Which Heartless Were Organization 13s?
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Theory video about which Heartless were Organization XIII. The original Organization, not the one from Kingdom Hearts 3. This video contains: organization 13, organization 13 members, kingdom hearts heartless, kingdom hearts heartless sora, organization 13 heartless, and organization 13 heartless counterparts.
Footage from: Kingdom Hearts, Kingdom Hearts Final Mix, Kingdom Hearts 2 Final Mix (via Kingdom Hearts HD 2.5 ReMix on PS3), and Kingdom Hearts 3 ReMIND DLC.
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TIME STAMPS
0:00 -- Intro & Criteria
1:55 -- Xigbar
6:31 -- Xaldin
9:47 -- Vexen
13:06 -- Lexaeus
16:07 -- Zexion
18:26 -- Saix
21:10 -- Axel
23:28 -- Demyx
25:55 -- Luxord
28:26 -- Marluxia
31:55 -- Larxene
34:05 -- Final Picks
34:25 -- Lightning Round/Bonus Picks!
35:41 -- Outro
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personally I would assume that all of the founding members were emblem heartless because those heartless are Xehanort experiments so I assume that he experimented on everyone.
@nickmcsleighten
Жыл бұрын
Hm, that’s a good point, I hadn’t considered that I assumed he just sort of stabbed them via the Dream Drop cutscene and didn’t have much choice over what their heartless became
I do think that the Chimera would've worked for Xigbar really well, considering how it has three heads, representing the three identities Luxu had. The top represents Braig/Xigbar, the middle represents Bragi, and the bottom represents Brain.
@nickmcsleighten
10 ай бұрын
Oooo I like that, that’s a really cool idea!
I think I have pondered the nobody/heartless counterparts at some point, but probably just chucked that in the “things KH will probably not explain” box. Very interesting to hear the possibilities, especially since you put a bunch of big and small choices that all vaguely link up. Now thinking about it, if Sora has such a strong heart and still only turns into a basic shadow heartless, why can’t these other guys have had their heartless be kinda small or unassuming in a similar vein?
@nickmcsleighten
Жыл бұрын
You’re right, I doubt it’ll ever be explained, belongs right in that box along with what Pluto did during KH1 lol And yeah I definitely think it’s a possibility, I shoulda meme’d it and said “they’re all shadows, goodbye” 😂 Additionally: just something tangentially relevant, I don’t think Sora was meant to have a little shadow heartless but that was the effect of Ventus’ light on Sora’s heart and I want to make a theory video about it at some point
@tpgildersleeve
Жыл бұрын
@@nickmcsleighten ah that’ll be an interesting video! Now that you bring up that possibility, it makes me start wondering what Sora’s heartless was supposed to look like. Like is there a better fit for him among the known heartless, or could there have been a whole new boss-level one that we could only speculate what it looked like?!
I think the only thing I would add to my reasoning is “how much darkness they have.” Sora, even at kingdom hearts 1 level is very strong, but still only produced a shadow because he has so little darkness.
@nickmcsleighten
17 күн бұрын
It slipped my mind at the time 😅 but you are right
Nice. Keep up the great work
@nickmcsleighten
Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
ooooh good picks, not feeling Luxord but i get why you picked it also I like the tier list lotta good info with that
@nickmcsleighten
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I don't super feel Luxord's either but, what can we do? Just not enough options, also thanks! :)
I'm losing it at "DEATH ZAMBONI"
@nickmcsleighten
Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂 my most accurate observation ever
Phantom from Never land was my pick for Maruxia
@nickmcsleighten
6 ай бұрын
It’s a fair pick, especially with the reaper aesthetic and being one of the few two characters who can cast Doom
I've always thought the Phantom would be a good fit for Luxord. Phantom's fight is one of the few "puzzle" superbosses in the series which I think really fits Luxord's more puzzle-y fights in KH2, plus his whole fight's gimmick surronds the Clock Tower (Time)
@nickmcsleighten
16 күн бұрын
Ooooh thats a really good point, I never thought of that!
I probably wouldn't have wanted to use the strength or the heartless as a factor as, well, one of the two known examples we have is Roxas (an undoubtablely powerful Nobody who's return scared XEMNASS) have a heartless of... literally the most basic heartless out there, a simple Shadow. (this detail would also probably eliminate other criteria you set like elemental affinity.... but that would be no fun) On the Strom Rider... I think think after beating it, we get a bit of an explanation that it was actually a Dragon from the land of Dragons that Xigbar turned into a heartless.... If I am recalling that correctly, then it's canonical backstory should disqualify it from this list. Same deal with Groundshaker.... pretty sure it is canonically Scar's heartless, or at least way to tied to Scar for it to have come from someone else. Zexion must be really hard to do powerwise since his abilities change with each appearance... in re:CoM he could make Illusionary copies of himself, disguise himself in cutscenes (taking Sora's apperence) and steal/copy Riku's powers, in KH2FM he trapped you in a pocket dimension for a bunch of stuff, and when playing as him in 358/2 Days he just made a bunch of other weapons pop out of his book. So getting a lock on his powers must be tough. Maybe the lack of a clear match for Luxord is foreshadowing a twist of some kind? He IS gearing up to be a lot more important in the next saga.
@nickmcsleighten
Жыл бұрын
So you’re right about that as far as strong heartless go, but I have a theory about why Sora’s Heartless is a Shadow and it has to do with Ventus residing in his heart, but to not spoil it: I think Sora’s heartless was meant to be much stronger which is why I kept the criteria I’d have to rewatch the cutscenes but iirc you might be right about Storm Rider and Groundshaker, oops lol Yeah basically Zexion is “does whatever we want him to do in the moment” which is like: okay great, guess I’ll just stick with the book aesthetic 😂 Oooo that’s a possibility, and a random detail I wouldn’t put past Nomura (like that time the box art of sora sitting in 1.5, standing in 2.5, then walking in 2.8 apparently had hidden meanings)
@13KuriMaster
Жыл бұрын
@@nickmcsleighten Hmm, I can see why one would think that... but I think it was stated that the strength of the heartless is based off of how much darkness was in the heart of one transformed, so I don't think Ventus's presence had an impact (since it didn't take away any darkness and just added more light). Ehh, either way, imagining that the boss-level nobodies had powerful heartless counterparts probably made it more fun for you anyway. Ehh, at least Zexion's theme is flexible enough that it is justifiable... the catch being how to justify the Illusions causing actual pain. Which kinda sets up how Lucky it was for the heroes that he was taken out quickly... he could have caused a LOT of problems had he survived past CoM. There's a lot we can't put past Nomura on what he would do... wouldn't be surprised if the next game makes Coded's importance level skyrocket by a billion. Justification: It's Nomura.
I’ve wanted this for a while haha
@nickmcsleighten
17 күн бұрын
Heck yeah haha what’d ya think?
What about Trickmaster for Luxord?
@nickmcsleighten
9 ай бұрын
I thought about that but it doesn’t make a ton of sense to me since Trickmaster is more paper mâché and doesn’t really have a gimmick/“play a game” mechanic
You mention strong hearts so strong heartless. The strength of a heartless is based on the evil within ones heart, not the strength of one's heart. This is why Sora's heartless was the weakest type of heartless as there is little darkness in him. Xehanorts heartless Ansem is super strong as Xehanort has lots of darkness in his heart. If anyone is wondering, the strength of nobodies on the other hand are based on the strength of the original people, strong person = strong nobody This is why Sora had a weak heartless but a very strong nobody (Roxas)
@nickmcsleighten
4 ай бұрын
You’re correct about that and I realized it much too late unfortunately lol
excited for this
@nickmcsleighten
Жыл бұрын
Heck yeah :) hope you enjoy when it drops tomorrow!
Some of those battles were nightmares took forever to be beat
@nickmcsleighten
Жыл бұрын
You’re not wrong
@THEAPRILFOOL-1983
Жыл бұрын
@@nickmcsleighten it's been hard for me to do any gaming thanks to my television dying on me so now I'm having to use the TV I use for gaming to watch TV still looking for a better TV. The other one was much older that's why I used it for just cable TV and not to mention the console's I would connect to my vcr
What about Reverse Armor for Saix? It’s big, gets enraged by switch to a more aggressive form, and floats like Saix does. Weapons? It’s hands and feet are weapons that when combined right, can resemble a Claymore, which Saix wields. Thoughts?
@nickmcsleighten
11 ай бұрын
Oooo you make a lot of good points too! I think i like you’re pick better than mine lol
@RedDragonForce2
11 ай бұрын
@@nickmcsleighten you brought up the guard armor for like three different candidates, but Saix was the best one. Reverse Armor is looked over for some reason, but it’s definitely an excellent second phase for a boss and because it’s more aggressive and fires a large Orb(Moon) blast… I thought it fit better than just Guard Armor.
@nickmcsleighten
11 ай бұрын
@@RedDragonForce2 it does! I think it got forgot because I was focused on the “rage” and “weapon” aspect and the rage aspect is the only reason 358 Guard Armor got considered to begin with until I made “large” a criteria
My theory is they just killed their heartless the exact place they became nobodies and lost their hearts. i mean that is what happened to Sora, his heartless appeared the place he lost his heart. As for a reason, maybe they went berserk and attacked them. I mean I think they can only control nobodies and not heartless right?
@nickmcsleighten
21 күн бұрын
Thats an interesting theory, I’m not sure if it would make sense in terms of Xehanort’s grand plan; but maybe it wasn’t part of the plan? Maybe it just happened and they had to be dealt with! Either way, it’s fun to speculate on!
@coldandstinky3485
20 күн бұрын
@@nickmcsleighten Maybe he wanted them to be recompleted, so he can find out who is a suitable host. hat is what we saw in Re:Coded.
@nickmcsleighten
20 күн бұрын
@@coldandstinky3485 its a possibility! I like the way you think 😁
13:02 yeeeeeesh
It'd be very ironic if Luxord's Heartless was the Grim Reaper.
@nickmcsleighten
6 ай бұрын
Imagine throwing around your own heartless and not knowing about it
I expected Wyvern from KH1 and Ruler of the Sky from 358/2 Days to be on Xaldin’s list. I forgot about Windstorm though.
@nickmcsleighten
Жыл бұрын
Wyvern makes sense, wonder how I missed that? b tier lmao and Ruler of the Sky makes sense too but, imo has too many ice based powers and is more bird & chest aesthetic than lance, dragon, & wind
@GalakStari
Жыл бұрын
@@nickmcsleighten Right. I only played 358/2 Days once and I forgot some of their move sets lol. I just thought the name was kind of fitting, “Ruler” of the “Sky”.
@nickmcsleighten
Жыл бұрын
@@GalakStari that's a good point, I didn't even consider names lol
@thetronwarriors4817
4 ай бұрын
Kurt zisa would be a good choice to be xaldins heartless becuase both have multiple weapons and have wind elements
@GalakStari
4 ай бұрын
@@thetronwarriors4817That’s a good one too!
Part of me thinks they’d be pure blood heartless. As soras heartless is the pure blood shadow. And Ansem only has the emblem because he was the one behind it.
@nickmcsleighten
2 ай бұрын
Honestly, that’s a possibility; I’m not entirely sure how the heartless system works (whether or not you become pure blood or emblem or if pure blood is just like creatures from the realm of darkness and emblems are actually people 🤷♂️) But a full list of pure bloods wouldn’t be as fun 😂
I think they just didnt think far enough for the rules they set.
@nickmcsleighten
3 ай бұрын
You’re probably right, the Organization started in CoM before they had come up with the idea for Nobodies and how those rules work in-game But it’s still fun to speculate
@dillonyoung5502
3 ай бұрын
@@nickmcsleighten yeah! i appreciate you attempting to make this sensible. Please keep up the good work!
@nickmcsleighten
3 ай бұрын
@@dillonyoung5502 thank you 😁😁 will do!
Storm Rider is confirmed to be the Heartless of a dragon, so, cannot be Dilan's Heartless
@nickmcsleighten
4 ай бұрын
As I understand, that’s a fan theory because it makes sense Do you have a source on that?
@zarxiel2339
4 ай бұрын
@@nickmcsleighten the Emperor literally say that
@nickmcsleighten
4 ай бұрын
@@zarxiel2339 i just checked the cutscene and you’re right! i must be misremembering with the xemnas’ dragon nobody theory, thanks for the correction 😁
@zarxiel2339
4 ай бұрын
@@nickmcsleighten also, the Groundshaker we know is Scar's Heartless
@nickmcsleighten
4 ай бұрын
@@zarxiel2339 oh? I wasn’t aware of that, but I guess that makes sense since its an amalgam of his lingering darkness
Dance, water, dance!
@nickmcsleighten
18 күн бұрын
mood 😂
QUESTION THAT DO NEED AWNSER
I suppose I'll drop everything I got and watch this
@nickmcsleighten
Жыл бұрын
*deep sigh* if you must Lol joking aside, it’s about 6 1/2 hours before it drops so you’ve got time
@ligudinkteuf4394
Жыл бұрын
@@nickmcsleighten I'll be staying up for work purposes so it'll make for good background entertainment!!!
@nickmcsleighten
Жыл бұрын
@@ligudinkteuf4394 heck yeah!! “Get that bread” as they say
12:11 well I got flashbacks
@nickmcsleighten
9 ай бұрын
Lmao my bad 😂😂
My brain trying to understand the 1st part of the vid 🤯😵💫 😆 🤣
@nickmcsleighten
Жыл бұрын
Like my criteria?
@sninja332
Жыл бұрын
@@nickmcsleighten yeah it works lmao
@nickmcsleighten
Жыл бұрын
@@sninja332 i mean like which part are you trying to understand? 😂😂
@sninja332
Жыл бұрын
@@nickmcsleighten oh like when you said nobody to heartless to somebody to nobody
@nickmcsleighten
Жыл бұрын
@@sninja332 oh yeah 😂 somebodys makes a heartless and nobody and if you defeat their heartless and nobody they become a somebody again
for Luxord we could always just use the boss from 2nd pirate visit
@nickmcsleighten
6 ай бұрын
Yeah, someone else mentioned that too, and I get why, but personally, I just don’t really feel like there’s any relation is aesthetics or powers
Oh that's a realy interesting topic.
@nickmcsleighten
Жыл бұрын
Glad you think so :) I ran a poll between this, a Mickey theory video, and a drawing live about pop culture keyblades and this one won
@tomgu2285
Жыл бұрын
@@nickmcsleighten I want to hear you mickey theory
@nickmcsleighten
Жыл бұрын
@@tomgu2285 that’s gonna be my 100th video special 😎 (KZread says I’m over 100 but it counts shorts and I don’t lol)
@tomgu2285
Жыл бұрын
@@nickmcsleighten can't wait