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Probably nowhere, from how things are going they are condemned

Where climate migrants migrate to is important. I have an odd distinction in that I grew up in the New York between the Finger Lakes and Lake Ontario, and currently live in Franklin County, VT (the NW corner of the state). These are both prime migration destinations, and there are many others. However of at least equal importance is the qualities of the built places that accommodate migrants. The ideals for such places are still a bit unclear, but a few things are VERY clear. Efficiency is extraordinarily important, and I am not just talking about simple efficiencies (like heat pumps and electric cars). Systemic efficiencies are profoundly important - things like walkability so that we have few cars and few roads, and soil-healthy agriculture so we have few and smaller tractors and little or no soil supplements (which are often energy intensive or environmentally destructive in every step of the process from creation though distribution to application). Living efficiently in good places is the only path to prosperity I have any faith in when it comes to climate change.

More equitable..?.we're going to all be trying to stay alive...many will be from the waterless west...not other countries

If you don't believe in global warming, climate change and climate migration then you are like a Crocodile living in Africa "in denial" ("the Nile")

Our ancestors didn't dig their tunnels overnight. That suggests they started before the cataclysm occured. Perhaps the atmosphere or weather had gotten to hard topside.

Like yeast in the wine vat, you live and proliferate until all resources for life are consumed. There is hope, if the world stops providing hydrocarbons. Otherwise we're just talking to talk. We're no smarter than yeast in the end.

I'm interested in selecting sites for urban development of "New Cities" for displaced populations.

@steven4315

2 жыл бұрын

No need to reinvent the wheel. The old rust belt cities have a lot of cheap land and were laid out with mass transit in mind.

@PT-cu2fg

Жыл бұрын

Are you planning to build these cities using net zero carbon emission technology that doesn’t exist? Will all the building and infrastructure materials be sourced, manufactured and transported with zero carbon emissions?

Been saying this for a decade

Lots of hand wringing, precious little useful content here. Schneider says flat out that he chooses to think optimistically, therefore he unrealistically discounts any facts that might negatively impact his optimistic view. One such fact being that billions of people will be displaced during the next century or two and building the cities and infrastructure that they would need would load the atmosphere with a catastrophic amount of carbon. There’s no way to do that without huge amounts of fossil fuels, which are rapidly becoming harder and harder to come by. Blind optimism is as unhelpful as denialism which discounts the science that doesn’t support its worldview. Living optimistically day to day feels good, but optimism as a tenant of long term planning on existential matters will render terrible results. We’re in a predicament without a solution because humanity will not accept living without fossil fuels. If we haven’t passed the critical tipping points yet we certainly will within the next few decades anyway. One look at the Keeling Curve tells us that. Substituting renewables for fossil fuels isn’t working because renewables are heavily front loaded with fossil fuel use to extract and process them. Then they need to be replaced four or more times each century too. And that’s not considering the thawing permafrost and spent nuclear fuel problems. Sorry all, that’s just the way I see it. I just can’t believe that some magic discoveries are going to enable us to save the biosphere.

@freeheeler09

Жыл бұрын

As the fires rage ever and ever bigger, and the Western US rapidly runs out of water, the issue of climate migration is hitting home for me. It is time to move. I need to be in one of the early waves. Where will I go? There are over 100 million Americans living in areas that are being hit hard right now by climate change. And, we can survive fires, we can desertify our properties and turn the land around our homes into non flammable parking lots, and we can turn our homes into fire bunkers. But, we cannot survive without water. PT, your comment has me thinking about the split up of British-controlled India in the middle of the 20th century. It split into India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Burma. Tens of millions of people were forced to move. Millions died in the resulting conflicts, and millions lost everything and had to rebuild from scratch. History will likely repeat itself as the climate crisis causes exponential increases in climate migration in the Americas.

Ummm

As much as our arrogance may cause us to think we have an effect on climate the truth is we dont. Nor can we stop it from changing. We are entering a 12000 year cycle of cataclysm. We need to take a lesson from our ancestors and move underground. There are thousands of abandoned mines tht can be adapted to this purpose.

Go to Vietnam, where they can make any kind of Climate you want.

Um, let me um, just say, no degree um from anywhere is going to help your um ability to moderate um unless you um recognize how distracting it is to what you are saying. Just stop it. Read if you need to to, until you can give credit to moderating skills.