Great video, but i highly recommend using a 24hr epoxy over the hot melt for the components. This will increase durability as well.

@jeffcordero_

Жыл бұрын

Possibly, I just use hot melt because I reuse components.

I would be interested in seeing how the hold up to a 6"x6" block of ballistic cellulose (aka a 6x6 square wood post). Kind of like if you shank it at the outdoor range and hit the bale support post or a tree in the woods, which shaft is more likely to survive and hold the insert.

@jeffcordero_

10 ай бұрын

“Ballistic cellulose” 🤣

recently switched over to the Method ZMRs and those have been amazing!

Thanks for doing this, I like your common sense unbiased approach, I shoot vap tko v1 350 spine , about 430grns and love them, never had to nock tune a broadhead with them. I won a dozen Easton match grade 4mm in a raffle and was curious which one was more durable, they seem close enough to not worry about it. I was trying to decide if I should switch over to axis 4mm. I will say the vaps have been an extremely durable arrow shaft for me, I've bent their victory 50grn outserts hitting the ground and hard stuff and just heated them up and slap on another. I also have the vapes 300 spine for a heavier set up, about 530grns, with ethics archery outserts, I had a let down mishap with them and shot a lava rock about 3 feet in front of me and nothing blew up and even the sevr broadhead handled it pretty damn good, but the tip broke off. I'm gonna give the axis a go, I think you can't go wrong with either but you gotta try new things.

@jeffcordero_

11 ай бұрын

Yea they are all very similar in durability and performance.

Loved it! A 3/4” thick board would be a cool test. It’s crazy what these particular arrows cost. “ for content, oh well”👍👍

That’s an awesome video man!!

Great vid as always. I have found that the iron will 4mm hidden inserts and collars are super durable, but I do not think they will live through a block like that. Rocks and things are no problem for them. Keep it up man

Awesome Video love the brake down.

Nice review and break down of the arrows. I like the 5mm Easton axis. I shoot it in 340 spine. 420 grains. They fly straight and they are strong

@jeffcordero_

Жыл бұрын

I shot the 5mm Axis arrows for a while. Great arrow

Great test

👍🏿 good content, great info.

Components matter more. Anything with a proper collar will do significantly better. Stock black eagle outset and a longer aluminum HIIT glued into the front would be a great option.

A cool follow up video would be to get a test kit from Valkyrie and redo the concrete test with them.

@jeffcordero_

Жыл бұрын

If they send me a kit, I’ll sacrifice an arrow or two.

I wish you'd try a black eagle deep impact vs the x impact. I hate to admit this but on a few occasions nock indexing in my basement I've missed the bag target a few at 10yds. I've had 3 stuck into the cement block being undamaged. Great video!

Nice video 👍🎯🏹 Try Valkyrie arrow setup? Pretty interesting 🤔

I use the Sirius Orion arrows with their Inserts which are Ethics. You have some choices here with the Inserts and the outserts. Stainless steel not quite as good as titanium but are included with the arrow price. 16.66 per arrow without vanes.

@jeffcordero_

Жыл бұрын

Yup. I’ve shot them before, Ethics makes awesome components!

I just built some axis 4mm's using the titanium outserts. I'm shooting 72lb, 29" draw and Easton's shaft selector recommended 250-300 spine. I went with the 250. Hope I'm not overspined. Good video as usual.

@jeffcordero_

Жыл бұрын

I was also on the line. I’ve never had a problem of being slightly overspined.

@reddawng43x91

9 ай бұрын

You a super overspined if you shoot 100g head

@torreyintahoe

9 ай бұрын

@@reddawng43x91 Nope, they shoot great.

@jeffcordero_

9 ай бұрын

I'm also shooting a 55g inset on an agressing cam. I am properly spined @@reddawng43x91

It would be interesting to see the same tests with the original/included components as a comparison. Maybe at a fresh block each shot, it looked like the VAP TKO diverted all the following arrows, causing an angled impact.

@jeffcordero_

Жыл бұрын

I wasn’t even aware that it was stuck in there. I did try and divert the shots around. Hindsight is 20/20. I should have done something different, but I don’t think it would change my results.

Victory arrows have always been great for me 😊. Out of interest Jeff can you tell me what poundage/draw length you we're shooting please?

@jeffcordero_

Жыл бұрын

30/72#

Comment for algorithm push 👍. Great video!

@jeffcordero_

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for that!

Podium also sells titanium halfouts top notch 👌🏾🏆

I shoot a victory vap ss 300 spin shot at a snake sitting on a rock and missed it at ten yards by 1/2”. Blew up the broad head and insert. Arrow was still good. Rebuilt the front end and still shooting it since last September 😂

Victory Rip tko is the best, moved away from Axis and Pierce

How do all those different nocks fit on your center serving? Or did you just use all the same nocks? Sometimes you get lucky and they all fit properly but its rare.

@jeffcordero_

Жыл бұрын

I used all the same nocks for that reason. Easton deep six nocks.

The vap was the only arrow which penetrated the block although it was destroyed

I’m still learning about this stuff…. But what about those Easton arrows made of aluminum body with a carbon fiber core? I have a 29 inch draw and was looking at getting an entry level bow like a 70 pound Sanlida X8. I heard the arrows that come with it are crap. Also the draw weight drops as the draw length drops. From what I understand I should be looking for a 300-250 spine arrow? I think they are 31 inches. Do I really need to cut them down for a 29 inch draw? Just looking for some advice as I wanna do it right the first time and not buy junk.

@jeffcordero_

Жыл бұрын

The arrows you are referring to are the EASTON FMJ (Full Metal Jacket). They are a heavy arrow if that’s what your looking for but, I have had the bend a little and they never shoot the same after that. I would go off the Easton spine chart to see what you need. But that sounds right. You don’t need to cut them, but most people do to achieve a proper arrow weight and flex.

@reddawng43x91

9 ай бұрын

I shot acc for 20 yrs aluminum core carbon outside

How did the inserts do? Still straight and reusable? I am thinking about trying them out on my Victory Vap SS 300 arrows. Great video.

@jeffcordero_

Жыл бұрын

Haven’t gotten that far, but a quick inspection, they look ok. Putting them in an arrow and spinning them will be the test

@johnnewcomb5162

Жыл бұрын

See how far you can get through the old thick telephone book, If you have one around or one pack of the copy paper. That actually works great for the impact test between arrows.

@jeffcordero_

Жыл бұрын

@@johnnewcomb5162 a phone book. What is this 1995? 🤣

@johnnewcomb5162

Жыл бұрын

@@jeffcordero_ Back in the day testing, guys would be like I will blow right through it, next thing you know they could not make it halfway through.

You should try element arrows, mamba, carbon express, altra, and G5

@jeffcordero_

11 күн бұрын

I have Altra, there is a video on the channel.

I can tell everyone this for a fact! The Easton axis long range is the only arrow of all of em that you don’t have to nock tune becuz of the accucarbon building process! There’s no seam!

Have you tried Day Six?

@jeffcordero_

Жыл бұрын

I haven’t

Victory shafts 💯💪🏾🎯🏹🏆 Shooting vaps for 30+ yrs

What did you use to wrap your handle?

@jeffcordero_

Жыл бұрын

Bowmar grip tape

@brushbandit73

Жыл бұрын

@@jeffcordero_ thanks

Try day six they are tough

I shoot a 480 and 400 grain 29 in easton bloodline. 6.8 and 7.4 total weight is around 350. With 100 grain field point different inserts

@BucksBeesS.C.

Жыл бұрын

But shoot a 2012 bear legion at 27 draw and 50 lb.draw weight

@BucksBeesS.C.

Жыл бұрын

Nothing beats a good aim. Even a field point will kill deer if you double lung shot. Practice makes the difference

@jeffcordero_

Жыл бұрын

@@BucksBeesS.C. not ethical, but I get your point 😉

@reddawng43x91

9 ай бұрын

Under spined arrow

Durability test is a wash 250s would be more durable than a 300

Best thing I did was move away from micro and small diameter back to standard with a brass insert cheaper all around easier to tune doesn't wobble over time

I love easton long range 4mm but they will explode if they hit anything other than soft tissue. My daysix .204's just bounce off lol.

@jeffcordero_

11 ай бұрын

They seemed to all explode on the cinder block

@reddawng43x91

9 ай бұрын

Lmao😂

Funny how ya did it in the name of content but you could tell it pained you to blow yer arrows up hahaha

@jeffcordero_

Жыл бұрын

It did…. I still paid for them

@2scoopsmoose

Жыл бұрын

@@jeffcordero_ I hear ya stud! I’ve tried a few them and they get lost the same as cheap ones lol should try the 6mm cheap and light

Get some day six big daddy

4mm would either use the Valkyrie system or the Snyder core system by IW

@jeffcordero_

Жыл бұрын

I use the Snydercore for my broadheads. Solid system

Nice video BUT... waste of money! If you wanted to compare arrows you could have done the Hill Method @ 80 to 100 yrds see what grps and fly better

Bishop makes the strongest n most expensive 😉

Carbon express maximum triads with their insert system by far the toughest arrow on the market

Not the most honest test, the VAP is the only one that stuck in the cinder block, if all of them are nearly identical, the Vap is more sturdy by a little bit

@jeffcordero_

Жыл бұрын

That’s why I bought more VAPS after editing this video.

@laportemateo1598

Жыл бұрын

@@jeffcordero_ and that makes it honest haha. Love your videos keep it up !

@user-uk6dk2uu6g

9 ай бұрын

So did Vaps stand out to you as the more durable arrow as a result? Or do you believe that was strictly by chance? I’m in the market for a new 4mm arrow! Thanks! -sweet video tho.

😅😅, Mo

When does cinder block season start?

@jeffcordero_

Жыл бұрын

I’m ready when it does

@stevehunt4660

Жыл бұрын

@@jeffcordero_ lo..l

Why not shoot something that "may" break arrows instead of concrete

I would have cried Were you able to buy just 3 arrows per manufacturer Or 1/2 dozen- dozen of each If you bought just 3 each let us know how you did that lol I can only get them 1/2 dozen minimum at a time

@malcolmjohnson5941

Жыл бұрын

At Lancaster you can by arrows in any amount you want.

@jeffcordero_

Жыл бұрын

What Malcolm said, lancasterarcherysupply.com

@jimr7154

Жыл бұрын

@@malcolmjohnson5941 Thanks I didn’t know that

Bishop fad Eliminator can take that concrete shot and be just fine

Eaton all day long…100% made in America.

Whats the point of this??? Waste of money??

Carbon xpress makes the best arrows in all 3 sizes imo

Shooting arrows into concrete. Calls it a "test" lets call it what it is. Destroying arrows .....