We track test the rare Honda Civic Type R Limited Edition: kzread.info/dash/bejne/lZqu1tmDXarHY9I.html

I’m in my 40s, the sports line makes the most sense to me.

@icecreamalacarte

4 жыл бұрын

2:02 "Because Honda USA believes that it will dilute the youthful demographic they're going after with the Type R." Honda USA should really take a look at who their Honda performance vehicles appeal to and take notes. Of course the clamoring for the simpler Type R is being heard, Soichiro's ethos of simplicity and function is something Honda enthusiasts still abide by. The uproar about the NSX GT3, and how the public wanted it, was deafening. A simple 6-cylinder 6-speed manual gearbox stripped of all electronics for maximum weight reduction and performance. That's Honda to it's enthusiasts; streamlined efficiency in all aspects.

@Donzaloon

4 жыл бұрын

@@icecreamalacarte The worst part is most of the younger demographic can't even afford the fucking car lol. 90% of them under 25 don't even know what credit is. So they can appeal to them all they want but there not the ones buying your car currently.

@rudigerjones4798

4 жыл бұрын

@@Donzaloon most type r owners I see are under 25 most parents will help them out

@RMG791

4 жыл бұрын

I’ve seen more Type R owners over 30 than under 25 lol

@RMG791

4 жыл бұрын

Some guy in his 40s/50s was driving one!!

I personally think that the Civic Sportline should be sold In Amercia

@nl_2652

4 жыл бұрын

Tons of people would buy it, especially with the smaller wing.

@alndi3

4 жыл бұрын

Type R is #1 on my list but can’t pull trigger because of wing. I’m 32. How young are they trying to market??

@mybloodtype_r

3 жыл бұрын

@@alndi3 turning 33 in Feb 2021 myself.. I pulled the trigger without blinking. Who cares what THEY think...if you like it my friend do it

@C10Robert

3 жыл бұрын

I'm 45 and have been looking forward to a CTR since, well, forever. Was extremely disappointed in the "ricer" wing when this CTR first came out, but kept holding out for a refresh for the more mature and original Honda fans. Must say, I think Japan USA marketing is completely off mark not making the Sportline version available stateside, or even a package to tone down the ricer features (wing delete or minimization, 18" wheels, etc.).

@Baggged_LC

Жыл бұрын

@@alndi3 got it in Black, so it is not that noticeable

While I would really like to buy a Type R, I've been turned off by the big wing. The Sport Line would be the answer to my wishes.

The sport line should’ve been just the 2020 model. Everything from the interior and the wing looks so much better.

Honda has created a masterpiece and everyone knows this, but I have to agree that they did shoot themselves in the foot for not giving us more of a variety here in the states.

@insidelane

4 жыл бұрын

Totally agree

The “youthful buyers”? Those youthful buyers can’t afford this car. In the US the dealerships are marking the car up to crazy prices. I guess in Europe there is no Acura so the older people in the US can go get the upcoming Acura TLX Type S I guess

@insidelane

4 жыл бұрын

I still think it’s crazy that US dealers can skyrocket the prices! In Europe the price is the price.

@neovenom9833

4 жыл бұрын

@@insidelane yes but for a lot of cars that price is way too high. take a GT86 for example, you pay at least 33K EUR for that car.

@themadmachinist8637

4 жыл бұрын

@@insidelane That practice has subsided a bit. I bought mine at msrp 36,500. There are still some but it's calming down as the newness of the platform fades.

@twowheelpilot

4 жыл бұрын

Yep and they need their hands wrapping. Its totally disgusting IMO. Honda here in New Zealand has a policy of not discounting any cars. Its called their price promise so they don't drive down the second prices with cut price new cars. Well they need to stand by that and not over price cars above RRP either. I'm please to say Honda New Zealand doesn't over price their products either. The US dealers need to have their franchise pulled i say price gouging in this way. Honda needs to grow a set of balls and sort it out.

@rudigerjones4798

4 жыл бұрын

the markups are done now I got my 2019 for 38k, after taxes and add ons which I chose to get it came to 43ish. Still a well priced vehicle, a similar equipped sti or golf r would run you up well up to 55 grand and ford was selling the focus rs at 63k sticker. The type r isn't cheap but it's not overpriced for what you're getting it's an incredible bargain.

Young people here may be able to afford a Si, but I don’t know about a Type-R. People my age don’t typically have the ability to drop $40k on a car unless they have really good jobs. Honda should’ve brought this edition to the states.

@themadmachinist8637

4 жыл бұрын

I was thinking that too. I'm pretty deep in my career and that car payment still feels a little heavy. If I had a family to support I probably wouldn't have been able to get mine. I'm 35 btw.

@typer600rr

4 жыл бұрын

.....really ??? you guys need to understandEven if they bring this one to the US it will be about $2k cheaper....not like it’s gonna be $10k cheaper...

@Jy-qz4wf

4 жыл бұрын

@@typer600rr Kevin wasn't saying that he would be able to afford the Sport Line. He's saying young people who like Type R typically can't afford it, so they should've brought the Sport Line over to attract the older crowd who can actually afford it.

@typer600rr

4 жыл бұрын

Danny Chung nope don’t think that’s what he meant

Having a 2019 Si, when I saw the sport line I was so excited. Now I'm disappointed.

@AG-ng2pj

4 жыл бұрын

Mark M. Same here. As soon as I saw it I’m like ok I’m going to take a loss and upgrade to the type r

@adamdominguez7470

4 жыл бұрын

Wholly shit same here, wifey owns 2019 Si HPF...I love the look of the spot line...WTF Honda

@RMG791

4 жыл бұрын

2020 Si here love it! Lol

@C10Robert

3 жыл бұрын

Same! Had a 2020 Si (two of them, actually). Can't say how excited and disappointed I have been with the styling decisions on this CTR, especially since they KNOW BETTER (making a mature version Sportline in the first place) but again misread the US market. Same with Toyota, but I digress.

too much attention in the big city for daily driving . Bring in the sport line!

I would only get a type r sportline with the nice subtle wing. Can’t stand that obnoxious oversized wing

@hondamanvtec2894

4 жыл бұрын

Just buy the car.. buy a sportsline spoiler... it's that eazy

@alexandergeorgiev2631

4 жыл бұрын

@@hondamanvtec2894 2:22

@isaacc9908

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@isaacc9908

4 жыл бұрын

@@hondamanvtec2894 it literally said the mounting points are different from the sport line and regular type r

@slicplaya

4 жыл бұрын

I bought a black 2018 and wrapped it. I would go for the smaller wing, but God... Fuck those black seats. Type R red fo lifhe!

i’ll take a Type R in the SI Sedan form, with the sport line black seats.

@insidelane

4 жыл бұрын

Now that sounds amazing!

I want a sport line, and a coupe version like the si, and acura needs a version of the civic soon with a manual, and they have no 2 door/trunk coupe at all.

I would like to have the sportline as in option here in the US but i have no problems with the wing.

@insidelane

4 жыл бұрын

Same. I think the wing is something that defines this car

@dancarlos1216

4 жыл бұрын

Inside Lane Indeed, I hate that a lot of people want everything to be a German sedan type of car.

I have been a fan of wings (Evo’s STi’s etc) but it just seem over done for this car. I would go with the Sportline

Would you go for the Type R Sport Line?

@xu10j4rs1

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, currently have a championship white fk2 and not been interested in the fk8 until the sportline for some reason.

@AdversaryNemesis1124

4 жыл бұрын

I'm all about the big wing, but many other people would have definitely considered even more the Sport Line if it were here.

@Tigerex966

4 жыл бұрын

yep

@eliarevalo

4 жыл бұрын

Inside Lane I would go for the bonkers wing. Small wing looks too much like their non Type R line. Looks good but not for me

@FlyingGentile

4 жыл бұрын

Yes. There's either one person or a hand full of people who make these decisions. 🤦🏾‍♂️ Fools

Would put a deposit on a Sport Line in Canada.

Its always been about choice with cars for me. Different choices means more buyers. Some people like the big wing and some don't. Sell the car in America and give people the choice.

@insidelane

4 жыл бұрын

100%

Personally I like the wing(I know other's that don't) but the all black interior is what I would really like to see as an option. I see a lot of those seat skins being imported over here.

I would buy a Type R Sport line if it were in the US. That rear wing on the regular Type R is a little too much for me.

It's a shame, really. While the wing looks good to me now, i may not be so keen on it 5-10 years down the road when im in my 30s. Id be worried about wanting to keep a big wing one long term.

@insidelane

4 жыл бұрын

This is a very good point.

I like the sport line type r for the luxury and sport look.

I think they r definitely shooting themselves in the foot. I absolutely love everything about the GT but that’s just my opinion. After talking to other people about it and showing it to other people though, I feel as if my opinion on the big wing is in the minority. If they were to bring the sports line to America it would without a doubt outsell the type R we have in America by an enormous amount because u could attract the younger crowd as well as the older crowd who in a super majority seem to dislike the big wing

@insidelane

4 жыл бұрын

I agree. I don’t think there would be any harm in offering both in America. As they are all built in the same UK factory, it wouldn’t be a big cost to Honda either.

@s7ecrazygunner763

4 жыл бұрын

Inside Lane they said that they r targeting a younger audience though too which doesn’t make any sense because they don’t have the money for a car like that. The people who do have the money are older and don’t like the bigger wing they would sell so many more

@clintonmeachum3728

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah I’m 29 and can afford this car but I’m turned off by the big wing. My wife as well. The sport line would be perfect for her and I as medical professionals and not be judged by our peers.

I'd love a sport line personally with the GT wing on the back. The wing is pure type r and functional on track. I prefer the black seats and 19inch wheels. If it were me I'd buy a sportline and retro fit a wing from the GT some how. The low wing looks horrid IMO. The rest is 👍👍👍. I'm 42 if that's helps with understanding my views.

I wouldn't consider a type r without that rear wing, that wing makes the whole look

@insidelane

4 жыл бұрын

I'm with you on this one. I love the Type R as a rebellious hot hatch.

@sakurakos88

4 жыл бұрын

The type R seems incomplete without that wing. Just my opinion

Demand is still high in America. I bet Honda will eventually offer this model in the future to keep sales up if/when the sales start to go down.

@insidelane

4 жыл бұрын

I think you might be right.

@themadmachinist8637

4 жыл бұрын

Rumor is that 2021 will be a different car altogether. They are moving their factory back to Japan for sure. Many speculate the move will correspond with a platform overhaul.

I love the wing but hate te red seats! Is it cheaper to change the seats or the wing?

Definitely would love to have the Sport Line available in the USA

Love the wing myself.

I’m a 70 year “old” Canadian. The Type R intrigues me but I am completely put off by the rear spoiler. For me the “Sport Line” is perfect! Shame it’s not sold in North America.

Yes, I would consider the toned down version for sure. I have been looking at a Veloster N as the Type R is just to much for me, style wise. I think Honda would sell so many more of the sport line, if offered in North America. Maybe they are saving the more reserved version for a possible next generation Acura ILX type S. As an owner of the current ILX a - spec, this would be awesome. Unfortunately, Honda has a history of not doing what makes sense.

I really love the 10th gen Civic Type R for its practicality!!! It is a fun car to drive and track! But Australia isn't getting the Sport Line which is a bumper! Though that wing does have the functionality I guess and to me, I love it tbh!

Has anyone asked the question if the Sportline is still ok for track days? I prefer the black seats and 19 inch wheels due to rough roads in New Zealand however it's the track that makes me smile. It's easier to change the wing than to buy new wheels and re-trim the seats to black. Let me know your thoughts if you have some more information please.

So what you're saying I need to wait for someone to total one and buy the entire hatch...got it. Honestly the longer I own mine the less ridiculous the wing looks to me but if this had been an option from the beginning I would have opted for the low profile spoiler.

I like the rear wing on type r its more aggressive and stands out I love its shape and colours are amazing!!

I would've 100% bought the sport line version. They missed out on a type R sale from me. But fortunately, I'm loving the 2023 design despite the big wing (which might have the same mounting points as the regular hatch HPD spoiler?!?!) so I'll be a buyer for sure this go around.

I am in my 40s and live in US. I would love to have a Sport Line too.

For me, what makes the Type-R hideous are the sharp, tacked-on, rear extended tire fenders. I can remove a spoiler. Honda make the Accord Type-R a reality and keep the styling subtle.

I bought a red 2019 I love it

Man I have a 9th gen SI coupe. And love this sport line. Sucos we aren't getting in the US.

I wish they offered at least the other wheels and the black interior as options in the US.

I was waiting for the Sportline but I’ll keep my Mazda RF for now. Hopefully they will change their minds next year.

If Honda doesn't wish to bring the Sport Line to the USA, they should have a wine delete option that would replace it with the Sport Line spoiler. I understand this can be done after purchase, but it would be a nice offering at the dealer.

Don't see any harm in offering sportline in USA. Can't wait to see one on the road as looks a lot better IMO for a daily hot hatch although wing is functional so if you miss youre downforce the GT all the way

@insidelane

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I’d have the GT, especially after talking to engineers about its benefits.

Is the sport line a 5 seater ?

I don't mind the huge spoiler (in fact, I really like it!) but I would like to see a Sport Line option in the Americas, because I'm pretty sure my tastes might change by the time I can afford a Type R

Ok my wife and I are older and the kids are older.... BUT I GREW UP WITH TYPE R’s BEING THE FORBIDDEN FRUIT!!!! I WANT ONE!!!! Honda is giving up a lot of sales not giving us a Sportline model. It’s one of the few Sports Cars we can use as a family car. We already have a Hatch Sport Touring. But hey, I’m still old.... and that wing.... is dumb. Even the “kids” think so now. And since kids aren’t growing up with cars as a focus anymore, computers and the internet have take over, you would do well supporting your “old” buyers. Seriously.... when’s the last time anyone heard teenagers taking cars anymore????

Who are they kidding, appeal to the younger market in the usa. No 20 year old is going to afford this thing

You’d be crazy to be able to pick

the sport line looks so clean what the heck. The US market Type R is too crazy, I hate that wing and the fake vents.

As an older American, the sport line R would be a great fit for thousands if not millions of older Americans that dream of owning a type R. Since the early 2000s I have dream of owning a ek type R. The sport like r seems less aggressive and marketed for older beings. I’d buy one at msrp

Why are so many people obsessed with the rear wing. ? Never was it a problem on a subaru wrx or any other car with a rear wing that big. I personally don't get it. The type r is a race car for the road and looks it. I think it's a shame they have done this sports line version.

Adding the Sport Line to the U.S. market would be a very lucrative move for Honda. I would pre-order in a heartbeat.

I would buy the sports line this next month if I could. I dont mind the look of the wing I just cant drive such thin tires on the street.

It is true that the current type R sold here in the USA is very youthful looking and that is why as a mature "senior", I can't get myself to buy one, if it was a "sport line" I know I would get one, since I love the manual transmission that the Acura TLX nor Honda Accord don't offer anymore.

Could the entire trunk just be swapped? I did that on my Evo IX for the wingless look back in 06'. Less attention grabbing. I would prefer the sport line if not possible in championship white.

@vietusa74

4 жыл бұрын

Willy P You can trade the hatch door with lower trim hatchback Civics that have no wing or spoiler. Just have to find the same color. (Championship White is only available on the Type R)

i would go to the Type R Sports Line

I just bought a civic si. Without a doubt, I would step up to the sport line. I hate that big wing!!!

I actually was interested in buying a Type R today while I was getting an oil change for my CRV. The spoiler turned me off and so did for my wife. I would have purchased the Sportline easily!

I’d buy the sport line tomorrow but not the regular one with big wing, looks ridiculous in my opinion. I wish Honda would sell both in the US!

I would absolutely buy the sport line if it had a dct .but they won’t let us buy one here in N/A

Americans didn’t buy enough Type R’s after the hype went down to warrant bringing in the sport line unfortunately. Everyone who was going to buy it at over msrp would have already. They should introduce it to North America anyways

The wing in the U.S. version has always been a deal breaker for me. I’d own a Speedline variant like, yesterday.

Yes they should bring it to America!

I can't believe you people complain about the spoiler on the Type R FK8.. FK2 had a spoiler, FD2 had a spoiler... even the USDM Mugen SI had a spoiler... the spoiler on the FK8 is functional and it looks damn good. I wouldn't have my Type R any other way...

I would consider buying a Type R as a forever-car in the US if it was available in the Sport Line trim. I just can't imagine driving the current Type R around as I get older. The new Z, any Porsche, some Bimmers and even current Mustangs age really well. I can imagine any old person driving those type of cars. Unfortunately Type R's scream 'wang 'gang and Boy Racer.

I would buu the TypeR sport, i really like the black seats and smaller wheels than 20”

I would only go for the Type-R Sport Line, for my retirement car! Honda......are you listening to your seasoned customers!!

I love the Type Rs, but I do not race. The more subdued look of the Sport Line looks like the perfect Civic to me.

The wing is what has me looking at other sports cars around that price. Such a bummer

They are absolutely missing the boat not bringing the sport line to the US They will see sales of the regular big wing type R’s plateau soon as more used are available Only so many track enthusiasts will buy the current version. They need the sport line to continue the demand!

That’s terrible because the only reason why I did not get the type R because it’s a boy racer look. And I would of without a doubt have gotten the sport line. My money is going somewhere else.

The rear wing should not be a reason whether to buy the car, as it is easily modifiable. Personally I don't mind it at all.

Sport for Canada please!!!

The only thing I like about the sportline is the new rims. I don’t care for the subtle new wing. I don’t mind the big wing. If the STI can pull it off, the civic can too

@AutoEnthusiastJC

4 жыл бұрын

Rence Fabian the STI has been offering a no-wing version for several years now so people can choose whether to look like a hoonigan or not. Options can be nice.

I like the sport line I think they should offer that in the US too,

Acura will have an awd version of a civic typer R to target those buyers in a year or two.

The massive wing only appeals to the younger crowd. Most older adults say they wouldn’t be caught dead in that thing. If the sportline came here you might see a lot more older folks in one

I’m a Volkwagen fan but I love the look of the sport line. It’s a shame it’s not coming to America. And I’m a bit perplexed at just how young a demographic HONDA is going after seeing as many young Americans have heavy debt, can’t drive a manual, then get hitched and buy a boring SUV.

Smaller wing and smaller wheels/tires that wont blow after hitting a twig in the road. Yeah, that would sell me in a heart beat.

They don’t need the sportline. Just make the SI in hatchback

So the big wing is not necessary after all, or are Sport Line drivers going to end up in the ditch.

@insidelane

4 жыл бұрын

Honda has made other alterations to compensate for the lack of wing, however the GT will still have an advantage.

@syarifairlangga4608

4 жыл бұрын

the Big Wing is better so the traction go to the front

Yeah

If 19 inch wheel is an option then I will buy a 2020 type R, I just want to daily it. Buy a brand new car then immediately swap smaller wheel on it is just stupid. Honda USA PLEASE Otherwise I'll wait for 2021

@RMG791

4 жыл бұрын

Wait for 2022 the new 11th gen is coming out and looks so much better. New spy photos of the new TYPE R look great!

This US'er would snap up that little wing car instead of the ridiculous thing being offered here.

Yes definitely, Honda has shot itself in the foot by not offering the Type-R Sports Line in the USA. Missed opportunity is what comes to mind. I doubt the current market will trade in it’s wings for a relatively wingless one, ‘coz it’s a different segment of the market.

Honda is making a mistake by diluting the Type R badge with a sport line. Just make it an SI or Type S

I think the big wing appeals to 10-15 year old consumers, and the smaller wing appeals to 16+ year old consumers... in general. I don't understand why Honda thinks 10-15 year olds can afford this car.

So Honda says the Type R is doing well here in the States and won't want to affect its sales share by introducing the sportline trim, So why can't they create a special order program, where the buyer can deposit some money upfront and wait for the vehicle to arrive at a designated dealership from the factory. So that way the GT still keeps its regular inventory supply and the sportline is only available based on exact demand. I personally, won't bat an eye if this is allowed and will trade my Fb6 in a heartbeat. Heck I already twitted American Honda so you guys can retwit: twitter.com/ktwit05/status/1231270950806515712?s=20

I'd get a Sport Line Type R

If Honda actually wants to sell some damn cars and treat their fans right, they’ll give us that Sport Line, and they give us enough of them that the dealerships won’t act out of pocket with them.

I am in my 50s and love to buy one without the giant wing like Type R Sport Line if sold in America. Very disappointing.

Well I think many people who bought the TypeR wants to stand out from the regular Civic, TR sport line for me it just looks like the regular Civic hatchback with the Si wing, so no no for me.

No SportLine, no problem. I'll be getting a GolfR! And VW will be giving plenty discounts on it too!!

More subtle!? I wished it was more subtle! I like this thinking from Honda. BUT... The bumpers need the same treatment and a tripple exhaust isn´t subtle! I like the car but it´s to wild for me, still.

Are u able to remove the big wing on the reg type r?

@vietusa74

4 жыл бұрын

Elijah Acevedo Yes, you can remove the wing but you would have to plug the holes some how.

@Hajduk-Kralj

4 жыл бұрын

@@vietusa74 Is there a smaller aftermarket wing? must be?

The type R is for the bold. If you don't like the massive wing get a regular civic what's the bid deal?

At 49yrs of age I've been driving all types of fast cars on my time from the 93 supra to the WS6 Pontiac Trans Am. At the end of the day the Type R looks a bit too aggressive for today's 0-60 numbers at 5sec. The tone down version makes it more like a sleeper that can surprise your reg. Mustang racer obviously not the higher class Mustangs. But Honda has misread the vibe that a tone down type R can bring.

One of the worst corporate decisions I've ever seen a company make. The Sports line edition should definitely be sold in the U.S. Americans should be offered the same choices as the Europeans. That batwing looking tail fin on the U.S. Type R looks ridiculous. I've always hated the current Type R because of the tail fin. Well, I guess I'll have to buy a Gulf R, because I would never have a car that looks like the Type R as a daily driver.

I AM NOT HONDA’S. DEMOGRAPHIC BUT WOULD BUY THE SPORT LINE. TODAY. AM IN THE U.S. BRING IT ON