Just started the video and it made me smile to hear you introduce yourself as “Junior Doctor” and not final year medical student now 👏👏 congrats Ollie!

@OllieBurtonMed

3 жыл бұрын

we move!

Physicians should called themselves ‘Physician’, Surgeon’s ‘Surgeon’, Chiropractor should called them ‘Chiropractor’. Dr./ Doctor only for PhD holder. The word doctor is derived from the Latin verb “docere,” meaning to teach, or a scholar. So medical professional should not used it with just a bachelor degree unless they do a PhD.

@Anedoje

11 ай бұрын

This is what I have been saying, why should academics lose out on their hard earned title to make physician egos feel good

Something often overlooked in the U.S. is the level of schooling that differentiates the degrees. PhDs and EdDs are the highest-level degrees an institution can offer at the graduate level. PhDs and EdDs are considered equivalent in weight to each other because they are terminal degrees even though they differ in focus. MD is an undergraduate degree even though a bachelor degree is required for entry. The MDs' undergraduate level is even mentioned by the Associated Medical Schools of New York on their website, as an example. JDs have roots in undergrad programs, so there is back and forth about their use of the term "Dr." Having said that, PhDs may have designed equipment MDs use in practice; PhDs and EdDs may have taught MDs as students; MDs may have treated PhDs and EdDs. I think there is mutual respect among doctors. I am called doctor because I am a professor and teach, but I call MDs doctor because of mutual respect for their accomplishments.

Physicians being called doctors have been a colloquial tradition since medieval times, According to William Byrnum (professor emeritus in History of Medicine, University College London). The word “doctor” as a noun back then was for those who had a place to teach in universities, which are these phd holders as of today. However, “doctor” can also be used as a verb to describe a change in human body or inanimate objects, as physician and pharmacist in medieval times helped getting rid of diseases from human bodies and saving people’s lives.

Love this Ollie, I think you were really clear about the different titles. And I completely agree with you about social media handles.

Love how you handled the topic 👍🏾

Great video, very clear and succinct. I'm actually becoming a chiropractor (based in the UK) and it's certainly true there are plenty of head slap moments when you see idiotic behaviour within the profession. As per my training, I follow an evidence based paradigm which might make my practice outwardly appear much more like a physical therapist or physio etc. I'm certainly trained to understand and recognise when something is not a simple MSK issue. Back cracking is a thing I'm aware of but only as far as limited evidence in particular applications recommends it. I will not be referring to myself as 'doctor' as not to confuse patients. However, I'm pleased to say I have experienced a very high level of education and knowing this is good enough for me. I absolutely concede however, there is plenty of (and too much) variation of quality in my profession and evidence based practice is not as absolute as it should be. That's my opinion though and clearly, I do not speak for other chiropractors.

@GodOfMySalvationIsYeshua

7 ай бұрын

Good, and you can't speak for others. MDs have almost no training in nutrition, rehabilitation or manipulation. Yet they use their degree to convey expertise in these fields of health. What's hypocritical about this well meaning monotone fool is that he criticizes the Chiropractic profession without understanding it in the first place

Really interesting looking forward to your next video

Nice new setup Ollie!

I think Dr. Last name is used for suffix meaning “Doctorate” meaning you can use it in public and acdemic setting fs. But you cannot say “i’m a doctor” cuz the word “doctor” as noun is job title, which means physician. So, even many medical setting, all physician, pharmacist, or any medical doctorate ppl, they say “hi I’m dr last name, I’m a physician, pharmacist, therapist etc”. Even for doctors, they don’t say just “I’m a doctor” cuz pt will be cofused which doctor you are. So you would introduce if you are GI doctor, Pneumo doctor or hospital rounding doctor or so

I can technically use the title without lying as I have a Phd, but find it weird to use as there's societal expectations on being a MD to use the title.

@nealflanagan3138

29 күн бұрын

So, MDs should be referred as Medical Doctor, or physician, in any situation where the distinction between MD and PhD is important.

damn that was nerdy as hell, cant believe i enjoyed it

It would be nice to also have equivalent explanations from an American and a Canadian doctor. I am sure the legal differences are not that important but it would be interesting to know the differences.

Very nice xplanation. Govt should take curative procedures

Medical-related "doctors" (MD, DDS, etc.), who are doing practice-only, AREN'T REALLY "Dr." from an etymological and academic standpoint. The title "Dr." comes the Latin word "docere" which means "to teach." In olden days, professors or teachers at universities were called "Dr." and most common fields were: - Arts, - Philosophy, - Medicine, - Law, - Divinity. For those experts in medicine, who were TEACHING at universities, and at the same time PRACTICING as physicians, carried over their title "Dr." at universities into their practice. Over the years, or centuries in particular, people get used to calling practicing-only physicians as doctors even though the title was supposedly reserved for professors at universities. The modern version of the traditional doctors are the Asst. Prof., Assoc. Prof., Full Prof., in that ascending order (in the US or similar systems), for which a MINIMUM REQUIREMENT is a PhD and some Postdoctoral Fellowships, to even land an Asst. Prof. level work. In most countries, a Doctorate (PhD or its equivalent) is the highest level degree. Although some countries like Australia, UK, Ireland, Germany, among others, have "higher doctorates" beyond the PhD. MD, JD, among other "professional doctorates" are considered a NOTCH LOWER than the PhD. In Australia for instance, PhD and higher doctorates (e.g., DSc, DLitt) are considered at Level 10 in the AQF. Meanwhile, MD and JD are at Level 9, classified as Master's Level (Extended). Therefore, when is a doctor "a doctor?" When he/she has a PhD or its equivalent. And by courtesy, if he/she has an MD or JD or similar degrees. Whe is he/she NOT a Dr.? When his or her degree does not carry "Doctor" in the title, regardless of level (Level 9 or 10 in the AQF or their equivalents in other systems).

Thank you Dr. Burton! ;)

This is excellent - thank you!

You dealt with this very well 👌🏼

Lol you really gone and did it Ollie

@OllieBurtonMed

3 жыл бұрын

I genuinely find it quite interesting as an area of discourse 😅 the law was not quite what I expected either so good to learn a bit more about it

"Hello!" "Uh, and who are you?" "I am The Doctor!" "Doctor who?" (I could not not do that :D)

Nice video, but you got something completely wrong in there. JDs and MDs are not doctorates (even though they call them professional doctorates), simply because it does not satisfy a research doctorate requirement (producing an original dissertation) and it is not the highest academic degree (both the MD and JD are actually bachelor's level degrees in medicine and law, you first need a Master's then a PhD (doctorate) to earn the title Dr. The American Bar Association made sure that JDs don't call themselves Drs. The real research doctorate degree in law that is equivalent to a PhD is called SJD/JSD (doctor of Juridical Science). Only the holders of this degree can call themselves doctors. Physicians - no matter where they are in their careers - should not be called Doctors if they do not have a doctorate (PhD) in medicine. The association between Dr and Physicians originated in Scotland (trying to give the MDs the prestige of a PhD holder) and spread from there. But it is completely inaccurate as well.

@wintanatesfay39

2 жыл бұрын

In the UK an MD is a doctoral-level degree, completing clinical or healthcare-related research, you can only apply to these programmes having completed a primary medical degree first. This is different to the American and other systems where an MD is awarded to those completing a primary medical degree. In the UK the bachelor's degree in medicine would be an MBBS or MBChb, which is awarded as a primary medical degree. Please do not mislead people, Ollie did mention at the start that this video focuses on the UK and not other countries.

@aminyacoub6293

2 жыл бұрын

@@wintanatesfay39 An exception in the UK does not defy the general universal rule in the whole world, not only the US. I am not misleading anyone, I only mentioned the history of the title since obviously the video creator completely missed. Neither the video's title or talk was explicitly limited to the UK. Thanks for sharing the info regarding the UK though, interesting! How long is the research duration in the UK MD in years? Does it include disputations and a committee of at least three?

@spiraph5711

2 жыл бұрын

@@aminyacoub6293 You're being very pedantic about this. The important aspects you should take away from this video is that... 1. MDs and PhDs can have the same title 'Dr'. 2. This can lead to some confusion between the public to distinguish between the two, with most automatically thinking of a physician. 3. Outside the scope of the respective PhD field, being a PhD doesn't hold much prestige while being a MD is globally highly respected. This makes it prone to other PhDs misleading the general public for a variety of reasons due to the ambiguity of the 'Dr' title. 4. There are some laws in the UK that punishes people impersonating MDs in a healthcare environment, even if they are PhDs. I agree that PhDs should be allowed to be called 'Dr' as they have the historical roots to be called so. However, it is undeniable that the general public think of MDs when referring to doctors therefore there needs to be some measures in place to avoid this confusion e.g. a new title specifically for MDs.

@aminyacoub6293

2 жыл бұрын

​@@spiraph5711 I do not dispute points 2 and 4, points 1 and 3 are inaccurate. Physicians are never doctors without a PhD even if the public mistakenly calls them doctors due to the move that started in Scotland a few centuries ago. My point is the inaccurate usage that is derived from the public ignorance on the matter should not be spread by a video like this. Historically, it all went down in a viral of inaccuracies once "Dr." was shared for both PhDs and physicians. The big difference between MD, JD, etc and a "Ph.D." is that these first degrees (MD, JD, PsyD) are course-based or course-based and residency degrees, while a Ph.D. is only awarded when you produce a long research that substantially develops the science of the field beyond what the humankind currently knows. Thus, it is a blunder to ever argue that a course-based degree goes under "Doctoral degrees." An alternative title already exists for physicians and I think it can be more accurate for MDs: it is "physician" or your specialization: "oncologist." If I were a physician or a surgeon without a PhD, I would hate someone to call me Dr. - since I would feel unworthy of this title. I would rather use surgeon as my title followed by MD after my name, which I would be proud of. Although I would understand the exhausting process of correcting everyone in the public who visits my clinic, I would do my best though. Wrong or inaccurate notions spread exponentially because most people are careless. If an opposite group - the one you would call "pedants" - does not exist, then we would probably lose most truths in this world in the nearest future.

@AHK206

2 жыл бұрын

@@aminyacoub6293 100% agree with you on this. You speak nothing but facts sir 👏🏽

When were UK dentists allowed to be called Drs? I thought that was an American thing.

@OllieBurtonMed

8 ай бұрын

I don't know the particular reason or time, but applies to doctors, dentists and vets in the UK

@choboutube

8 ай бұрын

@@OllieBurtonMed when I was a junior back in the 90s, dentists were generally not called doctors. Unless they were max fax and had done a graduate entry type of medical degree.

Got a Viva for M.Sc soon ohnonono

In the USA, it is not unusual for certain Protestant ministers to refer to themselves as "Doctor" when they only have a high school diploma or a GED. Some don't even have either of these. They even write books and put "doctor" on their titles.They do this in order to impress people and gain followers. I take issue with such behavior because it establishes a relationship based on a falsehood. This makes us wonder what else they will lie about.

Dr Berg be like

Can a surgen just keep the Dr title

@OllieBurtonMed

Жыл бұрын

Yes absolutely. It's the medical degree that grants the Dr title as a courtesy title in the UK. Surgeons can opt to use either Dr or Mr/Miss/Ms etc

Medical doctors is just a title. You should refer to yourself as a physician because that’s your job. Vets don’t call themselves doctors because it’s a title not a profession. I think it would clarify a lot. Someone with a masters degree also doesn’t refer themselves as a master. The idea of a honorary title gets lost with a lot of physicians’ egos 🙃

@TickleMeElmo55

3 жыл бұрын

Most sound comment on this video. Historically the word doctor was actually borrowed, yes borrowed, by physicians from what was then academic professors holding doctorates in divinity. They asked the professors to use it in order for them to gain more prestige and respect from the public. In the US, on name badges in hospitals, an employee's position is written in big bold letters - so NURSE or AIDE or SOCIAL WORKER, and, when it comes to MDs/DOs, usually it says PHYSICIAN.

@Dylski.

2 жыл бұрын

The title DR here is confusing. Junior doctors have the DR title, but if they chose to become a surgeon they lose it and become mr/mrs ect again.

@spac18

2 жыл бұрын

Looks like someone got rejected from medical school

@AHK206

2 жыл бұрын

@@TickleMeElmo55 FACTS!

What about the professor title

@OllieBurtonMed

Жыл бұрын

Professors are academics and usually have to be invited by a university to the position. Very very few people ever become professors and its very prestigious.

Algorithm

Nice and lucid but PLEASE drop the annoying generic background music...

Just cannot understand why a dentist has a title of a doctor? They are not doctors???? A person pulling out or cleaning teeth should not be called doctors their medical knowledge is limited to teeth.

@susannahwhite7561

2 жыл бұрын

What about an oral surgeon?

@Anedoje

11 ай бұрын

Same reason physicians that carried out no research and are not at a level to teach anything to apprentice can call themselves doctors