound driving the realness of the environment. As an aspiring sci-fi filmmaker, this video is a gem! Subscribed. You're a great teacher mate.

  • @davidholaday2817
    @davidholaday2817 Жыл бұрын

    I honestly love the wide shots and I love the VFX shots. It adds to the world.

  • @NyimaWongchuk
    @NyimaWongchuk8 ай бұрын

    Nice video. And great lighting/colour/composition on your recording.

  • @howardron543
    @howardron543 Жыл бұрын

    I love Andor so much... This vid just made me love it even more

  • @chasehedges6775

    @chasehedges6775

    Жыл бұрын

    Same here. It’s the best Star Wars thing ever made

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