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@iglolosa5196

4 ай бұрын

Fabian, very informative video, with excellent comparison between both systems. Well done

I don't know about the R5, but I would definitely mention the fact that the Z8 can record raw video directly to the card and no Atomos Ninja is needed. That's great news for video makers.

@FabianFoppNaturephotography

7 ай бұрын

The R5 can also record 8K raw internally. But I think the Nikon has more options. But as I mentioned, the video was mainly about the photo features as I‘m not an expert in video 🙈

This was an amazingly detailed you covered everything and honestly. Well done Fabian you deserve a lot more subs for this channel. Cheers!

@FabianFoppNaturephotography

8 ай бұрын

Thanks a lot for your kind words 😊

Great, fair review. I’m a long time Nikon shooter so when upgrading from D850 the Z8 was a great choice for me. But I have friends shooting the R5 and they love it as well. If you can’t get wonderful images with either the problem is not the camera.

@FabianFoppNaturephotography

8 ай бұрын

Totally agree! Have fun with the Z8

Great video comparison thank you

@FabianFoppNaturephotography

8 ай бұрын

Thank you!

Thanks for a great comparison!!

@FabianFoppNaturephotography

2 ай бұрын

Thanks

Fabian. I must say, your comparison of the two cameras was so detailed and spot on. At least from a Z8 shooter point of view. Your Z8 insight can only come from someone who has actually taken the time to learn the system. Even your description of the R5 is spot on to all the videos I’ve watch. I love the tech wars and watch as many different camera videos as I can. Competition, is good for all brand shooters. I shoot lossless compression 14 bit on my Z8. Card choice for Z8/Z9 is really important. My one Sony Tough Card doesn’t work well, but the Delkin Black is a speed Demond. What a great video… Keep them coming. As you mentioned there are a few situations where the Z8 AF struggles. Maybe Nikon will see your video and push an AF firmware!

@FabianFoppNaturephotography

8 ай бұрын

Thanks a lot for your kind words 😊

@mareklesniak8768

8 ай бұрын

I think Nikon Z8/9 they both have smaller buffer but have higher write speeds so they more rely on and benefit from faster CFeB cards, whereas Canon R5/R6/R3 have bigger buffer but slower write speeds, so are not as much sensitive to card performance as Nikon. What I mean, is that having Delkin Black CFeB car or similar is more beneficial with the Nikon cameras for sustained high fps over more than few seconds vs the Canon, which gives very similar fps until it hits the buffer and only then, when flushing the buffer, you have some benefit from faster cards.

Great video. Thanks for sharing.

@FabianFoppNaturephotography

8 ай бұрын

Thanks ☺️

I'm trying to decide between these 2 cameras and found this review invaluable, you've picked up on nuances that I haven't seen mentioned on any other reviews. One thing about Nikon is they are committed to AF upgrades via firmware.

@FabianFoppNaturephotography

7 ай бұрын

Thanks a lot! Yes, totally true, Nikon really works on the firmware

@mLichy911

4 ай бұрын

I was able to try a z9 for a week recently, with the new Bird AF/Firmware. Definitely better than before, but still.... not quite as good/consistent as R5. Was getting stuck on background yet, like said in this video. Or seemed to take alot more work vs. Canon. I am hopeful they will continue to improve as well/add it to Z8. The Z9 was very nice overall, but the AF kept me away yet.

Thank you for this excellent neutral comparison of these 2 fine cameras.

@FabianFoppNaturephotography

7 ай бұрын

Thanks 😊

Great review Fabian

@FabianFoppNaturephotography

8 ай бұрын

Thanks

Thank you for the methodical and thorough review. I especially appreciate information about how the performance changes with ISO variation and mechanical vs electronic vs first curtain shutter. Looking at images at 100 ISO is a great start point to but in practise not many bird in flight photos at 600mm and fast shutter speed will be going to be at ISO100. I would like to upgrade to mirrorless, from 7DMkii plus 100-400 to have the benefit of silent shooting, and improved autofocus for birds in flight. That makes Nikon with the electronic shutter only and stacked sensor very interesting.

@FabianFoppNaturephotography

7 ай бұрын

Thanks for your kind words 😊

Great comparison, and very even-handed. Love my R5, but would definitely like some mid-range RF prime lenses for wildlife.

@FabianFoppNaturephotography

8 ай бұрын

Thanks! Yes, an RF200-600 f/5.6-6.3 would be highly welcome

@michelebelotti2022

7 ай бұрын

I share the same thoughts, I have the R5 and the R6 mk2 and beside the 100-500 I don't see many middle range lenses (price / performance). Nikon here has a big advantage and sometimes make me have wish to switch system

A great no bs straight to the point comparison. Two bad we can’t take the best from both & put them in one camera. Maybe wait & see what the rumored Canon R5II is all about. Or R1 ! I’m looking for the best AF I can afford first & formost when I trade up or add a mirrorless. I’m thinking the Sony A7R5 is a strong contender. Would I like 12, 14 or, 20 fps when needed. Heck yes, but live with the 10fps of the Sony.

@FabianFoppNaturephotography

8 ай бұрын

Thanks! Yes, I really hope Canon „copies“ some of the features of the Z8 for the R5 II

Thank you Fabian , you said it all within the first thirty seconds…! Cheers

@FabianFoppNaturephotography

8 ай бұрын

Thanks 😊

very usefull, thanks.

@FabianFoppNaturephotography

7 ай бұрын

Thanks 😊

Very good comparison, incredible how a some years old camera like R5 is so good.

@FabianFoppNaturephotography

7 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@planetfun85

5 ай бұрын

Its "good" when the reviewer is a canon user.

I love your videos!!! Do you do organised bird photography trips ?

@FabianFoppNaturephotography

2 ай бұрын

Thanks! At the moment only in Switzerland

Very helpful!

@FabianFoppNaturephotography

5 ай бұрын

Happy to hear that

Good job Fabian.

@FabianFoppNaturephotography

7 ай бұрын

Thanks

Hi, thank you for this comparison video, nice one! I'm currently on the fance of buying Nikon Z8 or maybe I should wait until Sigma releases its long awaited camera with Foveon Sensor. Could you upload one second of Nraw clip, if you please?

@FabianFoppNaturephotography

Ай бұрын

I actually never shot nraw. I only used nlog, but I didn’t want to have huge file sizes

I find my Z8 can tracks with subject detection brilliantly. I was tracking a dog and it was running away from the camera and it was tracking the back of its head no problem. So I find it interesting it can track dogs and birds heads when its not looking at you but has a problem detecting a birds face through some light grass. Really hope that can be made better in firmware.

@FabianFoppNaturephotography

7 ай бұрын

Nikon released an update for the Z9 two days ago and it should eventually also come to the Z8 😊

@bladerealm124

2 ай бұрын

@brandonklemets2958 how is the Z8 after the recent firmware update?

@brandonklemets2958

2 ай бұрын

​@@bladerealm124 Better than ever. Nikon claims it can track a birds eye thats only 3% the size of the frame and it seems very true. It works better when birds fly behind trees and foliage. I shoot mainly concerts and tracking people in low light is also much better. I didnt even know it could get better because it was already exceeding my expectations before the update.

Nice balanced review, Fabian. As a Z8 and Z9 shooter, I get that the Canon may be better, at least incrementally, on certain features, whereas the Nikon is probably better on others. For me, I speak Nikon, not Canon, so the ergonomics of the Z8/Z9 made me feel at home. Although initially my stable of f-mounted lenses also played a part with my staying with Nikon, in that I could use them on the Z cameras with the FTZ Adapter, once I started acquiring Z lenses, I was hooked by their sharpness and autofocus improvement versus the f-mount lenses. But, really, both the Nikon and Canon cameras are capable of shooting wonderful images. While I love the improvements of the Z8/Z9 ( versus my former D850 and Z7ii), my working on my skills and technique as a photographer and understanding the capabilities of these wonderful technical marvels is probably the most important consideration. Someone better skilled and with a better eye than me will probably shoot images under the same circumstances with an old Nikon D810 that I would wish that I had taken with my more advanced camera. But, I keep practicing. 🙂

@FabianFoppNaturephotography

8 ай бұрын

Thanks, I totally agree with your comment. Have fun and good light!

Thanks for pointing out the (negligible) advantage in noise performance for the R5. There is some misinformation (imo) being spread by a wildlife photographer on KZread (unintentionally I am sure) around this. He somehow thinks the Z8 has a 2 stop advantage. I tried to push him to try to replicate his findings (which would be genuinely interesting to me) but he refused unfortunately and cited what a back side illuminated sensor is instead...

@FabianFoppNaturephotography

8 ай бұрын

Thanks! I can‘t quantify the advantage of the R5 but I would assume it’s somewhere around 1/3 stop. As you say - in most situations negligible

@livejames9374

8 ай бұрын

It depends…. At 20fps the Z9 will have an advantage. To get full dynamic range out of r5 you’ll need to be a slower frame speeds using the mechanical shutter. I think r5 is better a highlight recovery, z8 better at shadow recovery. 2 stops is excessive.

@planetfun85

4 ай бұрын

How about the D.R. ? How about the FACT that canon is notorious for cooking its raw files, off course they are "cleaner".

Nice comparison thanks. A big issue for me is that is impossible to shoot pre shots in raw. It’s unacceptable in 2024, less expensive apsc or m4/3 cameras allow this function

@FabianFoppNaturephotography

13 күн бұрын

Yeah, I also miss that. But to be fair, the R5 is from 2020

This is a very well-done comparison; informative rather than shouting numbers. Having said that, I am wondering which do you recommend in early 2024? I mostly shoot scapes and lately portraits but I really want to get more into birds.

@FabianFoppNaturephotography

4 ай бұрын

At the moment I would still prefer the R5. However, the Z8 is supposed to get the new firmware with the massive AF improvements from the Z9. At this point I would clearly take the Z8. Just in terms of the camera of course, never forget the lenses!

@recklesscoding

4 ай бұрын

@@FabianFoppNaturephotography what do you think of the lenses? I am particularly interested on both UWA (e.g. 15-35mm RF vs 14-24mm Z S) and zooms (100-500mm vs 100-400mm Z S). What do you think?

@bladerealm124

2 ай бұрын

what lenses do you prefer? I am shooting on an R5 + 100-500mm (and 1.4x) but I'm considering getting the Nikon Z8 + 180-600mm or 600mm f6.3 PF @@FabianFoppNaturephotography

@falfield

2 ай бұрын

@@bladerealm124 So much for a cost of living crisis ;-)

Can I use canon EF tele extenders on an R5 body using the EF 400mm F2.8 ? I’m considering buying the EF version of the 400mm to use it on Canon RF cameras

@FabianFoppNaturephotography

8 ай бұрын

Yes, this works! Are you thinking about the v2 lens?

@JoelRiveraMD

8 ай бұрын

@@FabianFoppNaturephotography The V3 version.

@FabianFoppNaturephotography

8 ай бұрын

Here it’s almost the same price as the RF, so not really worth it. But maybe that’s different where you live (or are you buying a used one)?

@JoelRiveraMD

8 ай бұрын

@@FabianFoppNaturephotography yeah that’s what I’m thinking . It’s 1100$ less used like new in the box . I shoot nikon Z8 and canon R3 . My EF lenses are very fast on the Z8 so I’m thinking I could use it on either system. I have the Rf 600mm F4 and for Nikon I have the Z800mm F5.6 for wildlife but I’m thinking In getting something for sports which I’m shooting as well. The RF is 11999$ dollars and the used EF 400mm iii like new is 10900$. I mostly shoot Canon but I enjoy Nikon Z8 as well. What do you think ? Invest all in canon ? Or maybe wait for the 200-500 F4 this year (if it’s true of course)

yeah that’s what I’m thinking . It’s 1100$ less used like new in the box . I shoot nikon Z8 and canon R3 . My EF lenses are very fast on the Z8 so I’m thinking I could use it on either system. I have the Rf 600mm F4 and for Nikon I have the Z800mm F5.6 for wildlife but I’m thinking In getting something for sports which I’m shooting as well. The RF is 11999$ dollars and the used EF 400mm iii like new is 10900$. I mostly shoot Canon but I enjoy Nikon Z8 as well. What do you think ? Invest all in canon ? Or maybe wait for the 200-500 F4 this year (if it’s true of course)

@FabianFoppNaturephotography

8 ай бұрын

Puh, that’s not an easy decision. I think shooting to systems in parallel is rather expensive and bulky (except if you have specific reasons to do so). Especially with the R3, the AF of the RF lens should significantly better than the EF III. If you go for Nikon or Canon is to a certain degree also personal preference

I have an R5 and size, color, 3 dials, file transfer and ergo all make the difference. Yes you can fix the color, but why should you have to?

@FabianFoppNaturephotography

6 ай бұрын

Happy to hear that you enjoy using your R5

for the r5 sensor sheald maybe because its doing sensor cleaning?

@FabianFoppNaturephotography

5 ай бұрын

Good idea. I temporarily deactivated sensor cleaning, but it still takes quite long until the shutter closes

How u can applied presets on all the pics u took… all files has different shadow highlight, brightness , awb

@FabianFoppNaturephotography

8 ай бұрын

Sure, it doesn’t replace editing. That’s not what I meant. Just if you find Nikon files to greenish (or Canon files to warm), you can apply a preset to have a starting point that is easier for the edits. E.g. I often find the grass a bit too saturated in my Canon files. I hope that makes sense 😊

@mbismbismb

8 ай бұрын

@@FabianFoppNaturephotography got it

Very interesting comparison. Since 2007 I have been photographing with canon. I like the ergonomics of the camera, the image as well as the lenses. Now that things have changed with mirrorrles cameras, although Nikon was a little late, I see that they have come into the game strongly. Since I have sold my DSLR camera equipment for three years now, I am now thinking about which company to start with. I really like the canon but I see some things I like more about the Nikon. I really don't know what to do. It would be really helpful if you could give me an extra reason not to go with Nikon or Canon respectively. Thanks

@FabianFoppNaturephotography

4 ай бұрын

Well, with Canon you can just keep your existing lenses. That can be a huge advantage

@kosmass

4 ай бұрын

@@FabianFoppNaturephotography thanks a lot, I think the Canon is right for me..!!!!

R5 will be GREAT for making Toast >> but then I have an appliance Toaster so Make mine a Z7III (When its announced ) or a Discounted Z9

@FabianFoppNaturephotography

8 ай бұрын

Haha, why for making Toast? I think both are great cameras

How do these cameras compare after the recent Z8 firmware update?

@FabianFoppNaturephotography

2 ай бұрын

I did a review of the firmware update on the Z9. I think this should answer the question 😊

Благодарю!

🙏🏼

@FabianFoppNaturephotography

8 ай бұрын

Thanks!

Z8 all day

@FabianFoppNaturephotography

8 ай бұрын

Have fun with the camera

Hello, you use too slow CFE card, change it, with good card you can shoot with z8 without ending.

@FabianFoppNaturephotography

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for the hint! Which one can you recommend?

@Tmk969

8 ай бұрын

@@FabianFoppNaturephotography for the price, angelbird av pro se. For the best, delkin black, prograde cobalt.

@hondahoon2479

8 ай бұрын

@@FabianFoppNaturephotographyDelkin Black 512 gb is a good one to use.

It's stupid easy to discern which to get. The Z8 will adapt more lenses. It will do AF-S, EF, and E mount. It also will have autofocus with manual lenses via the Techart TZM-02. There is no contest, only the winner that shoots internal RAW video that loads right into Resolve.

@FabianFoppNaturephotography

8 ай бұрын

Did you compare the Z8 with an EF600 to an R5 with an EF600 then?

@emilhach6264

8 ай бұрын

@@FabianFoppNaturephotography No. What's that supposed to tell me? EF glass is going to work on both. Might work better on Canon, dunno, but that's not the point. The Z8's lens choices are VAST as compared to what you can put on an R5 and honestly, one modem lens is going to render a lot like the next one, so with the R5 wholly unable to have AF with so many interesting manual character lenses, it's simply does less, much less.

@FabianFoppNaturephotography

8 ай бұрын

Just saying, for BIF there is a huge difference between the Z8 + Z600/4 to the R5 + EF600/4. The R5 + RF600/4 is on a whole different level. So I‘m kind of wondering if the EF lenses would be fast enough for small and fast flying birds

@emilhach6264

8 ай бұрын

I would not disagree that some RF lenses are fantastic. I would use a Nikkor Z S lens to compare against an RF though. EF lenses that Canon rated to work well with the 5DS are great on the R5 and other cameras with high MP. I couldn't take the R5 over one lens. The Z8 autofocuses my entire manual lens collection via TZM-02. It works so well that I ditched modern lenses for most purposes. So an R5 would be crippled for my workflow without AF on manual lenses to do with them what cannot be done without AF. @@FabianFoppNaturephotography

@presise1620

6 ай бұрын

Why choose from 300 lenses when most people only have 3 lenses. It's about quality. Plus using my EF lens with the ND adapter is unmatched. Its like having internal ND filters. And Nikon dont have a 2.0 28-70 or a 2.8 24-105. They don't have a control ring on the lens that gives my camera 4 dials compared to Nikon's 2 dials. Make my camera faster and easier to operate. Unless you plan on buying all those lenses who cares about if they can fit on your camera or not.

its a shame the Nikon isn't using a higher resolution viewfinder though

@FabianFoppNaturephotography

Ай бұрын

Yes, that would be welcome

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@FabianFoppNaturephotography

8 ай бұрын

Yes 😊

Canon has better AF than Nikon. I shot Nikon DSLRs from 2004 through 2023. During that 19-year period, I learned firsthand that Nikon USA's customer service support for nobody hobbyists like me is pretty poor. I've read, and been told by Canon DSLR users directly, that Canon USA's customer service support is excellent. I've off-loaded all of my Nikon gear, and am now saving up for Canon mirrorless gear, anchored by the Canon R6m2. Good things! 👍

@FabianFoppNaturephotography

4 ай бұрын

I also prefer the Canon AF 😊 Nikon is catching up though, their latest Z9 firmware update was really a big step up in terms of AF performance

I don't care about any spec if I don't like the experience. Canon annoys me with their clicky shutter release button. Nikon soft shutter button is so pleasant, it's almost sensual.

@FabianFoppNaturephotography

2 ай бұрын

Ok, that’s really a non-issue for me

Nikon has been really hitting it out of the park lately with their lenses.

@FabianFoppNaturephotography

8 ай бұрын

Yes, definitely! My review of the Z180-600 is coming soon

Neither!!

@FabianFoppNaturephotography

8 ай бұрын

Which one do you have?

@10:12 can you stop making your vogue/misleading statements like rolling shutter example? It’s only an issue when you shoot electronic mode which has plenty of other issues . When you shoot mechanical your stacked sensor is irrelevant👎

@N_v_G

8 ай бұрын

Try being a bit friendlier.

@FabianFoppNaturephotography

8 ай бұрын

Hi! I‘ve taken over 250‘000 shots with my R5s. If you want full speed (20fps), you risk rolling shutter. In mechanical you are limited to 12fps if the battery is fully charged, afterwards it drops to around 9fps. I would indeed appreciate if comments here would stay nice and polite

@forgewire

8 ай бұрын

@@FabianFoppNaturephotography polite what? You mislead people and want them to be polite about that?

@FabianFoppNaturephotography

8 ай бұрын

I mentioned that this is an issue in the electronic mode. Maybe it was not clear enough for you