If you combine Andrew MM with Andrew experiment victim then this creates a pretty sad backstory . Andrew was a kid born in the 70s where he was abused by his father, and his mother, didn’t really care . Like most kids, though he seem to like going to a place Freddy, or Fredbears, and having an attachment to the characters. His father, of course hates this. (it’s also likely done at some point Andrew met Susie and the spirit inside mangle) . At some point I think Andrew’s dad comes to the restaurant while he’s in it and they have an altercation which is noticed by none other than William Afton . William decides to take this as an opportunity to use him for his experiments ( since Andrew is an abuse victim, he knows he can manipulate him to escape his parents) . William strikes after he kills Charlie and midnight motors happens. (my reasoning for believing this is the “later that night”in the code) . Andrew is never reported missing because I stated before his parents don’t really care about him. His dad didn’t even bother to go after him. . William manipulates Andrew by saying he’ll help him escape his abusive household and agrees and breaks the window, William takes Andrew to his bunker and begins the experiments which probably go on for about 2 years so 1983 to 1985 . Andrew somehow was able to escape the chamber (perhaps this is why William has the whole system for Rory. It was added because someone escaped) . Eventually William is able to find him and kill him and hide his body in the 1985 Freddy’s. However, he’s never reported because he’s been missing since 1983 and I lt can’t believe blame on the Freddy’s, because he didn’t go missing there. (evidence for this is toy Chica’s final story. William put a bag over his head knock him out and put him in the trunk.) . Andrew doesn’t possess any animatronics, but instead attaches his soul to William and we know the rest . When William gets spring locked, Andrew keeps him alive. My reason for believing this is because of scrap traps heartbeat in six implying that the man in the suit still alive. William can’t have remnant in him though because he hasn’t completed his Funtime MCI plan so it Has to be something else keeping him alive This would explain Andrew’s hatred and anger. He never actually had any friends and he never had a marionette to lift him up into his arms. He was abuse,manipulated, and now stuck inside another man’s body.

The Afton era is a lot scarier than the mimic era

@juliabp6057

2 ай бұрын

And better written, with better character (in part the Novel Trilogy helps with this).

The idea of Andrew being nightmarionne and is kind of fire and still keeps the idea of nightmarionne being the opposite of the puppet which also makes Andrew the opposite of Charlie

@gamekid2310

3 ай бұрын

Could Charlie be Shadow Bonnie and Andrew be Shadow Freddy

@Sonicmid

3 ай бұрын

@@gamekid2310nah shadow Freddy is meant to be William then shadow Bonnie would be Henry

@markofabecic6824

3 ай бұрын

​@@Sonicmidwouldn't they be other way around?

@Sonicmid

3 ай бұрын

@@markofabecic6824 No, the irony is that William wear spring Bonnie, but has a shadow of Fredbear while Henry wears Fredbear, but has a shadow of Bonnie

@zetorocks811

3 ай бұрын

How is Shadow Bonnie Henry?

5:37 Cassidy does ask "Do you have Dreams?" So that could be a actual solid Evidence!

@zetorocks811

3 ай бұрын

Oh yeah! I missed that!

@Sonicmid

3 ай бұрын

I’m pretty sure that was a question for Michael since he’s the one who responds to it in fact, this is put the nail on the coffin that he was the Fnaf 4 gameplay antagonist

@zetorocks811

3 ай бұрын

No he didn’t. He responded to the previous page which asks about recent dreams

@whocaresaboutthename6850

3 ай бұрын

@@Sonicmid Cassidy only talks to BV imo, Mike's just there and he was just responding to the page's questions

@Sonicmid

3 ай бұрын

@@whocaresaboutthename6850oh my bad

Its kinda sad to me how fnaf 4 lore gameplay's lore fell off. We all can agree that when scott made fnaf 4 he wanted either CC of Michael to be the protagonist sleeping and having nightmares. Then people started thinking that the nightmares werent actual nightmares, they were Just Animatronics made by william using ilusion discs. Now fnaf 4 is some weird experiment. Its lore is too much confusing, i wished the gameplay was only nightmares that CC was having in comma.

@zetorocks811

3 ай бұрын

Well I mean FNaF 4 is still a dream. The main game has never changed, I think it was always Nightmare using Micheal’s guilt to torment him in his dreams. It’s just now a real version of the gameplay happened but it was different

@Classic-guy1991

3 ай бұрын

Honestly out of all the games that needs a remake it’s fnaf 4

@andryusgustavo9148

3 ай бұрын

@@Classic-guy1991 The main 4 games could use a remake.

@NoobSebot

3 ай бұрын

@@andryusgustavo9148 I disagree, part 1 and 2 doesnt contribute much to the lore- only made the meat of it. Fnaf 3 and 4 just added on to it, they hit the ball park on whats happening. What really needed a remake is probably UCN in terms of the lore we've been given, because 90% of what we even knew is in the books which is crappy.

@andryusgustavo9148

3 ай бұрын

@@NoobSebot Ucn lore is weird for me. I wished it was only Afton's Purgatory. I dont even like considerering it FNAF 7, its a spin-off to me.

Ok, this is a pretty good breakdown of every possible experiment subject! I'll give my insight on them too if it helps by adding some extra points: 1. Rory - has to be true if you believe TalesGames, but if you don't I guess you can use his experience to explain the other subjects. 2. BV - I'm in the same situation as you on this one, I don't know if I should take that drawing into consideration because the encyclopedia can be misleading at times. But if I have to, then maybe?? Problem is, CC probably didn't see anything that serious and it's more likely that he might have misunderstood someone putting on a mascot suit to being eaten alive or something.(Also, I think the one behind him in that drawing isn't Nightmare, but Nightmare Fredbear instead just covered in dark shadows because of the yellowish outline) 3. Mike - unless we believe weird remnant memory shit, then my boy Michael definitely went through those experiments. And as you said, it works well for both MikePunishment and MikeAccomplice. 4. Elizabeth - nuh uh, there ain't no way. 5. Cassidy - she doesn't really have to see them IMO, but I guess it can work, there just needs to be more strong evidence for it(and I'm sorry but that photo of a child in a hospital bed doesn't count, NOT EVERY GIRL WITH BLACK HAIR IS CASSIDY, C'MON Y'ALL 😭). And erm actually you can also use some the evidence from Andrew being an experiment victim if you believe CassidyTOYSNHK 🤓 6. Andrew - only works under Stitchline or AndrewGames and all the things that point to it is basically what've you said in the video. Again, this is a good breakdown of the experiment victims! I'm glad we all are close to solving the gameplay of FNAF 4 and how it happened.

@whocaresaboutthename6850

3 ай бұрын

AndrewGames could still be true withouth StichlineGames (i just see no reason why tho)

@Sonicmid

3 ай бұрын

@@whocaresaboutthename6850 Andrew being the one you should not have killed allows shatter victim to work since under shatter victim Cassidy has to get the cake in happiest day

@Eddbruh83

3 ай бұрын

@@whocaresaboutthename6850 Yeah you're right, I'm gonna edit the comment to say that.

@Eddbruh83

3 ай бұрын

@@Sonicmid Could be true, but some CassidyTOYSNHK believers like me think that happiest day happens after UCN under ShatterVictim. Heck, I've seen some ShatterVictimers who also believe in BVReceiver.

@Sonicmid

3 ай бұрын

@@Eddbruh83 for me it’s Cassidy gets the cake however because they purified all the memories the curses broken, and BV is technically set free

Thank you for the shoutout! Also, I might as well nip this in the bud: it's pronounced "A-Lay-Nuh"

i don't like how no one mentions the height of the player in fnaf 4 is not teenager height but rather 3=4 year old height...

@zetorocks811

3 ай бұрын

Doesn’t really matter A. It’s a dream B. In Dittophobia Rory thinks he’s 7 when he is really 17 However you can use this as evidence that BV went through the experiments and Mike is dreaming that he is BV

@Sonicmid

3 ай бұрын

All the experiment victims mentioned in the video, are kids Also, for Mike’s case shadow Freddy is putting him in a recreation of it

Imagine that all the characters that are speculated to have been in the experiments were all in the same room at the same time and became friends (except Mike and BV for obvious reasons).

I think its random kids, and cc most likely saw one of them by accident, so he starts having dreams where he was a in a totally different house being tormented by his worst fears, then in fnaf 3, mike starts having the same nightmares as cc

One thing that I've always wanted to say concerning both the experiments and CBEAR in general is that the bunker would take SO long to build. People are like "So after CBPW failed, William built a bunker and stored the animatronics in there!". Bro. A bunker that big and complex would take over half a decade to dig out and build. And that's assuming Afton Robotics had like 400 men on the project immediately with the greatest digging equipment and the nation's quickest and smartest technicians

@zetorocks811

3 ай бұрын

The bunker was already built before Circus Baby’s I’m pretty sure. I think William built CBPW over the bunker and not the other way around

@Elle_Brielle_Elle

3 ай бұрын

@@zetorocks811 To be fair I do assume that Afton Robotics was founded in the mid or late 70s as a subsidiary to some bigger experimental robotics manufacturing company like Unimation, and CBEAR was a distribution center or storage of some kind. After Afton showcased remnant to associates and bosses he probably got every piece of wealth and assets sent to him and the bunker got turned into CBEAR, because who doesn't want immortality? Besides, the recovery team in SL proves Afton is not the only one who knows about remnant, not by a long shot.

I had an idea for midnight motors. If Andrew is the MM kid what if “ that place again” is JR and the reason the orange guy can’t get in is because he got caught abusing his son at the location Remember, green guy says “ come on YOU know you can’t be here don’t make things harder than Has to be” The building isn’t on lockdown or anything he specifically is not allowed to be there What is the reason why Orange guy says “ he’ll be sorry when he gets back” is because he knows he can’t get Andrew himself because he’s banned from the building so he has to wait for Andrew Obviously though, I don’t think Andrew went to that place again because I believe this is when William kidnaps him for a nightmare experiments. As for what jrs is at this point, I’m just gonna go with it being a FredBear or Freddy’s location. Midnight motorist is after Charlie dies because of the rain and the later that night nobody’s discovered her body yet.

My theory is that FNAF 4 is not a dream, but rather Michael's punishment for killing his brother (BV). If you think about it, it would make sense why William built Nightmare Fredbear and added him in the experiment room in night 5, considering that this morning Michael killed his brother by shoving him in Fredbear's mouth. But still that won't explain why Michael was thrown into the experiment room from night 1 and not in night 5.

Great video on who the experiment victims are and their points supporting or against it. As a bv experiment victim believer myself, I don’t think that bv isn’t afraid of the original animatronics since we do see that the older brother and his friends scare bv with the masks of the original characters and mainly while yes bv calls the original plushles his friends, he also calls the fredbear plush his friend as well which he is a plushle version of a animatronic he fears the most. Also for the character encyclopedia, I wouldn’t really say that it’s implying that bv is the fnaf 4 protagonist, since he is technically the main character in the minigames, hence why the page says that his **real story** is told through the minigames and not the gameplay. Not to mention they only mention bv being terrorized by the nightmare animatronics like once in the page where they talk about CC. And I don’t think that nightmare is behind CC, that’s just nightmare Fredbear mainly because of the yellow outlines that takes the shape of nightmare Fredbear head. And how that nightmare jumpscare with his head is just pure black, no yellow outlines that would shape his head. Plus I say that the character encyclopedia give us small hints that Mike is the fnaf 4 player of the gameplay such as calling the left and right hallway as east to well hall like fnaf 1 having the east and west hall. Also they give us the description of the fnaf 4 gameplay room where it says, “Finally there’s The Bedroom, where a child is haunted by terrible memories of a visit to Freddy Fazbear’s Pizza in Five Nights at Freddy’s 4”. Since this is referring to the fnaf 4 steam description where we play as a child or in a position of one that have terrible memories from visits at Freddy’s, it would make more sense for this to be referring to Mike who would have terrible memories from Freddy’s after surviving from that place in five nights in there, and is in a position of a child, which I think makes more sense with Mike being in the position of bv. As for why William experiments on bv that deserves its own comment and I could explain it if you want me to, just that I don’t want to make this comment as long as it’s needs to. So great video, can’t wait for your next one

@zetorocks811

3 ай бұрын

Please explain William’s motives

@ayuubabdi9053

3 ай бұрын

Okay so here it is. Just to include that this will include Charlie first since I believe that Charlie died first in the series. Garrett's Story FNaF4 William wants to further understand how Charlotte possessed the Puppet so he creates experiment rooms with the purpose of breaking a spirit through forcing them be in a constant state of fear. His first victim was Garrett. William spied on him through the Plushbear. As Charlie fears William during her death and her time as the marionette saying that she recognizes William and used to be afraid of him. And her pain after being killed by William is reflected through the tears of the marionette just like when she was crying because she was locked outside of the restaurant at Freddy’s or fredbears. And her connection to the place and her father animatronics. Garrett's constant crying poured literal pieces of himself onto the world, and all the things that referenced 1--3 were in reference to him being apart of everything else and this was especially apparent after his death. William forced Garrett to be in a constant agony and caused him to have one thing that truly made him happy. His friends. He manipulated his spirit to linger on with his friends Freddy, Bonnie, Chica, an out of order Foxy and the unique Golden Freddy where he has his HD at Freddy's. Same as depicted in the Films where Garrett soul lingers on to be attached to Freddy’s and to be a part of fake HD with the MCI kids made by William. This is further shown in the novels where William said that the MCI kids are here with him, their happiest day and says that all that is left is family. And Willam talks about how Charlie and the others are intruders to the MCI kids home, their happiest day at Freddy’s. World depicts William tying Garrett's fate with the missing children since I think that glitchbear is William, due to how glitchbear says to bv that this is a safe place for him, a sanctuary for him, but later on tells adventure Freddy that there is no safe place, lying to bv about this being a safe place. Which reminds me of William convincing Rory that this facility is a safe place for him and his always being taken care of, never being alone despite that’s just a lie made by William, like with William making the MCI kids think springbonnie is their friends and that their home is at Freddy’s. like how in the original script, there was going to be six kids in the drawing of Bonnie. World shows William tying the memories of the six together, and when the Animatronics are destroyed, the memories of the six can rest together. So what do you think?

@zetorocks811

3 ай бұрын

@@ayuubabdi9053 wait that’s peak. Although I think it’s only the 5 BV shatters into and not the puppet

@ayuubabdi9053

3 ай бұрын

@@zetorocks811 indeed I agree, I mean like the six as like the MCI kids + bv. I wasn’t implying that the puppet also have a part of bv soul or that bv is attached to the puppet the same way he’s attached to the original animatronics.

@zetorocks811

3 ай бұрын

Oh okay

I'm pretty sure Andrew from books is just parallel to Cassidy from games. And I don't think Rory is canon, mostly because some books aren't canon but just are here to explain some stuff from games better

@Sonicmid

3 ай бұрын

Here the proff he exists . Toy chica, anime cut scenes actually kill 7 people in the first there’s already a foxy hook, which likely represents Charlie . Chica and mangle treat the one you should not have killed as a rarity like nobody has seen them before which doesn’t work for golden Freddy because they are literally a team. Chica was there when golden Freddy was born. And shown interacting with him in the Fnaf 2 opening cutscenes and mangle is literally influenced by them. (there’s an Easter egg in mangle fnaf 2 file with golden Freddy titled “yellow”) . Scott himself confirmed that the one you should not have killed his male as he said, he used his son “Jason” as the picture for him . Happiest day is Cassidy meaning that they can’t torture William because they’ve moved on. Also, no golden Freddy doesn’t have two spirits. . Old man consequences says leave the demon to his demons. Implying that the one torturing William is just like him. . Everybody refers to the one you should not have killed as a guy . In curse of dread bear, there is 8 graves surrounding Williams grave. . Orville line “ he tried to release you. He tried to release us, but I’m not gonna let that happen. I will hold you here. I will keep you here no matter how many times they burn us.” this implies the spirit is attached to William as burn means they were burned together . Book argument is bad because Henry came from books and was add to game and so was the mimic. . Andrew is not a parallel to Cassidy due to the logbook showing what Cassidy is really like and she just seems like a nice person trying to help someone else. Where Andrew was mean to his backstory in situation, so they’re not parallels. . There’s a weird theme that in UCN that implies that William and Andrew are the same William hates Henry and Andrew hates William. One of the ucn songs is called eisoptrophobia an unhealthy fear of mirrors. This implies William and the one you should not have killed are the same. . In 6 you can hear William’s heart beating meaning that the person is still alive in the suit. This means that somethings been keeping him alive since he’s wouldn’t be immortal yet due to him not actually getting immortal as his plan fails in follow m . Nightmare, Freddy knows who the one you should not have killed is implying a connection . In the song sleep no more you can hear a heartbeat, which is more proof that ucn is a nightmare caused by the spirit who attached himself to William . Golden Freddy’s appearance in the end meant to represent Henry's end response to William recontextualized in his mind. William is at his most vulnerable and the last thing he remembered was Herny's remark.who again is Herny's mascot? Golden Freddy/Fred bear. This is also why the song that plays is called “void”

@zetorocks811

3 ай бұрын

@Sonicmid also in one of UCN soundtracks you can hear Williams heart beat implying he is alive like in Frights

@Sonicmid

3 ай бұрын

@@zetorocks811wait deadass?💀 OK I found it.

@markofabecic6824

3 ай бұрын

@@Sonicmid wow, so your proof is that Cassidy must be a girl (which isn't stated if they are a girl) and proof from some songs. I never mentioned Cassidy is a girl (I believe they are boy), and they are probably the one who talk with CC in the logbook. As for Andrew, there isn't any proof of them in games. Cassidy could easily be the one who keeps William alive. Again, Andrew may not be a real character in games but just represents Cassidy

@Sonicmid

3 ай бұрын

@@markofabecic6824no my proof is that Toy chica high school years has 7 people die And there’s 8 Graves in curse dread bear Mangle and chica should all know Cassidy however, they treat the one you should not have killed like he’s a specialty like barely anybody has seen him Nightmare Freddy knows “who the one should not have killed” I’m not sure why this isn’t in the comment, but ucn is very connected to Fnaf 4 it’s implied that the character torturing William is an experiment victim Ucn makes the Halloween character Cannon, with the exception of balloon boy, who was always canon for some reason . nightmarionne is the icon character and he is very aware about what’s going on “ this is a nightmare you won’t wake” . Nightmare is also very aware of what’s going on “ I’m here to claim what’s left of you” Jacko chica is under this is created by Andrew so she’s able to know what’s going on as well” greetings from the fire, and the one you should not have killed” Also, if Cassidy is a girl in the book and logbook why would she be a boy in the games.

I think Rory, Andrew, cc

I personally think EvanBearCC (nickname, reference to EvanTubeHD) since the Encyclopedia said he faced off the Nightmares. I personally don’t see Aubergine Man Jr (my nickname for Michael Schmidt) because I don’t think the evidence for him is strong in my opinion. I don’t take motivation of Aubergine Man into consideration, I don’t think there’s enough to understand why he does the things he does. I get the Logbook and Phoney Easter egg but still I don’t think that’s enough for me. But I’m not ruling them out, especially Phoney.

Really well done video, but I think (imo) it’s fair to say that none of them (excluding Rory) went through the Nightmare experiments. Michael isn’t _necessarily_ an experiment victim considering the FNaF 1 phone call Easter Egg and the FNaF 4 trailers “What have you brought home?” line. This puts Shadow Freddy (who is an entity made from Williams wickedness) giving Michael the nightmares into play which can tie the FNaF 1 Easter Egg together as well. BV being an experiment victim cannot work if we take “What is seen in the shadows is easily misunderstood in the mind of a child” into consideration. It contradicts the clues given to us about BVs fears, it kinda contradicts what the experiments were about, and it makes zero sense for Afton to be researching about the paranormal before BVs death. BV was terrified because he saw something that he misinterpreted. He wasn’t scared because he encountered something that *was* scary. Cassidy.. yeah i got nothin on her I mean- Andrew being an experiment victim works best with AndrewMM but that still contradicts the point of the experiments. It’s implied that Afton wants the experiment victims to survive as long as possible, so him killing off Andrew while being in the experiment rooms just doesn’t line up with what we’re told. To also add an extra point against MikeExperiment and for MikeDreamer is the fact that Shadow Freddy is made up from _every_ evil event that William has caused (which would include the experiments,) so this makes Michael seeing the experiment rooms more plausible thanks to SF

@Sonicmid

3 ай бұрын

And probably was able to escape the experiment room, which is what led to William killing him hence the whole line about toy Chica waiting after” school to throw a bag over his head hit him with a shovel and throw him into the back of her car”

In the chica highschool years, the kid that got hit over the head with a shovel and put in the back of the car still woke up, i dont get why people skip over that part, and she says she'll blame balloon boy for it? I'm assuming this means literally blaming an animatronic

@Jubumby

3 ай бұрын

@zetorocks cassidy has memories of the fnaf 4 room, meaning crying child probably experienced it, then cassidy passed it on to mike, the only question is how, i'd assume he'd have cassidy attach to him, so maybe getting scooped connected him to the rest of the spirits or having ennard inside

@Sonicmid

3 ай бұрын

Here’s my take on that After William tricked Andrew into thinking he was going to save him from his father. He took Andrew to the nightmare experiment chamber, where he was trapped there for 2 years Somehow Andrew was able to find a way to escape the experiment chamber and the underground bunker however, William knows this, so he catches Andrew offguard and hit him with a shovel putting a bag over his head and throwing him into his car William takes Andrew to the 1985 Freddy’s. He is the security guard probably so he’s able to get in easily Andrew would then wake up and William will try one last time to manipulate him trick him but it wouldn’t work so William would brutally murder Andrew and will hide his remains inside a golden Freddy suit. However, because William got physical and got his flesh and blood on him and you didn’t possess that suit he possessed William.

BV can't be an experiment victim. His fear of the animatronics is shown to stem from ONE thing that he saw, not a set of nightmare experiments. Also, whatever BV saw was something innocent he misinterpreted as scary... the Nightmare experiments wouldn't be a misinterpretation, it'd just be... what's actually happening

I think Michael goes through the fnaf 4 experiments in 1984 as punishment for breaking out in midnight motorist

@Sonicmid

3 ай бұрын

I don’t think midnight motors is about Michael or the Afton family

@Tazmain.

3 ай бұрын

@@Sonicmid ok

@Tazmain.

3 ай бұрын

@@Sonicmid who do you think it is about then?

@whocaresaboutthename6850

3 ай бұрын

​@@SonicmidAndrewMM mid

@whocaresaboutthename6850

3 ай бұрын

​@@SonicmidLiterally no reason for Scott to make a main minigame abt some random new kid in his final game made to clarify stuff

Can I say that I do not like that the FNAF 4 Nights were real/experiments? It really unnecessarily complicated FNAF's story (or just FNAF 4 specifically). Mike could have just been having Nightmares about his guilt and/or experience with FNAF 1 and that would have been it. How in the world were we supposed to know and figure out the Nights were real/experiments with just FNAFs 1-4?

@zetorocks811

3 ай бұрын

Because they weren’t. And FNaF 4’s gameplay is still the same as it was back when it was released, Nightmare using Michael’s guilt to torment him. It’s just that Scott added more context around the gameplay itself.

@Sonicmid

3 ай бұрын

Unpopular opinion, but the nightmares being real is actually a fire idea I was against it to but the way dittophobia handle it makes it awesome. William trapping his victims and putting them in a cycle of pain is genuinely terrifying . It’s genuinely sad when you see William Rory give up except his fade and it hurts when you know he’s done this over and over again.

@zetorocks811

3 ай бұрын

@@Sonicmid and it’s implied it happened before and it will happen again. I hope the next time he was able to fight through the manipulation and escape and is living a happy life now

@Sonicmid

3 ай бұрын

@@zetorocks811knowing Fnaf we’re in the 2030 now I’m pretty sure he just bit the dust. Probably died to old age.

@zetorocks811

3 ай бұрын

Or maybe he’s still alive because Dittophobia takes place in the modern day and it’s FazEnt first attempt to recreate Afton’s experiments underneath the Pizzaplex. Thus making it a tale from the Pizzaplex

To me, I feel like the person who went through the experiments *must* be the same person we play as in FNaF4. Dittophobia & the gameplay of FNaF4 are just too similar, and arguing it to be anyone else requires stretching the similarities to be for some other reason with pure speculation. I know you suggested that the Bite Victim told William about his nightmares & that's what inspired the experiments, but that's just too speculative to me. So it has to be either Michael or the Bite Victim. I always found the idea that we play as Michael in FNaF4 strange, as unless Michael is the Bite Victim, the nightmares make no sense. All the nightmares are directly attacking & jumping at *us,* representing things we're *scared* of. There's nothing to suggest that we feel guilty, or that there's any paranormal influence. That means we play as the Bite Victim in FNaF4, meaning he was the one who went through the experiments. I personally believe the missing children died in 1983 before FNaF4, so if that were true, that solves the issue you presented in the video. This could also explain how Michael knows about Nightmare Fredbear. He could've also gone through the experiments, and if he didn't, he was at least a witness to it. It's not intuitive, but it's the only alternative that doesn't require Michael to be the Bite Victim. Interestingly, if the Bite Victim was the one who went through the experiments, that suddenly makes it possible for the FNaF4 family to not be Aftons at all, as the SL Private Room is really the only thing that supports that. With it instead being about the experiments, there's really no reason for the Bite Victim or FoxyBro to be Aftons. Proofreading this, I realize how controversial this all is. I'll explain myself as best I can, but just know, I'm not as well-versed in FNaF lore as most theorists I've seen.

@zetorocks811

3 ай бұрын

Michael is the FNaF 4 protagonist because the FNaF 1 night 1 phone call can be heard in the background. Furthermore the way the animatronics act in FNaF 4 are similar to FNaF 1. The Easter Eggs by the bed (Flowers, IV, Pills) are not stuff BV could’ve seen because he went in a coma after the bite (and the pills are most likely Mike’s sleeping pills if we take the movie into consideration). The reason the nightmares represent BV’s fears are because of Michael’s guilt, he’s basically dreaming himself as his brother facing off against himself. Nightmare Fredbear shows this as well, Nightmare Fredbear is BV symbolically. Like how Mike bullied BV, N. Fredbear is doing the same to Michael. Even their laughs sound similar. There’s also the fact that BV dies on night 6 but there are still 2 more nights after that

@UnoriginalJokester

3 ай бұрын

@@zetorocks811 The Nightmare animatronics acting like the FNaF1 animatronics could be explained by FNaF4 being the final chapter, and Scott chose to make it parallel FNaF1 to give a thematically appropriate send-off for the series. The pills are in the exact same place as the flowers & IV: next to the player's bed. So unless the flowers & IV represent something else in Michael's life for some strange reason, the pills should also be for the Bite Victim, just like the IV & flowers. They definitely belong to the Bite Victim. Since coma patients can't take pills, it's likely that the hospital equipment is only there to confirm that he's in the hospital. The specific items don't matter much. Speaking of which, the fact that the hospital equipment can appear even before Night 5 disproves the "Bite Victim dies after Night 6" argument, as this shows that the period of time we're in with both the gameplay & minigames clearly don't align with each other. Even going with the whole "guilt" angle, some aspects of the nightmares still don't make sense. For example, Plushtrap & Nightmare BB are fears exclusive to the Bite Victim. Plushtrap represents the finger-trap that one kid outside Fredbear's owns, and Nightmare BB represents that one balloon kid next to the driveway. Neither of which FoxyBro has any reason to fear or regret, or heck, even know *exist.* On a related note, if this really were a guilt nightmare, shouldn't Nightmare Foxy be the final boss instead of Fredbear? As he represents the kind of person FoxyBro was to the Bite Victim during the times he's seemingly so regretful over. Fredbear was just an animatronic. And while Nightmare Fredbear does laugh, Nightmare Foxy hides from you & scares you when you check the closet, exactly like how FoxyBro hides & waits for the Bite Victim to come to scare him. They even have the exact same mini-scare sound. The only truly solid point in my opinion is the FNaF1 phone call easter egg. Though, it's possible that the Bite Victim only had these nightmares as a ghost sometime after FNaF1. Cassidy asks him "DO YOU HAVE DREAMS?" in the Logbook, so that could be used as potential evidence of this. Even she asked Michael that question, her questions are still meant to be for the Bite Victim.

@zetorocks811

3 ай бұрын

@UnoriginalJokester the flower and IV represent Mike in BV’s hospital room. Nightmare Fredbear is the boss because it is animatronic that *killed* BV. Mike is facing off against the animatronic that killed him (and my whole idea of nightmare Fredbear being BV symbolically maybe too). Also the final boss is Shadow Freddy because Shadow Freddy is an agony creature and he making Mike face off against his guilt to feed off his agony.

@UnoriginalJokester

3 ай бұрын

@@zetorocks811 Again, they're next to the player's bed, implying they belong TO the player. The fact that the FNaF4 bed is also a hospital bed in Security Breach also shows that.

@zetorocks811

3 ай бұрын

@UnoriginalJokester I mean maybe? The Security Breach thing though literally has a red X above it implying FNaF 4 does not happen in the hospital. Also something else. Never in a game before or after FNaF 4 had the person we play as in the mini games be the protagonist of the game itself (you could argue SL’s custom night cutscenes, but you don’t actually control Mike in those)

Hi I'm here to kill misinformation. Cassidy is a boy. He's referred to as "he" in UCN. (“He's here, and always watching: the one you should not have killed.”) Yes Cassidy is a unisex name. And the image of Cassidy's face is literally a photo of one of Scott's sons IIRC. Anyways my theory is that Andrew is literally just the book version of Cassidy but because the fandom collectively hallucinated that he's a girl, nobody's figured this out.

@Sonicmid

3 ай бұрын

UCN not referring to Cassidy also books are canon no parallels.

Don’t worry, one day we’re gonna sit together and say “it was hard but we made it” @zetorocks @youtube

@zetorocks811

3 ай бұрын

Cheers mate