“I know a lot of people don’t use a helmet when they sport climb,” is not a great reason to not show one being packed, and also no trauma or first aid kit. Climbers should be wearing helmets and bringing first aid kits. This is a crag bag, and there is space for basics. I say this as a non helmet wearing sport climber and as someone who has patched a few significant lacerations.

@BargainBinkey

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah you’re right, and he even says there is space for it, and that it can be strapped to the outside. Do you need to watch someone else do it for you to be able to figure it out?

@zacharylaschober

3 жыл бұрын

@@BargainBinkey my comment has nothing to do with needing a demonstration of him packing and everything to do with normalizing use of a helmet for sport climbing, and hence why I mentioned first aid. Further, helmets are rigid and odd structures thus are difficult to pack, and many packs have helmet holders on the outside because of this, so unlike needing a demonstration of his car registration fitting into a guide book pocket maybe showing the helmet being packed rather than just explaining that it is possible to would be useful. This video is several minutes of him packing… you missed my point entirely but still have a ridiculous argument.

I have the Patagonia Cragsmith 40 and it does everything here plus more. It can fit an internal hydration bladder, has padded hip belts with storage pocket (only on one side though which I still think is odd), has a helmet-shaped padded pocket, top storage pocket for guide book with internal zippered pocket for small items and a key loop. It has handles for moving from one route to the other or clipping QuickDraws and dual external pockets for bottles or a clip-stick (with g-hook style straps). The only thing it’s missing is an included rope tarp; I would love a Patagonia rope tarp.

I really like the fact that that Camp pack opens from the back meaning the back and straps don't get ground into the dirt when you put it down.

@carefulcarrot

3 жыл бұрын

I know 3 packs that also do that. They don't look like the Camp but they do look like one another: lowe alpine rogue (I have and am happy with it), patagonia crag smith (seems they only make it in 32L now which would def be too small IMO), Mammut neon gear. They all have top entry and back entry. I lay it down in the dirt/sand/rock and leave it open. Packing up tend to shove it all in the top entry so I can get out of there.

I did heaps of research on climbing packs, decided on the Lowe Alpine 48 (different style than in video but same line) Hard to find many reviews on it online but it looked good from what I did see and found it on sale online. Very happy with it. Tempted to enter the world of video reviews...

As someone with a similar backpack issue, Matt why must you be such an enabler! 😂 I currently have a blue ice koala for my rope bag that’s shove into the bottom of a BD creek 50 and then I just pile everything else on top. Everything with a carabiner is clipped onto a little cordellette sling. That outcast looks so nice though.. 😩

i own the outcast and absolutely love it. The only thing I would improve would be to add some outside loops. Not because they are necessary but for comfort. Sometimes it is good to get the helmet out early because of rockfall or just to add smelly climbing shoes and dusty chalk bag to the outside.

@OriginalDestro

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly!!! Also own outcast and I love everything about it (spacious, comfortable, VERY durable, great materials, smart, imo very nice colour-wise, ...) but I really miss some outside loops to the extend that I was thinking of adding some myself...

@delmi2023

Жыл бұрын

@@OriginalDestro is this also waterproof?😅

Make your buddy carry the rope, then you can just use a normal 18L day hiking bag lol

@dailyclimbing

3 жыл бұрын

The dream!

I was looking for this video a couple of days ago and was surprised you haven't uploaded one yet.

I dig the hip Support and the fact that when your in alpine terrain and you need to access something Not everything is going to fall out when you open it.

I think DMM Backpack Flight is a very similar crag bag like Lowe Alpine Outcast and the price is roughly the same as well

@ZeSP

3 жыл бұрын

I have one and absolutely adore it. At the time it was the only one that had propper waist and externum straps. Just wish It had some extra compression straps. The helmet carry mesh is a life saver in terms of space

@Tacchi3

3 жыл бұрын

@@ZeSP for some reason i can't understand, they removed the helmet mesh from the new (2020) model :/

@yuryshamardin1310

3 жыл бұрын

+100500, one of the best backpacks!

All these bags should come with a helmet clip, my osprey pack has one and its super convenient for attaching a helmet to a pack. its just so good and simple it should be standard.

Creek 35 is where it’s at. Durable, well designed and spacious pack. An absolute must have in my book

I have the bd 120L duffle and I like it, it’s not great for long hikes but I can fit myself in there

what would interest me would be bags for trad climbing, there was one from dmm thats been discontinued with a gear bucket that sounded like a bril idea

Grivel rocker (and quechua before) - one and only the best!

What about the Deuter back pack? Really like it and have been using it for a while :)

DMM Classic is the true answer!

@M0dElite

3 жыл бұрын

It's good for short sessions but sadly it doesn't hold everything in that list if you need a 60 m rope. For example, for a full day at the crag I cannot fit enough water and food in it or a jacket if one is needed.

Can the Lowe Alpine Outcast fit 2 trad racks?

my personal favorite is the Mountain Hardwear Cragwagon

Love the show!!

I have the mountain hardware crag wagon and love it

Got a Black Diamond Creek 50. Huge, absolute bomber and if you need to haul even more shit hire some Sherpas to help you out. If that's to much space get the Creek 35.

What about that tendon backpack of yours?

I wish there were packs with more organizational pockets instead of just big cavernous empty sacks to stuff everything in

I don't get bags which require the back being put in the potentially wet dirt to access the content.

None of these quite do it for me. I usually bring more than one pair of climbing shoes as well as more food and layers. I also sometimes bring a knee pad or a whole trad rack. None of these packs quite have enough room for all my stuff!

@iancameron6457

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed I'd love to see a comparison between the slightly larger packs like the BD creek 50 and and 48l Lowe alpine

Not to sound stupid, but what is the difference between these kind of packs and alpine/mountaineering ones?

@iancameron6457

3 жыл бұрын

Pretty different use cases alpine packs are smaller and for less stuff, for me an alpine pack is half the size and weight of a pack for the crag. Something you can wear and comfortably climb in while wearing

Thanks for putting this review together! Have you tried the mountain hardwear crag wagon 45L?

@zacharylaschober

3 жыл бұрын

I have, feature set was great but not a comfortable carry, which is an issue I have heard from others. Removing the back panel helped, and I think the removable hip belt just isn’t worthwhile for the loss of stability when we are talking a framed and sheeted pack. As well, the compression wing inside is neat but wanted straps outside which there are sewn loops to add but shouldn’t have to. Just too much to be changed.

Obrigado por compartilhar! Saudações! (Brasil)

DMM or BD will work better, but they are more expensive.

boreal rambla!

Blue ice Octopus is the best

Mammut Neon Gear 45L, anyone?

Bd stone 42

One year later they are 50% more expensive 🙁

@PaoloCaglioLMT

Жыл бұрын

Actually I just noticed that the Lowe Alpine Outcast 44 is sold by epic tv shop at 104€ but under the brand RAB... what does that mean?