lets all appreciate brother Luke hiking 4 miles with 50+ pounds of gear just for the sake of viewers (and probably know which pack is better). Great video, keep up the great work, and thank you 🙏

@boomboothofgames725

5 жыл бұрын

Filbe

@raygunreagan2274

5 жыл бұрын

jack cheung only 4 miles with 50 try 50 miles with 50

@cthulhu6697

5 жыл бұрын

@@raygunreagan2274 Try however far you need to get to a safe-ish rest spot carrying a full ILBE (with a full assault pack attached), plus a full combat load,(Tac vest, weapons , ammo ,mags, meds, med supplies, hydration bladder, field rations, pistol belt, rifle, primary handgun, backup handgun, extra ammo in ruck, sleep system, the various "goodies" you need, etc......). I train with my gear/supplies/equipment and weapons and I'm a chronic pain sufferer in my mid 40s. If I can, you can.

Luke- you have to keep in mind that the FILBE was designed to wear in conjunction with a Marine's full issue of body armor, which it does well. The ILBE was designed after an Arcteryx Bora which is a backpacking rig meant to be up against the body. I'm in the military and I can tell you that the more traditional Alice pack frames do better when wearing body armor with full size ESAPI plates. I also have an ILBE and a tactical tailor Recon ruck (similar to FILBE) and when I am in full kit the Recon is better. Just food for thought.

I used both in the Marine Corps. The ilbe for me was far more comfortable. The filbe could carry more but I hated it. The plastic frame would break easily with all the weight we carried if you weren't careful. After a long hike or patrol you just want to throw the pack down, doing that you risk breaking the frame.

Someone probably already mentioned it but try them both while wearing Esapis. From someone who has done it, FILBE all the way.

Consider too that the FILBE was also designed to be used when wearing a Armor System.

@mountainghost556

7 жыл бұрын

AppalachianGunSlinger You caught that to good job.

@thorne79us

7 жыл бұрын

AppalachianGunSlinger yep wearing a pack with 30 plus pounds of armor ammo and other crap is always a pain

@redfernsoljah

7 жыл бұрын

Rebel Bushcraft I am sure that is exactly what the Marines had in mind when they chose this design. Amphibious assaults on a lake front in canoes while camping.

@ironbloods1456

6 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. The ILBE is a militarized version of the Arc'Teryx Bora 80 pack -- a civilian mountaineering pack. It's pretty comfortable, but totally sucked ass over armor. The MOLLE II and FILBE are made for wearing over armor, and work well. Not to mention if you ever had to go to ILBE hell with the damned assault pack hanging as far away from your back as possible on the main ruck with all the heavy ammunition and water in it, you quickly discover the design flaw....

@redriverscout4404

6 жыл бұрын

If that is the main difference between the two what on earth were they thinking with the ILBE. What kind of moron designs a modern military rucksack without taking armour into account. I mean body armour has been around since Korea.

As a Marine, a typical daily combat loadout would be around 85 pounds, however that weight is NOT all in the pack, that 85 pounds includes our rifle, helmet, plate carrier, and loaded pack. When we do a full loadout for a long duration mission the 3-day assault pack would be clipped to the lid of the ruck sack, and in the desert at least one 3-liter hydration pouch would be attached to the outside of the ruck sack (typically I carried 2 hydration packs) plus the 3-liter bladder inside the assault pack. For those missions, when you are fully loaded for bear, we will typically be carrying between 150-175 pounds depending on which main weapon system you have and the required ammunition for said weapon system. Now that I am no longer in the military I am starting to get back into camping and backpacking, and I use the FILBE system with the same equipment that I used while in the Corps. It’s not the lightest equipment by any means, but it is built like a tank and you never have to worry about the gear failing you out on the trail so the additional weight is acceptable. My typical camping backpack loadout is actually heavier now than my typical combat loadout was as I now want my creature comforts included in there along with my normal military gear like my folding cot, folding solar panel, electric water filter/pump, redundant manual water filters, GPS receiver, satellite phone, HF/VHF/UHF radio, air mattress in addition to the accordion pad, folding table, collapsible toilet, freestanding shower/utility tent to be used as a head, etc. As they say, travel light, freeze at night.

The FILBE is the improved version over the ILBE pack based on feedback from the marines. To be fair, I believe, had you properly adjusted the frame, the FILBE would have been the winner. I use to run with the large alice pack, fully loaded around 100 lbs, for (2) miles. Note: more of a trot after a short time doing the rucksack shuffle. I also owned the FILBE, and switched to the FILBE for my camping needs. Just my opinion based on many years of living from such a pack. Thank you for the video and your efforts, I really enjoy watching.

@Echo4PapaBravo

7 жыл бұрын

After having used both in some very shitty countries, I would agree with this. Semper Fi

@tylerclark1801

6 жыл бұрын

I also see a lot of marines put Alice pack frames in their FILBE

@michaelparkin8216

5 жыл бұрын

FILBE was not setup right for him I agree, you can see it in the video

@TaKevinT

5 жыл бұрын

@@tylerclark1801 Yeah one of my buddy uses an Alice Frame on his FILBE to do ruck runs. That thing was tight.

@BFGraebner101

5 жыл бұрын

possibly late reply, In my opinion, The ILBE pack is horrid for Military use. However, he did not adjust either pack properly. a Tight pack is a light pack. I have used ILBE and FILBE in the military, I have spent 6+ in the STA platoon. I have used ALICE packs ALOT. I prefer a Large Alice, with mods from Tactical Tailor. I use different shoulder straps and Blet, (NOT FROM TACTICAL TAILOR) they are good and comfortable. But they do break under EXTREME heavy loads. I dislike the FILBE's plastic frame, it makes too much noise underload. But comfort wise without gear. The ILBE would win between these two for comfort. I use one for my Hiking trips. But when im doing the shooting challenges out there. a Large ALICE wins the day IMO. LOL but this is based off of Opinion.

Great review, thanks for making the vid. Like some others have said, the FILBE is actually more comfortable with a plate carrier. ILBE slick is preferable all day long ( as you found out). Cheers.

Used a medium ALICE in my day. I purchased the ILBE to carry tools, hunting gear, and other irregular loads. I haven't cut off any straps or other features on the pack. In fact, I added a few accessory pouches (black) to the outside. I helped some friends on an elk hunt several years ago. Packed out portions of 3 elk from a steep canyon. The final hump was carrying an elk quarter from the bottom of that canyon. It was getting dark, and my buddy gave me a rear quarter. The ILBE and its adjustment allowed me to strap the load down, so it didn't move. Important since the hike also involved climbing some sections of rock. My knees won't tolerate that type of hike anymore.

Do a 10 mile ruck in each one. Do them a week apart from one another so you're fresh on both rucks. That'll give you a better idea of which one performs better. I've used both and the alice. Now I use the alice above any of the others.

@ShibbyMcCleud

Жыл бұрын

If you didn't already know, the filbe ruck is actually compatible with alice/malice frames.

@davidbrunner4413

Жыл бұрын

@@ShibbyMcCleud that's actually the best thing you can do to upgrade the FILBE packs in my opinion, put the FILBE main bag on a MALICE frame

lets all appreciate brother Luke hiking 4 miles with 50+ pound gear just for us. Great video, keep up the great work, and thank you 🙏

Bravo Luke! Doing those back to back hikes up a hill with 50-60lbs load is tough. I usually carry 50-60lbs when I go backpacking so I know how you feel. Thanks for putting in the effort for a good review.

The ILBE versus the Eberstock Battleship. They seem to be similar in shapes. But, you did look very comfortable when you tested the ILBE! Mike

My Uncle was a Gunny and hated wearing body armor with the ILBE with an LBV or nothing on at all the ILBE was the most comfortable pack he used in the Marines even with 120+ pounds on it, the FILBE was less comfortable by itself but integrated well with body armor and was a shorter but fatter ruck so its all about personal preference

the reason the Marine corps created the tan backpack the FILbe system was because the ilbe while even though it was a bomb-proof pack. It wasn't that easy to use with body armor.so the FILbe is designed for that purpose.without body Armor the ilbe is the better pack for hiking and general civilian purposes

hey luke. greetings from Greece..my choice would be ILBE vs dutch army large rucksack(lowe alpine saracen)..

I mounted the FILBE on a Särma TST RP80 frame, the pack rides higher and everything feels more connected. Comfortable with 80 lbs on a week long hike or just moving stuff around. Not the cheapest option, but way cheaper than buying something new with similar capabilities.

I have an ILBE with the assault pack and 3ltr bladder system. You can mold the aluminum strips (frameless supports) to fit you specifically. That said, I have an Eberlestock Skycrane 2 that I use for most applications. I’m glad I have both. Thanks for loading up and putting in the work for your VS.

I love my ILBE pack, so much I bought the 3 day pack also. I got the wife the FILBE 3 day pack. I have not used it but I can say one thing it doesnt seem built nearly as tough.

The gen 2 ilbe keeps the load closer to your body. The weight is close and distributed upwards. The filbe the load is further outward on your back and you have to fight the feeling of being pulled backwards by gravity. That gives a feeling of "two steps faward and one step back" the more you add in the filbe,the further outward it sticks away from your back. With the ilbe the pack stays closer in to your body but the load is more upwards. But you can adjust the ilbe downwards when fully loaded to balance things to a sweet spot.

I used to ride freight trains with the ILBE. definitely the most comfortable pack i've owned out of dozens of different packs. I lived out of the thing for years my only complaint was the waist strap is bulky and annoying at times. the filbe definitely looks a little more awkward when worn, thanks for doing the test so i dont have to! :D

@tomcatt998

Жыл бұрын

i hv never owned a backpack that was too big BUT i hv owned plenty that were too small

I love my ILBE pack, had for 2 years and it always my first choice, just ordered a FILBE from the states as they are very rare here in the UK. Will let you know what I think of it. Great channel.

@charlieslaughter9259

3 жыл бұрын

Ian Parry what was your opinion on the FILBE and which did you like better out of the two?

@lcm7541

Жыл бұрын

Update?

I have both packs as well. I like the ILBE, but i use it to pack out deer in meat sacks now. I would prefer the ILBE if the sleep compartment was separate, but I hate the "one large opening" . If i cinch up my FILBE, it rides just fine, but you for sure can't leave it loose and flopping(as with any pack).

I use ilbe for years and it's just great, both literally and figuratively.

FILBE was coming into service just after I got out bit from what buddies and other Marines have said is the frame had lots of issues. It would flex and bend under a heavy load and during cold weather/arctic training it would crack. Also heard the FILBE frame consistently cracks at certain "stress points". These are all claims from other people and my own research and not based on my personal experience with FILBE so take it for what it's worth. My main experience is with ALICE & ILBE. I have a large ALICE modified by Tactical Tailor and it's fantastic! In my opinion ALICE is queen... light, durable and with so many after market mods/upgrades out there it can be built to whatever your heart desires. ILBE was good as long as you didn't wear body armor. With armor on ILBE didn't sit right against the body and I felt it moved around a bit too much. If you're "slick" then ILBE was a great fitting pack and, when adjusted correctly, was incredibly comfortable when carrying heavy loads. For a civilian hiking/camping pack I'd recommend the ILBE but add the FILBE sustainment pouches for extra & external storage. For the military/preper/tactical minded individuals I'd go with ALICE. If I had to deploy or serve again I'd use ALICE.

Thanks for your review, and efforts in doing this. I've been looking for something better than the MOLLE, and looks like I've found it, with your help. Thanks again!

Amazing versus! I have the ILBE and I can tell that is the best 70l rucksack that I own. I am not very tall and it is perfect for me. Great video and greetings from Spain!

@ContraIsBased

2 жыл бұрын

el armazon interno de la ilbe se dobla facil?

Luke, great test! But, you're using the ILBE Gen 1 pack. The Gen 2 has a better airflow around your back and is a bit more adjustable. I also think the hipbelt on the Gen 2 is more comfortable. You can tell them apart by the coloring of the inside of the hipbelt, the buckles and back panel. On Gen 1 they're black, and on Gen 2 they're tan. IMHO, Gen 2 is more comfortable than Gen 1. Haven't tried the FILBE. Although I'm looking at as much lightweight gear as I can for a thru attempt of the PCT, I'm still considering the ILBE Gen 2 simply because of it's comfort level in carrying heavy loads. And I'm only looking at it for the desert section where I may have to carry as much as 7 liters of water at any one time. My base load will be around 12 - 14 lbs., but total load could reach 40 - 45 with water/food. Don't necessarily want to do that with a Zpacks Arc Haul or Osprey Exos 48. Still up in the air about it. Thanks for the comparison! Cheers! DonP

I'm blown away that you hiked out like that. Just WOW.

The filbe is just a copy of the then current molle ruck but with the paratrooper frame. Mystery ranch didn't give much input in the suspension design, just the bag. The military just doesn't get that they need to have a taller frame to help get that weight off of there shoulders/spine and carry it more on the hips. A simple taller frame and shoulder strap load lifter system would have saved the backs of many of our service members.

@isaachousley325

5 жыл бұрын

Im going to disagree with you there. In the military, your heaviest load is in your assault pack (water, ammo, ect). While the main pack of the filbe is short and stout, the assualt pack attaches to the top of the main pack, where as molle, molle ii, and ilbe all attach to the rear of the ruck. The filbe's bottom compartment is also designed for the sleep system, which is generaly the least dense piece of gear, putting the weight up higher.

Keep up the good work. I really dig your font. With Red and Black. Stands out, Clean and easy to see on the screen. For whatever thats worth..

My main winter pack is the ILBE. Carries a ton.

@Echo4PapaBravo

7 жыл бұрын

And yet, not as much as the FILBE. Semper Fi

See how the Alice stacks up to both of those packs thanks again love all the good content

@aleksfoxtrot8044

4 жыл бұрын

It will stand up better. But it will not ne as comfortable. Not NEARLY as comfortable. My preferred back is a medium alice. I like how it loads out and how easy it is to get to everything. But I have scars on my back from ruck marches in it.

Luke, I'd really love to see your thoughts on a Hellcat Alice. I did that mod to mine and it really helped. I enjoy mine so much more now.

you looked more comfortable walking in the ilbe great test

@Zack_Darce

7 жыл бұрын

Adam Cook agreed

Warrior assault systems x300 pack you should check out excellent quality and is a tier 1 product also Blackhawk packs highly recommended

Hi Luke, thanks for the valuable information, I was leaning towards the ILBE anyways and at least it's somewhat of a camo pattern. I hate the new Coyote (crap brown) equipment. I guess they chose that color since we are doing all our fighting in the desert now??? guess that color would be good if your trying not to be seen at the beach.. Would like to see the ILBE vs the ALICE Hellcat.

I like the ILBE w/ my ghillie suite. Slides right over no prob. Either way. Packs provide webbing for cover protection, keep ya hidden in plain sight. Love it.

FILBE hands down for me. I've had both. FILBE, FILBE, FILBE. Not even close. It's basically Mystery Ranch VS Arc'Teryx. They are both GREAT packs, but the FILBE is the hybrid of the ALICE, MOLLE II, ILBE and some of Mystery Ranch's packs. It's the best of all worlds. The loadout of the FILBE is supposed to be spread across your back. It's designed that way.

@derbybushcraftandoutdoors3176

7 жыл бұрын

Me to

@tankrust1

7 жыл бұрын

Yankee same for me

@YankeeWoodcraft

7 жыл бұрын

I've had 100+ pounds in my ILBE on a move once. I couldn't believe that I could walk with that thing. It's a great pack. But 80lbs in my FILBE felt like nothing on my back relatively speaking. You could tell it was back there, but the pack worked so good for me and my body type. I have a test with packs & loadouts. If I can squat and come back up without losing my balance, if I can get up from off my back with it on, if I can learn forward and lean back without tipping over, it's a good pack. The FILBE was the best in that test. Again, it's a different loadout. Where in the ILBE, everything is packed narrow, in the FILBE, it's distributed more side to side like a mountaineer's pack. They just work differently. Right now, the 2 main packs I use are my Frost River Royale Isle and my FILBE and sometimes, I use the Gregory Z65. But I have to say the one I love the most is the FILBE for sure.

@derbybushcraftandoutdoors3176

7 жыл бұрын

I think the more weight the filbe has in it the better it carries. I have a filbe assault pack as well with the sustainment pouches mounted on the side and the admin pouch mounted on the front and it's my favorite overnight/bushcraft bag. It is comforting as well with a heavy load out.

@YankeeWoodcraft

7 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. These packs aren't designed for carrying 50lbs. It's like how an empty pick up truck doesn't ride as well as it does when it has a 1/2 ton in the bed. If someone's going to ruck 50lbs (41 in the case of the FILBE), they might as well use a 3 or 4lb backpacker's pack. Of course this doesn't undo the fact that the ILBE might be more comfortable for some at the same weight as the FILBE's load is and comfort is relative. But with 50lbs in my FILBE, it feels empty. With more than that, it settles in nice and ride like a Cadillac. That is so cool. :)

Those test will keep a fellow in good shape. Thanks I was just comparing these as they are nice for lashing work tools, hard hat, coffee cup... & heavy construction items like drills & hammers.

I would like to see the sleep system VS for each one and how they are meant to be carried with or in there pack

@isaachousley325

5 жыл бұрын

id like to see that for the ilbe. the filbe/ usmc cold weather bag training video shows how the cold weather bag fits in the filbe

That was a great comparison. Hope you do more in the future. Civilian vs Military packs would be fun. The Bora vs the ILBE pack would be interesting. Mt. BORA is the highest mountain in Idaho. It's near McKay Idaho. You can climb it without technical gear, a hike, on a trail. Quite fun but steep in places. McKay is a fun town, small but I love it, and has a grocery store, restaurants, and motels, or, stay at the campground at the base of Bora. All in all, a good experience.

And that is why alot of marines have refused to give up thier ilbe packs

the shell of a turtle is its skin, if you make a hole in the shell you would see organs, not the body, the shell and the rest is the body they arent separated in any way. I know in the cartoons the turtle leaves the shell but in reality there isnt a body inside the shell, you can simply search turtle anatomy and look at images and see, its cool. Thanks for the video

Luke, I would like to see you go out near a stream. Set up a tarp shelter. Set up a comfortable camp. Relax near the fire. Maybe smoke a cigar and chill out for the night or two. Cook some good chow and just relax.

Perfect timing. I have the ILBE already and was going to purchase the FILBE. I'll wait out, thx.

Keep in mind, these were designed to be used at max capacity and wearing body armor, not 40-4% of max capacity in a poly shirt. lots of movement and shifting of the weight when not fully loaded. I love the ILBE, but external frame packs are far superior when carrying heavy loads long distances. I carried a FILBE to many places.

Maybe you should consider this too the ILBE rug is lighter than the FILBE. If you want to be precise you need to carry both rugs at the same weight.

For someone who has "humped" hundreds of miles with both packs, I'd say the deciding factor comes down to how you set the pack up. 2 miles isn't going to expose anything. If he were to extend the hike or weight, the first thing he'd notice is his shoulders would start to hurt from the weight on the straps, and maybe even start to go numb. Your heaviest stuff needs to go at the bottom of the pack and close to your body in order to get that weight pushing on your hips and lighten the load on the straps. Also, we've discovered (Marines) that the FILBE has had some issues with the frame breaking in extreme cold environments under heavy loads. A reinforced replacement frame is already being fielded.

Yeah we totally have everything on the packing list. No need to weigh my pack

I`ve never tryed the FILBE, but I love my ILBE, it`s so confortable, fatly paded... It`s great for heavy loads.

Hey Luke! I would like to see ILBE vs KAJKA75. I have the same experience with the FILBE. Great Pack, i will not get rid of too, but the load swings and bounces around like if you are carrying an angry dwarf. I know the gap to your back is for the body armor (what caused problems with the ILBE) but in a civillian use every pack which stays closer to your back is better. Greetings Chris

@boomboothofgames725

5 жыл бұрын

Wear the straps tighter then. Or just wear body armour.

The filbe has also had some updates. The frames that come on the filbe have been known to crack in the cold. It is ALL PLASTIC. It also can flex and bend, and then lose its shape/ become more flimsy after extended use. The Marine Corps has started to issue a newer frame (still plastic) which doesn’t lose its rigidity after a constant flex. I’ve used the filbe for quite some time, WITH the standard frame and I haven’t had any issues really. However, One of my frames did break in Parris island. Overall, the filbe is a great pack, and it is huge.

How about a pack similar to the ILBE that has zippers that open the front of the pack all the way up so you can get to everything from the front or the top? Thanks again for all of your content!

Try putting a different frame on the flibe ruck. So many soldiers customize it. They either put the Alice frame on it or the tactical tailor malice frame. I have 3 filbe rucks and one of them I use the tactical tailor malice frame and I cudnt believe it when I felt how amazingly sturdy and solid and ultra comfort it is now. I also put on this filbe the tactical tailor shoulder straps and tactical tailor waist belt. It's a whole new beast!!! It is sooo comfortable and handles a load as I cud hardly believe. The malice frame is a new take on the Alice frame which most soldiers usually get..the malice. It's lighter stronger and more ergonomic. And the shoulder straps and waist belt by tactical tailor is a dream. I built all 3 filbes of mine from scratch buying the pieces brand new and assembling them myself..but.my tactical tailor filbe is beyond any and all expectations. Thankyou for reading.!

I have an ILBE and love it. For backpacking it is a bit too heavy for me and I went with the Osprey Atmos 65 AG. That is a wonderful pack. I'm still keeping the ILBE though.

Thanks for this! Would love to see the FILBE vs. ALICE.

FILBE is a joy to hump with your flak or plate carrier on. you can actually get the waist strap synched and everything pulled tight by yourself and find that sweet spot center of gravity. the ILBE and old interceptor flak jacket was a miserable combination to hump. with that said, when marines are carrying this pack, we always have our day pack (backpack) strapped to this main pack. the ILBE did that very well and you could pull the flaps over it and tighten it down nice and neat. the FILBE we'd just clip the daypack on the top and i remember being underwhelmed with it overall.

You should do a review of the Molle 2 rucksack. I’ve seen your preview and I’ve seen other reviews of it and people are impressed but sadly they’re not as in depth as I would like to see.

I would like to see you compare the older Molle ii rifleman pack (woodland camo, with sleep system carrier) vs the newer single unit Molle ii large rucksack (acu or ocp with integrated sleep compartment)

Luke, this is precisely why I suggested a comparison between the Savotta Large and the ILBE. Shape and size are similar as well as overall popularity. YEs, I AM leaning towards the Savotta L but every time I see anotehr video touting the ILBE's capabilities I keep getting pulled in another direction. Worth a thought at the very least... Bill Doyle in Upr Grnwd Lk, NJ

@Otis010707

11 ай бұрын

Luke, my brand new Gen II is on it's way! It cost roughly a little less than the Savotta L would have cost but I already have two Helikon E&E in Olive so I don't need pouches and ultimately the pass though sleeves and mortar pockets(like you mentioned the Savotta NOT having) clinched the deal for me! Thanks again! Bill Doyle in Upr Grnwd Lk, NJ

I wanna see a winter bushcraft video with the filbe and a diamond brand 2 man combat tent

My filbe is my go to winter bag and I have it loaded down. OHHHHH YEAHHHHH

you have convinced me guess I'm gonna buy the ilbe pack Be blessed and great video

I respect your commitment, my man!

I have the ILBE pack... very much love the pack. In fact, I can't believe how comfortable a 55 lbs. pack actually feels. Having said that... My next pack will be much lighter... I may go clear to the other end of the spectrum and do one of the Z-packs.

During my time in service I wore the filbe pack. I have no idea how many miles I have hiked with it but definitely a lot, I had heard great things about the ilbe, I wish that Pack could be brought back into the service, It's a great pack however it is not designed to be worn with body armor and I have tested this with a full combat loadout it is extremely uncomfortable to wear with kit. I have both packs one for conditioning, the other for enjoying life. I agree with your assessment of comfort.

@viper26ja79

2 жыл бұрын

@bLackstar I would definitely recommend the current issue USMC FILBE if you're planning on wearing plates while carrying the pack. It works better with a combat loadout than the ilbe. It is very bulky though you will be tempted to fill it, best advice I can give for that is don't. Pack Tight pack right. It is moderately uncomfortable without a plate carrier and has a lot of sway because of the separation between your back and the pack.

@viper26ja79

2 жыл бұрын

@bLackstar now I will say if you're packing a minimalist type plate carrier system. And it's not one of the old big bulky things I haven't had any problem with using my ilbe for that plate carrier at Short distances. Honestly I like it better with just a loading vest and there's a lot of straps on the ilbe that are almost pointless most of them I don't ever use. I fold them up and tuck them away. And the camouflage on the pack is a plus compared to the newer issue packs.

@viper26ja79

2 жыл бұрын

@bLackstar I live in a rural area so I don't really need to worry about armor as much as someone who might live in a urban area. Now do I have it? of course, I believe every red blooded American should have a sword and a shield. But I wouldn't recommend trying to wear a plate carrier and a full stock main pack while crossing through high timberlands.

Having been in the Marine Corps and having been issued both, I prefer the FILBE. The ILBE is well built but it will fuck your neck and shoulders up. It's also horrible with body armor on and it's harder to bring your head up wearing a Kevlar helmet. I'd take the FILBE over it any day. Also, if you pack it better, then it doesn't flop around like that

Thank you so much for doing this test. Now I am confident which one is the right choice. I was about to buy one of these and was really confused which one is going to fit me the best because I am a buyer from the Middle East so it is really important to me. Now I have the answer to my question. Again, I really appreciate it. 👍👍

Here's the thing. ILbe was design for the body. Filbe was designed to wear with a bullet proof vest wasn't meant to be on the body. ILbe is great for hiking.filbe great for bugging out with a vest

Your video helped me make my choice Thank

Looking at these two on army navy outdoors in 2024 and i can get their Filbe kit for the same price basically as just the ILBE

ILBE internal frame VS FILBE external frame. Just like CFP 90 internal frame and ALICE pack, MOLLE II or MOLLE 4000 external.

Awesome 👍. I would like to see you packout the ILBE since it won the test. Pack it up w/ your gear & video that too. Very cool packs

I have the ilbe.. its great for medium loads but a pain to just grab one item out of like the middle or bottom. I've had it up to like 72 lb and that's the maximum amount of camping gear I could fit in it. I'm not talking guns or severely dense items just like camping gear. It is one of the most comfortable packs I've ever used. All that being said I did order the filbe cuz I do need more room for all the squishy stuff that I just could not get into the ilbe for winter camping.

Thank you for the significant effort it took to make this video. Liked, Subscribed, checking out your other videos.

i own the ilbe pack and i love it. just make you you shop around for a good price some places are way overpriced

I got a Alice. Pack a few years ago when lived in the woods I packed everything I owned I would get another one

Hated every minute with an 80+ lbs pack on haha never gets better

The ILBE: great civilian heavy duty pack, sucks for military use. Doesn't allow for access to sleeping bag alone unless you pull everything thing out, the assault pack (generally loaded pretty heavy) attaches to the back instead of the bottom, the camel back the pack was designed for is carried in the back preventing on the move hydration, and doesn't fit well with body armor.

Carried both packs for many miles with flak/kev/rifle full load out. I always preferred the ILBE. I did not like how the FILBE sat on my lower back, no matter if it was sitting on my rear plate or below it. The ILBE was always more comfortable for me while wearing body armor. I was a forward observer, would regularly carry over 100 lbs of gear; radios, batteries, OEs, Satcom, optics, strikelink, plus all the regular food water ammo bullshit plus occasionally a THOR low band radio jammer. Gimme the ILBE all day.

Great review again. I have had both packs and I agree the ILBE seems better for me. I have been told that men under about 5' 10" to 6' in height think the ILBE fits better. It's a height thing. I like the ILBE because it's not as wide so It doesn't snag on tree branches when in the woods.

I LOVE my ILBE 1st Gen.. eBay $90..my gear is still on the heavy side so this pack really allows me the comfort you describe.. sometimes I end up trail running with a pack around 60lb and it does indeed hug to your body and almost become an extension of you.. great video luke... this is an awesome comparison.. i hope to make videos like yours sometime.. so cool.. donation coming soon!

Only reason we switched from ilbe to filbe is we adopted new body armor and the ilbe didn’t work well with it so the filbe was born. Ilbe is still better with no armor on

Eberlestock Gunslinger 2 vs Hill People Gear Ute pack.

With flack jacket, FILBE. Straight on, ILBE.

I have always liked the ilbe better than the filbe. If you get a chance the ilbe recon is even better.

Yeah: some say the Filbe has the gap to better accomodate body armor & all said, non-battle use, the gen 2 Arctaryx was nice. I have one on the way...hard to find the shoulder straps though. A good episode might be "what workd with the ilbe" say a hip belt from elsewhere with pockets or shoulder straps that work. Maybe some other brand. I saw some folks strap these sprayer harnesses on them.

I would like to see a Cannae Legion vs Maxpedition Tiburon (or riftcore) showdown. This is a classic case of David vs. Goliath (in terms of brand recognition).

Hey Luke love your reviews and lil tips and tricks keep up the good work brother!

thanks that looked like a lot of work I appreciate you for doing this I always enjoy watching your vedoes and reviews keep up with your great work wish you and yours all the very best my friend

Ironically, I am looking for a backpack that I can put over a separate flatpack being used a camelback attached to a chest rig, and the extra space on the FILBE should make that work better

I know I'm a little late to the comments but how does the ILBE compare to civilian backpacks of the same or similar size?

Marines and Soldiers carried more, not only the backpacking gear but remember..... 20lb plat carrier 3L of water 7mag of ammo (min at 1lb ish apiece) and other miscellaneous item's on top of the 75-120lb in the pack.

Now put a plate carrier on that's what the room is fore . Its not for ventilation . Was designed for man hunting putting bad guys down .

I would love to get an FILBE. I hiked with one in training and miss it. So many of them had cracked frames only recently learned theres an upggrade made for it.

You did a comparison video however could you do a molle 2 vs filbe or make a post about it? I'm inquiring about getting one.

sf predator 80-130 / filbe / ilbe / alice pack ............. I'd love to see a face off!!

You crack me up sometimes. When you do the "versus". I laughed! But seriously a good comparison for sure. I don't own either of these packs but do own a medium and a large Alice. I'd like to know how the Alice compares to the ILBE.

great review. this helps be decide for my next EDC pack.