Remember the victims. Steven mark hicks, 18 Steven Walter Tuomi, 25 James Edward Doxtator, 14 Richard Guerrero, 22 Anthony Lee sears, 24 Raymond Lamont smith (Ricky Beeks) , 32 Edward Warren smith, 27 Ernest Marquez miller, 22 David Courtney Thomas, 22 Curtis Durrell Straughter , 17 Errol Lindsey, 19 Tony Anthony Hughes, 31 Konerak Sinthasomphone, 14 Matt Cleveland turner, 20 Jeremiah Benjamin Weinberger, 23 Oliver Joseph lacy Joseph Arthur Bradehoft, 25 And the one who survived Tracy Edwards

@UncleMyers37

3 ай бұрын

R.I.P.

@G.Valent

3 ай бұрын

May they rest in peace 🕊️

@mercurbee

3 ай бұрын

oliver joseph lacy, 24

@Peepeethehamster

3 ай бұрын

Thank you, may their souls all find peace and rest

@Asteriathedumbo

3 ай бұрын

Rest in peace to the victims

I will never understand people romanticizing a serial killer

@BasedDepartment.

2 ай бұрын

Its all in the dopemene... Cinematography exploits the dopemene of certain folks who are attracted too violence, essentially it's a cash grab

@Dob_Ogurt

26 күн бұрын

Some woman liked him for some reason. But I just find these people terrifying and anything terrifying is interesting to me.

@mygrammarsucks

25 күн бұрын

Cuz of his looks, even though his average if he was ugly af they would be grossed out, you think they would write about a boss mafia killer in wattpad if they aren't hot? Looks always matter smh

@homer9760

25 күн бұрын

@@Dob_Ogurtthey’re as bad as the killer

@Wet.Smell12

24 күн бұрын

That’s nasty💀

As a criminology student who works with victims of crime, I can't help but think of the victims. Thinking about the victim's families having everyone and your mother watching and rewatching the reenactment of your loved one's death is traumatizing.

@fionna_cool_girl

7 ай бұрын

Yeah, I never really like retellings of real life events or something inspired by real life events having any sort of positive light or trying to understand the perpetrator or saying "if x didn't happen, they wouldn't have done this" or things like that. I remember people were all over this show saying how this murderer is so cute or "aww he's proof there's evil in our society" is not how criminals should EVER be looked at. Having to hear about how a TV show about someone that hurt you and the ones you know so dearly be seen in even the slightest of light would be traumatizing for anyone and would probably make them relive the trauma over and over again. I was a victim of child grooming and being told by people "it wasn't a big deal" or "he didn't do anything wrong" and other things to try to sympathize with the criminals is not okay.

@alexphoenix9208

6 ай бұрын

I find it fascinatingly morbid to see these kinds of things. I don't disregard the victims, but it is critical to understand how these people come to be. That said, I would agree it is sad that it is merely a profit oriented venture. Netflix doesn't care about the victims. It cares about viewers and profits. In this manner Dahmer was better than Netflix. Dahmer didn't do what he did for money, or views. Dahmer was seeking connection. Not in a good way, but that was still what he sought. How can society become more inclusive to help eliminate the occurrence of people like Dahmer, Gacy, Bundy... etc...

@Daughter_ofStars

5 ай бұрын

In all truth, if I ever had to experience what these families are going through, I wouldn't be able to handle it. I would just call it quits.

@stuffilike12

5 ай бұрын

As criminal psychologist, let me give you some piece of advice; you can´t think like that. The perpetrator is not a "monster" and the victims/survivors are not "omg, poor them". Everybody is just people and a subject of study. Period.

@ethernetgirl2001

5 ай бұрын

@@stuffilike12 i mean i understand that when doing that as a job you have to be objective and cant let your emotions corrupt your work but this kind of makes you sound devoid of empathy for the victims

It's just like Don't Fuck With Cats, where at the end it was revealed that the killer's main goal was to be infamous and well known and at the end of the show, they basically say "by watching this, you're realizing his goal." Um, actually, by making a fucking documentary on it, you're realizing his goal.

@bigoltits1880

4 күн бұрын

Dahmer's goal was definitely NOT to become infamous. Sorry but you don't know what you're talking about. I've read his father's autobiography, he was the opposite of an attention-seeker.

@Odiesscool

4 күн бұрын

RIGHT??

My problem with Dahmer is that everybody remembers his name, but nobody remembers the victims

@agvga5510

Жыл бұрын

That goes for any event in history. Everyone remembers Adolf and Pol Pot. No one remembers the faces in those mass graves.

@martinledermann1862

Жыл бұрын

@@agvga5510 There are some exceptions - like the assassination of Abe Lincoln. ;)

@darkvioletskull

Жыл бұрын

Defeated the entire purpose of this disgusting show

@martinledermann1862

Жыл бұрын

@@darkvioletskull The sad reality of our hypocritical world is that the only actual purpose of entertainment shows is to make as much money for the producers as possible. The "possibility criterion" varies depending on a lot of factors, including social acceptance. Any additional artistic or perhaps even socio-cultural value of a given TV or Hollywood production is mostly just a byproduct.

@CoOlKyUbI96

Жыл бұрын

Welcome to world history. Where people are weirdly obsessed with giving horrible excuses of human beings the very attention they seek out

Their first mistake was making a Dahmer show at all. It's so messed up. Imagine if someone you love is killed, and years later they make a show about their murderer.

@itcouldbelupus2842

Жыл бұрын

Exactly

@kakashihatake6176

Жыл бұрын

Should this be the same thing for like, zodiac, memories of a murder, mindhunter, etc since they all envolve real killers in a way or another?

@Blind_Hawk

Жыл бұрын

I don't see a real issue there. Because movies like 22nd July make a great job to be authentic and deliver an immersive experience and tell the story of these tragic events. Why is it messed up to make shows depicting horrifying events for us to make them understand?

@Blind_Hawk

Жыл бұрын

@@Dreamingroses93 "We don't need to understand this kind of stuff, he was just wicked". Man this sentence makes every criminal psychologist and psycholgist in general wicked. That's so American to say. Grow up, reality is cruel and we need to understand it. Your whiny "oh no bad thingmms no bad thimbs" attitude sickens me. Everything isn't rainbow and unicorns.

@ophanimangel3143

Жыл бұрын

@@Blind_Hawk Why is this American thing to say?? Other non Americans would’ve shared same opinion. Utterly dumb unnecessary blight of a remark. I’m not American and this show is utterly unnecessary. I’ve studied Dahmer during my legal studies class in high school. This show was so unneeded and even less educational and less sympathetic towards actual victims whose concerns around this show were totally disregarded for the sake of entertainment.

That's why fictional killer stories will always be superior. Like with Hannibal, you can enjoy his cooking scenes, you can like his charisma. And you don't need to feel bad becuase it's all made up.

@ariannebrodeur

22 күн бұрын

Fictional tragedy is powerful because it reflects our reality in a way that is approachable. It hurts and it resonates with our own lives and experiences and what we see out in the world around us, but it's art and it has layers to it that we can dissect because it's not a real person were trying to understand, it's a fictional character written as a metaphor, with intent and purpose, by a writer who has a plan and a message woven into the characters very existence. That can't be said for real people. It's just so utterly immoral to pretend a real person is the same as a fictional character. Fictional characters are reflections of US, we should be worried about respecting them as mirrors of real humans, not worried about people flagrantly dismissing real people as if they and their actions were fun little adventures for their entertainment. It's sickening.

@julia-eu8xo

13 күн бұрын

Exactly. And while Buffalo Bill is inspired by a real life killer (suspected as, but not proven in court, serial killer Ed Gein) people remember Hannibal more than they do Buffalo Bill, minus the quote of course.

@unodos9569

2 күн бұрын

Why is it ok to like any type of murder like what?

@karolclark791

2 күн бұрын

@@unodos9569 becuase it's fiction and doesn't harm anyone?

My coworker at work was fangirling over Even Peters as Dahmer, and ASKED what i thought of the show. I said it was insensitive, unnecessary, and over sexualized his actions. My co worker looked so offended and i got a lot of hate for saying the show was overall terrible because the victims' families got no warning, no compensation, nothing. They just wake up one day and see their child's murderer plastered on Netflix, only to learn that they themselves are now apart of some gross, twisted "fan fiction" trying to humanize a monster, who admitted himself he had no reason to kill he just felt evil. His humanity was gone a long time ago. People need to stop sympathizing/sensualizing actual serial killers and s/a abusers.

The fact that Ryan Murphy released a statement explaining that they tried to reach out to 20+ family members of the victims of Dahmer and none responded…so then he and everyone else on production just decided to make the show anyway, tells you everything you need to know about that man’s character.

@coldkun_

Жыл бұрын

oh, no. they responded. they tried very hard to convince them not to make it but they did anyway

@thedarkerknight2188

Жыл бұрын

so what? This belongs to history now, not the victim's families.

@WretchedRaymond45

Жыл бұрын

@@thedarkerknight2188 wow okay fuck you for disrespecting the victims families

@user-rr1lo8lu1v

Жыл бұрын

@@thedarkerknight2188 ????

@allisonwithtwoLs

Жыл бұрын

@@thedarkerknight2188 this is so recent in history many of the victims families are still alive and have to live with this trauma for the rest of their life. Their loved ones were denied justice due to systemic racism, homophobia, and poverty. These victims were people with dreams and families. Their families shouldn’t have to be reminded of their death on repeat and watch the person that murdered their loved one be sensationalized. Many people don’t know the names of Dahmers victims yet we all know Dahmer. He doesn’t need to be sensationalized we all know the story.

The thing that annoys me the most is the fact that this kind of thing is EXACTLY what a lot of serial killers want. They want to be infamous. They want their names to be known and feared. And this show basically said to all those sick people who wish to have that; “yep, this exactly what you want so go right ahead!”. They don’t fear their horrible acts being frowned upon, but they desire to be known at large for it.

@lorenzomizushal3980

Жыл бұрын

No wonder they're called serial killers, killing three or more victims guarantees at least 3 episodes, that's enough for a mini series, or if you stretch each victim out to two or three episodes you have a full Netflix season. Most of these TV serials about serial killers often pick serial killers with more than 10 body count at least to guarantee a full season too.

@rickwrites2612

Жыл бұрын

Eh, that doesn't apply to Dahmer he wasn't the narcissistic type, just a crazy mofo

@Boxscot49

Жыл бұрын

Whether they make movies or series about serial killers isnt gonna be a deciding factor to if someone, who wants to murder people for their own joy, does or doesnt actually do those things.

@TraumfresserBMofficial

Жыл бұрын

He’s dead. He’s not getting anything

@priya8855

Жыл бұрын

@@TraumfresserBMofficial but his victims loved ones aren't. Ryan Murphy reached out to them but they declined any involvement and help to make this series

They approached this show in a really weird way. Sure they put a light on how evil he was but kind of sexualized it in a really odd way.

@chunkycornbread4773

5 ай бұрын

Probably because for most serial killers the act of killing is almost a euphoria that most normal people would relate to sex. The show isn't supposed to make you comfortable.

@lxmesoda

4 ай бұрын

​@@chunkycornbread4773and the show isnt supposed to exist because the victims' families didnt allow them to but they did anyways

@spoons250

Ай бұрын

@@lxmesoda The victims families dont own the right to public events. Their "allowance" means less then fuck all. All they can do is not watch it. Thats as far as their rights reach. Most of them weren't talking to their murdered family member at the time for being gay, anyways. They abandoned them. Almost all of his victims were categorized as "homeless" or "couch surfing", thats why he targeted them, he knew it would be a safer kill.... But suddeny here comes the poor FaMilY with the big big boohoos. The 14 year old literally had been homeless for a soilid year and was grossly underweight, his family wouldnt let him step foot in the house.

@raisinsssssssss

Ай бұрын

​@@spoons250this is such an awful take its almost disgusting

@Majin_Xavierras

Ай бұрын

@@spoons250they sure owned the rights to the fucking lives of people shown dawg

The absolute worst is how they’re now teasing a John Wayne Gacy show. A CINEMATIC UNIVERSE ON CRAZED KILLERS

@ajaxmaxbitch

3 ай бұрын

The end game of the movies will be Dahmer, Tedd Bundy, and Gacy getting a cake for satan

@angelnieto316

Ай бұрын

Cry somewhere else. It’s life and humans are interested in human tragedy’s. We love watching shows about killing or documentaries about killer, old lady’s like watching those cheesy murder love documentaries. It’s entertainment at the end of the day!! They gave us what we want even if we don’t ask for it. I’m happy there doing it because I enjoyed the dahmer series it was a disturbing interesting show that kept my attention! It’s so simple if you don’t like it than guess what, don’t watch it that simple

@AckeIIe

Ай бұрын

Ngl would watch

@BruDia

Ай бұрын

Lol that's the only way I would subscribe back to Netflix, regardless yeah it shouldn't have been made because Netflix has already done a great job of documentary of many serial killers like Dahmer, Gacey and Bundy.

@PitbullFromSuburbs

28 күн бұрын

I just wonder who in their right mind would think, “We should create a show about Jeffery Dahmer.” And the crazy part is the fact that people actually like it

"Jeffrey Dahmer's life was a case study, not a character study." Perfect quote right there

@aDespondentThespian

Жыл бұрын

Wrong.

@computeraidedyami

Жыл бұрын

No

@MrMatt-cm6do

Жыл бұрын

When there is ‘a case’ this horrible, I think a thorough examination inherently also brings up many things, including a ‘character study’.

@stanleydolan5609

Жыл бұрын

Case has been closed on the level of depravity which he sank into. That has been already shown openly by wilie coyote obsession with the roadrunner.

@deuce5546

Жыл бұрын

@jordanxkun You don't understand at all. It being a case study precisely means we have to study the factors that made Dahmer what he turned into, but we don't have to be put into his perspective to do so. That's what differs a case study from a character study.

My problem with Dahmer is how Netflix was blatantly marketing him as some kind of sex icon. It is disturbing enough that people romanticize fictional psychopaths like Christian Grey or the Joker, but doing so with a real murderer who killed real people is a whole other level of wrong.

@thevaccinator666

10 ай бұрын

Were they though?

@AR15andGOD

9 ай бұрын

People don't romanticize the joker in any way. Have you ever seen Joker 2019? I don't even know how you can come away with that conclusion unless you are ideologically driven.

@Free_Candy_Van

9 ай бұрын

@@AR15andGODLook at any “Alpha male” post that’s in text form, or any edgy kid post. Romanticizing comes in many forms, not just in sexual ways.

@jevilstail

9 ай бұрын

netflix put the LGBT tag on this show at one point. they are so out of touch.

@heroawesome8495

9 ай бұрын

I don't think that happened. I never once saw any promotional material or anything like that that indicated that Dahmer was supposed to be a sexy person. His crimes were sexual in the sense that he brought people back to his house with the intent of having sex with them and then murdering them, but I wouldn't count that as being considered "sexy" in any way. Joker 2019 has absolutely never been a sex icon. They explicitly show him in the movie as creepy, mentally disturbed, and completely out of touch with women. Christian Grey was marketed as a sex icon, but that's only because the franchise he was in was supposed to be a twisted female fantasy. I do think it was a little fucked that netflix put the LGBT tag on Dahmer tho😭

the scene in the court was insanely disturbing trying to replicate that woman’s grief

@MsTinkerbelle87

7 ай бұрын

You mean mocking the poor woman?

@ireneedmonds4712

6 ай бұрын

Telling her story

@utdjosh2964

6 ай бұрын

@@ireneedmonds4712 it’s not telling her story when there is already video of it though is it

@midnight4685

5 ай бұрын

@@ireneedmonds4712 She asked for the scene/show to not exist. Sometimes a story really doesn't need to be told when it'll do far more harm than good, especially when the owner of the story is telling you not to.

@lxmesoda

4 ай бұрын

​@@midnight4685you mean someone who was actually a part of the story

I loved the episode Silenced, because it gave me what the series' description promised: the victim's point of view. It was interesting and gave a perspective into what life was like for that specific person, but the rest of the series should've also focused on the victims' lives before Dahmer took it from them. I think this series had potential with the social commentary, but it also focused too much on the murderer, who has been portrayed a lot in both fiction and documentaries. It could've been interesting (and probably more welcomed by the victims' families) to show how these people were in their everyday lives, and stayed more true to reality. We already have documentaries focusing on the crimes and the criminal, but not enough on the people who were affected by them.

@ringring8938

5 ай бұрын

Is not popular, people will downvote it to hell

@kernel-pult

5 ай бұрын

This is especially true when you consider that serial killers do what they do because they do not see other people as people. To make the serial killer the main character is exactly what a serial killer wants, and ties into the entire reason why they kill. Most of them WANT to be famous for killing people. Netflix making him the main character and then claiming to be about telling the victims' stories is so glaringly contradictory. Taking the time to show how he was bullied as a child etc. is so infuriating because it is effectively irrelevant to the reason why someone becomes a murderer. Serial killers from birth have a part of their brain missing - sure they need to ALSO have bad childhoods to actually become one. It's so misleading to show all of that stuff as if becoming a murderer is the natural conclusion, like millions of people around the world don't also have childhood trauma. I don't think anyone should attempt to humanise that POS as a matter of principle.

It makes me sick to think about the victim’s loved ones having to open Netflix and the reminder being RIGHT THERE. It’s the first thing you see.

@Canev821

Жыл бұрын

Why not cancel it

@bz7661

Жыл бұрын

No one is forcing them to watch it though, still, tasteless of Netflix to not contact them.

@ns1208

Жыл бұрын

@@mikasablackerman6776 you are acting like netflix is essential to life..lol

@ABChibi

Жыл бұрын

Good.

@isadora6092

Жыл бұрын

@@ns1208 what are you even saying. should the families of the victims not watch netflix just because its not essential to life? wtf

if they wanted to do justice to the victims while showing how fucked up this dude was, why not do every episode like Silenced. have each episode follow a victim and get us attached then have us experience the grief of losing them to this character. have us hate him, not rave over

@jbellflower83

Жыл бұрын

That's what I said in my post. Just let him be the Michael Myers faceless killer who shows up and kills whichever victim that episode was following..

@claudettewright365

Жыл бұрын

Exactly!

@ns1208

Жыл бұрын

The first episode was about tracy..2nd was about konrake.they mostly focused on how twisted he was..Mannequin,J**king off at a fair,tasting blood..If you think showing this is glamorizing him I don't know what it means then actually..Dahmer showed red flags throughout his life..his parents were too scared to find out the truth until he became the monster.I don't know why it is difficult to understand.

@BigMoney398

Жыл бұрын

@@ns1208 bro you don't know how sick some people are if you think all those disgusting things shown in the show would stop them from glamourising and romanticizing him.

@ns1208

Жыл бұрын

@@BigMoney398 then that's their problem?? The show isn't meant to teach them moral..It showed how things happened. How we comprehend is totally our concern..Not for a moment I thought Dahmer was charismatic.Evan managed to make him look how disgusting,powerless he was to his own thoughts..I absolutely loved Evan's portrayal.

You know it’s bad when the _South Park_ portrayal of Dahmer as basically Larry of the Three Stooges is a more tasteful depiction.

@mrmhj9925

7 күн бұрын

Thing is, South Park is mocking ‘em. It’s clever like that.

This show has made my 15 year old sister obsessed with Jeffrey Dahmer. She straight up sympathises with him at times. Now she has a boyfriend... I'm scared.

@enterbalak

2 ай бұрын

*"back into the vortex.."*

@cyberblueangel

Ай бұрын

Well, at least I'm glad she has you to worry for her, please take care :)

@user-qt9ek3us6i

Ай бұрын

Don't be, she'll grow up. Teenagers are fucking stupid, just try your best to get her out of that dumb phase.

@prettyxbonez96

23 күн бұрын

Your parents need to sort that out. I5 with a boyfriend...wtf

@anjafrohlich1170

18 күн бұрын

@@prettyxbonez96 Wdym? Fifteen is a completely normal age to have a boyfriend or girlfriend.

Dahmer himself has said that there is no reason he killed, he is just evil and he can’t stop it. Start the show with an interview of him saying that, and use the rest of the show to ACCURATELY portray the events, something they REALLY didn’t do.

@enterbalak

Жыл бұрын

Needed more re-enacting of interviews I agree.. but it starts really well.. just needed more prison interviews.m

@alexklair5397

Жыл бұрын

To be clear, I know that Dahmer was in no way, shape, or form a good person. What he did was horrific. However, he was a human being with a childhood and skewed brain development. He was a deeply mentally unwell man, and this show did that fact justice. In most cases if someone is able to call themselves evil, they are not truly evil, just very deeply mentally ill.

@enterbalak

Жыл бұрын

@@alexklair5397 mentally ill, that's why he was smart enough not to take medictations for it, because they purposely turn people into sexless lifeless zombies.. he was smart, he knew what he was doing, it was pain & extreme pleasure for him, he wasn't insane, just acted on his impulses and obtained a form of power. All those famous serial killers did it because they loved it, I wouldn't go blaming mental illness.. but that's why they create forms of most pharmaceutical drugs by targeting their sex drives to stop people from doing such things.. it all connects..

@LarryM565

Жыл бұрын

This show is pretty accurate actually. They just combined Glenda and Pamela into one character.

@girlinwhite8731

Жыл бұрын

Right

I find it really disturbing that so many people on social media have been feeling sympathy for Jeffrey Dahmer and not his victims. I even saw a video from one woman who stated that she felt sorry for Jeffrey Dahmer. 🤦🏿‍♀️

@TheN92

Жыл бұрын

We do because it was still a human being, that while as disturbed as he was, he was still human, just as much as the victims were.

@randomrandle9141

Жыл бұрын

@@TheN92 Yep

@samuelcroissant87712

Жыл бұрын

Who has sympathy for him but NOT his victims? You’re reaching, no one had this take. Stop

@yaruyaru

Жыл бұрын

@@samuelcroissant87712 Up there you have an example of two people who have that mindset. Not a big number, yet a preoccupying one.

@TheCloudRazorable

Жыл бұрын

@@TheN92 so I’m supposed to sympathize with that POS as much as the innocent souls he killed

I remember having the same question when I found out Dahmer had a netflix adaptation. Before this, I already heard about his story in a lot of youtuble channels that covers true crimes or dark and mysterious stuff. I think I learned about the full detail of his story in Infographic's show's videos about him, and that was years before this series was made. When I found out Dahmer was getting a netflix series about his life and then it suddenly went viral, I can't help but wonder why. I mean... who is the show even is for? I know the full details of his crimes, and if you ask me, I don't think what he did deserved to be adapted in any form of artistic media. If it was a documentary, then I would've been fine with it. but no... they actually put a lot of effort into it, make it seem dramatic and artistic and so intriguing... like... why? If it was an adaptation of a fictional story, I'd get it. But no... this is a real crime, a real tragedy, a real story.

@thegungooch639

4 ай бұрын

I remember seeing it on TV when it happened. He was a worthless pile of garbage that used human beings as sex toys...

@d34thl1ng

2 ай бұрын

Long story short: money. They were told by victims families' NOT to do this, yet they did it anyway, and I can't help but assume they did it for monetary gain considering how popular all types of true crime media are.

i couldn't watch dahmer because one time, i wanted to read about how the police were so negligent on the case...and i unfortunately stumbled on a blog that showed what the police saw....and the actual photos...it was so horrifying and disgusting knowing that this was just available to be seen for everyone. i really cannot imagine the pain the victims' families must be going through

@Aimi_Kaneko

4 ай бұрын

Are you saying that photos of his victims are just out there on the internet for random people to see??? What is wrong with people????

@bigdigs2233

3 ай бұрын

Internet forums pre 2006 would have given you an instant heart attack.

@lavenderhuman

3 ай бұрын

@@bigdigs2233I’m so sorry we’re not as cool and brave as you so as to enjoy seeing gore of real life murder victims. I guess we can’t all be as cool as you

@bigdigs2233

3 ай бұрын

@@lavenderhuman damn, they don't teach reading comprehension anymore. Where did I say I enjoyed it?

@popp5926

Ай бұрын

@@bigdigs2233 Reading comprehension? The post your replied to said they were horrified and disgusted of the fact that the photos were made public. Not how they personally reacted to the photos.

I knew a girl in highschool so deeply obsessed with Dahmer she has to switch schools because they were so concerned. She bought identical glasses, had him as her background on her phone and SCHOOL ISSUED ipad, and even went as far as changing her last name on facebook to it. We live in an area not far from where he was from and ugh to think the horrors were so real to people so close to us and she still couldn't see how disgusting it was to put him on a pedestal... I genuinely can't imagine how bad it'd get for people further removed. Hell I went to school in Milwaukee and I know people who live there to this day fangirling over spots of his to visit. Get a grip, people.

@rubis5904

Жыл бұрын

People have an unhealthy fascination with serial killers. But really, serial killers are more often than not just losers who turned really wrong. Just because serial killing is something most people are incapable of doesn't make it cool. Unfortunately, some just get drawn by that 'predator' aspect which is supposedly edgy & cool when really it mostly shows up in sad broken people who need to make others miserable just so they're not the only ones.

@DontRespectTheUS

Жыл бұрын

@@rubis5904 Not just serial killers. There’s A LOT of folk who love criminals because of how violent and awful they are.

@bungersinyourarea

Жыл бұрын

Disgusting

@ImCarpet

Жыл бұрын

People like that need mental help. This group of girls in my school obsessed over the Columbine killers. They were all ugly and most likely just wanted to be edgy to get attention but I seriously thought they would kill us someday.

@beefboss4203

Жыл бұрын

This generation is awfull bro

I have single handedly seen more than 5 people wearing yellow aviators now since Dahmer came out, and saying quotes from the show. They really did turn him into a pop icon... I bet the dahmer victims' family loved Halloween this year

@lordkars3971

Жыл бұрын

Quite literally. Noticed that after watching the entire thing, I personally enjoyed it and thats when I realized how ironic it was. It literally romanticized him in every way while all the victims were thrown to the side. They didn't even get a memorial but dahmer has media throughout the years still getting recognition. He won't be forgotten, and they won't forget.

@necurrence1776

Жыл бұрын

Those are some stupid looking glasses by the way. Makes anyone look like a rapist. In fact, Johnlajoie made a parody many years ago calling them just that "rapist glasses"

@MrOlivertwist19

Жыл бұрын

Whatever...

@sneakymilkman4203

Жыл бұрын

He’s been a pop icon since the murders, this just amplified it.

@jspijk1595

Жыл бұрын

@@sneakymilkman4203 exactly this, he was being used in Rap songs for years already by diffrent artists. Juice WRLD even mentions him in a couple of his songs. and he died years before the show came out "Bandit" is the song im talking about

We need to start calling murder cases by those who were murdered and not the killers.

@popp5926

Ай бұрын

Some true crime youtubers are indeed doing that. Contents aside, it's a good move.

The original Sims building music in the background combined with the topic SENT me

The fact that they reached out to the victims’ families only to get no response really should have been a sign that this series should never have been made.

@moonlily1

Жыл бұрын

They didn't reach out to ask for permission, they reached out to ask them for their input on the story. How did he think they'd feel? I don't think he really cares at the end of the day. I think he was just ticking off a box of the gestures that need to be made to justify what he's doing, which is exploiting their sons and brothers for his financial gain.

@La0bouchere

Жыл бұрын

Wouldn't a better sign be for any of them to say no?

@moonlily1

Жыл бұрын

@@La0bouchere Murphy didn't ask them for PERMISSION, he asked them to contribute their input. He was doing it with or without them.

@namkwal4605

Жыл бұрын

They did respond. They responded by begging for the show to not have been made, yet here we are.

@khrisstake2210

10 ай бұрын

Completely disagree. Thats irrelevant to why the show should be made. Fan fair is good enough.

If they were going to take all these artistic liberties with the case of Dahmer, could they not have just written a story based on it? Then, you can be as creative as you want with your story and not retraumatise the families of victims. Yeah, you can't plaster the name on all the marketing, but that's a pretty fair price to pay to not exploit actual murder victims.

@dr.amygdala6524

Жыл бұрын

They aren’t creative enough for that

@pacoscorner7318

Жыл бұрын

There's a deeper horror found within something which is real as opposed to something you know is fictional.

@blutygar

Жыл бұрын

@@pacoscorner7318 Didn't the video mention Texas Chainsaw Massacre, which was inspired by a real life murderer but didn't use any of the real life subject matter and still manage to have an huge impact?

@pacoscorner7318

Жыл бұрын

@@blutygar Because at the time, what was there even remotely close to Texas Chainsaa Massacre?? It was a cultural phenomenon because there was nothing quite like it. Nowadays, you have a serial killer and a slasher film for just about everything you can think of. We aren't as sheltered and innocent anymore, so in order to really strike somewhere that leaves us scared and disturbed, you have to dig deep. Just in case it wasn't clear, I'm a horror fanatic-

@Phantom-kc9ly

Жыл бұрын

@@blutygar that was a lie. It's not based on anything and the creator said as much

I found that the arty and poetic cinematography etc really conveyed why dahmer did what he did. It was a kind of transcendental, ritualistic, intoxicating and hypnotic experience for him. If you're already enamoured with dahmer or highly cognizant of the fact that other people are, it's probably going to precondition you to think that these scenes were mythologizing dahmer or portraying him adoringly.

I actually really loved how they focused very heavily on the konerak's and how the murder affects racism and homophobia, the repercussions of dahmers actions and how it affected a community. I thought those last few episodes were really well done, whereas the beginning we were seeing things from dahmer's pov, by the end we were seeing things through the eyes of an asian immigrant family and the families of the victims and the peope in the community.

people at my school were head over heels for this dahmer. people even dressed up as him for halloween. THEY DRESSED UP AS AND WERE ATTRACTED TO JEFFERY DAHMER AND SAW NOTHING WRONG WITH IT

@JDoe-gf5oz

Жыл бұрын

That's kind of funny.

@FlatAssTruther

9 ай бұрын

That's horrific.

@edwinavil7867

8 ай бұрын

That is just, very stupid. The fact that people idolize this killer is just horrible.

@-kdot-2332

8 ай бұрын

​@JDoe-gf5oz nah its disturbing

@Altzar2011

8 ай бұрын

Halloween? On June?

The fact that people are simping for duhmer and dressing up as him on Halloween is so sickening. This is traumatizing the victims over and over again. *Edit: i lost brain cells reading these comments💀*

@hunbi1875

Жыл бұрын

Victims? I don't know if you know what he did. He uh, killed them. You can't traumatize people that are already dead.

@ClitneySpears

Жыл бұрын

@@hunbi1875 The victims families are still alive and probably don’t wanna be reminded of this.

@hunbi1875

Жыл бұрын

@@ClitneySpears yeah but that isn't what the og commenter said. They said victims.

@PVT_White

Жыл бұрын

I think the majority is simping for Evan Peters because he looks like a handsome guy let's be honest but the scene where Dahmer got fanmail sickend me out. How can people be so brain amputated to be a fan of Jeffrey Dahmer? He was a monster and in the show it gave me chills when you saw the victims dancing in the club and then the camera showing Dahmer looking at them. I never felt like they wanted to sympathize him.

@mrs.galloway

Жыл бұрын

@@hunbi1875 im talking about the families they are victims too.. also if someone is killed they are still considered a victim (grammatically i mean) and yes I know everything about the case i did an oral report on dahmer read books, watched interviews and the trial.

The scene where the mother gets the biography in the mail in the particular was the most blatantly hypocritical shit I've ever seen. I can't tell you how many times I saw that show on the front page every time my family booted up Netflix. I don't know how this show can be so carefully written at so many parts and then spectacularly fail to be self aware.

I didn’t watch this show so I can’t comment on it. But imagine being a family member sitting down after work to watch something on Netflix and this pops up. It makes me sick.

Ryan Murphy saying we wanted to be "respectful to the victims." Is laughable when you consider his that taking real life murder victims and rewrite them for his own grotesque fan fiction.

@Threefour_opennanoor

11 ай бұрын

wasn't a fan fiction though. was pretty accurate. I've studied Dahmer looooong before this show was even considered to be worked on. And people need to know this experience. So that we can at least know how to spot a "Dahmer" when they decide to prey upon us.

@EatShitanddieRicky

11 ай бұрын

@@Threefour_opennanoor Ryan Murphy does crap in general rather it's Anne Frank, The Zodiac Killings. And the way he does it is in terrible taste.

@Threefour_opennanoor

11 ай бұрын

@@EatShitanddieRicky brother there is no “tasteful” way to do it. It’s a show based on a true story about a serial killer. The only reason people are saying it’s a bad show because it’s actually really well made and looks shocking and they hate to admit it’s a good show. Plus Evan Peters is good looking which pisses people off.

@Threefour_opennanoor

11 ай бұрын

@@EatShitanddieRicky try making a show about the victims or literally ANYTHING about the victims and leave Jeff out of it. NO ONE is going to watch it or even care. Because the only thing that happened in those victims lives worthy of tv was being murdered by Jeffrey. It’s harsh to say but it’s literally just a fact.

@EatShitanddieRicky

11 ай бұрын

@@Threefour_opennanoor he literally rewrites actual history or actual people. He does it at least once a season with American Horror Story. And it's such recent history that victims still have living relatives.

as a black man, and one with very close ties to friends in the lgbtqia+ community, i refused to watch this show. they just exemplify the public obsession with the worst kind of human. it shows the killer in the light of sympathy, and nobody bothers talking about the people genuinely hurt. i hope true crime takes a look at the public reaction and trys to stray away from glorifying the people that are supposed to be the villains

@disstrackguttenyayeet2303

Жыл бұрын

You do realize they walked into this series, trying to not make you sympathetic for Dahmer. And I know some people did, but they are retarded

@biggestastiest

Жыл бұрын

people in the true crime community and true crime media itself has proven time and time again that they do not care about our lives, lgbt and poc victims are only unfortunate stepping stones to a juicy story in their eyes.

@frederikewalinsky2062

Жыл бұрын

This! I refuse to watch it, and haven’t been using Netflix even tho it’s not my subscription, I’m so over them and medias hard on regarding pain and suffering rather than honesty, empathy and accountability

@frederikewalinsky2062

Жыл бұрын

#2 and it’s not just the Dhamer bs but also shit like the bastard son series etc

@cheesmith6412

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely! There's a scene in the show where one of the victims sisters screams at him in court. The actual woman said when watching the show, they stole what she said word for word, outfit too brand by brand so much that she initially didn't realize it wasn't a recording of her. She had no idea they were going to do it either

Why tf does vid sound normal in 1.25 speed

@RipleysRealm

8 ай бұрын

Wait you're kinda right

13:26 I have to disagree with this seemingly common-held belief. There's a difference between _understanding_ and sympathising/empathising. If the statment being made here was true, it would be argued that either therapists and psychologists can only understand their patients because they somehow have every mental illness and worldview at once, or that somehow being officially recognised as a therapist/psychologist magically enlightens you to understanding mentally ill people without being able to relate to them... which, obviously, neither are true. People are able to understand the mentally ill without being that same type of mentally ill _or_ being legal professionals in mental health. Not _everyone,_ but it's a scary idea to spread that "understanding = being."

@f87582

26 күн бұрын

agreed. understanding is knowing someone's true emotions. empathy is feeling/sharing someone else's emotions (regardless of if its true or a misinterpretation on your end) and finally, sympathy is feeling something in response to someone's emotions. side tangent but that's why i don't like it when people use all of these terms to imply they respect someone's feelings. sometimes you'll never understand, empathize or sympathize with others' feelings, but even if you can't you can still respect them regardless.

Not only did the creators blatantly disregard the wishes of the victim's families, but as you have said the show still put its spotlight on dahmer despite the showrunners trying to say otherwise. The only depiction of Jeffrey Dahmers story that actually encapsulates what the show claims to have tried to do, and in my opinion succeeds at doing so, is Derf Backderf's "My Friend Dahmer". All his research and accounts are accurate, and makes it very clear his understanding and empathy is gone by the time he makes the decision to kill. In fact, that is where the story ends. No going farther to display gore and sensationalize the brutal murders, but instead leaving off the story where it is. Throughout the book he constantly questions "where are the adults? where are the people that are supposed to intervene?" as he depicts their shared childhood. This to me better puts the thought of societal history and responsibility onto us, to try and be better, while still holding dahmer accountable for his actions the older he gets, and when he ultimately takes his first victim.

@christyshultz6443

9 ай бұрын

When do they ever worry about the victim's family when they make movies or television shows.

@mariohurtado4275

3 ай бұрын

So what? Its an insteresting character deserving to be explored, just because of the real person the character was based on being a piece of shit, doesnt mean the character is not interesting.

@SweetDemoness

3 ай бұрын

@@mariohurtado4275 no it does not deserve to be explored. He’s been talked about ad nauseam already just leave it alone, he’s not an interesting man. He was a piece of human garbage, end of story, now you can watch whatever you want to. I’m not your mama but I’m just telling you the facts.

@JohnWall-lj1mx

2 ай бұрын

@@mariohurtado4275”interesting character” bruh he’s not fictional this happened and it shouldn’t have been made into a dramatised spectacle that was clearly just made to be a product for shareholders

@mariohurtado4275

2 ай бұрын

@@JohnWall-lj1mx It is a character, based on a real person and why shouldnt it?

Honestly David Fincher has done true crime projects with so much class and taste, whilst being as respectful to the victims as possible. Mindhunter and The Zodiac were excellent

@annwethenorth

Жыл бұрын

Well what this guy failed to inform you of, was the book. It's about John Douglas, not the serial killers. Never was. It's not heroic, it's accurate. Same with ressler s books. Ann's books. This isn't a new genre it just got a new audience

@rodrigozombie

Жыл бұрын

He's a real filmmaker and artist though

@xealixcrowing7659

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I loved Alien 3. Really made me feel for the people on that prison planet.

@iz444

Жыл бұрын

he’s David Fincher for a reason

@user-wo5tc9ux7u

Жыл бұрын

Mindhunter was alright, vastly overrated online. Same with zodiac, although it was slightly better

When asking “who is this made for?”. I think one has to look at what the series is. How it is framed, how it’s told and so on. And in this case, to me it is unquestionably a horror series.

This was more of a Tiger King-like show where the docuseries is meant to taken "seriously" but it really just emphasizes the wrong people and draws the wrong kind of message that it should've given or pretended to give. Almost like 13 reasons why as well.

@cashthecurator666

3 ай бұрын

This show is about as shitty and offensive as 13 Reasons Why, if not more so.

I wish true crime shows like this would focus on the victims like “Silenced” did. They are the ones who deserve to have their story told, they’re the ones who deserve to have their stories live on. Not the monsters who cut those lives short.

@racool911

Жыл бұрын

The problem here is that the monster story is usually a more interesting story to tell, and isn't forced into an anthology series.

@LanceRedCock

Жыл бұрын

Not every series is going to be about what you want. Valid criticism though.

@dambigfoot6844

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. The victims in the show felt like we were witnessing a deer being born and going through life before being hunted. Sympathy for the victims came in the form of the neighbor woman attaching her name to everything for a paycheck.

@gobogoo2329

Жыл бұрын

if every episode was structured like silenced not a single person would want to be caught dead feeling sympathetic for dahmer

@raidenthenctzenwithinsomni4961

Жыл бұрын

By Silenced you mean the Korean movie about that school for deaf-mute kids?

Serial killers should go down in history as something evil, something you aspire to stay away from, they should be the targets of brutal mockery,hatred and disgust but instead they get this.

@Hard-R-Energy

Жыл бұрын

To be fair, they were already treated like that, which is why many of them turned out the way that they did.

@Aldranor

Жыл бұрын

...u think people are supporting his actions based off of this. I mean everyone I have ever spoken to has taken a shit all over him. Who are u interacting with. It's a fucking Netflix drama that shows how shitty he was and how even tho you have a bad past it doesn't excuse how u treat others in the present. I don't think a lot of people think critically

@youropinionsareshitandsoar1954

Жыл бұрын

@@Aldranor It’s basically torture porn For moms in their 30s

@KaseyC.

Жыл бұрын

@@Aldranor people have always had weird fetishes for guys like Dahmer. It's not common, you'll probably never meet someone like that in person, I doubt they even leave their mother's basement. But they definitely exist, one thing the show did manage to get right is people needlessly glorifying him, fantasizing him, etc.

@kaical8273

Жыл бұрын

"This" is exactly everything you said, albeit done poorly.

As a psychology student who is majorly fascinated by serial killers and their brain makeup and motives, I really enjoyed the Dahmer series when it came out. But as a human being? It's timing to be made and the way that it ignored the very real people who suffered the torment of Dahmer and the pain he inflicted just dragged into the mud

@ringring8938

5 ай бұрын

Let's be real, you enjoyed the show but feel guilty for enjoying it. Is ok 👌

@mlk0-0

5 ай бұрын

Care to explain how someone who claims to be interested in the physical brain and motives would enjoy a show that makes up all of it and, in fact, asserts that it can't even be known?

@Burnyip

5 ай бұрын

@ringring8938 I did enjoy it, and did not feel guilty because I can acknowledge that it was largely overdramatisiced. I've done extensive research about Dahmer and other serial killers and taken in multiple different informative media forms about them. So no I am not ashamed of my interest

@Burnyip

5 ай бұрын

@mlk0-0 because I know that a lot of it is made up but from the outside it seems like a remake doco, not just a drama series. And how was I supposed to know and find out it was largely fictionalised from the outside without watching it? Now I can educate others that there are better forms of informative media to go to about Jeffery Dahmer and his crimes than this series

0:40 unrelated, but you have my utmost respect if you play Persona 5 soundtracks in the background - beneath the mask is a beautiful piece

The difference between Joker and Dahmer is that one if clearly fiction. Joker can excuse it's attempts to make the audience understand and sympathize because it is entirely fiction and a cautionary tale of sorts. Dahmer on the other hand depicts real world violence that happened and trying to make the audience understand and humanize a man who killed REAL people and ruined the lives of REAL FAMILIES, makes it wrong. They should've done a show inspired by Dahmer and just done a character study with a fictional character. They clearly wanted to do that from the beginning, and it seemed like the portrayal actual effects on the victims and their families was an afterthought.

@ns1208

Жыл бұрын

The problem is you glamourize & connect with character like joker but when a real person is like that you feel disgusted..I felt Dexter was kinda inspired by Dahmer

@nont18411

Жыл бұрын

Now they make an entire cinematic universe based on this show. Truly disgusting.

@Damienp3902

Жыл бұрын

Dahmer wasn’t trying to make people understand why he killed I watched the show already and I never felt that’s what the show was trying to do the only time I felt sympathy towards him was when they showed his upbringing it was honestly heartbreaking it doesn’t excuse any of the disgusting things he’s done though.

@vergilsmotivation7817

Жыл бұрын

@@Damienp3902 exactly. What I wished they do is to focus more on the victims. Since more than half of them weren't even in the show at all. I even saw someone say the show was meant to honour the victims but honestly after watching, it clearly wasn't.

@Flipitmixit

Жыл бұрын

Inspired by dahmer defintely wouldve been better

“The creative team had immense respect for the events” My brother in Christ, they made the show..

@damianlopez3315

Жыл бұрын

They’re profiting off of a tragedy its exploitative like you said so how did they have respect 😂

@jspijk1595

Жыл бұрын

@@damianlopez3315 how about other tragic events? WW2, 9/11, Afghan War, just to name a few.

@alexdelker

Жыл бұрын

@@jspijk1595 hard to compare when this series is focused on 1 person vs. major world events

@theonlineanimal6009

Жыл бұрын

@@damianlopez3315 soo. Most things in life only exist because somone exploited somone. Kinda how the world works

@jspijk1595

Жыл бұрын

@@alexdelker but we do agree both tragic events can have a impact on the survivors/family right? Where do we draw the line where 1 real life event is okay to despict in the media and the other is not? When both are horrendous tragedies? I see alot of people critisise the show that dhamer seems to "humane" either by seeing resambalance in his past or that hé did everyday things others did. That is Just the true state of the world. 1 of the reasons ted bundy was very succesfull was because he was charismatic. And people sadly want to only see bad in the real people they despise. But in reality that is not the case. Thats 1 of the reasons a organisation here in the Netherlands wanted Netflix to get rid of the show, because people saw resembalance in his past with their own. And it made them feel uneasy. Sorry but it is the reality of the situation criminals are indeed humans, that eat, sleep, shit, had parents probs went to school etc etc.

I just love how the "ever-increasing interest for true crime over the last decade" coincided with my complete disinterest for the subject over time, in my personal life. Fits with my own views of myself. :)

I used this show as an example in a essay i did on the sensationalization and glamorization of true crime. It was not as a very positive example primarily because of the way Dahmer was portrayed compared to his victims.

I think something very telling is how Dahmer’s younger self is played by an actual child actor but the victim Konerak Sinthasomphone a 14 year old child, was depicted by an actor who was 20 years old.

@shufflesaurus2666

Жыл бұрын

Because using real minors for sexual scenes in a television series is criminal

@JDoe-gf5oz

Жыл бұрын

@@shufflesaurus2666 Keira Knightley got away with it.

@meganfaith4052

Жыл бұрын

@@shufflesaurus2666 I mean, it’s very easy to alter a scene to make it metaphorical. A competent writer can show instead of telling. Also that’s not the point. The creative team made an executive choice to not depict the victim as a child and lessens Dahmer’s horrors as a pedophile.

@zurirobinson2749

11 ай бұрын

Young adult actors are typically the ones cast as teens because of the legal issues involved with using actual teen actors. Everyone on Glee was in their 20s, everyone on Euphoria is in their 20s... it's not anything specific to this show. It's made apparent in the scene that the "character" is a 14 year old.

@Antibot01

9 ай бұрын

@@meganfaith4052 hey, it's not a "pedophile" it's an LGBT person! Have some respect!

I don't know about other people who created this show, but I don't think that Ryan Murphy deserves the benefit of the doubt regarding his respect for the victims, because of his history with American Horror Story. Throughout the show, he constantly takes horrible people from history and romanticizes them, or mythologizes them, or turns them into enticing figures, or exploits their crimes for shock value, sometimes all of the above. La Laurie in Coven, a whole ensemble of serial killers (including Dahmer) in Hotel, portrayed as a fun hangout group that meets once every year, the one with Richard Ramirez with superpowers, and much more. The moment I saw he was doing a Dahmer TV show, I exactly knew what's going on. Exploiting terrifying real life events for clout is after all his thing at this point.

@meeptop

Жыл бұрын

As you already know from the AHS videos, I'll be one of the first to criticize the exploitative nature of a lot of Murphy's work. When I say I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt, I didn't mean that his approach should be immune to negative backlash. Rather that I want to believe that, while often misguided, his intent is not malicious. Call me naive but, for as much as I detest some of what he does creatively, I don't want to believe Ryan Murphy is a mustache twirling villain who looks at these events and says "Yes, this is perfect! Now I can exploit these people's suffering for money and attention!" I genuinely believe that, in his mind, he sees exploiting the taboo in his wildly successful series format as an avenue to make his audience contend with the horrors of the world and promote societal change. Do I think he's successful at achieving that? No, not personally. I think his creative and stylistic approach completely truncates any of his intentions, and I obviously believe that's worth being negatively critical of (otherwise I wouldn't have bothered to make this video). But, you might be right. Maybe he really does do all this purely for fame and money. Maybe he just says all this "respect for the victims" stuff for PR reasons, or to personally justify his actions. Which would be a really, really sad revelation and would make me lose a little bit of faith in art and humanity lmao. So I choose to give the benefit of the doubt, maybe more for my own sanity than Ryan Murphy's reputation.

@rubeswylona

Жыл бұрын

I couldn’t agree more with this comment. Since the Dahmer uproar, I’ve been rewatching AHS and it’s turned into and entire case study on Ryan Murphy for these reasons. I don’t believe it’s a conscious, malicious intent, but it’s a big problem.

@plantemor

Жыл бұрын

And a very cynical part of me thinks that he picked Dahmer because he's gay.

@brickellrich1

Жыл бұрын

@@plantemor That would be ok, though. It’s really the least of the problems.

@chels_o5

Жыл бұрын

i love ahs but this aspect of the show has always made me deeply uncomfortable. there’s a shocking amount of real life serial killers portrayed in the show in such a disrespectful way i have to skip over most of the scenes that include them. coven and 1984 were the worst for it imo and the scene in hotel was just disturbing

What is the jazzy song thing in the intro

No, no, no. Hear me out. This is how it is. 1) You can watch the show the right way, 2) or miss the point and watch it the wrong way and glorify it. 3) And then there are the ones who can't handle it and have no need to watch it. For me it was therapeutic because I had a lot of doubts about myself and my own character, but watching this reminded me of how good and sane I actually am. It was also a cautionary tale that informs us of how to prevent things like this from happening. It was history, it really happened, and there are things that can be learned from it. The fact is that Dahmer really was a human being, albeit one with a sick twisted mind. I enjoyed the show, but I think it was mostly because it felt real and educational and cathartic. I don't support the things Dahmer did. It's not all black and white. You don't have to jump to conclusions and take things to the extreme. I think that watching this will just reveal what kind of person you are and teach you something about yourself. That's my take.

@milamila1123

7 ай бұрын

It's easy for people to believe that those who did monstrous acts were just that - monsters, instead of fellow men and women. It makes it easier for them to distance themselves and believe that those who do awful things aren't human, like them, and that surely, they couldn't even imagine doing such a thing.

@calebscoville2585

7 ай бұрын

@@milamila1123 Yeah, I mean there IS a difference between them, because Dahmer is a very extreme case with unique mental problems. But the thing is that there's overlap, things that both "monsters" and "normal people" have in common.

@ringring8938

5 ай бұрын

Unfortunately, we worship psychopaths.

@shimmeringscales

25 күн бұрын

most of the stuff they portrayed never even happened so. not sure how educational it is unless you're stupid and don't know how to look into things yourself. that's my take.

They could’ve done every episode based on a victim getting us to know this person and then showing the awful way Dahmer ended their lives like in episode 6, also I know it’s not a major thing but Dahmer didn’t wear glasses during the trial because he didn’t want to see the victims he was a coward and a monster. I feel terrible for the victims families having their trauma be replayed like that and profited off, no compensation no warning just bam series released and a bunch of girls fawning in how hot Dahmer is

@Kevtheproducerstudio305

Жыл бұрын

If every episode was like that, I promise you it would be redundant and would get criticized. That is not the correct way to write a series.

@juno6624

Жыл бұрын

@@Kevtheproducerstudio305 Do you know what an anthology is

@Kevtheproducerstudio305

Жыл бұрын

@@juno6624 yes and no one is producing that as a Netflix show my guy…you clearly don’t know the industry

@Hamble_Gambles

Жыл бұрын

@@Kevtheproducerstudio305 silence deus ex pfp

@Celestialnighthawk

Жыл бұрын

He wasn’t a coward lol you gotta have nuts to sit there and dismember people and when he was murdered he just took it because he knew he deserved it he didn’t cry or beg for mercy

The second I saw Evan Peters, I knew exactly how this show would be framed.

@BarbieMariposa1613

3 ай бұрын

How?

@redhybrid9309

3 ай бұрын

@@BarbieMariposa1613he has a fan base that like to make edits of things he’s done in American Horror Story, they aren’t good things at all

@eyezodiotic3197

3 ай бұрын

As much as I love Evan peters I just know how bad this is gonna be

@shimmeringscales

25 күн бұрын

Evan Peters is horribly typecasted it's so embarrassing because in my honest opinion he's not that good at crazy, he's just good at being weird. I wanna see him in more roles like his one on the office 😭

Is that old "Sims" loading music playing in your background?!

what’s crazy is the scenes reenacting the horrific events before the victims’ deaths. imagine being the mother of one of these victims and seeing in detail the absolute atrocities enacted on your baby. my heart goes out to each and every surviving victim of that man.

"Respect the victims" *Proceeds to paint Dahmer's first victim as a homophobe with no evidence; then giving him the most brutal on screen death*

@iknowexactlywhoyouare8701

Жыл бұрын

i think the youtube's part where movie reviewers can't stop talking about the Dahmer series and every day, there's several videos about the series and analyzing it and reviewing it are also part of the problem. People are becoming way too obsessed with the series that they can't stop talking about it and making videos on it like this one. They are contributing to the problem and its absolute hypocrisy. The world will be a much better place once the show stops trending and people stop talking about it and making videos on it.

@GaiusCaligula234

Жыл бұрын

"Homophobe" I'm pretty sure that is how most people would react

@MidnightatMidian

Жыл бұрын

@@iknowexactlywhoyouare8701 Yes we are at the point where every youtuber with NO experiences whatsoever in theater or movies industry is thinking he's a good film critic. While basically expressing their political beliefs.

@MidnightatMidian

Жыл бұрын

@@GaiusCaligula234 Yeah now not wanting an homo sexual intercourse is now ''homophobic''.

@penquinzz9044

Жыл бұрын

@@MidnightatMidian he literally called him a f*ggot, did you even watch the show?

I’m in high-school. The show ‘Dahmer’ is apart of an underlying issue in true crime media where they characterize these people to the point they are infantilized in some ways and sexualized in others. I’ve seen this in a few other shows or series, most notably being ‘Extremely Wicked, Shockingly Evil and Vile’ which is a piece of media about Ted Bundy overviewing the public opinion and view of him. I watched the entire show with my sister and I couldn’t help but feel slightly disturbed at how they depicted a serial killer in such a horribly endearing demeanor. It was like they were wanting you to feel some sort of sympathy just to hit you with shock factor at the end. ‘Dahmer’ uses a lot of these methods in the way that they infantilize and fictionalize this real person who has done horrific acts of violence. They do the exact same thing in most pieces of true crime. The reason I felt it important to mention that I am in high-school is how vile children act about these real people who have done real things. I have seen people point out people look like Dahmer, I have seen people make jokes to me about eating people because of my name. You can’t walk a minute in the halls without hearing the name ‘Dahmer’ used as some sort of insult or some confusing compliment among true crime ‘Fans’ It’s strange that people had such a reaction to the show. Overall, my opinion about the show is that it’s horrible. If it was a piece of fiction, if it as based off of these crimes and adapted into a piece of fiction, if it was handled better then it would be fine. Instead, they treated it as if it was these things although it wasn’t. They chose to have a message that is completely hypocritical to what is actually happening. In short; I hate it.

@yuyuridolly

Жыл бұрын

My take on the Ted Bundy movie is that it puts the viewer into a sense of paranoia and wonder at the end of the movie similar to how others around him thought of him and his personality. In my opinion, it sympathizes him in a way where the viewer is left confused and betrayed much like how the general (moral) public reacted to the real evidence and his confession to committing over 40 murders, speculated to be more. I don't think this is a bad way of showing sympathy, but it's also easy to imagine why others think of it in another way. its hard to explain

@MegaMjjordan

Жыл бұрын

As a young adult you got the right mindset my man, keep it, run with it, expand it, guard it and don’t let anyone tell you otherwise when it comes to seeing underlying issues with things like these. Be safe out there💪🏾

@user-ze7sj4qy6q

Жыл бұрын

i was in highschool in the town where they filmed part of that show (never watched it and didnt keep up so idk exactly how much was filmed there, but i remember a few seperate times things were blocked off or theyd film inside someones house and that kid would talk abt it at school or whatever) and i remember just kinda feeling weird abt how excited everyone was abt like them using our town to glorify a serial killer? which is part of why i never watched it btw someone's probably gonna try to say im lying or that wasnt true or sth, but like it was. idk why i would make that up lmfao

@Caporg3000

Жыл бұрын

You’re very articulate for someone in high school. You’re going places.

@gamingbanana7618

Жыл бұрын

ur a smart guy man, I bet you feel a little out of place at school. U don't seem to be ignorant like the rest of ur peers. U see things for what they truly are. I agree, Dahmer is a terrible show. I was not too fond of it from the second it was announced. Kids in college act the same way towards it. Girls fangirling over him, people dressed up as Dahmer during Halloween parties, and somehow he pops into every conversation. I thought it was all disgusting. I hate true crime and movies and shows that are extremely gory and disturbing. I just don't think people should watch that kind of stuff. If u watch too much of it, I feel like you can go crazy yourself or you become desensitized to it, and its no longer that disturbing. I think this also causes paranoia and people start becoming more suspicious of one another. I mean, everyone has the ability to kill another human. By watching these kind of shows you may become very suspicious of everyone around you that you meet... its just not good for our mental health to watch this kind of stuff. People with anxiety, depression, or anything like that should stay away from media like this. It will only make them more paranoid. But somehow.. those kind of people seem to enjoy this show the most. Very strange.

I’ll never forget the first time I saw Rita Isbell, who screamed and threatened Dahmer in court for the murder of her brother. Her pain and fury was more captivating, utterly heartbreaking, and more powerful than anything this show could produce. To know they threw that trauma back in her face and all the other victims of Dahmer with little to no regards for them is horrid.

What is the music played during the introduction?

The absolute worst thing about this show is the disrespect shown to victim’s families. Their permissions weren’t considered necessary, which sickens me. If they had and if it still got green lit, it wouldn’t have been as controversial as it stands now. It’s still an important piece, in my opinion. It highlighted the dangers of negligence in parenting, the hardships that African Americans faced back then and the importance of self-awareness we may even lack today, by future’s hindsight.

@FakedPvp

Жыл бұрын

I mean yes but at same time a lot of there information is published or been publicly released. This is common for shows to do they don't often go to the families for permission cause it's a show not a recreation so no need for there permission. I do agree it is sad that they did that

@yasmineh.1333

Жыл бұрын

@@FakedPvp TBH that just makes it all the more reason NOT to make the show. Everybody and their mother knows about the case. It's time to let the victims rest and leave their families alone.

@variangaming8559

Жыл бұрын

@edittzz4175but they will be affected by the “fans” of this show posting it everywhere and reminding them on social media day after day of the worst moments of their lives.

@yasmineh.1333

Жыл бұрын

@EdittZz People shouldn't have to essentially isolate themselves just to avoid getting triggered over and over. Plus it's not that simple. If you had a family member murdered, somebody made a show to profit off the tragedy, and didn't ask for your permission, even if you avoided social media you'd be pissed about it.

@yasmineh.1333

Жыл бұрын

@EdittZz Lmao sure.

If they didn't get a response from the families then that is a NO. If you don't get a "Yes" then it is a "No". Someone online who is family to one of the victim's shared the letter online. In the letter they said they were going to make the show to give justice to the victim's stories. That they were going to not focus on Dahmer. They completely ignored that. I'd also like to mention that the polaroids in the first episode are, allegedly, the real ones. When I saw them, I instantly recognized them. Even if they recreated them, it would be problematic that they looked at this real person's disfigured body and recreated that. Dahmer is not okay because it is about and takes creative liberties on the real person. If this was fictional, that would be great. Why couldn't they have just made a fictional show and a fictional character based off of the real deal? I would have been okay if it was fictional. But using actual or recreating actual polaroids? I will be embraisened to say fuck this show. I can not support it.

@moonknight6088

Жыл бұрын

Look, Dahmer and his victims died about 20 years ago, okay? In reality, Netflix doesn't need anyone's permission to make the show and they can certainly use as much creative license as they want. The show never tells the audience that everything is an accurate retelling of the story and frankly why would they? This is why the show has an age restriction, because any functioning adult can do some critical thinking and realize that this is a series... with actors. And their being filmed and reading lines and such, all written and directed by professionals. No series or movie, no matter how accurate or fictional, could ever bring "justice" to anyone from this case, ESPECIALLY if it had more of a focus on them than Dahmer. And about the polaroids, again, we are all adults here and this is a series about a serial killer so... who cares? Their are worse "true stories" being told constantly about people no one cares about, so no one complains but all of a sudden everyone cares about "the victims families" when the only thing they know about them is from Netflix or Twitter. This is a Netflix show not a documentary, it doesn't need support.

@dannymiller7187

Жыл бұрын

@@moonknight6088 I agree mostly and how do all the people saying it would be ok if it was a fictional show based on dahmer even come to think that? It would be the same exact thing and could make the families of the victims feel the same exact way but I guess then the people who say that can feel ok watching it and not have to worry about being shamed for liking a show. When I watched the first episode I basically got close to feeling like how someone in that situation probably felt like and I think that can be a very important thing for people to experience so those victims didn’t only die for Jeffrey dahmers enjoyment, their deaths could help thousands of people become empathetic to another human being when maybe they didn’t feel that before because of abuse or trauma they lived through. Could stop a future dahmer. You won’t get that by making something not entertaining or maybe not about a real person.

@Ave_humanity676

Жыл бұрын

The white guy uses exploitation as a reason not to make something ooookkkkayyy

@impactedlion7056

Жыл бұрын

You don't need permission. End of story cry about it and learn some legal advice before commenting stupid stuff

@Jennykikik9586

Жыл бұрын

@@moonknight6088 ​ don’t u have some compassion for the victims family’s? Yeah, obviously Netflix doesn’t necessarily need to ask anyone’s permission on anything but that’s real people’s families who they are dealing with. As a company you can’t just say who cares, that happened long ago and move on,thats not humane and must have been incredibly traumatizing for them, so either u leave the victim’s families alone or create a piece of media that does not exploit the community’s trauma (with their support of course)

What was the music you used in this video?

As someone who literally knows one of victim’s family members. (He’s and old neighbor of mine) I can tell you this show is disgusting and absolutely horrible for disrespecting family wishes and making them live through their trauma.

@Newdisaster

29 күн бұрын

The families didn’t want this? That’s sad

My issue with the Netflix shows on Dahmer revolves around a troubling theme. They often portray him as an atypical serial killer, downplaying his sadistic nature and highlighting his longing for companionship. The show subtly attribute his murderous tendencies to his past abandonment issues, excusing his actions to some extent. This portrayal is highly problematic and sets a dangerous precedent. While antihero protagonists have become prevalent in television, dramatizing a real-life serial killer like Dahmer is a different matter. It's like making a romantic comedy about Hitler, blurring the line between sympathetic humanization and exploitative glorification. Despite any personal grievances or psychological explanations, Dahmer was a sociopathic murderer who brutally took the lives of 17 innocent men. Loneliness and childhood trauma cannot justify or mitigate such heinous acts. The apologetic tone of these shows, framing Dahmer as a misunderstood individual in need of treatment, undermines the gravity of his crimes. He was fully aware of his actions, driven by an inner urge to control and dehumanize others. After being found legally sane, there should be no room for excuses or sympathy for a man with blood on his hands and a freezer full of mutilated remains. Yet, due to the over-objectivity of these Netflix releases, Dahmer sympathizers continue to emerge even three decades later.

@tired.5565

8 ай бұрын

They also made his dad way to likeable and blamed basically everything on his mom's PPD. Victimizing Dahmer. It's gross.

@tripptank

6 ай бұрын

Giving an explanation for how his brain got fucked isn't a way of being apologetic. "How did he end up this way?" "Because XY&Z" "Wow, defend him why don't you." See how ridiculous that sounds? Probably not.

@midnight4685

5 ай бұрын

@@tripptank Giving an explanation for how his brain got fucked isn't necessarily apologetics. But 'giving an explanation' is not a neutral act. Framing is very, very important, as the original commenter said. It's not depicting the events that's the problem, it's how. "Because XY&Z" isn't as simple as it looks. "How did he end up this way?" "A substantial part of it was his abusive circumstances, but also he was found legally sane and knew his actions were morally wrong. There are far more abuse victims who do not go on to murder and eat people, so it was not the full cause, there was something else, but such extreme circumstances likely did affect him. Even so, it doesn't excuse his despicable actions." "I see." The above is a more accurate conversation. On the flipside, an answer of "He made some mistakes because he didn't have the same morals as everyone else, because he was lonely and was hurt a lot as a kid" would much more likely be answered with "Wow, defend him why don't you", because the explanation, while perhaps somewhat accurate, is very misleading and kind to Dahmer, ignoring and downplaying the severity of the actions. Just like the difference between a documentary which actually focuses on the victims vs focusing on the murderer, which uses plenty of cinematography (and even the premise) to paint him as sympathetic. As one example, showing a character go through something we wouldn't enjoy almost always elicits empathy from the audience, so showing him getting bullied and abused sets the stage for an underdog that the audience wants to defend. We as people don't like seeing others get hurt. That alone is sympathetic/empathetic in a show where the main character is hurt. If you want an account of Dahmer's life or reasonings behind it, read a scientific paper or an academic book. Don't go to a cinematised drama version of it, because there is far more to it than "Because XY&Z" than one might notice at a glance.

@tripptank

5 ай бұрын

@midnight4685 "Giving an explanation isn't a neutral act." The factor making it neutral or not is the explainers intentions. Which other than your own interpretation of the show, you have no way of knowing, since the framing you mentioned is precived by half the viewers including myself, to be UNfavorable to Dahmer. So much so that your second paragraph is exactly how I would actually summarize the show. While your third blatantly ignores the many times characters including dahmer himself asked what is wrong with him. And needing someone to spoon feed you the idea that the moments of abuse they showed, were there because they happened, and not as vindication, shouldn't be necessary. It happened, and people being idiots is not a valid reason to leave out details of a story. How long do you think it would take me to find a scientific paper or academic book defending him? How possible do you think it would be to make a historically accurate cinamatized version? There are many ways to tell a story and give information. Don't assume the message based on the medium.

@midnight4685

5 ай бұрын

@@tripptank Certain media will always affect a message though, that is unavoidable. Intentions do not dictate what comes out, just like how a person can intend to be nice and say something hurtful. A documentary may be informative, it's not to say that no piece of video media can be informative, but a drama focused on a bad person as a main character is not neutrally informative, because dramas develop a bond between the audience and their main characters. The point of a drama is to elicit emotion from the viewer, which is not part of the quest for 'why is this person so messed up'. By showing more of the killer's perspective, it will humanise him more than other characters. You also might have misunderstood my point with the discussions; that format is a text discussion, where word choice is what communicates morals and opinion. It is an analogy, not exactly the same as the show. Because in cinema, even if the base story fits the first example, if the 'word choice' of the show, word choice being the cinematography, paints a nicer picture, then it comes out like the second discussion. If I said the first piece while rolling my eyes and making air quotes with my fingers the whole time, people would react just as negatively. If you like, consider that the analogy for the cinematography. Even if the story is the same as the words in the first discussion, if the structure of the show itself is conveying clear disdain through signals, it's not going to be taken seriously. If you were to look for a scientific book or paper that was determining what led him to those acts, you would most likely not find one that use almost any moral framing at all, not showing him as good or bad. They would have a far greater chance to be neutral because they would be conveying points rather than using descriptive language to elicit sympathy. Just to check, I googled different papers related to Dahmer and all of the ones related to the psychology are as clinical and cold as you would expect them to be. None of them humanise him at all. But drama isn't the only medium that would cause a problem, like how a novel with Dahmer as the main character would likely be just as flawed for reasons below (though at least it could have an unreliable narrator). I think the crux of the issue is the focus on Dahmer. Because by framing the narrative from his point of view, we get to see far more of him than we do the victims. That will inevitably lead to sympathy due to the audience witnessing more moments of humanity that an audience can relate to and cherrypick rather than spending that time humanising the victims. Even in the most evil characters in fiction, people relate to them and sympathise with them, because people can see snippets that they can relate to: being sad, being bullied, being tired or even just seeing the emotions that he feels, that always elicits empathy in humans. Every non-sociopath recognises, even at a subconscious level, "Oh, I've felt sad, feeling sad sucks, I don't want that guy to feel sad" because that's basic human empathy. Hell, people can relate to asking themselves what's wrong with them, that is something that a huge amount of people have been asked. We don't get to have moments of relatability for the victims if their only roles in the show are based around the murderer. The murderer is inherently humanised if the audience sees human parts in the murderer to relate to. That's just a function of the brain, it's not spoonfeeding or immature, it's like why we see cats and dogs as cute, empathy is unavoidable. It's why if you look up fans of Dahmer the real man, they cherrypick the cute human parts they can relate to. That he's gay, or that he looks like other harmless characters they recognise, or whatever they impose on him. By showing more moments of him, it gives the audience more moments to cherrypick, consciously or not, and their brains find empathy for those cherrypicked parts. But there just aren't those moments for the victims. So even if this show conveyed a perfectly factual message, it would deliver a completely wrong emotional message due to its focus on Dahmer - but that emotional message is an inherent part of the medium of drama and the whole point of the issue online. Dramas are entertaining because of investment in the characters. Investment in characters stems from recognising the humanity and snippets of relatability. The medium does genuinely get in the way of the show here, that's why people are annoyed. P.S. But if you can give me a single drama that is similar to Dahmer in that it was about a real, vaguely-recent, horrific crime and has the villain as a main character while managing to not humanise them, I would check it out and change my stance.

It's very upsetting to hear them talk about working so hard to respect the victims but failed to contact their families about making this. E: b/c this is a hot topic. I didn't say try, I said failed. Ryan Murphy said he reached out to 20 ppl, but there are also victims saying they were completely blindsided. His word against theirs. They could both be telling the truth who knows. Ryan has motive to lie (protect his show) and the victims really don't. Believe what you want, but there are no reciepts. Yes it's legal, public record yada yada but I was expressing disgust that they were bragging about respecting the victims while simultaneously retraumatizing their families.

@nebulashitpostprodubtions5971

Жыл бұрын

That's like having a specific white girl on Twitter trying to "Protect" The Black Community despite multiple black people asking her to stop but refusing anyways

@brownmonke1155

Жыл бұрын

They don’t need to ask permission to make the show.

@theredknight9314

Жыл бұрын

@@brownmonke1155 that’s not the point. The point is, if they were serious about respect they would have at least asked for consent simply as a formality.

@brownmonke1155

Жыл бұрын

@@theredknight9314 oh, well to be fair I don’t really care about that either. It’s a documentary like anything else. It’s like getting mad at a 9/11 movie or a world war 2 movie. There is still people who have family members that didn’t survive 9/11. Do they got to ask them to create a movie about that for respect?

@brownmonke1155

Жыл бұрын

@@theredknight9314 did you watch the show by the way?

I had no idea how much I missed The Sims music.

this is random but the piano music in the background in the intro was so soothing

@level5650

25 күн бұрын

It’s called “Beneath the Mask-rainy day” From a game called Persona 5

@zalamazu

25 күн бұрын

The song is "Tears of..." from the Silent Hill soundtrack. The comment above me is referring to the song that plays after.

One of the worst sins this series committed, in my opinion, was the court room scene. The scene where it focused on Rita. In the show she was calm collected, until the end. But in reality, she got angry, fast. To the point she had to be restrained.

@johnnyrocket1685

Жыл бұрын

There’s a video online that shows the real life court footage of Rita on top of the court scene from the show with the actress, and it’s nearly identical. The only difference is that the real Rita was genuinely angry, because it genuinely happened to her real brother; Whereas the actress was simply that, an Actor. She didn’t go through those events and thus didn’t have the real emotions that the real Rita felt. . So the differences between the show and reality are mostly just from the fact it was an actor merely trying to portray something that really happened.

@HomiSecual

5 ай бұрын

@@johnnyrocket1685I find it creepy how it’s nearly practically identical to the irl court

@lxmesoda

4 ай бұрын

​@@johnnyrocket1685no, it instead feels like they think poc are "crazy" for experiencing strong emotions so they portrayed rita in the show as "calm and collected" rather than being fucking angry that her brother was killed and the man who did it got away with it

@LolThatGuyVR

3 ай бұрын

She got angry fast in the show too and she did not did NOT stay calm

@miss-astronomikal-mcmxcvii

3 ай бұрын

@@johnnyrocket1685Yes, it made the reenactment of the justifiable outrage seem like a comedy and meant to provoke hilarity. IT IS NOT FUNNY, IT IS NOT ENTERTAINMENT, IT IS NOT COMEDY, IT IS NOT A JOKE.

And there is also the hollywood fetish around how dangerously deep an actor can get into a character like this the same way it happened with Joker since Ledger. I think it could be one of the reasons why the show got lost in it's own premisse of 'not focusing on Dahmer's perspective' and ended up with half the series showing Dahmer for the sake of Evan Peters' performance.

The only thing with this video i found weird was the "halloween thing" dropping 9 days before october? Homie halloween is at the end of october how is it convienient for it to drop 9 days before that month even starts? what is this convienience you speak of?

I loved the show but it bothers me that when it came out everyone was just simping for Jeffrey, didn't even say anything about the victims, people just missed the point of the show.

My 11 year old sister said she had a classmate who dressed up as dahmer for Halloween spirit week at her school. No words. Just disappointment. Just hopelessness.

@Chaoticpixie69

Жыл бұрын

Wish I could say I was shocked but people are shitty🙄

@manco828

Жыл бұрын

Get over yourself!

@ad8447

Жыл бұрын

People dressed as Dahmer for Halloween even when Dahmer was alive. He also received many fan mails in jail

@AsukaLangleyS02

Жыл бұрын

What a Chad

@gabrielfmm5465

Жыл бұрын

@@ad8447 oh it happened before so it's okay! ffs

Just hearing about this show and how they went about it absolutely disgusted me. The fact that they didn't ask the family members of the victims permission is completely shameful. Edit: Even if they did ask, since they didn't get any permissions, they should've called it quits right then and there.

@frederikewalinsky2062

Жыл бұрын

This! I refuse to watch it. And saying it’s exploitative is on point and not what people should be angry about, they should check themselves smh

@samf.s.7731

Жыл бұрын

Tbh I don't think that the families of the victims would have greenlit the portrayal. Not all of them, at least. It's understandable. If their loved ones are gone, they want them to be remembered for the people that they are, not for this PoS waste of a person.

@yvonnesanders4308

Жыл бұрын

The fact is they don't need their permission. There are plenty of untruths in the series

@randomnerd3402

Жыл бұрын

@@yvonnesanders4308 Yeah which further proves that those behind the show didn't care

@tryingggg1251

Жыл бұрын

@@yvonnesanders4308 they don’t need their permission because it’s public record, but they still shouldn’t have made the series

this should’ve never been made in the first place. people watch it because like said in the video they try to understand jeff, but truly anyone who does understand him becomes him.

@Jazz_Jacob

3 ай бұрын

Seems like a false dichotomy. Lack understanding or become Jeff. He’s not a monolith for serial killers

The weirdest part was that they portrayed Christopher Scarver like a hero who served justice when in reality he was a psychotic, racist, schizophrenic who claimed God told him to kill Dahmer for murdering black people. Not because he was angry about what Dahmer did to a 14 year old. He’s contradicted his side of the story every time he was asked about it.

Silenced was a real hit in the gut. Like you I completely forgot I was watching Dahmer, and by the time I was reminded, it was just crushing. If they would have given the other victims such a perspective, it wouldn’t have been such an exploitative/controversial series I believe.

@rosedcurt2865

Жыл бұрын

i stopped watching the show after this episode. it was just too much man. felt horrible after i finished it and probably won't be going back to watch more

@simontabony

Жыл бұрын

From a artistic standpoint, I thought it was great how you forgot it was actually the Dahmer show until about 20 mins in then they're in the bar and a blurry image of Dahmer sat at the bar becomes more focussed. Like its the representation of this evil focussing its attention on the victim and entering his life. Like the victim had been selected and now everything was going to ruined. But you're right, it was really the only episode to focus on the life of a victim pre-Dahmer.

@dangermanq7

Жыл бұрын

The whole point was to reanact what Dahmer did mate

@nanah846

Жыл бұрын

from a filmmakers perspective, you're right, it would've definitely lessened the exploitative feel the show has, but the truth is, it was always rooted in exploitation. they continued to create the show despite having 0 permission from every single one of the families. it was bound to happen, since the families have been exploited since the case was popularized. we never needed more shows/documentaries, all they do is reduce dahmer to a "character" and only harm the people they claim to "care about" and "respect".

@GrimlandCS

Жыл бұрын

@@nanah846 if money's the goal, there are no blockades in corporate eyes

This isn’t the first time Ryan Murphy has done this. In AHS, Evan Peters’ character Tate is modeled after the Columbine sh00ters.

@jessypiece

4 ай бұрын

Most of the murderers there were "inspired" by real crimes. Especially season 5 - The countess, H. H. Holmes, Dahmer, Aileen Wournos,...

@cashthecurator666

3 ай бұрын

To be fair, having a fictional villain being inspired by real life evil people isn’t always a bad thing. Case in point, Freddy Krueger was based on Dennis Rader and he’s kind of similar to Albert Fish. But because Wes Craven had class, he didn’t make Freddy into a copy of Fish or Rader, and he made damn sure not to make him even the slightest bit sympathetic. Ryan Murphy, on the other hand, seems to have a raging hard-on for losers like Dahmer, Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris. I mean, this is the same guy who made Richard Ramirez into a slasher movie villain in AHS: 84. Really tasteful, Ryan.

@christophercarey165

3 ай бұрын

@@cashthecurator666I’d argue that all villains are at least partially inspired by real people. Especially some of the best ones

@spoons250

Ай бұрын

@@cashthecurator666 Are you literally fucking kidding? Are you going to set here, bold face with full little chest and pretend Cravens didnt write Kruger to be a likable villain? Is this a joke? Im being punked, right? You understand when Kruger kills *WE ALL ROOT FOR IT* right? Omfg just sticking your whole fist up your ass and yanking out whatever and smearing it on the keyboard for arguments sake i see.

@sweatyfreddy7151

26 күн бұрын

Well yes, most good villains are inspired. I agree with this. Tate is not a good villain, he's honestly just weird and cringe mixed with violent crime and incel. Oh, and grape and child from grape. Not a good villain, simply provocation for provocation's sake. No hate to the actor tho

I feel bad for even watching the show. The first time I heard the line about “the story can’t be told from Dahmer’s perspective” I just thought… but that’s exactly what you did. They humanized a monster.

whata the song at the start, ive heard it somewhere and i feel lik3 its from silent hill

I loved "Silenced" episode... But there is also two problematic stuffs about it: A lot of people started to "ship" Tony with Jeff, and rooting for them being together and having thoughts like "it could be different..." "he could have changed Jeff..." "oh poor Jeff he was just scared to be abadonned again...". And, one of the things that the series forgot to mention, is that Tony was the first victim of the experiment of the "lobotomy sex slave fettish".... Yes, Tony could NOT save Jeff!!! And I guess that his family is brokenhearted to read those things about Tony right now... It is a goddamn wellwritten episode... in a sense, it was refreshing to se the point of view of a minority: a gay black and deaf man, and a wonderfull kid and human being in a true crime series... But with what cost? Changing those facts, that he was the first lobotomy victim, that Tony "could have changed the monster into a prince" thing like a Beauty and the Beast fairy tale... I think that is not fair... this also could be used to imply that really, he just was using Tony in the fisrt place, and the fact that Tony was his first attempt of a so called "zombie", should not be ommited...

@elisabethfotso727

Жыл бұрын

He first lobotomy was errol lindsy it was 9 victims it thinks

@erikcruz1640

Жыл бұрын

@@elisabethfotso727 Yeah, in the "Victims" Session here on wikipedia it make it clear that it was Errol the first attempt of lobotomy, Tony was the second. I guess that the netflix documentary was too brief about Errol being the first attempt.... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Dahmer

@TheIrland09

Жыл бұрын

Sorry but this idea that if someone is bad they will be bad forever is just wrong. There are plenty of people who have been in and out of prison and managed to turn their lives around.

@xeoney

Жыл бұрын

The fact that people place than on Tony, too, almost like a responsibility, is disgusting. No one is responsible for Dahmer's actions but himself, and portraying it like he was just scared of being abandoned or as if one of his victims could've "changed him" is so wrong.

@bobhill9845

Жыл бұрын

@@TheIrland09 Way to completely miss the point.

Episode six ("Silenced") is *excellent*. If you're feeling a kind of empathy for Jeffrey Dahmer as the series goes on, as a kind of tragic figure which might be true to some extent, the scene where he donates to the family's effort to find Tony will powerfully remind you of what an absolute monster he really was. I found myself saying out loud, "you know what you did, piece of shit".

@seb3661

10 ай бұрын

Most people feel sorry for his fucked up childhood. No one feels sorry for the adult dahmmer. If he were to be raised by real people and taken care of maybe he would have had a different fate.

@user-ij8je6js2b

9 ай бұрын

It was all manufactured for the show that shld piss u off it didn't happen imagine being a parent of a victim and the show shows a loving relationship between ur son and his killer that never happened

@Lilgip234

8 ай бұрын

@@user-ij8je6js2bd Ahmet did try to seduce these men so you seeing love is wrong there was no love just lust besides I feel bad for kid danger maybe if his dad took more time to understand or maybe if we had better understanding of mental health none of this monsters actions would’ve happened

@buteocks4020

8 ай бұрын

It was made for the blacks

@IHMyself

6 ай бұрын

Yup

I understand your first point well, but this series is literally called "Dahmer". It is SUPPOSED to center around him, obviously. This series is not where you should be getting exposure and information about the victims, it is about Jeffrey Dahmer. So you can't put unnecessary perspectives of characters who are not central into the series. It adapts a whole different sense. Not to mention it would probably make the series 100 hours long. It simply doesn't work that way. Zodiac doesn't exactly focus on victims either. You can't expect that from a series like Dahmer, that is however why you watch documentaries.

Okay what’s going on with the “The Last of Us” music (The Path, btw) in the background? 11:45

this show made people go from "omg it's dahmer 😨😭" to "omg it's dahmer 😍🥴"

@darkvioletskull

Жыл бұрын

The actor being Evan peters who they find attractive doesn’t help either

@user-zx2et9lf8y

Жыл бұрын

​@@darkvioletskull people tend to emphasize more with those who are better looking Could be one reason or maybe the most obvious one. Hate these people

@dlilwon

Жыл бұрын

@@darkvioletskull the real Dahmer was handsome 🤷🏽‍♀️

@karanaher-wn4kk

Жыл бұрын

​@@dlilwon many serial killers were handsome, however the show shouldn't have emphasized it so much. Usually a show like this should emphasize the ugliness of the charector's actions.

@Sam-dk3qn

Жыл бұрын

@@darkvioletskull the real Dahmer was cute

when he said roughly “this story does best not when using the victims to to tell dahmer’s story but when using dahmer to tell the victims story” that totally summed up how i felt about it. i felt the same way about tony too, when i caught myself beginning to love tony i felt so heartbroken when i remembered where this was going… tony’s storyline definitely made me cry and i continued to tear up when the victims’ stories were being told

@annasies

Жыл бұрын

EXACTLY

@iknowexactlywhoyouare8701

Жыл бұрын

i think the youtube's part where movie reviewers can't stop talking about the Dahmer series and every day, there's several videos about the series and analyzing it and reviewing it are also part of the problem. People are becoming way too obsessed with the series that they can't stop talking about it and making videos on it like this one. They are contributing to the problem and its absolute hypocrisy. The world will be a much better place once the show stops trending and people stop talking about it and making videos on it.

@just_.b.

Жыл бұрын

@@iknowexactlywhoyouare8701 people keep talking about it because we dont want to see it happen again. if people kick up enough fuss maybe next time a producer will think twice before creating an unnecessarily warped recreation of a real and unbelievable tragedy. it would be terrible if other producers decided to follow suit of this series and make super dramatized versions of other awful cases where the families involved are still around and being affected to this day.

@iknowexactlywhoyouare8701

Жыл бұрын

@@just_.b. either way, they’re still contributing to the trauma by talking about it over and over again even if they meant it with good intentions

@RileyWritey

Жыл бұрын

@@just_.b. That's not how business works, sadly. These producers have profited from the show precisely because these reviews and such won't shut up about it. It's free publicity. If anything this will encourage another show or season to be made.

That being said, do you guys have any recommendation of books, movies or shows that treat this subject well? Something that's focused on the victims and not the killer?

Is there a tracklist for this video?

this is also like the 5th show/movie made about dahmer. if people actually cared about the victims there would be only 1 victim-centered documentary with little/no dramatization. but money comes before morals i guess.

@brianmeen2158

Жыл бұрын

Guys, we do care about the victims but let’s face the truth - the victims are not near interesting enough to warrant an entire show based on their life. They tried to do this with Ted Bundy and showcase his victims but it was not that good.

@neoqwerty

Жыл бұрын

@@brianmeen2158 That's the sick sh!t about this: why do you WANT to hear about a serial killer's life? What kind of misery porn are the people tuning in to watch that sort of show GOING FOR, again? I watch documentaries: dry facts, interviews with the people who worked on the case, victim profiles, how they got lured. None of these hard truths need to make sickos be glorified and mythologized and sympathetic. They're monsters and that's it. There is no value to the scum of the earth except maybe as vague plot inspiration for horror movies or games-- where their identity is all sanded out and they're never given the adulation and glory they wanted.

@NoName-si3ll

Жыл бұрын

@@brianmeen2158 what’s your point exactly

@TwoBs

Жыл бұрын

@@brianmeen2158 “guys, we do care, BUT …” It’s that “but” that screams otherwise. Reread your comment and see where your train of thought is all jacked. “Oh I care, BUT …” as if it’s the victims fault somehow. So … create yet _another_ movie and yet _another_ show about a guy who honestly doesn’t deserve the spotlight more than those he victimized solely because their life was “boring”? That’s fucked up and feeds right into this shit as it justifies the continuation of victimizing the victims again and again for “but muh entertainment tho” as if it’s some Saturday night chill flick to pop on and soak up as if it’s no biggie. That’s the real issue here. These are real victims with real families. These are real deaths … not some entertainment quick fix.

@oofoofers

Жыл бұрын

Capitalism at it's finest

It's weird that they said they wanted to respect the victims but ignore the families when they said not to make it and didn't consent to it. Like, what a lie. They just want money at this point. They don't care about the victims or the families.

@thedarkerknight2188

Жыл бұрын

people are fascinated about serial killers. they make shows about world war one and two and that was waaay more horrific, but theres value in making them. welcome to capitalism.

@Annabellethedoll666

Жыл бұрын

Which is exactly why they picked a handsome actor to play as Jeffrey. They knew people would fall in love and make them millions

@dlilwon

Жыл бұрын

@@Annabellethedoll666 well tbh Ryan Murphy does use Evan Peters in a lot of his productions. Helloooo? AHS?

@Annabellethedoll666

Жыл бұрын

@@dlilwon no shit Sherlock....... Like I said, he knew that getting Evan Peters to play it people would fall in love. Why else do you think people fell in love with sociopath tate langdon?

@Lilgip234

8 ай бұрын

@@Annabellethedoll666or Ted bundy we really forget how a nice looking guy could do monstrous things but still be loved

Is it Silent Hill's OST in the background ?

You can say "Fuck this show" all you want, but here are some facts: - This Video exists - This Video is monetized and has adds - This Video is using the hashtags to be shown to people watching the show - This Video uses a clickbaity Thumbnail. This Video exists solely to profit of the popularity of the show. It could be a general thinkpiece on the topic, but that wouldnt attract nearly as much views.

@fanrosefabrose9457

7 ай бұрын

This is such a dumb straw man

@motivatedguy3699

11 күн бұрын

Welcome to reality

@funkunko

11 күн бұрын

this is such a stupid comment. he’s making a criticism of the show.. we cant do that anymore?

You know how they started introducing the fans that wrote to him in prison? Those are the people this show is for.

@strictnine5684

Жыл бұрын

Not at all. He was deplorable, knowing he is and was and being thankful that he got what was coming to him in prison is why the show was at all satisfying to most.

@shiesterjr

Жыл бұрын

* Most popular show on incredibly large platform with an insanely diverse userbase * Bro this is for those few weird girls who wrote to ted bundy

@coolcat6303

Жыл бұрын

Just because there are a few ppl, out there, who idolize a serial killer doesn’t mean the tv series is bad. It just means those ppl are weird. They are also in the minority. 99% of the ppl, that watch this show, are intelligent and will be as just as repulsed as anyone else by Dahmer’s actions. Society also can’t function if we constantly worry about some weak minded person getting the wrong idea from it. There will always be bad apples.

@DerrickVanderspoon

Жыл бұрын

I’ll never understand people like you who take it on as like some bizarre personal mission to fight against true crime media and make people who consume it feel bad for doing so. Like bruh💀😂 You’ve got no moral duty or right to try to make them “see the truth” or something. Holier than thou type mf lol

@harmonycstalker

Жыл бұрын

@@coolcat6303 The problem is the show trying to make you sympathize for the killer, also romanticizing everything. There's always going to be gullible/stupid teenagers, but that's only because the show is at fault.

Genuinely, I feel like, if a killer was recent enough that their victims and their loved ones are still alive, you should not fictionalize the events, it's gross pure and simple. This is a big problem I have with Ryan Murphy, he did it with the Nightstalker, all it does is glorify these people and spit in the faces of the ones they hurt. If they want to make fake events and humanize the killer then make up a fake killer, period, there is no saving grace, this is exploitation. They can't even pretend it's for awareness or art, Dahmer is one of the most well known criminals of all time because the media still glorifies him, the events are fictionalized and there is no message to be had, no one needs to understand Dahmer that isn't training in profiling or psychology and again, these events are fake so all this did was re-traumatize these people and make Dahmer a fetishized idol for twisted people again.

@thegirlwhoanimates9814

Жыл бұрын

Oh I hated the Nightstalker storyline so much. He was used as a B plot to prop up his boring protagonist while real victims of his did unfortuntely were murdered.

@whoknowswhocares885

Жыл бұрын

I will defend the show in that nothing they showed made Dahmer understandable. It’s common sense not to understand anything he did and be horrified and disgusted for killing those people. What exactly did they do in the show to make him understandable?

@iknowexactlywhoyouare8701

Жыл бұрын

i think the youtube's part where movie reviewers can't stop talking about the Dahmer series and every day, there's several videos about the series and analyzing it and reviewing it are also part of the problem. People are becoming way too obsessed with the series that they can't stop talking about it and making videos on it like this one. They are contributing to the problem and its absolute hypocrisy. The world will be a much better place once the show stops trending and people stop talking about it and making videos on it.

@mismismism

Жыл бұрын

@@whoknowswhocares885 Making the show centered around him, showing a backstory, basically creating a narrative like "This is what created the monster", also the whole thing I saw in this video(did not watch the series because I think it's exploitation) acting like he had this relationship and might rehabilitate because of one of his victims. All of this stuff is fiction, that was a real person, the victims were real but they're making up this backstory and, whether intended or not, it serves to humanize someone that should just be left to fade from the collective memory but no, we keep getting stuff like this that is nothing but disrespectful to the victims and their loved ones so they can cash in on a real tragedy and turn it into fiction for entertainment. There is no defense, nothing positive came from this and nothing positive will come from any other Dahmer shows at this point.

@whoknowswhocares885

Жыл бұрын

@@mismismism You didn’t watch the show and yet made an opinion without any context? Your taking this at face value? They showed his upbringing and the circumstances which set up his beginning to be a murderer, they never made anyone understand him or what he did. The only explanation that can be concluded was that he wanted to kill because he figured no one would care. Nothing he did was responsible and no one except people as crazy as him can find that understandable because most people are born with common sense. I would say this show cared more about presenting the trauma he left on the families of his victims more then other past documentaries about Dahmer. That is something many of the shows and movies failed to do, make people understand others suffered because they lost loved ones at his hands. I get the families disapproval of this show, but depiction of the trauma left by a serial killer is necessary, it shows he made others suffer and he shouldn’t be worshipped for it. The ones who are, are in a minority that the public does their best to suppress because it’s common sense not to feed crazy people more influence to be more crazy. This show made you see that regardless of the innocent people he came upon there was nothing that made reason for him to kill them aside from his sick obsession. It wasn’t just murders of random people. But people with lives personality and families. Even if that love story is fictional and they do humanize him, it isn’t to wipe him clean of murdering people with the hope that he could rehabilitate, it’s to show that Dahmer although horrible was human and he blended in as human. It was to horrify the audience because it showed how much of a monster he was, he could bring innocent people at ease and all he wanted in the end was to kill and disregard everything else about them.

If Ryan says the series won’t and shouldn’t be told in Damsels perspective, why is his portrayals face plastered everywhere and his name in the titles? I don’t get it.

There's an amazing anime that I feel shows/movies like this could learn from, paranoia agent, and while paranoia agent is different in the way that it's episodic telling of people who would become attack victims own interpersonal drama and the horror of their own lives. I feel as though each episode focusing on a victim of their shared assailant would be a lot more effective in driving the point that THEY are who we should remember, not the criminal with a catchy nickname.