Learning about history from Torah is like learning about geopolitics from CNN.

@frankiewally1891

21 күн бұрын

ha,ha,like your irony,good for you!

@caseyspaos448

21 күн бұрын

Or even worse, Fox News

תודה רבה על חיזוק הקשר בין המסופר בתנך ובתעודה המצרית לבין עתיקותו של עם ישראל ועל ההתיישבות בארץ כרגיל כיף לשמוע

Finally my questions are answered. Thanks a million.

Professor Amihai Mazar in this video concluded that Israel first appears, archaeologically, in Canaan circa Iron Age I (1200 BC to 1100 BC). Their settlements exist in modern Jordan and in eastern Canaan, just west of the Jordan River. Yet the Bible suggests, with its internal chronology, that the Exodus from Egypt was circa 1446 BC and Conquest of Canaan was circa 1406 BC (see 1 Kings 6:1 for this date). The Book of Joshua informs us that Jericho's walls collapse and Joshua orders the city to bet set on fire. By the internal chronology of 1 Kings 6:1 this would be circa 1406 BC. In the 1950s Dame Kathleen Kenyon of England excavated Jericho and determined that its last defensive wall collapsed due to an earthquake and the city was thereupon set on fire by its besiegers. She dated this event to the Hyksos Expulsion from Egypt circa 1540 BC. She assumed that the Egyptians, in pursuit of the Hyksos, set Jericho on fire when the Egyptians conquered Canaan and made it part of the Egyptian empire for the next 400 years (1540 BC to 1140 BC). Of interest here, is that the Jewish Historian, Flavius Josephus (circa 70 AD) was of the opinion that the Hyksos Expulsion was the Egyptian version of the Israelite Exodus in his History of the Jews. Dame Kenyon's findings at Jericho would seem to confirm Josephus' conclusions. However, excavations in ancient Moab, the kingdom of Sihon the Amorite (modern Jordan) revealed that some sites mentioned as being conquered by Moses and Joshua were no earlier than Iron Age I (1200 BC to 1100 BC). Sites like Heshbon and Elealeah. Joshua set fire to another city, besides Jericho, the city of Hazor. Excavations at Hazor revealed the city had evidence of a very severe burning everywhere with its idols smashed to pieces. This event is commonly dated to circa the mid 13th century century by its Israeli excavators (Yigael Yadin and Amon Ben Tor). However, not many are aware that prior to their excavations, the Israeli archaeologist Moshe Dothan had done an emergency excavation at Hazor and found there two Philistine pottery sherds. This suggested that Hazor had fallen in a Philistine World of the 12th century BC NOT the 13th century BC. Pharaoh Ramseses III, circa 1175 BC, mentioned that the Sea Peoples (who incuded a group he called the PELEST) had recently conquered Coastal Canaan and sought to conquer Egypt next. he defeated them and allowed their settlement in Canaanite cities under Egyptian control. Remarkably, the Bible portrays Joshua's burning of Hazor as being done in a Philistine World, and the two Philistine sherds found at Hazor by Moshe Dothan would seem to back up this understanding. My Conclusions: Apparently the burning of Jericho's fallen walls circa 1540 BC were conflated with Hazor's burning after 1175 BC by the Bible's author. WHY? Judges 3:6-7 has the answer. After conquering parts of Canaan and Moab, Israel intermarries with the conquered peoples and serves their gods. That is to say during Iron Age I, Israel, via intermarriages with the Canaanite descendants of the Expelled Hyksos of 1540 BC, became in Iron Age II (1100 BC to 586 BC) the blood-descendants of the Hyksos who were expelled from Egypt circa 1540 BC. The author of the Book of Exodus wanted to preserve the traditions of his people (ancestors) and that included the Hyksos Expulsion being recast as the Exodus from Egypt by Moses and Joshua. When was this (the Exodus account) written? Probably in the Babylonian Exile circa 560 BC. This author had no idea how old any ancient site was that he included in his Exodus story, it would not be until Sir Finders Petrie of England would develop Pottery Chronologies that anyone would come to understand when ancient sites came into being and were abandoned. Accordingly, any ancient site from Stone Age Times to 560 BC could be a site included in the fictional Exodus account found in the Bible. And this is what archaeology has revealed, that sites from Stone Age Times to circa 560 BC appear in the Exodus narrative. See my website www.bibleorigins.net for more info. Mazar notes that the Israel Stela of Pharaoh Merneptah, circa 1203 BC, mentions his conquering Israel in Canaan, suggesting Israel is in Canaan BEFORE the Philistine arrival in Canaan circa 1175 BC. If this be so, then the Exodus is fiction and did not happen as portrayed in the Bible (Jericho's fallen burned walls of 1540 BC and Hazor's burning some time after 1175 BC), as almost 300 years separate these two events recorded in the Bible. There was no Exodus to the southern Sinai, no 10 Commandments, no Golden Calf worship, as there were no Philistines for Israel to fear upon her Exodus from Egypt, until after 1175 BC. That is to say a real Exodus would be via the Way to the Land of the Philistines, which the Bible says was avoided out of fear of that warlike nation.

@terrywilliams3

4 жыл бұрын

Explain the chariot wheels in the red sea.

@hurdygurdyguy1

Жыл бұрын

@@terrywilliams3 🤣 if you're referencing Ron Wyatt's (extremely flawed and unsubstantiated) claims that Egyptian chariot wheels from the Biblical Exodus were found that's easy, no explanation necessary because it's all bogus!! 😆

@LIVERPOOLandFARBEYONDNEWS

11 ай бұрын

I appreciate your brief comment thar you have put In a nutshell but due to my intellectual gift I have, is there any chance you can possibly go into a bit more detail?

Interesting lecture.

The Jews come from the lower east side. And Brooklyn too.

@benb6527

27 күн бұрын

All Jews came from the US in the 20th century? LOL

This is so important for me. Kudos Prof Mazar!

We had the volcan around 1500bc And the sea people 1200bc

@benb6527

27 күн бұрын

Who are the "we" you are talking about? Sea people were Phoenician (GREEK) migrants from the west. Therefore, it is impossible to call them indigenous.

You cannot take like history a religious book

People move Some stay

@benb6527

27 күн бұрын

Seems simple enough

A presentation without a map to show the various cities mentioned is a problem.

Biblical archaeology is great for dating things, but it lacks historical expertise of the Bible. Cases in point: 1. Israel Finkelstein and other archaeologists date David and Solomon based on the wrong eclipse. A single eclipse during the Assyrian Period is used to date David, Solomon, the Exodus, etc. They use an eclipse dated to June 15, 763 BCE. This is an eclipse that occurs in month two, however, not month three. The correct eclipse occurs in 709 BCE. When the wrong eclipse is used, Solomon is dated to 970-930 BCE and Shishak 5 years later in 925 BCE. In reality, Rehoboam aligned his rulership with that of Jeroboam who began his rule prior to Solomon's death. So in actuality, year 5 of Rehoboam, the year of Shishak's invasion, occurs in year 39 of solomon,. Radiocarbon-14 dating dates Shishak's invasion to 871 BCE. When the 763 BCE eclipse is used, Shishak is dated to 925 BCE. When you use the correct eclipse in 709 BCE, then Shishak's invasion is dated to 871 BCE, precisely where RC14 dates that event! Note how this checks out, though> When year 39 falls in 871 BCE, Solomon's rule is dated from 910-870 BCE. This fits the late dating chronology for the "Solomonic" Period, which is dated to the early 9th Century! David would be dated to 950-910 BCE. The end of the Philistine pottery period is dated to 950 BCE, precisely where David should be dated. Also year 4th of Solomon would fall in 906 BCE, which dates the Exodus to 1386 BCE. That means Jericho fell in 1346 BCE, 40 years later. Dame Kathleen Kenyon in her book about "Digging Up Jericho" specifically states that the Israelites destroyed Jericho between 1350-1325 BCE. So that fits perfectly. So you have several indicators that David and Solomon and Shishak have been misdated. Now we have an astronomical confirmation of Shishak in agreement with RC14 to 871 BCE. The problem is, you have to lower the Assyrian period by 54 years and Israel Finkelstein doesn't know how to do that. That is a chronologist's realm of expertise. Because there is so much astronomy associated with the Neo-Babylonian Period, it is considered to be very confirmed. But that, in fact, is not true. A key text for dating Nebuchadnezzar II is an astronomical text called the VAT4956. But this was a text that was created to preserve a reference to the original timeline. Thus in the VAT4956 you have dating both to 568 BCE as well as 511 BCE. The subtext preempts the supertext and thus forces us to date year 37 of Nebuchadnezzar 57 years later than 568 BCE to 511 BCE. So by reducing the Neo-Babylonian period by 57 years, that automatically cancels out the 54-year reduction required to harmonize the 709 BCE eclipse with RC14 from Rehov for Shishak in 871 BCE. What does this means for archaeologists? It means archaeologists are using incorrect dates from 358 BCE (1st of Artaxerxes III) back to the Exodus. Furthermore, some 26 years were removed from the Neo-Babylonian kings by the Persians. We have now corrected the Persian Period which sported 82 fake years. This means most of the assumptions and conclusions by Israel Finkelstein have to be rewritten in light of the correct Biblical timeline. By using the wrong dating, characters like David and Solomon get dated before their times and then dismissed as "myths." Not because there is not evidence for David and Solomon, which there clearly is. But because an archaeologist like Israel Finekelstein is not truly a historian nor a Biblical chronologist. But in passing, at least Israel Finkelstein has dated the end of the Philistine pottery period correctly and RC14 has dated Shishak to 871 BCE! Of course, when we date the Exodus specifically to 1386 BCE, we are looking at Akhenaten who became a monotheist because of the 10 plagues. So in effect, for whatever Biblical archaeology has given us, it's fascinating they have not been able to give us an absolute date for the Exodus!!! As it is, though, Israel Finkelstein needs to update all of his books to align with the true timeline, which is: 1386 BCE Exodus - 1st of Akhenaten 1346 BCE Fall of Jericho 950-910 BCE David 910-870 BCE Solomon 871 BCE Shishak's invasion, year 39 of Solomon 709 BCE ASSYRIAN EPONYM ECLIPSE 511 BCE Year 37 of Nebuchadnezzar II 455 BCE 1st of Cyrus Thank you for posting this interview. Israel Finkelstein is a hero of "low chronology" because those dates are the actual dates for critical Biblical events. The current dates follow a revised timeline of the Greco-Persian Period.

And history There are writings

They have even paintings

The north was dominated by the hitites The kadesh battle

Ramses 2 was haplogroup E1B1A. Lots of African Americans are haplogroup E1B1A.

come on eisraelites!! you're going to do this, you;'re going to the land of milk and nhoney!! come one!

Is in history the answer

Exiled from everywheres

@ivydark9741

7 ай бұрын

Were they?

@benb6527

27 күн бұрын

@@ivydark9741 My great-grandparents definitely were exiles and refugees.

Well the egyptians said who were the israelites

Ancient time of Jacob name changed to Israel.

who made the mistake in naming the site in Israel Giloh in relation to biblical Israel and how many other mistakes are there of biblical names in the country now called Israel?

@Salamwamat

8 жыл бұрын

+Dwayne Lofters - - I guess that you are the mistake here ....

@dlof5892

8 жыл бұрын

+Aviem Farkas you sound hurt. The presenter at 20:45 indicated that there was a mistake in naming the site of a town mentioned in biblical Judah. Not me. You must be calling the presenter a mistake.

@544cachito

6 жыл бұрын

Dwayne Lofters : Hey dwayne, you keep bringing out mistakes in theses speeches while " ISRAEL" keeps on existing and shining hight and bright.......

@TiagoNYC

6 жыл бұрын

The biggest mistake was when Romans decided to change its name from Judaea to Palestine as a form of reprimand against Jewish self determination, albeit with zealots as a major cause for the debacle. This refers to the Philistines who in turn have zero connection to present day Palestinians.

@curtisking5138

5 жыл бұрын

@@544cachito .........birds that fly high must come back down to die.....................

In the north there were indoeuropeans and greeks From ugarit is the alphabet

The bulls are from the caananites Greeks

@ivydark9741

7 ай бұрын

Or from Philistines of Crete.

Why do we assume that the Bible is history or scientific record? People in ancient times had no idea of history or science as we modern man know it. It seems more realistic to hold the view that the bible is an account of a people who found it very important to relate their growing understanding the idea of God and a pressing reason to want to keep that society together (probably because of a bad experience and they were at threat of being extinct). If we begin with the premise that bible must be a historical book then you will conclude it is a lie. But if we understand bible is merely "ahistorical" (loose references to history) and not 'historical' then it can't be concluded it is a lie. Even in theology it is already clear that the bible is a mixture of fiction & truth because it is a collection of cultural stories meant to nourish identity, hope, motivation and moral lessons and belief in their faith. We cannot use our modern mindset to assume ancient man would have same ideas of history & science which are newer developments of humanity. The truth of the bible is not in the historicity especially the Old Testament but truth in human behaviour of the Biblical characters which can be seen in everyone of us repeated in our individual behaviour and in society. And if we are Christians, it is about the growing development of our understanding of God in the story of humanity.

@glutinousmaximus

5 жыл бұрын

Well, you're right that the bible is NOT a history book. The only factual references are the Babylonial Exile (corroborated by Babylonian writings) and an innaccurate listing of Egyptian Pharoahs. The rest is made up stuff. e.g. No Exodus I'm afraid.

@tribequest9

5 жыл бұрын

You need to understand that the people who wrote the bible were also the pool trying to control others. They needed an identity with which those people could connect to and then a religion with which they could be influenced and controlled by. The bible uses the knowledge that the people knew at the time to support its claims otherwise it would hold less sway. We know this because it says, " just as it is today" or " the one we see today". History is modern concept but we use it to understand the ancient world from our current and superior techniques and not from Bronze Age people's concept of telling a story to support a narrative.

@ruathawylderkin2268

3 жыл бұрын

The Bible contains many different styles of writing. Some parts of the Bible are indeed historical accounts first and foremost. Others provide historical information simply for being preserved from ancient times. Even a poem could contain historically relevant information. It's unfortunate that so many argue historical points with such obvious bias (both side do this). Makes it hard to get good information. Sigh.

@marylouleeman

3 жыл бұрын

@@glutinousmaximus The Exodus is shown in among other things pictures of slaves in Egypt even one with Ramses in there.

@TheStellarmanCo.

9 ай бұрын

Absolutely NONE of the Biblical Patriarchs are Real people Moses NEVER existed, without him the Old Testament NEVER happened

Why is what a pharaoh said important at all? One cartouche? Really?

@benb6527

27 күн бұрын

It's a primary historical source. All history is things people said, except for genetics and archeological sources, which Jew-haters deny exist. LOL

Was there an Abraham ? Did the Hebrews appropriate one of the early Hindu myths of Brahma and Sarawati as their foundation couple , Abraham and Sara ? In script without vowels Brahma and Abraham are spelled the same . Caravans brought trade and stories .

@morricjo

2 жыл бұрын

The Rev. Robert Taylor wrote about this subject in the 19th Century. There were Abrams all over the region. The word Israel is Canaanite for Saturn or Chronos. Abraham is also the same deity. To paraphrase Taylor, is you try to find a difference between the story of Chronos and that of Abraham, you will not find it. As you say, Brahma is the same word. Interestingly, the Sarasvati river had a tributary called Hagar. This is the name of one of Sarah's handmaidens in the bible. We are looking at the shadow of a pre-historic, global religion where the secrets of how the universe works is concealed in layers of allegory. An allegorical guide to self improvement. The 12 tribes of Israel, 12 disciples, the 12 labours of Hercules, King Arthur's 12 battles, the 12 constellations the Sun journeys through in its annual journey!

@frankiewally1891

21 күн бұрын

yes, they appropriated lot of cultural and civilizational features of the peoples they came across; real historical mimicry.

So confused. When changed the jews their heritage from father to mother side. You know, the Sons of Israel and not the daughters.

@flintb6559

2 жыл бұрын

We don't really know this, probably around roman times, when most men were killed and there were only really women left? Many are opposed to this law, many are brought up by their jewish fathers and are proper jews regardless what the synagogue says.

@buzzbeeman1984

Жыл бұрын

Interesting question and interesting answer. Thank you very much!

@hershelfowler6257

Жыл бұрын

They changed the lineage line, because of the Herodian dynasty. They wanted to discredit King Herod because he was a Idumean. So they said, to be born of Jewish woman, makes one Jewish, and the true heir to the throne. So he married a Hasomean princess, and had her son executed, to prevent any challengers to his dynasty. There is also a story out of Alexandria, were it was said the Greeks went on a rape riot. Impregnated a bunch of Jewish women, and the question was raised will these children be Jewish, because the fathers were suspected to be Greek. So it is believed that this is the incident, that caused the change.

@kumarg3598

10 ай бұрын

​@@hershelfowler6257im betting its the grape thing.

@kumarg3598

10 ай бұрын

​@@hershelfowler6257haha...the riot comment made me think of the movie "history of the world" and the scene where everyone jumps the queen.

I think the Hapiru were the Hebrews, and were distinct from the Israelites.

100 per acre? Do you know how big an acre is? More like 10 per acre would have been realistic.

@chodeshadar18

5 жыл бұрын

If the acre plot was on a hilltop, that would quadruple the livable area, cause people could live on the 4 sides and the top. Also, people back then did not have as big a psychological need for personal space as we have today. For example, immigrants in the early 1900's often lived packed like sardines in those tenement houses you read about in New York, Chicago, etc.

@tribequest9

5 жыл бұрын

I agree.

@mrblack5554

5 ай бұрын

According to Meyers work, these were Canaanite style homes, with Canaanite pottery and Canaanite figurines of Canaanite gods. They weren’t different from homes on the coast .. they were the same.

After the civil war in Israel, the Southern tribes became the Jews of Judea the Northern tribes continued as Israel and they still are today.as the lost tribes. The Jews are a very small part of the Israeli Nation and do not represent the Nation of Israel and never did.

Yawn.. no proof of any Moses..

@eliazarcone

3 жыл бұрын

He said "if Moses did indeed exist"

@AFRICA4AFRICANS

Жыл бұрын

@@eliazarcone IF if IF IF IF

So why are the Egyptians calling the land Canaan and not Israel , but mentioning them as tribe ? The Bible says the land Israel is all of Canaan . The Stele doesn't mention Israel it says Isrir which was a word for bandits from all over the region . If they were to mention them then they would have done do when they were in Egypt.

@subcitizen2012

Жыл бұрын

Because it wasn't Israel proper yet, as recorded in Judges and Kings until several hundred years later. The earliest parts, genesis and exodus or anachronisms from later times, the oral history wasn't perfect and by the time it was written it was a corrupted version of several stories. If they were only bandits of the countryside, then why did the Egyptians say they destroyed 3 cities?

So the city of Israel preceeded Judaism.

@ruh465

6 ай бұрын

Strange?

Galilea is not judea

No use

The merneptah stele says jezreel, not Israel.

@moncynnaesuuard

2 жыл бұрын

Minority interpretation

@estelasantander9941

Жыл бұрын

I agree with you besides ,the merneptah stele appeared many years before God named Jacob Israel.there is a Israel Finkelstein's book it says anything happened at that time.😢