I think you shouldn't judge the authors of this short film too harshly. They took it off for $ 500 and a bottle of vodka. Imagine what they would have done for 80 million?

@rolandrohde

2 жыл бұрын

It doesn't really capture the scope and feel of the books, but neither did Season one of the Amazon adaptation...and that managed to look cheap despite the 80 Million budget...

@Kazyek

Жыл бұрын

Yea, to be fair this one at least stick to the story of the book. With proper budget, these authors would probably have done a much better job than Amazon's travesty :(

@kenabbott8585

10 ай бұрын

And look how bad Judkins fucked it up with millions.

This pilot is the reason for the Breaking. The Hundred Companions went mad after seeing it.

@jcevans16

5 жыл бұрын

Lol, yeah if mat had blown the horn, they would've shown up, said " what hath you done?" And disappeared again.

@saraforney3940

4 жыл бұрын

I’m upset at myself for having watched this. Ugh.

@blueeyed5074

2 жыл бұрын

In 2021....this is still better than Amazon's horseshit.

@aleksanderhelgesen5457

2 жыл бұрын

@@blueeyed5074 Sad but true

@svendragon8139

2 жыл бұрын

@@aleksanderhelgesen5457 It is heresy visited upon us by Rafe Sightblinder Spudkins

there is a special place in hell for those that would fuck up the wheel of time!!!!

@aswaney7449

8 жыл бұрын

+Ammon McFarland Hell yeah!

@ceebee

7 жыл бұрын

What's "Dredd 3D"?

@GrandmasFolly

6 жыл бұрын

This low budget pilot was released to secure the rights to the series nothing more.

@sylvanransom704

6 жыл бұрын

The point of this wasn't to do it well, they just had to put something out to keep the rights before they expired. They'll put more effort into the full TV series they're intending on doing, but they couldn't do it if it weren't for this shitty pilot

@drewlovs

6 жыл бұрын

This was a under-handed, 11th hour ploy to keep the right from reverting back to Jordan's widow. They didn't even have it on the guide-it just appeared in the wee hours of the morning with ZERO advertising on FXX. Jordan's widow didn't even know they put it out until after the fact, and she sued for the bad faith-she recently won and got the rights back, hence Sony entered the picture. This production has nothing to do with what has happened in the last year...

Lol, all the people in the comments who now look back fondly on this pilot after watching the Amazon series. It's like how the Star Wars prequels, while not good movies, look great in comparison to the sequels.

@dantesinferno80

2 жыл бұрын

It's funny ain't it...I remember waking one morning to hear this was out only to be crushed by how terrible it was....fast forward a few years and a terrible amazon show...and light help me I'm now enjoying this through comparison

"Ilyena Sunhair"...hires a brunette actress. :X

@customsongmaker

7 жыл бұрын

Joe Ochs - Now we have no doubt that you're foolish enough to think Ilyena Sunhair can have brown hair

@customsongmaker

7 жыл бұрын

Joe Ochs - Didn't read, you already proved yourself a fool

@anahita7459

5 жыл бұрын

Could've put a wig on her lol

@aleksanderhelgesen5457

5 жыл бұрын

@@anahita7459 didn't have the budget for a wig

@s7e6p19

5 жыл бұрын

That stood out to me too! Hello?! Sunhair? At very least use red head if no blonde around 😜

what the fuck is this shit! how dare you do this to the wheel of time. either give it the respect and funding it deserves or leave it for someone that will

@nediojon749

8 жыл бұрын

Don't worry a true tv series is in the works not this garbage

@mrjane6872

8 жыл бұрын

lies?

@nediojon749

8 жыл бұрын

no lie look it up the annoying law suit thing is done and they are in talks with a network

@ravenknight4876

8 жыл бұрын

in an Age where game of Thrones is this sucessfull, It's only natural that wheel of time will spawn a high Budget series too. either as rival, Or as HBO's next big thing

@Stahlgewitter

8 жыл бұрын

Exactly...I say if they choose to underfund, we make a fund ourselves - for all of the TWoM fans out there who expect this movie to at minimum MEET their expectations...there MUST be millions of us out there. If every one of us gave $1....

So apparently in the Age of Legends, Lews Therin Kinslayer lived in colonial Virginia?

@TheFrogfeeder

4 жыл бұрын

tigersfan1065 Pennsylvania.... duhhh, you didn’t know that?

@presto4548

4 жыл бұрын

Why wouldn't it? It was the age of legends? The book wasn't clear on the constitution of the castle and most real don't look like medieval castles anyways. They are more estates. Did you expect the whole world to look like bladerunner?

@presto4548

4 жыл бұрын

@Ben Siener when the age changed is not particularly important. I supposed to be technical the death of Lews Theron would be the end of the 1st age. The point still stands that the age of Legends would have looked more like this then Medieval representation shown in the graphic novel. The age the Legends is more like Fable 3, the second age is more Skyrim and leaves the third age looking like a mix of Renaissance Europe with a healthy shaking of feudal Japan.

@presto4548

4 жыл бұрын

@Ben Siener Ah. I see. I made a punctuation error. That is supposed to say it was the age of Legends. Not it was the age of Legends?. With that said I'm still very impressed and highly pleased with the look of this. It gives the world a kind of Golden Compass feel which is how I've always seem that age in my mind. I would have been perfectly happy if this would have gone further and started the story of Rand in more of a Renaissance Festival setting flashing back to a more polished early 20th century feel.

@presto4548

4 жыл бұрын

@Ben Siener Yes! I 100% agree. That was weird but it's better than nothing at all. Also having him have such young children was odd considering he was 400 at this point but I guess it drives home the lose of a family and not just a single person. But I can forgive that.

Executive producer: Larry Mondragon Just Lan in disguise

@courtneye4789

6 жыл бұрын

LMAOOOO stick to your swordfighting larry

@nicholaseliseev5588

5 жыл бұрын

al Lan Mandrogaran, the King of the Seven Towers, would not dishonour himself with such Light-forsaken abomination

@fizork4782

3 жыл бұрын

Al Lan Mandragoran, Crownless king of Malkier, Lord of the Seven Towers, Dai Shan, also known as Larry Mondragon

If they had this, condensed, and ended with LTT gating somewhere and creating Dragonmount, it would have did a shit ton more to establish everything about the Dragon and the Dark One than the show has done so far in 4 episodes

@jt5765

2 жыл бұрын

It's been awhile since I read but didn't he just create Dragonmount there and then when he realised his actions had killed all his loved ones and obliterated the hall of servants?

@Ravi9A

2 жыл бұрын

@@jt5765 nah, he gatewayed away and then did it.

@jimzimmer2048

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ravi9A because he was a good guy

@ajajala5081

2 жыл бұрын

Lol yeah they messed up some things in the tv series. This shit was horrid , nothing in this would have been a good blue print for the series. Even the story telling is putrid.

I am here after the Amazon series released, who else is here? XD

After seeing the clusterfuck that is the amazon show I can only say: Perhaps I treated you too harshly...

I just heard about this, watched it, and now I feel ill. This is awful. Red Eagle Entertainment is suing Harriet McDougal over the rights. All her lawyers need to do is make the judge watch this and the case will be dismissed :P

... eh. Pretty... flat. And he goes to stab himself, versus overdrawing the One Power and creating Dragonmount? Blah. Seeing his family dead (and not melted into the ground....) and he just says "Light forgive me" with less enthusiasm than asking for another pancake. Light forgive them, indeed...

@Tom-uf9hf

7 жыл бұрын

he really should stick to cameos in ben stiller movies

@smshah232

7 жыл бұрын

egmccann Not to mention for a pilot episode of a series based around a complex magic system, they made no attempt to show what that might look like visually.

@JedForge

7 жыл бұрын

You do realize this was just thrown together so that they could retain the movie rights to the books right? Personally, I'm surprised they got any kind of known actor like Billy Zane for it.

@JedForge

7 жыл бұрын

Though I agree something with more thought would have been appreciated.

@frostwitch7234

6 жыл бұрын

And in the words of Nynaeve "Your a god damned idiot. I have half a mind to take a slipper to your backside."

Came back to rewatch because I judged it too harshly after seeing Amazon's bastardization of the Wheel of Time.

Watching this made me summon all my energy into a suicidal explosion leaving behind a massive mountain in the process

I can see why it was called bad 6 years ago, but then again it is just a pilot. Give these people 80 million dollars and tell them to remake this now? Lol would've been amazing.

Needs stream lined massively, but honestly it wasn't terrible, it's almost like watching a play.

@jaredhawkbooks7718

2 жыл бұрын

Compared to Amazon this is amazing

@BrannonParker

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah the overtop complaints are just typical lockstep lemming mode responses...

@SanityVideo

2 жыл бұрын

It feels almost like they took an excellent but very short prologue and stretched it out to 20 minutes.

@85mcarnold

2 жыл бұрын

I was very disappointed when they didn’t include the actual prologue from the book in the Amazon series. And Billy Zane has some great delivery here.

@AvonleaJewelers

2 жыл бұрын

@@SanityVideo The prologue clocks at 17:15, so it is not that stretched

What the fucking hell? The acting was lackluster, Lews kept saying The Dark One´s name and why the fuck did The Dragon not destroy the world and raise Dragonmount in his despair and madness, you now, like he did in the books? This studio needs to pass Jordan´s legacy to people who cares for the story enough to give it justice, if not for the fans, then for the respect of the mans work and dedication up until his death, that brought us, in my humble opinion, one of the best fantasy epics written to date.

@thuzan117

9 жыл бұрын

Alexander Nielsen I'm pretty sure the breaking was caused by a variety of factors, partially it was likely the aftermath of the war of power and the rest was the result of saidin becoming tainted. Lews Therin did not break the world single-handedly. Though he did raise dragonmount. Also it is noteworthy that at least towards the end of the series, the Dragon did not seem overly concerned with naming the dark one, indeed, towards the end the dark one seems to have regarded him like an equal, at least as an adversary.

@AlexanderNielsen

9 жыл бұрын

thuzan117 Okay, sure the Breaking was a period of about 300 years, true, but Lews did create the largest mountain AND volcano on the continent, if not the world. From the Wheel of Time wiki: He (Lews) drew upon all that he could possibly channel, and then exceeded it, causing a bar of white-hot energy to descend from the sky. This pillar struck Lews Therin and atomized him, but also struck the ground where he had been standing. The blast, so hot as to flash-vaporize stone, tunneled into the mantle of the Earth and caused a volcanic eruption of gigantic proportions, creating Dragonmount. I do believe that might have had some kind cataclysmic effect on the rest of the planet. SPOILERS AHOY! Also Rand al´Thor can say the dark ones name without repercussions, as he transcends on Dragonmount, when he contemplates whether or not to fall into the dark ones power and let the world end, and decides to save the Wheel and have it keep turning. He becomes some kind of avatar of the Creator. Lews never did this, therefore he is actually just a man, whereas Rand is the "Messiah" if you will.

@thuzan117

9 жыл бұрын

Alexander Nielsen yes dragonmount may have had an influence on the world at large, or at least the local area, volcanoes are very destructive and super volcanoes are even worse. as for Rand al Thor naming the dark one and his ascendance well you have a point but it is also important to note that in his moment of transcendance he also reconciles the voice in his mind that his lews therin with himself, the two finally blurring together and him realizing that they were one and the same all along. also it's not as if naming the dark one makes you drop dead, it just draws his attention and in Rand's case early on causes him to momentarily lurch and be overcome with a sense of discomfort. during the breaking the dark one had just been sealed so it's quite possible that naming him would have done nothing, Rand after all named him the first time purely to prove he killed him, which he did not and was evidenced by the fact that there was a reaction. also in all fairness lews therin WAS seized by madness at the time.

@dianapahule3289

8 жыл бұрын

+Alexander Nielsen Looks like a fan version expressly for KZread.

@AlexanderNielsen

8 жыл бұрын

Diana Pahule It does, but it is actually made by the people that held the movie rights based on the books, there was a whole debacle about it when this came out, as a surprise to everyone and the rights was just about to default back to Jordan´s wife, if they didn´t do anything with it. Like making a shoddy and half-assed version of the prologue, using an old camcorder, confused and/or drugged actors and a script written by someone who barely glanced the source material. As luck would have it, it has just been announced (as in yesterday) that there will be made a series based on the books, made in collaboration with Harriet McDougal (Jordan´s widow), so there will most likely be made something of substance soon.

The worst part of this is that half the episode is him walking in circles yelling "Ilyena? Children?"

@whatnot7453

5 жыл бұрын

wasnt that half of the prologue? LOL

@artemislogic5252

5 жыл бұрын

that is actually the bit they got right

@Qualex14

5 жыл бұрын

@@artemislogic5252 Maybe in the book it's okay, but in a TV show it's obvious filler

@artemislogic5252

5 жыл бұрын

@@Qualex14 in the book, honestly, it was just as annoying, and just as long, lol

@artemislogic5252

5 жыл бұрын

obviously if anything though, it should be a 2 minute sequence at the beginning of a real episode, i dont take this pilot seriously at all

Imagine if this show had the same budget as the Amazon abomination.

@MrHATING101

2 жыл бұрын

They should burn 🔥 any copies of season one and start over

At least this one accurately adapted the source material...

@MrPorko2c

2 жыл бұрын

It also spent a whole episode on a single prologue. Easy to adapt exactly like the book when you’re making a single pilot with no intention of ever going through with the rest of the series. It’s a tad harder trying to adapt an entire 15 book series into like 8 seasons for tv.

@Satsujinki1973

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrPorko2c It's not as hard when you actually use the books. Instead of writing fluff that isn't even in the books to fill up more than half the season.

This pilot was literally made so they could keep the rights to the series.

@KingBobXVI

9 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I was excited when I heard about this... but the effects, screenplay, and most of the acting are sooo bad, and now the rights can't be passed to someone who won't crap on it. It's like Spiderman all over again... but without production quality.

@Enjorous

9 жыл бұрын

It's listed as a "TV movie" not a series though that tells me there is not a plan for it to be released.

@birtikidis

9 жыл бұрын

Not sure but I don't think the whole series was done. Harriet and the Jordan estate had no idea this was being done. In fact they filmed it in thirty days according to the director. They finished this pilot on 2/4/15

@boru1982

6 жыл бұрын

Max Miller well we can safely say what you wrote was absolute bullshit.

@skygoddard7577

5 жыл бұрын

@@KingBobXVI heyyy but look, there's gonna be another WoT show now!

Anyone else watching this after the real show came out? Lol

@jt5765

2 жыл бұрын

Yup. Prefer this. Just a shame it's not in HD let alone 4K 🤣

@ctrlaltdebug

2 жыл бұрын

Still better than Wokazon trash show.

@bluejays440

2 жыл бұрын

And its BETTER. SOMEHOW

@danofthedead1979

2 жыл бұрын

I remember seeing this years ago. I dont follow the books, or knew any lore. I was confused, this as a pilot could never be used to attract people to it. But i suspect this was just made to hold onto the rights.

@Satsujinki1973

2 жыл бұрын

@@ctrlaltdebug A show that starts with the refrigerating women trope is hardly woke. Let's not talk about how they cast the two darkest skinned black men as evil characters, and lightest skinned as good. That's also not being "woke." It's actually kind of racist casting.

Who’d have thought this would end up being the best adaptation

@cupofjoe.88

2 жыл бұрын

Few understand how bad the Amazon adaptation is. At least this is true to the books

@MrPorko2c

2 жыл бұрын

@@cupofjoe.88 a whole episode for one prologue. Were they planning a chapter per episode? This is why you can’t just copy the books. Plus the acting, CGI, direction etc were all horrendous compared to the Amazon version. Edit: ILYANA ILYANA ILYANA ILYANA ILYANA etc

@scottfree6479

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrPorko2c That's a fair criticism but it's still better than the Amazon garbage we ended up with.

@dillonbalcom9656

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrPorko2c a whole episode? Hardly 20 mins. Run the show an hour, extenf the first episode. Cut what can be cut, do not add or change pointless and world/ story breaking devices. E04 just had a entirely made up plot, which took the majority of screentime. It served to destroy the magic system and make warders look unorganized.

@Satsujinki1973

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrPorko2c They had an extremely low budget, they needed to fill a half-hour infomercial style slot they bought. It was an attempt to keep the rights.

Can we please bring back Billy Zane. It doesn't even matter which character. As long as he's a chosen. Hes brilliant

@kenabbott8585

2 жыл бұрын

That would be the perfect 'screw you' to Red Eagle

@Dave3Dman

2 жыл бұрын

@@kenabbott8585 With his dramatic flourish I think he would be decent for Asmo over Ish

@shara1979

Жыл бұрын

Yea he's perfect for this! A villain role, of course!

@Nalimias

11 ай бұрын

@@Dave3Dman he would be great Asmodean, but let's be honest, ALL the forsaken have a flair for drama

We were too hard on this...

This isn't near as bad as I was led to believe,. If you read the books it kinda makes sense

@jansonmur4362

2 жыл бұрын

Better than what we got from amazon...

@Hello_once_more

Жыл бұрын

No it doesn't. First of all in the Eye of the world Lews Therin said 'Where are you, my wife? Where is everyone hiding?' meaning he saw no one at all. Not to mention it should have always not been from Lewis Therin's perspective. Also his clothes are just all wrong as said in the prologue 'His clothes had been regal once, in gray and scarlet and gold; now the finely-woven cloth, brought by merchants from across the World Sea, was torn and dirty, thick with the same dust that covered his hair and skin'. Just something add it did not have the namesake of the prologue, the birth of dragonmount itself. Hell even if it was awful cgi it would still be better than him killing himself with a dagger. The acting wasn't to good either and why are they adding unnecessary lines and parts, like that hole doll bit. There was no point to that. The best version of this is the audiobook version read by Michael Kramer which if you haven't I would recommend you check out: in fact I am certain that you can find the audiobook version of the scene on youtube.

@patricklee8088

Жыл бұрын

@@Hello_once_more Okay, this is an example of needless nit-picking. "It's not exactly like the books! Worst adaptation ever." Is the spirit of what happens in the prologue. LTT is oblivious to both what he has done and why this stranger seems intent on provoking him. Being "healed" he realizes the horror of his actions, his regret, his anger, and then despair. Ishamael is charismatic, irritated at the mental state of LTT, and also excited at the prospect of finally beating LTT. Is the hair color wrong for a couple of people? Sure. Were any of the characters casted with actors with a different ethnic look because "diversity" should trump good story-telling and paying attention to the source material? No. Is it long and could use some editing? Absolutely. Did they correctly explain the basics of how this world works, who's-who of major story/lore characters, and the overall conflict correctly? Yes!! Comparing visual media to written media is a pointless exercise. There are things you can get away with in a book that audiences for a movie or TV show can't. The dolls and hide-&-go seek game adds to a sense of dramatic irony as well hit the audience of the horror committed by LTT. This is called show, don't tell. In the books, it's necessary for the author to sometimes literally describe the scene for because you aren't there and not seeing it. Think of Jackson's LotR. Not 100% faithful to the books, but few can deny that it isn't what the world of Middle Earth would look and feel like. Did it have problems? Sure, Merry & Pippin and Legolas & Gimli are way too comedic. Legolas is practically invincible. Aragon has too much self-doubt, though it does add a little more depth to his character. That said, Tom Bombadil is a pointless character whose presence adds nothing to the narrative. The fourth hobbit who doesn't join the others is maybe interesting, but again adds nothing to the actual plot. Same with the Scouring of the Shire.

@Hello_once_more

Жыл бұрын

@@patricklee8088 I disagree the dolls and the hide & seek to me personally just seems boring and useless, not to mention it is far more ere and horrific to have had Lews Therin walk through his palace with darkness and his dead kin surrounding without him even noticing (which would be show don't tell). Also if you want to talk about spirit, this was literally made so Red Eagle could keep the rights of WoT away from Robert Jordan's widow, not to mention it misses out so much. Lews Therin dying here seemed like almost a moment of clarity but in the book he 'Quickly he had drawn more of the One Power than he could channel unaided' and even more as he was 'Straining, he forced himself to draw more, tried to draw it all'. The audiobook tells us that everytime he said "Ilayne forgive me" or "Light forgive me" he was shouting in rage, he did not blame the Dark One no he blamed himself. This clearly shows they misunderstood the conflict entirely. Also Ilayne being blond is fairly important, not only is she called 'Sun hair' by Ishamael but also later in the series that fact becomes one of the first few moments Rand notices Lews Therin's thoughts as Rand talked about Elayne's hair which brought Lews Therin talking about how it reminded him of Ilayne's hair. In addition to all these problems comparing this to Peter Jackson's Lord of the rings trilogy is downright sacrilegious. At the end of the day that trilogy understands each scene at executes it to its best ability. Also it does look like Middle Earth while this does not like like the age of legends. Lews Therin here looks like a middle class man going to the office instead of the regale almost king like figure he was. The building is fine for its budget and Ishameal looks fine but Lews Therin is just awful. Honestly I feel as if you understand the source material just as much as these folk did. Ishamael was not supposed to be charismatic but instead imposing and unsettling in away. You have to remember this is the same man Rand, Mat and Perrin saw in their dreams, the man Rand faced at tarwin's gap, at Falme in the clouds and finally in Tel'aran'rhiod in the Stone of Tear where he slew Ishamael. Though in the prologue he is not supposed to have his eyes of flame he still was the same man. P.S. I never said this was the worst adaptian considering the WoT amazon prime show exists.

@bloodofthefayth

9 ай бұрын

@@jansonmur4362 sadly yes, wish could have hired the folk that did this, they clearly read the books, amazon didnt

I hope when the Amazon series starts filming, they play this for the actors and say, "See this shit? Don't do this."

@paulogonzalez6411

4 жыл бұрын

i love this hahahahah

@fanghur

3 жыл бұрын

Honestly, I don’t think Billy Zane’s performance was that bad. If nothing else, he did the best he could with what he was given.

@UncleRabb

3 жыл бұрын

Billy Zane's Performance was masterful. I hope they do this shit again, because it was spot on to the book. The reason it failed was because it wasn't known to the Estates.

@krzysztofwozny9458

3 жыл бұрын

It's not the fault of actors.

@brendanchapman3

2 жыл бұрын

ya, they didn't do that.

Michael Kramer's narration of the audiobook puts this to shame. Even Billy Zane, who I consider a great actor, can't compare to Kramer's expressiveness.

@amandajohnson6900

6 жыл бұрын

I LOVE his voice, he does Sandersons books too as does the female who does the WoT books.

@elazarsinger4187

6 жыл бұрын

@@amandajohnson6900 Kate reading. They are both wonderful narrators

@mohkamel

5 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing. Michael Karmer did a WAAAAAAY better job playing both characters.

@danboom101

5 жыл бұрын

@@elazarsinger4187 Reading has always been hit or miss for me, but Kramer was just phenomenal from start to finish.

@danboom101

5 жыл бұрын

It's kinda to the point where I'm going to judge any actor's rendition against Kramer.

Wow great special effects! The lightning looks just like Highlander in the 80s. They must have spent at least $500 on this.

@loneshine

5 жыл бұрын

lol - looks more like all they spent was a favor from a nephew who's "good with computers"

@cgnefarious5785

4 жыл бұрын

If I remember correctly, the budget for this was $200.

@MetalCharlo

4 жыл бұрын

I can do better with 0$

@jamesphillips7885

2 жыл бұрын

@@MetalCharlo amazon did worse with 10 million. 640 million total budget

@jamesphillips7885

2 жыл бұрын

An Episode of Dr who costs 750 k to make

Honestly I never hated this

Well, I wasn't swept off my feet exactly, BUT, it was intriguing, it - if a bit drawn out - follows the prologue and I would MUCH prefer to see more of this than the shitfest we actually got from Amazon which would have Robert Jordan turn in his grave and possibly even wake up and try to break out of his grave to visit misfortune upon the world.

Ilyena Ilyena Children? Ilyena Ilyena Ilyena Children?

@Qualex14

8 жыл бұрын

But if they cut all that, the pilot would only be five minutes!

@mwells219

7 жыл бұрын

"You can have her back, Kinslayer. The Great Lord of the Dark can make her live again, if you will serve him."

@jonathankreitler5045

6 жыл бұрын

Aravore Jason?

@aleksanderhelgesen5457

5 жыл бұрын

@@mwells219 should have prayed for a longer acting career instead

@travisatchison8429

4 жыл бұрын

Dragon. Dragon? Dragon!

At least they understood that LTT was the dragon.

still the best WoT adaptation :(

How the fuck can it be better than Amazon's WoT?! It's so rough but it has far more personality in 20 minutes than 8 episodes of 50...

For essentially an unaired pilot, this was really good. Imagine this with the budget that amazon had, would be amazing!

@bloodofthefayth

9 ай бұрын

i just rewatched this, with the budegt they had, they did well, i especially like the symbolic death, walking up into blinding white light, holding a sword, symbolizing 1. he hasnt given up, and 2 the death by balefire to resurrect his fam, amazon should have hired these people,

@fudgyvmp17

8 ай бұрын

@@bloodofthefayth I mean all these people are still credited in the amazon production, except the actors, and the director who died the day after it aired, the pilot is dedicated in his memory though.

Who is here after watching the new trailer?

this is a crime against humanity or at least WOT fans

@Jrdn357

5 жыл бұрын

I bet that this ended the careers of all the cast and crew....

@loriannwhite8384

5 жыл бұрын

Ziooby4 What careers?

@Jrdn357

5 жыл бұрын

lol, I know right?

@ragnarokgaming7802

5 жыл бұрын

I recently finished memory of light and am so hyped for the Amazon show, I thought this was like a trailer/pilot for that upcoming series and I was so mad lol, hopefully we get a good adaptation this time around

@RichGirlRG

4 жыл бұрын

This was shot by the network just to preserve rights. This episode aired at night.

This reminds me of those old cd rom games that had the horrible live action cutscenes.

This isn't looking so bad anymore is it?

@Dave3Dman

2 жыл бұрын

Guhh dunno whether to laugh or cry at that one.

@jacobnormann6678

2 жыл бұрын

Zane’s performance here is better than any of the actors in Prime’s edition

@Ravi9A

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry billy

@asian_christ

2 жыл бұрын

No, it looks even awful now.

@konradpotgieter7866

2 жыл бұрын

@@asian_christ Dude it does not look great but its INFINITLY more faithful to the source material than that absolute disgrace of a amazon show. Thats what these comments are saying 😛

This narrator is confused -- the "True Power" is only available to a select few Darkfriends. And she must be a Darkfriend since she called the Dark One "Lord".

This could have been SOOOOOO SOOOOOO GOOD. Instead of just reading the books and going, "Mmmmyeah... it's oookaaaay. But you know what... we could do THIS instead!" And then never opening them again.

Unironically better than Prime’s version

Still better than the new TV series.

@LOWBORN-the-LOATHSOME

2 жыл бұрын

FUCKING AGREED.

@Shadowkey392

2 жыл бұрын

Ummmmm…no.

This is 10x better than the Amazon shit we got

Daniel Greene was so harsh to this underrated episode which clearly had a small budget and limited time, and is so nice to Rafe Judkins when he has 80 million dollars and plenty of time to make something good

That was so dumb. How then does dragon mount get created. This is shameful.

Genuinely breaks my fucking brain that this half assed bullshit from 2003 turned out better than the $80 million TV show. Hey Rafe, look at this: lore, characters, lines, and scenes from the BOOK! You know, the thing you completely ignored. It even looks BETTER in 360p than your 21st century production does in 1080p! Jesus. No wonder Amazon's show blows

@Satsujinki1973

2 жыл бұрын

I read it was from 2015. But it does look more like 2003. But The director had their death announced the day after they wrapped on twitter.

@kenabbott8585

6 ай бұрын

Part of the problem is that Judkins thinks that Jordan is "problematic" and needs to be "fixed." The other part of the problem is that Judkins is a blithering ****tard (**** you, youtube auto-censors!) who couldn't fix a boxing match if Don King owed him drug money.

still better than amazons circus show

Wow. I never even saw this in 2015. And this "Wasn't approved by the Jordan Estate"? This is better than ANYTHING that Rafe Judkins has put forth so far. He didn't even have the courage to tackle the prologue.

What in god's name did I just watch? A couple actors/actresses using names that are incredibly familiar to me, in a scene that I only can only describe as WTF?

Well at least The Betrayer said all the right lines. He seemed to have good delivery too.

@facundogonza5740

Жыл бұрын

Now this looks like a Master piece.

Oh my god, I can't believe... It turned out to be better than the Amazon adaptation...

@dreamer2260

2 жыл бұрын

It's actually unbelievable isn't it. For the love of the Light...

@MrHATING101

2 жыл бұрын

Yup

This shit's better than the garbage Amazon produced

still better than the amazon show

Getting rafed is a hell of a thing.

This was better than all 8 episodes of the Amazon Prime show

lolol ohhhh, its SAD when this is more accurate than the Amazon show ppl are fawning over. To think, we foolishly thought this was bad in 2015. A lil perspective goes a long way hahaha

So I guess I don't need to read the wheel of time now after witnessing this masterpiece

@brotherbuddha89

4 жыл бұрын

No, in every way this "Winter Dragon" is just wrong the opposite is true of the 14 novel Wheel of Time series (15 if you count New Spring which is a short story prequel) by Robert Jordan and finished by Brandon Sanderson following the death of Jordan in 2007 . Here's a good video about why you should read the WoT series by a passionate fan of the WoT. kzread.info/dash/bejne/eoqll8uzlJzZdpc.html I've got high expectations for the WoT tv show being made by Sony for Amazon Prime TV and I'm not alone in that, here's a link with info about what we know so far. www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/efjj5h/the_wheel_of_time_tv_adaptation_news_roundup/

@brotherbuddha89

4 жыл бұрын

Here's an on point and well earned scathing review of Winter Dragon from the same fan kzread.info/dash/bejne/mpqd08mNh5vUp9Y.html To sum up this is a 20+ minute abomination of excrement.

@cadenflynn1587

4 жыл бұрын

brother Buddha he was making a joke...

@brotherbuddha89

4 жыл бұрын

@@cadenflynn1587 hard to tell that just from the text written without any indication plus not knowing the user. A jk would've made clear the intent of the text.

@cadenflynn1587

4 жыл бұрын

brother Buddha there’s this thing called sarcasm, it’s pretty obvious.

This shit is still better than the show Rafe inflicted on us

Even worse than making a mess of it, here's why. "Last year, the "pilot" for a Wheel of Time aired in the middle of the night by Red Eagle Entertainment, apparently in a bid to hold the rights to Wheel of Time from returning to Robert Jordan's estate. Red Eagle sued McDougal over comments she made about the topic, but now that everything is settled, we'll most likely get new details about the long-awaited TV series for the epic books of Robert Jordan"

@Kriterian

8 жыл бұрын

+Lee Hare "Wanted to share with you exciting news about The Wheel of Time. Legal issues have been resolved. The Wheel of Time will become a cutting edge TV series! I couldn’t be more pleased. Look for the official announcement coming soon from a major studio" -Harriet

By Billy Zane's Beard! This is an abomination!

@nathanrussell8577

5 жыл бұрын

Dragonlance reference. Love it

Bloody horrendous. Worst pilot I've ever seen.

After what Rafe and crew have done with their deviations; I almost wish that Red Eagle and crew were given the budget that Rafe and crew currently enjoys. This is already more faithful to the books in the first 20 minutes than the Amazon series has been in it's first 8 episodes.

Faithful Adaptation of RJs literary work. If the costumes, set and effects are off-putting just remember... it's just another turning of the wheel!! 😂🤣

@MrHATING101

2 жыл бұрын

I hate that excuse for that shit show

Whoa, this looks way better than the Amazon series!

So this is where D&D got their inspiration when writing the last seasons of GOT....

@JoeNoobie

3 жыл бұрын

No, this is where D&D the movie got their inspiration from in Y2k...

Billy Zane would make a great addition to the Amazon cast though.

Lews Jr? What the fracking frack?

Let's hope Amazon gets Billy Zane for Lews Therin role

Wait this is the AoL. Shouldn’t the technology be super advanced during this prologue?

@humbleherald2163

5 жыл бұрын

Can’t imagine what the Third Age must look like... madness

Still better then Amazon's Wheel of Time.

He didn't go super saiyan in the end which resulted in that mountain,etc

@yessir.7937

5 жыл бұрын

Because they had to make something to keep the rights to the series. They obviously weren't gonna waste money on that.

This was only made and aired so that they would be able to retain the television rights for wheel of time. As there was a clause in the contract that was about to make their rights to the show expire.

So basically what happened is this: Red eagle bought and owns the rights to a Wheel Of Time tv show and or movie. Those rights were to run out if they did not air said tv show by this time. They aired this Bloody Piece of Mothers Milk in a Cup so that they could retain the rights. This implies that they intend to make a real effort at an actual show that will make them lots of money. Thats why they played it late at night. They hoped no one was watching. Apparently one of the people that watches infomercials was like ermagird! where is my favorite infomercial and what is this bullshit?

@leeheck9109

5 жыл бұрын

When do they run out ?

@fedos

5 жыл бұрын

@@leeheck9109 Red Eagle will have a production credit for the new series, but there's no way Amazon or Sony would let it be this bad.

Yep, better than Amazon's pile of Trolloc feces.

Still 150% better than Wheel of Prime...

As shitty as the new show is they may as well insert this as a flashback. Maybe Billy Zane can get a few dollars in royalties or something

This is an atrocity. I will never watch anything by these producers. To see Robert Jordan's books misrepresented is one of my biggest nightmares. To have the story I love above all others cheapened by fools who think they can make a buck. I hope the Wheel of Time is never made into a movie, series or any other drivel concocted by those who lack true passion for the story and meaning behind it.

@sorta.cinderella

6 жыл бұрын

Marc Ariel Brown Agreed!

@Team503

6 жыл бұрын

You life must be pretty good if that's one of your biggest nightmares! Well, pray to Amazon, who owns the rights and is developing the show.

@TF1Akrata

6 жыл бұрын

You think this is awful? At least they tried. At least someone found people willing to act, cast and clothed them, filmed and directed them. The cover art on the books i'm reading is fucking insulting. Its like someone said "yea, one dude has reddish/golden hair. Another dude has similar hair, but wears a hat..... there's this thing with big ears and droopy eyebrows. OH. and another guy carries an axe and wears a vest" and the artist said "I got you fam" Mat Cauthon is described as a wiry, lean man. red hair, a fox pendant, and a sword-spear. Perrin a thick, broad man. Dark, shaggy hair, and limbs like tree trunks. The cover art on the book i'm reading now shows Perrin to be about the size of tom cruise, with a blond mullet and an axe that just dwarfs him. and fucking Mat. You can't even see what color his hair is, he's wearing a fedora. the "sword tipped spear" he carries is just a fucking spear. And the medallion he wears is a bobcat. A BOBCAT. Rand is this short stocky dude. Loial looks about 5 foot tall and utterly human. I'm legitimately angry about it

@MissCaraMint

5 жыл бұрын

Wait Mat with red hair? where does that say? I can't find a single line about it being that colour. I thought the point was that Rand was the only one with hair that wasn't either brown or black in the two rivers.

@TF1Akrata

5 жыл бұрын

You're right. His hair is brown. My bad. But I stand by everything else xD

ah yes, typical age of legends aes sedai clothes. A regular, modern suit.

Anyone else come back here, after all these long years, to look upon the last age and wonder, was it really that bad? Hurts me to see how much the Amazon series is straying from the books

Ishmael expressions in reaction to Lews' delusional small talk about the family reminds me of Kratos the first time he met Ratatoskr and all he could say was "what is happening?"

Glad this never made it, it needs a totally different team behind it that respects Jordons work.

@derechosapollo6362

9 жыл бұрын

+Haroon Ghazni who is Jordon?

@karlstone297

8 жыл бұрын

+Derechos Apollo I would assume he refers to Robert Jordan. You know. The Author of most of the books.

@ottokuntonen3430

6 жыл бұрын

It's Jordan

@tmartin8888

6 жыл бұрын

It's still in the works. The 'pilot' was really painful to watch, yes, but it was never intended to see the light of day. Since they've enlisted Rafe Judkins (Hemlock Grove, Chuck) I still hope it can be good.

@courtneye4789

6 жыл бұрын

Right it's like they got someone who has never read the book to "take this first chapter and put it on screen" :P

Better than the amazon series

when we laughed at billy zane and ended up with freddy kreuger

Jeeez this is boring but still better than the dumpster fire that is the Amazon tv show. Least it's more faithful to the books.

It did a fair job of following the prologue to start, cheap production values aside. I suspect they didn't have the budget to show the creation of Dragonmount. This is a throwaway bit of crap anyway, so it doesn't matter. Like the Star Wars Holiday special, it is just a bit of interesting history for Wheel of Time fans.

This looks pretty good after watching the Amazon series, eh 😂😂😂

@asian_christ

2 жыл бұрын

No.

@phildennison3281

2 жыл бұрын

Yes

@chadgeri

2 жыл бұрын

ikr?!

How could they leave the formation of the Dragon Mount out??? Come OOONNNN!!!

I read all the books, and I actually liked this one episode it is very similar to the prologue, there are actually quotes from the prologue in this. I wouldn't mind these two reprising their roles.

" Remember You light blinded idiot," that's when I knew ishamael is gonna be my favourite 😂

You should listen to your friend Billy Zane, Lews Therin. He's a cool dude.

When this came out I was offended and I said it was bad. Then Rafe Judkins put his slashfic on Amazon. Then he showed us the atrocities he plans to commit on Season Two. Please come back, Red Eagle Productions. We want you to do the show, and we promise we'll watch it.

Man, I remember when I thought this was bad. Now that the first season is done on Amazon this is so much better than what Rafe did.

@NDenizen

2 жыл бұрын

It's honestly uncanny. A million dollar production was so disrespectful and awful that this corny copyright placeholder feels more authentic in comparison. Utter clown world we live in.

@dreamer2260

2 жыл бұрын

@@NDenizen That's the thing. Even though obviously the budget was not here, and the writing and acting etc. was lacklustre and corny, it is still an attempt to tell the story of the books. The show seems to go out of its way to insult the story and characters of the books. Just unbelievable.

@silversnail1413

2 жыл бұрын

The acting isn't that bad and the dialogue is pretty on point, almost directly lifted from the book with some minor alterations. If they had better costumes, sets, and a decent effects budget to properly depict Lews Therin blowing himself up, it could have been a very strong adaptation.

i cant wait for amazons adaptation

Who would have thought this would be better than the actual series

I can forgive them for wanting to build sympathy for the kids etc. and I can forgive them for wanting to give an idea of Lews Therin's personality pre-taint. But is it really so fucking hard to stick to the original dialogue otherwise?

@UncleRabb

3 жыл бұрын

It is the original dialogue?!

I didn't see this video until a year before they release the Prime TV show. I never understood what they disliked about it so much.

Am I the only one who actually really enjoyed Billy Zane in this? Everything else was shite, but I couldn't help but enjoy his performance.

@HannahGK

2 жыл бұрын

He was appalling.