i honestly don’t care if someone’s a nepo baby as long as they’re talented. biggest example in my mind is willow smith. nepo baby because of will and jada, but her music and voice and overall aesthetic is more than enough to stand on her own

@VictoriaClerici

2 күн бұрын

that's right, i don't mind nepo babies as long as i can tell they put work into their craft and don't rely solely on their family/contacts, i'm not sure if that's the case for gracie

@FormalFilmsProductions

2 күн бұрын

Agree

@All-ze9cl

2 күн бұрын

also as long as they acknowledge it in the right way, like Maya Hawke saying that she recognizes that she's where she is because of her parents, but she also wants to continue doing what she loves

@almondypeanut

2 күн бұрын

i personally don’t think gracie abrams is a nepo baby, sure she has a well known dad, but i don’t think that anyone who likes star wars only likes gracie because of her dad. i didn’t even know she was the daughter of jj abrams until i started doing more research on her, and he wasn’t the reason i continued listening. the money from her parents definitely helped her get a head start in her music, but her writing and voice is what makes people continue to listen to her, not her dad. i think once people know she is the daughter of jj abrams they put her in the category of nepotism, but her career is completely different to what her dad does. sorry for the rant, these are just my thoughts on gracie getting called a nepo baby.

@All-ze9cl

2 күн бұрын

@@almondypeanut yeah, but there's plenty of other nepo babies whose parents are in different fields. Like Willow for example, whos dad and more are actors. Also, it may not be clear on the surface, but Gracie has the popularity and has been given the opportunities because of who her dad is.

better question... who even is gracie abrams

@gavin9956

2 күн бұрын

tea

@sourav5240

Күн бұрын

no becauz this is the only time i even saw her 🤣🤣

@valorie444

Күн бұрын

lol right

@valorie444

Күн бұрын

well i listened to her music (risk specifically) and i do like it, it falls under my type of music i listen to anyways so i may listen to her full album but i will not become a stan.

@ButIamAStick

Күн бұрын

An even better question.. Why is Gracie Abrams?

the whole "if you disagree with my fav's behaviour or dunk on my fav's music it's misogyny" argument is REALLY annoying. lke I get there's definitely wisdom to the idea that shitting on things women/teen girls tend to like just because is bad, but let's not pretend there isn't legitimate beef to be had with some of these artists/movies/books/whatever.

@carolitoffana

2 күн бұрын

Ok, but Drake was literally outed for being a Pedo and it didn't received half of the critics and attention that an average female artists gets for literally anything..in fact I would say that most, if not all the "music commentators" seemed to brush off the topic entirely to focus on the "beef"...I'm sorry, it may be annoying but it's very true the double standards.

@K.C-2049

2 күн бұрын

@@carolitoffana yes you're right and I definitely agree that women and the media and art we create is judged to MUCH higher standards than that of men, but that still doesn't mean that all criticisms of art/media made by women, or women's behaviour, is necessarily misogyny. it can be hard to delineate fair criticism from misogyny though, this is absolutely true, especially when misogynists have figured out how to dog whistle so effectively by codifying their hatred as "critical analysis" lol usually I just try to engage them in good faith until they start using words like "woke agenda" and out themselves. additionally, if the criticism is "Twilight can be seen as problematic because it romanticizes an abusive relationship which could be harmful to young girls" or "Taylor Swift needs to be held accountable for her use of private jets and emissions if she wants to be regarded as a progressive figure", like that's 100% in my mind not a misogynist argument.

@cocoooo222

2 күн бұрын

@@carolitoffanaRight. Taylor swift for example, it’s like a trend to openly dislike her, and while there are multiple valid reasons to not like her as a person, most people’s reasonings are because of her music. I ain’t a fan personally but the way some ppl talk about her is just icky like omg 😭. I don’t see anyone hating male artists as much as they apparently despise some of these female ones.

@cocoooo222

2 күн бұрын

And to add to this, the people who don’t like her for her “problematic actions” will at the same time continue to support other artists (especially male ones) who have done way worse. Just picking and choosing and it pisses me off like do you really care for her problematic tendencies, or smth as simple as not liking her music, or do you just love hating on successful women with no actual reasoning behind it? Again, there’s a reaosn to dislike the woman, but lets not act like alot of the hatred towards her is just plain old misogyny. The some things these middle aged men say about her on twitter is so sickening and everyone just allows it bc “her music is bad” 🤦‍♀️.

@carolitoffana

2 күн бұрын

@@cocoooo222 Also, why people act like she is the ONLY person in the entire world that owns a jet?? the Carters own a Jet, Drake owns a Jet, but somehow Taylor is the only source of carbon dioxide in the globe

sierra mist is such a pretty name im so mad its a discontinued soft drink and not an actual pop girlie

@oliviasayshi7517

2 күн бұрын

She's a sex worker/influencer, and the reason the drink is discontinued

@caseyw.6550

2 күн бұрын

Wait...Sierra mist is discontinued? 😮

@juliavoltmann8046

2 күн бұрын

@@caseyw.6550they renamed it starry, for some reason

@gabitron420

2 күн бұрын

@@caseyw.6550 according to wikipedia it is, it was replaced by a similar drink called starry

@lisamujo287

2 күн бұрын

@@juliavoltmann8046woah 🫨🤯 I had no idea Starry was a rebrand of Sierra Mist.

The whole "if you don't like female artist you hate women" argument is really sounding like white feminism to me, i never hear this defense used for anyone that isn't thin, and white, and rich and attractive. That doesn’t mean that people don't ever hide their dislike for women under their dislike for Taylor swift or twilight, but its an overused excuse. Especially with all the literal racism in Twilight. Also, not all women are feminine, so someone not liking femininity is not necessarily misogyny, though i know it can be. However, femininity is not something that women as a whole chose, it was pushed onto us. That doesn’t make it bad of course, i personally prefer feminine stuff, but it isn't inherent to women, yet a lot of 'progressive' people nowadays acts like it does.

i really only disliked gracie bc of what she said abt finn wolfhard tbh

@olayceesay20

2 күн бұрын

Honestly valid, that was really weire

@4.9.a.l.i.7.7

2 күн бұрын

thats lowkey all i know about her. i just generally associate her with like idk sad girl pheobe bridgers type pop which i really really dont like so i never bothered to learn more edit: i watched the video and whoah i thought she just like called him hot or wtv she actually acknowledged he was a minor and still said she was down in the post thats so weird wtf 💀

@kingvampstan

2 күн бұрын

I still dislike her for it. And also for making terrible music, and trying to be a indie artist but bad.

@kingvampstan

2 күн бұрын

@@4.9.a.l.i.7.7 Phoebe Bridgers is a lot better than Gracie, please do not group them together. 🙏🙏

@tacoreibrown6560

2 күн бұрын

exactly like shes so weird for that

Paul Mescal is either super infantilized (uwu my little Irish baby boy) or hyper sexualized (all the people admitting openly online they only watched Normal People for the scenes where his pants are off and he's going full frontal); there is seemingly no inbetween.

@JayJay-17

2 күн бұрын

Honestly I feel like that how it is with a lot of “beloved” male (white) celebrities, especially white boys of the month. I noticed these adult men being treated like babies like oh he’s so cute like this isn’t a 30+ man with kids. You can see them being hyper sexualized if you’ve watched any of the so and so reads thirst traps from twitter. Some are so sexual I get uncomfortable and clutch my pearls.

@carrington2949

2 күн бұрын

I feel like that is an apt description of his character in Normal People.

@meghansullivan6812

2 күн бұрын

Omg there’s full frontal in it?? I never finished the show I was getting too sad and that made me uncomfy lol

@valorie444

Күн бұрын

he is handsome but the way his female fans and male fans treat him is so distasteful its nauseating.

@syntheticsilkwood2206

Күн бұрын

I am not a fan of taylor or gracie I only clicked on this video because of paul And I wasn't familiar with him until I saw after sun which is one of my fav movies and his performance was so phenomenal So when I saw what his fanbase was like it kinda weirded me out lol because he's so talented and people don't appreciate his acting prowess to the level they should

the only thing i know about gracie abrams is the weird post she made about finn wolfhard

@sharlowtay_thestar

2 күн бұрын

what did the post say?

@rafaellaisalto

2 күн бұрын

@@sharlowtay_thestar she posted at picture of him from st season 1 (when he was 13/14 yo) captioned "sticky situation: knowing he's 14 but still being incredibly down"

@maddslovesfictionalcharacters

2 күн бұрын

i don’t know how anyone can still like her after finding out about it it’s icky

@sharlowtay_thestar

2 күн бұрын

@@rafaellaisalto 😭girl what. catching a case speedrun fr

@mikepenwis3362

2 күн бұрын

sticky situation...............

I can’t take anyone seriously when they say “oh if you don’t like her music you’re a misogynist”

@thesealky6445

2 күн бұрын

Same

“If you heard of JJ before Gracie you’re over 50” isn’t the defense against nepotism that poster might think it is. Like. Putting aside even the idea of if it’s wrong or right, that’s the age of record execs. Also I’m not old.

@night4263

Күн бұрын

Nice try but you exposed yourself Unc

@megan-mr9vk

Күн бұрын

crazy considering he directed two of the most recent star wars trilogy films, the last one being in 2019. millennials definitely cared about that, so did a lot of gen z.

I think her sudden blowup does have a lot to do with her connections as a nepo baby. I’m not saying she is or isn’t talented (I’ve never heard one of her songs) but I do definitely think the constant press coverage of her feels very insider driven and not a reflection of an organic growth. This is probably my biggest issues with a lot of nepo babies as they receive a disproportionate amount of mainstream media attention based solely on who they are and not what they’ve actually done, like every single time a nepo baby has a new project, the media jumps on the news immediately regardless of whether it’s truly newsworthy. While self-made artists don’t have that same privilege and instead have to earn any recognition or mention in the press that they receive, which can take years of building up an underground audience, as they have to create their own buzz in other to garner any media attention and yet nepo babies have a built-in advantage since the “buzz” surrounding them and reiterated by media coverage is already there from the start and based off of their name/connections.

@meghansullivan6812

2 күн бұрын

Yessss fr. She was one of my eras openers and I was honestly so disappointed lol, I really wanted girl in red instead

@Jdubayou

Күн бұрын

This is exactly why I get so annoyed when people started calling Chappell Roan an industry plant. She's the exact opposite of someone like Gracie Abrams. Born in a small town in Missouri with working class parents that have zero industry connections, had to grind for nearly a decade before seeing any success. Zero chance someone with the talent level of Gracie would have ever been signed to a label if she had the same starting point in life.

Gracie Abrams makes soundtracks for millenial house renovation tiktoks

@mikaylasmith7600

Күн бұрын

This is a roast a kin to 'If she was a spice, she'd be flour'. (This is a compliment)

@tehejuliannetehe

13 сағат бұрын

you think you sounded so cool saying that lol

@wetsock7790

12 сағат бұрын

@@tehejuliannetehe not really

When I heard Anthony Fantano say that Gracie Abrams’ lead single off her new album sounded like her doing a pretty decent Lorde impression, it completely changed how I listen to her music. I know that may seem shallow, but holy shit, he’s right. Like, I know there’s the whole “cUrSiVe sInGiNg” meme but holy shit, the stuff I’ve heard from Gracie’s new album sounds like Melodrama rejects, and like… I adore Melodrama, I think it’s the besto op album of the 2010s and in the top 5 pop albums of the entire 21st century so far, but if I want to listen to Melodrama, I’ll just…. Listen to Melodrama???? On the whole nepo baby thing, I completely understand where you’re coming from when it comes to people picking and choosing how they use or weaponize the term. Like, prime example, my former friend and I really really love Maya Hawke and we used to call her “our comfort nepo baby”. She’s truly the only nepo baby (that I know of, though I guarantee there’s a lot of others) that I’m truly like a diehard fan of. I do genuinely like Gracie’s music, especially her first album from a couple years ago, but.. idk. Stan culture is fucking exhausting, and I say that as someone who actively is a stan of things

@YourFriendlyNeighborhoodTaxCol

Күн бұрын

Yes, I totally agree with you! There are always going to be trends in the music industry especially cursive and whisper singing, but Jesus when Fantano pointed that out it was clear as day she was copying Lorde. Like most female musicians do the whole cursive singing but this just sounded like a complete rip-off derivative of Lorde

@JamesLawner

8 сағат бұрын

I didn’t even watch that review, I just heard her song, Us, and immediately noticed the vocals 😂

I pray on Twitters downfall. When all the big companies and creators leave it, the world will finally start to heal

@meriboberi

2 күн бұрын

X

@mysteriousdora6914

2 күн бұрын

@@meriboberinever calling it that and wont start now

@sourav5240

Күн бұрын

please the most dogshit social media ever..

Nepotism in the arts is nothing new. Both Mozart and Beethovan's fathers were composers. As long as a person is talented I usually don't care.

@nikibronson133

2 күн бұрын

It depends because that means they had connections though that plenty of the other talented people have never had. It’s inherently unfair and I’m not saying there’s anything you can do about that. I’m just saying that the person doesn’t have the same Creedence is someone that literally came from a no-name.

@quangphung3369

Күн бұрын

Beeth and Mozart? Cmon, give us a break. Their fathers were talent composers and their sons inherited that in their blood. Gracie’s father is not a musician, he works in music industry and he possessed lots of relationships. Beeth and Mozart are famous for being themself, not for being someone “daughter”

@EvanSol919

Күн бұрын

@quangphung3369 If you're parents were famous and had connections are you saying that you wouldn't use them?

@megan-mr9vk

Күн бұрын

@@quangphung3369you’re clearly romanticizing a time that you have no connection to and comparing it to present day, which you are more likely to view through a critical lens. yes, they were talented composers, but i guarantee you there were others who didn’t have the upbringing to foster the talent nor connections to become so famous during their time and ubiquitous in our current day.

@NiLuMo99

Күн бұрын

​@@nikibronson133ofc it's unfair, but that's the same for billions of people in the world, because they were born in a poor country f.e. Where do you start? I listen to the musican, because I like the music, period.

"Yes Kayla says" we all say in unison.

@jamiekelly3113

Күн бұрын

I couldn’t agree more

i have my gripes with fantano, but he frequently gives female written albums high ratings and actually delves into to and understands the concepts on said albums

@gm.8805

Күн бұрын

his reaction to secret of us is justified, but with ttpd, it was just not objective. he went on a rant about how taylor shouldn't say she grew up in an asylum (which was a metaphor for a toxic music industry) and didn't even bother to properly listen to the anthology.

@Akiono-ih5tl

Күн бұрын

​​@@gm.8805 self-proclaim music critic and then missing the whole point of metaphors was so hilarious to watch 😂 he really went off for nothing

@mauricioaguilera1479

Күн бұрын

​@@gm.8805"grew up"? Was she not 17 when her first album appear? Is a wierd way to put it haha "grew up" sounds like when you are a child or something

@coolchameleon21

Күн бұрын

@@gm.8805 tbf i wouldn’t want to listen to that either

@bonjourista

Күн бұрын

Many people have problem with that. It's a valid criticism.. It is kind of icky to use this as a metaphor when you're billionaire and your parents invested into you and your career. Sure she probably has bad stories about it, but from what we know of her that metaphor seems hypocritical. ​@@gm.8805

Okay but Taylor trying to help her out and even bring her out to perform “Us” to a mild reception and Taylor telling the crowd to cheer for her again, and the song still flopped

@jellytwins1018

2 күн бұрын

Tbf the song had come out like a day before they performed it, plus it was in the UK not in the US. But yeah, not exactly big hit

@GrapefruitPizza

Күн бұрын

Wdym flopped? She's #1 in UK and #2 in US

@quangphung3369

Күн бұрын

@@GrapefruitPizzathe song, not album/LP. You could manipulate to sell your copies LP by many ways but it’s not easy that way for the singles.

@Givemepeacealone

Күн бұрын

@@quangphung3369Taylor Swift being featured is the riggamorris

@cherryblossommoon.

Күн бұрын

THE SONG DID NOT FLOP HELLO? U TRY MAKING A SONG WITH TAYLOR SWIFT

everything i learned about gracie abrams i learned against my will

You can’t convince me that Taylor and Gracie aren’t barnacles on each other’s asses-Gracie wants instant fame in the music industry to prove she’s not a flop nepo baby while Taylor wants to make as many connections as possible in the film industry because she wants to get an Oscar whether it’s for being in films or making music for films as long as she gets to take home that naked little gold man.

@Jdubayou

Күн бұрын

That's exactly what I think it is. Hasn't Taylor been saying she wants to direct a feature length film? If so it's very obvious she is bringing up Gracie as a favor to JJ Abrams so he will owe her when she needs it.

@JamesLawner

8 сағат бұрын

@@Jdubayou Taylor already signed on with Searchlight Pictures to make her feature debut.

I always have to remind myself to not let "nepo baby" cloud my critique of someone's art. I'm not always successful. I'm having a hard time not thinking of Gracie Abrams as a nepo baby because in 2024 Pop Girl Summer, she doesn't stand out. It's hard not to think "this person had significant advantages another person making the same music wouldn't" when I saw Gracie Abrams' album suggested to me on the Spotify homepage with her TSwift feature.

@jaiweenie

2 күн бұрын

It depends who I discover first, the artist or their famous parent. For Gracie, I heard her name around a couple of times but never really knew who she was until I made it my homework to listen to some of her stuff since she was opening for my stop at the eras tour. By total coincidence, at the same time I was starting to get into lost, and I found out about jj Abrams. Put two and two together and I said yup this girl had some good support growing up. Good for her tho. Since then every time she's brought up I'm like 'oh, lost guy's daughter'. Either way, I guess my indifference is also because I was never able to connect to her music or lyrics. She's a decent performer and put on a pretty good show at my city, but her music just isn't my thing I guess. She seems like she has potential tho

@mariakarolina7753

Күн бұрын

@@jaiweenie In my case, I've known of JJ Abrams for a long time, and when I found out about Gracie I didn't make the connection because that's a pretty common last name, I only found out through twitter late last year. But regardless, all connections in the world aren't going to work if the product isn't relatively good, and I believe it is. Nothing great, nothing awful, mid but enjoyable to me. I'd say her connection to Taylor has helped even more, that's the only reason I listened to her (cute yet nothing special) new album.

She’s a little weird for the things she said about Finn Wolfhard

@tencelTechnologist

2 күн бұрын

they’re 2 years apart, basically the same age

@bananabreadandmilk

2 күн бұрын

​@@tencelTechnologistThey have a four year difference if I'm not wrong and he was 14 She was 18, If it wasn't wrong and such a big deal why did she apologize?

@yoshikitte

2 күн бұрын

⁠@@tencelTechnologisttheir ages at the time were freshman and senior/graduated ages. please be so serious rn

@tencelTechnologist

Күн бұрын

@@yoshikitte lots of freshman/seniors dated when I was in hs. they were both teens so I don't see the issue. They were born in 1999 and 2002 so they would have been in hs at the same time if they didn't already have jobs.

@mauricioaguilera1479

Күн бұрын

​@@tencelTechnologistwierd people

The lines between hate, disliking and criticism have been erased and really need to come back.

@JamesLawner

8 сағат бұрын

The problem is that pop-culture rage-baiters on social media are solely responsible for that.

I love Gracie's music, but her new album was underwhelming for me. I don't think she'd have the career she has if she weren't JJ Abrams daughter, and I don't think she's doing anything groundbreaking, but I think she does has talent and potential. And hey, she's still really young. Time will tell. Maybe she'll grow as an artist and create something truly great. Maybe she'll fade away into obscurity. In the meantime, I'll be listening and (mostly) enjoying.

@erikdaniels0n

2 күн бұрын

I do think the nepo baby thing is a major element of it, but also, her hitching her wagon to the Taylor Swift train also didn’t hurt. I find it funny how when Olivia Rodrigo hitched HER wagon to the Taylor train, a lot of people said she was cloutchasing to the point that Olivia like never mentions Taylor anymore, but when Gracie and to a lesser extent Sabrina Carpenter do it, it’s okay and they can get away with it. Make it make sense, luv

@Notsomethingtoknow

2 күн бұрын

@@erikdaniels0n felt like sabrina and gracie had their musical identity before taylor came into the picture though, while olivia was just coming into her identity with drivers license while she was being a swiftie. None of them deserves to be called a clout chaser though, the disrespect-

@night4263

Күн бұрын

Woke up and chose to casually speak facts I see

the Swiftie culture of Taylor-exclusive feminism is really spreading like a disease onto other fandoms what really got me in the case of Fantano is a tweet saying "the fact that he called TTPD performative victimhood and gave it a 2 should've shown everyone he is a misogynist" as if that's not what that album is through and through lmao

@4.9.a.l.i.7.7

2 күн бұрын

bye i thought it was an unspoken rule that we just dont question fantano

@kingvampstan

2 күн бұрын

I feel like the feminism stuff was started by Barbz after like the Megan and Cardi stuff.

@rachpatch

2 күн бұрын

we don't even know Taylor how we can't belittle her trauma just because it seems false to us? he is a critic, he should be critical of her music, lyricism, production whatever. She has been in the industry for over ten years now if she wants to write about how it affects her mental health, who are you and I to deny that? He can be critical of her music but what she feels and writes about is not for him to diminish.

@4.9.a.l.i.7.7

2 күн бұрын

@@rachpatch he can say if the lyrics dont feel authentic and feel performative and self victimizing which is a valid criticism

@tonytheparamorestan

2 күн бұрын

@@rachpatch "my boyfriend's selfish depression is getting in the way of me getting attention from him" and "boo hoo my fans criticise me for dating a misogynistic racist" is not something that I feel like validating sorry not fucking sorry

"And then I explain all of it to you for money" and the cycle never dies 😄

@laincoubert7236

Күн бұрын

that part of the cycle i'm actually down for 😂

No one is afraid of her and her sterile music

Tbh I always thought Gracie Abrams and Maisie Peters were the same person

@iwouldgiveyouthemoon_

2 күн бұрын

lmao their names are so similar. maisie's a much more energetic artist and also not a nepo baby tho so i love her more

Kayla: '"If you are completely unfamliar..." Me: "I am completely unfamiliar. Go on, Kayla."

In regards to Stan twitter/culture, I believe you summed it up pretty well. I personally loved TTPD and understood others didn’t. Instead of getting upset or ranting on twitter (like many chronically online Swifties) I just choose to enjoy the music and be happy. And thus, the album has been #1 on the Billboard Hot 200 for several weeks now. But that wasn’t due to people being toxic online, just people vibing and listening. Life is too short to get mad about people not liking what you like. That goes for anything.

i only know her for saying 14 yr old finn wolfhard could get it

@seanian8986

Күн бұрын

When she was 17 tho

that fiona commenter was so right. his interpretation of newspaper was genuinely so wrong LOL

thank you for delving into the stupidest parts of the internet and explaining it 😭 /gen

as someone who stopped using twitter for my own mental health but still can’t stay away from learning about drama, I need you to know that your channel is like a lifeline for me right now

Lovebomb Desert Storm gonna be my debut album title

I think if you don’t believe Gracie’s success is directly correlated to who her father is, you’re being extremely facetious. The music is fine, I like some of her previous stuff and think this album is mid if not below average. But considering how insanely difficult it currently is to break through in the music industry, mid is not getting the visibility Gracie gets. At all. It’s okay if you enjoy the music, nepotism doesn’t equal bad, but it’s okay to have some awareness and admit that you only know who this girl is because of her father. And I don’t mean you know who her dad is so you know who she is (because I know people will think thats what I mean) but how much she has been promoted and the opportunities she has gotten are due to her father.

@aashu1512

2 күн бұрын

Right!!!

so many things made me laugh: sierra mist, only knowing who JJ Abrams is if you're over 50, you and your partner's lil side chat at the end (it was soo cute)

The Sierra Mist bit from 0:21-1:14 needs to be it's own short/tiktok for when pop girlie drama starts up again

“And then i explain all of this to for money!” - lmao you sure do! it’s been a hot minute since i choked on my water from laughing.

“the secret of us” is reallllly not that good, literally “good riddance” was better, it honestly seems like a regression to me. :3

stan twitter moralizing critique against their faves has hampered art criticism. no one should be afraid of being called sexist for not liking album theneedledrop isn't sexist for disliking Fiona or Grace, he's sexist for disliking Ultraviolence/jk

the opening monologue was so real lol

I actually feel Gracie's being the internet's punch bag lol! While I'm particularly not a fan of hers, I like some of her music but I honestly have some criticism about her as an artist, so when I found out about the Finn Wolfhard situation, I really dug deep; it wasn't hard to find that she actually apologized and acknowledged how weird and wrong it was multiple times. I'm not one to crucify someone about a post they did years ago - and they apologized for, and I'm specially worried about people claiming that Gracie would be harmful to Paul, who's not only older than her, but a very successful actor in the industry

the opening is literally me rn bc i’m at work with the worst headache ever 💔💔

I stopped caring about nepotism about a decade ago. It's not a guarantee of success

@Jdubayou

Күн бұрын

No but it's annoying when someone like Gracie Abrams who makes completely bland and uninteresting music is only able to become famous because of their family. There's zero chance someone of her talent level would be able to organically rise to the level of success she is currently having.

@seanian8986

Күн бұрын

​@Jdubayou I agree the exposure is hard to compete with

I discovered Gracie before her connections to Taylor (not a Swiftie or an Olivia stan just for the record) and without realizing her connection to her dad; I just happened to find her early stuff on either KZread or Spotify and thought it was pleasant. That's how I find all music I like, if I like it, I like it; that's it. I won't deny that KZread and Spotify have their algorithms and will influence what an individual clicks on beyond that, but I digress.

i feel blessed to not even know about her. but i’m not on twitter

The comment on fantano's FTBC review is so funny when you know he gave it a 7 and liked it quite a lot, like it's pretty unwarranted in that context

Gracie was 17 when she said she was into 14 year old Finn, they were both in high school. Finn had literal grown women being gross and hitting on him publicly. A senior thinking a freshman is cute is such a gen z scandal

The nepo baby stuff really hit the ground with a thundering crash because it was just "Hey, did you know that nepo baby is a nepo baby?" over and over again, but of course xitter famously melts brains into slag so it kept on going.

Excellent video. I especially like your ability to rise above situations and view them almost in retrospect even as they're currently happening. keep it up Kayla!

genuinely and not even to be mean to Gracie Abrams, this video is literally only the second time I’ve heard of her. She’s just not the style of music getting pushed to me by my algorithm. I can guarantee that Anthony Fantano and his ilk only know her because they seek out and listen to as many new releases from as many artists as possible because that’s their job. I think the thing with the current music scene and algorithms is that every artist feels like a Lady Gaga or Madonna or Beyoncé or Rihanna level of cultural omnipresence because you’re seeing millions of other fans. Before the internet when an artist had millions of fans, it meant that their fame was wide spread, that 100s of millions of people had heard of them and 1% were die hard devotees. But now it’s easy to push someone exclusively to the niche millions of people who are most likely to like them and not bother with the people who won’t. Now if you’re not a fan it’s probably not because you’re a hater, it’s probably because you literally have never heard of the person. I think this is the real heart of the stan anger. When you believe something is so vastly and profoundly omni significant and someone else questions that significance, you get angry. It’s a similar psychology to religion and politics. It’s a different kind of anger than when you encounter someone who’s just a hater of your fave. To Anthony Fantano, she’s just another filler artist in the spotify catalogue.

I only became aware of her because I saw her perform on The Today Show while in the hospital. I wasn't impressed tbh. She seemed like a bootleg Taylor Swift and I like Taylor's music (though I wouldn't call myself a Swiftie.)

I hadn't even heard of Gracie Abrams until recently, and now I feel like she's suddenly everywhere 😂 Same goes for Chappell Roan

@ITSMETHESHEEP

2 күн бұрын

Chappell is much more popular than Gracie atm

@sugarsailors.5939

2 күн бұрын

@ITSMETHESHEEP and more interesting and arguably (though not really arguably) better /hj

@crumblingphilosophy9323

2 күн бұрын

​@@ITSMETHESHEEP and more talented.

@iwouldgiveyouthemoon_

2 күн бұрын

chappell is so much better than gracie in quite literally every way

@dhsf5937

Күн бұрын

​@@ITSMETHESHEEPBut more annoying.

Not even a moment I feel regret for leaving Twitter for good. Stans for women pop singers throwing the term misogny to everytime a critism appears actually so harmful for the fight against real misogny. Zillenials ungrounded, empty, one-sided wokeness is so exhausting. This girl is a nepo baby. She mimics Lorde and Taylor swift. Anyone have access to her means sure can do pretty much the same.I remember even me feeling traumatized over a pe** post about Finn didnt know it was her. Thanks for the information.

Glad I never ended up being a celebrity my ass would have gotten in trouble joking about liking a kpop idol who was literally 2 years younger than me turning 18 back in 2010 ☠ not that doing that wasn't cringe, just that it didn't mean I was into underage people. I'm not interested in anyone who doesn't remember what they were doing on 9/11. Out of curiosity I looked it up and Gracie Abrams and Finn Wolfhard are three years apart so...yeah I'm just going to chalk that up to being a cringe 18 year old for now. I don't know if things are just different now or it's a chronically online take to be this concerned about young adults having frivolous crushes on people who are still teenagers (if any 18 to 20 year olds have thoughts, sound off), but I was still being like "oohh this famous teenager who looks less like a teenager to me because they are a celebrity and I just graduated high school is hot" until I was like 20 and then I was like wow these teenagers are children. Either way, glad that part of my life is only saved on livejournal.

In the words of THEE legendary Aretha Franklin: "great gowns, beautiful gowns...." 😊

Spot on as always 👌🏽

I don't and will never have the ability to understand this blind defense of art by stans. When I like something I want it to be good and I'll be the one who'll be disappointed when it's not. These people instead go the opposite direction and put SO MUCH EFFORT into defending bad things made by the people they like. It's totally counter intuitive.

@Jdubayou

Күн бұрын

Them defending that bad art also just encourages the artist to make more bad art because they know they can get away with it.

i love the outro

¡I love your content!❤

Superb intro, truly

I feel a more better and nuanced discourse on Anthony Fantano is his review on black music like R&B and hip hop music, specifically how misinformed he can be on them and view them though the lens of white male dominated alternative rock music since he’s a bigger and more informed fan of that genre. Never forget back in 2017 when he called one of rapper wale’s song a cash grab attempt at the caribbean dancehall wave when it was actually a afro-beat based song and it worst bc wale is a Nigerian American who’s incorporate afro beat prior to the 2017 song he reviewed. I feel there’s more nuanced to that discourse than him being misogynistic to any female artist I do there’s validity to it especially that misinformed Fiona apple review but not all the time

@carolitoffana

2 күн бұрын

Thank you!

@carolitoffana

Күн бұрын

@@Nuttybutters420 a bad take with no substance is not a "review", he didn't knew half of the references in Kendricks disses 😅

as somebody who has been a follower of gracie before she toured w olivia and taylor, i think that saying she’s so similar to taylor is a bit goofy. even if her most recent album has influence from taylor because she’s worked w her, her previous stuff is absolutely not like that. had no idea about the finn wolfhard thing that’s weird af but i hate that whenever we talk about woman in the industry we always have to pair or compare them w whoever they share the spotlight w

Finally a comprehensive explanation of her I can genuinely watch through and learn more from! I am not being advertised her content and have no interest in seeking it out so this made me understand it all now. Thank you for your service as always ❤️

can you do a video on why paul is so popular? i dont go on social media often but whenever i hear about him, its just people incoherently losing it over him

I like what I like and I don’t like what I don’t like. I don’t care if someone else likes or doesn’t like the things I like or don’t like. And vice versa: my like or dislike of something should not matter to you and shouldn’t impact your like or dislike of things. I don’t understand why this is hard to understand

I’m literally one second in and your side profile is so pretty????

Stan culture in general is really messing with people's heads, and there's a relationship between celebrity worship and low intelligence + emotional regulation. I'm still, to this day, getting replies attacking me for a comment from your Camila video, because some people cannot be normal. I'm so over it. If someone can't just like something without making it their identity, they genuinely need counseling and psychiatric help.

I think most negative review backlashes stem from poptimism and the damage that it did to music critism. not saying that Gracie Abrams is garbage, but I think stans got so used to boring slop getting reviewed positively that they get mad when their fav gets a less than positive review. also, stan wars cuz it means that they can’t brag about their fave’s metacritic score 🙄

“Gracie Abrams? I’ve heard of that last name before I feel like” was my only thought clicking on this video. Thank you Kayla for culturing me

I got recommended this video because I’m a fan of Gracie Abrams before the current album? I didn’t even know she had a new album. I just like her older song Mess It Up. Under 50 for reference.

Bruh Paul Mescal is a full 28 year old grown man ☠️

The only thing I know about her is who her father is but I’m still watching this video 😂

When Starry became the new It Girl, I was SHOCKED. We stan Sierra Mist, the unproblematic QUEEEN.

@justjoannak

Күн бұрын

This, omg

nah that post is weird as hell

"you can just like.. let it go." if only

As a big fan of Gracie Abrams, i don't disagree with any point made in this video, but id like to address a few. I think stan culture can be weird, but i think cancel culture is worse, it is unnecessary and lacking in empathy. It also gives me a very big headache. I don't like throwing around the word "misogynist" but i can kind of understand where the fans are coming from. In society, generally, things that are viewed as "for women" are pretty looked down upon (shopping, clothes, art, etc.) another big example would be Taylor Swift. seriously, the hate she gets is ridiculous, its just people finding any reason to hate her and its pretty frustrating. since Taylor and Gracie are so closely associated and pretty similar id assume that's the "misogyny" part. Gracie is a nepotism baby but i don't know how she's faulted for that? She wanted to pursue music and also her dad is famous, of course she had help getting there and i think that's a great thing and she's using it to her advantage in a productive way. The Finn Wolfhard controversy is obviously upsetting but it's not right to call her a predator, like, that's not even what that means?? She made a creepy comment, that doesn't mean she dates children, like whattt

@sharlowtay_thestar

2 күн бұрын

saying youre 'down' for a 14 year old (!!) is not okay. of course it doesnt mean she dates children, but she obviously implied that she was attracted to him at some extent (enough to tweet about it on the internet)

@kayleegrant534

6 сағат бұрын

​@@sharlowtay_thestar I completely agree!! I do think that people take it too far sometimes though.. I really do think there's bigger fish to fry when it comes to predators

that intro is a 10/10

I love the point you made about Fantano. I'm glad I left Twitter because I fed into so much toxicity. I always go by the motto, judge someone by their character not their tastes or hobbies.

Ngl this is the first time ive heard about her. Figured she'd be jj's daughter tho

I see JJ Abrams name in every movie almost and I’m 25

I dunno who that is. Do I even care? No. Celebritys and worshipping them is a sign of densenes.

Love the scribbles in the beginning

And genuinely, critics not liking things that you like shouldn't be that big of a deal. I like a lot critically panned shit and it's ok i swear😂

I feel like in both ways, the ones criticizing and the ones who can't take criticism are becoming toxic. There are some good criticisms for the albums but they get shadowed by the haters who in name of criticism just hate instead. And the stans being defenders in recent years have become sensitive to even least bad or good criticism.

I agree wholeheartedly with Anthony... And I am gay man who almost solely listen to female musitians since I was a child... (Inc. Taylor). This "If you don't like X you are misogynistic" is lame like, sometimes people will listen to a song/album and will not like it, for the sound of it alone. And in the case of Gracie, people knowing her connections makes this situation worst because people who didn't like the album (which is most people) will think "wow, a smaller more talented musitian would never get to work with those producers so early in their carrers.. and here Gracie is.." and I think it's completly normal to be upset with injustices like that.

Making music is the least harmful thing that a kid of a multimillionaire/billionaire can do. I'd rather nepo babies to make tons of mid albums than becoming the mogul of an oil company or a CEO of some unnecessary tech startup exploiting the working class.

@iain9757

Күн бұрын

I’d rather they create a stop motion production company like Laika

i just learned about gracie abrams and still to this day don't what paul mescal even does lol

Am I the only one who thinks Gracie Abrams sounds like Lorde? I think we, as a society, need to speak out against the “Indie Girl” voice. That Vine about the guy doing the bit about an Indie Girl giving a tour of her kitchen was more accurate than we realized 😂😭

my neighbors were Abrams and their kids were creeps too. idk maybe it’s in the name and predestination

9:50 i didn't know people were being weird about paul mescal like that. not chronically online enough i guess. and you're right btw

I didn’t know who this person was. Now I do.

As someone who is a big fan of Taylor Swift and a big fan of J.J. Abrams, Gracie Abrams has rarely crossed my mind. I sometimes forget she's Abrams' daughter until I look at her face and go "Oh yeah, she has the same goofy smile he does!" Had no idea she and Paul Mescal were even connected. Shows how much I miss out on. Lol

I hate the internet

There's no excuse for being 18 and make sexual jokes about a 14 years old. The rest of it is pointless chatter but the comment about Finn Wolfhard does ick me. I'm the same age as he is. So at the time she made that comment, it would be the same time that weird 18-years olds were trying to flirt with a 14-years old me in discord. No excuse for that type of behaviour. (Specially posted in public. By someone who was a public figure due to being the daughter of a famous director). Also, I listened to her album and with the exception of Risk and Closer to You, I thought it was good. But it kinda pisses me off that Taylor is a feat there. I think Taylor is just too famous to be a feat in some obscure artists album (also, tbh, Taylor was the only reason why I heard the album and I think that's the marketing, actually: make people listen by having Taylor Swift). Had no idea she was J. J. Abrams daughter.

The Lovebomb Desert Storm sounds like a banger album tho

Super 8 is my fav JJ Abrams movie for sure!!!!!

@iain9757

Күн бұрын

It’s sorta while seeing his career as Super 8 was very much Spielberg and now he just does lots of IP films in the style of other people.

People keep forgetting that Miley Cyrus is a nepo baby. I think an artist who makes good music is fine even if they are a nepo baby. That said, everyone's taste differs. So it's reasonable for someone to dislike her songs and attribute her success to nepotism. I like Gracie, I don't like this album because it was boring and bland. I personally think her previous EPs and Album have better songs than The Secret of Us. This is an album where I think she's genuinely TRYING to sound like Taylor Swift IMO. I don't think it works, definitely think she'll keep improving though.

People are just so up their a$$e$ these days.