Rich, please stop making me want a new bike... I have to pay rent 😂

@IRCTireUSAMoto

Жыл бұрын

😂🤣

@GTisRule

Жыл бұрын

haha seriously, was just looking up the price!

Thx Rich, these electric reviews are so good and very informative. Keep em (no pun :-) ) coming!

Interesting video! It’s not so much about 1 a tank of gas vs 1 battery tho. For me it’s that you can fill up your tank endlessly but can’t afford two or more batteries to bring with ya

Another sweet video on the Epure. Love it. Keep up the great videos! Personally I am working towards double blips on the Epure. Looking forward to your videos

@IRCTireUSAMoto

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!!

I guess, the difference is now down to charging times, do you want to wait 2 hrs to charge or fill up in 5 mins, biggest advantage for gas is you can carry fuel, but you need to get EV to home to charge

Thanks for the great content, Rich! I'm impressed with the battery life. What a cool bike. I'd like to see the comparison with a 250 or 300 four stroke (I own both). Hopefully the EMs get more affordable with time, so I can ride a used one someday. With patience, good used trials bikes can be found.

@IRCTireUSAMoto

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely!! Thanks for watching!!!

Good to see a honest review of this bike. Another channel I follow also reviewed it and completely pooped on it, but he was trying to ride it like a dirtbike. Obviously that's not it's intended use.

@easternyellowjacket276

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. I think that was the Dirt Bike Channel. They guy literally made a fool of himself and I unsubscribed from his channel because he chose to be an idiot on the topic.

For those newer to EV’s and don’t quite get the reason the batteries can charge quickly at first then slow down but, think of charging like stuffing a sleeping bag into a stuff sack. The first 50% goes in quick, as the sack fills the resistance goes up and it get more challenging and takes more effort to stuff more of the sleeping bag in. The cells in the battery pack work much in the same manner, obviously a grossly simplified explanation.

@IRCTireUSAMoto

Жыл бұрын

Great example! Thanks for watching!

I sure love the sound of the gas bike better

@lewisboughton7877

Жыл бұрын

I like the sound of the E-Bikes way better. I run the dogs on the golf course after hours. I've been doing it for 4 years now. I wouldn't get away with it for 4 days with the gas bikes.

Gas bike: Full tank of gas 1 minute; Gas up at the pits or anywhere you want; bring extra fuel with you for al all day trip; lighter; more snap; quiet enough; no batteries!! E-bike: charge at home for at least an hour; quiet; adequate trials bike; two years from now it could be obsolete with parts and support. Conclusion: if you have a gas trials bike, keep it; if you want a new one, consider the e-bike. If your trials bike is going to sit for a year or longer like it can, get a gas bike.

So good to see the epure ridden against another trials bike and doing what it’s designed for. Brilliant test.

@IRCTireUSAMoto

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!!

As someone in the auto industry, I can tell you it's not how long / far the battery goes. It's how long it takes to get you back going that matters. Plus, the lifespan of batteries are still relatively short. Give me combustion please 😁

I was surprised the gas trials bike ran out that quick. I have a Vertigo 250 and it lasts awhile on a tank. Like you said though 4+ hours of continuous drills is more than enough. Great that electric bikes have come this far. They would be great for someone who wants a practice bike they can ride in a populated environment.

@IRCTireUSAMoto

Жыл бұрын

I was also surprised! It’s a rad machine!

the bottom 20% will have lower power and the top 20% can theoretically have more power, but the electronics may or may not limit it. The effect will be more extreme the closer you are to the edges. Look up "voltage vs SOC lithium battery curve". Also for best battery life try to avoid those bottom and top 20%. the bottom of the charge and the extremes are more damaging. 1595 is pretty gentle on them while still giving you most of the range. Store at 50% when not in use.

I can’t wait to buy one of these.

@IRCTireUSAMoto

Жыл бұрын

They’re sick!

Great vid!

@IRCTireUSAMoto

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

That's cool, but it takes a total of 2min to put another tank of petrol in the ICE bike... While the electric bike is a great single day bike, I'd be a bit nervous at a 2 day trial.

@IRCTireUSAMoto

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely. That is true. My focus for this video was more putting to rest a misconception that these bikes only last an hour to two hours. The run time is much longer than most believe.

@krazed0451

Жыл бұрын

@@IRCTireUSAMoto Fair enough, definitely proved that point! We're edging ever closer to a full weekend of entertainment from electric, that's my only hold out as I tend to travel to ride :-)

Nice comparison & test. Charging in under 2 hours is GREAT!!! I did notice your rear tire didn't bulge much at all when you rolled over the top of those boulders. Was that at 4psi? Which rear tire? Keep up the good work with the EM! :-)

@IRCTireUSAMoto

Жыл бұрын

Those are the IRC TR11 trials tires on dry days like this I like to run 5-6

I found this video to send to my mom because I was telling her how I’m getting one of these and wanted to show her what trials is. How did I miss this before? I’m a huge fan of the guest rider! I hear he’s pretty good on a sport bike.

@IRCTireUSAMoto

Жыл бұрын

He’s alright 🤣

Both fun bikes. I need both. I'm jealous :)

Hi Rich, Great video! I've been watching your hard enduro videos for a while and always wondered if you had a trials bike. Do you have a gas trials bike that you practice on?

@IRCTireUSAMoto

Жыл бұрын

I have a Scorpa 300 as well

1) The EM trials bike will last longer than most riders have stamina to ride. A typical trials event is 4 - 6 hours but there is lots of downtime and it isn't straight riding all day. 2) For those that do have the stamina to ride more than 4 hours, this comparison stops making sense because the gas bike can be refilled as necessary. 3) On a typical competition loop it'll be 1 - 3 miles of riding. I will refill my gas bike every other loop just to be safe but probably could go 3 and maybe all 4 loops without refueling. With the EM I'd obviously not need to refuel the bike at all. Time in the pits would be purely taking a break. This won't apply to most of your audience that is just using a trials bike to practice for hard enduro. 4) Maintenance may be easier on the EM. No carb tuning, oil and coolant changes etc.Though you still have chain, brake/clutch system maintenance. Just charge and get on and ride. 5) I hope EM comes up with a better battery replacement solution. While not necessary on a new bike, used bikes with lots of cycles will need a new battery which is currently 50% of the cost of a new bike. Ouch. That hurts resale.

@IRCTireUSAMoto

Жыл бұрын

Great points! I agree!!

@davidige276

Жыл бұрын

Quinn Wentzel rode the expert line last year at a Nationals round on EM and ran out of battery. Next round he brought spare batteries and finished well. The last TKO had an electric class and many were on EM and reported 60% battery after 12 mile race. The Surron Storm Bee ran out of juice. A better test would be a trials riding day with lengthy connector trail riding. In my experience with that kind of riding it is easy to run out of gas before you run out of energy.

Tech is moving at such a rapid pace, these bikes will only get fast, stronger and more range as time progresses, ICE is at the end of the road!

@IRCTireUSAMoto

Жыл бұрын

It’s coming!!!!

@mototrials582

Жыл бұрын

Not going to be the end of ICE. Choices are good though. Towing electric bikes back to the truck sucks. Range is about half of a gas trials bike

In the RC (remote control) world, the gas rc cars are way behind the electric rc cars. The gas cars are more nostalgic now and take a lot more "tinkering" just my opinion.

@IRCTireUSAMoto

Жыл бұрын

Interesting!

yep, it goes into 'get you home mode' as if you were riding back from the trials park on the highway :)

Hey ! Cool video 🎉 i like it. I kinda wonder what is that strap on your right arm? In 1:20

@bikesbeersbeats

3 ай бұрын

he said its a heart rate monitor.

Rode my escape r this past weekend with the PRB lever (which I use all the time instead of my rear brake), and by the time I was worn down and ready to call it, my battery was at 50%.

@IRCTireUSAMoto

Жыл бұрын

Definitely!!

Great video, EM bikes rock. What mode were you riding in?

@IRCTireUSAMoto

Жыл бұрын

This is the 2023 Epure

@SANDS78

Жыл бұрын

I think he is referring to the power modes: Green, Blue or Red.

@AlpineTreeCare

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I meant the power modes. The 23 route race is some machine and costs almost £10k here in the UK ( where everything is expensive and broken!).

@IRCTireUSAMoto

Жыл бұрын

Sorry I thought you said what model. I was mostly in blue.

Do they recommend letting the battery cool after charging?

My buddy and I had a competition this past weekend and at 4 hrs he was out of juice in his 23 EM. But it was interesting he road about a mile back to the truck at 0%.

@IRCTireUSAMoto

Жыл бұрын

I’d say it’s about 4 on most 👍

👍👍👍 здоровье как у хорошего коня, 3 часа на триале

Rich. Your new bike sounds strange.

Difference is Jerry can just fill up and ride full throttle again. My normal enduro bike was getting the suspension redone so i rode my trials bike with my enduro friends all day. Ran three tanks of gas through it bringing gatorade bottles full of mix gas in my pack. Good luck riding all day on a E-bike.

@IRCTireUSAMoto

Жыл бұрын

Yes that is true. My focus for this video was more putting to rest a misconception that these bikes only last an hour to two hours. The run time is much longer than most believe. In fact, in more testing I’ve done, it’s nearly two tanks of gas on a trails bike. Which is great. I own both and there’s a place for both machines.

Electric is very nice in a populated area where you can ride without noise issues. It is great in the city or in camp grounds with electrical hookups. I have a Surron and problem is out in area’s without electricity. Goes about 30 miles then out of juice, takes 2-3 hrs on a generator to charge. Pointless to have electric with generator and I do not bring Surron to somewhere like that. My 22 KTM 300 xcw is great for the outdoors, harder to ride in populated areas. The key take away, whatever bike allows me to be out riding!😊

@IRCTireUSAMoto

Жыл бұрын

Completely agree!!

Heart monitor very interesting factor.

So chalk that up as a downside for electric - variable power output based on battery level. Depending on the rider's demands, some might find it lacking even at 30%. Along the same lines, the downside of the ICE bikes is variable weight based on fuel level.

@IRCTireUSAMoto

Жыл бұрын

Very true

Does the EM have a percentage that you shouldn't go below to protect the battery or is it all in the battery management? My RC stuff has a cutoff circuit that won't let you completely drain a battery.

@IRCTireUSAMoto

Жыл бұрын

After 10% it drops power

@travisestus191

Жыл бұрын

The batteries will have a BMS built into them. This will cut power when the voltage drops low enough. The inverter will also have a low voltage cutoff programmed in as well, I would guess it’s set higher than the BMS as a safety precaution. Voltage sag will also have an effect, that’s likely why the inverter is programmed to reduce power below 10%. The BMS takes care of cell balancing during charge and is likely an active balancer as well during operation.

@otpipe

Жыл бұрын

@@IRCTireUSAMoto yea if the bike decided to quit completely in the middle of a big splatter that could be bad. 😆

Next test out of battery and out of gas, which one can we start riding again within minutes

@IRCTireUSAMoto

Жыл бұрын

Yes that is true. My focus for this video was more putting to rest a misconception that these bikes only last an hour to two hours. The run time is much longer than most believe. In fact, in more testing I’ve done, it’s nearly two tanks of gas on a trails bike. Which is great. I own both and there’s a place for both machines

The biggest concern most Americans may have is parts availability?

The downsides to electric are: 1) You can't refill with fuel in 1 minute. 2) There is no replacement parts market for them, and there won't be because they're evolving too quickly. Once your bike/motor breaks, it's a paperweight. 3) How many charge cycles is the battery rated for before it has the drop in it's capacity? Some are just a few hundred charges. Then you're down to 80% capacity max, and declining from there. 4) The biggest risk here is fire. If that battery case gets perforated or water enters it there will be explosive fire and it will take 8-12x the amount of water to put it out vs a gas vehicle fire. In many cases, it won't go out and will need to be submerged in a tank of water. Those that have seen this after hurricane Ian and watched in horror at Teslas and other EV's spontaneously combusting after exposure to the water, and reading reports from firefighters frustrated that their efforts to put out the fire are so much greater - and many times just don't work. Sometimes the only thing you get for being a pioneer is an aXXfull of arrows.

@IRCTireUSAMoto

Жыл бұрын

I like your quote at the end😁😂

@JuandelaCruise

Жыл бұрын

while charging the e-bike, ride the gas bike :)

@BERZERKERSV4

Жыл бұрын

Yes you are correct… as “one of those FFs “ during Ian/Nicole,I saw first hand how dangerous any EV is after water saturation….1000s of gallons of water are required hoping the fire will not restart….which it will invariably will recombust. Please also be advised that 95% of the towing companies in west Florida would not tow or store the abandoned/disabled EVs that were left on the side of the road due to zero charge as a result of widespread power outages resulting in ZERO charging stations available or water intrusion, why?. because of the explosive fire hazard they pose. In many cases the inconsiderate owners/drivers would simply leave their dead EVs in the roadway creating dangerous blockages…. IMHO, EVs are an answer to a non existent question…

@knobbytrails577

3 ай бұрын

All coins have two sides, you left out the other one.

@bikesbeersbeats

Ай бұрын

1) he didnt need to refuel, so it doesnt matter 😂 2) thats bs. EM have standard parts across all models. Same motor. Its very easy to get replacement parts and some parts are shared with other brands. They did have QA issues in the ‘20/‘21 MY. 3) em battery is rated for 1000 cycles. Thats riding daily for 4 hours daily for 10 yrs. 4) fire has not been an issue for well designed brands which em falls into. Definitely correct on electric model advancements and losing value. There are massive differences between the ‘21 and ‘25 model years. But you can still ride trials either ways, just like any bike. We’re not accustomed to real r&d advancement as ICE oems do everything to give the least amount of upgrades until the competition force them to. Electric is much lower cost so there are more players. BYD is going to help the world get great cheap vehicles!

Very nice. Still leary going all in with one of these bikes, then realizing the battery is going to cost me thousands to replace or fix, or like Alta, go out of business.

@IRCTireUSAMoto

Жыл бұрын

I suppose the battery is a concern. But in all honesty, I don’t see these guys going under they were actually around before Alta. I could be wrong though.

Of course the electric is virtually silent with no localized emissions. It could be utilized inside, or in your back yard without pissing off the neighbors. And as a bonus, in hot conditions, doesn't produce heat for you to have to deal with.

And now they have a model with 40% more battery and its lighter 🤯

Is that the race version? If not you are comparing the longest lasting weakest power model vs the most fuel inefficient model of the sherco. The 125 sherco would be a better comparison.

@IRCTireUSAMoto

Жыл бұрын

Yes this is the 2023 e pure race Race

Now test witch one is full ready to go faster? I can fill my sherco in about 50-70 seconds

@IRCTireUSAMoto

Жыл бұрын

Yes the gas will win that test. This test was more to disprove the misconception that the battery on these machines only last an hour maybe two. Shows batteries are improving with 4-5 hour run times.

The thing is when he runs out all he has to do is grab a can and fill it up, you have to find power and wait. Very cool video idea. Now if you had a few extra batteries you could swap out in a few minutes that would be cool

Does your monitor just count calories or does it do plates as well? Asking for a friend...😉

@IRCTireUSAMoto

Жыл бұрын

That’s it Rick! Send the Buffet location!!! Me Vs You!! Live in the IRC Moto Channel 😂

@racerrick39

Жыл бұрын

@@IRCTireUSAMoto Boris's Sturgeon Bonanza...Moscow! I'll, um, meet you there...🤥 My big eating days are over, I'm already fat, but at next year's Prescott endurocross, I'll take you to a place. But you gotta bring a bike because the "no way you can get me to pivot turn with Flintstone legs challenge" still exists...😂

@IRCTireUSAMoto

Жыл бұрын

Haha!! I’m in!!!

Would be cool to play a game of horse with each other on them

@IRCTireUSAMoto

Жыл бұрын

I plan on doing a Gas Vs electric Performance test!

The sad out of gas walk back to the van haha

@IRCTireUSAMoto

Жыл бұрын

I suppose he can fill up. I can’t

Unbelievable this bike can be fully charged under 2 hours... I don't get it, an electric scooter takes 24 hours and with a fast charger half of it, a super fast charger does it in 6 hours .. Someone knows how is that possible ?

well. you can refill gas in a van or from backpack in a minute, not so quick and easy with the electric :) That's the only real use of electric vehicle, except of warehouse utility vehicles. Good for practicing at home or wherever gas motor is forbidden. . Here in Europe you can buy gas trial on sell for almost half the price of electric so go figure.

@IRCTireUSAMoto

Жыл бұрын

Place for both of them 👍

Do you find the electric bike easier to ride than the gas trials? I am only good for about an 1 to 1.5 hours on a trials bike. Old and fat LOL.

@IRCTireUSAMoto

Жыл бұрын

I find it very similar. Check out my full review kzread.info/dash/bejne/fYmB17Z6qNWcdaw.html

What uses more child labor to mine the minerals for their battery?

The sound of that electric bike is awful and strongly annoying. I never would buy that bike. Anyway thanks for the video. I had to mute the sound to watch the video until the end.

@IRCTireUSAMoto

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching it till the end!

First to comment

@IRCTireUSAMoto

Жыл бұрын

I’m thinking this one will probably have a lot of comments.. 😬

@fprintf

Жыл бұрын

@@IRCTireUSAMoto Taking the time to watch the video all the way through before commenting... but immediate thought was refill time vs. recharge time. We'll see if you cover that! 🙂

I was interested till i seen the price tag 😂

I don't know how it sounds to the person riding that e-trials, but on youtube while I'm at work and half focused pretending to multi-task, I thought somehow I switched the channel to some dentist channel and I was listening to someone get their tooth drilled. EWWW gross!

@IRCTireUSAMoto

Жыл бұрын

😂 it’s much quieter than video makes it out to be

Damn, I've just found out that I am emotionally attacked to the sound of an internal combustion motor, particularly a two stroke, even if it is a footups bike.

Thx Rich, these electric reviews are so good and very informative. Keep em (no pun :-) ) coming!

@IRCTireUSAMoto

Жыл бұрын

Glad you’re enjoying them!