I know a lot of people think the votann don’t fit in this setting, but I really like factions that aren’t fully batshit like the imperium, as it shows just how awful the imperium is by comparison- they are also a unique faction that actually act like Vikings in space(unlike a certain space marine chapter)

@TheBoneZone40k

Жыл бұрын

I resonate with this idea yeah! I think that the community around them is correct, that it's not exactly grimdark, but the way their society is formatted is like pre-grimdark meaning it's about to get bad fast and yes, I too resent the Space Wolves

@monferno1

Жыл бұрын

Idk they just don’t have enough lore yet for me to make a decision, it is interesting though

@TheBoneZone40k

Жыл бұрын

you are so valid for that They are the least fleshed out faction in a universe who's known for having heavily defined factions so it's a common opinion

@haldor1803

Жыл бұрын

I mean It's pretty much the tau Treatment when they released

@Nostroman_Praetor

Жыл бұрын

People are saying that? They're like the 80s high Sci-fi that 40k is missing wrapped up in funny dwarf people. Side note: I miss the tank train...

Don't forget that the Kin treat the Iron-Kin as full citizens. They're treated as full equals which is just so wholesome, especially for this setting.

I love how they see the tyranids as a mighty predator no to be underestimated calling back to the original squats

@jonahbrenner5597

Жыл бұрын

Also I hope they games workshop takes a little from warhammer fantasy with dwarf grudges and slayers

@TheBoneZone40k

Жыл бұрын

yeyeye but they also hunt down lesser hive fleets to steal their resources! Which I think is cool

@wedoalittleeco-trolling9126

Жыл бұрын

@@jonahbrenner5597 yes they actually have that

The Leagues of Votann are the epitome of Gaslight, Gatekeep, Girlboss when dealing with the Imperium

@misterliligant5772

Жыл бұрын

Honestly can't blame them with the shit the imperium does.

@patchythepirate-je4fe

Жыл бұрын

In necromunda the squats are in an on off relationship with imperials they are paid and praised for a while for leading expeditions to rebuild the hive or retrieve tech then a generation of humans passes and the new nobles hate them for being abhuman scum lmao.

@joriankell1983

Жыл бұрын

Girlboss?

@wellsb973

11 ай бұрын

Perfect fan insert faction

@whatisupmyfellowamericans8808

10 ай бұрын

Well no, but actually yes?

I honestly like the idea that they are actual xenos and they told the imperium they are ab-humans to trade with them. It would play into them constantly lying to protect themselves and their tech

@SkeleGem

Жыл бұрын

They try to be on decent terms with everyone and therefore also have to lie to everyone about just how good they actually are, I just love that

@guardsmangaming3775

Жыл бұрын

The squats 2.0 are humans that dug too deep into genetic engineering so much that they became something else entirely.

@bad-people6510

7 ай бұрын

I actually think that's a terrible idea. The Imperium's xenophobia tends to be a *little* overplayed. They tolerate and even associate with xenos that they find non-threatening. But if they find you qualify as human... well welcome to the Imperium Imperial subject, your ass is property of the Emperor now. No human is allowed to NOT be part of the Imperium as far as they're concerned.

@cousin_okri

7 ай бұрын

@bad-people6510 the kyn are still abhuman though, at least as far as i know. Admittedly I think they should be full fledged xenos, GW just has danced around the topic in the little lore they've put out. This could be a way the retcon it

@simtexa

2 сағат бұрын

I'm pretty sure LoV actually consider themselves the "real" humans, as they are in some sense the continuation of humanity during the Age of Tech, and thus the true descendants of that society.

Ahem. Gentlemen... *_ROCK & STONE!!!_*

@C-J581

4 ай бұрын

TO THE BONE!

@WarioTime420

Ай бұрын

DID I HEAR A ROCK AND STONE!?

I like how some people are calling them not “grimmdark” and “don’t fit into 40k” all because they’re not suffering from immediate space aids or constantly killing each or some other stupid shit like that.

@Va11idus

Жыл бұрын

Are you suggesting they are grimdark?

@hazardbastard9422

Жыл бұрын

@@Va11idus There not goody two shoes. But they dont turn people into mindless cybernetic drones for thinking too much.

@tfan2222

Жыл бұрын

@@Va11idus There’s grimdark and there’s grimderp. Even so, I’ve held this opinion even with the Tau for a long while: grimdark isn’t effective if there’s no noblebright shining through. With no light in the darkness, you can’t really see just how bad it all is.

@user-rs9bc4qr2s

Жыл бұрын

@@tfan2222 exactly, their needs to be some good guys. At least some individuals.

@darthlazurus4382

Жыл бұрын

I mean, they could easily go Grimdark. How do you think they'd react tae someone learning at least one of their secrets?

I am a huge fan of Deep Rock Galactic and they would be my first faction to get. If you enjoy talking about their lore please. I'll watch it all day and show it around the discord. If you've never played it, you are missing out as a Space Dwarf lover friend.

@TheBoneZone40k

Жыл бұрын

ooooh trust me, I play Deep Rock with the boys now and then

@26th_Primarch

Жыл бұрын

ROCK AND STONE!

@ghostplays2766

Жыл бұрын

FOR KARL!

@ZombieJeff

9 ай бұрын

When you rock and stone, you're never alone!

@davidjb20010

9 ай бұрын

ROCK AND ROLL AND STONE!!!

Could you imagine the hight difference between a Kin and a space marine. Also I love how advanced there armor looks.

@cxptainfordo275

Жыл бұрын

Space marine just soccer kicks them across the battlefield 🤣🤣🤣

@user-rs9bc4qr2s

Жыл бұрын

@@cxptainfordo275 *gets foot obliterated by DaoT hammer* *little man teleports away yelling obscenities*

@simtexa

2 сағат бұрын

@@cxptainfordo275 The funny part is that given how hardy they are, that would probably not kill them either

I really like these "good guy" factions because if done properly you can slowly and gradually build up the lore to show how they slowly became worse in a galaxy full of horrors imperium in 40K is a worse off version of the imperium in 30K which is in turn a worse version of humanity before the age of strife. and even though things like the horus heresy are being written retroactively I think it would be cooler to see these factions go through their life cycle in real time either that or games workshop just blows it up on their face

@lucidlullaby894

Жыл бұрын

It’s fun watching Commander Farsight, one of the few people in the setting with a working brain and morales, slowly struggle with khornate corruption

@ENCHANTMEN_

Жыл бұрын

The Tau sorta are. They were never "good" to begin with, but their recent lore has them becoming less principled and more xenophobic

I started with Rogue Trader in the 80s playing Squats. When they dropped them I was done with 40K as they were always my favorite faction. I don't think I'll get back into playing but it's nice to see folks interested in them again. I always played dwarves in about any game I played. I was crushed when they just disappeared from one of my favorite games. I was like 14. It didn't hurt that my uncle was a biker and I always wanted to be one so the fusion was perfect for me. I'm too old to want to start back up that was 36 years ago. Back of the game shop in the bottom of the mall. Free refills at the Burger King. Pizza by the slice (not something common in Indiana) from the food court. One of my golden memories.

I'm like a Tyranid for lore... I must consume ALLL!!! Thank you for what you do, grats on the channel growth!

Not all is lost, however. The Votann of the Kronus Hegemony is quite young in relation to the others. The Votann of the Hegemony is actually their Fane that became so advanced that it gained the capacity to become a Votann, so it's proven - at least by fluke - that new Votann can be made. The big tradeoff, however, is that young Ancestor Cores lack the information of the older ones. This is why the Kronus Hegemony is so aggressive even towards other Kin, because they are bound and determined to fill their Votann's memory banks. On the topic of Kin procreation: as far as I know, the Kin _can_ procreate naturally, but generally choose not to due to the cloneskeins being a more predictable method of mixing and matching genes than bumping uglies. Kindreds that have lost their Ancestor Core may resort to doing things the old fashioned way if they can't join up with another Kindred in a reasonable amount of time.

@OHGAS-rt5uc

Жыл бұрын

"Hey, other voltann, make us a copy of your drive" "Beep boop, done" "Yay"

@user-rs9bc4qr2s

Жыл бұрын

Which is that tiny piece of lore that says “don’t worry they won’t eventually die out naturally” as they can very slowly maintain themselves. The kin can build and operate their tech, so eventually new Votann will be able to do it as effectively as the old ones. Just unlucky it seems to be a 10000 year process of trial and error.

@OHGAS-rt5uc

Жыл бұрын

@@user-rs9bc4qr2s tbh i'm thinking why the votann doesn't make other STCs and deposit half their info into the new ones, thus freeing some space while also maintaining the STcs efficiency?

@user-rs9bc4qr2s

Жыл бұрын

@@OHGAS-rt5uc Maybe they don’t have typical data banks for storage and can’t actually delete or move data. Considering they’ve been uploading their dead’s knowledge into them for 10000 years, they probably assumed it was infinite and never sore the need to prepare new ones. They’re only now just starting too.

@OHGAS-rt5uc

Жыл бұрын

@@user-rs9bc4qr2s but at the same time i makes me wonder, can't they ask the machines to expand their data storage,hard drive,processors,etc?

Rock and stone

@TheBoneZone40k

Жыл бұрын

The fact I was playing Deep Rock a lot when they were announced may have had an influence on my desire to start collecting

@matthewbraun9885

2 ай бұрын

Rock and stone

On the note of their reproduction I'm like 90% sure the kin can still reproduce normally because the squats on Necromunda have to since they're effectively stranded. The reason they don't is mainly because it's horribly inefficient compared to just cloning, it takes a female kin out of commission for like about a year, said baby kin will take years to grow up into a functional citizen, and said kin won't have any niche to fill nor specific enhancements to make them better at it and in effect render them a literal useless bum. I'm not sure if it's official canon but I have heard of things called fleshkin which are said natural-born kin and they're like the only thing looked down upon in society since they're "born without purpose."

I just discovered this faction’s existence yesterday, and as a Dwarf lover can only agree that these guys rule. Looking forward to more videos on them!

ROCK AND STONE!

If they were discovered during the great crusade I could see the Emperor trying for a genuine alliance with them, since he knows what they are. The ancestor cores and men of iron might be a sore spot, but I think he'd make special exceptions just like he did for the mechanicum. That technology is too good to pass up

@miles2378

7 ай бұрын

Horuse would just mess it up to bribe the Future Dark mechanicus.

@hazbin2034

7 ай бұрын

@@miles2378 I don't think the emperor would delegate an alliance like this to a primarch. He would most likely keep the votann hidden until absolutely necessary. And seeing how they only recently started appearing in the galaxy it wouldn't be hard. Plus even if the mechanicum got uppity about it the emperor did have a contingency plan to subjugate them.

You had me at "plasma swords and power armor comparable to terminators."

This is my favourite video uploaded by you so far. You're talking about something I never knew about.

To my knowledge they were always clones. During the golden age of mankind, they were what are known as the men of stone. Genetically engineered humans made to pioneer (being rather self sufficient) and exploit the mineral riches of wherever they were sent off to. Hence why they have (albeit rather ancient and barely usable) STC's as did every other group of colonists/pioneers during those times. It also explains why they have such advanced technology, including the Iron Kin.

I got into this hobby in 1990, just as the Squats were being properly phased out. So I was chuffed when they made their comeback, and even though I don't intend on starting a Votann League of my own, I still had to get the combat patrol just to celebrate their return. And this morning is the day I finally painted the last member of that box set, so I enjoyed this video. Cheers!😸

The Leagues are what finally got me to bite the bullet and get into 40k proper. I adore how much of their aesthetic and lore really does boil down to "man living in space is frickin' hard", they feel more sci-fi then a lot of the other factions IMO

The lore is pretty cool. Some people think they're too 'good guy' for the setting, but keep in mind that the Tau started that way too. Between the thinly veiled Men of Iron, senile AI cores, conflict with the Mechanicus, and entirely clone-based society, I think the Votann are set up perfectly to have some very grimdark character development as a faction. The only thing I'm not entirely sold on is the aesthetics. The art seems to depict them with completely normal human proportions (they aren't even very short), and their equipment has an almost completely generic sci-fi look to it, save for the occasional half-hearted dwarfy design thrown in here and there. Dwarfs in Warhammer fantasy are extremely distinctive and have a very strong visual identity - to the point where AoS dwarfs actually look more like space dwarves than the Votann.

@SCHMALLZZZ

Жыл бұрын

The LoV are more LotR than Waryammer Fantasy, which it just a poor executed plagiarism of LotR in the first place.

@user-rs9bc4qr2s

Жыл бұрын

Well real dwarf proportions wouldn’t be effective. These guys are just compact bulky boys. Bunch of 5ft islander weightlifters

@visitingforgefather5997

Жыл бұрын

Honestly they are no more 'good guy' then the Craftworld Eldar are. They are willing to talk and trade with you if the benefit is in THEIR favor, if they determine you are a problem (or problem later down the line)and the manpower and resources expended in dealing with you outweigh later benefits they will do so without hesitation. They seem more like the cold impersonal 'corporate' kind of evil if that makes sense. Less the zealous 'BURN IN RIGHTOUS FIRE.' evil and more the 'You're nothing but a problem to be removed' evil. (God forbid when they got a Grudge with you though, THEN it is personal and they will extend whatever resources, manpower and do whatever it takes to get you..)

@zipperdan3969

7 ай бұрын

I agree with the first half but the second half just sounds like personal opinions

@zipperdan3969

7 ай бұрын

​@SCHMALLZZZ how exactly?? They're closer to the grineer than warframr

As a fellow dwarf connoisseur, I too bought the Votann on day one and intended too as soon as that trailer dropped.

All that matters is Dwarves in space. ROCK AND STONE BROTHERS!!!!

In the span of few months you and "live! from the black library" have become of my lore channels. keep up the good work. (And you're right, night lords are the best legion and its not even close)

Dwarves are awesome. i have always loved them, blame Tolkien for that. thanks for the awesome vid, im not as excited about the votan as you are but i am highly interested and want to get my hands on a box or two. as for your rambling, its fun. keep up the awesome content!

Thanks for the awesome vid ! Pleeeease do some more about them when there is enough material for it ❤️

I love the Votann. And, if the Mechanicum ever tried to wage war with the Votann, the Votann would just toss a planet or a star at Mars...

They were a clone race from the beginning-corresponding to the men of stone in ancient imperial lore. Guilds are separate from leagues and kinhosts, similar to klans with the orks. The Votann were more than STC’s. The problem now is their CPU usage is maxed out and the kin don’t know how to reboot to free up RAM, much less format and partition. The imperium thought the squats were all destroyed by the Tyrannids because they had no idea how vast the Leagues’ holdings actually were. One League was destroyed, and they thought that was all of them. The Cicatrix Maledictum is forcing the kin to be less insular and secretive now, so… Now they’re back. Lore wise, it makes perfect sense.

I would love to see the interaction between an Iron Hands and their bitterness when they meet the LoV.

Bro just said the inverse of pugs. I'm dying right now. Amazing video and I'm glad I found you on suggestions.

A few days ago I got randomly recommended your video on space marine helmets of all things, and I'm starting to binge your videos. Immediately, you became one of my favorite smaller 40k lore channels! Even if you picked one of the WORST space marine chapters as one of your 3, but the other 2 are tight as hell so I can't whine too much, and even if the Minotaurs are enormous pricks their Vibe is pretty dope.

Funny as hell! Great job!

Rock and Stone

Yo Arthur did u see the theory that the Leagues are actually the Men of Stone? I really like that one cause it follows up on the vague ancient tales of ye Olde 40k backstory and give them a good better connection to why they have (suspiciously non-murderous) literal Men of Iron hanging out with them. Thoughts?

An imperium inspector, when they visite the space dwarfs: My My. You certainly have a lot of continently shaped lamps around here.

I AM A DWARF AND I'M DIGGING A HOLE, DIGGY DIGGY HOLE, DIGGING A HOLE

I do like these guys. I think it's a good expansion to the lore. I would like to see some more stunties that live more like the dwarves but quite frankly I was hoping that eventually we would find a full fleshed out Space Dwarves faction who would actually fight the imperium but then come to a strange ceasefire with them even though they are Xenos. Perhaps some of the Astartes chapters like the Luna Wolves, Blood Angels, maybe the Ultramarines would be against them but other chapters would be working with them

@Dingus_Khaan

Жыл бұрын

You mean the Space Wolves? The Luna Wolves are now the Black Legion.

@Va11idus

Жыл бұрын

This is how out of touch I assume the average space dwarves fan to be: Thinking the Luna Wolves are a current space marine chapter.

@beowylfen

Жыл бұрын

​@@Va11idusyeah just keep drinking that Imperium propaganda and forget about the best chapter

@SCHMALLZZZ

Жыл бұрын

​@@beowylfen Luna Wolves are still a legion dood

@NJKenn

11 ай бұрын

⁠@@SCHMALLZZZ They absolutely 100% are not. Even if you ignore they became the Sons of Horus the legion died on Maeleum when the 3rd completely wrecked them and stole Horus’s body. The black legion see themselves as entirely separate from the SoH something completely new especially since they comprise of marines from all the original traitor legions and even loyalist ones. The closest you’d get is the warband the True Sons and to say they are Luna Wolves is a huge stretch. As of right now in 30k the last Luna Wolf is Garviel Logan and he is most certainly dead in 40k.

anyone else like the idea of them speaking Khazalid (dwarf language in fantasy)? I just have this image in my head of a kyn stepping on the chest of a downed Drukhari, pointing a bolter at him and proclaiming ''ELGI WAZZOK'' blasting him point plank.

This guy is gonna be the next huge Warhammer KZreadr

A lot of 40k Doomers are calling the LoV not Grimdark enough but if you think about it, they could just be leading up to the Grimdark stuff. The Leagues of Votann represents Hope, and nothing is more Grimdark than seeing a small glimmer of hope before it is ripped away and stomped out by the evils of the Galaxy.

"Sucks to suck i guess i love my lil stunties" Now, for the thirstiest "Yeaaahaha!" You'll ever hear.

4:22 Thank you so much for this One!

I really want to get REALLY into 40k with the Votann, they seem so tuckin cool

I really hope that they get a cool walker/mech unit, I think that'd be nifty as hell

Rock and stone!

Im glad they brought back Squats. I had a few dozen back in the late Rogue Trader days.

I love the idea of the chill men of iron just hanging out with the vottan

I had a huge Epic-scale Squat army back in the 90s, so I am thrilled to see dwarves again. That said, I kind of miss the weird old 'dwarf biker' aesthetic...

Your bit towards the end about the nids characters reminded me that the nids technically have more named characters on tabletop than the mechanicus do, if you count the swarmlord as on. Also, love your content, don't stop anytime soon please.

@TheBoneZone40k

Жыл бұрын

yeah, I remembered a bit more recently too? I think if you count slightly older models, you have the Swarmlord, Deathleaper, old one eye, the Parasite of mortrex, and the Red Terror. Just to kinda name the ones that have had models

@leaflovingal1011

Жыл бұрын

@@TheBoneZone40k jeez, and we only got cawl on tabletop. Did the nids eat the other ad mech characters wtf?

@TheBoneZone40k

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's just that the mechanicum are such a niche faction that making characters is a bit tough me thinks.

Cant wait for you to get more to learn about them so you can share it

Good job! 👍🏻

Like the Votann, I too would be very weirded out by the Mechanicum

That's going in the book

A Raptor enjoyer I see. I inmediately subscribe

Wait wait wait, you're telling me that out in the galactic core, there's a planet plucked clean of life with a fully intact STC, up for grabs, with no one around to guard it? And this thing used to make all the wacky weapons like Buildings with Tank Treads, Mining Conga line trains and Zeppelins!? And even though its "mad" it hasn't received/succumbed to senility because theres been no new input? Whelp, I'm going to be making a fraction of all Ironkin heavily targeted on countering hive fleet leviathan and orks.

I would love squat lore

I know the squats are still a thing on like, hive worlds(necromunda even has them playable now), and the imperial guard(although VERY SMALL NUMBERS, like less than the cat people)...it's cool that The Votaan recognize The Squats and just see them as "Imperium aligned Votaan". I like that htey didn't just delete the squats because THAT MEANS...we can get some of their old toys back with the votaan. I love the battle bus, i fucking ADORE the battle bus....but i want that goddamn train..you know the one. (also i've been a greenskins fan since i was a kid, like the late 2000's because of Warhammer Online, but not even THE ORKS, AND ALL THEY'RE RECENT UPDATES...tempted me to actually by from GW....but the Votaan did....ohhhh and they were so close too if i had the money i WAS going to have a box of them even if still to this day i don't actually have anything to play the game physically...they were just that cool)

Bro I think they're my new favorite race

Looking forward to new votann lore and models

I love the lores

This was great. Do worldeaters.

Rock and Stone!

rock and stone!

Another tankard for my fellow dwarf lover

Leagues of Votann makes me so happy

I'm a Gimli man to the end dwarves rule

We don't agree on the Thousand Sons, but that is nothing. I, too, love the Leagues most of all and this is (baring the future) my favorite video on them. Thank you for making it. Oh, and I love your other videos too.

Love ur content dude keep it up Quick off 40k topic question What do u eddit ur vids on?

Great video, though I think you got some minor stuff wrong, like the xenos classification, it's a bit more complex than that. I also don't recall the Votann themselves being STCs (though they have a lot of those), it's just a really advanced computer.

Okay, them japing the Mechanicum is really, really funny. X)

@TheBoneZone40k

Жыл бұрын

It is so freaking funny, holy moly

THE ANCESTORS ARE WATCHING!

This is why i like to headcanon deep rock galactic being in the 40k universe

Don't forget the Demiburg, from BFG, reported to be the squat replacement.

Do you think the replacement of firstborn marines opened up a stat line for this as a new faction, I haven’t looked into them but they’re probably 3+ armour right and tougher than guardsmen

Headcanon/Fun idea for future plot development: The Votann should be able to survive for billions of years, but the pressures and stresses of survival in the galactic core have taken a major toll. The high gravity and other stellar effects prematurely "ages" the machines. The Leagues could be strong and mighty and launch an Empire that lasts a billion years - but they must first leave the galactic core and invade the galaxy at large.

Perterabo needs to mature out of 13 year old edgelord chaos, go plug himself into a series of defunct insane stc's, and go full AM from "I have no mouth." Give us proper chaos dwarves.

only a year old and already dying, bless their little cotton socks. deffo gonna give themselves to chaos.

ROCK AND STONE

I think as their tech begins to break down, it would be interesting if they revealed their tech to the mechanicum out of desperation, in hopes of the mechanicum helping them repair or rebuild the votann or something.

Love the leagues

MORE VOTANN AND SQUAT LORE VIDS THANKS BRO LOVE THE VIDS

@TheBoneZone40k

Жыл бұрын

OK

I woud love squat lore

I love the leagues of voting if I was richer I would get into 40k and main leagues

get me those land trains

tyranids are more expansive than you think. So much happens with them, especially the different tendrils that invade the galaxy

@TheBoneZone40k

Жыл бұрын

oh trust me, I know I have an unhealthy obsession with Hive fleet Kronos

@michaelhall4222

Жыл бұрын

@@TheBoneZone40k awesome. Kraken and behemoth are the main ones i played around 20 years ago. got rid of my army along time ago. :(

I WANT ALL THE LORE ABOUT THEM

Imperium: *sends request for tithe* Votann: *returns marked **_deceased_*

Rock ans stone!

if you don't mind me asking, which league are you painting and/or planning on painting?

@TheBoneZone40k

Жыл бұрын

I am actually doing my own custom league! (I am likely going to run them mostly with Ymir Conglomerate rules) most of them are painted, and I have a little booklet to write down their lore in. I call them the Ratataskor Mining Corporation. they are mostly Deep grey armour plating with white cloth, unless they have exo-armour then it's a navy blue highlighted with a neon blue.

Would be nice to see Votann Jump Packs.

@TheBoneZone40k

Жыл бұрын

The theories are out there, there is a good chance they will be a thing in 10th edition!

Me walking in having already read the *entire* wiki the second they we're announced.

Wait why don't people like the leagues of votann I love the addition and it also gives us insight into the peak of tech. It also explains the center of the galaxy and what goes bump in the black holes

I think that its smart to shroud them in mystery. During the years of expedition no one knew what was happening on the other continents. i feel it's the same for this faction and this timeline in the 40k universe.

I realize this is an old video at this point, and I'm probably alone in this, but I'm here for squat lore if you ever want to do that lol

@TheBoneZone40k

Жыл бұрын

unfortunately, there is no more lore updates to give, I have been meaning to read the Leviathan special edition rule book entry for them tho

Please do the Squats! People need to learn about the land trains!

Nice.

As a 5'4 guy the squats speak to me.