Excellent discussion of one of the 'fundamentals' of creation. I loved the theological implications of the sun being created on the 4th day. I've always held that God was the original Light of Creation. Thank you for a very good interview.

@Kenneth-ts7bp

11 ай бұрын

God is spirit. The early light is now the CMB. It is a physical substance.

@terrencehall7264

10 ай бұрын

johncanfield. if God was the light when he said let there be light. ALL HE HAD TO DO WAS SHOW UP! why would he have to say LET THERE BE LIGHT? ssshhhhh. when he said let there be light he was essentially creating the sun and the moon. otherwise there would be no evening and morning for the first day. now if you know how we can have evening and morning without the sun and the moon, SPEAK UP!!!

@Kenneth-ts7bp

10 ай бұрын

@terrencehall7264 God created the light without any stars. This is written in Genesis 1. Science has confirmed that light existed prior to stars. These are established facts.

@terrencehall7264

10 ай бұрын

@@Kenneth-ts7bp so my question remains. how do you get evening and morning without the sun and the moon? please tell me.🥲 afaik, we were having evening and morning from the first day. and it still continues as we speak. so what light are you talking about?

@Kenneth-ts7bp

10 ай бұрын

@@terrencehall7264 The same way you get light without a sun.

Love ICR and AIG... ANSWERS IN GENESIS

@jonathanrussell1140

Ай бұрын

Wrong answers in genesis. That's all you will ever get. Go and study something. Anything. Properly

Amazing object in Creation made just for us. Praise God for His loving kindness

@Redeemed.of.YHVH.thru.Christ

11 ай бұрын

Amen! Praise YHVH incarnate in Christ, our great God and Savior, who is blessed forever!

Btw, How the sun got here or how it works has nothing to do with evolution. Outside the fact that it powers all life on earth of course.

Thanks George Constanza.

Very good information, and I like how it highlights that God has more power than the sun. Thank you ICR for the information.

@lahoku

11 ай бұрын

God is greater than all the sums of things in this universe. Simple words, but just really shows you how INCREDIBLY POWERFUL GOD IS! And yet he loves us worthless creation. Praise Jesus Christ. God Bless!

@jonathanrussell1140

Ай бұрын

Information is the wrong word.

I have always being amazed at the stability of the sun, probably around 0.1 percent of change (max). Remember that this is so small for a fusion explosion, that it does not seem probable at all. We would not be here if this was no so. Seems to me that there is some help at controlling this. Other suns from what I've read ,are all much less stable. Fascinating to say the least.

@Peekaboo-Kitty

5 ай бұрын

What do you mean it doesn't seem probable at all? There are billions of Suns in our Universe! The Sun has life Cycles. It is stable at this moment but won't be in about 4-5 billion years. Nobody is controlling anything. The Universe is on Auto-Pilot.

Not only backwards,,, but irrellevant.

This is the bookend verse for God is Light theme that starts in Genesis 1: Revelation 22:5 (ESV): They will need no light of lamp or sun, for the Lord God will be their light, and they will reign forever and ever.

@Redeemed.of.YHVH.thru.Christ

11 ай бұрын

Yes, our Creator, YHVH in Christ, was the source of light until He created the sun! Oh, what a wonderful God and Savior He is! There is none like Him!

@Peekaboo-Kitty

5 ай бұрын

@@Redeemed.of.YHVH.thru.Christ Where does it say God was the source of Light BEFORE the Sun was created? No such text in the entire Bible!

The standard public school narrative during my education was not gravity or fusion; it was gravity starting the fusion and keeping it balanced and thus contained. I expected a discussion of mass and fuel consumption rates here and am disappointed that a clearer, more decisive argument as to the sun's age is not presented here. My secular college colleagues would roll their eyeballs at this vague discussion. Sigh.

@richardgregory3684

11 ай бұрын

What did you expect from the "Insitution of Creation Research" lol - the sun is essentially a mass of gas (mostly hydrogen) that collapsed unde rit;s own gravity. Theis process generated a lot of heat, and kept going until the gas became hot and dense enough for nuclear fusion to commence. Radiation pressure from fusion counterbalances the gravtiational tendency to collapse, and you end up with a system in balance, so long as there's hydrogen fuel. The sun has enough to burn steadily (though it is growing gradually hotter) for billions of years. After which it will go into a red giant phase as it begins to fuse helium, the start of a rapid series working along the elements until you reach iron.

@preoccupied4800

10 ай бұрын

Agreed. As christians we have to start bringing much better arguments than this if we want to play on this particular intellectual field. Astronomy is a wonderful science. Many physicists and astronomers are Christians, but even if they mean well, these guys aren't going to advance the kingdom with this unimpressive stuff.

@johnmeredith6890

4 ай бұрын

How could gravity have started fusion. Gravity is a very weak force. Jumping up and down shows that. Gravity can not overcome gas pressure. If it overcame gas pressure then all the air around the earth should have been pulled into the earth.

@jacobspencer5295

4 ай бұрын

Gravity is another rabbit hole of a discussion, but I agree the vagueness was intentional for public lamen teaching

Love the Podcast guys.

I wish to thank you for sharing this awesome ( Where did Our Sun Come From ? ) Podcast : Episode with me .

Thank you ICR

The only thing you guys are missing are tin foil hats.😂😂

ICR is awesome!

With reference to the importance of the Earth over the sun, I agree with you that God was underlining the special importance of the Earth, when He created it before the sun. Also, in the Book of Revelation, the sun, moon, stars and even the Earth's seas are to be no more. It is the new Earth and new heaven that will be His new creation, and where God Himself will be the Light for this new creation. And how awesome that God created the countless stars and galaxies as a divine backdrop to the Earth. That in itself underlines just how special the Earth is to God.

@Redeemed.of.YHVH.thru.Christ

11 ай бұрын

Amen! And how special is our Heavenly Father YHVH, manifest visibly in our LORD Jesus Christ, to those of us who love Him? There is NONE like Him, and apart from Him, there is no God, yea, I know not one! Glory to YHVH through our LORD Jesus Christ, forever!

@lahoku

11 ай бұрын

I believe those galaxies we see are meant for Lord Jesus Christ and all whom are saved by His blood. When we make it by either the Rapture or death during the 7 years of tribulation, we will begin to TRULY LIVE!

@lahoku

11 ай бұрын

Don’t forget that during the Olivet Discourse, these stats falling down to earth are the angels fighting Satan & his demon armies, or rather the fallen angels before they’re cast out of heaven, PERMANENTLY! I believe the constellations will be the one to fall one by one during revelations. After all, the fulfillment is coming to fruition

@chuckw8391

11 ай бұрын

Amen, beautiful!

@leonardgibney2997

10 ай бұрын

God created the Earth before the Sun? Planets are leftover debris from star formation. The central star always comes first. When scientists research things and find evidence for things being a certain way, are they supposed to ignore their findings? Must be nice to have a religious faith. Everything's written down for you, you have all the answers. Go back to sleep.

Radiation dating from meteorites??? I had a good laugh at that. 😂

@jaqua7732

10 ай бұрын

Ikr, that monkey man foolishness 🤣🤣🤣, they think they're apes 🤣🤣🤣

@jonathanrussell1140

25 күн бұрын

Why?

How about instead of wilful ignorance to any particular belief, we admit we don't know exactly how old things are, we don't know the actual time frame that was used in creation and scientists aren't wrong about everything?

Great video... yellow sun... 😂 The sun is unimaginably bright white ❤

Leave aside all the discussion, the most hilarious was at the end where, before the sun was created, the light on earth came from a particular source because the earth was rotating 😂😂😂

@ericscaillet2232

4 ай бұрын

it is a highly amusing yet somewhat irritating watching 2 grown educated men talk such nonsense - no sun no life ,simple truth.

You don't KNOW that the earth is about 6000 years based on the bible. You BELIEVE this based on your interpretion of Genesis 1-11. Applying a modern western mind and logic to an ancient text is not necessarily the most appropriate exegetixal approach. This is not shared by many well educated gospel believers who have studies these texts, e.g. Prof John Lennox, Dr Willam Lane Craig, Dr Stephen Meyer, Frank Turek. Given that the age of the earth is a wonderfully interesting topic and a privilege to study, but is not a salvation issue and does not impact on the authority of the bible, it makes sense to maintain humility rather than dogmatism on matters that may or may not be correct.

@RogerMiller-td5yc

11 ай бұрын

Yup, its like flat earthers and ive said the exact same thing to them. Focus on what is important.

@Kenneth-ts7bp

11 ай бұрын

The Bible clearly claims approximately a 6000 year period since creation. It is a salvation issue because you cannot use science to change the scripture, to add to it or take away from it.

@jonathanrussell1140

Ай бұрын

William Lane Craig is a disgusting specimen who believes in divine command morality, in that it's ok to slaughter innocent children as long as God has commanded it. He's sick if his philosophy of theology can get him to that position. It's utterly abhorrent.

@alantasman8273

Ай бұрын

Sadly many Christians here are trying to shoehorn deep time into creation when the scriptures leave no room for it. Exodus 20:11 clearly states 11For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. The scriptures clearly state that everything was created during the creation week. On day seven, God rested as an example for man to rest and keep the sabbath day holy. God did not tell man to rest for millions or billions of years ..but to rest for a literal 24 hr. day...the word Yom is used and illustrated in context. The scriptures further say that death and disease came about as the result of the original sin committed by Adam some time after his creation on day six. God in his word also give the full genealogy of Adam to Jesus otherwise why did he even bother to put it in Genesis and elsewhere in the scriptures. From this genealogy, we derive that the Earth was created a little over 6,000 years ago. Suggesting that there is deep-time in scripture is unbiblical. We either believe or deny God's word in whole. We certainly do not try to shoehorn into the scriptures what is not found in them.

@jonathanrussell1140

Ай бұрын

​@@alantasman8273 Tell us about the Heat Problem, Alan. Have you guys fixed it yet?

I do classes on this, and one day, the Lord showed me that the reason He created the Sun on Day Four was to specifically emphasize how wrong Egypt, where Moses was raised, was wrong, in that they worshipped the Sun. The Bible account specifically diminishes Egypt and their gods due to the very nature of the creation. It just so happens that evolution agrees with Egypt, and that might be why they oppose Creation.

@wretchedsinnerRighteousSavior

11 ай бұрын

Can you explain what you're saying a bit more in depth. I'm genuinely curious, but I don't seem to understand what you're actually saying. Thanks ahead of time, God bless!

@josephmungai1799

11 ай бұрын

Egyptian religion is today's secularism

@josephmungai1799

11 ай бұрын

​@@wretchedsinnerRighteousSaviorI think the verse Exodus 12:12 is what the comment alludes to. The whole exodus story is also a judgement on the gods of Egypt, the pagan pantheism of Egypt, (which is incidentally present in all cultures, the gods of Egypt are also the gods of Canaan, of Greece, of Native Americans, of Rome, same pagan religion) And so, Genesis points out that there is a Greater than nature, than the sun, than the moon, than the beasts on earth and under the waters, there is YHWH who made it all. For Israelites who came from Egypt, this must have been revolutionary because they had grown up watching Egyptians worshipping the sun and his son the Pharaoh, the moon, crocodiles, jackals, cats, dung beetles etc. That is my two cents

@lahoku

11 ай бұрын

@@josephmungai1799to add onto this, back during the Tower of Babel, once Nimrod died, his wife QUICKLY created a lie that caused the creation of a False Trinity! Since she was pregnant with Nimrod’s child. This is why every culture has these “gods”. They worship the Sun, The Moon, & The Child of Prophecy. I also believe that the Nephilim ALMOST succeeded with taking over humanity, all except 8, right when God initiated the Great Flood. In all honesty, that would explain why in Genesis 3, the entire world was “continually evil”. It must’ve been far worse than it is now; although we are heading there again. I believe all the Giants of the Fallen Angels died, but somehow, a few remained on Earth. Which would give evidence of why EVERY continent has pyramids and INCREDIBLE CIVILIZATIONS we can’t explain today. It’s safe to hypothesize that possibly the pyramids were built by the fallen angels (& or) their offspring - The Giants, Sons of Man. Another hypothesis I believe is that the world was populated with billions of people by the time of the flood, considering humans lived for hundreds and hundreds of years. That’s my 2 cents added onto your comment. I would like to hear about anyone else’s educated assertions. God Bless you all!

@dennisholst4322

11 ай бұрын

Spinning wheels

Sun is an amazing star thank you for explaining some of the details.

@jaqua7732

10 ай бұрын

At least they tell us it's a star, but when you look at other stars up close they sure do look a lot different.

@Peekaboo-Kitty

5 ай бұрын

If you want to learn about the Sun go to a Science website.

@stevepierce6467

Күн бұрын

Amazing, How? It is a star, just like trillions upon trillions of other stars.

@crystalclearwindowcleaning3458

Күн бұрын

True. But it is exactly the right size and the right strength and the earth is just the right distance away for life to exist on this planet.

@stevepierce6467

Күн бұрын

@@crystalclearwindowcleaning3458 Just imagine, if everything were just a bit different, then life on earth would.........be a bit different! We would have evolved slightly differently over the millions of years of our existence.

Created recently? Unlikely. Nuclear reactions in the Sun's core produce light and other types of radiation. As light photons leave the core, they run into electrons and atomic nuclei, scattering off each one. These interactions cause photons to take, on average, 200,000 years to move from the Sun's core to its surface. The sun should be dark YECs. Tom Foltz, Lansing, Michigan By Astronomy Staff | Published: July 26, 2010

Though I don't necessarily agree with all it's ideas, Electric Universe theory posits a plausible alternative to the nuclear furnace concept. Our understanding of the nature of matter is so restricted by our ability to observe from within the physical universe as to be practically useless. Let us observe with humility the glories of the creation and reject out of hand the babblings of those who claim there is no creator.

I would like to see discussion about the Electric properties of the Sun. Research shows that it acts as a Transistor. And why does the solar wind velocity increase the further away it gets? I would like to see discussion on the Electric Sun.

@Peekaboo-Kitty

5 ай бұрын

It eventually reaches escape velocity.

@johnmeredith6890

4 ай бұрын

Look up Barry Setterfield, He explains about the questions you have asked.

Thanks guys God Blee

@bobcruse624

10 ай бұрын

God Bless

Read other books besides the bible but also read the bible in its entirety and remember if you don't follow and worship your heavenly father who loves you, your punishment is an eternity in hell. You should also treat your children like this if they don't love and obey you no matter what you inflict upon them.

I so enjoyed this discussion, thank you ICR.

This has been a fascinating podcast.

Lots of research and papers on this, and it could go either way.

The universal creator created the sun. The sun is the embodiment of the universal creator. It sporns life and is one the most critical components of life. Without it there is no life as we know it!

How do we know that?

I personally don’t think “days” in the creation are literal days. The Hebrew word “Yom” can also mean an age or epoch. It can span many many years. This was prior to the creation of man and how we experience “days”, so the measure of time would have had to be from YHWH’s own perspective alone. Psalm “90:4 For a thousand years in Your eyes are as a day, yesterday, when it passes, and as a watch in the night.” Also 2 Peter 3:8.

@Peekaboo-Kitty

5 ай бұрын

This is the smartest comment I have read so far!

Very interesting 🤔

Great stuff and without all the scientific mumbo-jumbo disinformation. The Bible says it all and keeps it simple because Creation is a no brainer.

Some years ago, researchers found in an astronomical record in England from the 18th or 19th century that the Sun's diameter was measured as larger then than it is now. There was an uproar in the astronomy community and the researchers retracted their claim, though I don't know on what basis.

@richtomlinson7090

11 ай бұрын

Science can change when better data is received.

Underwhelming that there was no citation of the‘evidence’ that the Sun is billions of years old nor refutation of that evidence and just this one paradox as evidence of a young sun. As for the Sun going Dark and the Moon turning to blood; did it ever occur to you that these could be referring to solar and lunar eclipses (especially when a lunar eclipse is called a “blood moon”)

@StudentDad-mc3pu

10 ай бұрын

That's because the Sun is 5 billion years old.

@Peekaboo-Kitty

5 ай бұрын

The Moon never turns to blood. What you're seeing is how the Sun's light interacts with Earth's atmosphere. As it hits the atmosphere, shorter wavelengths of light such as the color blue are scattered outwards. Longer wavelengths like red, however, are bent/refracted into Earth's umbra.

Living in NE Ohio, the big yellow round thing in the sky is a fairly rare sight....

@Peekaboo-Kitty

5 ай бұрын

There are billions of Suns in our Universe, and our Sun in tiny compared to most of the others.

@johnmeredith6890

4 ай бұрын

@@Peekaboo-Kitty It might be tiny compared to some but it is actually and average sized sun. There are many that are way smaller that it as well.

@Peekaboo-Kitty

4 ай бұрын

@@johnmeredith6890 What is an "averaged sized Sun" in the Universe?

This is a great video, i love this kind of stuff, but i forget how many words you need for the algorithm pleasantries. I should ask a friend 😊

Carl Sagan was a thorough going hack.

Whenever I hear anyone talk of ' billions and billions ' , or even millions, I have to ask just where was the sun during all of this ? It supposedly stayed near exactly the same all this time. How?

@michaelszczys8316

9 ай бұрын

The sun being darkened and the moon turning to blood - he says he doesn't know what that means. I always took it as the sun putting out much lesser light, or being covered by something, and it is darker with the moon having that much less light to reflect so it looks like it does during lunar eclipse, which is like ' blood ' ( blood moons )

@Peekaboo-Kitty

5 ай бұрын

The Sun revolves around the Center of the Milky Way Galaxy at 251 kms. It traces an elliptical orbit around the center of the Milky Way Galaxy.

Today's Podcast won't download again. Im using pocket casts on IOS. file size is -1 byte

@icrscience

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for letting us know. It seems that there was an audio error, which has been corrected. Give it a couple of hours, and the apps should pull the correct audio. Sorry about that!

Our sun is in its yellow phase…..we can look out and see this continuum going on everywhere in the universe…..stars forming continuously in nebulae ! The sun is certainly not young !

The crust of the earth says its age. It's old, just our sun was not lit yet. It came on. . Let there be light 7k yrs ago per our forefathers. That's nova. . Pushed our moon into our orbit. Melted the ice. That's 3 days. By the 4th day your could see thru the mess nova made. That's day 4 and grass and trees now can grow.

At 7:50 in "I could be wrong, I'm not an astronomer.". All you need to know.

What you say matters. How you say it matters. @ 1:27 "...so we don't really think that age really has anything to do with reality" This is a poorly worded component of your argument. I understand what the intent of the statement was (I think), but precise vernacular is critical to conveying the truth of your ideas and beliefs. Are these podcasts live or canned? Due diligence in either case to prepare and/or edit will help you present accurate ideas and persuasion. Keep your foot on the gas but watch your steering!

totally different topic (kind of anyhow) - my Sister is deceived into thinking that the Bible teaches that the Earth is flat .... what can you guys tell me, maybe she will take the time to listen????

@StudentDad-mc3pu

10 ай бұрын

It isn't and the tens of thousands of people involved in the space industry, satellites, the space station and probes to other planets are not lying.

Spoiler alert, it came from the same place all the other suns in the universe came from.

Even for a young science student, nothing can be accepted from the evolutionist claims because it is outrageously stupid. And I wondered why there are too many incompetent scientists are: they're not scientists but wolves in sheep-skin. I am assured this verses, "Isaiah 55:8-9, For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts." Most of people don't try hard to understand his words. How great God Christ Jesus is in love, power, and all things!!!

@bible1st

11 ай бұрын

Amen. I agree with you so much that nobody understands and looks close enough into his words.

@Redeemed.of.YHVH.thru.Christ

11 ай бұрын

Amen! Believing themselves to be wise, they became fooIs. For the wisdom of men is foolishness to YHVH incarnate in Christ. Praise our great God and Savior, YHVH incarnate in Christ Jesus, our LORD, who is blessed forever!

God

So how dies this work with the images from the Webb Telescope.

We know that the sun is burning itself up at AN OBSERVABLE RATE over several decades (Sun Spot, New Mexico). Can the size of the sun be extrapolated back in time based on these observations?

@wms72

11 ай бұрын

I have read a study on this calculation, which stated the size of the Sun would not have changed because of increased gravity due to denser matter in it. I can't vouch for how credible the study was.

@richardgregory3684

11 ай бұрын

About 4 million tons per second. Which sounds a lot, but the sun is so massive it can do this steadily for billions of years.

@smgibv4393

11 ай бұрын

Not without massive assumptions so for a serious answer: no

@TheKos2Kos

10 ай бұрын

​@@smgibv4393Similar massive assumptions are allowing you to read this reply right now

@Peekaboo-Kitty

5 ай бұрын

The size of the Sun is determined by it's Mass, which drives the degree of Gravitational Contraction at its Core, which is in turn balanced by the outward pressure of Radiation released by the Fusion reactions at the contracting Core.

Light precedes the sun and stars. Light can be found in photons. The 'light' often referred to is visible light, needing an eye, or sensor. Additionally, did not our Lord say: "Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, “I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life.” ?

It's interesting that the diameter of the Earth's orbit is 186 million miles & that the speed of light is 186 thousand miles per second. Or is it a million miles a minute? The 186 million mile Earth orbit diameter makes the time light travels that diameter 1000 seconds (17 minutes). That makes the 93 million miles to the sun a matter of 500 seconds for light from the sun to reach Earth, about 8 or 9 minutes.

@brandondaley6161

10 ай бұрын

The sun is nowhere near 93 million miles away lol. Sorry you lack common sense. Crepuscular rays disprove this. The sun is small and local.

@solaura6218

10 ай бұрын

@@brandondaley6161 ... of course. How could I be so stupid.

@robertklotz9319

10 ай бұрын

The light of the sun reaches us in 8min 20sec.

@solaura6218

10 ай бұрын

@@robertklotz9319 .. @ 1 million miles a minute. The same as the speed of the expansion of the universe. How can anyone know that?

@solaura6218

9 ай бұрын

@@AquaFyre ... wrong. 584 million is the circumference of earths orbit. 186x3.14=584. 186 is the diameter. 93 million is the radius. Where did you go to school for your Nope degree?

How can our Earth's atmosphere exist next to the vacuum of space without having a firmament to hold our atmosphere in? If you had 2 rooms,one built above the other and you sucked all the air out of the upper room and had a valve in the ceiling of the lower room and opened the valve,the air wouldbe violently sucked into the vacuum.So something is fishy.

i agree

Those who wrote Genesis didn't even know where the Sun goes at night and you want me to believe Genesis is a literal account? 😂

@qd4192

5 ай бұрын

God knew things you don't.

@Peekaboo-Kitty

5 ай бұрын

@@qd4192 So? What has that got to do with what I said?

@qd4192

5 ай бұрын

God was there when all this took place, obviously, and he inspired Moses' writing of Genesis.

@Peekaboo-Kitty

5 ай бұрын

@@qd4192 So God didn't know where the Sun goes at night? By the way, Genesis was written by multiple authors, that's why you have two accounts of Adam & Eve that contradict each other. Even the Tower of Babel can't get it's story straight! For example - There were MANY languages before the Tower of Babel (Genesis 10:5, 20, 31). There was only ONE language before the Tower of Babel (Genesis 11:1). "The Lord would speak to Moses face to face, as one speaks to a friend." Exodus 33:11. "Then the Lord said (to Moses): You cannot see My face, for no one may see Me and live." Exodus 33:20. God says He will utterly blot out the remembrance of Amalek, yet Amalek is recorded in Scripture for ALL to remember! Apparently Saul died 4 times - Saul killed himself by falling on his sword (1 Samuel 31:4-6). Saul, at his own request, was slain by an Amalekite (2 Samuel 1:2-10). Saul was killed by the Philistines on Gilboa (2 Samuel 21:12). Saul was slain by God (1 Chronicles 10:13-14).

I think it maybe talking about a solar eclipse, in Revelation, when it says the sun will be darkened and the moon turning to blood. That's usually what it looks like when there's an eclipse. Of course, back then, they didn't know about eclipses, so John eas describing it the best he could. Now, I wouldn't have any idea about a third of the stars falling, unless that's missiles that "falling", because two-thirds of the population will be wiped out. Just some theories.

George Constanza

What of the evidence that the sun is largely electric?

Nice explanation special the creation on the 4th day of the sun. Not the sun is the light of the world, BUT GOD is

@Peekaboo-Kitty

5 ай бұрын

How did plants survive for one thousand years BEFORE the Sun was created?

@akkafietje137

5 ай бұрын

@@Peekaboo-Kitty The first creation was the light, so don't worry about your plants, who were created 4x 24 hours later

Yes it could well be all starts stopped giving their light thousands of years ago and the sun started giving its light. We would still be seeing the same night sky, one day, it could all just go black.

@Peekaboo-Kitty

5 ай бұрын

The Sun will never go black. Our sun will become a Red Giant near the end of its life in about 5 billion years or so, growing so large that it will engulf the inner planets and even Earth itself. Then, the gently expelled outer layers will form a glowing Planetary Nebula surrounding the fizzled out core and it will become a White Dwarf.

Whatever your ministry is, please get somebody who actually speaks Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, and find out what the scriptures actually say. Understand that the Bible is not the word of God. Jesus Christ is the Word of God, and the Bible is simply a compilation of several books that were selected by groups of men at different times and in different places depending on which Bible you're talking about. There isn't only one biblical Canon. There are several and they aren't all the same. And if we're talking about the King James version compilation, and specifically that translation, it is not infallible. There are many known translation problems in it which is part of the reason for so many different translations of that Bible. Talk to rabbis who understand Hebrew written in the original Genesis and they will laugh at you for thinking God created the Earth in seven of our twenty-four-hour days, or that he created the universe at the same. Like I said, find someone who actually knows the language of the scriptures, because it's not English.

@marionchase-kleeves8311

11 ай бұрын

Sorry Joseph, but Jesus Christ quotes Moses and the Torah and repeatedly says to Satan, "It is written...". He is the word but uses the written word to prove ITS VERACITY, not His.

@marionchase-kleeves8311

11 ай бұрын

The inconsistencies in the bible are expected and acceptable given that it was written by multiple PEOPLE with different minds and backgrounds. It is a magnificent work of God, through man with the agency of the Holy Spirit, to guide and direct our lives in TRUTH. Try to prove it wrong, even in your lifetime. No one has done so yet and they are better than both of us.

@bible1st

11 ай бұрын

Jesus was and is the word of God but all of scripture is breathed out by God. Therefore making all of scripture also the word of God in a sense.

@stevepierce6467

Күн бұрын

@@marionchase-kleeves8311 By your criterion, every book ever written is the word of god, since all books are written by people.

You don't need a "rotating globe" to have an evening and a morning. The light could indeed revolve around it. If not, why not?

@StudentDad-mc3pu

10 ай бұрын

Because it doesn't. The stars move as well, and the planets with the revolution of the Earth.

@GizmoFromPizmo

10 ай бұрын

@@StudentDad-mc3pu - That's the motion today but before there was a sun or moon, what were the dynamics? Night and day certainly could have been generated some other way. If not, why not?

@brandondaley6161

10 ай бұрын

​@@StudentDad-mc3puthe earth doesn't move.

@brandondaley6161

10 ай бұрын

​@@GizmoFromPizmoglad to see at least one commenter with common sense. Crepuscular rays prove a small and local sun. Everything in the sky revolves around us, we are stationary.

@StudentDad-mc3pu

10 ай бұрын

@@brandondaley6161 The Earth definitely moves, both in orbit around the Sun and also as it rotates.

To build a star you need enough material to build many stars, all at the same time. It can't be gas and dust because these are materials made out of atoms and so we must look for the material these things are made out of...An invisible, massless, superabundant plasma, that's indestructible and which can drift around space forming clouds getting larger and denser. This is God's Living Water...and understanding this is coming into a science so very, very, important, just as The Holy Bible says.

How old is the earth? the sun makes the plants grow, I thought the Lord makes the plants grow!

I had read that the sun is growing at about the same rate as our fingernails as hydrogen is fused into helium and the gravitation force decreases in tandem with the decreasing mass. Realizing that this is too small for scientists to measure, is this idea mathematically in the right ballpark?

Suddenly flat earthers don't seem all that bonkers.

@StudentDad-mc3pu

10 ай бұрын

Really?

@icrscience

10 ай бұрын

Wild.

@tonyrichardson2637

10 ай бұрын

if you think the earth is flat you got serious problems in logic and reality and common sense.

“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken." Matthew 24:29 At least 2 of those 4 events, predicted by Christ, have already happened: 1) "The Great Dark Day" occurred on May 19, 1780, when a strange darkness fell over much of New England. It was so dark by noon that it was impossible to read or write even sitting by a window. The darkness that enveloped Connecticut remained there for a day and a half. 2) "The Leonid Meteor Storm" occurred Nov 12 - 13, 1833, where stars fell "as thick as snowflakes" and were seen across the United States in the night and early morning of November 12th and 13th, 1833. Those who were awake to witness the storm were in awe as between 50,000 and 150,000 meteors fell each hour. Just for reference, a "meteor storm" (versus a "meteor shower") is defined as having at least 1,000 meteors per hour. So this event was 50k - 150k greater than the base definition of a "meteor storm". Definitely something you would not have missed.

Carl Sagzn taught that the universe wanted to know itself and so it created life. But if the universe "wanted" something then wouldn't already be alive? If it "wanted" then couldn't it do its own research?

@larrycarter3765

10 ай бұрын

Carl Sagzn?

@GizmoFromPizmo

10 ай бұрын

@@larrycarter3765 - Yes. Carl Sagan's evil(er) twin.

if we don't need the sun before day 4 because all we need is God, then we likewise don't desperately need to cling for dear life to a flawed heliocentric spinning globe model for the exact same reason 🖖💙 think about it

Good podcast. Day four was a busy day. However, it matches God's use of four as a preparation number. 40 days for Noah. 40 years for Moses. 40 years for Israel. 40 days Jesus' temptation. Four days to make a place for inhabitants.

@Peekaboo-Kitty

5 ай бұрын

Yes all made up nonsense! Look at the number 7 and see how often that comes up!

Earth stars , sun all recent.

Is that George Constanza?

The sun is not unqiue. It is one of a hundred billion stars in our Galaxy alone. And our Galaxy is one of a trillion or more other Galaxies.

@daleknight777

10 ай бұрын

Lol

@brandondaley6161

10 ай бұрын

Space is fake, sorry you think we are traveling thousands of miles an hour in 3 different directions. Guess you lack common sense.

@Peekaboo-Kitty

5 ай бұрын

@@daleknight777 Laughing at your own ignorance?

@daleknight777

5 ай бұрын

@@Peekaboo-Kitty yeah, I'm sure it makes you feel better leaving that comment. Speaks volumes,thank you.

I heard that the sun was shrinking by a given amount every year.

@richardgregory3684

11 ай бұрын

The sun concerts four million tons of mass to energy every single SECOND. Considering it will do so for about 9 billion years gives you some idea of how big it is. And the sun is actually a very average sized star.

@donberry6079

11 ай бұрын

It is losing mass every second, due to H2 going to He. I do not know if the diameter is changing.

@StudentDad-mc3pu

10 ай бұрын

Yes, it is shrinking ever so slightly

@brandondaley6161

10 ай бұрын

Sad to see how little common sense there is online from reading comments. Stars are not balls of gas, space is fake, the sun is small and local.

I was wondering if God created the Earth in six days and on the seventh he rested, if a day is one rotation of the Earth on its axis, how would we know how long it took before it was created? He created it on "day four" you say. Days before days existed?

@Peekaboo-Kitty

5 ай бұрын

The Hebrew word used in Genesis is "Yom" which means "an undefined period of Time." It can be one day, one week, one month, one year, one cycle, one epoch, or one age, depending upon it's context. i.e. Grass grows and dies, that is one Yom in the Bible.

im abviously a creationist

What-If the Sun was below critical to emit lights for all living things sprang up on the Creation day's revelations?!

@uiPublic

11 ай бұрын

If-Then the Cambrian explosion new species itself proof Marine balance restored to visibility spectrum longer after the Original creations episode..

@uiPublic

11 ай бұрын

But also Shrewd serpent underneath Ocean's must be walking at bottoms before hanging from Eden's Central.

@uiPublic

11 ай бұрын

But also Shrewd serpent underneath Ocean's must be walking at bottoms before hanging from Eden's Central.

Revelation 21:23 ...and the city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it, and the Lamb is it's light........these verses are speaking of new Jerusalem..... seems God and Jesus could have been the source of light in creation prior to the sun, moon and the stars creation

a yellow sun is young

@RogerMiller-td5yc

11 ай бұрын

And now its white

Darwin Evolution cultists dog-whistled to astronomers "Hey, it took millions of years for man to evolve from apes so you must make universe billions of years old. Man is so tiny compared to the universe, ya know."

Question - Do you think there was a pre Adamite earth. ie fallen Angels ???

@nancyjernigan5840

11 ай бұрын

No

@brianm2238

11 ай бұрын

the earth is recreated about every 7000 years, and we could even be the millionth cycle. there may have been a million versions of america before ours.

@Redeemed.of.YHVH.thru.Christ

11 ай бұрын

@rick, in order to believe in the “Gap theory”, which is what you’re referring to is called, you have to insert your own opinions into God’s Word, and make up scripture that is not there, with no evidence anywhere else in the scriptures to support it. So, the gap theory says that there is a gap between Genesis 1 vs 1 and Genesis 1 vs 2, where the angels inhabited the earth, and Iucifer led a rebellion to take over Heaven, to make himself like the Most High YHVH, and the first earth was destroyed, so YHVH created everything on it all over again, based on the fact that the scriptures say the earth was without form and void, and scriptures elsewhere that say YHVH did not create the earth to be without form and void. I don’t recall exactly where the latter scriptures are, I have memory retention issues due to a brain injury, but I can remember the verses themselves, just not the location sometimes. You should be able to easily find it. Anyhow, that’s why YHVH filled the earth with life, because He didn’t create it to sit empty, void, and He created order on the earth, because He didn’t create it to not have form. Furthermore, scripture says the rebellion happened in Heaven, and Iucifer and the 3rd of the angels who rebelled with him were kicked OUT of Heaven, to the 2nd heaven, earth’s atmosphere, which is why Ephesians 6 calls them the power and principalities of the AIR, and eventually, in the last days, they will be thrown to the earth, where they will create havoc among mankind. The whole reason Jesus has to create a new HEAVEN, and a new earth, in Rev. 20, is because to rid the creation of sín, He has to remake everywhere sîn occurred, and the angels who rebelled sinnèd in Heaven, while humanity has sinnèd on the earth. Therefore Jesus creates a new Heaven and a new Earth, and there is no more sea. Paradise will have been restored. Also, after the rebellion of Iucifer and his angels, we see Iucifer is still permitted to present himself before the throne of YHVH, because he accuses the Saints of YHVH day and night before the throne, and Jesus makes intercession for us. There’s other scriptures, in Daniel specifically, where the fallen angeIs are said to rule over nations, and they fight with the Holy angels of YHVH, in an effort to prevent them, or delay them, from carrying out the orders of YHVH on the earth. An Angel of YHVH tells Daniel that the prince of Persia (which is referring to a fallen angel, not a human) delayed his coming, and the Archangel Michael had to come help him battle the fallen angel over Persia. lsraeI is the only nation that has a holy angel of YHVH, Michael, watching over it, because YHVH chose that nation, elected it, as His inheritance, and the rest of the nations have faIlen angels ruling over them. You see YHVH, the Most High God, standing in the congregation of the faIlen angels in PsaIm 82, telling them they are gods, little g, like they’re also called princes, because they are created higher than mankind, as they are eternal spirit beings, but He says they will die like men. So, no, I don’t think the scriptures point to the angels inhabiting the earth before mankind was created, but we do have scriptures that say Iucifer is able to walk the earth, because he fought Michael over the body of Moses, and he tells YHVH that he has come from walking to and fro on the earth. YHVH appears on the earth in the likeness of a man in Genesis 18 to Abraham, and Exodus 3 to Moses, and Jesus Christ is the flesh embodiment of YHVH on the earth, and Holy angels appear on the earth as messengers of YHVH, so there is interdimensional travel of heavenly beings to the earth. But nowhere are we told that the earth was first inhabited by angels. I don’t believe in adding scriptures that don’t exist to God’s Word. I think some Christians use the gap theory to justify evolution’s assertion that earth is billions of years old, so they aren’t regarded as intellectually inferior for believing what God’s Word says, that the earth is only thousands of years old, and not billions. Furthermore, evidence from the creation itself points to a young earth, 6000 years old, and not billions. I choose to believe what YHVH says, and not what man assumes. Blessings to you.

@josephmungai1799

11 ай бұрын

No.

@josephmungai1799

11 ай бұрын

@@Redeemed.of.YHVH.thru.Christ Wooooooooooooooow. This is just sublime, I can tell you typed it in a hurry, but it is rich. God bless you, and the Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ keep you in the fellowship of the Holy Spirit

the sun is now about 250 earth masses less than it was because it has lost mass as it converts hydrogen to helium

Institute for wishful thinking

@tonyrichardson2637

10 ай бұрын

no, you wish there is no God, because it would make you consciously accountable for your sins.

@stevepierce6467

Күн бұрын

@@tonyrichardson2637 Sorry. We who do not belong to any religion are not part of the sin paradigm. Sins are transgressions against the regulations of a religious sect. We might be felons or miscreants or just a**holes, but we are not sinners.

Has anyone ever considered the sun is set in the firmament like the bible says, over the flat level plain of the earth.

@StudentDad-mc3pu

10 ай бұрын

It isn't. We have thousands of orbital satellites and hundreds of probes in the solar system. They all confirm that the Earth orbits the sun at a distance of 92 million miles.

Eisegesis

NURSE !!! they're out of their rooms again ! get Sven, and tell him to bring the BIG needle !

@michaelwhitaker5882

10 ай бұрын

many a psych patient have delusions of actually being the doctor barking orders... do you walk of water also?

@haydenwalton2766

10 ай бұрын

@@michaelwhitaker5882 interesting comment - quite profound. only fictional characters can walk on water. I often forget that even grown people don't know this

I think this is ridiculous and it makes us fierce look just as ridiculous as atheist do. The atheist and evolution have absolutely no way to determine the age of the sun, nor do us theist. So to say that it is young and not a billion years old is no different than them saying that it is a billion years old and not young.

The sun is small and local and the same exact size as the moon. The sun circles our flat and stationary earth as observed in the Book of Joshua when Elohim stopped the sun.

@marionchase-kleeves8311

11 ай бұрын

That said, will you please explain the wind, the correolus effect and the obvious arc of the earth at high altitudes

@bible1st

11 ай бұрын

The Bible shows the earth as a sphere.

@RealHooksy

11 ай бұрын

That’s hilarious 😂

@randylear8264

11 ай бұрын

So true. GOD stoped the Sun and the moon. Earth is not a globe or does the Bible say it is. Round is not globe. Water separated from water with firmament in between. This ain’t hard folks. If you take science explanation of it. It’s rediculous. Spins at 1100 mph. Travels around the sun at 66000 mph. Traveling through space at 122000 mph. We have descriptions of where the stars were 1000 s of years ago. But the sky is the same?? Get real people. Wake up. The deception is great. But the truth of GOD will set you free.

@robertcampbell6349

11 ай бұрын

And also explain the existence of the south celestial pole and midnight sun in Antarctica when the northern hemisphere is experiencing winter.

The darkness upon the deep is the sea floor not the sea surface. The face of the waters is the sea surface. Because this is not undestood, we assume the sun did not exist at this time. Text that says and God said does not mean and then God said. Therefore, the fourth day is the day that the purpose and authorship of the selestial bodies was announced, not the day they are placed. Also since one of purposes of the selestial bodies is to divide the day from the night they had to pre exist the 4th day for there to be a 4th day. The earth that was entirely covered with water was quickly transformed into one with seas and continents with dry land appearing in three days. The appearance of light was a re illumination of the earth as the water over the continents became shallow enough over the continents to allow the sun to break through. Christians don't need to worry about the age of the sun because the sun predated the first day. The selestial bodies were created in the beginning but made (transformed for service) in six days.

it came from GOD.. and in the new millennium there will be no sun

You believe man and the earth was created by God. So which one? The bible acknowledges multiple Gods “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me" Elyon/Elomin/El was the head Canaanite God. *Yahweh* was just a secondary Canaanite God, the God of Israel/war. *Says so in the bible* Deuteronomy 32:8-9 (Dead Sea Scrolls) When *Elyon* divided the nations, when he separated the sons of Adam, he established the borders of the nations according to the number of the sons of the gods. *Yahweh’s* portion was his people, [Israel] his allotted inheritance. More Likely: “Anu” the Sumerian God *Amon Ra* the Egyptian God Egypt invades sacks and loots Canaan/Israel 1207 BCE and 910 BCE *Hadad* the god of Aram Damascus invades and sacks the Northern and Southern kingdoms around 825 BCE *Ashur* the Assyrian God The Assyrians conquer Israel 722 BCE and vassalize's Judah *Marduk* the Babylonian God Babylon conquers Judah 586 BCE *Ahura Mazda* the Syrian God Syria conquers Judah around 538 BCE *Zeus* the Greek God Greeks conquer Judah 332 BCE *Jupiter* the Roman God Takes control around 60 BCE and obliterates Judah around 130 CE Now every one of these Gods defeated Yahweh in battle except Anu I will still go with *Anu* the main Sumerian God. Since the Judahites did copy the Sumerian Creation/Flood stories. Creation: When Anu, the lord, made heaven shine, made earth dark… Heaven and earth he held together as one… Day did not shine; in night, heaven stretched forth. Earth, bringing forth plant life did not glow on its own… The text describes the Sumerian high god Anu’s creation of the world. She in turn roused her son Enki, the god of wisdom, and urged him to create a substitute to free the gods from their toil. Namma then kneaded some clay, placed it in her womb, and gave birth to the first humans. Flood: Only the good man, Atrahasis (his name translates as `exceedingly wise’) was warned of the impending deluge by the god Enki (also known as Ea) who instructed him to build an ark to save himself. Atrahasis heeded the words of the god, loaded two of every kind of animal into the ark, and so preserved life on earth. A mother floats her baby down the river in a basket and is rescued by a gardener and grows up to be powerful in the kings court. “ is it,is it,is it, is it, *Moses* no its Sargon. Aka Sargon the Great Please, the bible is nothing but hand me down stories borrowed from other civilizations.

Poor discussion in my view. I have worked with Bill Craig and Josh McDowell in my work sharing the faith. I keep an open mind, but interviews like this are only convincing to the convinced. The narrative is poor and does a disservice to the minds and intellects of thousands of scientists who painstakingly piece evidence together. We debate everything in great detail, pick holes in each other's theories and struggle to get to the best understanding we can. Most of what these guys are saying is a distortion of what actually is believed, made to sound flippant and naive. It is based on a particular view of scripture which is held by a decreasing number of evangelical Christians who would class themselves as conservative and Bible believing. What I find really disheartening is that the presenters must know that they are twisting things in order to prove a point. An example being that astronomy has taken its cue from paleontology. We don't have to prove that the Earth is more than four billion years old in order to call into question the young Earth position, we only have to prove that it is more than six thousand. Every single piece of evidence supports this. I got as far as snowball Earth and faint young sun. It was said as if this is some childish belief that a few scientists have come up with, but has no evidence. What I find amazing is that God has created people who can know Him, but has done so patiently and timely. That God would do this so meticulously is more revealing of the nature of God, than the idea that He would do so in six days.

@warrenbuffett920

9 ай бұрын

Well, atleast one reasonable comment here.

God can create stars and planets - but he can't defeat armies if they have iron chariots apparently (Judges 1:19)

@speleoth

10 ай бұрын

"They" in that passage is referring to the men of Judah, not God. Please read the whole passage before where they take the land God promised (Judges 1:2) into their hands. God's will was done even though the men of Judah couldn't drive out the people of the plains. A straightforward reading of the whole passage often resolves these pithy points. God bless!

@davepugh2519

10 ай бұрын

@@speleoth Here is the King James version. "And the Lord was with Judah; and he drove out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron." It's clear that it was God who was unable to drive them out. The fact is, the people of Judah never really had god with them, they just thought they did - like people always do when they're winning. Then, when they start losing, they have to come up with excuses for their imaginary gods' shortcomings.

Why is it when creatiinists say about the Earth being 6000 years old they still bang on about planets and space? Let there be a firmament to separate the waters above from the Waters below! If anyone believes in creation they have to believe that the Earth is flat! You cant have it both ways!

Earth had to be warm for evolution to happen.

@shawnpa

11 ай бұрын

They can't even duplicate necessary evolution events in a lab.

@williamwwjd12345

11 ай бұрын

In the beginning god

Food for thought 2 peter 3 verse 8 8) but beloved,be not ignorant of this one thing,that one day is with the lord as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day. By reason the universe and all within was created In six thousand years. now calculate from the family of the Sona of Adam all the way to christ.add 2000 years and you have the approximate age of the universe + or - a few years Crazy huh? Maybe, but I doubt it. Nothing is impossible for God.

The sun isn't yellow, 0:30. Unless they are thinking of a different sun to the one I know.

@roberteytchison556

10 ай бұрын

Yellow refers to size and composition and not actual visible color.

@StudentDad-mc3pu

10 ай бұрын

Actually the light from the sun is slightly yellow

@michaelatkinson4815

10 ай бұрын

@@roberteytchison556 neither size, nor composition is a colour

@michaelatkinson4815

10 ай бұрын

@@StudentDad-mc3pu the only time light from the sun has had a yellowish hue in my experience was during bushfires but that was due to ash in the atmosphere. The sun itself is not yellow, nor is the light from the sun.

@StudentDad-mc3pu

10 ай бұрын

@@michaelatkinson4815 You are right!!! Sunlight contains all the wavelengths of the visible spectrum however the peaks are actually in the green, roughly in the middle of our vision. It appears yellow on the surface of the earth because of the atmosphere and for the same reason that the sky appears blue.