There’s a reason you so often see journalists and historians having Sugar Ray Robinson as the number 1 p4p fighter of all time, and knowing that he’d have fights like this monthly against world champions proves his greatness! Great video, keep em coming!

@johnbarrettithinkheinvente4638

4 ай бұрын

Burton Sugar said Sugar Ray could fight 15 rnds and his hair was the same as when he started the GOAT

@h.d.mech.mortenson2098

23 күн бұрын

Yes. Not Ali, not even close !

Imagine the wear and tear Ray already had on his body at this point. He had close to 100 amateur fights and over 130 professional fights at this point in his career. His career was already nearly triple the length of a lot of modern day fighters.

@dion4670

4 ай бұрын

It is a lot, but it actually not much different than modern fighters than you might actually think. The fighters in the olden days fights multiple times a month, and even Jack Johnson fought many times on a single day. That said, they also don't get to spar a lot, which actually one if not the biggest reason of a fighter's wear and tear. It is often for a fighter to get injured on camp during training and most fighters are never 100% on fight night. The closest modern example you can compare the situation before, are the Muay Thai fighters of today. It's common for MT fighters at age of 20 or so to have as many as 200+ pro fights, and they fight often. However, they have refrained themselves from going hard on sparring to preserve longevity.

@bobbywise2313

18 сағат бұрын

​@@dion4670Not to dismiss what you are saying but there are differences between sparing and actually fighting. The gloves used for sparing are typically much larger, for example. Headgear is typically used during sparing also. And the prize fighter is protected more during sparing. But of course accidents do still occur during training. It is definitely not the same as a 15 round tough title fight though.

Sugar Ray Robinson is the GOAT. i heard his prime was never filmed. He really is beautiful to watch.

@willrenoit5218

5 ай бұрын

Most of his if not all of his welterweight campaign is not on film or lost...

Sugar Ray Robinson, indeed the GOAT 🐐

@BroJiden

6 ай бұрын

Nah! Charlie Z is the GOAT 🐐! Just ask him. He'll tell ya!

@melvinhunt6976

6 ай бұрын

Absolutely ! Sugar Ray was the GOAT!

@davidharrison3399

6 ай бұрын

Ali said he was the greatest, that’s good enough for me

@melvinhunt6976

6 ай бұрын

@@davidharrison3399 middle weight! They do have different weight classes! Remember?

@brocklanders3616

6 ай бұрын

​@@BroJiden It's amazing, Even the great Sugar Ray didn't dare challenge Joe Louis. Charlie Z got in the ring with the extremely dangerous Wilder, and was so frustrated he couldnt knock him out he tried hitting a down fighter and was DQ'd.

What made Robinson the best of all time was not just his abundant boxing skills, but the fact that he was such a brilliant strategist and true warrior in the ring. He could out box the boxer, and out punch the puncher. A loss didn't make him doubt his own abilities or destroy his confidence (as it does with so many other fighters ) -- it made him come back even stronger and more determined than before. He's a legend.

@HilmarSchacht-zm8kg

5 ай бұрын

They mentioned the film about how they couldn't believe Sugar Ray could so much power in short distance punches. I've noticed it in modern boxing , a short rip will give you hell ..since the power doesn't fade as it's so close ..I think it's a very underrated punch imo

Omg you can see Robinson's punches combined with speed & power so smoothly landed right in between Graziano's punches so difficult but from his ability so smoothly & persists. Man he was so good 🥊

Robinson was pure poetry.

Sugar was the goat man, what a fighter

Robinson was not only a great fighter who do do it all, he looked good doing it. He looked so good that it almost seemed like he choreographed all his fights with his opponents prior to the fight! Marciano, Louis, Frazier, Foreman looked off balance sometimes. Only the young Ali looked as good moving in the ring as Robinson did.

Sugar was a gentleman

Graziano was a rough guy, Sugar Ray is simply brilliant and more.....One of the GOATS.

Sugar Ray Robinson, es el mejor peleador de todos los tiempos 👍👑🥇🥊🥊💯

Sweet as sugar, fast as the wind, and strikes like lightning: Ray Robinson, is indisputably, the greatest who ever did it...

They both costarred in an episode of Car 54 Where Are You? Definitely worth looking for here on youtube.

I can watch this channel all day. Amazing work.

Idk if yall got the license to this footage or just risked it but either way thank you for the effort/bravery regardless. I wish more of the ATG fighters were shown before color TV so here’s to hoping the video does well enough to warrant more like it

Great video. Thank you so much for entertaining us with your videos. ❤

Make sure whoever is reading this to buy the book Sugar Ray. Its a must have for boxing fans..

Great video mate 👊🏻

I remember Graziano in TV commercials for local NY businesses back in the 60’s and 70’s!

Really well done documentary. I subbed. 💪🏽

Sugar Ray Robinson was the greatest fighter ever

Much respect from your Latino Brethren out here in AriZona. Your excellent work is appreciated.

@joederocco9321

6 ай бұрын

hispano sounds better

@emiliomarengo

5 ай бұрын

@@joederocco9321 why you from mother spain...

@joederocco9321

5 ай бұрын

italian @@emiliomarengo

More videos of the two sugars please, one of the greatest channels 🎉🎉

Amazing videos keep it up❤

they had more class and were still more savage than fighters today

Randy Turpin was Britain’s first Black champ in any sport!! He suffered from mental illness in later life. Go see his statue in Warwick,England.

Who's that narrator who sounds like Rod Serling. How emotional! IMO, Carmen Basilio was the best.

One of the greatest! Loved watching him fight!

Great video

I like what Bert Sugar said “ it was if God himself made a boxer “ that was Robinson.

Randy turpin has to be one of his hardest fights even in the second fight he was behind on the scorecards r i p

@Caskchap

5 ай бұрын

Who was behind? In his autobiography Robinson says he was ahead but not in control when a head clash caused Robinsons eyebrow to split.

@HilmarSchacht-zm8kg

5 ай бұрын

l liked Randolf Turpin ..good boxer ..no mistake

@johnniea4684

5 ай бұрын

Turpin had a really unusual style, all reflexes and off-rhythm movement, which can throw fighters off.

Wow! Rocky G! .😊😊😊😊😊

Todays once a year fighter doesn't cut it.

@HilmarSchacht-zm8kg

5 ай бұрын

There so much more money in it these days eg Alvarez strictly twice a year

Graziano invented the superman punch,

Graziano avoided Jake Lamata like the plaque! He didn't want to get his ass kicked!

@johnniea4684

5 ай бұрын

In the ring? No, he and LaMotta grew up in the same neighborhood and knew each other. Graziano used to avoid him as LaMotta had a reputation for being a bit crazy.

@jamescampione8531

3 ай бұрын

Rock kicked his ass in reform school lol he had big head easy target no ko power

❤ Beautiful Sugar, ray Robinson. was the man.🥊

Graziano was a tough customer, but LaMotta was his most powerful opponent.

IF Ali was "the Greatest," then Ray was the Ultimate and with no equal [certainly none better]..

@HilmarSchacht-zm8kg

5 ай бұрын

I would say Ali modelled himself after Ray Robinson to a degree

Welterweight Robinson = GOAT.

Wow!!! Que cartel impressionante tinha o Sugar Ray Robinson... um lutador histórico, sem sombra de dúvida!! Curto muito ver e conhecer um pouco sobre esses caras que contribuíram para a história do boxe mundial... obrigado pelo vídeo.

NOBODY BETTER - - SUGAR RAY ROBINSON - real name Walker Smith from Ailey, Georgia - - But later lived in Harlem , New York - -

P4P champ and a good guy.

Jeez, Robinson was the G.O.A.T., but i would have still liked to have seen him against Monzon, Hagler, Eubanks, Benn & Jones Jr, they would have been fantastic fights ! !

@bobbywise2313

18 сағат бұрын

The biggest issue with that is Robinsons prime was at 147 and all of those guys were bigger in their prime. Having said that middleweight Robbie probably still beats those guys at 160. Above 160 I suspect Robbie would be too small. I am not dismissing how great fighters like Hagler was. But if I took the Robinson from the Saint Valentine's Day Massacre and put him against Hagler from Hamsho 2, I think Robbie takes it on points. Hagler is my second favorite fighter ever begind Duran but I just think Robbie could out point him. Now at 147 no fighter ever beats him. He is the greatest welterweight ever and that is not really disputed by boxing historians. They may argue all day about the other weights but at welterweight there really is no argument.

Those were real fighters.The guys were tough and had more class

These thumbnails hilarious

I remember Muhammad Ali saying that the best pound for pound fighter was the one and only Sugar Ray Robinson.

Sugar Ray Robinson was the best

@HilmarSchacht-zm8kg

5 ай бұрын

Arguably

I thought Jake lamotta was devistating

Jake LaMotta was Robinson's most powerful opponent.

@Ontonaut

5 ай бұрын

Yeah, how can they say Graziano was the most powerful opponent? Not compared to LaMotta

@johnniea4684

5 ай бұрын

Graziano was a legitimate big puncher. LaMotta was a harder, tougher fighter but not the puncher Graziano was.

@Ontonaut

5 ай бұрын

@@johnniea4684 they were both well before my time. How do you reach that conclusion?

@nyobunknown6983

5 ай бұрын

@@johnniea4684 Powerful is not the same as hardest puncher. LaMotta was physically stronger and took a much harder punch which by my definition means he was more powerful.

@johnniea4684

5 ай бұрын

@@nyobunknown6983 I understand your meaning now and yes, I agree.

It is so hard to compare modern fighters to previous guys; especially going way back to the 40s and 50s. The further back you go the more guys fought. The $ was so little that they often fought on extremely short notice, e.g. sonetimes 3 or 4 times in a month. Today guys may fight that many times only at the start of their careers. As a contender or champ, big stars fight 1 or 2 times a year as they make huge $. Their careers seldom reach 40 fights compared to way over 100 for prior eras which meant little recovery time and lots more wear and tear. Floyd e g. says he is much better than Ali and SRR at 38 than those but he forgets to add, shorter fights, and way less fights; plus fights get stopped way faster today.

@johnniea4684

5 ай бұрын

Modern boxing doesn't compare to back then tbh. There were far more active fighters, those fighters were much tougher, the number of weight divisions available far less and guys today who have held multiple versions of world titles may have only gotten one shot at a champion, or maybe none at all. The last great era for boxing imo was the 1980s and 1990s.

@bobbywise2313

18 сағат бұрын

The question should be, how good was Floyd after 120 fights. Robbie was 120-1 at that point and avenged that 1 loss 5 times.

Jake LaMatta was Surgar Ray Robinson's toughest opponent, and Artie Lavin git him the hardest, according to Surgar Ray Robinson!

The only man worthy of the name GOAT.

Admired and respected Robinson, he truly was one of the very best p4p. If you asked me who the best pugalist of all was I'd have to say Guliermo Papaleo, aka "Wil o' the wisp", Willie Pep, hands down.

@johnniea4684

5 ай бұрын

Great fighter, no doubt but Robinson was more complete and practically invincible through his prime years.

@franksantucci3038

5 ай бұрын

Robinsons best years were as a welterweight, and imo there was never a more complete fighter than Pep. In any case those two men have been studied by more fighters than anyone else, and for good reasons...

Robinson was at his best at 147...he also fought lamotta 3 times in 3 weeks as well as had another fight between. The greatest left hook of all time....but as I said he was absolutely at his best at 147..I don't know if he beats hagler at 160...if he fights him at 147 although it sounds nuts he wins even with weight difference ..but by point he steps up to middle I don't know..he's older n slower n does have tough fights at 160..so it's a lot better n closer than most of his fights..

@johnniea4684

5 ай бұрын

I agree that he was unbeatable at 147; 154 too if light-middle had been around.

@bobbywise2313

18 сағат бұрын

I think the Robbie from the Saint Valentine's Day Massacre would outpoint prime Hagler. The fight would definitely go the distance but Robbie's output would be a little more. I am a huge Hagler fan but I just think he wouldn't land as often. And Robbie would not just land SRL type of punches. He would have real power. It would not be enough to seriously hurt Marvin but would get his respect.

Robinson vs Leonard, I'll take yhe second sugar ray, every day!!

@johnniea4684

5 ай бұрын

You're kidding, right?

@francishughes2016

29 күн бұрын

Jeez, As good as Leonard was, Robinson was better, & would have beat him ! !.

@bobbywise2313

18 сағат бұрын

I actually think Leonard is the second greatest welterweight ever but Robbie wins this by unanimous decision. Robbie's output would be too much. But SRL had tremendous heart and a good enough chin to keep fighting until the final bell. At the end SRL's ribs would be busted up badly and his face would look like it got hit by a truck but he would still be smiling knowing he just went 15 rounds with the greatest ever. And it would be a competitive fight. The later rounds is where the original Sugar would pull away. The body punches would take a toll on the newer Sugar.

Best P4P in boxing history. Even Ali admitted Robinson is the greatest boxer of all time. Muhammad Ali - "To me, in his time, and even today, the pound for pound, when they say 'Sugar' Ray Robinson was the greatest fighter pound for pound, meaning that if I'd imagine he was a heavyweight fighting the same style, he'd be the greatest. I would have to admit, I would have to say yes, Robinson is the greatest of all time." "I have his fight films, I watched them then, you have them. That man was beautiful. Timing, speed, reflexes, rhythm, his body. Everything was beautiful. And to me, still, I would say pound-for-pound I would say I'm the greatest heavyweight of all time, but pound-for-pound I still say 'Sugar' Ray Robinson was the greatest of all time."

Putting Wilder in the same sentence as Inoue is a f-ing insult to Inoue. Wilder isn't remotely the same quality of fighter knockout ability as Inoue.

Pretty sure sugar ray leonard whips sugar ray robinson

@bobbywise2313

18 сағат бұрын

Sorry but nope.

Robinson lost the world title 4 times and some of those fighters that beat him were absolutely rubbish ….basillio , pender and Ortiz were atrocious…yeah on his day when he was up mentally for a fight he was brilliant and Turpin really was a excellent fighter but him losing shows a mental deficiency that king Marvin never suffered from …..Marvin was always mentally up for a fight ….

@johnniea4684

5 ай бұрын

Robinson retired for about 30 months after collapsing in his light-heavy challenge of Joey Maxim. Post comeback he was still a great fighter, but not quite what he had been, much like Ali in the 1970s. When he lost to Basilio he was 36, 4 years older than Hagler was when he hung the gloves up. He was 39 when he lost what is widely considered a bad decision to Pender in the latter's hometown of Boston. By that point he'd had only about 90 more professional fights than Marvin. How was Basilio rubbish? I don't know anyone with any serious knowledge of boxing history who would say that. The man was in 4 consecutive Ring Magazine fights of the year, from 1955-58, winning 3 of them. Pender wasn't a great fighter (unlike Basilio), but was certainly decent. I don't know who Ortiz is. Turpin was a talent but he wasn't in Basilio's class. The loss to Turpin was a shock but Robinson was far too casual, this defence of his title being part of his European tour, during which he was treated like a film star. He'd fought in Italy only 9 days before meeting Turpin and had fought in Germany a week before that. Reports from the time say that Robinson was not training, but playing golf during the day and cards in the evening. He was a 92-fight unbeaten streak going back over 8 years and was overconfident. He obviously took Turpin, who was an unknown in America lightly. Finally, that you'd suggest Robinson was in any way weak mentally is frankly a laughable statement, which you should be embarrassed to make. Hagler was a great middleweight champion - one of the best - but Robinson was a level above. He had everything Hagler had, plus more athletic talent.

@bobbywise2313

18 сағат бұрын

​​@@johnniea4684 Also Robbie's prime was 147. No welterweight in history beats him at 147. He was still great at 160 but not the same. At one point he was 120-1. He avenged that 1 loss 5 times. And he was doing a European tour fighting every week, and partying every night when he fought Turpin. Turpin was definitely not someone to take lightly but Robbie was probably feeling invincible at the time. He knocked out Turpin in the rematch though.

Did he die broke like most black athletes especially from his era did,because most or every dime of their money was stolen by all the wyt peoples around them.

@bobbywise2313

18 сағат бұрын

The main reason he came out of retirement was because he was broke. He tried show business but that didn't work out. He really had no choice but to fight when he came back. The fact that he was able to win a championship so far removed from his prime says a lot. Joe Louis was another that had to come back because he was broke. I heard Ali was basically broke when he made his ill fated comeback in 1980. Corrupt promotors and managers were an issue with most fighters. Some had costly divorces and other bad financial decisions as well. It is very sad to think Joe Louis died broke. It was and still can be a cruel business. But it was not just white people. Ali's corrupt managers were black and Don King was the "King" of riping people off. Corruption seems to be colorblind. The only color those guys see is green.

"extra 2 lbs on him" lol