WHICH IS FASTER ?? 1970 GTO Judge or 1968 Camaro SS 396 L89 - Muscle Car Drag Race - RoadTestTV®
WHICH WINS? - 70 GTO Judge Ram Air III or 68 Camaro SS 396 L78 / L89 ??
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A 1970 GTO Judge takes on a 1968 Camaro SS396 in a quarter mile drag race. Pontiac vs Chevrolet, who wins?
Both cars are competing in the Pure Stock Drags, so modifications are very limited. The only modifications permitted are minor porting, blue printing and minor weight reduction without altering the stock appearance. Camshafts and compression ratio have to be within a small percentage of stock specs. That means stock intake manifold, stock exhaust manifolds and street tires (See more below).
The 1970 GTO Judge in the video is powered by Pontiac's potent 400 cubic inch Ram Air III (6.6L) which was rated at 366 horsepower and 445 lb-ft of torque. This particular GTO has a Turbo 400 3 speed automatic transmission and 3.73 positraction rear end.
The 1968 Camaro SS 396 in the other lane is extremely rare as only 272 L78 Camaro's were built in 1968 with the L89 aluminum head option. The SS396 Camaro in the video is powered by Chevy's potent, solid lifter, high winding big block 396 cubic inch (6.5 L) RPO L78 which was rated at 375 horsepower and 415 lb-ft of torque. The L78 is a legend with Chevy Big Block fans. The Camaro has a Muncie 4 speed manual transmission and 4.10 posi rear in the 12 bolt housing.
Auto vs Stick ! Pontiac vs Chevy !! So WHO WINs?
Watch the video and see what happens.
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According to their Facebook Page, the Rules for the Pure Stock Drags are:
The class is limited to cars produced between 1955 to 1979 built in both United States and Canadian assembly plants The cars had to come with a minimum of 12 months and 12,000 mile warranty from the manufacturer.
Any car running faster than 11.50 will be disqualified and will not have a qualifying time recorded. Any convertible running faster than 13.50 will be disqualified and will not have a qualifying time recorded.
All casting numbers must be correct for the year and horsepower claimed including intake manifold, heads, and exhaust manifolds. Blocks do not have to be "numbers matching," but they must be the correct displacement. Overbores up to .070" are allowed. Stock cranks only.
All Engines - 1.5 extra points allowed over advertised.
The camshaft must be correct for the year, model, and horsepower claimed for the type of lifter (hydraulic or solid). Roller cams NOT allowed.
The valve train must be factory stock for the year, make, and horsepower claimed.
The ignition system must be stock, including the distributor, cap, coil, and wires. Points may be replaced with any electronic conversion that fits under the stock distributor cap.
The carburetor must be correct for the year, make, and horsepower claimed. Jetting and metering changes are permitted. THE CHOKE ASSEMBLY MUST BE IN PLACE AND FUNCTIONAL!
Cast-iron exhaust manifolds are mandatory and must be correct for the year, model, and horsepower claimed. Internal modifications to the exhaust manifolds are NOT allowed. Under no circumstances will headers be allowed, including those cars that came with headers delivered in the trunk. Pipes must be routed as they were originally for the year, make, model, and engine combination. Mufflers must be stock looking in design, that is, oval in shape. No glasspacks or straight pipes allowed unless installed as original equipment. Maximum muffler inlet and outlet size is 2.5 inches. X & H pipes allowed.
The radiator must be correct for the year, make, model, and horsepower claimed. No lightweight, aluminum radiators allowed.
The camshaft must be correct for the year, model, and horsepower claimed for the type of lifter (hydraulic or solid). Roller cams NOT allowed. Duration at .050" lobe lift must be within 1% of factory specs. Lift at the valve must be within 2% of factory specs. Maximum stall limited to 2200 rpm.
The transmission must be correct for year, make, model and engine of the car. 3-speed manuals may be upgraded to the correct 4-speed if originally available.
The rear axle must be of the same manufacturer as came with the car. Any gear ratio is allowed.
Reproduction tires or radial tires only, and you are allowed to run tires one size over stock.
Factory wheels only.
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Man, that Camaro was booking. The best thing about your videos is the short time. When I watch that other channel's "stock drags" I skip right to the races.
Love the black spoiler option on the Judge, both cars are beautiful. Nice to see them duking it out instead of rotting in a museum.
Would have been really surprised had the outcome been different.
The lighter weight, L89 option, and better aerodynamics of the Camaro are what did it
@howabouthetruth2157
4 жыл бұрын
When it comes to aerodynamics, the Camaro is A BRICK in the wind. That's not my opinion, that is a fact.
I love my Big-block Chevy a little more than my Ram-Air Poncho! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸💪🏻💪🏿💪TRUMP2020
Now let's do a 68 bird, RAII, (or a 69/RAIV) 4spd, and 3.90s, against the same camaro. :)
Goat would have had 'em had it not been for the fuzzy dice!
@unicornsteaks6769
4 жыл бұрын
True. Fuzzy dice-delete models were a couple tenths faster.
The RA III was way undercammed like the 455 HO was. The L-78 396 were 520 solid lift with duration in the 240 range @ .050. I still wonder how Chevy got away with Pontiac couldn't do with GM horsepower per weight rule?
@jjmurff
4 жыл бұрын
midnight savannah: Chevy executives were always suppressing Pontiac division, after the realized that the GTO almost retired the Corvette. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸💪🏻💪🏿💪 TRUMP2020
@unicornsteaks6769
4 жыл бұрын
Because they were Chevy, the FLAGSHIP. I just wonder how Buick slipped in with the GN and GNX, beating the pants off the TPI cars. The GNX was practically a production car world beater.
@jeffpatterson3676
4 жыл бұрын
Because chevy outsold all other gm brands money talks bullshit walks. Lol get real.
The most revered car of the late sixties...L78 Camaro.
@badass6.0powerstroke10
4 жыл бұрын
Revered ??? What the Hell does that mean ?
@rjmzz430
4 жыл бұрын
The one held to the highest esteem. The one many wanted but couldn't attain....pretty much a bad ass Chevy that eats up Ford's....and probably most anything else in its path
@badass6.0powerstroke10
4 жыл бұрын
@@rjmzz430 Oh i see, then just like the 71 Boss 351, most revered car of 1971, Ford's Baddest Cleveland Ever, that ate up Chevrolet Lt 1,s and Big Blocks too.
@thegreenerthemeaner
4 жыл бұрын
@@badass6.0powerstroke10 just one of a few Ford got right. They got the Pony Car craze started but why did it take Shelby to make them into what their potential really was. Why did they hobble the Boss 9? GM (except Cadillac) at least put their cars out there and made them popular. Mopar swung some healthy hardware and kept with their roots of making their cars perform more than stylish, at least early on. The styling finally caught up towards the end of the muscle car era. AMC had some serious iron in the R2 Hawks. Why those cars didn't catch on is a good story.
@silverbullet8901
4 жыл бұрын
Bad Ass 6.0 Powerstroke basically...all the junkstang and moaper boys wish their junk run like that after getting their asses out of their hands,real world definition😉.
It seems like most drivers on this channel driving cars with manual transmissions can't do burnouts lol.
Judge got smoked🏁
No surprise here.
The goat slept at the light.
@rjmzz430
4 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't of mattered Camaro was pulling hard through the traps look at the mph!
Proves nothing except that the GTO was asleep at the switch.
How about we try that again with a Ram Air IV in the GTO, my money would definitely be on the GOAT!
Did the GTO break loose at the light? Sounded like it. I don't know but his launch was sluggish.
@rjmzz430
4 жыл бұрын
Still ran pretty good though!
@joequillun7790
4 жыл бұрын
@Pop's Garage Mayhem On the money Pops. A big fat A body, against a super light 1st gen F-body. With a 4 spd to boot. L-78/4.10s, vs RAIII auto/3.73s. Goat didn't stand a chance. In it's defense, low 13s are very respectable times, (depending on modifications/tires.)
How's your daddy gto
Let's see that Camaro go up against a 69 boss mustang similarly equipped! After it eats em up then go after a 70 cuda! Go hunting for some rivals stop picking on the GM brothers.
@badass6.0powerstroke10
4 жыл бұрын
The Boss 429 wasn't what it was hyped up to be. Now the 427 FE Engines, those were a different story, Excellent Drag Race Engine. I'm partial to the 351 Cleveland's and the 429-460 Ford Big Blocks. So much potential, through some Heads and a Nice Solid Roller and a 4.30" or 4.50" Stroked Crank and you gotta a N/A Monster that can make 1000 HP And be practically Bullet Proof. And can compete with any Big Block Chevy.
@rjmzz430
4 жыл бұрын
@@badass6.0powerstroke10 FE 427 was truly a bad ass engine. 427 thunderbolt fairlanes were plain nasty! I'm talking late 65,66's that ran against the 426 hemi dodges and Plymouths!
@rjmzz430
4 жыл бұрын
May have been as early as 64 in a lightweight fairlane 427 t-bolt running high 10 quarters in full race trim.
Please stop the stupid extra sound effects. It takes away from your good work.
No way a 396 can run 12 seconds. It's not even close to stock
@thegreenerthemeaner
4 жыл бұрын
You might be surprised what jetting, timing, and some suspension work will do. With the aluminum heads, it weighed the same as a small block. Making the engine work on top of the rpm range and not blowing the tires off down low certainly helps.
@rjmzz430
4 жыл бұрын
Not only can it run 12s it can do it all day long. Put some slicks on it and uncork the exhaust and that sucker touch low 12 high 11's
@thegreenerthemeaner
4 жыл бұрын
@@rjmzz430 Joel Rosen used the L72 engine with headers, Mallory dual point, a Tarantula intake or removing the plenum divider in the stock one, 4.56s and usually the L88 or ZL1 camshaft, and the Super Bite suspension mods to make one run on the 11.50 guarentee. An L78 couldn't quite use all of that camshaft despite heads and intake being the very same. Cubic inches just couldn't develop quite enough port velocity to make it run very good below 3500 with all of that duration. 4.88s helped but 4.56s were the optimal for any Mark IV in a 1/4. I am curious about the fuel he uses here as well. 12.60s is pretty impressive on street tires. BTW, all of the modifications I just mentioned are not allowed in this class. Custom tuner cars of the day like Dana, Nickey, Yenko and of course Motion would run those numbers on bigger tires but, they aren't allowed here either. Don't get me wrong, 396s are scrappy and powerful but as time has progressed, we have learned well about cubic inches. On the street, well.........
@rjmzz430
4 жыл бұрын
@@thegreenerthemeaner Yea man safe to say that Rosen prepped car more like a super stock class with all those mods but with a little massaging and tuning the 396 was more than capable of running in the 12s all day!
@kos2318
4 жыл бұрын
thegreenerthemeaner and then you woke up you might be able to fool some of these snot nose kids on here this old man knows better these cars were built and I mean they were built to turn those type of times.