Who ruined Silent Hill? I thought everyone agreed Konami did.

@pll9000

5 жыл бұрын

Look no further than the way Konami treated Hideo Kojima and his team during Metal Gear V's development. Going so far as to pull the plug on the final mission, the one that would tie the whole game together. Not to mention the culture of surveillance and humiliation at their studios. Working for them is no picnic.

@loliH9

5 жыл бұрын

I'm surprised there's people out there that don't blame Konami automatically whenever they are involved. Give them any franchise with potential and they will kill it as soon as they can.

@four-en-tee

5 жыл бұрын

#FuckKonami originated sometime after MGSV: The Phantom Pain was released once the fans found out how Konami treated Hideo Kojima and Kojima Productions. I believe the hashtag was started by YongYea.

@moviesandfriends

5 жыл бұрын

Same. I consider myself a Silent Hill fan, and I've never heard of Tomm Hullet before.

@Ether101_Prime

5 жыл бұрын

@@pll9000 There's a lot more going on between Vice President Kojima and Konami.

Konami killed Silent Hill, Metal Gear, Castlevania and every other video game they own. The people at the top don't care about video games.

@liftyy3667

3 жыл бұрын

they don't even know what videogames are, all they know are money

Tomm Hulett, Guy Cihi... The only monster here is KONAMI for how poor it handled its games. Now that REmake2 is out, i think it's sad that we'll never have such a treatment for this franchise

@Torthrodhel

5 жыл бұрын

@@CabezasDePescado you didn't watch the video then? Answers: 1] the voice acting dispute 2] nobody's excusing that or even really talking about that

@TakumiJoyconBoyz

5 жыл бұрын

To quote Richter: "Die, monster! You don't belong in this world!"

@noone1mportant.357

5 жыл бұрын

It took time to grow on me, but honestly homecoming really came to be one of my favorite silent hills.

@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527

5 жыл бұрын

Sad Trophy Wife I thought the plug got pulled on that a long time ago.

@MaximumMadnessStixon

Жыл бұрын

Whelp... now it is with the SH2 remake announced. Hopefully it'll be good.

Konami killed Silent Hill. Tom was the scapegoat. It's simple as that. #FucKonami

@swahiliranger1022

5 жыл бұрын

He still handled things very poorly.

@Miyakolover

5 жыл бұрын

That doesn't mean he did a good job on directing the games...the fact he had Pyramid Head in Homecoming shows he didn't understand what Silent Hill is.

@redzeroo6068

5 жыл бұрын

Miyakolover if you watched the 1st part of the video he wanted to take pyramid head out but higher ups told him not to...

@Miyakolover

5 жыл бұрын

@@redzeroo6068 I kinda made the comment before watching the video...my bad. Though it was still a bad decision by Konami to give the game to a western developer company that knew nothing about the lore either way.

@bikutaa80

5 жыл бұрын

@@redzeroo6068 Yes he did understan Sh2 game but that's it. He did not understand the world then he did not want to expand on the Cult and God.

What people don't understand when something goes wrong in a business/company, theres always someone that has to be the fall guy and shift the blame

@dontcare3460

2 жыл бұрын

Tom put himself in that position by the things he said. Sure he wasn't completely responsible for what happened but he could have not insulted the original creaters and fans.

@notgonnapay

2 жыл бұрын

@@dontcare3460 and he still won’t acknowledge this. Everybody knows Konami is the one to blame overall, but Tomm absolutely put himself in the crosshairs of fan-ire with the comments he made.

@martin.aguilar.a

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. Konami and other game devs has all business and companies. Like can The Silent Hill community has to understand.

Kept us waiting, huh?

@Kintsugi23

5 жыл бұрын

But well worth it!

@jwnj9716

5 жыл бұрын

LIQUID!

@ProjectASkate

5 жыл бұрын

Wrong game man... hahaha...

its sad how much you guys have to keep reiterating to the audience not to harass anyone mentioned in the video. angry mobs on the internet are far too common and people are so quick to anger and jump on people for almost anything.

@livinglie5598

5 жыл бұрын

won't stop them from harassing Konami social profiles and lower level employees

@illmadeknight3365

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah. It is sad that they have to tell people explicitly not to harass someone. It’s like some people are ready with a pitchfork when they get a chance to blame an issue on someone.

@user-vn7ce5ig1z

4 жыл бұрын

Master Dog> its sad how much you guys have to keep reiterating to the audience not to harass anyone mentioned in the video Judging by the quotes of people spewing hatred and threats towards Tomm, it's unfortunately justified. 🤦

@IsabellaaaRider

4 жыл бұрын

“we repeat DO NOT HARRAS GUY CIHI”.. like bruh if we wanted to we’d do it just shut the fuck up lol

@Novasky2007

4 жыл бұрын

**The Watchers harrass Every Human Being on the planet.* the war is real.

it blows my mind that Konami got rid of the original Team Silent in the first place. can you imagine the stories and games they would have thought of? we'll never have that and we'll never see it again.

@18ps3anos

Жыл бұрын

There's Siren for the PS2 by Keiichiro Toyama, the guy that worked on SH1 but then left.

You cut out a good portion of that quote from Guy Cihi’s open letter to Konami on his facebook page, this was obviously done on purpose to make it look like he contradicted himself. But if you read that entire paragraph it paints a different picture. The full quote is..”Let me be clear about something: my problem with Konami has never been about money. It’s always been about the thoughtless way that those involved in the production have been treated. The reuse of my material without asking me and without having a written agreement that provides for it is one example. Another example is how my contributions to the game, and my face, were purposefully erased from the ‘making of’ video. Why was that done? These are some of the issues I asked Konami to settle with me on before making any new agreements. To this day Konami has never offered any explanation.”

@afropowa1598

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, these idiots want us to blame Guy. They whined on how TP mistreated Tom but they are doing the same with Guy.....really hypocritical there.

@kevinak3944

5 жыл бұрын

The video is pretty good, but this part was a mistake, blaming Cihi without use the full quote make them doing exactly what Twin Perfect made it with Tomm Hulett, and not only Cihi but also Dave Schaufele (Eddie) and Monica Taylor Horgan (Mary/Maria) had the same problems with Konami, they don't want to give the credits to all original actors.

@KeepThoseEyesOpen

5 жыл бұрын

@@kevinak3944 Yea they come off as having double standards. It's not a mistake if it was done on purpose, they gave us a link to the quote, they obviously read it but whatever reason only gave us one sentence from that open letter.

@OneWingedAngel2x

5 жыл бұрын

In their defense, when you at first literally say "They owe me money and I can't comment further" then later come out and say "It was never about the money, it was about _____" no more needs to be said. You clearly contradicted yourself and no amount of fluff said to make yourself not look bad is going to save you from what you previously said. With that in mind though, he clearly could have just stated he changed his viewpoint, but by saying "my problem has never been about money" when you clearly were stating it was in the past, of course people are going to call you out on that because it makes you look like an asshole who is trying to save face.

@KeepThoseEyesOpen

5 жыл бұрын

@@OneWingedAngel2x I see you're point. It's possible though his view point was always the same and that he just didn't want to go into detail at the time other then "They owe me money" Will probably never know but my issue is that this video comes off as being bias when it should be neutral.

talking about silent hill 's 'bad voice acting' in 2019? The games voice acting will have AGED by now, but for the time the Voice acting is some of the best of the ps2 era, and still holds up well enough this day.

@SuperCancer6

5 жыл бұрын

not only that but theres strong evidence they were mostly directed that way at least in james sunderland's case because it was supposed to give off unease

@beyond-the-terror4078

5 жыл бұрын

@@SuperCancer6 also, Angela was supposed to sound older than she was, and supposed to sound nervous and jittery.

@lorkhan8565

4 жыл бұрын

PS2 had lots of games with great voice acting.... One could argue it's better than it is now because they didn't have gameplay or graphics to fall back on.

I think it's pretty well accepted at this point that Konami destroyed Silent Hill. Tom was just a tool used in the process.

@RosieSquall

7 ай бұрын

He’s a tool, alright

Just love the part where the dude at Twin Perfect just literally mumbled Tom Hullet's quote

@nottucks

Жыл бұрын

That annoyed me to no end not only on the basis of it being stupid, childish, and insufferable, but also because I got disoriented from trying to read it while hearing mumbles and obnoxious VA.

@MaxBraver555

Жыл бұрын

they nailed it

@Kintsugi23

Жыл бұрын

The Twin Perfect guys have this weird thing about reading quotes in an impression of the original speaker. (Which didn't get grating at all when they'd do a David Lynch imitation for the Twin Peaks videos. Or when they'd read quotes from Japanese developers, producers, etc in a really cringy "me speekee Engrish" fake accent.)

@yareyarejose5080

8 ай бұрын

when he says "tomm hullet!" i cant help but picture spax3 yelling about jason griffith

@martyfromnebraska1045

2 ай бұрын

​@@Kintsugi23 The Japanese quotes are hilarious. Seethe.

If there's one thing about your video I disagree with, it's when you string together a bunch of examples of apparently "bad" voice work and maybe only the first couple of them hit that mark out of context, but the rest of them I'm just sat there thinking "what the hell's supposed to be bad about that?"

@Kiss_My_Aspergers

4 жыл бұрын

Same!

@sukashi_0901

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly my thoughts: there's a campy tone to the voice acting (also reflected in the facial/body motion capture) that is just the way it should be.

I loved the original game's voice acting. It did add character and awkward David Lynch-like charm to the games. Anime voice acting was never going to be an improvement.

@RonnieIcon

5 жыл бұрын

So true. I believe Twin Peaks was actually an influence for SH1. What's with this notion that unnatural or unrealistic voice acting can't be good? It's doing its job perfectly in SH.

@attackofthecopyrightbots

5 жыл бұрын

anime? what?

@afropowa1598

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I can't believe this video hated on the acting!

@KaiDecadence

5 жыл бұрын

I haven't actually played a Silent Hill game but I've been obsessed with the lore for years and watched most of the cut-scenes and I agree, the voice acting was very nice for these games, it felt realistic and I'm glad hey went this route instead of the over the top anime voice acting you'd expect to get a game. Could you imagine Mary's farewell note if it was read by someone like Tara Strong? I mean I love her but the actress they went with made it sound beautiful.

@shinbakihanma2749

4 жыл бұрын

@@KaiDecadence Um, that's exactly what wound up happening. They redid the voices for the hd collection with anime voice actors. It was pretty lacklustre.

There's no reason to blame a single person for what happened to Silent Hill. That being said, what's broken can ALWAYS be fixed.

@SamsarasArt

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe but it's unlikely to happen.

15:01 The voice acting in the original Silent Hill games isn't bad. It only seems that way out of context. The acting is perfect for those specific situations. It's like if someone watched a David Lynch film and claimed the acting and characters are bad because they're not acting like ordinary people would act. The old cast is better than the new cast because the new actors didn't really fit the situation. That's not to say the new actors did a bad job but their performances paled in comparison to the original and not because we had just gotten used to the originals.

@ant2901

5 жыл бұрын

New voices didn't act normal either lol, james sounds like he smoked 20 packs of cigs before heading to silent hill and claudia has the same tone of voice for every word

@AsherReigns

5 жыл бұрын

And the japanese isn't hammed though. So it's just poor 2000's VA at work.

@jauhgnaw

5 жыл бұрын

I always felt like the voice acting in the old SH games actually added to the uncanny valley vibe the entire series had

@ant2901

5 жыл бұрын

@@jauhgnaw they were supposed to, idk about silent hill 1 but silent hill 2 definitley, it's supposed to have that dream like vibe

@MTtheHuman

5 жыл бұрын

That's true. The original VAs also did the motion capture and acted out the scenes as directed by Jeremy Blaustein and Japanese counterpart. So when they go back to the recording studio, they were able pick up how the scene was acted. Which was wonderful.

I think Guy Cihi was expressing his fear of adding more fuel to the fire and putting his career at risk when he said "I can only speak about uncontroversial things", to the point of getting angry towards Michael Arnold when he put Guy's name on a "special thanks" list, just after they had "defeated" Konami on a single, minor but controversial battle. Not the best way to react towards someone who admires you, but I think it's understandable due to his position.

@bizzzzzzle

4 жыл бұрын

Alkaid the. He should of just said that, instead he threatened dude...

15:00 “The voice acting wasn’t perfect” *proceeds to show a montage of Perfect voice acting*

Death threats after 5 years? I'm not surprised. Some SH hardcore fans are elitist spergs, I just can't word it any other way.

Damn it tells you a lot about gaming culture when you have to emphasize so much not to harass someone because they may have affected the development of a game...

@luisman369

5 жыл бұрын

It tells you something about fanatism, in every aspect of life. Ironic, because that's what Silent Hill is all about essentially. A cult.

@clatterbones321

5 жыл бұрын

@Heavy Metal Collector It still seems markedly worse in gamer, or at least geek, culture.

@cormano64

5 жыл бұрын

Fully agreed. Although I agree that fanaticism and overzealous fandom is not at all exclusive to the gaming world, the toxicity contained in it (especially when amplified and concentrated by the interney) is rabid.

@NugicusStreetPhotography

5 жыл бұрын

It's not gaming culture as much as it is internet uninhibition affect.

@cyann6445

5 жыл бұрын

@@clatterbones321 Nah, witch hunting/mob mentality in the gaming community feels like a cool summer breeze compared to the shitshow that is every idol group fandom that ever existed.

So you use some minor comments by Guy, but completely ignore the fact that actors from SH1 settled out of court for the same shit, got paid and that Konami did not use the original SH3 voices because they could not contact the original voice actor for Heather. Konami fucked up big, Guy did nothing wrong. Hell, you completely failed to mention that Tomm wanted to rewrite the entire script of the re-release. This was confirmed by the NEW actors.

Did you guys watch every twin perfect episode? Because Tom Hullet admitted at another time that every decision made goes through him first. In fact they showed that quote or ones like it 2 or 3 times. Yes Tom was in charge. He just acted like he wasn't when people got mad. Or lied about being the boss. But, if he did that then who ran everything? You can't say Konami. There was a person. That's like saying the dollar store treated you bad with customer service when it was a manager who was a person and has a name. She treated you bad. Not the Dollar Store.

It’s been 2 years. I’m glad you guys are back!

Y'know last I checked Twin Perfect never said Tom Hulett *wasn't* trying to please fans, just that he was doing a terrible job of it.

@pogo575

5 жыл бұрын

TheMightyNovac Good luck pleasing fans. We are literally the worst. this is why so many movie adaptations from games fly so far from the source material. Directors and Producers know they won’t please anybody. Only the marketing teams think it’s a good idea to advertise to fans that they are “holding true to the vision.”

@TheMightyNovac

5 жыл бұрын

@@pogo575 I don't know about you, but most people I know who are fans of Silent Hill just want something that doesn't actively go against the source material. The idea that it's "impossible" to please fans is ridiculous considering fans are the exact type of people to autistically list every single detail of a work they care about. And with the case of Silent Hill's western games, reviews and fans actively and consistently voiced their issues with the new games at every turn, and repeatedly those concerns and criticisms weren't answered. If there was an adaptation of Romeo and Juliet that cut out story critical scenes, completely changed characterization, and slapped on a happy ending it'd be laughed at by critics, and in my books there's no reason the same argument doesn't hold for Silent Hill.

@Neoguest

5 жыл бұрын

@@TheMightyNovac Sonic the Hedgehog 4 fan complain about not being a sprite game despite it going back to 2D.

@shinbakihanma2749

4 жыл бұрын

@@Neoguest What you said was moronic. Sonic 4 wasn't a "sprite" (is that what you meant to type?) based game. It was a poorly developed 3D rendered Sonic game presented in 2D. That's not what the fans asked for.

@Neoguest

4 жыл бұрын

@@shinbakihanma2749 no need to do rude.

Cold heart would have been an amazing story, but the “re-imagination” was like when they made the home alone 4 movie

Also nope, Guy may have been a handful to deal with but pretend it was you. And Konami said hey we want you sign this contract that says we can use your voice all over again for this new game. Except this time, you won't be paid. Granted Guy didn't owe anymore work. They wanted old recordings of his voice. But still, if it was you and you were a voice actor for video games who don't make a lot of money. Wouldn't you want at least a little compensation for that? I sure know I would. And I sure know a lot of others would agree whether they admit it or not. Konami didn't even have to ask? Then why did they? And then why when Guy said no it screwed everything up? Because Konami didn't own the voices. They just wanted to act like they did to avoid paying old, already recorded voice actors. Screw Konami I would want my money too.

Love this so much. Great job!

The only thing he did wrong was make games that weren't as good as their predecessors. Harassing him and his wife by sending death threats is absolutely terrible and why fandoms have such a bad reputation

i was very surprised by SGF's voice in the very beginning,,,

@ycylchgames

3 жыл бұрын

A lot of let's played seem to be in that group plus hbomberguy.

Deaththreats to entertainment creators is massive cringe. Save it for shitty politicians and CEOs, people that can actually ruin your life.

Brings a lot of context. It's been 3 years, thanks for the video!

I will never love any thing as much as people love any game that came out on the PlayStation 1.

I remember when I used to argue with Tomm on a message board like ten years ago. Never got into Silent Hill though, but I think this was before he got involved with that.

"Verbal agreements" is no proof of what anyone agreed to, and at the time the voice actors had no idea there was a possibility the game would be re-released multiple times on different platforms with their work in it. I'm still sympathetic to their side of that.

@18ps3anos

Жыл бұрын

Sure, but this video was not trying to defend either side. It was attempting to illustrate that Tomm in the end did care about resolution for the fans.

If he got harrassed, thats not okay. But he wasnt above criticism and 100% should not have been in charge of the IP. This is the guy who claimed the story and artistic decisions of SH2 hadnt aged well and want to rewrite it with his own script. Just, zero respect for the source material.

Oh please, I recall Tom Hulett saying that the team silent titles were only scary through quirky camera angles and essentially by accident due to limitations of game dev technology at the time, then goes on to say that Downpour will be superior as a result of intelligent game design. I don't believe Hulett is solely responsible for the decay of Silent Hill but to say he didn't deserve any pushback is just not true. I can't think of a better way to connect with Silent Hill fans than to bash team silent lol.

@orlandofurioso7329

Жыл бұрын

Well the fog in the first game was for the ps1 limitations

21:00 If you finish Guy's quote, he says "it's never been about the money, it's been about the thoughtless way Konami treats people" or something to that effect. It's no secret that Konami treats its employees terribly. This video is pretty dishonest, and the fact that you guys think the original voice actors were bad makes the video unreliable as a source of information.

@OverlordRollo

5 жыл бұрын

It's definitely not as unbiased as I initially thought. Glad I watched TRSHE to get both sides. Now idk what to think...

@SamsarasArt

4 жыл бұрын

That's unfortunate. I wanted to see an honest objective viewpoint on this. I already watched trshe multiple times and this is just as biased but from the other side.

I would suggest that Tom Hulett took great pains to make himself the face of Silent Hill...while death threats and general idiocy is uncalled for and completely inexcusable, he didn't exactly market himself as part of a bigger whole...

I compliment the effort in making this video..as well as part 2. You didn`t have to, but you did it anyway...so....Well done.

Actual gaming journalism. A unicorn.

@cormano64

5 жыл бұрын

Cherish it as one.

@kevinmcdonough6515

5 жыл бұрын

Check out Yong Yea's Channel if you haven't. He's legitimate and punctual.

@suraventri2544

5 жыл бұрын

@@kevinmcdonough6515 Yong is a good dude but He is a bit too in love with Kojima to be objective about him.

@igoronline

5 жыл бұрын

WATCH OUT BEHIND YOU BRO! THERE'S A WOMAN ACTING LIKE A LIVING, BREATHING HUMAN BEING WITH IT'S OWN INDEPENDENT CONSCIOUSNESS AND WILL!!

@shinbakihanma2749

4 жыл бұрын

This channel is not an example of proper gaming journalism. It's actually quite the POOR example😆🤣😂

I'm midway through your video, and I'm enjoying it thoroughly, but I think it's very unfair how you characterize the voice acting in the original games. I'm a big fan of the games and media and in general, and for what my opinion is worth (which is *very* little), I think the voice acting is excellent. A lot of the examples you use (and I realize you're trying to inject some levity) are taken completely out of context and the performances that the original actors gave are very much justified by that context. If this video is about being fair to the creators, I don't think that depiction was

um.. if tom wanted the old voices from the beggining.. WHY THE HELL HE WROTE A NEW SCRIPT?! in an interview with mary elizabeth she said that tom made a whole new script but KONAMI said no, and tom said that the old voices were weird and bad and with the new voices his halo friends will play SH, and why sh3 has only new voices?

This was so damn interesting. Good job you all.

I really have to thank you guys. I never hated Tomm Hulett or thought that he was a bad person, but I did put a lot of the blame for what happened to the Silent Hill series on him. Now, I feel that the fall of the series isn't really his fault, so thanks.

About time

Did they really try to convince us that SH had bad voice acting using Vincent and the Happy Birthday Caller as examples? Yikes.

@SageofSorrow

4 жыл бұрын

Vincet’s voice acting was bad though....also....yikes???

@ChadMaddikus

4 жыл бұрын

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@seriousbismuth2173

4 жыл бұрын

You mean Stanley? 😋

Jeremy is a smug company apologist and what they did to the voice actors was predatory

Did anyone ever tell you the tragedy of Tomm Hulett the hated? Of course not...its not a story the Twins would tell you.

Konami already Killed The Series by disbanded the Team Silent (true Developers Behind Silent hill series) the Room was final Real Silent Hill. #RIPSILENTHILL.

@symebosymebo7263

5 жыл бұрын

noshit

@deathnote342

3 жыл бұрын

Really wish they could come back and make SH 5 or one based on the cut story for SH 3

@toprak3479

3 жыл бұрын

​@@deathnote342 I really want that too. The implictions to a darker, more psychological story are there (Heather being pursued by a guy, being alone at night in normally heavily crowded public areas, very rape-y penis boss etc.) but it turns into the cult story again midway through. :/

I was NOT expecting Hbomberguy to be the first voice I heard when I hit play on this video.

Why did you guys disappear for YEARS? Then suddenly come back

Aren't you guys doing the exact same stuff that all of those guys did years ago but with Bloober now?

15:03 literally all my favorite scenes lol

Waney! A silent hill related series in 2019! I love this community.

THE CHANNEL LIVES!

You're back :')

I’m curious. Those interviews with Tom, are they all after the games have been released?

@Feasco

5 жыл бұрын

If you're curious you can see the full interview on the same channel where he mentions having already left Konami

I don't care for the vitriol thrown at Tomm Hulett, but I also don't care for the way he blatantly lied about the quality of the HD Collection - particularly in SH3 wherein during the developer walkthrough he was saying how it was somehow, ambiguously, "better" despite being able to clearly hear and see how false that was. I understand you want to do your job and not get fired, but there comes a time where there is a line. Lying about the product is one of mine. EDIT: I can provide citations for his distortion of the truth if you'd really, really like.

@user-vn7ce5ig1z

4 жыл бұрын

Versingetrix> I don't care for the way he blatantly lied about the quality of the HD Collection It was literally his job, he was contractually obligated to promote the game, he _couldn't_ be honest. Look at how some of the _Game of Thrones_ cast tried to defend the last season and got hatred for it (and how some tried to be honest and looked like they were afraid of getting in trouble or cringed when they said it was good).

@shinbakihanma2749

4 жыл бұрын

@@user-vn7ce5ig1z Who cares about what he was "contractually obligated" to do. He lied. That's a scum bag move. He's untrustworthy. There's no excuse to that. Quit making excuses for Tomm.

@EsjM49

4 жыл бұрын

@@shinbakihanma2749 Well clearly you haven't worked for a big, major company then, bud. It's also how politics work. 👌

@brianmcginnis9223

4 жыл бұрын

If you've never had to lie in order to make your boss look better than they are, you've clearly never had a job that paid well enough you needed it. Lol you've all recently lied to a family member, spouse, or your children to make something shitty sound better than it is. Guess we're all scumbags lol

@shinbakihanma2749

4 жыл бұрын

@@EsjM49 Clearly you've had to work at wherever a bottomfeeder like you could get. Good luck walking around life with shit on your nose😂🤣😆

I'm glad my homeboy aneternalenigma made it to this video.

How on earth did you get Supergreatfriend for this video? Even for just a snippet?

This is the first time I've actually seen Twin Perfect and uh, wow. Ethan and Lucas escaped Ctrl-Alt-Del to inanely rant about games in our world, huh?

@SapphireDragonDX

5 жыл бұрын

Plus, their acting needed a lot of work... Yeesh, that was a bit cringy.

@MagoDSnowman

5 жыл бұрын

"My name is Tim Buckley. I'm a twenty-four-year-old gamer. I've played every violent video game in existence, and I have never killed anyone. There are millions of gamers just like me, and we're getting sick of people like you blaming your problems on us. Ignorance causes violence, not video games. Man up and take responsibility. We outnumber you, and the people that think like you. Don't fuck with us"

@NGRevenant

5 жыл бұрын

B^U

@bloodmachine6049

5 жыл бұрын

They have some genuinelly fantastic videos, some of their critique is questionable. But their possitive videos on silent hill are delightful.

@WhoMightThis1Be

5 жыл бұрын

@Clazam They are nowhere near as bad and unfunny as NC, comign from someone who watched every video twin perfect and NC made at least twice (well the old NC stuff at least) it's actually pretty insulting. On top of that they have insane production value, i mean NC videos still look like shit in comparison and while i know why most people are turned of about their "this is the only right way" attitude you can't deny their knowledge about every game, they are probably the best resource for a lot of the SH games, specially the bad ones. Lastly, i know humor is very subjective, but i laughed regulary about some dry humor and some of the comedic writing is actually pretty clever, like having one of them talk only in quotes from PMs they got. Compared to that i laughed 1 time in all of the NC episodes up to like 2016

Damn. starting to feel really bad for Tomm... I knew Twin Perfect demonized him more than probably deserved but I didn't know it was to this extent.

@RicardoCon94

5 жыл бұрын

I actually dislike Twin Perfect. They act immature in their SH videos that I can't stand them. I get they're trying to be informative (and play "characters") but they drag on way too much it gets boring. Those HD Collection videos shouldn't have been that long to begin with. A lot of their videos should have been edited down a bit.

@panterxbeats

5 жыл бұрын

their videos are pretty cringe despite being a little entertaining

@sobrev1viente

5 жыл бұрын

Nah, fuck twin perfect and tomm equally, just joking, but seriously fuckonami

@Revealingstorm.

5 жыл бұрын

@Praise the Sun did you not watch the video?

@suraventri2544

5 жыл бұрын

@@CabezasDePescado They shouldn't have used patronising tones and called him out by his first name the way they did in their videos. That was childish. "Neither is amnesia TOOOO---mmm!" is pretty poor.

Not sure if this has been addressed in the comments or elsewhere but what happened to the link to "A Chat with Whitney and Michael"? I was really interested in hearing that interview.

I missed you guys!! Welcome back, I'm excited to pore through all your new content!

I have no idea who Tomm Hulett is, but I heard that SGF cameo and was like "Oplood Vidoos!"

'I'm not going to speak for them; I can only speak about uncontroversial things' said Guy, before tuning in to InfoWars for the evening.

I am kinda late to the party. But is the first voice in the video HBomberguy?

YES. WELCOME BACK! :D I love your podcasts!!!

_I hear you, hbomb._

I thought I was watching a Twin Perfect video from the introduction haha!

Well done, thanks for the background and organized storytelling. Can’t wait to watch the rest.

Will you ever release the chat with Whitney and Michael?

This video purposefully misses out and doesnt aknowledge that IN HIS OWN WORDS tomm hulett said HE WAS responsible for everything happening to SH. Not a single decision passes without his approval. HE SAID THAT.

@mikehasabike

3 жыл бұрын

He said that because he was THE SPOKESPERSON. He was just doing his job. All of those decisions were made by Konami. OF COURSE HE WAS THE PR WTF IS HE GONNA DO????

@deeta000

3 жыл бұрын

@@mikehasabike He still said it you moron

@mikehasabike

3 жыл бұрын

@@deeta000 He's doing his job you dipshit. If you want to throw insults then I'm fine with it.

@shinbakihanma2749

3 жыл бұрын

@UC2Z6LjPygKV17B8Z8CI7Kjg You are a moron for trying to defend Tomm for his obvious lies, though🤣

Grate video! Thanks for doing all the legwork to sort this out. BTW, at about 17:30 when you talk about the interview with Micheal G. your on screen graphic credits "Michael Gough" with the quote, not "Micheal Guinn." Wanted to point that out in case it was a mistake.

@TheGrateDebate

5 жыл бұрын

It definitely is a goof up, whoops! :( Good eye!

OMFG you're back!

Ahh this channel had so much potential along with silent hills....

It's really unnecessary to talk that bad about Guy Cihi. After all, he was the one being the bigger man and instead of insisting ont he money he felt was rightfully his he gave up and contacted the rest of the cast he's still friends with to do the same. He made the use of those voices valid, instead of a flimsy grey zone where nobody can proove anything. Even if he wasn't in the right by law you can't deny it's really fishy for a big company like konami to make verbal contracts, especially from the view of an American, because even if they told him he would get money from future use of his voice he can't proove it now, so imagine seeing your voice in a game without beign asked, remembering they promised not to do that without giving you money and suddenly you are the bad guy because they don't remember. i mean the fact that they would have published the game withotu the old voices makes it obvious they didn't feel safe in their law situation, or do you guys think a big company liek Konami is afraid of some random jobber that wants money he doesn't have the right to? As for the money, this might be where you guys were the most insulting with this "it is about the money but it's not about the money" joke. If i owe you 10 bucks, then act like i don't need to pay anything you'd have the absolute right to be pissed, not only because i took money from you, but because i broke a verbal agreement making an ass of myself. Yes money was involved, but that doesn't mean Guy Cihi is a gready asshole that only wanted the money, i mean look at his facebook he looks filthy rich anyways. Again, even if you obviosuly didn't wanted to focus on that fact, Guy Cihi gave up every right he had on his performance for free so Konami could put the voices in after all and to show it wasn't about the money in the first place, still you imply he's greedy, badmouthign him to fit yur narrative. I get that you guys want to paint a view where Tomm Hullett looks better in comparison to further your argument, but this doesn't have much to do with him. Yes he pushed for the old voices obviously, since everyone and their grandmother knew fans would hate it otherwise, he just did his job decently there, but he got nothing to do with the actual solution of the conflict. So far your Arguments are not convincing, you make points to say his bad work happaned because he didn't have full control, but when he got control it's still very obvious he isn't on a level of understanding the games where he could something similar, instead he basically writes SH2 fanfiction. Doing a decent job sometimes and not being allowed to do a good job doesn't mean all the criticism is voided, your arguments mostly work against imagenary misinformed strawmen TwinPerfect fans that want to claim Tomm as to only reason for everything bad ever, but i, as someone who doesn't even dislike that guy but just think he isn't nearly as talented enough to make something worthy of the franchise name am not really convinced he did anything better then i thought before.

@EsjM49

4 жыл бұрын

It reeeeeally shows that you listened and actually paid attention to what was said in the video. Good job. 👍 ... That was sarcasm, in case you didn't realize it.

@bizzzzzzle

4 жыл бұрын

Levii Bottom line, it was him who broke his contract, verbal or written, there was an agreement, that years later he broke and took advantage of that fact it wasn’t written. Idk how you can talk about it in a “good” way.

@martyfromnebraska1045

2 ай бұрын

​@@EsjM49 Jeez all of you are like this. Why?

So the conclusion this video draws about the voice acting dispute is that Guy, despite not having signed a contract, shouldn't expect anything because 'that's just not the way its done over there'?

at 17:32 it's "Michael Gough" but in quote it's his real surname "Guinn". Gough it's what everyone used to think he was, but it's actually guy who voiced Deckard Cain. So it's error, apparently in video/editing.

The tragedy is that this channel stop uploading, great videos about SH.

is that hbomberguy i hear

Twin Perfect broke up pretty hard. But yeah, TP is undeniably the primary vehicle for the vitriol towards Tomm (love him or hate him). Having known one of the 3 member of TP personally (before the massive falling out in the group) and rewatching the Real Silent Hill Experience, the whole thing was incredibly douchy in delivery, and incredibly disingenuous and bad faith. Jesus wow. And TP never gave the franchise another fair chance, even with PT, which arguably was the first time in a long time that Silent Hill felt just right in a while. But yeah, TRSHE did very little to have a good faith conversation about the franchise, but was more a few fanboys throwing a goddamn fit.

@mikutai6395

5 жыл бұрын

Why did they break up?

@FoolyCoolyBlackLagoony

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, its fair to criticise creative choices that were definitely his, but they railed on Tomm way too hard. TP are just so smug tbh, it felt like they were really grasping at straws to shit on PT, like there was no passion behind it.

@tylertheguy3160

5 жыл бұрын

@@mikutai6395 I don't know the full story, but I think (emphasis on THINK) that Fungo said something about the others apparantly taking credit for a lot of the work he did.

@Kintsugi23

5 жыл бұрын

@@mikutai6395 Disputes over pay, disputes over who owned what work and material, Rosseter tried to steal Fungo's girlfriend and tried pulling shady shit to do so (up to and including trying to gaslight her into believing Fungo was abusive)

@luisman369

5 жыл бұрын

@@Kintsugi23 Douches being douches to one another, huh?. Not really a surprise, but it's nice to know. Thank you.

Holy shit a Tomm Hulett analysis in 2019 [pulls out popcorn]

Is the red note "JustARobot" 's voice?

How someone that thinks the original voice acting from games that are almost 20 years old is bad can call themselfs fans of the series?

@nathanwindow8732

4 жыл бұрын

It is bad, it is objectively bad, if you were to make someone who has never heard of silent hill before listen to those voice lines, they would tell you that it is bad voice acting. What you seem to have forgotten is that the reason you like the voice acting is because it's bad, which adds to the weird other-worldly feel of the games, if the games had good voice acting then they would not feel as eerie, get off your high horse, being able to criticize something you enjoy is what makes you a fan, blindly thinking everything is perfect is what makes you a fanboy

@I_Am_Wasabi_Man

4 жыл бұрын

apparently to be a fan is to not bad-mouth anything about the game, even if it's objectively bad.

@TheOrangex88

4 жыл бұрын

It’s intentionally supposed to be bad...but it is still bad...but it shouldn’t be changed either as it fits aesthetically with the game.

That's just straight misleading, how you showed Cihi's quotes. If you have a contract with someone for a dollar, and they don't give you the dollar, and you raise this point...are you really caring about the dollar, or are you caring about the principle? Cihi clearly said, in that same quote you conveniently cut off, that he was concerned about the principle of it, not the actual money. Which is pretty obvious considering he did sign over his rights. And if he didn't have any actual claim, why would Konami need to wait for him to sign over rights? And why would Konami need to redo all of the voices instead of just his? You blame TP for being disingenuous but I'm seeing the same thing here. Plus, Tomm was definitely off on the series lore. That's really clear. That doesn't justify the hate he got, but for someone who claimed to be such a fan he really was off on quite a lot.

@Maxim0M1

4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely agree. As much as people hate Twin Perfect, they were on the right on this one. They're not even mentioning the most offensive things Tomm did.

@Shad0wmoses

4 жыл бұрын

@@Maxim0M1 "they're not even mentioning the most offensive things Tomm did." what exactly would that be? you guys still hating on this poor man after all is said and done?

@Maxim0M1

3 жыл бұрын

@@Shad0wmoses It's been a while, but where do I start? This dude has been consistently an arrogant douche towards the original works, fans and even voice actors. He even participated in the unethical (and known to be proven wrong in the future) cover up of Konami's fuck up of royalties owed to voice actors, and went as far as to put his own personal grudges towards certain groups of people (TwinPerfect guys) in a Silent Hill game (Book of Memories) just to appease his childish sense of ego, with complete disregard of artistry (and speaking of artistry, did you know he wanted to rewrite the script of SH2 for the remaster?) or ethics. "Poor guy" my ass. And I don't see how "after all is said is done" is justification for anything. The fact that it's been a long time doesn't magically erase what someone did. If you don't like people talking about past events, don't read conversations about them in the first place.

@martyfromnebraska1045

2 ай бұрын

​@@Shad0wmoses Are you his wife?

Omg I love the old voices, the way they sound weird is the creepy part!

whoa. Tgd is back!

I wonder how much money Konami has actually LOST on the HD Collection in the end. a true disaster project

The old voices didn't suck... the reasons cited in this video are inaccurate... and the new voices are terrible.

why no voice of dog subscription button at the end? That was him talking at the beginning too right?

I understand Tomm got put into a bad situation,b ut look at the MGS remasters. Those were apparently done well, not a MGS guy so I can't say for sure. But Tom decided to rewrite the script to SH2 because he thinks he knows how that game should go. He is also the guy who boasted that he's the walking talking SH bible. Based on the games we got he proved he didn't understand the series, nor did anyone else post SH3.

Personally I think fans were more to blame of taking TRSHE as a reason to attack Tomm and blame him for everything (remember, they themselves said they've never said Tomm was entirely to blame and even actively discouraged the abuse fans sent to Tomm) and taking the personalities in the video at face value. To me the series felt like they were playing characters so on purpose they're acting snobbish, know it all, "holier then thou", superior and assumed that was all genuine, therefore thinking actively attacking Tomm was okay. Granted I think Twin Perfect using Tomm as the butt of jokes painted the wrong picture of him and should have been handled better. Also I have to say, the examples used for "bad voice acting" in Silent Hill 2-3 while having genuinely bad deliveries, also had some examples that were exactly in line with that character's personality and intended speech pattern (Like the Vincent, the "Happy Birthday" caller and Angela lines). Lastly on the voice acting thing, when guy said "this isn't about money" didn't literally mean "I didn't ask for money" and comes off that way when you don't take the full quote into account. He was saying it was a matter of principal and Konami had to give some dues for reusing the voice/performance capture. Konami is entirely to blame for not having actual written contracts that would have given them the legal rights to use the voices (otherwise they'd have had no reason to contact them in the first place) and in fact, the original voice actress for Lisa in SH1 won a settlement because they had reused her voice in SH3, so Konami had admitted they were in the wrong for having reused performances in the past. If anyone was blaming Tomm for the legal issues with the voices that's just dumb, though a lot of quotes from Tomm from that time were conflicting or wrong about the order of events such as "old voices was always planned along side new 5.1 surround performances" but I'm not going to speculate my he changed the order of events or insisted Konami had full rights despite the fact the original voice actors had to sign their rights away retroactively.But konami is entirely to blame on that front, the fact they were willing to spend the money to hire a voice director, cast actors and rent a studio and (poorly) master and mix them for the HD collection which is more expense and effort if they had just brought out the rights to the original's actor's performances shows how stubborn they were to admit fault. Now I don't know if this is addressed in part 2, but there is that quote from the new voice director and new voice of Mary/Maria in SH2HD, Mary Elizabeth Mcglynn, that "Tomm had wrote this new script" that was going to gel better and fix everything but was shot down because of the production work it would have taken to reanimate the characters and scenes to fit new scripts. Maybe this was a lie or mistake on her part but it does cast doubt on some of Tomm's words regarding the HD collection, along with all the issues the new voices had not adapting the character's personalities, speech patterns or meanings behind them.

@TheGrateDebate

5 жыл бұрын

"Konami is to blame for not having written contracts" is more than addressed in the videos, as well as the extended interview with Jeremy Blaustein. It was a precedent caused by a cultural difference: Japanese society did not treat contracts the same way that America does. We didn't bring up Thessaly Lerner's (Lisa's) lawsuit because it is an unrelated affair that only seems related because TwinPerfect (and others) acted like it was. She actually WAS legally right, because her voice from Silent Hill 1 was reused in Silent Hill 3. Not a remake or a remaster, a completely new and different game for which she was not compensated. This is why the PC versions of Silent Hill 3 don't have her audio, nor Michael Guinn's line "It's being invaded by the otherworld..." Konami was actually in the wrong there, hence why Lerner got a settlement. And I feel like people don't understand the gravity of the VO situation. Guy was asking for residuals, which are not a thing in gaming. Folks bring up "Sheesh, why not just write these actors a check and get it over with? That's gotta be the cheaper route than hiring all these new VOs" But, okay, how many checks? For how much? For how many years? For how many actors? For how many games? The Greatest Hits? Xbox versions vs PS2 versions? There are residuals and royalties for movies/tv but not for games, and there is no legal precedent for it. Konami would have to like, create a whole new genre of rules for this scenario because the scenario of being paid residuals for every version of a game is nonexistent. It does not exist. Should it? Probably, actually, yes. But from the perspective of Konami, this thing had a massive potential snowball effect. Would OTHER voice actors from OTHER Konami games come out of the woodwork wanting money for different releases of the same game? How many MILLIONS of dollars would that be if that happened? And how would this effect the entire industry? tl;dr: Yes, it WAS cheaper to hire new voice talent than to open this legal can of worms! And in regards to the last point about McGlynn's comments about "a whole new script", we've been told she misspoke. It was a slightly altered script with new line timings that was intended to match the lip-flap of the characters better, but it got mostly scrapped, except for the two line changes in SH3.

@TheDapperCat

5 жыл бұрын

Okay thanks for clarifying the McGlynn comments, to be fair I always had some doubts about a lot of what she said regarding SHHDC because she had put conflicting information out there regarding her knowledge of the series, the legal disputes and to me, did a poor job directing the new voices. Regarding the voice acting contracts, when I say "blame" I probably should say "responsibility" because even if it was a mistake on their part because of the culture at the time, it's still on their heads. It didn't help at the time many of the new voice actors for the HD Collection at one time had claimed "no Konami owns the voices out right they have contracts" instead of Konami just addressing the issue head on. I don't agree a remake/remaster/port is different from a new game regarding reuse of assets in legal terms. Even with the norms about residuals or royalties and Work-For-Hire contracts, none of that means much when Konami didn't have written legal agreements for that. It has less to do with the medium and more to do with copyright law which doesn't change because of the medium. Should Guy Cihi and the other actors have spoken up sooner regarding the reuse of their performances? Sure but Hindsight is 20-20 and I'm not going to assume to know why they didn't. But I still attest Konami had no intention of righting their wrongs regarding this issue and Tomm's quote about how it went down shows Konami didn't seem to want to negotiate or address the issue. Remember even if the voice actors hadn't signed their rights away, Konami would still would have reused unauthorised performances in the past ports and been liable for that and could have lead to a lawsuit regarding those and still have cost them money in legal battles. I should clarify I'm not saying Konami should have known to have had contracts this entire time, more so just admit to the mistake and have worked to fix it. Thanks for replying though, I appreciate you following up on my comment.

@TheGrateDebate

5 жыл бұрын

"I don't agree a remake/remaster/port is different from a new game regarding reuse of assets in legal terms" I don't agree either, I think there ought to be some sort of compensation similar to movie actors, but that's the situation :( Videogame laws are different, and it's all made more difficult by the fact that this is spanning across the globe, and Japan/America have different laws as well. Reusing Lisa's lines in SH3 is similar to being paid once for an art commission for a shirt (for example), then seeing the design on a poster for a movie. That wasn't what the commission was for, you can't just use that, you need a specific contract that says "We own this design and can use it in perpetuity, forever." Lisa's VO, like Guy's, was a one-time buyout for the game it was deigned originally for, and any ports of the game (Greatest Hits, PC versions, and this extended to the HD Collection) because that was standard practice. If Guy's VO showed up in the Silent Hill movie, you bet he'd be justified to raise hell over it. "Konami would still would have reused unauthorised performances in the past ports" Legally speaking, they were not unauthorized. If so, every single remaster and remake of every game that used the same VO/mo-cap as the originals would be sued into oblivion. But basically, it was all a huge unfortunate clusterfuck caused by multiple things, and yeah, Konami didn't know how to handle it cuz they never expected this to happen. And how can they be honest and admit to mistakes when the situation is so hard-to-explain AND they're a proud company that doesn't have a tendency to admit to mistakes anyway? haha

@TheDapperCat

5 жыл бұрын

Actually no because typically, as you've said, Companies have buy out contracts or "work for hire" contracts stating the ownership of the work after completion, but for whatever reason, Konami and some other Japanese companies at the time were not in the habit of getting contracts (I believe something like is what lead to the remaster of Onimusha Warlords having a new dub and new cast members in Japanese) and if there isn't a written contract or proof of said contract, the rights always fall to the original creator. The ports of SH2/3 reused of the actor's performances would only be authorised if there was an original contract either stating Konami owned full rights to the performances in perpetuity, within context of "Silent Hill Games" or even "Versions of Silent Hill 2" to cover ports. But without legal written agreements none of that applies. There's actually probably a large amount of ports of games from the 90s and early 00s that reused actor's performances without contracts allowing them to do so we don't know about that actors never spoke up about maybe for fear of losing a lawsuit trying to fight a massive company or hurt the releases of the games they worked on. Though many factors probably contributed to this, Guy Cihi making noise about the lack of contracts and issues of residuals/royalties I believe helped lead to the 2016-2017 SAG-AFTRA strike where one of the demands was royalties for performances they unfortunately were unable to get in the end (interestingly, both Troy Baker and Mary Elizabeth Mcglynn were a part of despite putting the blame on and attacking Guy for his demands purely on the basis "residuals don't exist" while ignoring the rights issues). I got pretty in-depth into learning about this subject matter a few years ago when a spat between the devs of Starr Mazer and a composer went public when the composer was claiming they had reused her work without permission because it was used in another release called "Starr Mazer DSP" but in that case, legal written contracts did exist and showed she worked under a "work for hire" contract allowing the dev (Imagos) to use the music in any release as they saw fit. This became a whole thing because she started DMCAing youtube videos and LPs with the OST in to try and blackmail the dev into giving in to her demands and a copyright lawyer had to intervene and get a court order stopping her it was a whole mess, but point is I learnt a lot about copyright laws and contracts, especially in videogames from a Lawyer/KZreadr Leonard French and to my best understanding based on my research into his videos on the topic, without a legal written agreement copyright always defaults to the original author/artist/performer.

What? He said he was in charge though he had a statement where he said that as a producer meant he was in charge and nothing went into the game without his final approval. He was even on a podcast where he said that he went into the offices mid production oh homecoming and single handedly changed the course of production. Don’t fall for that back peddle shit

@shinbakihanma2749

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Thank you😃

@orlandofurioso7329

Жыл бұрын

That's the director's job not the producer you ignorant, the producer obeys the director's vision by making it possible but has almost no say in the direction of the project.

I didn't even know blaming this guy was a thing, I always blamed Konami... Huh.

SH needs to come back! Pls anybody, pick it back up!

Hi, everyone!

Guy is a chill dude, we all have our bad days. I will always be grateful for his acting work and the interviews he did.

@OverlordRollo

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah I've finally got around to playing the original and I gotta say, hes definitely my preferred James.

@Turtleproof

5 жыл бұрын

@@OverlordRollo Good lord, yeah. Angela is a teenager but her acting is just bad, James is supposed to be a bit awkward and bashful, Guy nailed it.

@OverlordRollo

5 жыл бұрын

@@Turtleproof Yeah exactly! The originals just fit so perfectly for the characters they're playing. Hell when I play the originals, I don't even have a "this character is being voice acted" moment.

@Turtleproof

5 жыл бұрын

@@OverlordRollo Also, big shout out to Jacquelyn Breckenridge, who voiced Laura when she was only 8 years old. It's hard to find good child actors and who else could pull off calling James a fart face then break our hearts in the hotel scene.

@OverlordRollo

5 жыл бұрын

@@Turtleproof Yeah she did an impeccable job as Laura and I'm glad they had the gall to actually have a child portrayed by a child back then. Idk why they did what they did to her in the HD Collection because it wasn't just hilariously bad but it was obvious it wasn't a child. So much for realism.

The problem with the HD Collection wasn't the voices, it did slightly suck though about that, but instead the crappy older version they used for it since, apparently, Konami couldn't find the released version on their end.

"Homecoming Trilogy guy?"