But remember if Ronaldo wasn’t there in 2016 griezmann would of won the champions league and euros so Griezmann would deserve the ballon d’or

@user-xc7tt4fj3w

7 ай бұрын

I mean ucl no man real would have won it anyway Others things griezmann could have won euros and ballondor

@tajamulkhan4209

7 ай бұрын

ronaldo carried madrid to the final

@Quipie

7 ай бұрын

@@user-xc7tt4fj3w lmao no, madrid would’ve 100% lost against wolfsburg without cr7, & portugal would’ve been knocked out in the group stages of 2016 if cristiano didn’t score the brace against hungary

@ChromeYT9234

7 ай бұрын

still suarez would have won the ballon d'or

@user-xc7tt4fj3w

7 ай бұрын

@Quipie- I mean it's not like I watched the 2016 ucl or euros. I'm just saying 😒😒

It's honestly insane that these 2 men held on to their positions for so long. You have the all time greats that are obviously really good for most of their careers but for these 2 to have been constantly compared to each other for close to 2 decades with very few even coming close to their level and dominating the Ballon D'or the way they did was something special. We all have our pick for who is the better player but I think in pitting these 2 against each other, the world of football took for granted exactly what was happening in front of our eyes

@alexzero3736

7 ай бұрын

Well, if you did some research you ll see that Ballon d or changed its rules at the start of this domination, a lot of non- football countries were included as voters. So Ballon d or went from players and coaches votes to viewer votes, and basically became the Ballon of popularity.

@thomasmccurley7666

7 ай бұрын

@@alexzero3736 Well ronaldo is more popular than messi, no?

@goodlad8166

7 ай бұрын

@@alexzero3736 people play football in non footballing countries too, the coaches and those captains have enough knowledge to judge the balon d or. Its like saying a whole country doesnt play football. USA plays american football but that doesnt mean there are no genius footballers in usa. so whatever the country is , the people with far more knowldge only vote. infact they know much mooore football than you. so its a flawed logic.

@goodlad8166

7 ай бұрын

@@alexzero3736 Its like saying poor countries dont have rich men.

@goodlad8166

7 ай бұрын

@@alexzero3736 how do footballers become popular? by playing good football. so its obvious the popular footballers win it because they are good. benzema became popular for his super performance in ucl and won it, so that doesnt mean he won coz of popularity , he won coz of ucl performance.

Their rivalry no doubt inspired both to even greater heights of performance.

@justinsm

7 ай бұрын

We would never see they would be on top for more than a decade if just one of them exist because it would be just solo domination like other sport and era. Let alone if these 2 not exist Football would fall from their top spot of popularity because they have barely outstanding player for all of us to enjoy.

Griezmann was different gravy in 2016. He was everywhere on the pitch

@GoofyVideosShorts

7 ай бұрын

Suarez was different gravy in 2016. He was a machine

In a world where things go the way they should, i would totally agree But the Ballon D'or has always been a popularity award

@justinsm

7 ай бұрын

Well, my question is why Beckham never win one? He was the most popular athletes before CR7 and Messi reach their prime. CR7 more popular than Messi why Messi wins more? Neymar is the most popular athletes after CR7 and Messi. Why instead Modric and Benzema win in 2018 and 2022?

Griezmann deserved a mention 2018-2019 he was at his prime and world winner but yeah we camt deny modric deserved it more but with thaat logic 2016 was Griezmann without the 2 wild aliens obv.

@justinsm

7 ай бұрын

I just can't believe after Griezmann transferred to Barca he became a flop. Same with PSG Neymar when he can be in top 3 twice too like Griezmann.

@auretor

6 ай бұрын

@@justinsm yeah they say he was flopped because Barca was made around Messi so he couldn't fit in to the winger role... He also a can or CF and not a lw so yeah that tooo counts

Realistically speaking ppl should take into consideration that ronaldo and messi's teammates performed well then partly because of them, so without them it wouldn't have been the same

@snowtib8464

7 ай бұрын

It’s true but it is invalid, cuz it is a team sports

@siddiqbey4205

7 ай бұрын

I agree

lets be honest here, most of these people in the video are teammates of ronaldo or messi that year, so without ronaldo or messi existing some of them may not have won it

The Barcelona and Spanish dominance is crazy

@justinsm

7 ай бұрын

Meanwhile people said Bundesliga is a farmer league

But if 2016 ronaldo didn’t exist griezman would have won the euros and the CL

@donny-su5bd

7 ай бұрын

but maybe he would still lose in the euro final because ronaldo was injured

@Prestongames5

7 ай бұрын

Don’t forgot Ronaldo was coaching basically

@Username-mn7pc

7 ай бұрын

@@Prestongames5yeah he was also portugal goalkeeper and defender😂

@samirahman8054

7 ай бұрын

Suarez better shut up griezz fan

@zeo4481

7 ай бұрын

How was Cristiano stoping Griesman for the Euro?

Its kinda unfair to say some players cant win Ballon D'or just because they didnt win something with their national team, considering not all players are lucky enough to have a solid national team..

@justinsm

7 ай бұрын

Ok, here's the thing. CR7 for example because he win 5 ball on d'or with Portugal just won 2016 Euro in his national team career. So, by your logic he only deserve the ball on d'or in 2016. But, no. He win 5. Why? his performance in 2008, 2014, and 2017 was insane. Clearly not a human. Even in 2013 he win nothing. But 69 goals in 2013 calendar year with 60+ goals for 4 calendar years in a row (2011-2014 before his injury) and 50+ goals for 7 calendar years in a row (2011-2017 as both LW and ST) is outstanding. I still say he deserve 5 because he deserve 2018 over Modric by stats even though Modric bring Croatia to WC final. But, of course just because his 2013 are amazing without any trophies he didn't deserve the 2013 one over Ribery.

Nice video guys,Just showing us how good the goats were to deny so many great players of Ballon D'ors they deserved

@elizabethcsicsery-ronay1633

7 ай бұрын

Only one goat. The words mean only one. The legends...

the fact that neuer would have been the only goalkeeper to win since yashin if messi and ronaldo didnt exist

@justinsm

7 ай бұрын

Buffon in 2006 also deserve over CANNAVARO. CANNAVARO only great in WC while Buffon great in both club and WC. Goalkeeper barely have no places in ball on d'or other than YASHIN.

Suarez deserved more ballon d'ors on this list he is truly underrated

@YasnaJalil-us4jz

8 ай бұрын

But messi robbed 4 ballon dor he is a robber ronaldo is better

@Shayan10945

8 ай бұрын

​@@YasnaJalil-us4jz🤡 penaldo robbed neuer, messi ribery and suarez

@Shayan10945

8 ай бұрын

​@@YasnaJalil-us4jzRonaldo doesn't deserve a single ballon dor

@elizabethcsicsery-ronay1633

7 ай бұрын

@@YasnaJalil-us4jz Good God no! Ronaldo fan.

@user-xc7tt4fj3w

7 ай бұрын

​@@YasnaJalil-us4jzronaldo fan shut up ok

There an alternate universe where Xavi and Iniesta didn't play together, one goes to United and one stay at Barca till the Madrid sign the one who went to United, both become GOAT midfielder rivalry...also Cristiano and Messi plays together at Barca they didn't managed to win ballon dor despite being at the top list favorite but instead, its Xavi and Iniesta race against each other at winning and being the best

@Dev_dom6996

7 ай бұрын

bro is a midfielder rider FR

@justinsm

7 ай бұрын

@@Dev_dom6996 Messi and Cristiano wouldn't be as great we saw without Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Fabregas, Rakitic, Scholes, Keane, Carrick, Alonso, Modric, KROOS, PJANIC, Matuidi, BENTACUR, and Khedira.

Fun fact Lewandowski actually was higher than Messi and cr7 he just couldn't claim it due to COVID(it's true)

@joan89s

7 ай бұрын

they should give it to him, since they have not give to someone for the year of covid.

@justinsm

7 ай бұрын

We all know. He's totally amazing in 2019-2020 season. That's his prime for sure. COVID and France football ruined and robbed him

@zeliatembo248

6 ай бұрын

Very true

Schneider supposed to win ballon in 2010

(Sneijder finished second in 2010), Goal90: "Iniesta". Is this video about straight facts or simply your barcelonic opinion?

If De Bruyne didn't exist the robot wouldn't have scored all them goals last season

@kursimon7998

7 ай бұрын

Just look at the amount of touches he got nowadays 😅😅

@mumandubula1788

7 ай бұрын

He was scoring goals at RB Salzburg and BVB before that.

Lewandowski 69 goals and 15 assist 58 games 2021. Vs messi 41 goals and 17 assist 65 games 2021. Lewandowski deserved 2 ballon dors 2020,2021. Lewandowski 3rd best player this generation and best striker this generation.

Xavi and Iniesta both deserved a Ballon d'Or but they were playing with Messi in his peak so was hard to look past his insane numbers. Lewandoski was robbed of at least one ballon d'Or if not two but the award I am most upset about is Virgil Van Dyke. The guy was just incredible for a 2 year period and as flawless a defender since Maldini, he deserved the award over Messi who by his standards had an average season. He has not been the same since Pickford's stupid challenge took his leg off and I doubt he will ever get back to his peak.

@Br0wnie34

7 ай бұрын

Huh!! Messi was average for his standards in 2019?. That was arguably one of his best seasons he absolutely carried that Barcelona team. I assume you are saying this based on the one game at Anfield

@justinsm

7 ай бұрын

Yes, Liverpool doing great at UCL and win it. Plus Van Dijk is the reason they can won. But don't forget how Barca did in 2019 and how he carry. Only 2012 and 2015 Messi can defeat 2019 Messi. And don't say 2021 robbed. You can't deny Messi's performance in Copa America. Same with 2009-2012 they're the reason Messi great but he's standout there. I can say that Ribery deserved 2013 over Ronaldo or Torres in 2008 Euro, NEUER in 2014 WC, and Suarez in 2015-2016 season

@NtaniDaniel-rx4ze

7 ай бұрын

You by his standards means he was above normal standards

Griezmann actually would have won the Champions League final and the Euros if there was no ronaldo

@kursimon7998

7 ай бұрын

Not just Ronaldo but Valverde

@Username-mn7pc

7 ай бұрын

Ronaldo didn’t do anything in those two finals against Griezmann

@Susanoo1016

7 ай бұрын

@@Username-mn7pcdoesn’t matter if he didn’t play during the finals Portugal without Ronaldo are nothing they wouldn’t have left the group stages, and Wolfsburg match sealed the deal in 2016

Bro what u on about man 2016 griezmanns atleti best Barcelona on the way to finals and without Ronaldo he would have won ucl and euros

Spain would have 5 more Ballon Dors

2008: Fernando Torres (Liverpool) 2009: Xavi Hernández (Barcelona) 2010: Andrés Iniesta (Barcelona) 2011: Xavi Hernández (Barcelona) 2012: Andrés Iniesta (Barcelona) 2013: Franck Ribéry (Bayern München) 2014: Manuel Neuer (Bayern München) 2015: Neymar (Barcelona) 2016: Antoine Griezmann (Atlético Madrid) 2017: Neymar (PSG) 2019: Virgil van Dijk (Liverpool) 2021: Robert Lewandowski (Bayern München) You're welcome...

@lazarcvetkovic9523

7 ай бұрын

Correct 2016 year mate

Nice video again❤

@sathviksuttakote4094

8 ай бұрын

Buddy it’s only been 3 minutes how did u finish it

@beni_6309.official

8 ай бұрын

@@sathviksuttakote4094 Gotta coment before others🤣🤣🤣

You did not mention Griezmann Euro 2016 best player and top scorer.

Please for your next video make it (8 tranfers that did not happen for riduculous reasons) Like de gea to real madrid Or lewandowski to blackburn

good video

For me 2010 snjider 2017 hazard 2019 alison becker

@midfielderlounge2592

7 ай бұрын

For me Xavi for 2010 he was better than both snjider and Iniesta Was by far Spain best player in that world cup From midfield his goal contribution was 28 that's insane His performance against real Madrid that year is easily one of greatest midfield performance ever So was his performance against Netherlands in final

Do a video that if you could only win one ballon d'or

Do a video what happened to haaland goalscoring

@elizabethcsicsery-ronay1633

7 ай бұрын

Yes! KDB is out and he can't score.

Honestly this shows how much help messi in all his year gets and ronaldo not as much until later

2017 neymar 1st i agree but salah honourable mention i guess

83 G/A in 54 games 😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮👽👽👽💯💯 that is crazy why didn't you give this man ballon for 😢😢😢😢 FIFA whyyyyyyyy

2015 should have went to Neymar

@amaraker3190

7 ай бұрын

No cap

Hi bro goal 90❤

Robben deserved one. He was unstoppable.

I think Mohamed salah ,Manuel never , van dighk and Suarez should all have a balloon d'or

Actually this video could be: who would have won the BO if votes were rational and consistant ? I love Messi and CR7 and enjoyed witnessing this era, but as BO is not just about pure talent, those 2 monsters should be worth 3 or 4 BO each, not 13! (yes no fake suspense about this year's robber ;-))

Iniesta, Xavi, and Neymar would had been the goats of football if Messi and Ronaldo didn't exist

Ballen dor sucks cuase it inly goes to attackers never defenders or goalies. Football fans only focus on attackers. Also if a defenders make a mistake everyone gets really annoyed but when an attacker misses a shot everyone claps. Van dight deserved it in 2019

@__rogue___

7 ай бұрын

There should be a separate category for defenders and Goalkeepers

@Username-mn7pc

7 ай бұрын

Messi was 20 times better player than Van dijk in 2019

@goalie09

7 ай бұрын

​​​​@@Username-mn7pcWell you don't know any thing about football. You only know how to base football on goals and assists. Van dighkt went an entire season without being dribbled past won pfa player of the year and carried liverpool to the champions league final and uefa player oftheyear. Bro Football is not just about goals and assists. Defender stats are just as good as goals. Cleen sheets interceptions and tackles

@queenbrightwingthe3890

7 ай бұрын

@@goalie09 There is a reason why no defender since Cannavaro won it in 2006 has won it since. Ballon'Odor is only about who scores the most now. They dont care about goalkeepers or defender stats.

So Barcelona players would have cleaned up the Ballon D'or's without Messi and Ronaldo? Incredible 😱

@wh1sp3rr

7 ай бұрын

to be fair, Messi is one of the greatest playmakers of all time, so it could be argued that both Neymar and Suarez's numbers would not have been what they are should Messi not have existed.

@justinsm

7 ай бұрын

@@wh1sp3rr how about Xavi & Iniesta? they were still great in Spain which we knew Messi is not Spain. Plus both of them are assisting Messi in 2009-2012

The video could have ended in 2 seconds by writing whoever came second in those years

1:35 Why it has to be Iniesta? I think Sneijder more deserve it. In 2010 Iniesta played with peak Messi and Xavi. At that time Barcelona was the most feared team, but still lost to Inter with Sneijder. In addition, Sneijder huge contribution not only for Inter's treble, but also how he helped the national team progressed to the final WC.

Spain and Bayern players be like:

"golden shoe"💀💀💀

Cristiano deserved in 2018

@DestBoi

7 ай бұрын

no

@CaseyRedgrave

7 ай бұрын

no

@brohdez8857

7 ай бұрын

Cristian was different gravy in 2018. He was definitely robbed.

@CaseyRedgrave

7 ай бұрын

@@brohdez8857 nah

Suarez couldn't win the Ballon d'Or without Messi´s Assistances...

Watching it at 5 mins

"Xavi won this, Neymar won that...." Dude, as if Barcelona would have won just as many trophies without Messi.... Who knows.... Suarez and Neymar might even have signed for other clubs.

It’s hard to say that any of the Barcelona/Madrid players would’ve won it cause they for sure wouldn’t have won all those trophies without their GOATs.

@justinsm

7 ай бұрын

So, from this list only Torres, Ribery, NEUER, Van Dijk, Lewandowski, and HAALAND that deserve their ball on d'or if they're not exist? i would argue the 2009-2012, 2018, and 2022 though. Why? in 2009-2012 Xavi and Iniesta are the strongest reason Messi can get his ball on d'or that time. Plus they're doing amazing in Spain too. For 2018 this is a tough debate. But 2017-2018 Madrid squad are the strongest team in UCL get their hattrick UCL too. Plus Modric did amazing in 2018 WC carry Croatia to final with Perisic and battle current prime France which we knew the strongest nation today. That's why he won 2018 above Ronaldo that time even though Ronaldo have far better stats. And lastly 2022. No question needed. Ronaldo already leave Madrid for 3 seasons in Juventus and already going downhill since his comeback to MU. And Benzema totally on fire in 2021-2022 seasons. You could argue Vinicius is the reason why Benzema can take that ball on d'or. But not every assist can easily make goals and Benzema nailed it that seasons. Only Mane and KDB can challenge him but not quite as great. So, he deserve.

My questions are, How many would they have won if the other didn't exist, would they have won over 10? would they even be close to as dominant as they were for 10+ years if the other didn't exist

Lucas Maura on 2019

Xavi and Iniesta may have been shells without Messi up top. They'd have put up decent numbers but wouldn't have had anywhere close to the stats they had now.

@midfielderlounge2592

7 ай бұрын

There national team success was enough

Inesta 2010 ribery 2013 cr7 2018 and lastly lewadowski 2021 in the year where other plays should have won it

@Username-mn7pc

7 ай бұрын

Ribery 2013 Ballon dor Neuer 2014 Suarez 2016

@redo5552

7 ай бұрын

@@Username-mn7pc ah yes lmao, getting rid of all of Ronaldo's ballon d'ors because you're salty 🤣🤣

But if Ronaldo never existed griezmen would have won ucl euro and ballon dor

@Username-mn7pc

7 ай бұрын

But Ronaldo did nothing in those two finals in 2016

@kpsahoo8000

6 ай бұрын

But he did every thing in the knockouts

@kpsahoo8000

6 ай бұрын

Without ronaldo real madrid would have lost against Wolfsburg

Lewa deserve that one in 2020

Im pretty sure griezmann wouldve won one

2010 and Schneider come on man

now its 13

I would give the ballond dor to kdb or rodri over haaland. Messi deserves anyway

Next time what if real madrid and brca never exist

Barcas dominance back then 🥶🥶

I think that other players should've won even with those 2 around. Remember it's also a popularity contest and it really helped the rivalry even more , which resulted in more hype and money when they faced of against each other.

If ronaldo and messi didn't exist in 2016 ofc griezmann would have won it man it was ronaldo the reason why griezmann lose euros and ucl finals so griezmann should have won it

If neymar won in 2017 he would of stayed at barca

@ave-6130

7 ай бұрын

he left because Messi would have always been ahead of him because of the media

It's not if they Didn't Exist.. it's if it was fair. some years other players deserved it more than Messi And Ronaldo.

2010 should have been Wesley Sneijder, no discussion.

I'm a Manchester city fan and I beg to differ, I believe that Julian Alvarez deserves the ballon d'Or over Messi and haaland

@jasonugwu8326

7 ай бұрын

Wannabe different so bad

Will you giveaway more kits?

2012 should’ve been Didier Drogba

If Messi wasn’t playing, France would of win the WC, Mbappe would’ve won the Award for 2023

Guys even thought u will think that who is tuis guy talkin to us look at what l am gonna say pls first lets take the 2015 neymar as a player if messi wasnt there he wasnt gonna get the treble or anything because leo was assisting neymar all year so u had to do better research even thought its boring cause u made several mistakes but it was an 8/10 video for me respect

If Ronaldo didn’t exist, Rooney would have been the key player in United’s PL and CL double. That puts him above Torres for me.

Too much focus on team performances and trophies. Individual performance should be 2/3 of the award

vvd deserves the ballondor in 2019

If we didn’t give it to iniesta in 2010 we shouldn’t have given it to messi

@justleo3740

7 ай бұрын

Cry more 💀

But does things they win wouldn’t happen because is a different universe

Forgot about Lord Bendtner?

If Messi wins it again over Haaland its a fix

@queenbrightwingthe3890

7 ай бұрын

just watch. its all scripted just like Argentina winning World Cup was scripted for Messi all way through.

2012 falcao??

About to be 13

Lewadowki left the chat

Suarez deserves more ballondors

08 torres was not 3rd 😂 it was xavi Hernández

I don’t understand how you think 2016 Suarez beats 2022-23 Haaland. The Prem is infinitely better quality in every way. Players, Managers, Big stars, etc. La Liga is a borderline farmers league

As we found out by now, Messi would have won anyway.

Messi wins because he is kind

@elizabethcsicsery-ronay1633

7 ай бұрын

That's sweet.

Messi won the ballon’dor

2023 Alvarez deserves

If Ballon d'or was fair: 2008: Ronaldo 2009: Messi 2010: Iniesta 2011: Messi 2012: Messi 2013: Ribery 2014: Neuer 2015: Messi 2016: Suarez 2017: Ronaldo 2018: Griezmann/Modric (I can understand Modric but still think Griezmann deserves it) 2019: Van Dijk 2020: Lewandowski (Canceled duo to covid) 2021: Lewandowski 2022: Benzema 2023: Messi We get: Messi: 5 Ronaldo: 2 Lewandowski: 2 Rest: 1

Man utd jersey please

NAH NEUER BECAME 2ND GK TO WIN BALON D’IOR

Is this genuinely if Messi and Ronaldo didn't exist (remove their trophy winning goals etc) - or just who was the 3rd best player each year?

If Messi didn't existed in 2023, MBappé would have won the world cup, and PSG would have been way better without Messi who bring bad energy and no motivation for the club, so who knew what would have happened.

I agree with Xavi and Iniesta as they were amazing in the club and national team. But neymar and Suarez had not only Xavi and Iniesta but also Messi there. Remove Messi and I doubt that you would have such an effective attack. Sure we can never know, but taking the 2nd or 3rd from the list is not enough to say he would win. Without Ronaldo RM wouldnt win as many trophies and same goes for Barça.

@justinsm

7 ай бұрын

Plus Xavi move in 2015. So, without him and Messi only Iniesta i doubt Suarez would win in 2016 and Neymar in 2017.

Messi has won the ballon dor now 2:25 November 4 2023

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