I have no doubt that Mecca is Petra. Not a Muslim at all but the facts make it obvious

Some excerpts from the book "Sense and Sensibility in Islam" There is physical evidence that the Arabic language as revealed in the Scriptures is a product of the Nabataeans who were dominant in the Jordan/Palestine area.• Mecca (in Saudi Arabia) cannot be found on any ancient trade map or recorded as a center for pilgrimage or major religious activity before the seventh century CE. 37:133-138 And certainly, Lot was one of the messengers; when We saved him and all his people, except the incapable ones among those lagging behind (some of Lot’s people tarried); then, We “destroyed” the rest (who didn’t depart); and you (Oh! Prophet), pass by their ruins in the morning; and in the night. Do you not understand?”Patricia Crone was aware of this verse, but many “Muslims” are not. The part where it states: “you pass by their ruins in the morning and in the night.” What about the one that states “not very far from you”? Distances in those days were a journey, but for God to say “not very far from you”(see below) implies a destination quite close, otherwise, how could the Prophet pass by morning and evening? 11:89 “And, O my people, let not your dispute with me drive you into what befell the people of Noah, or the people of Hud or the people of Saleh: and (note that) the people of Lot lived not very far from you!” a verse from the Quran which does give room for a lot of thought. The verse is depicted below: The picture that we get from these verses is that, as Crone has indicated, the Prophet of Arabia originated from a region in northwest Arabia. Exactly where we are not certain but quite close to the region of the Dead Sea in what is Jordan today. The region inhabited by Shoaib’s people extended from what is known today as the Gulf of Aqabah to the mountains of Moab, east of the Dead Sea, in the vicinity of where Sodom and Gomorrah were situated. The word biba’id meaning “not very far” from you is pretty relative when you think of distances in those days. The intent was that it wasn’t far. This might suggest that Prophet Muhammad (the praised one) lived in the vicinity of that region. Well, it seems to prove that Patricia Crone is on the right track. What do we make of this verse? Are we just to ignore it and continue with our tunnel vision of what we have been “fed” with all these centuries without questioning? That would certainly not be what Allah wants us to do as rational, thinking human beings whom He created.

@usamahal-mudathir1797

2 жыл бұрын

Enough evidence.. Muhammad passing by the place of Lot day and night.. This one single verse makes me believe it is in modern day Petra. The Torah has so much evidence about this. Thats why they say they are hiding it and know it like their children.

@ayhemshaban9745

2 жыл бұрын

@@usamahal-mudathir1797 This is wrong.... it's Mecca, NOT petra

@user-wy2jm9fe4f

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@@ayhemshaban9745 source?

@Fakhri-Ibn-Ashur

Жыл бұрын

El selem aleikoum biba'id I always understood that it meant they are not far from you in time. I m not saying I m right at all. Both meanings could be understood but anyway it changes nothing to the fact the true Mecca has to be very close to the ruins of the people of Lot. In deen I always prefer to keep more options rather than just assuming one meaning and Allah knows best. Surah 7 ayat 82 ( keep in mind kariya in arabic it means a village not a city) وَمَا كَانَ جَوَابَ قَوْمِهِۦٓ إِلَّآ أَن قَالُوٓا۟ أَخْرِجُوهُم مِّن قَرْيَتِكُمْ ۖ إِنَّهُمْ أُنَاسٌۭ يَتَطَهَّرُونَ But the answer of his people was only that they said, "Evict them from your village! Indeed, they are men who keep themselves pure." surah 11 ayat 82 was very badly translated in english I tried to correct it the best I could فَلَمَّا جَآءَ أَمْرُنَا جَعَلْنَا عَـٰلِيَهَا سَافِلَهَا وَأَمْطَرْنَا عَلَيْهَا حِجَارَةًۭ مِّن سِجِّيلٍۢ مَّنضُودٍۢ ٨٢ When Our command came, We turned the village upside down and rained down on them clustered stones of hard clay, In this verse it s not plural it just mentions one place because people often speak of sodome and gomora that are not even mentionned in Quran ( I guess it s from sheytan s hadith). Quran speaks of one kariya in the case of Lot that he turned upside down.

Alhamdulillah more people are talking about Islam.. positively.. ignore those who talked garbage, ignorance of Islam.

Do you know where you were born? Where was your father born? Your grandfather? Your great grandfather? You remember what your father taught you? Some decent things? That's more important. Remember those good things. Similarly, Prophet pbuh taught things like: Truthfulness Honesty Charity Courage Patience in adversity Struggle against tyranny Prayer to the one creator That's important to remember.

Glad you bring this up as a Muslim. An honest Muslim, because you just proved Islam not to be a true religion with all due respect. I pray that you seek the truth in the one and true living God.

@truthseeker123

10 ай бұрын

Truth is in the eye of the beholder, we all see things based on our inherence or base on our own journey to find the truth, it’s not about proving one religion wrong over the other, it’s about some if not most rules are man made and that we shouldn’t put God in a position of a dictator, instead in a position of love and peace

@georgefahmy1318

10 ай бұрын

@@truthseeker123 I see where you’re coming where you’re coming from but I’d love to have a one-on-one talk with you! You seem like a very unique individual. There is one truth my dear brother and we are all given free will to dwell within the one and only truth that has been and is being revealed to us. I’m thankful that you even responded!

@truthseeker123

10 ай бұрын

@@georgefahmy1318 nothing but love my brother, message me on instagram and we can chat privately TalalSobhi_tee

Also Mecca doesn't have the climate to grow fruits(2:126). Can you show in a map where you think the first house was in Petra?

The verse of Quran mentioning the deep mountain pass is actually 22:27

I totally agree with you brother. However your background music is too loud and louder than your voice.

@truthseeker123

2 жыл бұрын

I’ll work on that

@falsehoodbasher7240

2 жыл бұрын

@@truthseeker123 oh wow how Humble of you ☺😊 I’m impressed. I was even about to knock this character for being so picky and critical!

Good job, very logical speech, evidence lead to conclusions.

Nice summary that I assume is based off Gibson's research. As a muslim do you feel this means we should face Petra in prayer since the quran commands to face the masjid al-haram? Curious about your thoughts

The stuff you use is amazing, where do you get it from 😅

@truthseeker123

29 күн бұрын

Which stuff

@Mum-ni1gz

11 күн бұрын

22-7 ?

Where can I find the oud track in the background?

@thelegando4281

Жыл бұрын

Its called "2 HOURS Beautiful Arabian Music"

LosttruthsofIslam channel also makes the same claim. Inshallah you'll always be on the right and straight path of Allah brother.

@truthseeker123

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you , likewise

Totally agree!

3 Rd person has said this you are 100%right

There is a third option, that he was not born at all! If enough of what we are told about him proves false, this becomes the default option, I'm afraid.

@cascarrabias397

Ай бұрын

The guy never existed, he was created to make a narrative.

@keithprice475

Ай бұрын

@@cascarrabias397 It looks that way!

@NedimTabakovic

12 күн бұрын

But is there a fourth…fifth…sixth…seventh?

@keithprice475

12 күн бұрын

@@NedimTabakovic Of course - you can devise as many hypotheses as you like, though with exponentially decreasing likelihood!

@NedimTabakovic

12 күн бұрын

@@keithprice475 Now I doubt in your own existence.

The back ground music made this too hard to listen to. I wanted to hear what you had to say unfortuinately

Dan Gibson shows how earlier mosques point towards Petra. But what about the mosque in Madina. Madina is situated between Petra and Mecca. Had Petra been the original Mecca the Mosque of the prophet in Madina would have pointed towards Petra but the grave of Prophet is towards Petra and the direction of the mosque is towards Mecca. It’s that simple! It’s just a conspiracy to confuse Muslims! The way CIRA international spreads this conspiracy theory, the way that host claims that he was Muslim and converted now, it’s all an agenda of Christian missionaries and they will fail inshaaAllah, no that host is a planted one and it will soon reveal InshaaAllah.

Read 37:133-138 and you got your answer if you pay attention.

@usamahal-mudathir1797

2 жыл бұрын

@@monotheist4262 whats up

petra is mecca

En büyük dinsiz Ebu Cehil bile "Esas Mekke Petra dir demez çünkü Ebu Cehil in mezarı şu an Mekke de tuvalet olarak kullanılıyor 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

He is NOT A PROPHET,false prophet I believed

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Medina

There were Jews in Macca

Please stop calling him Muhammad. It is a title. His real name was Qutham!

@truthseeker123

29 күн бұрын

Where did you get proof of his real name? I won’t argue what his name is, I’ll wait to see what type proof you have to your claim I’m waiting

@PolyCube71

29 күн бұрын

@@truthseeker123 kzread.info/dash/bejne/qGaYlbdyaNnSoaQ.html

This biased theory from Dan Gypson has already been proven wrong scientifically and theologically. Please don't make fun of yourself. Petra theory is just nonsense

@truthseeker123

2 жыл бұрын

It’s non sense and it’s been proven wrong ? But you send no proof, send away buddy let’s c

@falsehoodbasher7240

2 жыл бұрын

Mecca theory is The nonesense.

@truthseeker123

2 жыл бұрын

@@falsehoodbasher7240 it’s only nonsense when ppl come with proof not drop messages with zero value

@ayhemshaban9745

2 жыл бұрын

@@truthseeker123 Mecca is mentioned in psalms 84 as Becca, similarly in qiran 3:96 there is also the fact the well of zamzam, safa and Marwa, the city of madina and various places such as badr, ahud, and most importantly pre Islamic poems talking about Mecca. But most importantly Diodorus Siculus, 60-30 B.C in his Bibliotheca Historica, he pursued the western shores of the Arabian Peninsula from the Gulf of Akaba(Jordan) through the Red Sea(Saudi Arabia) to the Gulf of Aden(Yemen). He mentioned the temple that was holy to all Arabians, p. 217; 44 1 "Next after these plains as one skirts the coast comes a gulf of extraordinary nature. It runs, namely, to a point deep into the land, extends in length a distance of some five hundred stades, and shut in as it is by crags which are of wondrous size, its mouth is winding and hard to get out of; for a rock which extends into the sea obstructs its entrance and so it is impossible for a ship either to sail into or out of the gulf. 2 Furthermore, at times when the current rushes in and there are frequent shiftings of the winds, the surf, beating upon the rocky beach, roars and rages all about the projecting rock. The inhabitants of the land about the gulf, who are known as Banizomenes, find their food by hunting the land animals and eating their meat. And a temple has been set up there, which is very holy and exceedingly revered by all Arabians." So we can see that it's actually Mecca... The view the it's "petra" completely disregards all the other things we know about prophet Muhammad.

@georgefahmy1318

10 ай бұрын

@@ayhemshaban9745Mecca is not Becca in the Bible. If anything it was copied and misspelled by the Bible? Not too sure. I feel sorry for you that you believe in that! The Quran needs the Bible to survive, but the Bible does not need the Quran at all!