Thank You for the shout out! This was a very solidly made and comprehensive review, good stuff!

@Dracobyte

11 ай бұрын

Glad to see you here!

@CoffeePotato

11 ай бұрын

@@Dracobyte I get around 🤣

As a old man gamer who grew up with pong and Intellivision, I find games such as this more to my liking because my eyesight is going and my coordination is as well. I've been playing this and Fire Emblem games for 25 years. I'm going to give the award to Reborn. It took a bit for me to get used to the new skill system BUT the psp version had major balance issues that reborn has fixed. Plus the RNG as far as recruiting percentages seem more accurate. A 30 percent chance at recruiting is a REAL 30 percent chance now.

@Jugement

2 ай бұрын

One Vision LUCT still tops Reborn in terms of Balance, but Reborn is a good second to vanilla LUCT

Hopefully Reborn does well so that we could see remakes of Ogre Battle and Ogre Battle 64

@ricardodarcangelo2437

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, idk about the 64 game personally... but for those that do, yeah I hope so. The OG Ogre Battle though, yes! But what I really want to see: is to see FFT get the remake treatment, BUT, keep it very close to the original in gameplay. Just add VA, make it prettier, don't write the dialogue to sound like Shakespeare, and tweak skills and classes. So in short, we're ALL hoping Reborn is successful, but for different reasons. I'm not a fan of Reborn though. The writing is awful, cards are so insanely rare; the skill system is nice to spice up the gameplay, but the balancing is... off. I want sooo bad to love the game, since the og was my favorite game until about 6 years ago... and it's DEFINITELY better than the psp version, without debate... but it's still just not as unique as the og was

@LuisD.Guitar

Жыл бұрын

@@ricardodarcangelo2437 The writing of reborn is great

@zakunick1

Жыл бұрын

OB64 is one of my all time favorites. The more love it gets, the better.

@firestar4407

Жыл бұрын

Ah Ogre Battle 64, good memories... I wasn't able to finish it, because my Project64 emulator always froze during a certain battle.

@TheCrazierz

Жыл бұрын

Or, hear me out.... a NEW GAME!!!!

Fun note about the bad word filter: One of the default clan names-Flamescale-triggers the filter without you even changing it. Seems like people think this is because of “mescal” as in the drug mescaline.

Shootout to the increible amount of effort put in these comparisons. Sometimes I'm not even interested in the games and still watch it just to appreciate all the labour and documentation put into these.

Shoutouts to CoffeePotato? Ok, you actually did your homework. Great job comparing the different versions. Must have taken quite a bit of time. Well done!

@Dracobyte

11 ай бұрын

Yeah!!!

That's a lotta version changes 😳 the smoothed sprites in reborn are rough for me though I understand why they changed them

@alexff7

Жыл бұрын

I agree! I thought I was the only one who felt this way. I just started the game this past weekend and after watching a few videos of of the PSP version (which I sunk about 120h in back in the day) I realized I wish they hadn’t smoothed out the sprites that much, I feel it really removes a layer of depth and charm that the psp graphics had. I do understand why they’ve done it though, and I feel it looks better handheld than on a larger screen. I do really like the changes they’ve made to classes and skills so far, the psp version made grinding pretty tedious.

@abatebiral

Жыл бұрын

Yes. Because they have bad taste.

@TheExFatal

Жыл бұрын

That's a huge deal breaker for me, even if the gameplay has been improved

@Lucrei.

Жыл бұрын

I don't understand why they changed them... they look absolutely garish

@PaulvonOberstein

2 ай бұрын

@@alexff7 When I saw the announcement trailer for Reborn I thought it looked like they smeared the screen with vaseline. It looks awful.

The amount of effort and nuance put into Reborn is amazing. They really wanted this game to continue to shine well into the future.

@ThroatShredder1087

Жыл бұрын

except for the AI there in that specific theatre they decided they didn't really care.

@thanksbetotap

Жыл бұрын

Except for the hideous filtering forced upon the pixel art unfortunately.

@shishinonaito

Жыл бұрын

Except for the fact that it is not FF Tactics Reborn

@StewNWT

Жыл бұрын

they made so many awful design decisions with the menus and the character abilities though

@thanksbetotap

Жыл бұрын

@@shishinonaito They’re already remaking FF Tactics. No need to complain here.

THANK YOU! I was just looking for this comparison a few weeks back and NONODY had it

This is such an incredibly important channel for all game lovers - but especially JRPG lovers - in an era of endless re-releases and a lack of game preservation. Bless you!

@Dracobyte

11 ай бұрын

I hope more games of Ogre Battle are being developed, whether they are remasters / remakes or completely new ones.

Thanks for taking the time to list our all these differences.

Thank you for making this video! Awesome as always :P

I'm loving Reborn on the switch. I was a huge FFT fan as a teenager but didn't pick up the psp port of tactics ogre because I thought it was a sequel. Sad I missed out on a game I would have loved

The fact that you still don't have a 100k sub baffles me to no end. You are one of the most underrated video game ports comparison channel ever.

I wasn't expecting this type of video so soon exactly because of how many differences there are

I've been waiting for this!

Great video! I played the original version but forgot a lot of it when i started Reborn. Was great to see the evolution of the game.

omg, sooooo good work! REALLY GREAT JOB!!

This really was an amazing video! Extremely through! Loved it!

An English patch for the saturn version was just released today

Great work! Can tell a lot went into making this video.

You did an excellent job with this video, really really well done. As someone who has and will always love the original for what it is (but is honest about its shortcomings) I think you did a great job explaining what it is like to people who have only experienced the remakes.

The work you did on this is impressive. Thank you

Yessss Austin, I was waitin' for that Video😱😱😍😍

Great stuff as always. Looking forward to a possible Romancing Sa•Ga → Wonderswan → iMode → Minstrel Song → HD Remaster comparison next!

Nice work dude, thanks for the video!

Finally, someone that does a proper job at the topic! EDIT: Though, I would love to see some more minor details such as that effect @8:02, which I don't think is part of the PSP version. People shouldn't be afraid of a video being "hours long" (Tim Rogers is the extreme example).. archiving things in ample detail also has its benefits. Little things can make or break a person's interest in playing a version or game.

Thank you for these, these videos are so informative. Earlier on when Reborn released I saw it was mixed on steam but it seems a lot of the stuff that was changed was a lot of the grind I most likely wouldnt have liked anyway. This has helped me consider getting the game at some point.

What an amazing amount of effort and detail!

That note on PC being locked at same resolution as the other Reborn ports was a huge detail to me. Definitely a switch game to me then. Thank you much!

Playing Reborn now. I played the Super Famicom original so the amount of changes for me is mind boggling. Really having a good time, and appreciating all the QoL and streamlining changes. The sprite work is OK. I read that, rather than a filter, they actually went and redid the sprites i.e. adding more pixels and details in certain places. The orchestrated music is just killer 👍

@StewNWT

Жыл бұрын

StewNWT 1 second ago they made so many awful design decisions with the menus and the character abilities though

@optimust

Жыл бұрын

@@StewNWT I don't agree but admittedly I am coming from the OLD old version. I've seen other players voice some disappointment based on loving the PSP version. Most importantly for me tho was wanting to support Matsuno and the Ogre Battle saga. Who knows how many years that dude has left to work on more games in one of my fave series? Not saying he is THAT old, just that even this 10 yrs since PSP has zoomed by!

@KasumiRINA

Жыл бұрын

@@optimust I haven't played either but even in this video it's obvious PSP got a neat list of skills while the newest version just dumps icons in a bag, looks very confusing unless you memorize every icon and they're tiny and similar.

@Dracobyte

11 ай бұрын

I hope more games of Ogre Battle are being developed, whether they are remasters / remakes or completely new ones.

Great video! The most competent I seen so far, most videos I seen so far get so much stuff from the Snes/PS1/Saturn versions as well as PSP versions just so wrong. 22:54 LOL! You use a Logitech G600 too! xD I loved Tactics Ogre on the PS1 back in the day, beat it over 10 times, I even liked it more then the PSP version. The PSP version felt like they took Tactics Ogre and tried to go more the Final Fantasy Tactics route, with many skills you could learn and setup each character. Also the combat menu was vertical. Reborn feels like they went back to the PSP Tactics Ogre and this time go back to the original Snes game, with horizontal combat menus, Elements on units and the system of fours.

Thorough and informative video, nice :)

This was a good overview, thanks.

Holy moly, that's pretty wild how dramatic the changes were between each edition.

Awesome video as always, Austin. Just a tip: you could separate a chapter between 4:40 and 8:20 (more or less) since it's when you go more in-depth with the mechanics, since people who never played the game before may feel a bit lost.

Great video as always! Are you going to be doing a comparison video on the Front Mission remakes?

You did Excellent job comparing all TO game 👍, as someone who play PS1, PSP and now PC i do believe Reborn is the definitive version of Tactics Ogre and I'm glad you mentioned "One Vision", OV is the one keep making me replaying Tactics Ogre on PSP ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ for the video.

Honestly, the differences seem to be so vast that I kinda want to play all three, it's almost like having three different games with the same story

@MrVariant

Жыл бұрын

0:15 a lot is recycled with stories from tactics ogre to final fantasy tactics. Lancelot tartaros has the eyepatch on a different eye for art and sprite in reborn. It's too easy except for suicidal AI (if your guest dies it is permanent, and you dont get AI options until about 8 battles in) that rushes enemies (counterattacks to spears or ranged will do friendly fire to an ally just in front), and they won't buff your characters/monsters do ranged attacks, and bows outside range which is manually done through line of sight. Crafting is 100% and you can flip baldur blowguns by reselling at a higher price for infinite money (and making fruit of the adept).

@AmodeusR

Жыл бұрын

Indeed. I was thinking of playing the PSP version first, but the visuals of the original Supet Nintendo/Sega Saturn version interests me more, thus is very likely I'll be playing every version of this game in different moments haha

@MrVariant

Жыл бұрын

@@AmodeusR I just beat the final boss and the end game marathon is tedious as you can't restock for a dozen battles without doing it again and the final battle needs prep (ease spell for stun, max out bombs for beast tamers to have 4 shots of 200-300 damage with lobber from afar, and fruit of the seraph for faster finishing moves and magic he will steal) while it won't save your changes, which is stupid. Chariot tarot can only help so much with RNG. No way I'd play this or star ocean again, but at least they patched Lanselot Tartaros' eyepatch, pun intended, as the art and game sprite had different eyes before.

@steel5897

Жыл бұрын

That's exactly what it is. Reborn is a tactical masterpiece, but the PSP version feels a lot more like a deep RPG you can sink hundreds of hours into. Very different games.

@MrVariant

Жыл бұрын

@@steel5897 reborn takes about 50 hours to end, and multiple paths though redoing battles for anchor points postgame (and those stronghold battles anywhere more than 4 let alone blue crystals/ocean moving is hard to see) is stupid rather than take you right to where you made that choice (I could make separate save files anyway so it is not a real feature). You just have better crafting, fast forward, voice acting/remastered sound. But yes time used is filler (no idea how people put up with dragon quest postgame except maybe underused dq swords), especially if you have a revert to leveling a late game plot one handed sword for the final battle. What defines a masterpiece? I feel it's unfair to final fantasy 2 to get ragged on for its cryptic bs, or ff3 for forced jobs when tactics ogre and chrono trigger do the same bs (haste go brr, but don't use marle for lavos as haste helm won't waste turns he can negate immunity or characters that enemies have magic resistance to their element).

great video! thank you!

Thank you for this comparison. I have it on my wish list on PS5 and I think I'll get it after watching this video :).

I watched this before getting the game and was kinda worried about some changes (specially not having Lobber on my Valk anymore...), but i just fell in love with this game again. Getting a new unit and using it right away is HUGE, it was a real struggle before with the class levels thing. Reborn is really good, i got lots of things to love about it, even coming from LUCT

Reborn has been doing very well sales-wise from what I've seen! It would be great to see Ogre Battle and Ogre Battle 64 return as well, even if it's just releasing them on Nintendo Switch Online. Ultimately though, I'm really hoping to see that rumoured FF Tactics remaster and then Vagrant Story!!

@fernandozavaletabustos205

Жыл бұрын

Do you have a source on this?

@imaginatedepoch

Жыл бұрын

@@fernandozavaletabustos205 FF tactics remaster is from an nvidia leak, together with ff9 remake that the public has been waiting for to be announced. Vagrant, however is maybe the commenter’s wish.

@TheCrazierz

Жыл бұрын

Or or or.... a NEW orge battle game

@KasumiRINA

Жыл бұрын

@@imaginatedepoch a clean FF Tactics on PC is long overdue, tired of emulating, but there's a good phone version too... older Ogre games need a re-release more.

@thelegacyofgaming2928

Жыл бұрын

They need to fix the lag/slow gameplay in FFT. A 4x speed up button is needed for that game for me to play it again

You should play the version that allows you to steal your guest weapons in the beginning! I remember doing that back in the day 😅

Thank you for sharing!

The one SE franchise that when it re-releases, it goes out of its way to be definitive and not just rely on gimmicks or half baked attempts knowing they can get away with it. Of course Matsuno is involved so not surprising.

thanks for this summary.

Great video!

Wow i didn't think I would see such a thorough and high quality comparison between the games. I just dusted off the psp version I had laying around because i'm too broke to buy Unicorn Overlord but seeing all the cool stuff that got reworked in Reborn makes me want to get that first lol. Its pretty crazy how many times they want to remake this game I guess it's that one game the developers just have too many ideas or ones that conflicted with the current systems that they just always want to try pushing for a better version of their idea of the best game. I wish FFT would get a remake as bold this when they finally decide to do it it's been too damn long!

I tried to find a detailed explanation of what changes they made in Reborn, and this is exactly what I needed. In fact you went well and beyond my expectations. For me, with the changes, Reborn wins over the PSP version around 9 to 1. Those orchestral pieces sound so grand.

After bouncing off the PSP version with its poorly implemented mechanics like class leveling and crafting, Reborn has kind of converted me and I think I like Tactics Ogre more than even FFT now. Absolute stellar port!

been waiting for a game like this for a while

What a complete video ty

Wow, such a detailed review, with enough depth. I played a lot of the original SNES and PS1 version and I didnt get on the train of the PSP version bc I can't play gamplay broken games. I guess my intuition of consumer was right and in the end the conceptor, Matsuno, made yet another version to warrant the fact the psp version is a kind of FF7: remove difficulty, adds customability until the game loses its essence.

This is an excellent video, clearly with a lot of love for the game. Looks like the switch version is my pick - thanks for the excellent analysis.

The piccolo player in Blasphemous Experiment is the Tactics Ogre equivalent of Epic Sax man. I didn't know they live recorded with an orchestra for reborn, amazing. This is how square should do all of their remasters.

i aint a lucky guy, all i ever had from these consoles was just psx. but i had the chance to try its psp version by using emulator. but hell. nothings gonna change my love to its psx version. i never forget every character name (which later makes me to feel the psp one was weird due to their name changes). man. how tine flies but this game stays in my memory... 😊

Now I noticed how the One Vision mod is very appreciated in the PSP version. Almost every Reborn feature is in there.

@thelegacyofgaming2928

Жыл бұрын

Without the level cap and with the freedom of random battles. Gotta say the one vision mod is better at this point

"You can pause mid-cutscene to change the VO to Japanese if you want" is a fantastic detail

Really didn't expect this many differences, I kind of ignored the Reborn version over the last few months.

The PSP version is probably my favorite game of all time. I really didn't care for Reborn, though I wanted to love it, it just did a lot of things I just wasn't down with which was a shame. Glad people are into it and bringing more eyes onto Tactics Ogre though. I'm quite happy to stick with the PSP version while people play the Reborn version. More choice is always a good thing.

@thelegacyofgaming2928

Жыл бұрын

Ditto. Can't get over the recruitment changes and random battles gone and level cap and graphic filter etc.. Not a bad game, but just doesn't have the magic of the PSP version, despite me hating the leveling system in the PSP version.

Future note for crisis core. Characters feature their remake designs but not in the cgi cutscenes and the prerendered cutscenes had deliberate visual/graphical effects that weren't easily achieved in real-time in engine so the Reunion versions of those scenes lack those flourishes. (Like sephiroths sword having a glow and Zacks sword being cut through with a heat effect for example) I felt those were the 2 recurring things that might get missed due to me seeing zero mentions of it. The game doesn't really seem to have a notable community to get these tiny things discussed

Loving the fact that when catiua gets killed, you could see another catiua in the background with Denam !

Fyi tactics ogre psp One Vision is widely recognized as one more version of this game, even with reborn release it still stands on its own

@misterymisterio8778

Жыл бұрын

True. I went back recently to play it on my emulator and its still amazing.

@chazmaru9583

Жыл бұрын

Sure but if he starts including unofficial mods, the FF-related comparison videos’ watch time will be roughly 76 days long.

Thank you for this masterpiece video about this masterpiece game!

I've never played the PSP version, only the PS1 and now the Reborn. I which Reborn kept some of parts of the skills system from PSP, because the auto-skill system is too much RNG based (like, if your mage don't proc Meditate you lose a turn; if your Cleric don't proc Mother's Blessing he/she cannot heal properly). Otherwise, i feel like the Reborn is the definitive version of this game i love so much!!

The original is da best for me. Those SFX and freedom of character customization is so fresh. Also Training Mode. Maybe lacking in QoL but it has lots of soul.

I grew up playing Tactics Ogre: the Knight of Lodis on GBA and actually never played any version of Let Us Cling Together until Reborn. It took me a really long time to get used to not having full control over the order I move my units since KoL had the two teams taking turns, and there are some other mechanics that I miss, but overall I'm loving the much greater depth and balancing of Reborn! It's exciting to finally be discovering another chapter of the Ogre Battle saga.

@GoodGuyJim

Жыл бұрын

KoL was great in its own right and did just enough different to feel fresh in a game that otherwise looks like the original. The emblem system was so cool and allowed for some organic unit growth and customization.

@clementtodd4040

Жыл бұрын

@@GoodGuyJim Agreed! KoL will always have a special place in my heart.

I was worried going into this video that my long-held belief that Tactics Ogre's archer class being completely broken was just my own opinion from anecdotal experience, but no, here we have the science video man confirming what I already knew. Thank you for assuring me that I'm not crazy

Rogue was my main class. Guess I'll leave this as a memory. Thnx for the detailed comparison.

Orge battle March of the black queen was the first rpg i ever played and it blew my mind. Never played the other games but im thinking of getting the new remake

Nice of you to point out One Vision, but it would also have been nice to mention that Reborn was the first time that the (text of the) game was available in French, German, Spanish, Chinese and Korean. Given how much text there is in this game, as you rightly pointed out, it's noteable.

Good job! Could you do the same video about Langrisser?

The fan translation patch for the Sega Saturn version of Tactics Ogre was recently released. The fan translation transcribed the English script from the PSP version. Aeon Genesis’ fan translation of the Super Famicom version transcribed the English script from the PS1 version.

@XeviousvSBlackmanta

11 ай бұрын

Ohhhh? The Saturn version has an Eng patch now? Gonna have to pick that up

The whole Ogre Battle series has such great and fun games!

Honestly I wish they had an option to turn off the sprite blur in Reborn, the original sprites look so much better

@thelegacyofgaming2928

Жыл бұрын

Pixel art ages like fine wine. It never goes bad (unless you play gen 1 of pokemon)

@PaulvonOberstein

2 ай бұрын

@@thelegacyofgaming2928 Hey, a lot of the Pokemon sprites for the U.S. Red/Blue still look pretty good, although the original Japanese Red/Green sprites looked ridiculous even in 1998.

Played the ps1.. just yesterday finished the psp version for the 3rd time.. i think im gonna play reborn next.. man i love this game 😂

I'm stoked for when this game drops to under $20. I still own it on PS1, but haven't played it in at least 12 years, and am looking forward to voice acting.

Now I don't feel so bad having the PS1, PSP, and PS4 versions. Sounds like enough differences to make each a new enough experience. Experiences that I will have...eventually. Backlog is kinda huge.

@xOmniCloudx

Жыл бұрын

Ditto

@thomasffrench3639

4 ай бұрын

I just wish that the original versions were available.

I hope more games of Ogre Battle are being developed, whether they are remasters / remakes or completely new ones.

I miss Ogre Battle : (

Definitely gonna wishlist this game on steam.

I enjoyed finial fantasy tatics, i never heard of this game until the other day as i don't spend much time in the jrpg or jstrat genre. I must be some sort of outlier as i in the right mood like extreme depth and what others would call tedium. More story and added quests is always welcome and rewrites for bad translation or silly lines make sense when going from one language/culture to another, i honestly don't know how many times i've ended up laughing myself out of my chair due to a badly translated line delivery...BUT, not at the cost of gameplay! There are a few words that put me off of a game "made for modern audience" "streamlined" "more accessible" "removed features" Update all the graphics you want, help me better translate what the char is trying to say, i'm not a pureist, but leave the damn gameplay in tact aside from bug fixing or reworking a UI. This video was very helpful for me to narrow down the version to play.

@linkzz00

Жыл бұрын

I like your mindset. Which did you chose?

@kanetombs1275

Жыл бұрын

@@linkzz00 thanks. Yeah I went with the original and then if I want to come back to it later down the line I'll pick up the remake.

Awesome details. How many copies of Reborn do you think this video sold lol

I’d choose Reborn for its rendition of the soundtrack. In Reborn, the soundtrack is arranged with a live orchestra, as opposed to MIDI. The PSP version of Tactics Ogre has synth samples good enough to be mistaken for actual instruments, but nothing beats live orchestra. Hitoshi Sakimoto and company extended the composition of most of the music tracks for the PSP version. These changes to the composition have been carried over to the new Reborn version. The SNES and PSOne versions have obviously synthy soundtracks, though it sounded great for its time. The Saturn version of the soundtrack stands between the PSOne and PSP versions. I refer to the PSP version as a revision. The original SNES version was developed and published by Quest Corporation, which has been swallowed by Square Enix. The Saturn version was published by Riverhillsoft, which has been swallowed by Althi, Inc. The PSOne version was developed by Quest Corporation and published by Artdink (which is known for the Sword Art Online series) in Japan and by Atlus USA in North America. The PSP version was developed and published by Square Enix. The Reborn version was developed by Algebra Factory (which also worked on Dragon Quest Treasures) and Square Enix and published by Square Enix.

@xblood-_xdiamond8801

Жыл бұрын

I agree with you on the soundtrack, with one exception: Coronation sounds hideous in this version of the game imo.

@davidhill8565

Жыл бұрын

@@xblood-_xdiamond8801 Maybe you prefer either the PSP version or the original SNES version of “Coronation.” The Reborn version is longer than the PSP version.

I have this game's rom for all releases. But after watching this video, I will buy this game on steam for my deck.

very good

Damn. I have this on Sega Saturn thx to the MODE, and I’m about to order the Switch Reborn. I wanted to start with the OG but Reborn is just beautiful.

*I love Scanlines, so i favorite the SNES Version "emulated" with Scanlines ;)*

How does the Chaos ladder work though? Is it still going to be near impossible to recruit that Galgastan necromancer?

Thanks for this! As someone who bought Tactics Ogre on PSP but never even launched it, I think Reborn is the one for me, but I really can't stand what was done to the sprites. I really hope fan modders are working on the Steam version to make them look better.

i could really feel austin's pain when he talked about how good archers are now in reborn rofl

@Ravnesss

Жыл бұрын

People have a weird hardon for archers.

@AICW

Жыл бұрын

Archers were ultra-broken in the original game, so it's just going back to how they should be. Having a team of 2 or even 3 Archers as a quick reaction force is a game changer in every battle.

@thelegacyofgaming2928

Жыл бұрын

LOL the PSP version archers flashback 😂

I dont remember which version I played, either SNES or PS1 but this game was awesome.

So Reborn Is 1080p/60fps on all plataforms? No native 4K on PS5? Seems like i should get It on PS4 for máximum compatibility? Switch Is tempting too.

Thank you for mentioning One Vision. To me, I think that's the best version of the game. Maybe... it's a tough call between OV and Reborn. But if you even remotely dislike key aspects of Reborn like the cards or union level, then OV is by far the best, don't even think about it. Tricky thing with me is that I love both of them for different reasons, so it's hell picking which to focus on.

Good to see Archers balanced. My Sara and Arycelle we cosmic entities of death and suffering obliterating every enemy.

I wish this video was like, 30mins longer with more bitty gritty stuff. Great job tho

This games feels super complex to me, i mean, look at how many things got mentioned in this video

20:24 instant buy

Really REALLY! Praying for a Final fantasy tactics Advance 1 and 2 to get a remake. I really loved playing the first one and while I haven’t played a whole lot of 2 i still like it.