Hey ho! Daddy likes leather! I appreciate the dive into comics lore, but I think it's important, especially when talking about visual elements of those comics, to name the artists and not just the writers. Grant Morrison didn't draw squat. Jill Thompson and Steve Yeowell took turns on the first volume, and continued to contribute throughout the run. Frank Quitely was the designer of Morrison's revamped X-Men. Don't forget the artists!

@ItsGregKon

2 жыл бұрын

Facts! Great point. Those books and designs would be nothing without the artists.

@rottensquid

2 жыл бұрын

@@ItsGregKon I know you just can't squeeze everything into every video, of course. And with Invisibles with its rotating roster of artists, it's hard to credit how much who added to what. But I assume Jill probably brought a flair for style that couldn't have been conveyed simply by script. She's a stylish lady. Though I don't know how much reference Morrison passed on. It was the 90s, though, so reference wasn't at the tips of our fingers at the time.

@christopherlee8989

Жыл бұрын

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The MCU X-Men should have a line saying: “You actually go outside in these things?” “What would you prefer? Black leather?”

@kyocallscats

2 жыл бұрын

Yes please, i hate how fox-men producers were ashamed of comic accurate designs

@pian-0g445

2 жыл бұрын

It would be even funnier if said to Logan.

@JP-1990

Жыл бұрын

And I'd be there to say "Actually? Probably."

@jaski4022

Жыл бұрын

It's not that the MCU isn't ashamed of the comic costumes. Look at TaskMaster, or the Eternals, or Captain America after the first Avengers movie.

@FriedProfile

Жыл бұрын

@@JP-1990 Honestly. MCU suits all look the same it's tiring

I will continue to applaud Olivia Munn for how Bryan Singer tried to put Psylocke in a modest black outfit for X-Men: Apocalypse and she fought for that purple leotard because she was that big a fan of the character. When the Wonder Woman movie came out, one costume designer compiled an interesting Twitter thread about how the design for Diana's costume was obviously inspired by actual Greek armour and previous live action versions were traced back to lingerie and fetish gear.

@ItsGregKon

2 жыл бұрын

Olivia Munn is so cool. Too bad she didn't have more to do in that movie, but the look is spot on. The Wonder Woman costume is fantastic, bravo to those designers.

@rottensquid

2 жыл бұрын

The Wonder Woman costume was cool (in the first film, at least), but a few years before it came out, a cosplayer named Meagan Marie did an even more roman-inspired version that's absolutely stunning. Worth looking up.

@BetterWithBob

Жыл бұрын

I just looked that cosplay up now. It is spectacular :D

Considering the massive pop the X-Men got at the end of Apocalypse when they had a sort of modernized version of their comic costumes proves that people WANT those costumes. Though I will never forgive the studios for making Goblin a flight suit and not an actual goblin creature.

@ItsGregKon

2 жыл бұрын

Riiiiight? People were STARVING for colorful X-Men. And yeah, it's a crime to cover DaFoe's face in a movie imo

@uncannydcmarvelous5732

2 жыл бұрын

And then for the infamous Dark Phoenix movie, ironically went for the Grant Morrison run costumes' design, what an odd full circle that was (?

@hadriangonzalez607

2 жыл бұрын

Not at that time they weren't.. sure with retro hindsight eyes we can say those statements.. but you really have to look at the collective psyche of the time. I grew up in that time.. i was in middle school (prime targeted democratic) heck i remember having an awesome Spiderman's limited edition Ecko shirt.. The Spider-Man would transom to the black symbiote spiderman.. And i never wore it to school.. Nerd culture wasn't popular.. Heck even anime talk you would have to be selective with who you talked about it with. Thankfully i was Hispanic, and most my friends from Mexico were huge into anime where we didn't have to hide it as much.

@christopherlee8989

Жыл бұрын

Its just too bad those didnt carry over to the next film.

@mrcritical6751

Жыл бұрын

To be fair with Goblin they did create a few Green Goblin animatronic masks but they just made him look like a Power Rangers villain…I mean more like a Power Rangers villain

Speaking of Raimi's Spider Man, i always hear people complaining about the Green Goblin in the first movie, and i get it, it's far from accurate, but considering the early 2000's trend it's kinda of a miracle that we end up having a Green Goblin that actually wears green and not a black/grey armor with greenwish tones. And yeah, i know about the discarded animatronic mask and stuff and i think it's great, but i'm not sure if people at the time would have accept it that look, since it's too much 80's style, something almost taken from David Bowies's Labyrinth. So in the end the design we had is almost like a balance between the comic book visual and the tactical and pratical early 2000's style, and i honestly think it's pretty good, not perfect, the only real problem to me is the mask, but overall still good. Also people say it looks like a power ranger costume, and...yeah...it does...but since when is this a bad a thing? Ant-man costume is basically a Kamen Rider suit and it fucking rules! Actually for me the fact that looks like a Japanese super sentai costume kinda gives more personality to it, they tried to make it look tactical and pratical and more realistic but in the end it looks like a freaking Japanese Sentai, the peak of stravaganza, and that's hilarious.

@ItsGregKon

2 жыл бұрын

When you put it like that, I can definitely appreciate it for its wierdness lol. It's a unique product of the times and unlike anything else.

@dimitrescu182

2 жыл бұрын

Dafoe's Green Goblin still creeped me out despite looking like a Power Rangers villain. And I also agree that MCU Ant-Man and Wasp looks like a Kamen Rider

This was absolutely fantastic! I never fully considered the history or reasoning that led to the X-Men leather outfits. Tying that cinematic trend in with the history of comics, fashion, and pop culture context was all expertly told! Tie in some great editing and scripting gags, and I was hooked the whole time! I'll have to go hunting around your channel some more here!

@ItsGregKon

2 жыл бұрын

Whoa it's Graeme! You do great work so that means a lot, thank you! I really enjoyed your recent LotR video. Also the Flash Game deep dives (and preservation) are always excellent and much appreciated.

@2leftthumbs

2 жыл бұрын

@@ItsGregKon I appreciate that very much! It was clear from the video topic, examples, inserts, references, and all that that we grew up surrounded by very similar things! Glad to hear Flash games are maybe one more to add to that list of common interests :D

The 2000's were an insane time to be alive.....In a good way

"lots of magik, time travelling, secret mind control, gender bending" im now totally sold on the series because of this glowing recommendation, thanks!

@ItsGregKon

2 жыл бұрын

It's really a special story. If you're into anything on that list you're in for a wild ride!

I love this video essay, but I have an interesting point to make: the 1989's The Punisher was the first one to change the comic book look of a character towards leather jacket and pants. Arguably a change inspired by 1989's Batman promotional materials, but no one really knows.

@ItsGregKon

2 жыл бұрын

You're so right! Punisher was definitely an influence on the leather trend, idk how I missed that

@ProjektTaku

2 жыл бұрын

for the punisher it made sense with his comic costume and overall theme. The problem come from the fact that other more outlandish superhero properties copied the the look without understand why it worked.

At least in yellow spandex they could have moved properly.

Came here from 2 left thumbs, holy crap this video is well made! You're gonna be a big KZreadr one day, I can feel it. Keep at the comprehensive work!

@ItsGregKon

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! One day you'll be able to tell everyone you followed this channel before it blew up 😎

@TheRealFrozenFire

2 жыл бұрын

@@ItsGregKon "I watched Cinnakon before it was cool."

oh shoot even the Darwyn Cooke Catwoman design from 2000s had leather, she was like covered with 60s sci-fi spy show looking costume, though it looked extremely cool.

@ItsGregKon

2 жыл бұрын

True! There's a ton of great leather/latex legacy with Catwoman looks. Unfortunately Catwoman 2004 doesn't do them justice

@TheZooropaBaby

2 жыл бұрын

@@ItsGregKon considering Catwoman costume before this was that godawful horny Jim Balent one, that's a huge improvement for sure.

Incredibly underrated channel. This new *sub* likes leather :b

@ItsGregKon

2 жыл бұрын

Woohoo welcome to the club!!

Hot Take: I really dig The Flash S01 suit more than the other outfits (especially season 5 and 6). I think it was really meant to be his debut costume for the first season which I think was pretty good. I am not fond of The Flash costume with many lines and a weird-look cowl.

@jeffneinenstein5923

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Especially once he gets the white and yellow symbol, it actually looks pretty good. And they do give a good reason for the leathery look, saying it was designed to be flame retardant, which makes sense for a guy who can pretty much jog at the speed of sound. I’ll admit the leather is a bit too much in some areas though, and I think if they toned it down below the waist, I think it’d be perfect.

@kmaximusconnor3665

2 жыл бұрын

I feel like to some extent leather makes sense for flash, maybe not the best for running but there is a reason bikers chose it as their main attire, especially considering the dangers of riding a motorcycle. Flash trips or gets his legs whacked out from under him by some villain that leather is gonna save him a whole lot of pain.

@AustinNGrayson

Жыл бұрын

Full agree. For me it’s a tie between his S1 suit and his S2/S3 suit.

I really like this video and your recent batman one as well. Both are well edited and the commentary is engaging, keep it up!

I'm surprised you didn't mention the Deadpool costume. It is definitely a mix of leather and tactical fetish in a post leather era.

@ItsGregKon

2 жыл бұрын

You're right! He was originally created as a parody of 90s tacti-cool superheroes

Glad to ha e you back King!

I actually think the x-men suits weren't bad for there time but I kinda wish they evolved into the classic suits. Here's what I mean. The first movie with the dark leather, representing how mutants have to hide who they are whilst not being to outlandish for the audiences. The second movie adding yellow into the x's, showing how mutants are being more accepted but still conforming, along with getting a bit more crazy due to there nurtured audience whilst still being pretty conservative. The 3rd should go full comic suit, showing how the mutants are finally accepting who they are and paying-off their built up trust with the audience to take these character seriously.

Ah yes, my favorite superhero Leatherine, Snikt!

@ItsGregKon

2 жыл бұрын

He really does go outside in those things!

oooh the eXistenZ reference

That guy on the scooter with that monkey ball music in the background was unexpectedly hilarious for some reason. Great video btw, been watching your ghost world one too, and i must say I'm really glad I stumbled upon your channel, amazing work !

@ItsGregKon

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Happy to hear you enjoyed that 😁

Halle berrys suit is so sexy with it and also that Cape is makes her look soo good

One of the oddest design choices in the MCU, in which I love the design but don’t like the context in which it was used for, is taskmaster. He straight up looks like Kamen Rider or Power ranger. I just wished they used the design philosophy for her design for someone else in which it would make more sense. Especially with how they’re planning to introduce more younger heroes.

The invisibles is a total mindfuck. I need to re read those now…

I appreciate the little sliver of Sly Cooper ambient music.

God damn there's more leather and latex here than my search history

Huh, feels like this should have about ten times more views than it does. Great stuff

Astonishing content as per usual mate! Great choice of topic too

@ItsGregKon

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks a ton Jack! Was actually just watching your modern horror tier list, love it

I'd be interested to hear your take on the outfits in the Injustice 2 game. The graphics are really good so it's not cartoonish, yet the costumes are colorful, it looks like really high quality cosplay. Also, when the inevitable MCU X-men happen.... comic book accurate. It's time.

@ItsGregKon

2 жыл бұрын

I haven't played or read Injustice, but I've seen a lot of it. I like the color pallet for sure, but I find their suits a little too bulky/armored for me. But of course, the bulk makes sense in the context of the story so I get it as a design choice.

Great editing 👍

Also don’t forget the matrix also took cues from AKIRA, ghost in the shell, and dark city.

And why when Jon Watts in Far From Home made fun of Peter breathing spandex for no reason, taking away that magic from the character, no one says anything? In my opinion, out of context, but the X Men costumes did not look so bad for their time. I also read that Singer wanted his X Men to be a kind of secret agents, that is why the change of clothing and for the realistic universe that he was presenting did not it was so wrong under that context

tbf for years after the xmen movie, people screamed to see the yellow spandex look on wolverine

This was so good

@ItsGregKon

2 жыл бұрын

So glad you enjoyed!

Oh yeah Daddy likes leather 😂 Seriously I will be interest to hear your take on the last matrix !

@ItsGregKon

2 жыл бұрын

I'm conflicted about the new Matrix, not sure how to feel. It had some nice ideas but I also felt like nobody wanted to make it. The colors were beautiful, I'll give it that. But I think it proves that nothing will ever come close to the first one.

Aaah Trenton going to the country club 😂 Mommy likes leather!

@ItsGregKon

2 жыл бұрын

Someone get my boy Trenton a white claw already

Daddy likes leather

I'm pretty sure alot of heroes & villains costumes in the comics wear white eyed masks but not in the films adaptation. Deadpool got it right even through his film costume wasn't that accurate. There's really no excuse why to not add it using CGI since majority of superhero movies nowadays rely on CGI.

wasnt the first superhero esque thing with black leather was more of the crow?

Daddy likes leather! About Smaville's Superman, I much prefer black duster leather over blue pyjamas with red underwear on top. I never liked Superman's comic costume at all.

0:18 Affleck’s DD suit wasn’t so bad. But you should never use leather as the material of your suit

Cool

Something that says.... leather daddy?

I think they used leather because of the popularity of the Matrix since the actors in that movie wore leather.

daddy likes leather............ imagine having creative comments.....

@ItsGregKon

2 жыл бұрын

Who needs creativity when we got LEATHER!!

@TotoisBored

2 жыл бұрын

@@ItsGregKon HELLLL YEAH LEATHER BABY WOOOOOO

Cat woman was feeling herself in that leather. Daddy likes.

Blade came out before the matrix tho

I love leather!

the truth is they were simply afraid to be camp, gay, or to slay

@rottensquid

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, there's something deeply sad about these utterly sexless men, covered in armor that conceals their bodies completely whilst imitating the appearance of masculine power. But they dare not imitate it too closely by adding nipples, because that'd be gay, right? Funny how none of the female superheroes wear fake muscles.

Honestly, leather in costumes can work pretty well if it’s not head-to-toe. Too much of a decent thing & all that.

I got to be honest with you chief, the reality of somebody wearing an actual superhero costume is goofy. That's literally all there was to it. We're seeing more nowadays with outfits look more tactical for some heroes or more homage-like with outfits with similar color schemes like in titans or similar productions (i know That's a bad example but still) Edit: good fucking god i never watched anything from the cw what the fuck is that. I think those outfits were actually more of a neoprene and thick rubber mix

@ItsGregKon

Жыл бұрын

I really dig the goofy factor tho! It's fun

And now superhero movies nowadays are practically ashamed of what they are. What's that You have a serious moment that could be slightly melodramatic better put a comedy thing in there Don't want people to actually give a crap. What's that we're supposedly deep and philosophical because we reference cause we reference some current event nope don't have the timeless nature of the older films. What's that we gotta keep a consistent look for the brand no artistic vision here That might get in the way with the cheap crossover movie no one cares about. I mean yeah costumes look better but what did we really gain at the end of the day.

Wait, superheroes and villains are just weird perverts who play rough in public? Neat

@ItsGregKon

2 жыл бұрын

Damn right!

Actually the x-men suits in the first movie are comic accurate they are the ultimate suits not the 616 suits u keep talking about in the video the ultimate marvel universe was pretty much done for people who did want to go back through the year of the 616 universe so they could read this universe and not have to worry about not knowing things from the years in the past

@ItsGregKon

2 жыл бұрын

Ultimate X-Men started in 2001, a year after the first X-Men movie came out. Same year as Grant Morrison's New X Men, so definitely some cross pollination going on between the movies and comics costume designs there. I grew up on the Ultimate universe, it's fun! Especially Ultimate Spider-Man

Daddy likes leather