Your remarks on shooters (or anyone) that leave garbage... very much appreciated. My older boys watch your video series and one of them heard your remarks. He's organizing a clean-up of our range with his Boy Scout Troop now. Thanks for being a good example when so few are.

Honestly when people chase these optimal calibers it kind of makes me laugh a little. The entire point of us shooting long or medium range is the challenge with some of these standard military calibers. Shooting a laser beam literally takes away the whole point of why most of us shoot. Some guys just want to post the big numbers than chase the experience.

@blueridgeboy7721

2 жыл бұрын

I agree with that to an extent, but I plink long range 400/500 yards with a 22 long riffle for a challenge. My higher calibers are more specific an for good reason.

Thanks so much for this! It's exactly the info I've been looking for. And what you said about "trigger trash" was beautifully put, and something we all need to take to heart.

excellent video! filled in a lot of blanks about long range shooting. I'm was in the market for a long range rifle before i saw this video, gave me much needed info on my choices. thanks keep the videos coming! great job!

great vid Bryce, this is something I had to learn on my own! which I am sure a lot of us have. You are a great representative of our sport ,so thx !

Thanks for an honest approach. Though you clearly have a preference, you did not rule one caliber out, you consistently gave the pros and cons for each, and acknowledged that they all have uses of some sort. Thank you.

@LongRangeShootersofUtah

6 жыл бұрын

Phangos is that not the case? If I need knock down a fatter heavier bullet at shorter range has the advantage. For what I do (PRS competition primarily) the 6 & 6.5 are far superior.

One thing in just making a shot and shooting to kill as a sniper. A .308 (7.62X51mm) (M40A5) has a 1:12 twist using a 175 grain SBTHP or M118LR and has the stopping power. When looking at barrel life, when you have a 1:10 twist with a standard civilian rifle, the barrel wear will be different than a barrel with a 1:12 twist. Additionally, the .308 (7.62X51mm) is adopted as the standard NATO cartridge for the military (DoDIC A011). There is no choice and we snipers learn how to use it effectively, unless you are in MARSOC and use the MK13 .300 Win Mag which uses the 220gr SBTHP. The 6.5X47 is accurate and ballistically better than the .308 when shooting paper, not people. I have used both and when going to 1,000 yards, the 6.5X47 is better for accuracy in shooting paper like I said. I have shot competition as well as being a sniper. Just my own 2 cents on this. (USMC/Retired)

@Ryan-jx4vh

5 жыл бұрын

Ummmm... Socom just switched to 6.5 creedmor over the 308. That argument is dead 💀

@Actuary1776

5 жыл бұрын

Ryan Davidson Not dead in the slightest. You pick the right caliber for the mission. I’m taking 308 anything 500 in.

@spartanhonor7538

5 жыл бұрын

@@Actuary1776 You have it right Bro, "You pick the right caliber for the mission." Holes in paper vs. Killing Bad guy Shooting at you. Different missions, different cartridges. I'm a .308 man, U.S.Army. Our Brothers incountry are requesting .308's for range and knockdown.

@1stmardivgrunt314

5 жыл бұрын

eddieg1979 : I hope you answer this back you might be who I'm looking to visit with. I also am a former grunt Marine (G2/7) from back in the day. I'm putting together a rifle that I can get back into shooting with. I've got everything picked out except the caliber of the rifle. I want to do "some" match shooting but not sure how much, but also some coyote hunting. I have no interest in the smaller rounds like 243 and 5.56. But .308 can turn a coyote inside out if you blow the shot placement. The point is, getting a read on deciding between .308 and 6.5 creed is really hard today because you can't tell if somebody knows their shit or not. I am not at your level obviously, but did shoot expert and had a lot of time with a rifle in my hands, along with shooting competitive pistol. Do you have any thoughts based on want I'm wanting to do? Semper Fi

@fireball676

4 жыл бұрын

Ryan Socom also bought the mk23. When you don’t have to consider barrel life, 6.5 is better after the 500 yard mark.. if you do have to consider barrel life, .308 wins all day. Honestly after owning 6.5 AR10’s as well as .308s... I’d avoid a 6.5 AR10. They are a pain in the ass as far as gas regulation and pressures. That and you gotta look at your purpose in using a precision semiautomatic... it’s smarter to opt for the better inside 500 yard route.

grateful video very helpful to a new shooter like myself as I'm trying to decide on my first long range rifle. Thanks for taking the time

Comments sections are sooooooo much more entertaining than the actual video

Spectacular video. Extremely well done. Brought a lot of facts into one presentation, cleared up a lot of fog on the topic. Thank you for doing it.

Well said Bryce.......All the ballistic info was great but I think the last statement about shooter trash was the best info you gave:)

I have been shooting for over forty years. I apprenticed under a gunsmith when I was a teen for 3 years hoping to make a career from that time. It became a serious pastime I am happy and sad to report. I served for 23 years, serving multiple tours in every corner of the world with all branches, and nations personnel. I retired earlier this year at E8 and both happy and proud to be here still today as a father, mentor and citizen. Reading through the comments, it makes me very happy to see how much great information (thank you LRSU) or bad is out there for all of us to benefit from in different ways. It makes me sad to see people argue over and convey ill feelings over a small topic such as trajectory, "rise", ballistics, gravity, etc. I admire our Constitution and respect our 1st amendment however behavior and rhetoric exercising that right, not only here but it so many other forums, damages our collective disposition to those seeking to degrade or usurp our 2nd amendment rights. My only opinion on the below comment regarding "rise"which might be just a difference of vernacular- please pause-think about what you write and how many people will see it-When you attach an icon such as US Army, or other orgs-it brings discredit to the organization via the negative and offensive commenting whereas when it is only a person's name it only affects one person. Quiet Professionalism goes a long way. Research and comprehension of the subject is paramount. I am not a physics expert. I am not probably an expert on anything I may have thought I was. I study, experiment, execute my craft. I make determinations based off facts(hopefully-when I have the luxury). A bullet WILL "rise" slightly leaving the muzzle-however it will NEVER rise above the axis of any barrel-unless you add wings for lift (-:-) That is a fact of physics. www.chuckhawks.com/bullet_trajectory.htm Hope this is helpful-and if I offended anyone-my days of debating are over-I only have my experience and some wisdom to offer. Thank you again to Brice and LRSU for having a great channel and information to share with us.

@seamusfischer3968

7 жыл бұрын

Feteasca Alba Either you like the grapes or you must be Romanian or from Moldova-a place some of my brothers have worked with the host nation military. Dale, I can appreciate your "stolen valor" comment. I feel the same, however I fall into the 1% by your statistics...I have no obligation to prove anything to you. If my comment somehow bothered you, I apologize. I was only interested in passing on information I have obtained throughout my military career and involvement with the shooting industry and to also say, leaving negative, profane comments brings discredit to yourself and your branch when you have an avatar or icon identifying a specific military affiliation. I did not intend to "comes to these comments" and spread misinformation or negative comments. Make no mistake Sir, my service to my country is 100% verifiable. Godspeed to you Sir and your endeavors.

@seamusfischer3968

7 жыл бұрын

Feteasca Alba self employed Easy does it Dale...no one was insulting you. Actually I googled your avatar name and found it was a grape variety used for wines grown in Romania and Moldova. I was hoping for a different reply so I could ask you about your drift-boats for fly fishing as I recently taught my daughter to cast...but considering your disposition...this has to qualify as the strangest dialogue I have ever encountered. I have been respectful to you. You are not interested in reciprocation. Good luck to you.

@Yamdarnocnivek

7 жыл бұрын

Seamus Fischer Thank you for being one of the few reasonable people in the comments section.

@CarlosSanchez-kd8et

7 жыл бұрын

Seamus Fischer great sr

@Mr.Schitzengigglez

6 жыл бұрын

Seamus Fischer thank you for your service, Sir. Also, thank you for sharing your considerable insight.

Thanks for the great video. I'm glad you mentioned about barrel life, most people neglect that detail.

A great video. VERY informative and well balanced. Thank you.

Hey, good stuff. Love the whiteboard - easy on the eyes and super well organized. Well done.

Good points. I thought that you were going to ignore energy, but you got there. Thanks for emphasizing the message about cleanup, it is going to take all of us to further the sport.

I didn't see it mentioned here because most people forget about it the 1st place. But the Swiss 6.5 X 55 is an extremely good cartridge for long range any in modern firearms can get a lot more velocity which means a straighter shot with less drop. Loaded to modern specifications it is not to be underestimated. But I still like my 6.5 Creedmore as well. Give all your shooting is 1000 to 1250 yards even a 30-06 can make the shot, serious hit in ballistic performance though, That would need a different set up. Such as maybe 45 minutes of angle in the scope Mount. Lol great video and you gained another subscriber. Thanks for taking the time to share the information.

Excellent presentation, very well researched, extremely well presented.

now I can hear it! thank you for the video.

Considering cost per round fired including ammunition costs and firearms maintenance (barrel life, etc), and the value of learning about wind drift and bullet drop compensation at long ranges, I'll stick with my "outdated" .308 thanks.

Just wanted to thank you very much for such a detailed in depth video.I keep a recording of it by my bed and recliner,you have completely replaced all of the sleep aids I use to have to take.I showed my sleep doctor your video and he will be contacting you about using it at his clinic.Thanks AgainSleeping Soundly

@LongRangeShootersofUtah

6 жыл бұрын

James Gordon BUUAAAHHAHAHA!!!! I’m dying! Best comment I’ve gotten.

That was very well done, a lot of info condensed. Kind of made the complexe easy to understandable.

Excellent presentation, sir. Very informative.

I shoot .308 and I love .308. However, it is not because it is ballistically superior to any true precision cartridge. I like it because it costs 55 cents per round and it works in short-action semi autos. It also has long barrel life. I can reload it with the same bullets as my 30-06 and .300 win mag. I look at it in terms of firepower per dollar. Plus, it really can shoot well even with the rainbow arc!

@LongRangeShootersofUtah

7 жыл бұрын

Can't argue with that.

@Heimdallr00

7 жыл бұрын

Hr BeStalkinMe ... Worrying about the cost of long-range performance is a little like worrying about the gas mileage you're getting with a 560hp BMW M6... If performance is your primary objective, the cost of getting it is secondary.

@hrbestalkinme3690

7 жыл бұрын

Heimdallr Right, thats why its not a true long range cartridge. It does offer good firepower per dollar, however.

@jpap967

7 жыл бұрын

I agree with what you said, but you won't get great precision out of 55 cent per round 308 ammo. sure, it will go bang and net you 2-3 moa or so, but if you want real accuracy you'll need to buy that $1 plus per round match 308 ammo, and at that point, you might as well be buying $1 per round Creedmoor ammo. I weaned myself off of 308 and for anything mid range, I now use 6.5 grendel (25 cents per round for steel case ammo, 68 cents per cheaper brass ammo, 80 cents for match ammo). Less recoil than the 308, similar ballistics for the most part, especially out at 600-800 yards, and fits in an AR15. As far as barrel life goes, to me barrels are consumable items, replacing them is no biggie. As for reloading, I have a feeling that soon 6.5 bullet options will expand considerably as creedmoor has become a very popular option as of late.

@hrbestalkinme3690

7 жыл бұрын

jpap967 Right and I agree with you. However, I reload the brass from that 55 cent ammo into precise loads for when I need to reach out to 800 meters. 6.5 grendel is definitely a good round for the AR15 platform, but I want more down range energy. I'll probably get a 6.5 creedmoor setup some day if I don't go with 300wm

very week done thanks 4 taking the time to explain to us entry level guys.

Hey man, great video, very informative, you do a great presentation. I meant to say that first but got carried away with trivia.

Excellent, informative video

300 win mag for life! Because it’s loud, powerful, and it looks so damn sexy

@matthewlyness9692

4 жыл бұрын

7 mag as well!!!

@elcantrell3

4 жыл бұрын

Try 338 Lapua Mag

@stuckcase7775

4 жыл бұрын

215 gr Berger VLD in that round could be the most complete round ever devised

@colelockhart3349

3 жыл бұрын

True but 338 lapua looks better

@hugtango

2 жыл бұрын

8x68s was a monster

Great video about caliber abilities/selection related to LRS. I haven't looked up the down range energy of the listed rounds. I use the 185 Berger VLD out of my .308's and 300 WM for LRH deer and elk. By the way you guy's rock. I hope to make it out next year to get me a few stickers.

Very nice job Bryce. Please keep the videos coming.

AWESOME VIDEO GREAT COMMENTARY AND INFO!!!!

Great video very informational learned quiet a lot thx for sharing!

Really nice. Very objective and informative.

Great information and well presented. I'll bet it was a little bit difficult to erase that marker board, though. Thanks for posting. :)

I hate it when I see shot up tvs, toilets, beer bottles, etc. Normally I take with me a empty trash bag and fill it up. I actually was able to completely clean up one of the areas I like going to over a course of several months

@LongRangeShootersofUtah

7 жыл бұрын

Well done!

@BrianFrancisHeffron-1776

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@FreeBayArea

5 жыл бұрын

Keep it up

@guloguloguy

4 жыл бұрын

....THANK YOU!!!! YOU ARE ONE OF THE BEST, HIGH-INTEGRITY, ECO-FRIENDLY SHOOTERS!!!! BRAVO!!! WELL DONE, SIR!!!! =>w/MUCH RESPECT!!!!

@mrmidnight32

4 жыл бұрын

I hate when people I work with or shoot with talk about bringing their old shit like that. Then they come back and talk about all the “junk” and trash that’s out there. And how bad it’s getting 🤦‍♂️

Solid video!!

I just love .308 never shot the other calibers but I've shot and hit 800 yards nothing else I can really say

@mrmidnight32

4 жыл бұрын

Honestly when people chase these optimal calibers it kind of makes me laugh a little. The entire point of us shooting long or medium range is the challenge with some of these standard calibers. Shooting a laser beam literally takes away the whole point we shoot. Some guys just want to post the big numbers than chase the experience.

@colelockhart3349

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah i like how they try to compare 6.5 to 338 lapua at long range,,big difference is where it counts which is down range, the 338 is a sledge hammer compared to a mozzie bite 6.5 ...

@BurnDuration

3 жыл бұрын

Cole Lockhart agreed. At the same time, they are two very different tools. A cartridge like the 6mm creedmoor is really specific for PRS gun golf matches, and 338LM is for warfare.

Unless you're shooting over 1,000 yards, then anything .243 and above will do what you need

Outstanding. Thank you.

Great. Just a great video and a great man.

THANKS, FOR THIS VERY INFORMATIVE VIDEO TUTORIAL!!! [FYI: IMHO: YOUR AUDIO QUALITY NEEDS SOME IMPROVEMENT: (USE A GOOD MIC, MIXER, ETC., AS NEEDED)]

Excellent video Bryce, very well explained, wish I could shoot over there with you Guys Good stuff. Johnnywoo UK

Good vid, thanks!

You should make a video for guys transitioning out of .308 land. Maybe recommendations for which 6mm or 6.5 to go with and the pros and cons of reloading different 6mm vs 6.5? Just an idea.

Very nice informative video. About 15 years ago I bought a remington model 7. light deer gun 18 1/2 inch barrel I choose the 7mm-08. Because it was more accurate than a 308. Now we are down to 6.5 and 6 mm. My wife will kill me if I buy another gun. Kuddo's to you for a good and easy to follow presentation. Ihor

@charleswittmer2477

7 жыл бұрын

I use the mod 7 in 7mm08 as my texas stand gun because it is small. a long time ago my first deer gun was a browning blr in 308. it is also a good stand gun but the recoil is a little more than I like, although I shot it for 10-12 years. I loaded 30 cal 110 grn carbine bullets with 53 grn of 748 for many years to shoot almost I hole. it amazed my shooting friends. that is a very thin bullet for anything except whitetails. I quit using it when we got into hog control but it did kill a boar at about 40 yds I had mounted. Most of our shooting is less than 100 yds but occasionally it worked well out to 150 yds. I also have a mod 7 custom shop 257 Roberts that in my opinion is a very good cartridge for hunting texas whitetail. If I hit a shoulder it is a bad shot, even on hogs. Shooting paper is a completely different type of gun though and so should the cartridges be also. My second rifle in about 1971 was a rem adl in 243 with a redfield widefield in 2x7 for 202.00 at kmart and he let me pay it out. That rifle shot a lot of deer. Chest cavity deer shots with the 243 got to be a problem looking for the dead deer though. I have big guns also but recoil was never something I wanted a lot of. I may have 5 6.5x55 guns I like. As I grew older shot placement got a lot more important and the calibers got smaller. the 7mm08 is just the gun I settled on for convenience but 223 and head or neck on bucks, shots makes sure you don't have to look for the animal. I agree bigger bullets do a better job on humane body shots on animals. but this is a paper shooting thread.

Glad I seen this. I was thinking about a 6.5 barrel but no anymore due to life..

@LongRangeShootersofUtah

7 жыл бұрын

Barrel life at 2500-3000 is pretty solid and that's assuming you're competing with it and running it pretty quickly. If you're just hunting, etc you could see barrel life of double that.

Good Vid guys.

Thank you for an informative, objective video. I particularly appreciate the whiteboard chart which certainly took a long time to draw. Snarky comments are out of place here. You have done the best job you could with the resources you had. Immense thanks, maybe some day I will shoot with you folks and lovingly get my ass kicked on the range.

Excellent video. Back here in the temperate forests of the flat land, we are lucky to see 200 yards, much less 1200 or 2000 yards. Sure love Utah though.

@LongRangeShootersofUtah

8 жыл бұрын

+Vince Resor Thanks for watching.

@thetruth3768

6 жыл бұрын

I KNOW. WHERE I GREW UP IN THE SOUTHEAST THE ONLY PLACE YOU COULD SEE 100 YDS WAS AT A FOOTBALL GAME

@Plainsimple67

4 жыл бұрын

@@thetruth3768 😂😂😂

Great vid.

very good vid I learned a lot , now I have to go out shopping

Excellent explanation. I've recently been looking into long range competition and ran into most of these questions. An additional thing I would mention is rules. Some competitions may restrict a 308 class letting you be competitive for less money. I believe F Class has a 308 only division. I've really been interested in PRS although I think I'll start with the Gas Gun series since I already do USPSA and Tac Rifle/2Gun. I figure I can use the same rifle with just a different optic for PRS and still be fairly competitive without a ton of upfront cost. Eventually like to move into the PRS Production division. I've been eying that MPA Production rifle.

Good old fashion M1A:) or 7mm for hunting.....but 6mm Creedmore is looking good. Great vid! Thanks brother!

Very well done. Very. Thanks.

Great video.

Great Video

GREAT video!

@LongRangeShootersofUtah

5 жыл бұрын

Thx

an excellent video. i have one opinion to offer about the differences in the calibers. so many shooters that start off into this and go .308 caliber use a fairly light grain bullet it seems. 150 or 175 even. if you wish to pay attention to the B.C. of what your shooting. it becomes apparent that size to some ( small) degree matters. the 6mm and 6.5 have many things on paper that put it out there. If you track your weight up higher in the .308 caliber however it will most likely translate into better wind handling. we're talking the 200 plus grain bullets. (makes you cringe for the target even time you hit it.) it's not necessarily a direct part of this video. very well laid out information and a big help for anyone that wants to get a long gun.

excellent VIDEO. interesting INFO. Thanks for posting

BC-Ballistic coefficient is everything. I haven't looked at the BC numbers in a long time but the best BC's start at 25,26 & 7mm. 120-140 grains. The 30 cal doesnt catch up until 200 gr. as I recall.

27:55 Well spoken!!

great video

Nice video, glad you touched on stability being the limiting factor of these cartridges however in my experience and according to my ballistic calculator the transonic ranges are a good bit shorter than the ones you gave. Still loved the video, very well put together.

@LongRangeShootersofUtah

8 жыл бұрын

+Aaron Ridgedell We have thin air due to our high altitude here. That could factor into it a bit but these were rough numbers.

Excellent!

People have been arguing ad nauseum about ballistics since what, the 1600’s.

@IHateYoutubeHandles615

5 жыл бұрын

That's because ballistics have been evolving since they were invented.

@PatriotPaulUSA

4 жыл бұрын

@@IHateKZreadHandles615 Exactly , I am exited about the new 300PRC and I thought we were done with 30 cal stuff after the 6.5Creedmoor set the world on fire ! Who knew? They are all fun.

Now you have a new 6.5 PRC .

i like the 25.06 for long range shooting. my father had a 243 my 25.06 always out performed the 243. does anybody in your group shoot a 25.06?

Let me save you half an hour. Outstanding ballistics due to BC. Outstanding penetration due to SD.

great video man, can you do a comparison of .300 WM .338 LM thanks!!

Hunting for anything in big Bear country, I will take a well constructed 30 caliber 165/180 grain bullet any day...

I shoot 308 love it I also shoot 300 338 win mag and 30 06 They all have their place nice vedio

Thank you very much for your work on this superb Video! Now I`am torn between the 6mm and the 6.5mm. The 6mm is the better caliber for Long Range Target Shooting but with the 6.5 I`am allowed to shoot bigger game than roe deer here in Germany. Hmmmm.... decisions to be made...

So the cycle is going back to a .243 like it was years ago? Funny how all things come and go and come back again.

@charleswittmer2477

7 жыл бұрын

wonder when a young person will pick up a 257 Roberts and try the new bullets and powders.

@thetruth3768

6 жыл бұрын

JUST PROVES HOW RIDULOUS ALL THE NIT-PICKING IS.

@colsoncustoms8994

6 жыл бұрын

caps lock much haha?

@philipk8314

5 жыл бұрын

@@charleswittmer2477 I'm 25 and looking for a one. Already got my cases 😊

@Plainsimple67

4 жыл бұрын

@@charleswittmer2477 A .257 ACKLEY IMPROVED. 😉👉

Great video Bryce! I can't wait to get out shooting with you guys!!

Another add in-308 Win and Leupold 4.5x14 Mark 4 --marriage made in heaven

Most factory 308 rifles have a 22 inch or shorter barrel. They 168 grain match loads rarely exceed 2650 FPS. Years ago in our long range rifle class the 168 federal match loads were going subsonic at 800-900 yards and tumbling at 1000 yards. The military “long range M188” sniper ammo now uses a 175 grain bullet and allows about 1100 yards before going subsonic. Depending on where you shoot the .308 may not be able to engage the targets beyond 11 yards at all. If the match is within 1000 yards the .308 can be a fine choice. You aren’t losing any accuracy and barrel life is a strong consideration.

If you have a savage action you can put a new barrel on without to much difficulty yourself and save some money. All you need is a barrel nut ranch and a reciever ranch and a go gage doesnt hert to have the nogo gage as well, there's some guys that just use an empty brass to set the head space. For a 300 Win Mag mount a 25' varmet barrel on there and the recoil is not that bad. Great video!

I think the big take away at long range in the angle of attack. When it comes to 6MM and 6.5MM they are coming into the target at a much flatter trajectory making those unknown range targets MUCH easier. As you said a much larger margin of error.

Glad to see the .243WIN getting some favorable publicity... I've shot that caliber in a Remington 700 (26") for years and it is very versatile... With 55g boat-tails I see velocities over 4000 f/s, meaning windage corrections are rarely necessary, and with 105g boat-tails I see velocities right at 3000 f/s... 65g, 75g, and 90g offerings are also readily available... I also own .260REM (Remington 700, 24") and 6.5 Creedmoor (Ruger M77 Mark II, 28") rifles, but I gotta tell ya, the .243 is the most fun to shoot... If I needed to make a 1000 yard shot, I'd go with the 6.5 Creedmoor or .260 Remington, but the.243 holds it own 500-700 yards.

Respect the land as much as we respect the flag. Because the flag represents the land. Well said. Don't litter guys.

From South Africa...Excellent, interesting and much appreciated information. After shooting 30-06 for so many years, I'm planning on getting a new caliber for hunting and playing ie. unofficial competitions. After much research on the internet, Iv'e decided on 260 Remington. Barrel life is a big plus for me, due to our money here being worthless at the moment. I don't want a .308, as every second person down the street owns one...Lol!

@solostyle2279

7 жыл бұрын

Marius Nortje I harvested a 4 point bull this season with my 243 1 shot he ran 89 yards and expired.Shot placement is key and yes at 500-600 yards my rifle will produce 4-5" groups.

@mariusnortje8259

7 жыл бұрын

I'm thinking of getting myself a 260 Rem, but for some reason people in SA don't like them so much. The other choice is a 6.5 x 55 Swedish. Same ballistics as the .260 Rem, but more versatile when reloading. Nothing wrong with the .243 though. I love the .243. My father in law has one, and I have shot a flower at 100meters(sub moa) with a standard Tikka. I just wanna be different, that's why I want to go with a 6.5mm. Barrel life is another factor I'm considering. The value of our money(Rand) have fallen so much that we in shooters in SA just can't afford replacing barrels all the time...

super nice video get what your saying but i live in holland longest range 300 meters 308 more than enuf and love the big splash in the back stop sorry for the bad english

@eachday9538

8 жыл бұрын

I'm guessing if you guys wanted longer ranges you would have to shoot through the turning windmill sails like at a mini golf course ;-)

@raoulpabon7562

8 жыл бұрын

would like to do that but I will get arrested thrown in jail and my guns gone for the rest of my live lol

@eachday9538

8 жыл бұрын

Hmm, that doesn't sound as fun as I was imagining...

@innovationsurvival

6 жыл бұрын

Your English is much better than my Dutch.

@jayjdietrich

4 жыл бұрын

Your English is better than most of ours!

Imagine a 6mm projectile that's 170 - 200 grains , fired from a chopped 50 bmg shell casing . A structured barrel with a high temp ceramic coated throat . just imagine the potential .

That is why I chose the 6mm Remington back in the late 70s:)

I think this discussion should be seperated into three: hunting, target shooting and military/selfdefence. Focusing on the latter then there is absolutely no question that the caliber between 6,5 and 7 mm is FAR better than both 5,56 AND 7,62 mm up to and including medium range. The evidence is comprehensive and from many sources: The swedes did comprehensive testing and settled on 6,5 until for logistical reasons they were forced to settle on the inferior 5,56 NATO round. The British did the same and came up with the british .280/7 mm round for the EM-2. Independent developers settled on 6,5 - 6,7 mm rounds. And all were held back for political and logistical reasons. Afganistan proved yet again that an upgrade was needed. Just as the .338 Lapua Magnum did for long range shooting. Its time to face realities and bite the bullet so to speak, and transition into the better calibers for all military infantry weapons. There isnt ONE good caliber OR weapon for everything, sadly the military does not have the option civilian shooters have of choosing different platforms and calibers for different needs. So IMHO for that specific and limited context, then it comes down to the least bad choice...

@LongRangeShootersofUtah

6 жыл бұрын

Bingo. Good comment from someone who knows a thing or two. Thanks for watching.

the military take cost into consideration before all else. also the military hates the thought of change. last but not least target shooting, competition shooting and any other "sport" will rarely use the same equipment as hunting game or hunting people when brush/barrior/flesh penetration and terminal ballistics mean more than .5-1 inch of accuracy gained.

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Cool vid I would like to see this with a 7mm 08

@thetruth3768

6 жыл бұрын

7/08 WOULD BEAT THEM ALL PLUS HAS LESS RECOIL

@thedodob1rd

5 жыл бұрын

@@thetruth3768 6x47 and 6.5 x47 have less recoil.

@RC-bl2pm

4 жыл бұрын

Boy that's really splitting frogs hairs. The difference between a .260 remington and a 7mm-08 is insignificant.

A family friend used to be sniper said the two calibers he used was the 30-06 and .50 bmg. I've been interested in long distance shooting and currently have a .243 and .270 wsm...

@standish92k

8 жыл бұрын

+Ru2yaz What time frame did your friend serve for?

very good KZread article and information! Thank you for your work and doing this for the rest of us. The one thing in retrospect that I wish could have been done is using the 6.5 Creedmoor as a specific round because of the huge popularity of this round for many of us. Specifically I would like to have seen the reloading cost comparison between .308 and 6.5 Creedmoor. The reason being that none of the rounds compared to the .308 in your comparison are available for purchase over the counter. A comparison of the 6.5 Creedmoor to the point 3:08 in the realm of reloading would be very valuable to us neophytes because reloading is the only way that the 6.5 Creedmoor could be a viable option financially. If a person buys .308 in bulk for example, it is not uncommon to find the FMJ rounds at gun shows 4 under $400 per thousand, to be used as practice ammunition to be sure. The best price I have ever found for a single box of 6.5 Creedmoor ammunition is $22 for Hornady 140 grain, 20 rounds per box. as I am unaware of 6.5 Creedmoor in bulk ammunition, we are talking about over $1,000 per thousand rounds, so reloading would be the only option for most of us.

@LongRangeShootersofUtah

7 жыл бұрын

+Ross Spoelstra we'll keep in mind that our channel is focused on precision longvrange shooting and "bulk" anything doesn't really fit in the same category. If you're shooting bulk ammo then you're probably not worried about precision & accuracy and therefore the creedmoor really isn't a good option. We have bulk .308 primary because it's also a military round and manufactured in bulk. For folks that are more focused on precision & accuracy the .308 & 6.5 creedmoor are both very reasonable cost wise for good factory ammo. Typically Federal Gold Medal match 175 gr .308 ammo is between $24-28 per 20, similarly both Prime or Hornady precision ammo for the creedmoor is also $24-28 per 20. The difference is the creedmoor stay supersonic further and therefore retains its precision to greater distances. Does that help?

@theshootindutchman

7 жыл бұрын

Long Range Shooters of Utah, LLC yes it does help and answer my question, thank you very much and keep up the good work!

And check out the wind drift with 30-35 more grs of bullet !

I love your comment about trigger trash. Excellent info in the rest of the video too!

The drop is a function of BC and velocity. Use a 208 grain .308 AMAX with a BC of .65 out of a .300 Weatherby Mag at 3,000fps, and now a .308 bullet is comparable. Of course the trade off is recoil. I am recoil sensitive so I actually down load 6.5x55 with a 123 grain Amax, BC .510 @ 2,605fps, and duplicate the useful trajectory of 7.62 NATO with the 168grain BT. The recoil is so low that it is easy to see the bullet strike though the scope. Therefore, no spotter is required....

love the video. lots of useful information. I noticed you started all your data at 1000 yards. I only have 600 yards max. was deciding between 6.5 creedmoor and .308. what would you suggest. cost not being a factor

@LongRangeShootersofUtah

7 жыл бұрын

The 6.5 is flatter shooting and you're hit percentages will be superior to the .308. The only advantage of the .308 is once again...heavier bullet options if you're shooting game (but keep in mind a bigger slower bullet isn't necessarily better than a smaller faster one) and barrel life. A .308 will go 7-8K rounds before needing replaced where a 6.5 is typically 2500-3500 but I've seen them go 4K. Just depends on your use and the loads you shoot. I would choose a 6.5 creedmoor 9 times out of 10.

Good video

@LongRangeShootersofUtah

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you kindly.

Thanks for a brilliant in depth guide to the long range shooting options. As a UK shooter, who hasn't yet expanded into any the calibres you discuss, this provides much food for thought. However, civilian options for outdoor shooting here are quite limited, as are the distances open to us. Typically 500 - 600 yds is the max although there are a few ranges where 1000 yds is possible for civis. I guess that's why the 308 is so popular here with the many members of the various shooting clubs. The tight restrictions does mean that we don't have the problems that you discuss from discarded household items being shot up though. Nevertheless, I wish my fellow countrymen (and women) would take a leaf from your book and rekindle the patriotism for our nation, flag and service personnel.

Agreed!! 308 is a brick. I only own 1 and only got it because its a Kimber LPT with Huskemaw scope and I got a great deal on it. 6mm - 7mm are my favorites. Infact my Savage .243 varminter, M98 custom 6.5x55 swed, and my Rem 700 .270 are my go too rifles these days.

I am getting the 6.5CM myself

great video and thank you Sir

One thing that is worth mentioning is that not everyone will get a dedicated long range rifle. Most "new" long range shooters with the same rifle they use for a bunch of other tasks and dabble in long rang shooting occassionally -- at least until they find out if they really like the sport or not. The 308 has the largest selection of bullets for all purposes from 110s for varmints to 180s for larger game to 155 VLDs for 1000 yard matches or 175s for medium range work. You can get factory ammo any time and any where. There are also more barrels, brakes and other accessories to choose from. This is not to mention the fact that unless you are really into a particular class of shooting sport, most people don't like to have too many calibers in their arsenal.

@LongRangeShootersofUtah

7 жыл бұрын

Agreed but keep in mind too that you the length of each bullet (determine by the weight) will determine the proper twist rate needed to stabilize that size bullet. I don't you'll be swapping barrels so you can shoot both 110 gr and 168 gr right? Unless you're not too concerned about the overall accuracy of one of the other end of the weight spectrum. Like with everything there rarely is one single tool that will work well for the entire spectrum of tasks.

@dwightlooi

7 жыл бұрын

Actually, unless you custom order your barrels you generally don't have much of a choice these days... Most of the "stocked" barrels are 1:10 these days which are best for the 168s and 175s. Good luck finding a 1:12 barrel these days. That, BTW, is just fine for both the 168 or 175 SMKs, as well as the 155 TMKs which are just as long as the 175s (actually a smidgen longer). You see, mass actually doesn't matter at all in determining the optimal twist rate only the length of the projectile and the velocity matters. BTW, the 125s and 110s shoot OK with the 1:10 barrels. Not hard to get into 1~1.5 MOA with them in a gun that is nominally a 0.5~0.75 MOA performer with the right loads. Does it matter? Sure it does. Is it horrible? Not really. More than enough for Heavy Metal 3G matches. And, yes, I know people who shoot their 20" 308s because, well, that's what they have!

@LongRangeShootersofUtah

7 жыл бұрын

Dwight Looi That's why I listed as Weight (length)