who deserved the mvp shai or jokic?

@christianlloydamar8958

16 күн бұрын

If you based on stats its LUKa

@wyotriumphrider

16 күн бұрын

Jokic stats: 10th in ppg (5th in total) 4th in RPG (3rd in total) 3rd APG (2nd in total) 2nd in field goals made 8th in steals 6th in deflections 58.3 field goal % 65% true shooting 9th in minutes played 1st in PER 1st in win shares 1st box plus/minus 1st in VORP 1st in PIE 2nd in triple doubles 2nd in double doubles On floor +11.6 Off floor -8.4 On/off = +20 No other player comes close, unless all one cares about is PPG.

@Fatcrack-hl1sd

16 күн бұрын

Kyle kuzma

@user-jn7jn1fe8v

16 күн бұрын

Jokic

@chuckm4540

16 күн бұрын

Gru and only Gru.

He is not hated because of dominance, its because he is white.

@victoralcazar1702

16 күн бұрын

because he is from Serbia,☹️

@jember2001

16 күн бұрын

And European

@deanfirnatine7814

16 күн бұрын

Both

@billwoods7578

16 күн бұрын

It’s because he’s white. None of them hate on Giannis or Embiid.

@srbaleks-3371

16 күн бұрын

White and Serbian 🇷🇸

Shaq on the MVP about Jokic went from "Jokic is bringing the big man back to the NBA" to "Give the MVP to a guard" dudes a whole ass clown.

@Ghettokokki

16 күн бұрын

Nah hes just super competitive and so petty if any big man breaks his records like Jokic did with third MVP..😂 Remember how much bs Dwight got when he became the best center of the league and broke Shaqs rebound record🤣 He has earned his rights to hate and his wrong opinions. He can’t get rid of that super competitive mindset thats what made him too.

@milevolidiscord4334

16 күн бұрын

I have no respect for Shaq anymore, he should talk like a man and not like a child.

@titusrome2863

16 күн бұрын

Shaq is a sore loser not competitive. If he was competitive he would have had a longer career and possibly won more ringe. Stop making excuses for a big baby

@vlada

16 күн бұрын

​@@titusrome2863bullies are almost always sore losers. His whining and crying over losing to Steve Nash was embarrassing. It was such a feminine energy: bring jealous that others think someone else is better. You're right, competitive is one thing. Petty/jealous/sore loser is another. Imagine if Hakeem or Moses had told him on national TV what he said. There would have been a nervous breakdown. Being an asshole wasn't necessary but he he decided to go full redacted.

@krp6680

16 күн бұрын

Shaq has been pathetic loser ever since that JaVale McGee beef

I would take Jokic over Shaq to start a team. Not even a question.

@apocalypticskepticus3299

16 күн бұрын

Me too, Shaq would be useless in this area of big men, because he is incompetent outside of the free throw lane. He was strong for sure, but brute strength would not help him against a high IQ like that of Jokic, who can pass, outrun him and score from any position.

@omeeawakened2371

16 күн бұрын

Joker would destroy shaq

@Eric-nh2yb

16 күн бұрын

100%

@DenverGhost

16 күн бұрын

No doubt about it.

@stuffstoconsider3516

16 күн бұрын

If it is to build a franchise from scratch!??? Yeah!!!

Dear Shaq the MVP wasn't about you.

@goxyeagle8446

15 күн бұрын

He's jealous and biased.

No need for all that advanced stats, he had 40 pts 13 assists and 0 turnovers against the defensive mvp

@deanfirnatine7814

16 күн бұрын

#1 D man foolish against him

Notice that Shaq was AOL on TNT for Jokic's phenomenal game 5. He's embarrassed and can't face the public for his petty comment.

@Jorlaxe

16 күн бұрын

I noticed that too. I was waiting for it and he wasn't there. And I thought the exact same thing.

@grayvicle

16 күн бұрын

Neither was Chuck who called it a sweep in favor of the Wolves 😂

@aaronmckinney2583

16 күн бұрын

They were at some big TNT event. TNT is likely going lose nba broadcasting next year, so TNT is trying to flash their big guys to any investors and to league in order to try and keep broadcasting rights

@joehenry709

16 күн бұрын

​@@aaronmckinney2583who cares if they lose it. All the talking heads suck.

@aaronmckinney2583

16 күн бұрын

@joehenry709 Oh, I'm with you. I couldn't care less. They are almost guaranteed to lose it from what I've heard. Just explaining why they weren't there yesterday

Imagine if Jokic is black. He will be worshipped by the NBA and the NBA media. They will say he is the next Wilt.

@goxyeagle8446

15 күн бұрын

In USA it's a lot about race

Shaqs criteria is the MVP has to be black.

Jokic is more dominant than Shaq who is offensively limited (Can't shoot ft, can't shoot jump shots, can't shoot threes)

@stevenvox6549

16 күн бұрын

And can't shoot free throws.

@deanfirnatine7814

16 күн бұрын

No assists

@johnjames502

16 күн бұрын

Lol, this is definitely a statement from someone that didn't watch Shaq play.

@simplefarmer7

16 күн бұрын

If the ball can't get to Shaq how will he score? Jokic can inbound, cross the ball and set a play..

@goxyeagle8446

15 күн бұрын

Shaq used his physical dominance. If he's smaller probably wouldn't be in basketball

Joker deserved it. Luka a close second. By Shaq's criteria of "stat-stuffing", Luka should be MVP. Shaqtin' a fool.

@chriskuhn6130

16 күн бұрын

Jokic did deserve it. Four times, but whatever about last year. I always liked Luka, but Jokic just makes the whole team better, on and off the court. He's the Most Valuable Player... It's a beautiful game. Anyone ever read The Wise Man's Fear?

@republikadugave420

16 күн бұрын

I would still give it to Luka cause Dallas is trash without him... 4-8 record without while denver has 2-1 ok small sample size... But first one says all

@amiralsrbani24

15 күн бұрын

Shaq is a fools fool !

@chriskuhn6130

15 күн бұрын

@republikadugave420 He's got a bona-fide all-nba star next to him, I just can't see it. Without Jokic the nuggets would not be close to what they are now. Most VALUABLE

Shaq thinks he should be MVP every year.Even in retirement 😂

@csurampower

16 күн бұрын

Shaq and Kendrick Porkins battle every year for MVP of the all-you-can-eat buffet.

@NF12222

15 күн бұрын

How many times a day do you think Shaq thinks about Steve Nash? lmao

Shaq looked like a damn fool there, jealous, classless, a chip on his shoulder over his own past disappointments. Joker’s reaction was legendary!!!

"I'm a freak of nature" -Jokic, 2024 😭😂😂

At this point who even cares what Shaq has to say?

You literally showed the perfect stat. Jokic made his teammates better and that is the definition of most valuable. That stat ends all debate, not that there ever really was. New sub.

Shaq knows Joker could surpass him while staying on one team

Would have been his fourth straight MVP award.

stat stuffer: good stat padder: bad it's complicated 🙂

@meikl23

15 күн бұрын

yeah, that was the most confusing part. I think Shaq wanted to put it the other way round (Jokic = Stat stuffer, in a negative way), but then doubled down on his mistake to make it look like it was on purpose. that whole rant was totally incoherent

The way shaq Talks he sounds like Kanye West telling Taylor Swift she didn't deserve the award she won.

"you have to start over again next year" shows his laziness. If you great you don't need to start over again. Just go out and play your heart out every game

"no disrespect to shaq" but all he did was push people out of the way and dunk. teams intentionally fouled him to gain a free possession.

Shaq keeps saying "no disrespect" and then keeps on disrespecting

Joker would be my first pick if starting a team.

Jokic is from the Balkans-he should be used to dealing with haters.

So many are just jealous of Jokic

Shaq pissed Joker going to go down as a better big man

@johnjames502

16 күн бұрын

Lol, Shaq averaged more points, more rebounds, more blocks, more wins, more rings. Good luck with that pathetic take.

@bryniebear3547

15 күн бұрын

@@johnjames502 and joker got more MVPs, more assists, more steals, higher scoring efficiency, same amount of rebounds, and he didn’t have Kobe to take away the double team. Joker also knows how to make a FT and 3P so he’s not a complete liability at the end of games. Joker is only 29 boy. We will see how many rings he’s got when the book is written

@johnjames502

15 күн бұрын

@@bryniebear3547 No, he doesn't have more rebounds or higher efficiency. Hold this L.

@johnjames502

15 күн бұрын

@@bryniebear3547 lol, jokers only 29? At 29 Shaq was finishing his 3 peat. Take another L.

@johnjames502

15 күн бұрын

@@bryniebear3547 And furthermore, jokic might literally be the worst defender in the history of sports. A complete liability.

Shaq's stats argument is so faint that he himself wouldn't believe it.

Shaq knows joker is a superior basketball player than him.

Shaq and Charles, where was y'all at? Y'all missed intentionally one of the Great Playoff Performances of Nikola Jokic 40 13 7 and more important 0 turn overs. One question; Does Crow taste better Hot or Cold? 😂😢

Shaq with a crap take. Deserved the L.

should have been joker's FOURTH

😂🤣😂🤣 stat stuffer gimme a break. Think it’s personal for Shaq with all due respect to my guy. Joker is beyond mvp. Should have got it last year also. We need to remember what MVP means

"I'm a freak of nature" "why not show my athleticism?" Obviously Jokic is joking. But there is a second level joke here in that he actually is a freak of nature, just not when it comes to jumping.

Shannon was right about Shaq.

Speaking of #2, Shaqs opinion on this is a big pile of #2.

When Kobe was asked what kind of player Shaq would have been if Shaq had Kobe's effort. It was a simple answer, "The GOAT.". Shaq was lazy. Jokic is not.

Game (episode) 1: Phantom menace Game (episode) 2: Attack of The Clones (Ant-man=MJ) Game (episode) 3: Revenge of the 🃏 Game (episode) 4: A New Hope Game (episode) 5: The Empire Strikes Back

Joker wasn’t a good enough stat stuffer for the MVP. Meanwhile last playoffs he was accused of stat stuffing while annihilating everyone on his way to his first title. These clowns(including nba ‘fans’) continue to move the goalposts on this man every single minute, quarter, game, week, month, year…..it’s pathetic.

Some one needs to tell shaq OKC n Nuggets had the same record

Don't sleep on his tomahawk dunk

Fk Shaq and and the haters. Theres no rational for them to be hating on Joker, he's just the most valuable player on any team. If he was on a better team, they would go undefeated, thats how good he is. You can tell that he improves his team mates, all of whom would be journeymen on big teams.

Shaq could not make a free throw. Just be quiet.

Now they hate the "plumber rules"? Bring back defense, especially in the paint. Shaq looks like a "hater" mare than any fan that doesn't like LeBalco.

Shaq always been so petty to all big men outside of Yao, Hakeem and Giannis. As long as Giannis don’t break any of his records like Jokic did with that third MVP. Dwight Howard got so much bs when he became the best center of the league and broke Shaqs rebound record😂 Thats just who he is and always will be super competitive guy who sees himself as a best big man ever. Shaq has earned his rights to his wrong opinions we understand and forgive you big fella😂

There was a felony committed last night: it's illegal to kill wolves in the state of Colorado.

@MimieThalie

15 күн бұрын

😂😂😂

That boy shaqtin a fool

Shai Alexander is overrated, should not have been in the conversarion in the beginning

OKC and Denver literally have the same regular season record. OKC just won the tie. So Shaq's whole point about the MVP needs to go to a guy on a team with "the best record" is hilariously irrelevant. So many haters on Jokic.

official mvp voting >> joker 79, sga 15, doncic 4 - not close at all

Shaq can't even hide that he wanted the "brother" to win it instead. Truly pathetic. It's the trophy generation where everybody gets one not the one who deserved it the most. Plus, diversity equity and inclusion needs to be here. Sad

Shaq just lost any credibility! SGA is a very talented young player. Nikola is a natural leader and everyone around him gets better

And another thing Shaq was born with his dominance he didn’t develop it . heck the Joker isn’t even athletic. He had to learn his craft and develop it. Yeah, he’s big but super super skilled. Shaq is just a freak of nature as a brute.

never go kendrick.

@vlada

16 күн бұрын

Perk, Arenas, Keyshawn. If you put all that brainpower together you could probably toast bread. Lightly.

And the hate comes from the usual suspects hhaahahahah

It's Race ..we all know it ...but its the acceptable kinda racism .

Shaq is a joke. Couldn't make free throws of the net was 3 ft away

Just saw Joker's new rap singing "Hey Shaq tell me how stats taste!" 🎵 🎶 🎤

Shaq is a "33rd Degree FreeMason," that explains it all, about him. Look it up, it's true. The guy is not a good man, but, the opposite.

@JohnWickjr

15 күн бұрын

He is NOT a 33rd degree FreeMason. He's a clown. They would never trust him with their plans. He's simply a FM.

When American white guys gonna represent. Where's the next Larry Bird?

@zachgates7491

16 күн бұрын

Cooper Flagg?

@CanditoTrainingHQ

16 күн бұрын

Chet in 5 years will be up there.

Shaq is hipocrite

Shaq was brute power with unusual speed to a guy so big. BUT... Jokic is a complete athlete... AND had formidable fundamentals (as Stockton or Kobe)... AND pragmatism... AND field vision... AND generosity to pass the ball to the player well placed. So...

@johnjames502

16 күн бұрын

So.... Shaq has 4 rings and jokic has......

@danielpaz

16 күн бұрын

@@johnjames502 Oh... the tale of "how many rings X have"... Without Kobe, how many rings Shaq have?

@johnjames502

16 күн бұрын

@@danielpaz 1. How many rings does Jokic have all together?

@danielpaz

15 күн бұрын

@@johnjames502 The same. So? But this game of "how many rings" is to a teenage guy... or a teenage mentality.

@johnjames502

15 күн бұрын

@@danielpaz So if you don't want to do rings, what do you want to do? Points? Wins? Winning percentage? Playoff wins? Playoff winning percentage? Actually it doesn't matter because Shaq wins all those too. But I'm guessing you want to go off feelings, correct? And I'm also guessing that you aren't even old enough to have watched shaq play or you wouldn't be embarrassing yourself here.

How could you possibly hate on a guy like Joker? Has to be a problem with you. The man literally makes the right play every time down the damn court. The humility he exhibits effects all his team mates. He is truly one of one. WERE NOT WORTHY!

How they’ve all flip flopped in a week it’s hilarious

Shaquille don't want to accept jokic will surface his career😂😂

I thought shaq was a honest man. Telling the world that joker is NOT the mvp when it is obvious is foul. Shame bro.

I love Shaq through most of his career, but I totally lost respect for him as well because it shows that he has no confidence. Man that is so sorry when you’re as old as he is, he still an immature kid inside. He can’t give recognition to the MVP. I’m glad TNT done Shaq jumped the shark.

Robbed 3x? Doesn't even deserve one....

Everybody likes jokic! Except the Diesel 😂😂

Jokic starting to dominate like Brady did and that enrages certain people.

So what is Shai needs to start over the next year? If hecs that great of a player he should be able to do it. Jokic, Embiid and Luka do it year after year and they're always in the MVP conversation. If anything Shai needs more seasons to prove himself before he gets the award. It sounds more like a Most-Improved Player award.

Shaq's opinion is as important as his free throws.

Imagine your the present or at the Oscars, after announcing the Best actor and the Actor tries to get his Oscar, you tell to his face that your not the winner!!!??? Very Respectful on the part of Shaq

The $#%& !!! Who hate Jokic just shows their true colours😆😆

Dang man, Shaq really disappointed me. The big Aristotle is now the big whiner. Get over yourself, big man you had your day.

@markirsik2009

10 күн бұрын

Shaq needs to get a real job

@markirsik2009

10 күн бұрын

Or just be quiet

For a basketball mind like draymond, it’s a shame he’s so shallow talking about KAT guarding Jokic vs Rudy, doesn’t mention WHY. It’s because Rudy is roaming away from the ball, and makes even Jok second guess every drive and pass in Rudy’s area. KAT knows he can play him more physical because even if he gets a blow by Rudy is there as a paint presence. This is the exact thing the Lakers did last year, which was more successful than AD matched up on Jok. The discourse around Jokic and Rudy has been asinine for years. I’m usually not one to pay much attention to these sports show pundits, but we are witnessing one of the absolute all time great players, and they just can’t fully accept that he is THAT good. They can’t fathom that in an entirely different era than MJ, younger Bron, Shaq, Kobe, etc that someone can win 3/4/5 mvps. He is arguably the best scorer and passer in the league today, something i would say less than 5 player have ever had claim to at the same time in NBA history. That is fuckin undeniable. Being the first player in history to lead the playoffs in total point rebounds assists on route to a chip is undeniable. These people are delusional, and i’m so glad all of them are eating crow after completely overreacting to 2 games. Like there haven’t been numerous teams that have come back from 0-2 (Chuck should know)

Shaq and chuck are clowns for comedy to keep viewers awake

Stat stuffer?! What a disgraceful remark! Now, when it's obvious that their show on TNT will be canceled, Shaq is finally showing his true color. (no pun intended)

hack a shaq and win the game every time! That's all! 1 MVP for a guy that freaking big, Pathetic

Shaq is so jealous, only 1 time regular season mvp. Jokic is the beast and best 3rd time RS mvp.😅😅😅😅😅😅

Agree with your assessment of Shaq. He's a classless bum. He likes to throw his "4 rings" in people's face all the time....he got 3 of his rings because of Kobe and one because of D-wade. Wade was Finals MVP when Shaq got his ring in Miami. Kobe showed the world how valuable Shaq was when he won two more championships with Pau Gasol after Shaq was gone...was Gassol "the most dominant big man in the game"...no, neither was Shaquielle O'Neil. He brags himself up as the most Dominant Center Ever but never led the league in rebounds or blocked shots - both stat stuffers? He does lots of bragging but he's got some big time holes in his game, couldn't make a simple free throw to save his life. Does anyone really think Shaq has 4 rings without Kobe and D-wade on those teams? He probably doesn't get one ring without them. Jokic is literally carrying his teams to a championship...with some solid players. Shaq had Kobe & D-Wade...two top 20 all time NBA superstars, Kobe is probably only second to MJ. The most Dominant Center Ever couldn't carry Orlando, couldn't carry Cleveland, couldn't carry Boston...with the support on those teams....he had to have Kobe, one of the best players in the history of the NBA to get 3 of his rings. Dude needs to shut the hell up and stop criticizing players unless he wants people to really start analyzing his career. He was fat and lazy after he got his first ring in LA. His rap music also sucked. He was horrible in Aladin.

Luka is the only one who's on the same level of stat stuffing as Joker. Not SGA. Such disrespect they voted Luka 3rd and never mentioned him after voting... Luka and Mavs going to knock Thunder and SGA and meet Joker in Conference finals

And he seems to be resurrecting the kareem hook

It's because he is European, not specifically Serbian. Boban Marjanovic is Serbian and he is one of the favorite NBA players. It is hard for media types in the US to reconcile that there are players from some small country in Europe that are dominating in their league in a sport that is native to the US. And achieving that in his own way not like "It is suppose to be done" And no fairy tail background story, no over emoting. But who cares what those media "experts" think, they spew out so many nonsense, that they have lost all credibility long time ago. And Jokic, Doncic or even Rudy Gobert, they are all great players regardless of what some click chasing self proclaimed expert says. Or frustrated jealous ex great like Shaq.

Gobert is a beast give jok his props.

Shaq looked like he might shed a bitter tear.

He made Perk switch up so fucking hard and perk just looked lost

It's not really about Jokic being 'that good' to make them hate on others, it's because it's far harder for them to dismiss him. Since they don't want him to be praised then someone else must be at fault for him to have shined. I speak less about Shaq as for him it's a different issue, that being his own legacy. However, when it comes to 50% of ESPN and a bunch of haters like Gil, then the reasons get far more unsavory.

O'Neil: "I love you big man, until you are not better than me"

the joker - a freak of nature

Djoker has already surpassed Shaq’s entire career!

shaq became clown on social media..you have no shoot shaq your only strong.. you cant do what the joker did. you have a champ ring because of kobe.. your jealouse cause you cant achive what the joker did..your a terrible freethrow shooter. joker is a better player than you shaq.

I used to like Shaq until I realized he's just a bitter hater to basically everyone.

Great video! These muppets should stay quiet now.

Jokic: - 10th in PPG - 13th in Steals - 1st in deflections - 3rd in APG - 4th in RPG - 1st in PER - 1st in Winshares - 1st in Winshares per 48 min - 1st in player impact estimate - 1st in box plus minus - 1st in on/off BPM - 1st in Value Over Replacement - 3rd in offensive rating - 5th in net rating - 2nd in amount of triple-doubles - 2nd in amount of double-doubles - 2nd in FG% within players that average over 25ppg (almost 60% from 10-14 feet away from basket!) - Epic game winner vs. Golden State - Tied for best record in the West - No all-stars in his team - No Jamal Murray for 23 games - 1st in amount of regular season games played among players who averaged over 25ppg - Almost average a triple-double Shai: - 1st in PPG - 2nd in Steals - 10th in APG - 20th in RPG - 6th in PER - 2nd in Win Shares (behind Jokic) - 2nd in Win Shares per 48 (behind..you guessed it...Jokic) - 4th in Value Over Replacement - 4th in Box Plus Minus - 8th in Player Impact Estimate - 23rd in Offensive Rating - 35th in Net Rating - 73rd In Double-Doubles - 0 triple-doubles - 2 triple-doubles in his whole career! As you can see Shai only beats Jokic in Steals and PPG. Jokic decimates him in mostly every other stat category under the sun. There's levels to this and Shai wasn't even close. Jokic was so far ahead in the MVP convo that they had to try and make it interesting by including Shai and making it look like he has a chance.

Can someone please find Shaq and make sure he's okay??? Homie disappeared since MVP race.....

hehe....10+ matches in season he was near 3ple 2ble and he doesn't care what is matter to him just that Nuggets win ...!! cheers..

Best player in the world and is fine.

Dude He the mvp ✌🏾

@Shackie, no disrespect to Embiid but he shouldn't be MVP last year. Joker all day every day. President of the Big Man club belongs to Joker. Your stat just don't cut it bruh