Update: DE implemented Genesis Adapter Prio, now you can use whichever you wish and you should see it in the cave. -The way weapon rolls work in the cave is based on strength of the weapon at base. -So, Prime variants will be selected over any others. -Since Incarnon Adapters do not contribute to this, you would want to install your adapter on the Prime variant of a weapon if you wanted to roll it in the Cave. DE is reviewing all feedback from the update to see what changes could be made. _Obviously, installing a Incarnon adapter SHOULD increase the priority for the Cave but at the current time that IS NOT the case_

You are my favorite WF channel! You break everything down so well! You have been so helpful to me as a new Warframe player thank you!

@LeyzarGamingViews

Жыл бұрын

I'm Glad

This was part of the plan to get all of you to use Prime so Layzar can stick to Telos because now the riven dispo for prime will get mauled. Well played Layzar, well played 👏

@AlbinosaurusR3X

Жыл бұрын

Can't tell what level of sarcasm this actually is...

Which boltor? The HEAVY BOLTOR battlebrothers. :D

@LeyzarGamingViews

Жыл бұрын

For The Emperor!

@yournan6199

Жыл бұрын

It's a shame the bullets don't explode on contact cuz then it really would feel like a bolter

@NKGerydos

Жыл бұрын

@@yournan6199 Mod for blast damage and they'll do. also if the gore isn't enough just equip ripkas with amalgam mod. but i am not sure if it still works or not

@coffeeonmyfoot86

4 ай бұрын

​@@NKGerydosyes, it still works. Keep ripping n tearing brothers

I've been waiting for this just in time I got the incarnon adapter :D

@LeyzarGamingViews

Жыл бұрын

Enjoy!

Can’t wait to see what you do with the Lex! Someone posted a video and it seems to have a FAT projectile, about twice as wide as the Fulmin, but didn’t see a range limit. Couldn’t tell if it had body punch through because the creator only shot between targets to show the fat projectile lol

@LeyzarGamingViews

Жыл бұрын

working on it Tony

@yeoericeric217

Жыл бұрын

It has a big punch through as in it can hit enemies behind a door. Tested it myself in-game. Only downside is that the Lex Incarnon has a SLOW fire rate.

@pendragon5744

Жыл бұрын

​@@yeoericeric217 Wisp = problem solved

@yeoericeric217

Жыл бұрын

@@pendragon5744 I do plan on getting Wisp Prime this year so XD

@pendragon5744

Жыл бұрын

@@yeoericeric217 As do I, gonna drop that $170 the moment I see the ability to do it

Boltor prime just because of the nostalgia for me. It's funny I have rivens for so many of these weapons because I just like them now they're worth almost as much as the MIGHTY SEER

For the people saying the Telos ends up with better stats if picking the 20% status, the higher crit chance and damage amounts to 13% higher average damage, which is lower than the Prime's 20%. If we take into account a max stacked crimson overture, the proportion is less favorable for the Prime, but still at 18%. That said... if we go for the crit bonuses on the Telos, the damage bonus total ends up being 26% if we pick 4% crit and status, and 32% if we pick the 6% crit. Of course, this comes at the cost of a humongous amount of status chance. Going off of this, the Telos is probably better at Normal and SP content, while the Prime would be better at Endurance / Level cap stuff.

With both telos and prime having same riven dispo, I guess I really need to get myself a boltor prime... I was only using telos boltor before. Thank you for vid!

i'm not 100% sure about weapons but in teshin cave it will always show prime version of warframes if you have it so i would assume it also applies to weapons as well.

@keroseno-po1pw

Жыл бұрын

yes and the prisma versions if you have those but not the prime and when you have for example 3 different arca plasmor alwais appear the one with more forma

8:30 so personally if I was making the game and the system was already set up but I can do 1 thing to add QOL ied have it show up as the boltor and when you pick it a drop down menu pops up asking which version (that you own) do you want, because if your someone like me the prime isn’t always the best option, I have an Octavia that is fully built and I have the prime that I only got like two weeks ago but I’ve not bothered to put forma into as I’ve run out so ied want the normal version of Octavia to show up.

tbh i'm just gunna use the telos bc it's easier to get and it's barely weaker, also truth explosions are fun

@LeyzarGamingViews

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely, if you don't already have both go for the telos

@iggy_1

Жыл бұрын

Yeah exactly why telos is my go to infested weapon

Absolutely fantastic content as always! My only request maybe segment the video on the time bar? That way we can just go right back to a specific section to rewatch your amazing content instead of guessing where the start of the segment is. Like in the build videos segment the bar out for like new, standard, and riven builds

So I’ve finally found someone showing of the Bronco incarnon and it’s the weeks sleeper, you shoot one guy and it has a chain lighting effect spreading to everyone in range, I don’t know if it’s number based or range but it was covering about a 10 meter circle hitting and killing about 12 units. I think a lot of people are going to be upset that they didn’t pick the Bronco this week.

@permeus2nd

Жыл бұрын

@just4universe219 have and the Bronco is doing more damage (I’ll be fair and calling even damage) because of how wide it spreads and it’s fire rate, from what I can tell the lex can clear a corridor in one shot but the Bronco can clear a room in the same time even if it’s not a single shot.

@Alaska_Mac

Жыл бұрын

I sold my bronco prime to free up inventory space before the incarnon list dropped 🥺

@VideoKingist

Жыл бұрын

So Incarnon Bronco + Gyre = "UNLIMITED POWER"?

@ItsDerath

Жыл бұрын

Dont forget that bronco also got an "augment" mod from nightwave which stuns enemies hit within 8m

Was even going through your vids and concluded on Telos B incarnon adaptor. Let me watch this before concluding lol

I used my incarnon adapter on my braton vandal and the prime still shows up. I also have a really nice machete wraith, which is the strongest variant- but the prisma machete only shows up. So it looks like prime is favored over alternative versions and prisma is favored over wraith.

@arandompersonintheworldaj

Жыл бұрын

It’s actually even more scuffed. I have a Machete and Machete Wraith and 9 out of 9 times ot favors the Machete over the Machete Wraith. At least I put a catalyst on the Machete but damn

@Brusilnik

Жыл бұрын

@A J now THAT is disappointing! I wonder how many more are like this? Getting repeat weapons and frames is bad enough. Getting the BASE VERSION every time would drive me nuts!

@GGG_gaming

Жыл бұрын

@@Brusilnik i would recommend checking to see if you got potatoe/forma on the prisma, OR maybe its do to alphabeticle? since P is before W

Wouldn't Telos have the edge if you choose the +20 % status? That makes the icarnon form have 36%cc/3.2x cd/ 30.7% sc, which is better than prime with 34%cc/3x cd/30%sc. This would also make non-incarnon better for the telos as well since it would be 30cc/2.4cd/36sc for telos vs 22cc/2cd/44sc for prime.

@LibertyInc

Жыл бұрын

Forgetting the 35% more base damage on the Prime (and slightly worse ROF if you aren't using a Riven and are using Critical Delay)

@xornedge8204

10 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@LibertyIncwhile that is true, status effects + higher crit multipliers are just insane. Also 50% more magazine capacity on the Telos Boltor, meaning less downtime reloading which translates to a higher DPS despite a lower base damage. And the Boltor hits hard enough to make it pretty good at higher level content anyways so during normal missions you’re killing more by being able to fire more. Boltor Prime has the shiny looks though so whatever floats anyone’s boat. Boltor is iconic for a reason.

With a riven, my tellos boltor does like 120%+ cc with a 8x cd so I'm sticking with it

Welp, its time to farm that Boltor Prime

@criomede9536

Жыл бұрын

Hope you got those Mag and Rhino Aya relics saved up from last month because Boltor Prime is vaulted now.

Ty

Personally I am picking the telos for this one, while on paper the prime is better, I just want acces to the funny explosion, and with the 20% status on the last evo it does get better all round stats in anything that isn't damage or fire rate. I'll just get a second boltor incarnon genesis when it comes around again as this rotation only had three weapons that seemed fun to me anyway.

@flowgamerofficial1126

4 ай бұрын

you know how i bring down the judmen in arbiter of hexis , for the telos ?

I can wait for an incarnon soma! My old love needs more love!

Thank you much I earned this recently and didn't know which one to apply it to.

-After carefully considering all variables I've come to the conclusion that indeed the prime is better, however I don't have it. Fuck - me, today after watching the video

Seems like they swapped the stats of Elemental Balance between the two guns?

Gotta get that orokin drip, incarnon the prime all the way

its finally that time, its Baro time!....wait

I was really looking forward to the boltor incarnon but compared to all the other ones i got it really feels lackluster. I mean i just look at videos of the braton one and its like night and day in terms of funtionality.

damn, hadn't considered the whole "duviri selects the higher form" thing.

The telos achieves slightly higher stats with the 20% status chance

@tgpendragon1706

Жыл бұрын

36 crit chance and 30.7 status chance compared to the primes 34 crit chance and 30 status

Very helpful Thank you leyzar

@LeyzarGamingViews

Жыл бұрын

My pleasure

I have really nice riven for all the old gun, tbh didn't expect that all of my joke gun gonna op is this update

Your name is indeed leyzar loved the video

While I like that the weapons that were used to be meh is not getting some love, I really wished it was more flavorful in my opinion. Remember the first Incarnon weapons that had the increase damage per non or crit or normal shots, I wished it was applied here, make the telos boltor be lean on the crit side, it should have base stats on crit damage with certain talents while boltor prime should have been more damage if crit was below, this would have made more sense and made both weapons more viable in their own way, now people would lean more on the boltor prime rather than preference. Either way its ok at best the vids good for people that can't decide, I would still use my telos, I love crits, thanks Leyzar.

@silvera-00

Жыл бұрын

It's a better Kuva Kohm

idea: do both

Does the passive of talos usefull on incarnon mode?

Yeah i wish they would actually make some interesting choices, like almost every incarnon choice is: You take this OR you take the worse option! We know, hard choice.

So, is survivor's edge just a straight upgrade over elemental balance on the Prime? Because that doesn't seem right.

@LeyzarGamingViews

Жыл бұрын

Yup...

yea im still going with telos boltor and nobody can tell me otherwise. i have all the boltors but i love the telos

@hanspeter-fs4in

Жыл бұрын

if iam not mistaken the telos is better than the prime when you pick +20% status chance. He somehow ignored that in the video.

The status chance for the incarnon that you pick from the Evo get more or less divided by 3 cus innate Multishot, so if evolutions say increase status chance by 10%, it'll end up only adding 3-4% on the incarnon form per projectile, just keep the in mind guys

@GGG_gaming

Жыл бұрын

you know crit chance and status chance is per projectile right? and not split all projectiles get the same chance

I have both and the telos feels so much better the prime is still amazing and claps the enemy but the telos has that AOE which when it procs you’ll understand what I mean

My telos is a menace, I haven't enjoyed a boltor in years, I got cc cd and ammo in the mag on my riven....like 120 crit chance and it's got 8x multi with status from the tree , I've got truth + the multi on crits plus the status to proc my viral and hunter mumu ggs

Your amazing keep up the good work.

@LeyzarGamingViews

Жыл бұрын

Thank You!

Well I don't have a prime, so I don't really got a choice.

@LeyzarGamingViews

Жыл бұрын

You're not missing much, don't worry about it

If you get the 20% base status chance for the telos, wont telos then have slightly higher crit/ crit dmg / and status than the prime as well? Im a bit confused here.

@sully94166

Жыл бұрын

That's the first thing I noticed as well. The telos would have 2% more crit, x0.2 crit dmg and 0.7% status chance but prime has 12 more base dmg.

@dizzyheads

Жыл бұрын

I personally went for Telos because I had crit damage mod on riven so it's much more effective on it

@LeyzarGamingViews

Жыл бұрын

You forget the Prime has 20% more base damage and ~9% extra fire rate. Better ammo to.

@Desgax

Жыл бұрын

Sadly the extra crit damage does not make up for base damage loss. Also due to the incarnon modes innate multishot the base status chance increase gets thirded for the incarnon mode so it only gets to 17.3% compared to the prime's base 20%

im glad i watched this video, waasnt sure if i made a bad decision going for boltor prime but seeing those incarnon forms, yikes, telos gets shafted with the stat boosts

@scripzesbaab6277

2 ай бұрын

Telos is better, if you choose the right paths. You also get gas explosions and parkour velocity with it. So Telos Boltor has better stats, other than base damage which it easily racks up due to the CC.

Well the boltor prime has better stats with that last upgrade, but what about the cirt mutiplier? Telos boltor has 2.4 and the prime has the regular 2.0 🤔 Maybe that could be something small for some peopple but is something that do helps for all the crit damage dealed by the weapon

Going for Telos cause it’s just easier to get :p

I cant wait to one tap a ship out the air with a bow like excalibur did

I'm still gunna go with telos boltor simply because I don't have access to boltor prime, that is unless it comes back with the next 6 weeks

Boltor prime with:bane mod, galv chamber,crit delay,vital sense,galv aptitude,60/60 viral, hunter munitions - has 104cc, 6,6cd and 60% status per pellete in incarnon form. In my opinion Prime is better than Telos because Prime has bigger fire rate,more status,more base damage. Keep in mind, if you own prime boltor, you will never get telos in circuit cave in duviri

Im wondering how bronco incarnon will fair because of riven dispo and dizzying rounds giving 200% status chance

@miguelabear863

Жыл бұрын

Excited for a build video on it

@LeyzarGamingViews

Жыл бұрын

Next Rotation it's my main prio.

Incarnon adapters do not seem to make the variant take priority, I did my mk-1 strun and I still get the prime in the cave. There might be some override for the mk-1 weapons but the incarnon is definitely not an end all be all “better” when I comes to teshins cave

@GGG_gaming

Жыл бұрын

...please tell me you are joking about the MK1.,.. espwecially if you had the prime... the only "good" thing about mk1 compared to the prime is shot spread everything else is lower also varients will always take prio over base weapon it seems regardless of adaptors/formas so not suprising

you know how i bring down the judgment for the telos boltor , in arbiter of hexis

I feel like it hardly maters wich you chose - stats are so close when you calculate BIS for both guns (telos with elemental balance and prime with survivours edge) - personaly i would still prob chose telos its realy darn close to prime and you get that syndicate prock on top of that I personaly dont like that desin decision - instead of making those guns more unique they made them more of the same

Me who has two boltor rivs untouched rubbin my hands together rn

Feels like that last evolution for prime is bound to be nerfed sometime in the near future

After seeing how ridiculous the Kunai incarnon is, I hope you pick the Despair incarnon in 2 weeks in case it's anything similar. I know i will

I have the normal lex incarned but it only shows the lex prime in the duviri missions w

When I put the incarnon on my 6 forma braton vandal, all I got was the braton prime in SP circuit sadly. Deleted my 6-forma braton prime & the pedestal was gone. I since later obtained the braton vandel confirmed in SP circuit.

@LeyzarGamingViews

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing

@jackrabbit1704

Жыл бұрын

@@LeyzarGamingViews Yep NP.

I have a feeling they are going to change that Survivor's Edge talent or either increase Elemental Balance.

@GGG_gaming

Жыл бұрын

im hoping they more of change them to be more like the latron where the file upgrade gets a special option like the armor shred

Might just build my telos boltor now

I'd still go telos cause the final incarnon is added to the final modded stats

I'll stick to regular boltor 👍

I prefer the telos since it has a unique trait that isnt that usefull but is funny

I keep getting Stug in the cave. What does that mean?

@LeyzarGamingViews

Жыл бұрын

Game thinks your to OP

Yeah I've only got the prime so that's my choice by default.

Picking Status Chance + 20% for Telos wouldn't put it 36% - 30% against 34% - 30% from the prime version? But based on other people comments, only the prime variant shows on the circuit (which is kinda stupid imo), so that puts the prime variant ahead. I wish I could put it on Telos Boltor. Guess I'll put on the prime variant.

@LeyzarGamingViews

Жыл бұрын

You forget the Prime has 20% more base damage and ~9% extra fire rate. Better ammo to.

@lucasgabrielgonsalves9626

Жыл бұрын

​@@LeyzarGamingViews Yeah, that's true. Sad. I like the name "Telos Boltor" haha. I'll stick with the Primed Version. I'm getting Lex 100% and don't know if I'll get the Boltor or Bronco yet.

@beegyoshi1685

Жыл бұрын

​@@LeyzarGamingViews though small the telos goes above in both crit chance crit damage and a very small status chance combined with the utility of the telos variant with .9 punch through more magazine size (ammo is kinda useless with incarnons) and the truth being very funny telos is subjectively better i think and it also benefits percentage wise more from the 2nd incarnon node as adding 2 to 60 is more significant than adding 2 to 72 percentage wise

@umopapisdn466

Жыл бұрын

@@LeyzarGamingViews The base damage increases would benefit the lower damage though, but probably not that much

@StrutZ007

10 ай бұрын

@@LeyzarGamingViews What do you mean by better ammo? The Telos has a the bigger mag.

i thought you were some overweight with full beard and big dude, didnt expected you to be great looking handsome dude, still nice vid

Well I put mine in Beaton vandal and it shows up. Maybe because I sold my Beaton prime 😅

i hope that the lex prime incarnon + glaive prime still can activate the incarnon form the 2 weapons i choosed are the boltor and the lex

@keroseno-po1pw

Жыл бұрын

@@ShadonicX7543 works but is bugged and when you activate the incarnon mode the model of the weapon disapear but you can still shoot and use the glaive at the same time

I regret selling my boltor riven years ago :(

I think it’s kinda strange why the primed crit chance is so so low they should honestly buff it to at least 15 percent maybe up to 20 percent before it got its incarnon upgrade this thing was absolute trash. It’s honestly a bit offense that the prime and the telos are so close any prime weapon should be the clear winner.

@RapTapTap69

Жыл бұрын

That's kind of the point. It's been completely power crept and now these adapters are allowing them to be competitive again

@GGG_gaming

Жыл бұрын

well honestly prime should boost all stats from the base model and all varients should nerf either crit or status but boost the other like the overall base damage should be the same for varient/prime... but they arent atleast thats how i see it, especially if they added the riven disposition stuff to make people use all weapons seems to be the logical choice

did we loose the aom syndical if we use the telos for the incarnom ?

@LeyzarGamingViews

Жыл бұрын

No, you do not.

@martialpalomo7434

Жыл бұрын

@@LeyzarGamingViews thx so

Conclusion: Boltor Prime Wins

For the Boltor Prime, is there any reason to ever pick the Evolution IV Elemental Balance perk over the Survivor's Edge? It just seems to be straight up worse.

@GGG_gaming

Жыл бұрын

only thing that comes to mind is wukong if you have a Gen 1 incarnon using the anti crit weapon setup since i think his clone also get the 20x damage from non crits, if the player is the one holding it (cause warframe go BUGS) besides that... maybe a anti crit riven you love that boosts something else big time?... idk man im kinda shoot blanks here

Glitched Perks WTF? nearly every video so far there's an Incarnon perk that doesn't work DE needs to get their act together, can't release updates that are broken.

@RapTapTap69

Жыл бұрын

I think they ran out of time on this update. Especially since they're releasing an expansion relatively soon

@Ämyr2006

Жыл бұрын

@@RapTapTap69 another expansion?

@RapTapTap69

Жыл бұрын

@@Ämyr2006 yeah we're supposed to get a second part to duviri that brings a new Warframe and more content to duviri

@RapTapTap69

Жыл бұрын

@@ShadonicX7543 I guess idk if they've released a name

10% status chance OR 10% status chance AND 10% crit chance. Hmmmmmm what should I chose I wonder. cringe

im gona incarnon both

Chose prime cuz its stylish

Not so sure about the whole teshin cave giving you 'better' versions of the guns. I have Hek, Vaykor Hek and Kuva Hek. Guess which one I got for circuit? Thats right regular basic Hek. Maybe it does try to prioritize the best versions there but there is still kninks to work out in the system.

What is incarnon?

@Ämyr2006

Жыл бұрын

Alt fire mode

WOW, most of those new talents are kinda weak. XD

@oljackie35

Жыл бұрын

Well.....meanwhile boltor being beast right now lol

I thought you were indian

Telos Boltor LOL