I disagree with the father seeing the greatness in him. To me it felt like he was witnessing his son going insane, as the outsider he knows Fletcher is abusive towards his students, but he doesn't know what his son is willing to do for the approval of Fletcher at this very moment. He's just speechless in horror.

@chasel6-07

4 жыл бұрын

Joe jellyfish I feel like it shows the dad realizing that Neiman will end up as the man they talked about in the kitchen scene. He realizes that Neiman will become addicted and never return. He realizes that it is past the point of return.

@vloggetts

4 жыл бұрын

Same, I feel like the relationship between Andrew and his father really represents Andrew emerging from the security and unconditional love of childhood into the uncertainty and hardship of adulthood. After he leaves the conservatory, his father does everything he can to reassure and support him, hoping to guide him to a long and happy life. The final scene is his realisation that a happy but average life will never be enough for Andrew and there is nothing he can do now to stop him from going down the self-destructive path that leads to greatness.

@alexmesherina

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah... this is also what’s implied in the screenplay. so you’re definitely right.

@madridistasejati5358

3 жыл бұрын

His father have the look of horror when he sees his son performance. As his son transcended into madness and play like a machine of perfection.

@mairead9714

3 жыл бұрын

Yes I think it's both he's more horrified but also amazed by him

As Joe Jellyfish has said, I feel like Andrew’s dad wasn’t seeing the “greatness” in Andrew but instead was seeing that his son had lost control. Obsessed with drumming and just couldn’t stop

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I'm leaning towards this idea myself now. Just goes to show how many way you can read things and your views can change over multiple viewings.

@bro26mohw

3 жыл бұрын

@@_MUSTSEEFILMS_ the sign of a good movie is that there’s no definite interpretation

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

3 жыл бұрын

@@bro26mohw Exactly, Both my videos on inception and The Fountain recovering the different ways you can look at the films but leaving it open to the viewer.

@kellan9616

2 жыл бұрын

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@tpsposts6825

2 жыл бұрын

@@_MUSTSEEFILMS_ well the writer/director actually came out and said it’s his dad realizing how obsessed his son is with it (and not in the good way) so that’s really the only way to interpret it

I consider Whiplash's final scene one of the greatest things I have ever seen. It was years ago when I saw it but I remember the moment when the scene was over, and I had somehow moved to the edge of my seat!! And I'll be honest, I have never had that "edge of the seat" moment before. And I agree, I think it comes down to writing, and I feel like Whiplash reads like a really amazing book, and most of the other movies... are like magazines. There's a lot of noise and ads, and they forget the fundamental rule of telling a story with every frame, every line, every look. Ugh, I just fucking love Whiplash!! And awesome video too, always great to see your videos on my subscription feed and always thrilled to click on them!

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

6 жыл бұрын

Fangirl's Hideout thanks, I totally agree, i had the same powerful experience and it's why I held this film in such high regard, plus the more I looked at it there clearer and more obvious the craft was!

@trequor

2 жыл бұрын

Whiplash isn't my favourite movie. It probably isn't even in the top 10... but in my opinion Whiplash has the greatest climax of any movie I've ever seen. Nothing else builds and resolves in such a pure, PERFECT way.

@BenDover-vg9ep

Жыл бұрын

i remember watching the scene, i literally couldn't breathe from the awe

18 minutes?!?! Not quite my tempo.

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

6 жыл бұрын

lol

@user-ns3vs3bp3e

3 жыл бұрын

Was he rushing or dragging?

@GioisNerd

3 жыл бұрын

WERE YOU DRAGGING OR RUSHING?

@Coolcoolcoolcoolcool7

3 жыл бұрын

@@_MUSTSEEFILMS_ are you rushing or dragging ?

It manages to get you invested in music and the tension of performance even if you’ve never had the experience. That’s what a good story does. It makes you feel like you’re apart of it.

Even years later, this film holds up considerably well. It's now my favorite of the decade so far

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

5 жыл бұрын

Agreed! I think this film will 100% last the test of time, for most of the reasons I talked about in the video that make it such a tight and exciting film and strong narrative!

Great video-welcome back to the video essay community!

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jack, Iv really missed making videos, Iv been finishing a screenplay but I'm ready to get back at it. Probably bi-monthly/monthly videos. Very excited to share this next one!

10:37 - I don't agree with you here. The father has a look that says "Oh my God, my son has kind of gone insane and is under Fletcher's thumb," not "Great job son, I never saw your potential before." The father has some pride for his son in his look, but I feel it is much more a look of horror of all his son has given up to play.

@javieremoya

3 жыл бұрын

what did andrew give up exactly? Andrew for a bit in the film, leading up to this was post-Shaffer and he had clarity after his abuse with fletcher.... he apologized to nicole, spends time with his father...invites him, and even EMBRACES him right before he goes back and shows he isn't discouraged.... I'm aware of what Andrew COULD have given up....as seen with how he acts until he gets in the car crash.... but it doesn't paint him as actually giving that stuff up at the end...as I specified in my first paragraph

@nicholasleclerc1583

3 жыл бұрын

Shush,copybot

@dua097

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I see it as his dad seeing that he lost to fletcher and that his son will end up like Sean Casey or Charlie Parker down the line

@leahdoc19

2 жыл бұрын

In the script I’m pretty sure it says the father “watches in horror”

How this movie didn't win Best Picture at the Oscars is beyond me.

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed! I still go back and watch it, and its better than most films that year and of most years!

@distinguishedflyer

4 жыл бұрын

It's my favorite of that year too, but to be fair there were a lot of great movies in 2014 - that was probably the best year for films this decade.

@comradejosephstalinoftheus8698

4 жыл бұрын

Distinguishedflyer I agree, although 2019 was quite great I still believe 2014 is much better as far as films go.

@distinguishedflyer

4 жыл бұрын

@@comradejosephstalinoftheus8698 This decade had an interesting pattern in that the even years were almost always better than the odd ones (except 2013 & 2018, where the situation was reversed). My two favorite years were 2014 & 2016, which also produced my three favorite movies of the decade.

@comradejosephstalinoftheus8698

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, Green Brook won Best Picture in 2018, that movie was a joke that will be quickly forgotten.

Watching this film when you've had your own Fletcher... Its a pretty surreal experience. Highly relateable film despite not being a jazz drummer.

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I think the relationship dynamic is something that alot of people can relate to and the drama comes from that. Its pretty terrifying at points.

@brina5064

2 жыл бұрын

I studied visual arts and design yet it's terrifying how much I could identify with Nina (Black Swan) and Andrew (Whiplash). Art takes every piece of your soul and gifts it away to others for their entertainment

The relationship between Fletcher and other students seems whole lot similar to that between an ironsmith and a sword..... Hammer a sword too hard or mix too much carbon in it and sword breaks off quite easily...... It requires a proper balance to truly make a great sword..... Fletcher as the ironsmith by some miracle managed to find that particular hunk of iron which withstood all the "punishment" and managed to turn into a great sword...... That's just how I feel....

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

3 жыл бұрын

I like this metaphor! Agreed!

@RatPfink66

Жыл бұрын

of course, his method was to hammer EVERY sword too hard. he had too many obsessions of his own to bother with balancing his technique.

@BaronVonBielski

Жыл бұрын

That’s just not what the movie is about at all. Fletcher is absolutely an abusive asshole and is the villain. He’s an abuser, manipulating and takes away the love for instruments his students had before him.

What's also interesting that I've never heard pointed out is how Andrew also seems to have mommy issues. As explained through exposition with that conversation with Fletcher before getting humiliated by him for the first time, his mom abandoned his dad and him when Andrew was a baby. Because it happened when he was a baby and there is literally no explanation as to why she left or what lead up to it and Andrew doesn't know anything about her, that gives more ammo for Fletcher to get Andrew on a personal level, what with yelling at him that his "mommy walked out on daddy probably when she found out he isn't Eugene O'Neil" and later during the Caravan rehearsals when he says "Is that really the fastest you can play? ... no wonder mommy walked out on you." It's also considering he was raised by a single father who seems to be on the more passive side; he gave up on being a writer to teach high school, apologizes frequently even when it wasn't his fault, lets people criticize (like the dinner scene) and walk all over him without saying anything in his defense and Andrew seems to respect his father less and less the more time he spends with Fletcher and maybe even believes the line that his mom walked out on them because of his father's failures in his writing career and assumed lack of a spine so he's literally sacrificing everything (from not having any friends or life outside of drumming to dumping his girlfriend) to "not be the father that mother walked out on" which he achieves cymbal-ized by his performance of Caravan and solo at the end... but at what a price? Apparently Andrew alluding to Charlie Parker and how he'd "rather be drunk and broke at 34 and have people at a dinner table talk about him than being rich and sober at 90 and nobody knowing who he was" was supposed to be foreshadowing as Chazzelle himself noted Andrew's ultimate fate isn't supposed to be a pretty one. Looks like that's where the Parker cymbalism comes into play again. Also this is key in how Andrew gets the concessions girl he finally gets the guts to ask out in the very beginning of the movie before spending much time with Fletcher. Men with mommy issues (especially considering she walked out on him and his dad) tend to automatically assume that women will hurt and/or abandon them and because that's what happened with their mother. It's interesting considering the way he breaks up with her is all based on assumptions that she'll "just hold him back" and "end up leaving him anyways" because he'd be more attentive to his drumming... and this is more of Fletcher's influence too as he uses Andrew's mother's abandonment as a tool to manipulate Andrew. She doesn't understand any of this (though it was hinted at as a subtle red flag during their first date when talking about schools/ambitions) so she's incredulous as to why he's breaking up with her in the first place. I could go on about it more but I feel like this film is a masterpiece not just from what it chooses to show but what it leaves out for the viewer to interpret... proof that 2 people can watch the exact same film and have two polar opposite opinions of it... I feel there's not much of any "right or wrong" opinion of it.

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

3 жыл бұрын

Totally agree that each viewer has their own subjective experience and I really like the points you mentioned. It just shows how deep the wounds are for Andrew and how clever the writing is to subtly thread this mother wound through the narrative. Well noticed!

Great video man, excellent stuff, Whiplash is one of my favorites of the decade, as you said, a total masterpiece. Good to have you back, man.

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks man, yeah its so well made, I was more and more impressed the more I looked at it closer!

@daniel_netzel

6 жыл бұрын

I still have only seen it once, I really ought to change that. What were your opinions of La La Land?

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

6 жыл бұрын

I really liked it, its a way bigger accomplishment and huge in terms of scale but Whiplash is still my personal favourite.

@daniel_netzel

6 жыл бұрын

I'd have to reserve final judgement for when I see them both again, but after a first viewing La La Land takes it by a nose for me, on a personal level at least. Objectively, I think the story of Whiplash is probably more compelling, and getting at deeper themes than La La Land. But as a fan of jazz, L.A., and nostalgia, it just cut right through to me.

Your voice is very soothing. Well spoken. Calm. Sure of itself. Enjoyable dissection of one of my fav 2010’s movies

Fletcher's abuse may have made Andrew a great drummer, but it came at a huge cost. No only does Andrew endure physical pain, injury, and a collapse of his personal life, but it also makes him truly a terrible person. Andrew is rude to his family. He's demeaning to his fellow bandmates. He leaves the scene of an accident without seeing if everyone is okay. The movie is not only showing us the conflict these two people go through to achieve the same goal. It's also asking us if this method of teaching is worth it, and I would say that it's heavily hinting that it is not.

@trequor

2 жыл бұрын

Well that's just your opinion. And I don't mean this to be insulting! It's a mark of the movie's mastery that the message is an open question; each person interprets it based on their own personality and experiences. It's not just propaganda that definitely says "Fletcher was justified" or "Fletcher was wrong". It's actually nuanced and paints a realistic picture of what extreme success looks like. Neiman and Fletcher are alike in that they are both willing to sacrifice EVERYTHING to create great music. Neither are heroes and they aren't supposed to be. Neiman is an asshole... but he plays great music. His music will inspire and awe thousands, possibly even millions. The central question of the movie is "Is this worth it?" .... and the answer will differ from person to person. Some people would rather see Neiman as a happy, balanced man with healthy relationships. Others would rather hear great music. This is the beauty of a true masterpiece.

I miss your content Darren. You have a great eye for analysis. I hope you return to the channel soon.

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks man, appreciate the positive feedback. My wife and I just had a kid recently, so been a little distracted with other life stuff but looking forward creating more videos in the future.

@ozymandias6817

4 жыл бұрын

@@_MUSTSEEFILMS_ hey congrats man

@loponolocozo

4 жыл бұрын

@@_MUSTSEEFILMS_ congratulations man!

"This shot is money" That Swingers reference was epic

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

2 жыл бұрын

:) I'm happy someone caught that.

just got done watching this masterpiece and wow is all i can say. everything is perfect about it seriously. the ambience changing throughout the story, the unexpected outbursts. never got bored of it and can watch it in a row seriously.

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like you had the same experience I did and you'll understand why I made this video! glad you enjoyed it!

Future classic that launched Damien Chazelle's career (btw the editing quality of this video is on par with the actual film well done)

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks man, I had a lot of time away so was able to decide on a few things I really wanted to improve when I came back, editing was one of them!

@azzyclark3860

6 жыл бұрын

MUST SEE FILMS no probs man. i thought you're vid on There Will Be Blood was exceptional. your channel is going places mark my words. keep it up.

Glad to see you've made a video because I asked you about it on Twitter. It's nice to learn you have that kind of power.

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah it took a little longer that I hoped but its actually quite a long video lol and it took me a while to find the editing groove again.

Glad to see you back! Was genuinely happy when I saw this video in my notifications, and to one of the best movies I've seen in recent memory. Don't listen to those who complain about your speech. It is distinct, soothing, perfect. It's part of the appeal of this channel and what separates it from the others.

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks man, I'm always trying to get better, even just learning how to record and edit the audio made a huge difference but the better I can get at the actually execution then I'm sure it will translate. Im glad to hear so much love for Whiplash, such an awesome film!

Watched this last night, this intense film was a WHOLE EXPERIENCE and that's what makes it FANTASTIC!

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

2 жыл бұрын

Thats how I felt the first time I saw it in cinemas, so awesome and intense is definitely the right word!!

Good Lord, I could listen/watch your dissections forever! Thank you for your insight (again)!!

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Emily, great to hear your finding this video useful. I really tired to share all the reasons why I loved this film and there was a lot. Im thinking of doing this kind of break down for another film!

@Emily-gz4tr

6 жыл бұрын

Do it!

Your voice is so pleasant to listen to. I love how in-depth all your videos are. Top quality film analysis.

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

6 жыл бұрын

jacobje00 thanks, there was so much work put into the writing of whiplash that really paid off in the film and I just wanted to dig into everything that I noticed that really made the film work, such a masterpiece.

Whiplash deserves the same praise as La La Land, if not more. Great movie. My god.

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah agreed. La La Land is flashy and awesome, but Whiplash is pure adrenaline.

My favorite channel in all honesty.

10:37 woahh could not disagree more with this, this is the face of a man who doesnt even recognize what his son has become. its a look of horror

@javieremoya

3 жыл бұрын

what did andrew give up exactly? Andrew for a bit in the film, leading up to this was post-Shaffer and he had clarity after his abuse with fletcher.... he apologized to nicole, spends time with his father...invites him, and even EMBRACES him right before he goes back and shows he isn't discouraged.... I'm aware of what Andrew COULD have given up....as seen with how he acts until he gets in the car crash.... but it doesn't paint him as actually giving that stuff up at the end...as I specified in my first paragraph

@nicholasleclerc1583

3 жыл бұрын

He didn’t return the hug

@DrJ-hx7wv

3 ай бұрын

The mediocre often see obsession as insanity. Excellence doesn't come from indulgence.

You are my go to channel, Darren! Glad to see you making vids like this about your favorite films and so passionate about them that you spend the time to create a breakdown vid such as this. I need to make a channel like yours, but I don't want to spent the time to create a vid. I'd rather just do a vlog and I should. I like to spend my time and energy on my script. I saw the vid you put up of your scripts you have worked on and know that when you come back, you'll have a draft written even if you don't let us in on it. I just love your passion and drive of cinema to be a part of it. It's nice to see someone that shares my passion of cinema. This has been my best year. I've written some bad scripts and have started some bad scripts. I even wrote 50 pages of a book to find that I don't want to go that route and it's a completely different process than screenplay writing. I've written a first draft this year and about to finish another one. And have plenty of ideas for future scripts, but next year I'm going to spend it knocking out second and, hopefully, a final draft of at least one of these scripts that I've written this year. I've let go of so many things holding me back in my writing and have never been so free and focused on a script. I need to start a channel like yours, but it'd be super basic honest no cutting vlogging. I've watched my favorite film 50 times now and have watched my other favorites up there with it as well this year. You watch a film that many times and you really break down how it works and why. Really, really hope/know your script writing is going well. I know it is. I find after years of theorizing that it comes down to just doing it and having the drive and sticking to your script and being free in every moment of the writing. You find everything out as you go. After you have a good outline of course. I've found that all of my favorite films are simple as hell. You watch them at first and they might not seem like it, but the best ones are. That's why they work. Save those other ideas for other screenplays. And when you get done with one, move onto the next one. Write from the heart. After getting my final drafts of the two, I plan on trying to get them sold. Aka - finding an agent, entering them into competitions, sending them to mail boxes of whoever, whatever, lol. Going to be a completely different road. My goal is, of course, to get one on the screen, but, being a screen writer, is putting in the work and getting there. Writing the script. Because, once one is done, I'm always greedy to get started on the next one. I'm now open to even doing adaptations or scripts based on real people or jobs, etc. I want to push myself in every direction. Always expanding my freedom and finding myself in the script.

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks great man, awesome to hear how focused you are on screenwriting. Im going through a bit of a transitional phase at the moment so having to really make a few decisions about what is important to spend my time on, so I'm planning on focusing a lot more on screenwriting and making more projects, so I'm very excited about that. All this channel has been is a by-product of my own learning and study of the craft and love of cinema, so I'm hoping that will be useful down the line. Thanks for sharing!

It's hard to explain unless you've been either the fletcher or the neeman. There's a messed up bond you have in a relationship like that. Like an unspoken understanding of misery but also a drive to improve and be the best. I used to have a boss like fletcher. Almost exactly like him. The only thing that decided if I kept working there was me. That manager said all sorts of negative stuff but that high pressure method actually did work and made me perform faster in the workplace. I only wish I hadn't sacrificed my own well being, but I don't regret NY of that experience

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

2 жыл бұрын

Its amazing, and endlessly fascinating how much this film and the relationship acts as a mirror for the audience to seem themselves in, either through experience of just as a thought experiment, to say whether its worth it or not. Probably one of the films biggest accomplishments.

I'M OBSESSED with this beautiful movie!

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

6 жыл бұрын

I know the feeling!

Totally outstanding, didnt expect such detailed Analysis.

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks man, there was so much in Whiplash that I was impressed by that I wanted to really cover it all!

Fletcher believes people need to be pushed by any means possible to bring greatness out of them. Andrew is willing to give up everything he can to be great.

What a comeback darren! Keep up the great work!

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks man, was hoping to return with a film that I really loved, so Whiplash was a great choice for me!

Great to see you back! Fantastic vid as always!

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Dani! Its nice to finally share this, took longer to really get into the editing!

Insightful analysis, watched for the third time last night, and, as you say, worth multiple viewings. Thanks for sharing.

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

Жыл бұрын

I love it, its so intense!! The first time I saw it in theatres was crazy!

love your work!!!

7:44 The introduction of "her" by eery made me pop off SO hard. Really felt like a good pick.

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

2 жыл бұрын

Happy to hear someone recognise that song, I was super excited when I first found and used it. Glad to hear another another fan enjoying it. Thanks!

As usual, fantastic analysis. Your production work is really getting great as well. I'm so glad you decided to review what I feel is an underrated masterpiece. Still hoping for an "Assassination of Jesse James" review :)

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks man, iv been trying to get better, theres so much about video production I never knew about so starting to get to grips with the main stuff. Also Iv got Jesse James sitting next to me, waiting to be re-watched, I'd like to get to it at some point!

Your breakdown was also a masterpiece. Well done! And I agree that this film was a masterpiece as well.

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Kris, its such an intense film and it works on every level but when you really dig into it, its very much all by design.

Great to see you back

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks man, really enjoyed making this video!

It's glad to see you back man :D

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks, its nice to here such welcoming messages, I was really excited to share this and really enjoyed getting back into making videos again!

great to have you back darren.. excellent video :) - Khurum

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

6 жыл бұрын

solidus470 thanks man, good to get back to work on videos again!

Ayyy, welcome back, friend!

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Matt, should be back to more regular videos now, which is exciting cause iv got a good few lined up already!

YES. glad to see you back. this is obviously great. best movie analysis channel on youtube

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks man, just trying to get better every time, which is funny if you look back at some of my first videos, the content is okay but the production is terrible lol. Oh well, all part of the learning process I guess.

@gsboss

6 жыл бұрын

i trust a lot of film channels on here, but this has to be above the rest. i hope the subs keep coming as well as the videos

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks man, I'm always trying to get better, so hopefully that will help me reach more people!

I just saw the film and i dont understand a few things, hopefully someone could help with these things, 1) How is it possible that you become someone who doesnt care about what abuses another person is throwing at you but you are still looking for that very same persons approval , as is seen in the final scene, when andrew is cheated by fletcher and then the scene when andrew continues to play even when fletcher tries to dissuade him from playing by abusing him, but towards the end andrew still looks at fletcher hoping to see him happy with what he just did.. so what is it ? we try to find approval from people we respect right, so why was fletchers approval so important to him? It seemed throughout that he was quite self aware (of how good he was) otherwise where would he get the courage to fight fletcher whenever he did! 2) The final scene, when andrew had to play the first song, which he had no clue about, did a bad job and the other members of the team were all confused., that time fletchers image wasnt at stake or the bad performance wasnt soiling fletchers image! as he looked happy and his revenge had been taken. But when andrew was giving the solo, it bothered him and was tensed. Why? What was he worried about? (I actually kinda have my own answers to these questions but i'd appreciate various perspectives

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

4 жыл бұрын

1) For me, its the desperate obsession with reaching greatness. Its kinda like he's seeking fletchers approval but in the end they realise that working together has sharpened them both and taken Andrew to the top. Even though its not really a very mentally health way. 2) I don't think Fletcher is bothered about his image in the end, but when Andrew starts killing it with the solo, Fletcher is annoyed because Andrew is winning the mini power struggle. Such a great film and amazing how their are different ways to take the end!

@priyamvadam4928

4 жыл бұрын

@@_MUSTSEEFILMS_ mmmhmmm interesting

@priyamvadam4928

4 жыл бұрын

thank you

@handsomeX

3 жыл бұрын

@@_MUSTSEEFILMS_ Yeah I think it's a win win situation for Fletcher because he finally found his "Charlie parker". If he ends up making it big, fletcher gets to bask in the glow of "I got the greatness out of him". And "My method works" Mission accomplished in his eyes. The ends justify the means.

i met someone in highschool, a poser and a loser. that was my first impression of him. when he's talking and I'm there, I immediately insult him when I know he doesn't understand half of what he's saying. I once saw him being laughed at by other students. and it has become frequent. People think of him as a joke. I felt sorry for him at that time so I told them to stop. I am respected at school. since then he has always followed me. and because he knows that I play the guitar, he wants me to teach him. I said no. but he is really insistent even though I have rejected him several times. I saw him being mocked again. I have decided that I will change the bad treatment of people towards him. he is the type of person who really knows zero about the guitar. but he is a music lover. he is very difficult to teach because his fingers are very stiff and have no potential. because of my frustration with him, I often insulted him. but he has the, "grit" just like what you'd said to be a great guitarist. and I saw that in him. it became a challenge for me to teach him. I persevered to teach him for a year. He was slowly recognized at school and more and more people wanted to be friends with him and became popular among girls. we don't see each other anymore. The last news I heard from him was that the band he formed won the battle of the bands.

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

Жыл бұрын

Boom! Grit goes a long way!

Great video, _this is one of the few films I've shown everyone_

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

6 жыл бұрын

I know its so awesome, love Whiplash!!

No film has ever made feel actual nervousness before. I have been entertained by other movies but I’ve never actually felt that pit in your stomach feeling besides any other film than this.

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I remember the first time I saw it in the cinema and couldn't believe the last 10 minutes, like jaw on the floor, couldn't believe they took it this far.

@boombacca8274

Жыл бұрын

if you like this kinda movie, try to watch, "the Game" 1997. avoid spoilers. kinda boring at first though.

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

Жыл бұрын

@@boombacca8274 Yeah the Game is awesome, not seen it in a long time, been thinking about it recently though.

@boombacca8274

Жыл бұрын

@@_MUSTSEEFILMS_ oh you like the Game as well that's awesome. Whiplash and The Game common dinominator: tense, anxiety, unpredictability and brilliant storyline

Whiplash is a masterful film and 100% worthy of study. If you are interested in other narrative deconstructions, check out my Finding Nemo video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/inxpzLNriMa0haQ.html

This movie represents a bit my relationship with my dad. He is always negative reinforcing me and never tries to teach me.All the times he says I am useless and nothing. Not sure if it is a method of his to test me and build my character of if he's just a sick person

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

2 жыл бұрын

Its a very grey area, and the end of the film kinda leaves it up to the audience to decide if the methods are worth it. I go back and forth.

@zerogravityhead1

2 жыл бұрын

What he's saying isn't true. He can't expect you to learn if he never teaches you. Fletcher tried to teach his students, so there was some kind of point to what he was doing. Your dad is wrong and your aren't what he says you are. I hope you manage to move out from him and find a place that's safer and more supportive.

He really had a hold on Andrew. Andrew could have easily just explained to the judges and hosts of the concert that he was set up to fail. They must have already known about Fletcher's termination from Chaffer and the reasons for doing so and could have easily have it brushed off as a victim of petty revenge and his career goes on as normal. But he didn't. He chose to prove him wrong and right at the same time. And that's honestly terrifying when all your rational thought goes away because of your obsession.

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

Жыл бұрын

I know, the ending of the film went to 11 for me!

Great analysis of one of my favourite movie man.you took it too deep and I got what you said.ty

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks man, Yeah its a personal favourite of mine too, glad you enjoyed the video, it tried to dig into all the reason why it really stood out!

Your videos have improved alot. Great video !.

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks! been really trying to get better, had a lot to learn and always trying to refine the process, so glad to hear some improvement has been recognised!

Thank You!

Just awesome, something I was really looking for and would put it to use! Thanks

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

6 жыл бұрын

Hey Ketan, glad you enjoyed it, I really liked making this analysis, and think Whiplash is a masterpiece.

@chandni4083

6 жыл бұрын

It indeed is, so compact,not a note is out of place. Did you see the question I posted for you? :)

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

6 жыл бұрын

Not sure if I did, what was it??

@chandni4083

6 жыл бұрын

How do you streamline all your brainstorming stuff...ideas, scenes that come to you randomly...I am aware it is overwhelming for everyone with scenes, dialogues coming to you randomly...

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

6 жыл бұрын

Best way to capture all of that is just in a random notebook so you don't forget them, but then when I'm writing a script I try to go step by step from premise to outline, to scenes to dialogue etc and then some of the notes will become useful.

You're back!

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

6 жыл бұрын

Im excited to finally share this and get back into videos again, been a solid break but back to more regular work now.

Heyy it's good to have you back !

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks man, iv really missed making videos but this did take a while to get the feel of it again!

@CineFrames123

6 жыл бұрын

MUST SEE FILMS I loved the editing in this video. Works well with your focused points and reasoning. Keep up the good work 👍

Glad you’re back.

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks man, relayed enjoyed doing this again, such be easier for the next now I'm back in the swing of editing again!

I can't believe how a 29 years old still managed to come up with such an airtight screenplay (probably younger at that time). Sometimes, it really makes me doubt my abilities (I'm still 20 tho).

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

6 жыл бұрын

I heard him say in an interview that he worked as a writer in Hollywood just doing drafts on scripts but nothing that ever really got made, so he'd written 100 scripts before doing Whiplash. So I'd say just write a 100 scripts over the next 9 years and you'll probably be close. Iv written about 5, all terrible but my latest one is way better, but I can't even image the improvement if you wrote 100!

@kiribundi

6 жыл бұрын

That's quite an interesting perspective. Whiplash was also probably an analogy for his own situation as a screenwriter. Btw, I'm at that point where I'm about to make a short film out of the sheer frustration of having been procrastinating that whole time! Thanks for the video, glad I was still subscribed.

welcome back man, pls keep up your vids makes me love the films u discus more.

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

6 жыл бұрын

QnAAs89 thanks man, I'm working on the next one just now, got a whole line up of video at the moment, should be much more regular now.

whiplash is fucking painful to watch. it portrays the endless search for "greatness" and the sacrifices that come with it so brutally well. I especially like how objective it is on who "won". They both got what they wanted - Fletcher's methodology produced an immensely dedicated jazz musician, and Andrew earned the respect of a teacher who wanted to make him one of the "greats". The question is - what does it mean to be "great"? is it really worth it to be one of the "greats" if it means isolation and sacrifice? would you be truly happy if you were remembered instead of forgotten... even accounting for the drastic struggles to reach that title? Andrew was a naturally talented drummer and had genuine passion... but he also used it to compensate for other shortcomings - "four words you'll never hear from the NFL". was it out of genuine passion, or a desperate plea to prove his self-worth? maybe if he became one of the "greats" it'd fix everything else. ultimately, the biggest, hardest question Whiplash left me with: was it worth it?

@RatPfink66

Жыл бұрын

It's very fashionable today to say being the best is worth ANYTHING...and to have pity or contempt for people who disagree. People actually fear for future generations if they fail to embrace society's insanely wacked-out levels of competitiveness.

There's 2 ways people view Fletchers teaching methods: 1. Emotionally abusive 2. The reason we have greatness today

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

3 жыл бұрын

I know, and does one really justify the other?? I guess thats the question the film provokes.

Great video man. I can’t wait to see what else you’ll do.

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

6 жыл бұрын

Got a few really interesting and different films lined up for next!

@Jared_Wignall

6 жыл бұрын

MUST SEE FILMS awesome man. Keep up the great work.

One thing I don't understand is... I thought Fletcher saw Andrew having potential genuinely (throughout the movie), and that's why he brought him to the last concert. But was it to set up to ruin Andrew's career (by using different music piece) for revenge, or really trying to see if Andrew could cope with that situation? Did he think that making a situation almost to risk one's career (by deceiving) could blossom one to be a greatest, or was it just a set up for revenge (which happened to just make Andrew blossom)?

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

2 жыл бұрын

My gut tells me that Fletcher planned to savage andrew as payback from getting him thrown out of school, but when it back fired and Andrew stepped up to the challenge, it almost proves Fletchers violent and menacing teaching methods true because he takes it and rises above to become great in fletchers eyes. So its a win win for fletcher. Loose and he wins, or rise to be a champ and he also wins. Andrew achieves greatness but maybe a part of his soul in the process.

@MUST SEE FILMS 11:26 "He is nice to this little girl" Do you realize that it is Sean Casey - the band member that commits suicide - and is daughter.

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

2 жыл бұрын

Wow I did not, will be interesting to notice how that moment plays the next time I watch this!

Oh my gosh you used one of Alfa Mist's tracks ^_^ Glad you've made another video - Whiplash was my favourite films of 2015 and is in my top 20 of all time! - It always reminds me to work hard at my illustration/film work

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

6 жыл бұрын

I spend so long trying to find the perfect track for this introduction, like ages lol, but once I heard that Alfa Mist tune, I knew that was the one! Glad to see other fans!

@JaeTheINKtrovert

6 жыл бұрын

I love the enthusiasm - Afla Mist is incredible live, try and catch a performance if you can!

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

6 жыл бұрын

would love to, wonder if he's coming to Scotland anytime soon? lol

@JaeTheINKtrovert

6 жыл бұрын

He's on tour right now so you never know lol

One of the Beat movies I have ever seen!

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

3 жыл бұрын

Its up there for me, totally feel in love with it right away!

The greatest sports movie ever!

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah thats a good way to think of it, that final showdown really is like the big game and the music sequences are really action packed visceral montages.

Where have you been!!!!!!?????

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

6 жыл бұрын

lol sorry for the extended break but I mentioned it in my '22 weeks' video, but Iv been focusing on writing a screenplay that I'll hopefully be able to make as a low-to-no budget feature myself in Scotland. But thats done now so managed to get back into videos!

haha the clap idea is cool!!

love it!

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Whiplash is the best!!

Fantastic.

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks man!!

Welcome back

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks man, so nice to be welcomed back, great to see theres still an appetite for this kind of video!

Masterpiece for sure.

Because it has a great director.

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed!

IMO this is All-time top-20 and truly a Masterpiece. Every scene and camera shot/angle/focus purposely moving forth in a prescribed manner and by the way: this true Masterpiece breaks the traditional 'setup' (1st 15-20%) format and likely would have been rejected for that reason with every submission. Indeed this was the case and it wasn't until the idiot publishers (IMHO don't get me started) noted an Indy award that they took notice - not based on the brilliant script they should have embraced at the submission stage, rather they saw dollar-signs and even then only appropriating a small budget (relatively speaking.) I am so thrilled this script/directing/movie rose through the murky swamp of industry fools and has been ultimately recognized for what it truly is - an Epic Movie.

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

3 жыл бұрын

100% agree. I felt that way about it when I saw the short film. Then as soon as I saw the actually trailer I instantly felt like it was going to be gold. Then in the cinema watching it when it gets into the climax and goes to a whole new level I couldn't even imagine, I was blown away. Just a masterpiece for me and really happy to hear how loved it is by many. Also the script is amazing, Iv read it and used it to try and learn screenwriting myself and its a killer script!

@realmusic962

3 жыл бұрын

@@_MUSTSEEFILMS_ It really is a killer script. I'm guessing the submission screeners never read it because of the non-traditional format. I can't imagine anyone reading that script and passing on it.

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

3 жыл бұрын

@@realmusic962 I know, its stacked with conflict and tension. Maybe the premise at surface level of a a struggling drummer seemed boring but when you see the film, you're so invested! love it! Also that opening scene on the page is amazing and just makes me want to know more about Flecther and how evil he could be.

Sir which tool you use for video making?

What makes your voice such a great melody to hear

That is really amazing explanation

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks man, its a personal favourite film of mine so was fun to dig into!

@amardeepsingh3914

3 жыл бұрын

@@_MUSTSEEFILMS_ I feel the enthusiasm you have shown in your narration. And also I have seen this movie more than 100 times already. It's my favorite too!

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

3 жыл бұрын

@@amardeepsingh3914 Thanks. I remember when the short film came out and I thought it was awesome, then I saw the trailer for the film and I KNEW it was gonna be amazing, I saw it in the cinema and it didn't disappoint.

How do I extract React logic into Redux?

Can you do silence of the lambs? The way the movie keeps the tension going right from the first scene!!

Uncut gems

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

3 жыл бұрын

Soooo good! I was blown away when I watched it, iv been meaning to watch it again, probably soon!!

Back when I was in 10th grade, I was in the wrestling class. I was only approximately 120 Ibs at the time and underweight. One day early in the season, my collarbone and ribcage became misaligned. My arms horizontal movement became restricted due to the pain. I asked everyone; my coach, my teachers, my parents to help me see a Chiropractor. No one took me seriously. Because of this injury which I was forced to wrestle with or fail the class, I never won a single match. I refuse to see this movie because I am afraid of reliving my own trauma. It’s because of this trauma I fail to understand how so many people including Chris Stuckmann can praise a work like this, and because I fail to understand I feel weak, incompetent, and outcast. Is it okay to feel deathly afraid of a film such as this?

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah definitely. A film itself just a film. Its very subjective, people bring all their personal baggage to each viewing, so the experience is very different for everyone. If you haven't watched it, its probably as you'd imagine, a bullying type mentor that forces someone below them. Its a good film, but might be more emotional for yourself.

@hawkeyenextgen7117

3 жыл бұрын

@@_MUSTSEEFILMS_ I’ve read enough and seen enough of it to know it’ll do me more harm than good.

@hawkeyenextgen7117

3 жыл бұрын

@@_MUSTSEEFILMS_ I fail to understand how anyone can call this praiseworthy; because I myself have gone through a similar situation; let alone praise the ending.

great video

Great!

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks man!

My stepdad was like that, never satisfied. And He will keep pushing him.

How do you make your videos? I.e. what software do you use and how do you acquire the clips from films? Just fascinated! Great vid btw, what a movie Whiplash is.

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

6 жыл бұрын

I use final cut pro x and usually just rip the film off a dvd then edit it from there. Sometimes use clips from online but if I have the dvd then I just rip it.

Little suggestion: try to add English subtitles to your videos. As a non-native speaker, there are some things that I can't understand very well at first hearing. Subtitles would be really helpful. Thank you, these analyses are great.

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

6 жыл бұрын

Hey man, iv just added English subtitles to this video ill do this from now on, thanks for the suggestion.

@MrRahulefe

6 жыл бұрын

Are you rushing or dragging?

@lenjaminbang

4 жыл бұрын

@@_MUSTSEEFILMS_ thank you so much for this, it really helps a lot!

Great Channel!

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks man! Woking on a new video for the end of this month!

@MUST SEE FILMS 12:10 "Fake encouragement talk" Not quite ! Fletcher actually lays out the recipe to becoming the new Charlie Parker in his class. Had Andrew paid more attention and taken the advice instead of being so full of himself he would have suffered a lot less. He was too both proud of being selected for the class and focused on becoming great in the eyes of Fletcher - instead of focusing on the music and the effort he will have to put in to become capable.

I very much enjoyed watching this-like watching the film again. Very interesting and informative☺ I'd love to know what you think happens after the events in the film. I really wish Chazelle hadn't said that he saw Andrew dying in his 30s, am empty shell from a drug overdose. In the script Andrew starts taking pills and disowns his father outright. I'm so pleased these parts were left out of the final film or the ending would have been truly pitiful, helpless and would not have had the same impact. In light of this, I really want a more hopeful future for Andrew. If I take a bleak view of the ending it can be seen as him selling his soul to the devil-Fletcher. Afterwards he will reap the rewards of his actions leading to loneliness, further abuse, drugs and ultimately an untimely death. However, he hasn't yet gone as far down that self destructive path and would it be out of the question for him to achieve redemption? After this performance he never has to see Fletcher again, they don't have to school or work together. I imagine after his performance that other opportunities to work elsewhere would arise. In fact, could Andrew have ruined Fletcher's reputation further as the audience would surely be asking why he played so terribly on the first number. That would mean they both ruined each other twice. Does he really need Fletcher to be great? On seeing his son perform could his Father, loving as he was, reignite his own desire and become the father Andrew needs? Is there any hope? The path to redemption would make Andrew a bonafide hero. In that respect I feel like we've only seen the first part, the set up to true greatness. Would a sequel be absurd?

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

6 жыл бұрын

These are all the kind of things I thought about for ages. One of the things this film does better than most is RAISE questions and I think making an audience engage with the ideas of the film has made it stand out, even after the amazing conflict. I could see it going any way after the end, I would hope he walks out of this performance and feels done with Fletcher and moves on, but I could see it multiple ways.

Perhaps greatness is so important that it must be passed down at all costs, even if it sometimes causes misery and destruction.

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

2 жыл бұрын

I know, I go back and forth on if the the costs are worth the means, I never really come up with a serious answer.

@RatPfink66

Жыл бұрын

Maybe it is misery that is so important that it must be passed down at all costs.

buddy! how do you know or chose the music that you can use in ur video without copyright infringement?

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

4 жыл бұрын

This has been a long process of trial an error. I search for music on YT generally of unknown bangs or anything that doesn't belong to a big studio/company. Then once iv finished the video ill upload it privately first. YT generally scans the video as you upload it and it will tell me if its flagged anything up. If iv managed to get away with it, ill publish, but if not, ill usually delete it and re-edit the video around whatever music of video clips get flagged. There's a YT channel called 'Stay See' where I get alot of stuff. Hope this helps.

@criticalpotato8958

4 жыл бұрын

@@_MUSTSEEFILMS_ wow! thats sounds frustrating. but great job on the videos. very well made. Also saw your interview with Rob. Great insights. Trying to get into the space, but i am at a basic level still. Any tips would be appreciated. I want to target lesser known, independent films

I felt this video was rushing! What do you think???

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

Жыл бұрын

Not quite my tempo lol.

To me there are three main scenes that make this movie much deeper than it could have been with a shitty writer: 1) when fletcher loses his star pupil he dismissed everybody to focus on the drummers, he says it’s because they’re off tempo but honestly I think it’s to test Andrew properly, he sees potential in Andrew as we’ve seen up to this point but having lost his star pupil he wants a new one and now wants to be sure Andrew is willing to suffer more than everybody else for his craft (which the writer didn’t outright say which is great because it would ruin the scene if he said anything remotely like that) 2) when fletcher is in the bar and much softer of a person, while that scene is setup and manipulation I fully believe he’s being honest to Andrew when he says he knows he’s brutal to them, that he only replaced Andrew to make him work harder etc. In fletcher’s mind he knows what he’s doing to the band members is cruel but he thinks morally he’s justified because they can quit if they can’t take it and if they don’t he has the chance to give the world a new great. It gives his character so much more depth than just fletcher is always a dick who wants a great student to be in his class. He honestly believes what he does is a necessary evil to get the world the next great player. 3) the final scenes, we know fletcher is trying to destroy Andrew’s career by not giving him music etc but when fletcher sees he has enough grit to come back on, ignore his anger (“I’ll cut your fucking eye out”) he turns from wanting to ruin him to genuinely helping him (fixing the kit when a cymbal is knocked down mid solo) because in fletcher’s mind he’s achieved his goal. He never cared about Andrew as a person so there’s no vendetta, he never cared about his job it was just a way to get the access to the best young musicians to find the next great which he thought Andrew deprived him off by getting him fired, once Andrew came out and showed that it was definitely him that was going to be that next great performer nothing else mattered beyond that, all Fletcher tried to do was help him for the rest of the scene, letting Andrew lead with cues, assisting the solo etc. He showed his character genuinely did have a single motivation the whole movie, if he was just this dick we saw the whole time he would have still tried to ruin Andrew out of spite, the him helping showed he really was just doing it all to try and get the best he could for the world of jazz which really adds to the bar scene imo where we saw the other side of fletcher.

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

3 жыл бұрын

Totally agree. Seems like Fletcher was a necessary evil to bring forth Andrews unrealised potential. I go back and forth whether its morally justified but I think the truth is, andrew wouldn't have reached such heights if it wasn't for Fletcher.

This movie is so beautiful and stuff, but it really makes you wonder if you're wasting your time by being happy but average.

Hey Darren what happened to the video about the PTA trilogy? Great video by the way keep it up

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

6 жыл бұрын

Hey man, its a pretty old video now lo, but its still here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/mmiV2saxlqe6k6g.html

@Nick_Rodriguez444

6 жыл бұрын

MUST SEE FILMS thanks Darren. Oh and I've always wanted to hear your opinions and analysis on No Country For Old Men

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

6 жыл бұрын

Yea I love No Country, such a suspenseful slow burn, would like to cover it one day!

Does his dad really see the greatness in him at the end or is he horrified at what his son has become? I used to think it was common sense that his dad finally realized his som was great, but after showing many people some took away that his dad was actually troubled by the scene.

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I think I'm more on that side now too. Its amazing what multiple viewings and some time can do to change your perspective on things.

Great explanation 👍 Charlie Parker was a saxophonist not a drummer, in this film Andrew could be able to lead the whole band, even thou the most important musical instrument in jazz is a sax.

can you give us a list of required reading for film analysis? or anything film really?

@_MUSTSEEFILMS_

6 жыл бұрын

Here you go man, made a little post about it! hope this helps! twitter.com/darrenf87/status/918418555040948224

@gsboss

6 жыл бұрын

i love it. thanks so much for the stack. im gonna start with scorsese on scorsese and work my way from there.