Repeated Training + Practice + Experience = Best 👍 Minimal Training + Experience = Average or worse 👎 Minimal Training + No Experience = Bad 👎 No Training + Experience = Bad 👎 No Training + No Experience = Someone Walking 🤣 It takes training, practice, and experience. The point of this video was to show that experience without proper training & practice is a BIG problem. It leads to overconfidence and leads to a rider who is not being honest with themselves about their competency. I have seen firsthand A LOT of riders who are on the street, who are not trained, have a lot of experience, and are a danger to themselves and the public...the point of this video. If you are looking for a training guide become a Member...you will get access to other like-minded riders on the Forums and the Field Guide to practice and develop your skills on any open parking lot. Become a Member: www.MCrider.com/Member 👍 If you are looking for training or want to contribute to the training map: www.MCrider.com/class 👍

I rode from 7yrs old to 30yrs old. I took the basic course at 30 and quickly figured out that I was doing a bunch of things incorrectly and instantly improved my riding in 1 weekend. At 50 yrs old and a daily rider. I continue to practice and take different classes. I’m considering becoming an instructor myself.

I learned more in 2 hours training than I did on my last 2,000 miles riding.. it has made my riding more relaxing and safer!! 💯👍🏽

At my first "advanced" training class, the instructor asked, "How many of you have 20 years of experience?" With that being said, how many of you have ridden your first year of riding skill 20 years in a row?? Point taken!!

My answer is YES. It's like the debate between loud pipes and being seen - I want to be both loud and seen, but seen is more important because they don't give licenses to blind people.

I took the MSF course last fall (ACE Riding School, Montrose Colorado) after not riding for many years. Shortly after the course, I was riding the twisties in a nearby mountain canyon with a few cars behind me trying to get around (I was looking for a place to let them pass). I got part way into a tight curve and half-way through there was a cow & her calf in single file crossing the highway right in front of me, completly blocking my lane. There was no shoulder and a deep ditch to my right - a bad escape route. Had I not just attended the training class and practiced those emergency braking drills (straight away & in curves) and situational awareness to be riding at a reasonable speed, it would have been a very different outcome.

Training is just the beginning, then you need experience and practice. Lots of practice. When I first started watching your channel and vids, I realized just how much I didn't know! I've learned more in the past year following your training videos and practicing then I had learned in my 35+ years of riding solo and 2up and thousands of miles! Can't even begin to say thank you enough for your time and posting these valuable life changing videos.

The timing of this video is fitting, given I just signed up for the MSF riding course as a birthday gift to myself. Even though I've been riding for seven years, I need to humble myself before the class and come in with a learner mentality. 👍

Back in the 70's and 80's I rode thousands of miles. At the time, I wished I could learn how the police or Shriners did their riding but those classes weren't available to most folks. Life took over and I gave up riding until about 5 years ago. I took the MSF course to get my license again and started looking around, the resources available now are fantastic. During our riding season, I try to take some time during the week and Sat mornings to practice on parking lots (having to go further and further as I'm kicked off each) and a decent couple of hours of riding on Sunday.

When it comes to anything we do it's about Attitude, Skills and Knowledge.

i can verify what you've said here, i started in the dirt at age 5, by the early 90's i was in my early 30's and had been riding and racing MotoX and Flat Track for years, i was a member of a HOG chapter that wanted an award for safety and it required a certain membership number to take an MSF class, and i though ok i'll do it, but what ate they going to teach me, OMG they taught me that i didn't know SQUAT !! about how to ride properly, i was 100% self taught trail and error, i had no concept of many of the basics and it caused me to take several more classes, i'm now in my mid 60's and been riding for 58 years (59 in sept this year) and i'm hoping to take some of the Police style classes in 2023.

@robertgutheridge9672

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I have a very similar story of riding started at 5 motocross from 11-35 and still at 52 riding when I took my msf I learned a lot some things I knew but found better way. I do believe that some of what I learned on the dirt and motocross has saved my butt on the street. Keep it upright and enjoy riding

Excellent vid! Check Yamaha Champ Schools new one day Street Rider class, both IRL and another street class online at Champ U. Much more affordable than their 3 day Track course. I hope they have one near Atlanta. Turning a simple U turn into a sideways-in-the-road 3 or 4 point turn can be life threatening… And many a busted ankle/knee has occurred during a simple low speed tip over. Practice is essential, at all speeds. Thanks again for all your top drawer knowledge and wisdom.

When I took my first MSF class we had a guy from TN start off about how long he'd been riding; the class was to get a legal endorsement in FL. He was the only one in the class that weekend who kept dropping his 500 cc Buell.

New rider who's an old guy. I took the MSF course last fall and passed and got my license. Even though I did well in the class I felt very inexperienced. There was more I needed to learn. Finally just bought a small bike and have ridden around the neighborhood and found a great lot to practice braking and swerving and low speed maneuvers. I will go practice first and then go for a ride but only mid day when traffic is light and I will go on back roads. I want to take some more classes but I also want a little seat time and be able to master basics. Some of the classes near me want to you to have more time on a motorcycle.

I completely agree. I have tried to tell many of the "outsiders" that have been flooding our state, that if they go flying through the twisties, when they are only used to flat straight roads, they are going to likely crash. I explain that I have had so many deer, bear, coyotes, fox, skunks, pick up trucks stopped right in the blind curve and I couldn't see it until the last second at night, I almost hit a massive bull before, too. If they are not prepared to handle something like that, at speed, they are going to regret going so fast. But they are likely to not regret it for very long, if you get my drift. Always great advice and thumbs up.

Amen, when I go for a ride I have a regular parking lot I go to for 10 minutes of practice. When I leave I feel more confident, focused and alert. This makes the ride much more fun for me.

My two favorite statements from "old timers"; "i've never put a bike down" and " you looked like a fool in that school parking lot saturday" First any one that rides long enough will drop their bike, second- I'd rather look foolish to a moron while I practice then make excuses for the "accident"! Thank You Kevin, This spring I'll be spending some extra time on the Goldwing in the parking lot, I just went to the darkside with the bike I'll be towing a trailer for camping with. Put a class in the middle of a rally and watch how few people will take the class but also see how many will stand around to critique those that do learn. You are in my prayers Hoka Hey

The training map is a home run. Lots of classes here in SW Florida 🤩

After over 40 years on two wheels, due to bad hips and bad back, I chose to trade my touring HD for a can am Spyder. It’s a different feel and has required me to learn a whole new set of riding skills. Practicing has been a must, and football stadium parking lots have been a good friend…

@robertmann6890

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Can am should have their own course as well

@eddcurry1245

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@robertmann6890 I do believe they do

Preach on! Training courses and practice are a must for us.

Great lecture on the importance of learning and practicing skills. Reminds me to make the local school parking lot an early destination once I can start the riding season again. TY.

One of your best tutorials ever. This 70 y.o. rider does practice what he learned in the safety class. Will look up any advanced course in the training map. Thanks.

You are so right - absolutely correct! After taking the MSF BRC several times (each new base I was assigned to), the Advanced Rider's course a few times, and training to be an MSF instructor, I wound up not riding for just over a decade. Came to CA and decided to get back on the horse. CA's riding course is used in lieu of the riding test at the DMV, but it doesn't compare to the MSF BRC. I took that little 250cc Yamaha through the course like a hot knife through butter - and many in the class thought the old man was impressive! Hahaha - in truth, I had fear for those young ones with the little bit of skills they were taught (some still had great difficulty with the clutch at the end of Day 2 on the range!). Today, when I go out, at least monthly I go to a parking lot and practice before a ride - gotta be prepared. Thanks!

Excellent info. Check to see if any of the law enforcement agencies in your area allow the general public to attend their motorcycle riding lessons. They almost always have a private course/track and our tax dollars pay for all of it. So far I've worked with two amazing LEO motorcycle instructers and found them to be intense, brutally blunt and very loud. This Spring we'll get the chance to practice lowside crashes on an old Kawasaki traffic bike with frame sliders, closed track of course. Thank you!

Bingo, Skill development / training is a focused activitiy that results on better riding skills. Riding is an act of enjoying the results of training.

Thanks Kevin!

Started off riding dirt bikes as a kid. Then started riding on the street without proper endorsement for many years. Survived on pure luck and the skills learned on a dirt bike. Stopped riding for 25 years and decided to get back into riding as I always really missed it. Took a training class to get legally licensed and it was the best thing I've ever done. I remember they asked at the beginning of the class what we wanted to work on and learn and I said low speed skills. I still practice a lot of the drills they taught us. I really appreciate MCrider and many other motorcycles shows on the internet that help provide the information and skills that we didn't even know we needed back in the day before the internet. .

Intermediate / Advanced classes are so hard to find. Glad you are crowd-sourcing your own map.

You nailed that! Good job.

Great advice. I haven't been on a bike for over 40 years and I'm still brushing up on my skills. I'm very rusty. I've been going out and practising some of the skills you have mentioned and shown on KZread. Cheers Russ Western Australia

I love your content. I'm in the middle of msf recourse leading to new rider course and some of your stuff in hitting home

Enjoy you videos. Wanted to let folks know that the MSF course (beginner and intermediate) is FREE in PA. It’s offered several times a year all over the state.

Love what you do!

This was GREAT!

Come up here to the Northwest and ride with me ! and we will see what you think then. I know what you are trying to get across, but when you ride as if your life depended on it ! you are always learning.

Good information

I watch your videos every week; awesome job. The tee shirt order I finally received today, not so much.

I've got 25 years of riding experience andI still periodically go and take a riders class to work on some of the skills In my case I also motocross race for about 15 years The combination I think makes me pretty decent rider But I also take the time to keep those some of those skills that aren't normally used to refreshed From the racing though you learned to control the bike in unexpected situations And then by going out And practicing some of those Fairly unused skills helps keep them in the mind So far I've been lucky I've never laid a bike down on the road I hope I don't But I also know that there's a reasonable chance that at some point in time I will

Have a safe Weekend Kevin

@MCrider

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You too.

Back in the 1900s, there was not a class to get a motorcycle license. You got a permit, took a test, and that was it. But back in those primitive times, all of us kids were always on two wheels. Everyone had a bicycle and rode everywhere. Some kids got mini bikes and dirt bikes as well. It is best to avoid the need for emergency actions. I think that's what this channel calls "road strategy." The road skill is what you employ if emergency action is required. In town, swerving can be quite a risk. For example, a lot of amateur taxis are out there, and they might stop in the middle of the road. If you go around them, you need to be cautious, because drunk Ashley might hope right out the door or come running from the bar parking lot without even looking. Or, another vehicle might already have decided to accelerate around the stopped car and you will swerve right into its path.

I did not ride for 40years. Bought a Harley Sportster about 8 months ago. Watched all the videos many times. What I learned was I did not have a clue on how to ride a motorcycle. It was God watching over me back when I used to ride. I do more practicing than out riding. First thing I did was put a crash bar and bung pegs on the rear. I knew I was going to need them. I have dumped the bike over a number of time practicing the slow speed maneuver's. You have to be at the point to trust the techniques that are taught on your channel and many others. When you feel the bike going over leave that clutch out a little the bike will come back up. It will. I am still practicing and I am at the point were I Suck. But it took awhile to get there. I have a road near me with a lot of twisters. I practice the counter steer for tightening or opening the turn. I use front and rear brake in the turns as I learned on KZread. You need to feel what the bike is doing when you perform these techniques. When people say never touch the brakes in a curve are crazy. You can only hope in pray for so long before you get jammed up. It does not matter how many mile you have on a bike. The question is how many hours of practice do you have.

The main skill involved with all slow speed training is balance. I think this aspect is overlooked because it comes "naturally." I've seen too many fellow riders that are adequate at 8+ mph, but 5mph is a whole other world. If you don't want to drop that bike, it's best to practice those skills that require balance. Great video, Kevin. Hope to 'see you on the road!'

@beepbop6697

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Exactly. Any fool can go fast -- the true masters of motorcycles can ride slower than anyone else (less than 1mph). I love watching motorcycle officer competitions where the masters compete.

@steve00alt70

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Different bikes make it easier to balance an example is a 125cc because its soo lightweight.

@lynnsample4549

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@@steve00alt70 granted and a whole lot lighter to pick up when you dump it! 😄

Man, this was well said. It's easy to go thousands of miles straight. It's another thing to have the proper training and know what to do when crap hits the fan.

Back roads !!

We only know what we know, and we only experience what we experience....w/o training, practice, and then experience it's pretty hard to widen your skill base. I read (like Total Control - to understand the physics), I watch (Kevin and others), and I take training classes in the DFW area (but they aren't all leveled w/depth in certain areas...more broad brush). It wasn't until I was riding in Europe this year that I experienced old cobblestone streets w/"un-balanced" -travel gear, and steep slopes in the Alps w/grades that were not "typical US mountain grades", riding daily w/about 40% rain for 3 mos, winding roads in the Pyrenees that make the Dragon tail seem like kids stuff. So I'll go w/a combo. I do know this...until I had over 15k miles of experience - hill country, mountains, suburbs, cities, flat lands....I didn't always feel comfortable.

Thank you to information about the author motorcycle matic injeksi 👍👍

I have heard it a 1000 times " I been riding for 20 years I dont neex training" they are usually the ones needed a class the most

This is a great topic and will bring out the subjective comments. I will bring this up on our next ride out. I will have the guys I ride with sub to your channel.

Yep well, I’d rather share a foxhole with an experienced soldier that a freshly trained ,green one… training is great but experience is priceless.

I got caught at 15 on a cd175 speeding in a city and the cop said if I sign up for course he would bail on court date for me. I did sign up and licensed only for bikes last 41 years. 40 years weekly riding and hundreds of thousands of mi;es only 2 contact crashes both minor because of that training first off in my riding career. Never owned a car or ABS even. Ridden with cop trainers and cops that collect vintage and most benefit from training on harley trucks.

I've seen these types of riders at biker nights, usually on Harley Davidsons, who can't handle slow speed on gravel. Their bikes are usually immaculate. They spend more time polishing them than riding and never go out in averse weather conditions or on muddy roads, so they don't develop the skills you mentioned. Here, in rainy old England, we don't often get ideal conditions, so we have to adapt, and the training laws are quite strict, such as limiting learners to a 125cc bikes, then onto 47bhp machines unless they're over 24 and take a direct access course so it would benefit some gleaming Harley riders to take a training course even if they've been riding for 20 years, because as you pointed out, riding in a straight line and stopping at lights is something everyone can do until one day it's curtains through lack of training.

@jimfarnell5813

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Irrespective of the anti-Harley bias out there, touring HDs are very capable… Here in the USA, most motor police officers ride HD Police models… since they represent the top 1% of non-racing street riders, the issue is not the motor but the skill set of the rider… skill set training is the key… in my view if it blows your hair back I’m good with your ride choice… I have competed in police riding competitions on my FLHP Police Road King performing >16 ft. U-turns, snowmen & many demanding patterns @ 4-5 mph… not because I’m a naturally gifted rider but because I spent the time & money to learn the skills & REGULARLY PRACTICE… I practice till I get it right & then continue to practice till I can’t get wrong…

@Apollo949

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@Jim Farnell I'm not anti Harley and certainly not implying these bikes don't handle well with the right rider. I'm saying that people who buy them here in the UK are plastic bikers: usually solicitors and people like that. Their other bike of choice is BMW, and they can't handle them in the conditions I outlined above. These people are not to be confused with the diehard Harley riders such as the Hells Angels or Outlaws or the people in your country where HDs are probably the first choice. I'm only voicing my observations of the 'plastic' Harley riders I've observed in Britain on biker nights.

@beepbop6697

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@@Apollo949 don't let Jim fool you. HD stands for "Hardly Driven". Most Harley's are highly polished garage ornaments, that only see sunlight on the best few days of the year. They are very expensive, beautiful, impractical motorcycles that are status symbols for the well-to-do to show off to each other. Dealers are full of old, very low mileage, beautifully kept harley's -- and if you are in the market and the price is right go snatch one up. The "typical" HD rider, rides rarely -- I'd wager the average Harley motorcycle has less than 1,000 miles per year on its clock. It is what it is, the bikes are comparatively ridiculously expensive, and if I paid 10% over MSRP for the already inflated price for a Harley I'd treat it as an expensive museum piece too. Daily riders aren't riding HD.

Great vid, as usual. The only thing I could add is... "drop the mic" 🎤!!

Evansville, IN is 200 miles from everywhere

I have found that the better I get at controlling my motorcycle in a parking lot at slow speed the more I enjoy riding my motorcycle on the road at road speeds.

Truth

Learn to handle your motorcycle well, by riding in the dirt. Get on a gravel road. Race motocross! (Little tough if you are in your ‘70’s like me, I know!)

Training is the best way

Considering riding motorcycles is dangerous, if a rider has been riding motorcycles for 60 years and he didn't die. That proves he is a good rider. Training doesn't guarantee becoming a good rider, so experience is better.

I believe both are needed slow speed skill maneuvering is 1000% different from riding 8590 miles an hour down in interstate and should have both

@MCrider

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I don't disagree, that is why I am seeking slow speed training and track days on the new training map. www.MCrider.com/class

Many of the people who have poor motorcycle skills did not hesitate to max out their motorcycles performance.

I would agree with you on much of of this but training does not replace experience. A combination of training and experience are required to be a good rider. If the instructor is not present to warn an inexperienced rider about the million and one things not in the class he just took?????😢 However as you said all the experience in the world is no replacement for being properly trained in basic riding skills. The really big steps to motorcycle utopia comes after some serious dirt bike time and track days at a tricky road course. Just piddling around on streets or dashing around a pile of cones in a parking lot won’t get it done.

At 62 yrs of age I took an advanced riders course. That was six yrs ago. Honestly some of it scared me. Who wants to drop a $30,000 bike?

Always training makes a better rider. With no training or practise you are just incompetent for longer. As a 60 year old rider with 10s of thousands of miles on every kind of motorcycle and in multiple countries around the world until I got some skill training at 56 I realised I really didn't know how to ride safely. Heck i'm still learning every time I head out. You better know how to brake properly be able to swerve the bike competently and know how to effectivly scan ahead of you for others actions constantly.

👍👍

Struggling to find class other than beginner in Minnesota

State of wyoming offers basic riders classes through their website. Wyoming department of transportation

I don’t think one is better than the other as each contributes differently. I am a pilot as well as a rider, and the same applies to aviation. Training gives you the knowledge as to what needs to be done and how to do it, but experience is what really develops and hones the skill. I knew within two hours of starting my flight training what I needed to do to land in a cross-wind, but learning how to actually cross control the airplane to make a proper cross-wind landing took another 6 hours of practice and thus experience. And I don’t think you can really teach judgement at all in a classroom. You can tell people what is smart to do, but until they get out and experience things it seldom really sinks in. So, I don’t think “which develops the better rider” is the right question. The real question is how best to combine training and experience to develop skilled riders who exercise good judgement.

@adamkreuz9068

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How much training do you need to become a pilot and keep your license? How much training do you need to get a motorcycle license and keep it?

@LTVoyager

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@@adamkreuz9068 It varies. The last I knew, the FAA still required a minimum of 40 hours, 20 hours of instruction and 20 hours of solo time, but most require much more than that. I think I had 47 hours when I got my license in 1978. I heard that many today take closer to 60 hours. The flight test is based on performance, not hours so it takes whatever it takes to get the student ready for the flight test. I got my motorcycle license in 1976 with zero hours of training. No training is required to keep your pilot’s license as it is good for life unless revoked by the FAA. There are currency requirements to use your license, the main ones being three takeoffs and landings each 90 days in order to carry passengers, and a night requirement to carry passengers at night. And a flight review every 2 or 3 years depending on the pilots age. It used to be every other year for everyone, but I believe they relaxed that some time ago for pilots under 40, but I’d have to check the current regulations to be sure. Flying is far more demanding than riding so the training is far more intense.

@adamkreuz9068

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@@LTVoyager see there you go, training is way more important than experience especially when it comes to motorcycles.

@LTVoyager

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@@adamkreuz9068 No, it’s not. I have no idea how you made that leap of logic (illogic).

@MCrider

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Repeated Training + Practice + Experience = Best Minimal Training + Experience = Average or worse Minimal Training + No Experience = Bad No Training + Experience = Bad No Training + No Experience = Someone Walking It does take both training and experience. But, the point of this video was to show that experience without proper training & practice is a BIG problem. It leads to overconfidence, and leads to a rider who is not being honest with themselves about their competency. I have seen first hand A LOT of riders who are on the street, who are not training, have a lot of experience and they are a danger to themselves and the public...the point of this video.

My beginner course had us learn to look left, then right, then left at stop signs. Because the danger zone is coming from the left here in North America. But, where I live, farmer turns are heavily used here. I have learned to look right first to avoid those people doing farmer turns. Is this really important to correct? I mean it makes sense In a perfect world but I live in a not so perfect farm country.

@beepbop6697

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Have lived in four states (including farm country) and have never heard the term "farmer turn". Did a search for it -- if traffic in your area "normally crosses the yellow lines" to make a right-hand turn then it would be wise to ensure all lanes are clear before entering the il intersection.

Hey, you said in the introduction about gravel in a corner, but what can you do against this? I fell in a corner when my back tire slid on gravel (I didn't even see the gravel), in the blink of an eye I was sliding and my motorcycle was in front of me (I was riding at about 30Km/h - 18mi/h). Was there anything that I could have done ? (After lifting the motorcycle I saw two cars that almost crashed in the same corner).

@robertmann6890

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Yes. Stand the bike up until you are through the road hazard then re initiate lean. You are probably also not looking far enough ahead of you feel it snuck up on you. Look for discoloration in the road ahead. Far away you won’t be able to tell what it is but try to avoid discolored spots on the road. Hopefully that helps you.

@MucsDeMic

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@@robertmann6890 Thank you for the tips, I appreciate them. The gravel was coming from a pothole in the road and was mostly the same color as the road itself (it was like small balls of bitumen), you could hardly see them. Perhaps a more experienced rider would have taken a safer line after seeing the pothole (I only have 1 year of experience riding, I rode only for about 3800Km).

@beepbop6697

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Suggest to find a gravel road and ride it for miles and miles. It is just practice and getting used to the feel of the bike losing grip and allowing the machine to recover (which it will do unless you fight it with bad inputs). Gravel on a road becomes a non-issue with the practice. Face your fears in a controlled environment, and you'll overcome them.

Both develops a better rider you cant have one without the other.

B4 watching video: Training based on my experience.

How can you have thousands of miles of “seat time” on a motorcycle like you say at the beginning of the video when the rider doesn’t have his/her license..?? I do not understand 🤔

Seat time ≠ Experience. "Experience" on a bike, means frequent enough occasions of "white shorts turned brown", or "red/black/blue body parts", so even a stupid person would be conditioned into lightning fast involuntary eye-hand reactions. This is the ADHD/problem child, approach. It's fun/enjoyable if you are brave enough. You might look really cool, the time you still have left on this earth. "Training" is the smart person's way to teach his motorneurons the basics in a safe environment. It's experience too, but not the same experience as the short life expectancy approach above. It's boring, but a better long term plan. You will look like a dork while practicising. However, you are only a dork if you care about that.

The rider is responsible for making "seat time" into skill development by practicing what they learn in training. Training alone won't do it. You have to apply what you learned, in a parking lot, then the road on the seat, at the controls. You learn what to do in training. You learn how to do it with seat time, consciously practicing what you learned. If you learned everything you know by experience, go take the MSF and learn right. Experience without training allows you to pickup, maintain and ingrain bad habits. Stop fooling yourself.

I prefer not to ride like crazy so I won't need amazing braking/evasion technique. Training fades, but experience helps you not to be an idiot. Also wanted to point out, that vast majority of people are average, that's why it is called "average". It's ok to be average - not many have time/money/location for repeated training and practice.

@MCrider

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If you ride within the limits you are doing a good thing by controlling yourself, but you are doing nothing to control the bad habits of everyone else you are on the road with. Training is not expensive to Members of MCrider and can be practiced on any parking lot, the greater hurdle to overcome might be understanding the need for it.

@erissroc

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"I prefer not to ride like crazy so I won't need amazing braking/evasion technique" Wow!! I am just curious. Did you, or have you watched any of MCRider's videos? Your "experience" possibly engrains very bad/dangerous habits. This is a fact. Practice does NOT make perfect!!!

@leonidfro8302

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@@erissroc Why “experience” in quotes? I do have real experience, good or bad. Yes, everyone’s experience contains good/bad/ugly things. We are not perfect. To the matter at hand: I prefer to keep distance than to rely on my braking skills. Ride slower in turns instead of relying upon trail braking ability.

Great advice. I haven't been on a bike for over 40 years and I'm still brushing up on my skills. I'm very rusty. I've been going out and practising some of the skills you have mentioned and shown on KZread. Cheers Russ Western Australia