If you’re downloading a 3rd party program to gain an advantage, you’re cheating, flat out. Especially when there are people who have 4/5/6 hundred dollar gaming wheels and still choose to use wheel mode instead because using controller with wheel abilities is easier than using the gaming wheel itself. Never was one of these people complaining until some content creators started to act like what they were doing WASNT cheesy. it’s cheesy af.

@ozfh

4 ай бұрын

Wheel and wheelmode are the exact same. I play on PC and have tested wheelmode but i still choose to use wheel. And im not just speaking out of my ass because i have a bunch of records with wheel, motorsports playlist and some others. My in game name is CanadianSpeed. Theres also other top players such as Diaz, Qi, Niconuen and Speedbooster who all use a physical wheel.

@qklwiddy

4 ай бұрын

Facts. If you go and look at the video on how to enable third party wheel mode, it’s so sketch 🤣. Like you cannot watch that video and think that’s okay 🤣.

@kingsgold

4 ай бұрын

yes...but no. wheel mode doesnt do anything other than change how the car controls in game. it doesnt help you automatically win Summits or grand races, it doesnt help you avoid rammers in grand races, and it doesnt guarantee plat in summits. YOu still need track knowledge and car control. wheel mode doesnt help with any of that. Wheelmode wont suddenly help you take the best routes, or take all the corners perfectly. IIf you were bad at corners before wheelmode, you will be bad after wheelmode. Wheelmode does none of that. Someone not using wheelmode can beat someone that is using wheelmode because they have more skill in the game. "Advantage" means nothing unless you are only comparing 2 people in vacuum of equal skill and setup.

@oTheGriMReaPeR

4 ай бұрын

​@@kingsgoldhypothetical arguments are what's ruining the debate. Most players don't have access to wheel mode because it's PC access only. Wheel and Wheel mode are still the superior handling choice above everything else, with wheel mode also having access to the clutch macro. Saying wheel is pay 2 win one could also argue PC is also pay2win with wheel mode.

@Luhpasty

4 ай бұрын

For everyone replying to me, I’ve used both wheel mode and gaming wheels. It’s easier on controller 100%. Youre downloading 3rd party program for an advantage and if you don’t think that’s shady than you’re just coping with the unfair advantage you have over controller players. ✌️

Imagine if CoD locked you at the lowest sensitivity and then forced you to buy some $400 third party equipment to turn the sensitivity up if you played on console, or if u were on PC you could just download software to fix it for free. Thats literally whats happening here. Completely ruins the game experience

@billybobjoe2612

4 ай бұрын

honestly very good comparison

@SaneU_c

4 ай бұрын

Hahaha that’s exactly what i was thinking when i commented. It’s not such a grey zone as some ppl may think, having settings in a game that allow u to inherently do better, even if i take more time to practice with, when other ppl don’t have access to it is just not fair. Even if these content creators try to argue against it, the comment sections proves that wheelmode is an issue

@hugehoglilnuts2905

4 ай бұрын

@@SaneU_c he's just deepthroating the game because he's either coping that it has problems, wants to be a Ubisoft insider, or both. This is the only content creator I've seen that has claimed that wheelmode is not the problem

@skrublordnord69

4 ай бұрын

So what you’re saying is the game is downgraded on purpose and because of the lack of attempts at coming up with a solution, people find the solution themselves. Either way it is still cheating, but i guess I’ve never heard of “wheelmode” for other racing games. Only a min into the video but if it’s just using a wheel then I don’t think I have a problem with it. I don’t use one but I understand why someone would. “I want to drive my car with a steering wheel, not a controller”

@skrublordnord69

4 ай бұрын

Alright yeah I don’t have a problem with it. It’s a racing game so people are gonna use a steering wheel to drive. And they’re only using the game’s mechanics and settings to their advantage. That’s how games work tbf. I’d say it’s one of those, “don’t hate the player, hate the game” kinda moments.

Folks justifying 3rd party cheating… Saying 3 seconds isn’t a big deal… Racing games are dead. You new fellas different

@PTracer921

4 ай бұрын

Complain that it's cheating cause you refuse to use your book on an open book test

@Dnotee_

4 ай бұрын

@@PTracer921 You thought that sounded smart?

I agree with mostly everything u say here. I downloaded wheel mode on my controller yesterday for the first time and it’s an absolute joke. It completely changes your experience to the point where you feel like you’re no longer playing the same game - to your point of removing the weight from the cars, exactly. It definitely requires more skill to “perfect” however, I think you’re downplaying this a ton. To put it into perspective, I’ve played with regular settings for 200+ hours, and after just 30-45 min tinkering with settings and getting used to it, I was significantly faster on wheel mode. The advantage is so drastic that even an average player, who as long as they can control themselves from completely spinning out, can capitalize. I’m torn now because I feel like I have to use wheel mode as I enjoy grinding for top summit times, but using it makes the game way less enjoyable. They have to do something to balance it, it can’t be left the way it is.

@Luhpasty

4 ай бұрын

I also love how he insults everyone by saying 99% of y’all aren’t even effected by this because you guys are so trash

@billybobjoe2612

4 ай бұрын

@@Luhpastylol

@reticks7947

4 ай бұрын

ok but where did you install it tho

@dokutah7374

4 ай бұрын

A good balance would be only using it for summit, that way you can still have fun in general content

@dokutah7374

4 ай бұрын

@@Luhpastyi mean kinda true tho, like 20/28 players in a Grand Race are garbage at racing I myself am mid tbh (usually get around 5-10th place in my first races of the day, after like an hour of playing i can finish 1st but not exactly consistently enough to feel i’m “good” at the game, it’s like every 1/10 races if i don’t get thanos snapped on the first turn) idk what is considered an average player to him but i’d say i’m pretty close to what i think it is

Wheelmode itself is not the issue at all. The crew 1 had wheelmode as an official input setting that everyone could use if they want. The real problem lies at ivory towers move to scrap this as a feature for everyone. Simply putting it back in so everyone can use it IF they want, is the Only move that seems fair to me

@robert-qm4ce

4 ай бұрын

I think this comment explains this all

@lunytrickz

4 ай бұрын

its not the wheelmode, its just IVT game^pad calibration ! during the second update beta test for TC2 they actualy had a handling test that was way more preciese and gave actual handling feedback trough the gamepad ! but they never implemented it in the update release

@Crew2.Hellcats

4 ай бұрын

Ivory tower just announced they are doing this now HOORAY 😀👍5

@nitrokaiju

4 ай бұрын

@@Crew2.Hellcats Source?

@cliffmaster5

4 ай бұрын

@@Crew2.Hellcats oh shit havent seen the statement but hell yeah dude !

I think the main reason people are pissed about wheelmode is due to cross play, in pc you have the option but console players dont have that option. Also the summits are amalgamated as well hence less chance of getting platinum reward.

@MilitiaGamingCommunity

4 ай бұрын

That might be a major reason why people are upset but what do you do about the players on console who are using a physical wheel? Regular controller players are still at a huge disadvantage.

@satirthachatterjee351

4 ай бұрын

​@@MilitiaGamingCommunityIt all boils down to how many people are taking advantage of that, not every pc player is using wheel mode nor every console player has a wheel but the probability is higher on pc. One of points I agree with you in a previous video is that if you have the option to use a faster method which is a feature in the game itself ( like shortcuts and resets) then use it instead of complaining and bashing on other players and sticking to a false sense of Justice. At the end it's something upto the devs itself. I understand some people are also tired of seeing the same 5 or 6 players in the top 10 list which can also be a result of low player count and skill gap. But instead of fighting each other just help each other out. And that's what content creators like you are for. Also I watch your every upload, I don't have motorfest but as a crew 2 player I'm keeping up with the latest stuff and would be ready when I hop in someday. May we cross paths there 🍻

@PerpetualGains

4 ай бұрын

@@MilitiaGamingCommunity Wheels are also a huge learning curve, meanwhile learning wheel mode on a controller (especially if you’ve been using a controller 10+ years) is a lot easier to learn comparatively. No one is going to buy a gaming wheel for the first time and be setting world records and top 10’s in the summit within that same week. but you saw multiple people do that with wheelmode 🤥🤥🤥

@Tesseract69

4 ай бұрын

@@PerpetualGains This is definitely an important consideration and I think it's one of the main reasons why some competitive wheel players are convinced wheel mode 'must be better than wheel' is because you have controller players who have been using a controller their whole life vs the 'occasional wheel user'. I mean even a highly competitive wheel player very likely still has spent more time playing games on a controller or keyboard and mouse, than a wheel setup. So you're getting people can really push the maximum potential out of a controller device + the benifts and advantages of wheel input, unlocking the full potential of the steering mechanics that's built into the game, and promptly setting WRs. Arguably, as far as hardware device design goes, I believe the ceiling of potential is higher on a wheel setup, it's just a harder ceiling to hit and one that many people who are using wheel, aren't hitting very high just purely because wheel isn't the most popular input choice for as many games. I've noticed a correlation of skill transition from highly competitive fps or fighting game (i.e. Mortal Kombat) players who use a controller, to then trying out a racing game, and even though they don't have a great lot of racing experience, just the accuracy and precision they've built with thousands of hours and years of game time on other demanding games, and they adjust and adapt to getting the max out of their driving relatively quickly and easily. There's many skills that can be built in other games, than transferred and adapted due to the extreme familiarity of using that same input device.

@PerpetualGains

4 ай бұрын

@@Tesseract69 Thank you! im not here to cry about wheel mode or even bash the players using it! Honestly, I just hope IVT adds a setting for controllers to adjust their deadzone even more, so that there is no need to download a 3rd party application.

Wheelmode is an offset problem of the main problem caused by IVT. The fact that players who have wheel still choose to use wheelmode says a lot. A wheel has greater advantage, yea but also comes with physically disadvantages. You can't play for 5 hours straight without feeling the pain. It's balanced. Now because ps5 players and Xbox players can't download the software means it's not fair anymore or "even less fair" if you wake into account controller being trash. Also the main issue comes from players who act like children showing off wheelmode to the masses and how "quick" they are with it. 🤷‍♂️ Edit: I play with a wheel and 480 degrees of rotations are just perfect. But again I've been playing racing Sims for almost a decade.

i agree ivt need to remove the delay on the controller and put a cap on the wheel rotation so u cant go under 360° on wheel

@emanuelfigueroa414

4 ай бұрын

I have a wheel play on ps5 don't own a computer(yet) mostly agree except for two things. 1 alpha gp is around 180⁰ rotation left and right from the 12oclock position so changing it from that to 360 isn't even real to the actual vehicle. 2nd you haven't lived till you are in first place loose traction get the death wobble fight your wheel for stability and find yourself behind 20 controller players. Yes it's frustrating but I wouldn't have it any other way. Playing with a controller on the couch is boring to me. Going from(spin out)last to top 5 on a sim rig using both hands and feet is a challenge. I wouldn't play any other way. I'm emanuel1080 by the way and as far as my wheel skill level? Been playing race games with a wheel for a year now and I still suck but I'm immersed and having fun. I didn't pay to win cause at 5 GR wins I don't I payed cause I love racing games and what's more fun than actually being feeling like your in the car?

I can’t even tell the difference in driving between top players on steering wheel (niconuen) and top players on wheelmode (predaking) lmao. wheel was broken as balls ever since the beta, but now it’s a lot more noticeable when people can use the same physics while not having to be locked behind a 200 dollar paywall (via wheelmode), imo the problem is not wheelmode, it’s IVT’s garbage mishandling on inputs which lead to wheelmode being a thing in the first place.

After all that has been explained about Wheelmode in this and other content creator's videos, It's pros and cons, and how it could be used to gain an advantage. There is still so much misunderstanding and bias in the comments. Yes Ivory Tower need to fix this issue, maybe like others have suggested by the simple addition of a sensitivity slider to adjust controller steering (As it was in TC1) and eliminate the forced dead zone. I hope they do something soon.. Maybe then we can get back to racing and having fun! 🤷‍♂️

Honestly my take on it is: it’s not cheating, unless you’re using Wheelmode from 3rd party software. Using it on an actual wheel I find fair, because you chose to pay 200-600$ to get that advantage, but you need to quite literally relearn how to drive. With Wheelmode from 3rd party apps on pc I find unfair, because console can’t use it, if console was allowed to use it, it would be a lot more fair since then everyone could use it. I don’t really care that people use wheel mode, because I always make top 4000 in summits at the minimum and consistently get top 5 in grand races. I did lose a couple races however because of a mechanic on Wheelmode called "flicking" where you turn to the left and quickly turn right to where you can take turns at max speed that normally isn’t possible, which upset me because I lost 1st place, but it only happened a couple times so it isn’t to annoying, so I don’t care. I smoke most people anyways, including other wheel/Wheelmode players. Also if you’re someone that’s complaining abt Wheelmode, but get lower than the top 11500 in summits, and don’t place at least top 12 in grand races, I’m sorry but you just have a MASSIVE skill issue and you need to get good.

Don't have a controller, don't have a wheel and don't know how to set up wheel mode. Guess I'll just enjoy the show with my keyboard 🥤🍿

This is the same thing people are doing in Gran Turismo 7 setting their wheels to 180 degrees and out driving everyone else, so maybe these games need to give the console players the same sensitivity settings... Thanks Trigger👍

@MilitiaGamingCommunity

4 ай бұрын

That might be the only fix

Wheel mode just needs to be added universally, wheel mode isn’t like aimbot on call of duty where you’re next to unbeatable, it’s more of a cheesy exploit which has is benefits. But it does not make a bad player perform good

In my opinion I feel like people think that it gives a speed hack because u are able to get through turns easier and quicker because the steering is quicker and more responsive

@MilitiaGamingCommunity

4 ай бұрын

ive certainly heard people say that before.

One quick fix would be for the game to allow only a "Dynamic" setting on the wheel, i.e. you have to let the game set the wheel rotation for the category of car you're using. For street cars it sets the rotation to 450 degrees in either direction , down to 90 degrees for Alpha GP. I use the Dynamic setting on my wheel. I'm a mid driver on wheel, and mid on controller.

Such arrogance to say that 99% in this game are not skilled lol.

@PerpetualGains

4 ай бұрын

Lmao right. Also disrespectful to those he considers “skilled” enough but cant use wheelmode. Basically saying “yeah you’re good enough to roll with the big boys, but you can’t do steroids like they are”

@schmeichelkase7767

4 ай бұрын

Bro look at the summit leaderboards or grand races. Most people are many seconds away from world records or are getting gapped by 30+ seconds in the grand race... hes not saying "you all are bad" hes saying you are not good enough (or not yet) to even control wheelmode. not arrogant at all just pure facts

As someone who values fun and gameplay experience over the competitive under any cost side - I'm sticking to regular controller mode. Wheelmode is not the problem, the ceiling gap between controller and wheel is. These days I'm mostly on custom races (and summits when needed) and have almost completely stopped with GR as it got a bit stale. Plus I'm not a fan of resets/double resets.

Using a wheel is a learning curve too.. took me a couple weeks before I felt I was consistently better & even then I've been adjusting sensitivity settings & pro settings constantly. I think a bigger problem might be only having one playlist for PvP.. Talk about a skill gap issue, almost every race there is only 10 people finishing, new players don't get a chance to hit the 3rd vehicle sometimes.. and that is because the top Dawgs know the 10 races that are available too well by now

@TheKadirovstas

4 ай бұрын

some people cant even brake , or go in a straight line thats why they suck.

@stonebone316

4 ай бұрын

I'm with you. Just got a wheel a week ago and my times are usually 15-20 seconds slower than a controller because I'm still adjusting to it.

@dokutah7374

4 ай бұрын

@@TheKadirovstasi mean in their defense some of the cars just shouldn’t be used in the Grand Race, then theres GP class which is just a skill thing

@jcurrytk3021

4 ай бұрын

Takes a lot of time to adjust and get used to wheel I would play with your force feed back and damber settings to get the right feel when turning if that makes sense and remember with a sim wheel your potential increase 100x times more brother keep on practicing my g you got this 💯💪🏻

Whoever uses wheelmode is cheating. End of Story. If it was allowed, it would be in the TCM Configuration, and you wouldn’t need to download an external tool just to enable Wheelmode. Also, it’s a racing game, it’s meant to be played on a wheel, of course that for you to achieve the highest level you’ll need a wheel. Just like in Gran Turismo/Assetto Corsa/ iRacing / Any Formula 1 game, playing with a wheel is faster, but that doesn’t mean it’s easier. With a controller you have WAY more control over your car and it’s way harder to lose control, so you can still be fast with a controller but not as fast as a pro wheel player. So it’s not pay to win, just how it’s supposed to be. Just like it’s better to play a FPS game like Rainbow Six Siege with a MnK instead of a Controller.

Does everyone who logs in to The Crew Motorfest have the option available to them to utilize a wheel to play the game. Yes, they do. The problem is everyone doesn’t have the extra funds to shell out to purchase a wheel. Does everyone who logs in to the The Crew Motorfest have the option available to them to utilize wheel mode on their controllers to play the game No, they don’t. The problem is everyone is not playing on PC where they can utilize this 3rd party app to make their controller perform as if it is a wheel. Therefore giving a small segment of people an advantage over the rest. Does everyone who logs in to The Crew Motorfest have the option available to utilize shortcuts in Grand Races and Summits? Yes, they do. This just comes with learning the routes and knowing when to utilize the shortcuts when they are available. If everyone you are playing against can’t gain the advantages you have over time, then you are exploiting the game in a manner where every encounter is more advantageous for you. It is That simple.

@MilitiaGamingCommunity

4 ай бұрын

Yes, and by this logic which i agree with, Wheel is just as Unfair as Wheelmode...which is exactly the point of the video. Wheel=wheelmode from a fairness perspective.

@PapaBread149

4 ай бұрын

@@MilitiaGamingCommunity Well that is why wheelmode should be available to all users in the game, if it was available in the Crew 1 it should be available in Motorfest, especially with the sublime driving physics the game has.

The biggest problem in this game is crewing up and doing summits, double resets in grand races and not giving new people a chance to keep up with at least the top 15 racers that actually finish. Racing on a sim wheel is very easy just by adjusting force feed back and what you say about sim wheels doing 900 degree turn is called calibration which is something you gotta do before you use it and that goes for your pedals and if you are using a shifter. Wheelmode just mimics a sim wheel and nothing else. it should only take a few hours to learn. If it takes you longer than give up bc your butt

Both have their pros and cons wheel/wheel mode are more difficult to take cuts with. If you start spinning or losing control you need to know how to react. But you have much greater control of the car on the road. Standard Controller player while not having the ceiling as high as wheel players will be much more consistent in lap times especially on a course that features off road cuts. I’ve played on both personally and platinumed summits with each and these are my takeaways. And no I’m not one of the wheel nerds that play 180 radius with no force feedback that defeats the purpose of buying one.

From everything I have heard and learned, wheelmod is in black and white terms a cheat, but should be allowed similar to an fps bypass, dx tweak or etc, a similar issue happened in the old days of gd where having an expensive monitor would help you by letting you bypass the standard 60 fps, so a fps bypass cheat was created, many people disagreed with it like this but it didn't immediately get you skill you still had to learn how to be good just like this situation, however it shouldve been in the game to begin with

I agree that most people won’t benefit from wheel mode and it’s not needed at ALL to get platinum in summits. But I think it’s more that it’s even possible in the first place and being exclusive to pc. i agree the devs need to balance it out a bit more. but let’s be realistic guys most of us are casual players who aren’t trying to be top 50 players in the world, i find the game to be very very enjoyable and winnable at a casual level, i do well in summits and GR just having fun. to the people it DOES affect tho, there needs to be something changed to make it more fair

I am playing with DualSense in PC, and still having issue learning how to drift, any tutorial or manual to read and learn?, because the drift here is more realistic (or i feel).

Honesty, if someone is that tryhard for what? A few Grand Races? The Summit events? Is not that crazy hard to get platinum if you follow a guide. But once again; if you're that desesperate to get first place in a time trial or something and get a pat in the back I suggest not taking things to seriously for once

I'm not playing much Motorfest, but I have invested in a decent direct drive wheel rig for other games. The reason for it is immersion though, not for a competitive advantage. Certainly for a game like Horizon and even in something like Motorsport, using a wheel is noticeably more physical and more difficult than using a controller. I can race for hours on controller and put forth zero physical exertion, but race for a half hour on the wheel rig and begin to sweat. From the developer's perspective in Motorfest, smoothness and accuracy of input (and immersion) is a big part of the reason people play on a wheel rig. If they dulled that experience and essentially manufactured a hinderance to wheel input, literally all advantages of using a wheel would disappear. I can't imagine the developers would even consider doing that.

@MilitiaGamingCommunity

4 ай бұрын

I agree 100%. On the flip side, if they granted controller players the ability to have wheel steering, they would effectively be giving all players the ability to "ruin" the driving experience that they designed. I do not see IVT doing anything about this considering how few people it actually effects. The advantages and disadvantages of various input devices and software is an issue in lots of games right now.

@babtanian

4 ай бұрын

@@MilitiaGamingCommunity - I don’t expect them to address it either; partly because of the minuscule impact you mentioned, but also because action is not warranted. I think if someone wants to use a wheel, they ought to have the input advantages it offers to counteract the disadvantage associated with how physical it is in comparison. If they can somehow detect and suppress the third party software that provides a controller with the input advantages of a wheel, great; but that’s about all they should do about it.

@Tesseract69

4 ай бұрын

Yea, which is why nerfing wheel isn’t an option, but rather buffing controller starting with removing the hard capped and locked deadzone of ~25% that can’t be removed in-game, even after setting deadzone to 0 in steering settings. That’s a serious oversight by the developers when many people would prefer to have less deadzone than that so they can have more responsive and less slow/delayed steering input. The next thing after that, is a steering filter slider (similar to the toggle switch they had in TC1 but which IVT removed in TC2) where you can tell the game if you want your controller device to be recognized as ‘pad’ or ‘wheel’, thereby giving you a choice of steering mechanics feel in game rather than being forced to use only one or the other, by ones hardware input choice.

With the spreadsheet, if i use a link on a older video, when you guys update it, will it still update for my one?

@MilitiaGamingCommunity

4 ай бұрын

Both the spreadsheet and the app are updated. In fact, the web app pulls the data from that spreadsheet

@TheEditor914

4 ай бұрын

@@MilitiaGamingCommunity thank you very much friend :)

Cant wait for kingdom twelve to throw a fit like a child at this video 😂

@KingdomTwelve

4 ай бұрын

Crazy how having an opinion is now throwing a fit 🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️

@MaximileYT

4 ай бұрын

Blob? You're here, too?

@waterblob6251

4 ай бұрын

@KingdomTwelve last time I checked you banned someone for sending an emoji. Little sensitive opinions is what I think. But also thank you for your videos and opinions, makes the game so much easier for the waste amount of people that will use the games mechanics and shortcuts to win 🏆 ♡ Have a great day 😀

@KingdomTwelve

4 ай бұрын

@waterblob6251 So I should keep people in my discord who talk sh*# and distort my face? Who then make it their PfP and banner, to try and mock me? That makes sense.

@waterblob6251

4 ай бұрын

@@MaximileYT I'm everywhere.

I and many players would have the ability to get better on wheelmode. Even if it takes hours to learn, doesn’t mean some of us who are willing to put the hours in to practice with it wouldn’t appreciate the opportunity to do so. The fact that a setting in game isn’t accessible to everyone who doesn’t own a wheel or pc makes it unfair. It’s like if cod only had a sensitivity setting only for a portion of the community. Sure it’s harder to lock on targets and stay on target with a 10 sensitivity, but once u master those higher sensitivities, u can turn on ppl and lock on targets way faster than someone who’s stuck on a 5 sensitivity for example.

The thing I never got about cheating is the fact that you can’t even fully enjoy the prize you were playing for in the first place. Like yeah you may have won, but in reality there are people who are competing legitimately for their placements/rewards, who actually put in the time and effort. I’m not saying I’m innocent by any means but I can tell you the few times in life I cheated and won, I still felt like a loser in the end. It’s good you clarified the actual problem being the third party software and not wheelmode. W Video Trigger!

This is equivalent to saying a Cronus isn’t cheating or a Xim apex isn’t cheating. Also name a racing game (besides NFS) that is HIGHLY competitive where wheel is not better… wheel should be better. Any 3rd party software is cheating if not all players have equal access. Period…

@PhtevenMilitia

4 ай бұрын

does cronus or xim give you an advantage that you can get with another "non cheating" input device? im unfamiliar with those. i agree that that it not being accessible to everyone is not fair. although you CAN use a wheel on every platform. wheelmode would have never existed if the wheel input wasnt as big of an advantage. i dont use it becuase it does not affect me in any way, the people that are using it where already faster and beating me anyways, and by me using it the skill gap from me to them will still be there and i will still lose. all that is happening is the controller players that had there skill ceiling capped now have the same ceiling as wheel players without a price tag attached. also i feel like there is not as many people using wheelmode as everyone thinks there is.

@MilitiaGamingCommunity

4 ай бұрын

Wheels also use third party software to achieve the same results as wheelmode. If you think wheelmode is cheating then by your own logic, wheels are also cheating. But also, in this video I wasn’t arguing whether the “cheating” label should be applied. I was simply saying that people are focused on the wrong issue. The real issue is how big the gap is between wheel and controller.

@MxgicIQ

4 ай бұрын

@@MilitiaGamingCommunity wheels do not require 3rd party software as I had to install 0 software to my console to run my wheel so that is not true. As per pc if you don’t use the program the game still recognizes the wheel simply plug and play so by “that logic” that claim is false.

@Tesseract69

4 ай бұрын

@@MxgicIQ Incorrect. At least for PC's, wheels aren't just plug and play and magically work in any game without the required installed drivers to fully utilise the game support of a wheel setup such as force-feedback and other vibration effects. Wheel software is 1st party manufacturer software that comes bundled with the wheel and is part of the purchase cost of it. The ability to fine tune your wheel settings such as steering sensitivity is no different to owning a Dualsense Edge or Xbox Elite controller and using 1st party software such as i.e. Xbox accessories, to customize your thumbstick linearity. These options and controls are given to the user and if that's 'cheating' then using Steam (most popular digital library on PC) is 'cheating', as you can remap and reconfigure how your devices work with a particular game within Steam also. Wheelmode is literally no different to using DS4 or reWASD, or Steam, to trick a game that doesn't support your Playstation controller into thinking you're using an Xbox controller so that you can use your Playstation controller in Xbox controller only supported games. I don't think console players who are unfamiliar with the PC world realise just how normal and accepted it is to use the devices your purchase the way you wish to use them. The freedom of options and customisability is precisely why people buy and use PC's to begin with, rather than being limited to brand products decided by the corporations i.e. Microsoft or Sony, of what you're 'allowed' to use or not use. That's where PC is different (and better) in that you don't have that restriction or limitation. I have a video on my channel showing how I can use my analog keyboard as a standard generic keyboard, a Xbox (xinput) controller recognised device, or a classic controller (HID Gamepad, aka wheel input) device. All via the 1st party software that came with my keyboard which is required to control the keyboard lighting. Do I have to use it? Of course not. I could just leave my keyboard with default lighting and forgo any of the options and customisability I paid for and am entitled to with my purchase. But somehow using what you have default access to and paid for is 'cheating' 🤔

@oTheGriMReaPeR

4 ай бұрын

​@@Tesseract69there you go again. Choosing and ignoring facts to suit your arguments.

Hey Trigger, is there any way to access Heat and Unbound's excel sheet?

@MilitiaGamingCommunity

4 ай бұрын

As opposed to the webapp? Webapp: nfsbuilds.militiagamingco.com/ Heat Sheet: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ijC34JXRcRsTNfkdqfrkqsIJJ6hl8B2bZ5vDnu-mckM/edit#gid=1446797488 Unbound Sheet: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pt7M9Gw_bivl9T97ydLEZfDkcCZCwixfFG9kcwnqKR8/edit#gid=1863723253

@V7979

4 ай бұрын

@@MilitiaGamingCommunity thank you so much. I like the webapp but sometimes I prefer sheet for timings, car rankings and other stuff

yo i have a question, what is the name of the car you're using for race? can you buy it or is it a car from the crew 2?

@R4GE_robyn

4 ай бұрын

i mean like, the category "racing"

@MilitiaGamingCommunity

4 ай бұрын

KTM gt2

@R4GE_robyn

4 ай бұрын

@@MilitiaGamingCommunity thank you very much❤

I completely agree with this take, being someone who is of the 1% and plays on PC with a controller and full sim rig, wheelmode has bridged the gap a bit but not fully (3-4 seconds usually per event) in my own use after almost 3 weeks of the new wheelmode; having a sim though i still place higher because of the finer control especially in vehicles in the higher classes and pvp races, for regular events and farming parts, controller makes it easier to relax and enjoy the game a bit more but having a wheel is def an advantage for someone who enjoys the competition.

Wheel filter we will get in season 3 i saw in leaks so thats good

One thing they could always do is kind of like what Gran Turismo 6 had during the seasonal events it would have Wheel players separated from controller players if I remember right Dirt 3 also did it

If there was real pvp other than the grand race where many people ( including me) were not stuck finishing outside of top 5 everytime maybe everyone would be happy and enjoy racing and not look to blame i consequential mechanics

That's a thing? Why is it so slow? Can't you adjust the curve in settings to make it more snappy?

@MilitiaGamingCommunity

4 ай бұрын

unfortunately not anywhere close to how the game treats a wheel

@cursedRavioli

4 ай бұрын

@@MilitiaGamingCommunity kinda shame. I play mainly on keyboard, but have Logitech Formula RX for like 5 years now. Which is surprisingly good.

@Tesseract69

4 ай бұрын

There's also a ~25% deadzone (as tested) which is hard locked within the game and which cannot be removed or decreased even by adjusting steering deadzone to 0 in game, further adding to the delayed and slow, unresponsive steering feel.

"99% of the players cant take advantage of the setting" what about that 1% that can and are held back by it since they are unable to use wheel mode

@Tesseract69

4 ай бұрын

That’s literally what the motivation behind the ‘finding’ of wheelmode was. Top controller players who weren’t being limited by their skill to a wheel player, but by the steering filter imposed on controllers/keyboards by default. It’s unfortunate that access to ‘unlocked’ steering is only via expensive products i.e. the purchase of a wheel or a PC.

@K1__

4 ай бұрын

​@@Tesseract69 just hope they add on option for wheel mode for console, at least its a choice then

Or just make wheel mode a setting in this game, like Forza's "simulation" steering. There's also another big issue in this game, called "traffic in summit feats". The fact that some game directors from IVT thought that ramming into those "part of the live aspect" blocking optimal line, especially in blind corners, in a COMPETITIVE, SKILL-BASED event is ok is unbelievable.

I like how you are *_buyest without any shame at all_* 😂🤣😂 As we *_listen to you_* I understand that you are *actually saying* that *WHEELEMODE* is actually *WORST then a regular controller* *That why* *_every cheaters using wheelmode obviously_* 😓 *FACT* : *in a real competition EVERYONE IS ON THE SAME LEVEL* you are *NOT* in a *REAL* *COMPETITION* if some players have *UNFAIR AVANTAGE* like this *WHEELEMODE* *which allows all these cheaters* to have *a MUCH BETTER handling on their cars* which is not *EVEN POSSIBLE* with a controller

@MilitiaGamingCommunity

4 ай бұрын

Incorrect.

@oTheGriMReaPeR

4 ай бұрын

​@@MilitiaGamingCommunitygreat rebuttal

@PhtevenMilitia

4 ай бұрын

u missed the point of the video. the problem is the gap between wheel input vs controller input. wheel and wheelmode are the same thing. one is accepted and the other is not when both give the same advantage . also hes not saying wheelmode is worse than controller. he states that its very hard to use and wont automatically make you faster without tons of practice and actual skill. if ur bad at the game wheelmode will not make you fast, its not like installing an aimbot for cod

@DESTROYEUR666

4 ай бұрын

@@MilitiaGamingCommunity Can you *develop* a little bit more?

@DESTROYEUR666

4 ай бұрын

@@MilitiaGamingCommunity *_Cheating in video games_* involves *a video game player using various methods* to *_CREATE_* an *_ADVANTAGE BEYOND NORMAL GAMEPLAY_* , usually in order *to make the game* *_EASIER_* Cheats may be activated from within the game itself (a cheat code implemented by the original game developers), or *CREATED* *_BY THIRD-PARTY SOFTWARE_* (the famous WHEELMODE you talking about in your video) (a game trainer or debugger) or hardware (a cheat cartridge). They can also be realized by exploiting software bugs; this may or may not be considered cheating based on whether the bug is considered common knowledge. *Like respawn glitch* for exemple

i've been saying this sinds early TC2 ! and IVT CAN DO THIS ! in the second TTS (beta test for new updates) they actualy had gamepad handling that had way more precision and that gave very good handling feedback trough the gamepad ! but they never implemented it 😤 leaving us with the vage and delayed 💩we still have in MF

I use a madcatz dual force wheel. 👌

I never knew this was a issue lol

They should just make it adjustable…. Controller settings are so delayed that no wonder the people who care about time attack want to get rid of it BUT it’s still twitchy and has a learning curve so they should just make it personalized just like the steering throttle braking etc

I already have a wheel so I’m good

"please, be kind to one another....." in a game that literally has a dive bomb competition on turn one, every time. this game is wreckfest on the road. idc anymore about the wheel mode bs, or any of that. i play maybe 3 or 4 races, and thats it. motorfest is inching closer to the uninstall part of my ps5. thanks ivory tower for selling us yet another game that will be left as is.

@MilitiaGamingCommunity

4 ай бұрын

What's the most important change you'd like to see in Motorfest?

@ralphharrison6622

4 ай бұрын

@@MilitiaGamingCommunity honestly? ghost mode. that would eliminate dive bombing, ramming, and slamming.

Where I have a problem is if all cars can move like an alpha gp car, that’s where the problem really is. Realism gets thrown out the window when all we are doing is summits or GR anymore. No need to bring realism/racing into the picture when we are taking cuts and resets like we are. It’s what makes the crew, the crew, don’t get me wrong. Top runners always have to go beyond normal logic to get crazy times. This wheelmode only separates them that much more.

Issue is that only pc players can use wheel mode. If wheel mode was available to console players no issue, but in this game all platforms compete against each other. Same goes for manual clutch and macros.

Truth is ,some of you will suck even with wheel mode,,,,take your 17th place finish with a smile...🎉

No matter what anyone says about the wheel mode, that it has no advantages, although it has a few advantages: I own a Logitech G27 wheel and an xbox x controller, so there are cars with slow gearshift such as the Lamborghini from the playlist awards, or other classic cars, when shifting gears with a lever, there is no pause between gear changes as when controlling from the controller, this is the first advantage, and the second, although it is not big, it is shown in the video, although it does not look like the real behavior of the car and someone may not like it, but those who play for the result will use it and have more advantages over players with a controller.

its a 100% cheating no doubt about it, but just like sidwaj mentioned in his video, banning that software isn't gonna solve the issue. Someone is gonna create a different software which is gonna get banned and then the whole cycle repeats again. How do u fix this issue? By adding it into the game.

I miss from you,. like from everybody kinda who is talking about it . that is air control. wheel players dont have that. only up and down. wheel mode is a problem in my opinion. it dont help the game with being fare. but Macro clutch what nobody is talking over since tc2 is even a bigger problem. because practically every vehicle in tcm benefits from that. I hope that the devs works something out.

It will start to effect all summit players. More PC players start to use it, as they get better with it then we'll see less and less console players hitting the top 10k.

Simgii, Goliath and I’m sure others have already made videos and said that wheel mode for controller is cheating. You ain’t gonna tell me that one flick of the joystick is the same as turning a wheel 180 degrees! And if everyone can’t do it then it’s cheating hands down. I want to see you use a wheel set on 180!

@MilitiaGamingCommunity

4 ай бұрын

I certainly don’t have the skills to use a wheel or wheelmode correctly so I stay away from both. Also, I’m not saying it is or isn’t cheating. Just saying the community is focused on the wrong issue. Goliath and Simgii are saying the exact same thing.

A Logitech demand on wheel is increased :)

In Rocket league its called an input lag. Here the same issue on Controller?

@MilitiaGamingCommunity

4 ай бұрын

Sort of. It feels like input lag but it’s intentional by the dev to make the driving experience more enjoyable. Unfortunately that has a consequence of limiting the most competitive and skilled players in the game.

@Tesseract69

4 ай бұрын

It’s a combination of a ~25% hard capped deadzone + a steering filter, that causes the slow and non-linear steering in Motorfest.

Unless it’s also possible on console then it’s unfair by definition you can’t say it’s fair if it’s PC only as it’s not available to all. I’m not against it’s existence though but if you use it to get better times your kinda cheating

@MilitiaGamingCommunity

4 ай бұрын

It is possible. You have to buy a wheel. My main point in this video is wheel=wheelmode

@James-miller

4 ай бұрын

@@MilitiaGamingCommunity I know but so could anyone on PC, I’m saying console players can’t manipulate the steering sensitivity without buying a wheel

@MilitiaGamingCommunity

4 ай бұрын

No they cant. You are right about that. However, if the gap between Wheel and Controller didnt exist...If those 2 inputs were fair, Wheelmode would never have existed. It's a band aide to the actual problem, but its being demonized in the community when the application and advantage is exactly the same. For some reason people are ok with having a $200+ paywall for that advantage but not free access.

@James-miller

4 ай бұрын

@@MilitiaGamingCommunity I agree wheelmode isn’t the actual problem its the vast difference between wheel and controller. It’s a purchasable advantage which I’m ok with or this free workaround available to PC players. Maybe they can split lobbies/servers to controller or wheel as I’m guessing the game thinks your using a wheel

@James-miller

4 ай бұрын

Think of a average grand race with 28 players probably 2-5 might have a wheel but 15 could be on PC if it gets popular it could be a problem so if we call it cheating hopefully less will use it 😂

Ok broo 🎉🎉

PlayStation and Xbox don't even get the option of wheel mode. Fix that and no more issue.

Wheel mod should have there own lobby

@MilitiaGamingCommunity

4 ай бұрын

Not sure that solves anything. Wheelmode player count is estimated at around 100 players. The crew Motorfest has 100k unique players compete in summits every week. So we’re talking about a tenth of a percent of the total player base.

180 degrees is half a turn, 1/4 turn would be 90 degrees

@littleboz204

4 ай бұрын

it's a quarter turn in both directions from straight, so the total range of motion is 180

At the end of the day your experience is what you make it. Want to exploit money and XP then enjoy your experience. Want to use macros then have at it too. Your missing out. The problem is with things like wheel mode it allows players who want to be competitive without doing the work to moan about not achieving the results. Between TC2 and TCM me as a semi average player has 2k+ hours in both games. I use no exploits and still achieve platinum. Its a competitive game so get better to the moaners. The grand race is the glaring issue with TCM as there's major concerns with its longevity

I, for one have changed my mind about WHEEL MODE being cheating, HOWEVER; CONTROLLER PLAYERS are being SHAFTED. The problem with Motorfest is the COMBINED REWARDS structure. I beleive that a page should be taken out of IMSA's playbook. What I'm talking about is MULTICLASS RACING. The breakdown would be like something this: PRO CLASS: P.C. players, Console players with WHEEL SEMIPRO CLASS: All CONTROLLER CONSOLES CAPABLE of 60 FPS AMATEUR CLASS: CONSOLES INCAPABLE of of FPS (XBOX ONE, PS4?) Prizes awarded in SUMMITS and GRAND RACES according to CLASS. GRAND RACES would not have to be extended to allow 1 of each class to finish, you just have multiple "WINNERS" (1 in each CLASS).

for me i can careless about wheelmode. unless you're a skill player manual player to take advantage of it, but its not like is gonna be over 10k players with those skill level. i play to have fun.

The issue is completely overblown at this point. Its not helped by every single youtuber making their video about it, which is making it seem like its a bigger issue then it is. Im not using wheel mode and I get top 500 every summit just bc i watch your videos. I get 1st is grand races maybe 1 outa 4 and always in top few spots. My guess is less than 200 people in the entire world are using wheel mode and I dont get why its talked about so much. People not getting platinum in summits are not gonna get plat bc TBH they just suck.

@PTracer921

4 ай бұрын

Exactly, I feel it (this and the reset) really deflects from the real issues that need to be addressed in the game such as pvp

Let's agree to disagree, this whole chit chat about " wheel-mode does not give you an advantage if you're not a good driver"...cmon. All the top players are using it, and abusing that in both timed events and grand races, on top of it, stupid shortcuts, resets at every corner, and so on and so forth. I only found out about this about two weeks ago but now it makes sense how some ppl turn at 280 km/h without braking and some need to take the same turn with 240 max. In grand races, most of these ppl still lose because in those you have to actually be a good driver and it's very situational, but in timed events, summits, rankings for playlists, they are all full of cheaters and glitchers and wheelmode users. Ivory needs to adress these, wipe out all the times of these so called " top players" and find a way to make the game fair for everyone. And to be honest, since it got so popular on yt more ppl use it now than ever before.

Wheel is cool but they need to bring back the wheel mode feature from TC1 ..it seems like that game is the best.I reached podium plenty times with my series S controller and the game lags plus engine sound never load so IVT needs to fix their game.Hope they deal with the ppl who like ramming and still lose its not GTA

3.29 this is the problem

I think most people using a wheel and wheel mode would not be very happy if IVT setup a new matchmaking system based on what input you use. If they didn’t mind having the same advantages as everyone else they wouldn’t use wheelmode. Being put solely against other wheel players levels the playing field. It really seems people use wheels and wheelmode for an advantage and not any white lie they may tell you. If they didn’t care about having an advantage they’d stick to the same inputs as everyone else.

@KevinThompson33

4 ай бұрын

You might consider this a white lie, but I have a wheel because it's more fun for me to play Motorfest (and many other racing games) that way. It wasn't as fun or natural for me to try to drive a car with a little joystick.

@emanuelfigueroa414

4 ай бұрын

I wouldn't mind being pared up with other wheel players. You guys think that playing with a wheel instantly make you meta when it only makes it that much easier to loose control, spin out, or fight your steering wheel out of a death wobble when everyone decides to smash into you. But hey what do I know right I've only got one years experience on my t300rs gt, only 290hrs on motorfest and roughly 5ish wins on the grand race

From now on if I see a super fast pc player I'm gonna assume they're in wheelmode 😉. Unless theyre simgii

Every vid I’ve seen, whether the creator is for or against wheelmode, the top comments proves that the community is against it

@MilitiaGamingCommunity

4 ай бұрын

Not speaking directly about this video but in general...people who agree with a subject or point of view generally dont feel the need to voice their opinon in the comments. Some dont even feel the need to like the video. Comments are almost always against the thesis/point of the video...its just nature. So its probably not the best metric to judge the community on.

@SaneU_c

4 ай бұрын

@@MilitiaGamingCommunity id like to argue that the hardcore fans (the ones who comment in this case) are the community and the content creators/pro players are the pillars of it. Everyone else who aren’t commenting simply don’t care abt the game enough to do so and/or aren’t at a level where issues such as wheelmode matter since they aren’t experienced yet. They could also be on yt without an account therefore unable to comment…

it's a Cheatersfest already and I'm done with it, I tried to force myself to accept what I'm seeing in pvp and try to enjoy it but it was impossible.

Controller joysticks don’t get thrown to the left or right when you get hit by another car… not to mention how easy it is to correct your line on controller if you spin out. I might be able to turn faster but when your wheel gets thrown around it’s way easier to be accurate on a controller rather than having to spin the wheel back to center. Don’t even get started on pedals, unless you have great pedal. Definitely sounds like he uses wheel mode. It means nothing to throw words over a picture. If wheel is so much easier on turning how can people drift so easily on controller but it’s way harder to be accurate on wheel?

It’s okay guys! It’s Only the top players cheating.. it’s only the top players abusing the reset mechanic.. it’s only the top 10,000 that get platinum rewards on the summit so if you miss out by 1-100 you just need to get “better” 😉😉. So by that logic people that use wall hacks in CoD isn’t cheating by downloading something 3rd party to get an advantage over the rest of the players?? I mean they are top players so let them get all the advantages they want right. I disagree with your wheel comment, wheels are designed for console and pc and the devs put the settings in the game if you choose to buy one. Explain to me how someone on console and abuse this wheel mode mechanic?? Oh wait they can’t because you can’t download 3rd party exploits on console. So now that everyone is grouped together in Summits it doesn’t take long for pc players to get adjusted to it and now good luck trying to get that car in the Summits. Personally IVT should separate Summits again based on console OR increase the platinum count OR make it point based.

@MilitiaGamingCommunity

4 ай бұрын

Console players can buy a wheel and have the exact same advantage and when you buy a wheel, you download third party software which allows you to adjust your settings. Wheel=Wheelmode.

@Tesseract69

4 ай бұрын

Some controllers identify as a ‘wheel input’ when plugged in to a console. The driver for wheel is a standard HID-compliant game controller driver (which is on all platforms), it’s a fundamental driver to make anything with axis inputs work. There’s also adapters you can buy (or make yourself) that while trick your console into thinking you have a wheel plugged in when in fact you’re using a controller. You could probably put the blame of the extra effort required to use wheelmode on controller on consoles due to large companies locking down their platform and restricting you to only ‘approved’ hardware products. Limited consumer choice and options is why people buy PC’s so they have more choice and control over what and how their devices perform like. Such is the extent of device mandating that IVT removed the ability to let your controller identify as a wheel in The Crew 2, when it existed in the Crew 1. IVT have taken a backwards step to this issue and it’s in their hands to do something about the device input imbalance.

Str8 up reason why these car games are a$$ why in game controller don't have a sensitivity settings ???

HOT take PC wheelmode players are still slow compared to sim racer due to sim racer myself and many more out there that use H shifter and clutch

Im not trying to talk crap but can somebody please give these content creators a wheel with loadcell pedals so they can put their money where their complaints are?

Excellent video you perfectly explained this

Downloading 3 rd party apps to gain advantage is literlly cheating.

@MilitiaGamingCommunity

4 ай бұрын

Wheels use 3rd party software

3rd party program is not fair bro.

@MilitiaGamingCommunity

4 ай бұрын

Wheels use 3rd party software also.

@LuKas99911

4 ай бұрын

true, but one you just install a program, the other you have to buy which makes it much less accessible, and I highly doubt that a console gamer who just uses a controller like me will beat someone with a steering wheel or wheelmode on their computer, but I'm also not putting much faith in this game for a while now, there isn't even a pvp like we had in TC2, just grand races with people just playing like crazy, this is very boring. But anyway I like you and your videos bro with the best prosettings, peace.

Using a third party software for an advantage is cheating. It doesn’t matter if they are more skilled drivers. TC2 was better split by platform. I knew I was only playing against PS4 players. No hacks or third party software advantages. Even had more platinum summit slots.

You absolutely nailed this video ! I said this from the verry beginning.. The people who use wheelmode where already the best players in the game.. Taking away their wheelmode would still give the same results.. So it really doesnt bother me what they do Because it literally just affects the top 20 players who do it.. Or madmanss like simgii and lany others who can easy keep up with it WHEELMODE IS NOT THE REASON YOU DIDNT MAKE PLATINUM OR LOST THE GRAND RACE !

I'm sorry I'm going to disagree wheelmode is cheating the same way some players that I saw in the grand race already have the Audi Q8 cheating, glitching and we can carry on I just feel sad for players that cheat because that is a way of life and the most likely cheat in their own personal lives also

whellmode is cheating even if its only beneficial to the top players, i would compare it to using aim assist on mouse and keyboard, in both scenarios you need a third party app to achieve that result so stop trying to excuse cheaters (and yes i know that only a small numbers of players can use it properly).

That didn't age quite well

@MilitiaGamingCommunity

2 ай бұрын

What do you mean?!

@bottomtext593

2 ай бұрын

@@MilitiaGamingCommunity Release of Direct Mode changes EVERYTHING. NOW I can keep up with the Wheel mode sweats with it.

Nicely stated!!!!

Using a physical wheel has additional advantages that I didn't hear mentioned (or I missed them). A wheel is generally around 300mm in diameter. It's MUCH easier to maintain precision in a turn holding something that large, especially with force feedback allowing you to feel it/when traction is about to be lost. Trying to be as precise with the tiny analog stick is much more difficult. As a side note, Motofest let's you change the degree of wheel rotation. No 3rd party software needed (although it's noted that the capability to further adjust settings in the wheel software exists) I'm addition, I find having paddle shifters under each hand helps a ton as well. It allows for maintaining the direction of the turn while shifting, as opposed to hunting for a controller button and losing position on the analog stick. As far as fairness, I don't see it as being any different to someone using a keyboard and mouse who arguably have a major advantage as well, especially in shooter games; or someone using the old-fashioned 6 button arcade controller to play Mortal Kombat. At the end of the day, people will use the controller/input they're most comfortable with. As for wheel mode for the controller, I know nothing about it, but it seems like another option for people to try. If they become good at using it, good for them. I don't think Ivory Tower needs to do anything. In fact, I commend them for supporting various options. If anything, to appease to those who don't like it, maybe they could implement a setting like Crossplay where game lobbies could be restricted to a specific input type (i.e. controller, controller as wheel, wheel, keyboard, etc.)

So I’m still trying to figure out why is this a big issue. If it was a big issue why hasn’t IVT put out an “ricochet” defense like CoD. So why is a big problem to you users ?

crazy how you can talk as slow and clear as possible and people still only hear what they want to and miss the entire point of the video.

@TakingtheApexwithLuiB

4 ай бұрын

Yes it's unfortunate

this is cope right? like you are still downloading 3rd party software to TRICK the game into thinking you have a different input device, how is that different than buying a xim to take advantage of a previously unobtainable feature locked behind a certain input device IE aim assist with controller OR in this circumstance much faster steering input with a controller regardless on if you can use it properly or not wheelmode is cheating as you are still using an external program to exploit something only available to a small minority of the playerbase normally (that being faster steering input using a steering wheel) if you think that isn't cheating than you are coping because if its classed as cheating in other titles why would it be any different here? to the people that say it completely changes the feeling of the cars guess what? so does aim assist with mouse and keyboard and yet its still classed as an exploit or a cheat. the fact that people have the audacity to not only use it but then defend themselves means that all hope is lost for a balanced racing experience.

@MilitiaGamingCommunity

4 ай бұрын

I definitely hear your argument but I have to remind you that wheels also use third party software to adjust the steering sensitivity. Wheels and wheelmode are equal in terms of performance. But one costs you $200+. The fairest thing from my perspective is to allow all players to have the same “wheel steering” for lack of a better word. However I don’t think IVT will do it.

@JuniorPhillippe

4 ай бұрын

@@MilitiaGamingCommunity What third party softwares? I have a wheel and all this configurations you said are available in the game. Wheelmode is cheating, there’s no arguing about it. They’re >Not Wheel physics aren’t supposed to be used with a controller, otherwise they would’ve added the option ingame just like they did with The Crew 1.

@Daleorean

4 ай бұрын

@@MilitiaGamingCommunity The wheel software in question is to adjust the wheel, the software that allows players to use wheel mode is tricking the game into believing the controller is a wheel, they aren't even in the same scope. sure having a wheel is costly and you CAN perform better with it but it comes with the added downside of being physically exerting to use constantly have to move your arms to turn and move your feet to accelerate while the controller has what? finger fatigue? why should controller have nearly all of the advantage of using a wheel with none of the short comings it doesn't make sense, also if we were to give all players this wheel sensitivity option then by that token why not give all call of duty players aim assist regardless of their platform or input device. while i don't have a solution that could directly solve the problem would using wheel mode still not be considered cheating in the same scope as using a xim in cod or siege would be? they have an anti cheat in the game and while this is a very unique circumstance other companies are already cracking down on the usage or third party software or accessories to gain an advantage so why should ivory tower consider that also?

@Tesseract69

4 ай бұрын

You're conflating two entirely different things. One is cheating, one is not. Here's how. The aim assist feature is to help balance the controller inaccuracy and difficulty in precision consistency with that of a keyboard and mouse. The very purpose and intention of aim assist on controllers is to balance one input more closely with the other input which has default hardware advantages over the other, i.e. the pinpoint accuracy of a mouse. Someone who uses aim assist on a piece of hardware that is already advantaged by default due to its mechanical design and construction of it, that absolutely 100% is cheating. As they are getting the combined benifts of both while simultaneously destroying the level playing field the developers tried to create between two different input devices. This is unlike wheelmode where you don't get the advantages of easier air-control, reduced understeer, auto speed adaptive turn in angle, controller vibration and haptic trigger feedback etc. All that is disabled on wheel, so by using 'wheelmode' you only get the wheel input positives, but you also get all the negatives that come with it, such as the removal of the aforementioned things. You're not getting the perks and benifts of two different kinds of input devices, you're only getting one in favour of the other. And here's the funny thing. Wheelmode was found and discovered by people looking to *balance the inputs* and the disparity between the lack of precision and control controller steering that wheel has. To think wheel already has these advantages *by default* due to its mechanical design and function, yet they are also *further advantaged* by the games code. While controllers are disadvantaged by having a forced, and *an unable to be removed* ~25% deadzone, and a very aggressive, non-linear, slow, unresponsive and unprecise steering filter. So no, it's not like using aim assist on a keyboard and mouse setup and abusing two advantages (hardware and game code advantage). Wheelmode is *actually* the aim assist itself. It's to balance the inputs disparity between controller and wheel and to bring controller up to the equal and level playing field as wheel. This is nothing but an IVT failure to properly balance inputs that the community had to resort to finding a solution themselves to address the input balance unfairness. That's what people are not understanding about this. Wheelmode is a consequence of poor game design. It's not 'a cheat over every other device', it's an input device difference balancing solution.

@Daleorean

4 ай бұрын

I disagree entirely that these issues are different by any stretch of the imagination, firstly if aim assist was to help balance the controller inaccuracy competing against MnK players then why i must ask are PC players more often than not using controller to take advantage of aim assist, because its way more consistent than an average player could be with MnK and only high level players could compete with the aim assist consistently which doesn't make up the majority obviously. so then lets apply the same logic to wheelmode, using a wheel has the advantage of being faster IF you are experienced enough to utilize it efficiently however, even if you are efficient using a wheel the immediate downsides of it are that you are using most of your body to race i.e. your entire arms are steering and using both your feet to accelerate and brake assuming you are using automatic. All of that can be tiring especially over long gaming sessions that wouldn't be otherwise felt in the same regard when using wheelmode as you are only using your hands and fingers to achieve a similar effect to the person using the wheel, on top of this there are just some things that can't be done using a wheel that CAN be done using wheel mode chief among which is the crazy switches in directions without consequence highlighted in goliath's video, so while you believe that this isn't the same as using aim assist on MnK i completely disagree as you are using a much less physically intensive instrument being the controller while using third party software to take advantage of game code meant to be used with a different input entirely. using a steering wheel in an arcade racer seems silly in concept anyway but to add on to that it is a minority of the playerbase that would be taking advantage the quicker turning speeds while having the downsides of it being an expensive investment on top of it being more physically exerting to use over a controller, wheelmode doesn't have either of these downsides and these so called advantages of using a controller are trivial at best as the ability to control whether you are using a controller or wheelmode is completely in your hands and could be switched at will. Anyone who actively rallies with the idea that wheelmode is anything but cheating is coping and those who believe that this is a way to balance the input disparity against an input that is both a time invest and a money invest while also being a such small percentile of players must also believe that the aim assist in the new CoD games is fair because of the small percentile of players that also invest time and money into improving instead of just buying a controller or in this case using some software. stop coping this is cheating and no point of view thus far as proven me otherwise.

completely agree.

Enhancement has always been a thing in video games. 10 years ago playing WoW I used a lot of enhancements from third party developers. Controller mods are not cheating. They are just tools to help with immersion. Speed multipliers, add-ons that alter the car to make it faster would definitely be cheating. Controller enhancement doesn't make the car faster. If you change any aspects of your controller in settings you are essentially doing the same thing.

Yeah, no. This is cheating, it’s a completely separate application, it’s like using a wall hack in Competitive COD, sure there’s a perk for it but not permanently. This is cheating, your cheating

@MilitiaGamingCommunity

4 ай бұрын

I understand why people think its cheating however I want you to think about something...When you buy a wheel, you download third party software that gives you the exact same advantage as a player who uses wheelmode. If you think wheelmode is cheating, then so is using a physical wheel according to your logic. And, I think most people do not think using a physical wheel is actually cheating which is exactly my point in the video. The issue is that there is a significant advantage to having the control of a wheel in Motorfest over a controller. Anyways, happy racing!

never was, i get they get a cleaner line better turnin n all, but so can u even onna controller. js be better keep practicing

Man i dont agree with you, wheelmode help you a lot i play on ps5 i tried on pc with wheelmode on ps5 remote its like day and night diference, for how hard i tried i never stay above gold never no matters what i do with the wheelmode you can do 120.000 in the summit easly, ps5 ? 104.000 or with luck 110.000 so dont defend who exploit the game, platinium rewards ? You always going to say bye bye to hard for ps5 players. I follow you since need for speed heat and my opinion you loosing credits to me defending exploiters and saying that not a advantage.

Saying wheel mode and an actual wheel setup are the same, when they actually aren't. Wheel mode is a literal hack/mod. An actual wheel setup from Logitech, fanatec etc has been licensed an okay'd by pc game devs, Microsoft, Playstation, an even console game devs. Big difference from some random sketchy mod on the internet compared to an officially licensed product lol, even if they essentially do the same thing, just one with a controller. You're also forgetting how the first crew actually had "wheel mode" in the settings. Simple fix.. put that shit back in the game lol. All the settings and things that have been removed we all liked, should never of been removed to begin with. Ivory Tower just keeps screwing the pooch.

@MilitiaGamingCommunity

4 ай бұрын

Yes of course there are differences including one you didn’t mention…wheel being more physically demanding than controller. I meant that the performance benefits are the same. I don’t think IVT will put it back though because it ruins the driving experience and players will feel forced into a worse driving experience to remain competitive. I’m curious what, if anything, they do decide to do though. Tbh, it doesn’t affect my personal experience with the game. I’m just interested in what their stance is.

Question, Can any player no matter the platform use Wheelmode? No... then it's a problem regardless of players skils! The real problem is consoles and PCs.... They should never allow Crossplay between them, there's too much potential for modding, hacking and cheating with PCs! And why are you always defending exploits and bad behaviors?! You're really making me dislike you... 😒

@MilitiaGamingCommunity

4 ай бұрын

I think you may have missed the point of the video. The gap is between wheel and controller. Wheelmode is just a band aid. Console players with a wheel have a significant advantage (provided their skills are up to par) over console players with a controller. Wheel=wheelmode

@MrZancruz

4 ай бұрын

@@MilitiaGamingCommunity Nope, I fully understood that before your video... anyone with the cash can buy a wheel (That's a choice, Like not using meta) Not everyone can use a wheelmode program and that's where it's not FAIR to all, Wheelmode usage should be frowned upon by the entire community!

@Tesseract69

4 ай бұрын

"Question, can any player no matter the platform access wheel input? Yes."