i really appreciate these videos as someone who’s read the book. it’s a good reminder of everything and your commentary on each major change is very insightful. really hope you continue with these and that they get more attention. thank you for doing these

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! I'm planning on doing one for each episode :)

@cellorosemusic12

Жыл бұрын

Same I really appreciate these!!!

As a book reader I’m struggling with how they add scenes to promote “strong women” character but then leave out scenes from the book which show how capable the female characters are. Nynaeve killing the trolloc being swapped for Egwene doing better in the Forrest then Perrin is a poor choice.

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

YESS SAY IT LOUDER. I've been going on and on about this all day. They are trying to make decisions to make the women seem "more important and stronger" but are actually UNDERMINING the strength of the women in the books. They didn't need to be considered for being the dragon reborn (which doesn't make sense with Saiden/Saidar situation) because they were the most powerful channelers the Aes Sedai had seen in generations. Nynaeve doesn't need to kill a trolloc to be a freaking BOSS time and time again when she lets literally *nobody* walk over her and her Two Rivers folk. Egwene doesn't need to be Ta'avern, she gets crap done on her own.

@rontalkstabletop

2 жыл бұрын

This. All of this. All. Of. This.

@markcrane1362

2 жыл бұрын

I struggle with this and a few other changes to fit today's politics. Mainly the gender neutral one power and the hinted at relationship between Moraine and Suan.

@MaleusMaleficarum

2 жыл бұрын

... if you really want to understand this... then realize that gender (as in Jordan's work) will be increasingly problematic as this series progresses. I anticipate further changes.

@Peregrin3

2 жыл бұрын

They also downplay men a lot for example in episode 1 Moirraine of all people says the men who sealed the Dark One were arrogant fools even though in the book they are portrayed as tragic heroes. Now if a Red Sister said it would make more sense given that many of them hate men.

I read the books starting… 30 years ago omg I’m old! I love your videos because there is a lot of stuff where I’m like “that’s changed right?” and glad I can come here to see if it’s just my bad memory or not. The wife and I have both read the series and are enjoying the show after the first three episodes. Events may be slightly different but the spirit of what we wanted to see is there. Really looking forward to the next episodes and then popping in here to find out what I forgot. Last I love the way you talk about things that haven’t happened yet so as not to spoil anyone who doesn’t already know. Is a great approach to see.

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

As someone who hates spoilers, it was super important to me that people who haven't read the story could watch these videos! So I'm glad it worked for you. My husband and I have both read them too, and it's super fun to watch together. Some of the changes were a little jarring for me, but I'm also super excited for the rest of the season. Nothing beats seeing characters you love on the big screen, even if it's a little different than you expected.

I agree Tom is the craziest change, his whole personality is just depressing. It kills me bc it is a huge thing. Also how he teaches the boys how to be “worldly”.

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely! But the problem is, the characters are already too worldly. They took out a lot of their innocence, so they couldn't really have that, you know? But I wish the real Thom was there to bring some levity to the show. It needs it.

@gilian2587

2 жыл бұрын

Or... 'interesting choice': they let Verin be the outlet of levity in this show.

@Jontis1979

2 жыл бұрын

Also the gold coin ..so she could find them etc..

@robwalsh9843

2 жыл бұрын

In this day and age of "muh grittiness" there is a troubling habit of taking characters who are established as joyous, kindhearted, honorable and lively....and turning them into something depressing in order to "sUbEvRt ExPeCtAtIoNs". It's like the screenwriters couldn't appreciate the joy a Gleeman brings to an isolated place. I'm not thrilled with how the show is treating Lan either.

@papaandnanahomestead1467

2 жыл бұрын

I think they are starting off showing Thom dim and dark. But I believe the entertainer side of him will be shown. After all he is a master Chameleon where ever he finds himself.

Rafe has altered the characters to the point that any new readers to the series will be asking themselves "wait, wtf.." within the first few chapters. These alterations are going to continue through the rest of the seasons. I can only imagine what we'll end up with.

I just finished The Great Hunt, everything is very fresh, so it's great to see someone talk about all of the differences both good and bad. What I read and what I see on the screen are actually VERY different and Tom is one thing I have a hard time getting used to. It really surprises me how all of the differences have gone unnoticed even by die hard/long time fans.

Nynaeve: Ask what you want to ask. Lan: How you found us? Nynaeve: Sorry, they changes my backstory so I don't have explaintion.

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

LOL. Yes, it's bizarre because I think they tried to change things to make the female characters "stronger" but in the process actually sort of...made them weaker? Egwene and Nynaeve were killer to begin with. They didn't need this whole "I could be the dragon too" to be important.

@Jackolantirn

2 жыл бұрын

I don't want to detract from Aviv's meme; it's good. ... But in the book, didn't Nynaeve find them because she was really good at tracking? As ridiculous of a feat it would be for her to have tracked them down on her own in the tv show... That's what she did in the books, no?

@Aviv704

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jackolantirn Her father taught her how to track. It still ridiculous, but works better and gives some insight about Nynaeve .

Domon shows up several times to help in huge ways. Also his involvement with Egeanin and the Seanchan is a huge part of the series.

I’m kinda glad I decided not to read the books because I was able to just watch the show as its own story without having to compare it to anything else. And I really enjoyed it from the very beginning!

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

I'm really happy non-book readers are enjoying it! That means the show runners are doing something right. Even if it is a little tough on us fans for some of the changes lol

@alveolate

2 жыл бұрын

non-book here as well. i found ep1 a little slow and some of the dialogue kinda going nowhere? the crazy trolloc battle and moiraine's sorcery suddenly snapped everything back tho. as the show went along, it had these slow parts mixed with some iconic scenes, but the dialogue always feels a bit unnatural for me. like they're forcing bits of info here and there, and none of the interactions that the 4 youngsters had seemed to match what they're just experiencing... the trauma of being attacked by crazy creatures and being told they have to be on the run with some mysterious witch-lady. they've been on the run for days if not weeks by now, and they still haven't gotten any details about where they're going and why? what's moiraine been doing all this time? anyway, it's still a fun watch. definitely better than netflix's Cursed, which felt way more aimless. but i'd say some of this journeying could very easily stray into that territory of seeming aimless for non-book viewers, if they skip too much worldbuilding and mess up character introductions.

@Eridi4na

2 жыл бұрын

@@Raistlinsdragonclaw thank you so much, I haven’t laughed that hard in a while😂

@ElijahStormblessed

2 жыл бұрын

It could just be that I don't have the nostalgia/perspective of most book readers, because I'm still working through the series right now, but.... I've read the first few books and also still really like the show?? Which I'm so shook to slowly realize is an unpopular opinion?

@Shadowkey392

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bookborn it’s not that tough. I’m a pretty big book fan, and I’m loving this show, partly despite and partly because of the changes!

I really love what they did with Thom tbh. He has this really fitting retired rocker vibe that I enjoy, and he's still such a good mentor figure for Mat already

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

I'll be honest in that I hate Thom so far 😂 BUT...I'll still give him a chance to win me over.

@Shinntoku

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bookborn the scene of robbing Mat was definitely a bit out of line, but I think mixing the bardic elements with a more modern-ish rocker vibe really fits with how WoT is our future and all :P my biggest disappointment was actually him lacking the colourful Gleeman's cloak, that was always a thing I loved

@sieuzice

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bookborn I was pretty upset about Thom as well initially, that hobo-looking thief.. But after watching the episode a second time it didn't feel that bad. The songs in the show along with the lyrics are pretty badass!

@kirielbranson4843

11 ай бұрын

I also hate the new Thom. Every time one of these new series comes out - a discovery of witches, the new werewolf story with Sarah Michelle Gellar - I think of Buffy. Hate Whedon all you want but Buffy and Angel managed to do dark and light. You could understand why these people not only loved each other but liked being around each other. Maybe those shows weren't as dark as the new ones but they were fun. Characters had fun. They were funny. Why do none of the new shows know how to inject fun? Well some do - Doctor Who. A discovery of witches I think had whole episodes where no one smiled. What was my original point? Thom is funny. Mat is funny. Birgitta is funny. Where is the fun? And not the kind that kills characters and character relationships --Dandelion in the Witcher for example. He is one of Geralt's favorite people in the world. Geralt would do anything for him. They are good friends. Shock and awe is good but I want the fun too.

I had to give up watching when the Trolloc entered the pool of water, but your reviews will be perfect to keep me updated. Thanks for doing these!

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah the Trolloc/Nynaeve scene wasn't my favorite but I'm remaining hopeful for other parts of the series 😅

100% replacing the lightning scene in the door scene!

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

Ok I'm glad we agree here! It was definitely hinting at something!

@gilian2587

2 жыл бұрын

Naw, she just forgot to do proper maintenance on that ironwood door.

@syrusgreycloak484

2 жыл бұрын

I think it's replacing a couple of the scenes from the book - the lightning scene and the stable scene, but not all. Due to announced casting, some form of the Grinwell farm scene will still happen, and I think we'll still get some form of the Hiram Kinch scene, maybe without the actual character, and Thom along for the ride for these.

Thank you for doing these comparisons. I really enjoy them and they are helpful.

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

I really like your presentation of your vids. Informative, to the point. And the premise is great too!

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

You did a wonderful job with these videos. Thank you for your time and effort.

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

These videos are awesome, thanks for doing them!

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Thanks for these my memory of the books is sketchy at best so you are helping me remember. Love the series so far and will keeping watching it and theses videos.

I am one of the general audience and I love this show. Currently in episode 7. Thanks for posting these videos and helping us understand the book.

Perrin's axe to hammer story is phenomenal in the books. GO READ THE BOOKS People!!!!!!

I'm sooo with you about Thom except I would prefer him to be in the beginning and the overall narrator of the show giving context via prophecies of the dragon and other tales other than using Moraine for that. There is a back story to why he is so protective of the boys too.... is that just going to be thrown away? I suppose it could be shunted in there later but the foreshadowing just isn't there :(

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

I love Moiraine being the narrator but I'm super biased because Moiraine is one of my favorite book characters of all time lol. I really hate that Thom is this weird ruffian and not protective of the boys. The backstory of Rand reminding him of his nephew is always such a sweet moment. It's the one character you really believe is in their corner, and you can't say that about many people in the WOT.

@s0rd3z

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bookborn I re-watched ep 1-3 again last night. And I wonder if they are advancing Thom to the state of his character in Carhien when he meets back up with Rand. He is pretty down and out, thought the boys dead, doesn't wear his cloak yadda yadda. If ep 4 they run from a fade and hop on a boat with a certain character I can see them advancing Thom's arc and he gets less ruffian/jaded. One can hope ;)

I really like this episode. What this show is doing is reigniting my love for this world. I only read the first two books and now I’m planning to continue the series, because of the world but also the characters.

Thanks for doing these.. Its been a while since i read the book so this helps with my confusion!

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

Glad I could help!

Thank you as a fellow book reader I appreciate this very much. Well done!

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Omgggggg please put up your vid for episode 4...that was insanely gooood!!!!

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

It was a holiday here so I didn't get to watch it when I normally do! It should be up tonight. I've heard good things!

I've been loving it. I also love vaguely remembering stuff then coming here and you making me recollect better with things like the constant Dark Friends they encountered I had totally forgotten about watching the scene in the show. So as mildly familiar I was with the books. I'm still going in the show being surprised of the events happening.

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

I think that's probably a really good place to be in. It'll be familiar, but little things won't bug you like some fans!

I've given it a couple of days, and I'm at peace with the changes, mostly. I feel they were made due to budget/time constraints, the fact that they aged the Emond's Field characters (which I like), and to kind of condense scenes in the books. I'm seeing many of the things in first season so far being true to the spirit of the series if not scene for scene for Eye of the World. There are some cuts which hurt more than others, and changes with which I'm undecided, but overall I enjoyed the episodes we've gotten so far, and am excited for the rest of the season. I was pleasantly surprised at some of the scenes that were added that aren't in the books. The attack of Winter's Night, and seeing the Whitecloaks with the captured Aes Sedai for instance. Fans just have to remember that this won't be exactly the same as the books, and that's okay. As so many have said, we have to think of this as a new turning of the wheel. Similar, but different. As long as it stays true to the spirit of the series I'll be happy with it.

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

As I've been saying...it's the 3.5th age instead of the 3rd 😅

@RaifSeverence

2 жыл бұрын

If this WASNT an Amazon Original, then I'd agree with the budget and time constraints argument, it's Amazon, though, so budget isn't an issue and this has probably been in production for a while now.

so glad you say what you do about Thom

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

He's one of the few characters that is incredibly OFF for me in this series.

Love these honest open minded reviews of yours. Keep them coming. I am sure there will be more changes coming that won't make sense and we won't agree with. But I honestly believe that the team making the series has a the big picture in mind and they truely want to deliver a great series based on great books.

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

That's why I'm annoyed at so many fans already writing this series off as terrible. Give them the entire 8 episodes. Let's see what they are building. I think there's some good stuff in here. Sure, some changes are disturbing me, but it doesn't mean it can't come together.

I honestly think Rand and Egwene's more adult relationship Kinda messes up his later relationships. Also cropping out all of Rand's scenes where he is acting "Feverish" change a lot.

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

Well, we still might seem him feverish. If him breaking down the door is replacing the lightning scene, then he should get sick in the next episode. So, I really hope they still keep that in. Although, we don't have set up for it. In the novels, we've already had that talk between Nynaeve and Moiraine setting up the "one power" sickness or whatever. So when Rand gets sick it's a great clue. Here, we haven't done that yet...

@joelsephify

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bookborn I can only hope. So much subtlety was left out in favor of "derr or viewers are dumb here's something they can understand". At least that's how it feels.

Your take on Perrin, being upset for not acting instead of going berserk, makes way more sense. I'm not pleased with all the decisions they've made here, but as a Magicians superfan, I did eventually get into that show despite it being a clear AU, so I'm hoping this show comes into its own and I can enjoy it on its own merits as well.

I need the next one please! Subbed!

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

Coming tonight! It was a holiday here so I'm a ittle later!

I like the Mat-Thom chemistry. But some of these scenes were just so weird. Like Thom just tells him to go on and Rob the body instead of just returning him the money. I was like whuat !? Love the Darkfriend plot and Thom just ending her.

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

Ok Thom ending her was pretty sweet and did feel like Thom. But yes the grave robbing scene was bizarre. I REALLY feel like book Mat wouldn't have done that. They might be trying to show the dagger doing it, but I don't think they differentiated enough...

@Haxerous

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bookborn idk but that part didn't feel like the dagger to me. Him getting mad at Rand did definitely feel like it.

I used to be more... picky... about changing things from the books before putting them on screen... But over time I've learned that on-screen adaptations have some restrictions that books don't have to worry about. On the other hand, there are certain advantages that on-screen mediums have over books. Whenever a book gets an on-screen adaptation, it is certainly reasonable for book fans to be hyper critical... But I've also found that adaptations aren't bad simply because they have differences with the book (and, in a very few cases, some of the adaptations are significant improvements over their source material). Couple reasons that I think lead to an adaptation being bad are when the adaption creates holes in it's plot, or when the adaptation changes the original author's message and intent behind the story. And I think the TV show is doing a pretty good job so far as to being an adaptation. Also, I agree with the thought that the show is doing a better job at presenting the romantic relationships. For me, Nynaeve and Lan are two of my favorite characters in the books, but it really bothered me that I didn't understand where their romantic interest in each other came from, and I just had to accept that their romantic subplot just had a start that I totally missed. But in show? Oh man, I am appreciating the interactions between Lan and Nynaeve so far. And I'm also curious how the show is going to handle Perrin's character (Perrin probably being my personal favorite). I did a double-take in the show's scene where Perrin's pregnant wife is introduced, and in my head I was like "wait, if Perrin has a wife and child, why the heck would he leave Emond's Field? Something is suspect, and someone is probably going to die." But then he's the one who accidentally kills her, and that wasn't what I was expecting. ... And then Matt tries to console Perrin by giving him a dagger she made. And then Egwene tries to console Perrin by saying, 'It's not your fault she died.' It's hitting me a little hard. And that feeling when someone tries to comfort you by saying it's not your fault, while you in your own head know that it's your fault... Man... Yeah, I dunno. I definitely find some things strange, and there are a few scenes that I really want to nitpick, but I haven't found anything that I openly hate yet. I'm actually anxious for the next episode because I think I like this show.

Great video. I read the books as they were released and don't remember much and it is interesting to hear about the differences.

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

I appreciate these reviews. I started re-reading the series and I think you make some really good points of the probable reasons for differences. Having the combine pieces of the book to shorten things but keeping the overall concepts is important and done well I think. The Tom character bothers me some and it bothers me that Perrin doesn’t have an axe which is such an important internal battle for him. I think they are setting that up with the conversations he has with the Tinkers. Keep up the good work!

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I'm surprised he doesn't physically have the ax with him right now, but I think he wouldn't have taken it since he literally murdered his wife with it in this one, which is crazy disturbing. But, I reallly like how they are setting his plot line up with the Tinkers. Felt just like the book.

Until he said he was Tom, I had no idea who he was. That said, my girlfriend hates reading books, watched the first episode with me tonight and is hooked

@unholynexus

2 жыл бұрын

Same with my wife. She refused to read the books, barely keeps up with the Audio versions we’re listening to, but she was far less annoyed and way more into the show then I am. I’m doing my best to separate the show from the books but these were such a big part of my formative years its going to be difficult.

Your hoodie pull is the new braid tug

I agree for the "lightning scene" I think that is what they where going for, and I think the location with the river is Whitebridge but unsure.

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

I thought so too, but then Rand isn't sick in episode 4...I'm wondering if we'll get his "big reveal" not until the end, at the actual EOTW

5:22 Yes I absolutely think it is replacing the lightning scene. I think that they are trying to maybe give a more direct but subtle hint at certain things?

I haven't read the books yet but i really like the show and your comparisons are great to watch. I think they did a good job explaining the world building so far I'm hooked :)

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

Most people I know who haven't read the books are really enjoying the show, which makes me so happy!

I super agree with your assessments here. I was a bit bummed after episode 1 but was feeling much better by the third episode. Jury is still super out for me on the arc with Perrin...I really loved Perrin's arc in the books (I know other readers didn't connect with him as much as I do) and feel protective I suppose. Fingers crossed.

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

Perrin was my favorite of "the three" for a LONG time during my first read through. So I similarly want him to be portrayed right. Like you, I'm reserving judgement. It's not a disaster yet, but I want it to be handled right...

@gilian2587

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bookborn Perrin was my favorite character too. Up until the point that he meets "her".

@jarod1967

2 жыл бұрын

I believe that they gave Perrin a wife because they needed to show how he has to always be careful due to his size. Ever since he was young, he took extra care around others due to being bigger and stronger than everyone. Having him have a wife then kill her in that way really condenses that plot line. Plus it will continue to add to the further plots of the “changes” that he will go through.

@EhudJonathan

2 жыл бұрын

@@jarod1967 ew

@Argosh

2 жыл бұрын

@@jarod1967 it basically removes the plotline. How is there supposed to be growth in a character that started out as a stoic bad ass? You can't have hammer-time Perrin without having slow to the point of seeming like he's stupid Perrin. They're trying to have their cake and eat it too.

The reason they cut characters like Bayle Domon in TV shows is because it's hard to engage actors for small roles that would just appear less than once in a season. Imagine someone hiring you to shoot a 10 minute long scene, and telling you that they may need you for another 10 minutes in two years if the show is still running. So they either remove them completely, or compress their roles, so that it could be carried over with just one short time appearance.

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

I agree with you. I was sad but I honestly get it. There are SO many WoT characters. You’ve got to focus on the most important ones

I think they're cutting the lightning scene because that's an immense show of power and makes it pretty obvious that Rand is the dragon reborn and they wanna keep playing the girls can be the dragon too angle.

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

Hard agree. I think they've had to unfortunately remove a LOT of Rand's story to keep the Dragon secret, which I'm worried makes Rand blander than he even was in the books.

Another interesting video. Keep it up.

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Subscribed. Awesome channel

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

This is not an adaptation this is a rewrite of characters, lore, and storyline.

I read the books, but it was a decade ago, so i only remember specific things and the show does a pretty good job of portraying those things.

I read the books ~20 years ago, so I don't remember a lot. I'm kind of glad now 😆. I'm enjoying the series more as a result. Thanks for the videos.

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

I’m new subscriber and I loves these episodes of the wheel of time.

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and supporting!

First about Thom, he's been onscreen for all of seven minutes so far, and with the way the episode ended, I don't think his personality will end up being that far off, but I guess we'll have to see. Moving back to the Whitecloak scene that didn't happen in the book, seeing this scene puts to rest the Perrin being married and killing his wife for me. That group of Whitecloaks is led by Geofram Bornhald. After the encounter, they go west, Eamon Valda, who I don't ever recall being mentioned as a questioner but is here, and the questioners go south, and the party goes east. How is the equivalent Perrin scene showing his rage/beastiality and killing a person from the book supposed to happen? The Whitecloaks aren't going to be where they need to be, unless we run into yet another group of them running around Andor. Plus I don't know that I would have wanted to wait until episode 4 or 5 before we start to get some better depth on Perrin's character. So while I'm still on the fence with the whole fridging trope usage, I get relocating the overall event to episode 1 so that things farther down the line in the whole travel sequence can be shortened down for the show, and we get some better insight into Perrin from the get go.

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

Well reasoned! I still wish they went with someone else for Perrin to kill...maybe even his mentor (which would suck but avoid fridging). I feel like they just haven't dealt with the trauma of him killing his (pregnant??) wife. Even in these few episodes. HOWEVER, I do understand what you're saying. We needed to jumpstart all the back stories so people would care.

This show is amazing never even knew about the books! I’m so hooked and want to know more but don’t want any spoilers I can’t!!!!!

Rand and Mat meet Dana in the Four Kings, which is the town where the lightning scene happens in the books.

What you are doing is awesome. Great content. Don't know how I haven't found your channel till now. But breaking down the differences for the non readers is really cool. I'm fusturated about some of the changes and appreciate that fans that don't want to read the books could come here and hear about how it differs. And I know it's the wrong series but Journey before Destination

Never read the books, so I’m really enjoying the show so far!

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

I like to hear that!

After watching season 2 and starting a rewatch, I miss Thom, even this version of him.

The worst changed they made so far is to make Tam a wimp! In the book he is rocking trollocs like a blade master should. In the show he got his butt whooped by one trolloc with rand helping him!

Thanks for the videos. It's a nice refresher after not reading the books recently. I would personally prefer if you didn't avoid spoilers because then you could complete a lot of the thoughts that you just say you'll get to later.

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's hard because a lot of people who have never read the books are using these videos too! Maybe in future videos I'll have a spoiler section at the end that people can click off of.

I do think it is referring to the lightning scene, but could also be ta'veren shenanigans. I think it's gonna be clear if he falls sick.

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

The problem is the haven't set that up - like they didn't have the scenes talking to Nynaeve about her falling sick. That was such a good bit of foreshadowing in the book. They may still use it but they may not...

@Haxerous

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bookborn well they could show Egwene and Rand both falling sick. That could be interesting. They can also do thing from the books where he is high af like on Bayle Domon's boat (where he climbs the mast?) Or when he laughs hysterically at the whitecloaks in Baerlon. Although it might seem a bit too odd.

@tbakke125125

2 жыл бұрын

I think pretty strongly it is our lightning scene, there isn't enough time to set up another city scene like that as they will make it all the way to Eye of the World in ep 8

How has the fact that Rand has a Heron marked blade not been commented on by Lan or the Whitecloaks? Is it not something which catches a lot of attention in the books?

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

It's weird because they did so many close ups on the heron when Tam was fighting, I was like YAASS HERE WE GO. And now...nobody has mentioned it. I actually thought Rand left it behind for a moment until I saw it in another scene. It's weird.

I think they decided to give Thom some of Bayle's characteristics to make him more realistic. I love the new Thom, I think he fits the tone the show is going for. I can't picture a white haired acrobatic singer that flirts with 15 year old girls being not silly and out of place

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

I mean lets be real: Getting rid of Thom's inappropriate relationship is something I'm SO here for and I hope that remains. However...I still wish he had a little more levity. I didn't like him stealing Mat's money and keeping it. Just felt so un-Thom.

Breen's Spring is actually mentioned in the book by one of the farmer's they meet but we never see it. It's "as far west as the Queen's guard will patrol." I understand why they condensed the multiple village locations for time and budget to not create that many locations. Dana I felt did a fantastic job of sucker punching the audience with the Darkfriend reveal.

I loved Thom in this episode. When he first entered it was a bit jarring. I even made a comment to my girlfriend. But after he finished his song I was absolutely in love with him. I would die for him. For me he is absolutely Thom, but more like Thom from the end of book two. Doesn’t something tragic happen to him there? Maybe that already happened here. He wasn’t as over the top here as in book one but he still has that twinkle of humor and playfulness in him. About the purse he stole, I never thought he would keep it, was just a prank and a lesson at the same time.

It's my first time hearing about the books and so far the series has me hooked. I like the pacing and feel of the show.

I know Thom is different, but I love Alexandre Willaume so much that I'm looking the other way, lol.

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

lol I've totally been that way about actors before, I accept.

Thom Cobai- erm Merrilin was a bit of a downer- they could have at least have him juggle after the play as in "And now something to cheer you good folks up". Also white mustage and the colorful cloak missing... but its just ep 3 so maybe he will be more upbeat in the next town * hope *

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

Like I get maybe why they aged him down (make his romance later less weird lol) but still have him be...GLEEFUL. In some capacity.

Im personally really torn with the amount of changes with the show. I can understand that changes need to be made it really does change a lot of the main story and you lose a lot of context from events in the later books.

@kevlar1482

2 жыл бұрын

The thing is the majority of the changes have nothing to do with time or budget constraints. They are wholesale inventing scene after scene after scene while neglecting superior material from the books. Unfortunate.

Yeah I'm upset the most about Tom but also really upset about Matt's changes, his personality and his character development to become the leader of the red hand needed that younger and more mischievous aspect. Matt for sure is my favorite side character in the books. Just hope they don't ruin that for me

@Shadowkey392

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t know, I think it all works now he’s got the dagger.

@syrusgreycloak484

2 жыл бұрын

He still has that sly, semi-sarcastic wit, so I think we're still kinda good there.

With Perrin I felt like the death of his wife probably set up his later conflict of his animalistic nature of becoming something else. I also felt cinematically these first three episodes intentionally added scenes to feel more like lord of the rings fellowship movie. The ferry scene, going into shadar logoth( Moria), the lore about shadar logoth is reminisce of the betrayal of the ghost that can’t rest in the mountain of Lotr ( cursed). I feel they created a lot of similar concepts for the show because it worked for lotr.

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

Well I mean the first book gets criticized a lot for being too close to LOTR, so I thought they might be trying to get away from that. Or maybe they aren't and it's just similar because the book is actually similar lol. I'm not sure, but I thought it was interesting that they very clearly removed the "innocent" factor from our main characters.

@snerdterguson

2 жыл бұрын

Those weren't added scenes, they're in the books.

I enjoyed your analysis. I've read the books twice (and am currently in the middle of a third read-through) and I really enjoyed the first three episodes. A few things pissed me off like Matt's parents becoming bad parents, the characters using real-world curses instead of randland curses, but I'm still optimistic. And yeah, when I saw Thom's face with no dropping mustaches I was also disappointed. I just hope the writers have thought through the implications of the changes they've made. Changing Matt's parents changes the whole moral character of the Two Rivers - because the town allows their bad behavior. Burning an Aes Sedai alive without her being blindfolded changes the rules of channeling, because she should be able to free herself. And the dark friend in episode 3 doesn't talk about the dark one's promise of immortality, but about his desire to break the wheel. Which means it'll be harder to justify how widespread dark friends are in this world.

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Lots of sloppy details that may come back to bite them later. But...I'm still sort of hopeful haha. I agree that Mat is probably the worst change (other than Thom). He needs to be Trickster, and I hate that his mom is SO mean to him. That gives him so much more baggage.

I'm feeling better after seeing it, I expected it to be much more YA as I thought the books were i.e. your observations on the book relationships.. Much better production quality than expected to. Once again I expected a WG TV level effort.. Gorgeous visually at times...

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I think "adulting it up" a bit was a good choice, especially with how they've weaved in the stories and haven't gone too overboard. I'm very eager to keep watching.

@snerdterguson

2 жыл бұрын

Not perfect by a longshot, but much better than the hatchet job that was Legend of the Seeker. I read sword of truth before Wheel, so Richard and Kahlan were the first fantasy characters I knew of who were written like actual adults. Then the show came out and it was written for 14 year olds. This one at least is less child friendly

What I liked the most about the show was the feeling they start in the middle of nowhere and move towards bigger things. Since we can't get the thoughts of the kids gaping over towns and ruins the visuals really helps.

Also Nynaeve and Lan were awesome. Great banter.

soon as i saw that cloak; i knew that would be in the books. -JC

I enjoy your content and vantage balancing both perspectives as a fan/reader of the books and watching the Amazon mini-series. I never read any Tolkien growing up and my introduction to fantasy was the WoT by a work colleague. I can recall a verbal outburst when the trollocs attacked the Al'Thor farm. It was shame that scene wasn't realized on the silver screen as portrayed in the books. The relationship and the revelations of the conversation between Rand and his father trying to get to the village after the attack is foundational the rest of the story, but for obvious reasons they were not able to include any of that. I am also not a fan of the 'adult' take Amazon has chosen to employ here. While I accept Amazon at its core is a business and sees the marketing valuing of appealing to as wide a fan base as possible, one of the off putting elements to GoT for example was the graphic sexual nature, yet WoT was much more pure and adolescent, without being childish like the Hobbit was. While I suppose implied or at least reasoned by the reader, intimate male and female relationships between Warders and Aes Sedai were not a topic of defining who they are and how they needed to respond to the world. It is also disappointing the need to represent different sexual appetites too as this was not an element of any prominence in the WoT. I don't feel it needed to be in Amazon's version either, if the intent was to portray the story and hold true to the values and ideas told by Robert Jordan - but that's Hollywood and the industry as a whole; impossible to separate entertainment from politics. The protestations of some 'book fans' complaining about the TV series seems ill placed. The books are not written as a screenplay and by Robert Jordan's own admission were not suitable for the silver screen. So why the vitriol? Doesn't make sense. Overall I think Amazon have done a wonderful job creating the world of Robert Jordan and have adapted the story moderately well - the notable exceptions being the sexual politics, story arch intended to create mystery which only serves to annoy book fans and how to value the power of women other than at the expense of lesser men. Cast and writing are very well done. Moiraine, Egwene and Nynaeve are great women characters to get behind. Matt so far is the most engaging male Edmonds 5. I agree that the Thom in the book is - at least to this point - far more likeable than the TV one, yet there is an undeniable draw to the TV iteration that is compelling and captivating. Lan is disappointing though. It is refreshing to have a story that portrays powerful, capable women, with the story line centred around their control and vision. What is a let down though is they have to belittle and manipulate men to achieve that - ultimately that is not flattering. Robert Jordan's main theme throughout WoT and essential to its ending is the harmony and balance that unites the male and female aspects of life. Different yet equally important and one without the other can not achieve the best outcome. Up to episode 4 female dominance comes at the expense of male failure.

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

I completely agree that we have an issue with the success of Game of Thrones. Now *everything* seems to have to match it in tone or "it won't be successful". I personally never watched GOT because I just don't enjoy that sort of graphic stuff, not my thing. So, it increasingly makes me nervous that that is the precedent set for something to be successful. And like...I don't know. It may be true. It may be that the general populace isn't interested in fantasy unless it's an extreme, dark, sexualized version. That would make me sad, and I hope it's not true, but I do think some show runners think it is. "female dominance comes at the expense of male failure" is something I see a lot in media. Now, don't get me wrong, I care a LOT about how women are portrayed in media and have talked about it extensively on my channel. Most people call me a raging feminist 🤷‍♀️ But this new trend, which you nailed with your quote, is just annoying. That's not what women want in our portrayals! Women don't need men to be weak for women to be strong. It's something that happens a lot, and it's lazy feminism, it's lazy good-character writing. (The best example I saw this in is the comparison between the movies Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel. In WW, men and women both succeeded at what they were good at. Diana being strong didn't negate other's strengths. In CM, every man had to be an oppressor or incompetent to showcase Captain Marvel. That...isn't what a strong female character is.) That being said, I don't feel like i've seen it too much in this show yet. Rand, Mat, and Perrin have all been shown to be strong, as well as Lan.

@saratogalion3680

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bookborn Well said, I accept that many in the world connect to stories with the flavour of violence and sex, and it is clearly marketable; Wheel of Time didn't connect to its audience using or relying on those tones. Not that those things didn't transpire in the books, the engagement to the story wasn't that platform and that's what I hope the show runners haven't exploited to gain a greater audience. Imagine if (the made up for film) Tauriel and Kili did the nasty on screen during one of the Hobbit films - just wouldn't fit the tone of what the story was about. But that was an acceptable example of taking literary license and promoting an element of romance to increase audience capture, even if it never existed in the canon of book writing. Amazon though are trying to skirt the 'mature' audience, much like the compulsory Warder butt scene. Same relationship would have been accomplished if they were already both in the bath. And Rand and Egwene bit - just not the tone I hope the show continues to expand upon. The Aes Sedai are dynamic, capable and powerful women - well most in the books are. What I struggle with is in this modern world, if we are going to justify mature themes that weren't forefront in the books using the reason that this is the way the world today connects with things, then make an effort to showcase women like many dynamic women are today. A stupid, weak or cowardly man doesn't by de facto make a women strong or better. Because I don't want to be a hypocrite and only offer criticism without a solution or idea...how about when Nynaeve is creating the poultice for Moiraine and Lan is watching, she could for example, teach/demonstrate what she was doing and why, and share her experience and capability of a skill she has acquired. Instead all she communicated was "this will hurt"...dumb dumb man not able to understand.... Rand, Matt and Perrin have been great, but I think this has mostly been to their skills as actors rather than how the story is developing with them. Matt is the only character at the moment with any identity. I get the purpose behind Rand being bland at the moment, but surely if the shows intent is to keep the audience guessing, isn't there going to be a massive backlash once the real Dragon Reborn is revealed? Will this not create a wave of sexism criticism all over? This element and the pacing are the two main issues they have to start getting right. The balance and harmony between female and male, and how ultimately they complement each other. And the sheer amount of detail in the books. Trying to take license and present slightly different versions of story arch's than the books (some of which is necessary) if not done correctly may be problematic later. I really enjoy the show though having said that. keep up the great work with your videos!

I haven’t read the books but was told about the series. The first episode felt VERY cut and paste from Lord of the Rings (as a super fan of LoTR), but the production quality and acting and casting was good, so i decided to give it a go. I like it a lot so far. Interesting to learn more about the lore and background from book fans.

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

The first book often gets compared a lot to LOTR. There are a lot of similar elements. After book one, it diverges a lot. But yes, the comparisons are totally there.

We also havent seen Perrin take his axe from Emons field and tbf he did say later that if he hadnt left at the age they did he would have married lelia so she did exist just not in the context that we see her now. I think these changes make you invested in Mat and Perrin which is needed as the dragon can be any of them at this point. Also your reviews are great, i too am on the fence with Thom but as he was my favourite character for so long i was just glad to see he was not cut or changed to radically.

OK book readers here’s something to think about! I’ve never heard of the Wheel of Time until the Amazon series. It made me fall in love with the Wheel of Time. Now I am reading the books and I love both. Thank you Amazon for producing WOT so I could be introduced to this great book series.

The relationship between Parrin and the wolves, and how the wolf magic worked, the named wolf characters, and the dialogue between Parrin and the wolves was my favorite part of book one. And they left it out completely :(. Tom was my second favorite part and they left him out and replaced him with a washed up x-grunge band singer with the same name.

I've said in a few other videos and threads, I think reserving judgement is the best idea, need to at least have the full s1 to understand and rate, both extremes of praising everything or hating everything are wrong. Now so far I was annoyed after mainly the first 10 mins of episode 1 and I'm truly hopeful after the last 10 mins of episode 3 and re-watching them. I still have a ton of complains but over all I think it really is just 2 major ones. Rumors of 4 Ta'veren is impossible, Rumors of 1 would be bad enough, let alone 4, not even going to think about the 4th for now, it's just not possible to have rumors. And the Boy or a Girl, cause that simply destroys the lore of Saidin and Saidar, to the point of it being more than a different turn but a different world. It's 2 huge ones in my mind that most people seem to ignore. But let's give the benefit of the doubt and follow along, like Mat so eloquently said in episode 2 "Don't be an ass" lets all wait and see and hopefully we all will end up buying the changes and loving it.

It's been awhile since I read the books and this is a great refresher on it! Thom is a huge change that I am surprised about. I am interested to see how he is with Moraine when they meet up later. We need to see more for me to say if the change is working for how he fits in the show. Overall I like the changes, they can't faithfully adapt every detail from the whole series so changing things to streamline it makes sense. I think they are also hinting at how a woman channeling too much of the power can be a danger like in the story Moraine was telling, so they could spin it that way to say the Dragon reborn as a woman could be a danger and give more importance to the women as possibilities as the Dragon reborn. I think it has a good start and am looking forward to more

I could be wrong but i think they gave perrin the conflict with killing his wife so that he had reason to be more cautious about decisions. Perrin was always slow to act, thought deeply and was a gentle giant. fearful his blacksmiths hands could do unintentional damage. As we dont have the same amount of time with the characters and have lost the internal monologue, this change will give that character trait more weight for those non book readers. So yeah the show went with the trope of using a female characters death to develop the male character but i think it works... Also I think his wife was a darkfriend. She had a sadness and you could argue that this is because of the guilt she felt for betraying him / the village knowing the trollocs were coming... Also, she appeared to be attacking perrin with the hammer. but it was left vague enough to go either way - however the nail in the coffin for me was the wolf dream... the wolves protect Perrin in the dream world and having the wolf (Hopper) do what its doing could be seen as the first step in protecting perrin from his dreams/ guilt and in a way opens it up for Perrin to be able to forgive himself for what he done... maybe

@syrusgreycloak484

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not entirely bought into the darkfriend theory, but I do see how people are leaning that way. Perrin's does have an event similar to that in the books - all they did was move it to episode 1, and further scenes show that how the event played out in the books can't happen at this point without changing characters around because they won't be in the right spot geographically (i.e. Geofram Bornhald).

BookBorn: MAJOR SPOILER ALERT: You wondered about the foretelling of the door scene. I'll try to be vague to protect the uninitiated. Here's the hint. It looked to me that in the episode where they are traveling Moraine gave the horses healing and energy, but she didn't give it to all of the horses... the last horse she walks way from without sustaining it. The book mentions this too. All of the story architecture is in place. This particular archetype is the least fleshed out compared to the other archetypes. But it's there.

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I wish they would've called more attention to that. Like...only book readers are going to notice that. I doubt ANYONE else who watched the show did. It's like they are SO afraid to mention anything around Rand that they are over-doing it and now he doesn't get anything

I hate that Tom robs Matt and says “that’s a lesson for you.” Tom does teach them lessons! He’s supposed to teach them how to be gleemen with acrobatics and juggling, how to play the flute and sing the songs. Not… whatever bullshit lesson that was supposed to be.

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

Thom would steal Mat's purse, laugh, then give it right back and lecture him on being careful or whatever. I hated that scene too. NOT MY THOM lol

I've read a few of the books, but it was a very long time ago, so I barely remember any of it. The only thing that was weird to me was in the first episode how Moiraine was so blatantly obvious about her being an Aes Sedai. Plus, she seemed a bit arrogant or something. So yeah, I'd change a few things about the first episode

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, that really threw me off too. And...I'm not sure why they changed it. It didn't add anything, you know? And was very out of character for Moiraine (even when just comparing with her character the rest of the show!)

I love your recaps! since its been about ~20ish years since i read the first books its all really murky, but it has the advantage that im not jarred by differences like tom merilin Of course hes way different but hes looking rough, has blades and is cool works for me :) (i didnt really expect the patchwork look and artistic courting jester style) what im wondering is i and/or especially non fantasy people would enjoy the show on its own... for me its a nostalgia remembrence trip so far.

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

All of the people I know who haven't read the books but are watching the show are really enjoying it. So, that makes me super hopeful for its success!

Major braid-tugging scene with Nynaeve at the beginning.

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

Did she actually tug it??? I only saw her flip it over her shoulder angrily!

I’m only halfway through book 2, but so far I’m very dissatisfied with the show. While I was reading book 1 I could see exactly how to adapt it into a tv show, and what changes had to be made. So far almost all the changes seem unnecessary, and don’t make a ton of sense to me. I’ll keep watching, and hopefully it gets better, but at the moment I’m pretty disappointed. Glad you are liking it though! -T

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

I'm cautiously liking it. The first episode was rough for me lol. I think they made some changes that simply don't make sense. But..I'm willing to see it out.

@gilian2587

2 жыл бұрын

When in a desert, any oasis will have to do.

@syrusgreycloak484

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's not the approach I envisioned either, but looking at it big picture, it's making sense to me. First off, the showrunner did say they are trying to keep the identity of the Dragon Reborn hidden as long as possible for non-book readers to keep them guessing, hence the "boy or girl" references and lots of missing clues that by this point in the story have basically all but outright confirmed who the Dragon Reborn is. I don't find it that important to know who it is right from the beginning, and it looks like the end of ep.3 might be starting the dropping of subtle hints. From the beginning in the book to where they introduced Thom in the show, did he really contribute that much? Not really. His role really developed once the party split up, and so now he's there. Baerlon and Min missing makes sense when you don't want the clues as to who the DR is too early. Nothing else really important happened there, and Min can pop up elsewhere and still contribute exactly what her character is supposed to. Perrin's little episode happens in book 1 to someone else in a different location, so I'm not too upset about that. Mat's changes are sitting too well with me at the moment, but we've got a long way to go, and I've mostly forgotten it by now. The opening scene of ep 1, iirc, is slightly mentioned later in book 1, and then referred to again in book 4. With the way it happened, it may have fit into the prequel trilogy that New Spring was supposed to be part of. Chronologically it makes sense. Maybe RJ had left some notes detailing the characters other than the male being chased that were in the scene, but I think it was plausible artistic license. I won't spoil it for you though.

@gilian2587

2 жыл бұрын

@@syrusgreycloak484 I really liked Mat's father in the books. He was one of my favorite characters from the Two Rivers. I mourn what they did to him in the show.

They replace the lightning scene in the books with Rand knocking down a door (hilarious), this is the Dragon Reborn, meanwhile, to put this into perspective in later episodes we have Nynaeve being able to hold off Manchin Shin, performing mass healing and linked with Egwene (and a couple of Aes Sedai), taking on the entire Trolloc horde at Tarwins Gap! Anyway, back to this episode. Rand and Matt, being the big 6+ foot men they are, run away from a smaller female barmaid! and this is the scene they choose to depict the many pages of the two getting harassed by darkfriends on their way to Caemlyn (white tower in this show). This was the scene they went with, and it's not ridiculous or stupid (Bookborn didn't seem to have any issue with it, because you know girl power! I will say Not Tom, was one of the few male characters that does anything useful in the show and isn't stupid or cowardice. Bookborn sees no problem with this adaptation, because hey when a man kills his own wife and is over her in less than a week, well nothing more I can say really

i think every (or nearly) book fan who is angered by this show understands they will never see a 1:1 perfect portrayal. that said, there are things that are understandable changes ie: condensing story to fit time, casting (especially hard to get a huge number of main characters to be similar enough to pass as menetherin bloodline) choices, altering non-relevant (or mildly relevant) plotpoints to fit timeline/pacing of a broadcast show. things that are not, ever understandable are rewriting major history of the source, inserting characters that never existed, major changes to source that are completely unnecessary. just look at what they did to the show Titans.. its about the same as far as loyalty to the source material.

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, this is it. Honestly, there are a lot of changes that make a lot of sense to me in this adaptation, and ones I've actually really enjoyed. Others...I'm struggling to see the point of lol

Honestly, I never wanted a one for one translation. But the fact is, this could have been WAY better and didn't require all the cuts and changes they've been making. We know this because there's been a previous example of this being done right: Game of Thrones. (At least until the final seasons.) A Song of Ice and Fire is a sprawling epic across continents. And yet somehow, Seasons 1-4 (and maybe 5-6) of Game of Thrones were REALLY well done. And they weren't a carbon copy; changes were made, but all while maintaining the heart of the story, etc. Somehow, Benioff and Weiss pulled off several seasons of arguably great adaptation while maintaining the heart of the settings, characters, and narrative of the source material. So considering Judkins had Amazon money and supposedly had a crazy budget, there's no excuse. **Unless he was misrepresenting his limitations, which I consider likely.**

As someone who's read only a part of book 1 (I stopped when they arrived at Shadar Logoth), I gotta say I'm loving the show. I stopped at that point in the first book because I was tired of characters being bland, so the character treatment in the tv show is so up my alley. Again, I don't know what's going to happen, but I liked the things done to Matt and Perrin, I think it made their characters more flashed out from the beginning. I don't know how it fits/doesn't fit with the future events of the book, but so far, I'm liking it (other than the fact that a female character had to die to give some depth to a male character). I was a bit on the fence in the first episode, it felt a bit clunky and awkward at times, but, in my opinion, it just keeps getting better and better.

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

The characters get way more fleshed out later in the series in a way I really like. The show removes the need for the characters to grow up, which I don't LOVE because it leads to less character growth, but I completely understand the decision and figure it'll be more popular with audiences. I think Mat's the only one that's really changed his personality. He needs more light-heartedness.

I get most of the changes. The reason it took so long to get this show is because the book isn’t a good direct translation to screen. And I started feeling pretty good after episode 3. Mat is my favorite character by far, and I like that he has gotten some good burn before the change happens unlike in the books. BUT, then I watched the animated short and they did the story of Jearom and the farmer with the quarterstaff…and now I’m super worried they are going to cut one of the most iconic scenes of the entire series! There are just so many changes that I worry how large of a change to one of the main characters they are willing to make. The excitement gets mixed with dread as I worry they are going to screw something up lol.

The pacing in some of these episodes seems too fast. I think the time in the two rivers should have stretched more. I'm a bit concerned the pacing isn't allowing proper character development for people who haven't read any of WoT. I would have liked Thom to have been introduced in the Two Rivers. I didn't like the "four" Ta'veren or Perrin's wife or beard changes. I would have liked the male actors to look a bit younger and Nynaeve to be a little bit older. I would have liked to have seen Mordeth. Also, Moiraine didn't give out the coins. I can't wait to see Loial. I hope the season finishes strong.

@Aviv704

2 жыл бұрын

Perrin's wife is not very thoght out (another woman in the fridge). But I think Egwene as a Ta'veren make her latter plot more beliveable

@charliedulin

2 жыл бұрын

5 Taveren😒

If someone were to actually make a recreation of WoT truly faithful to every point in the books, the best way to do it would be as an anime for all the filler the books have in them 😅 Fr though, I know I’d watch it

spoiler I think they're putting Thom in right after his nephew death (I think it was a nephew in the book), so he's probably more melancholy than usual. and that makes the music he played more personal.

@gilian2587

2 жыл бұрын

That would be interesting. I wonder if we've seen him already?

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

I like this theory and maybe it would forgive some things for me. I still won't forgive him stealing Mat's money and not giving it back lol

200% agree with all your conflicting feelings about the show in general, especially about all the changes. What bummed me more, to be honest, was the really cheap CGI for the trolloks, so fake and poorly executed. The general direction was a big nope for me too, blocking especially and some really cheap camera movements. I'll keep watching, but I'm keeping my expectations low. Great video anyways 💚💚💚

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

weirdly I liked the trollocs lol! But I didn't like how they showed the weaving of the one power. It looked cheap AND in the book you can't see it anyway, so why bother doing it??

@theabelmontero

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bookborn I agree, if they were going for the spectacle with the weaving, then better go big and colorful and maybe scary. The trolloks look good when they're done with practical effects/makeup, but long and group shots with CGI are 🥶🥶🥶

You were moved! Cold hearted non fan of romance Bookborn was moved! Busted! I was moved by it too but I'm sappy lol Honestly I loved all the changes. Slightly better pay would have made this 10/10 for me. Yes, even Thom. But I only read book 1 so what do I know. Also grats! 7k!!!!!

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

I still need three more people to 7k 🙃 The Thom change really bothers me and I'm not even that attached to the character in the book lol. It just completely changes the dynamic which is what's annoying me. And yes, my little heartless heart was moved. I shouldn't have told anyone!

@urigatt6815

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bookborn i just realized autocorrect changed 'ost' to 'pay'. Wtf. Anyway, I think the 'not returning the money' thing will pay off in later chaps. Looking forward to see that. Haha I thought you'll see the comment a bit later 🤭 but hey! Damn close!

They should have introduced Tom in ep 1 he’s supposed to be a knowledgeable and trusted character.

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I agreed at first with the later intro, but now that he's literally gone after like ...10 min of screen time, I'm scratching my head at that choice.

I pretty much agree with your take on everything so far dude lol - Except for Thom, I actually love this dirty jagged fella - and I think he was kinda necessary to be this way considering the other changes they have made to Mat for example (character wise). Like i'm feeling as if the plot is going to need Mat to connect to Thom and as a result, with the Mat backstory choices they made, this more shifty Thom was required. We'll see but I think the actor is nailing his part either way. Ummmmmmmmmmm Layla i'm on the is a DF train, I think that would explain a whole heap of stuff. I love the casting, I'm reserving judgement on some stuff too but all in all i'm enjoying the different take on some stuff, kinda keeps it fresh for an old jaded reader :-)

Like always, classy. I am definitely going to stay away from Twitter and it’s sniveling. As you might remember, I am new to WoT. I have not read the books, am aware of the 3 book “slog”, and know that WoT is huge in the Fantasy community. With that said, I loved it. It actually is making me reconsider my previous stance of not wanting to read the books. I will definitely continue watching and I am really digging Moiraine and Lan. I actually think it was a better start than The Witcher and the whole visual/cinematography is better.

@Bookborn

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, honestly, these are the times being in online book communities can suck. It's so fun to fan with everyone, but overly negative attitudes and critiquing before the show has a chance - I don't love it. I'm trying to remain hopeful and I'll give it an entire season before I pass judgement, you know?