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Dave never expressed support for the Houthis, though. I would understand the claim about whataboutism if he did, but he precisely said he doesn't support them nor the way they treat their people, while also restating that the yemenis have been mistreated for quite a longer time than just after the rise of houthis

@DiogoSilva-qn8qo

Ай бұрын

Not that she's wrong, but she's missing Dave's point, while thinking he's saying something different

@Scoots1994

Ай бұрын

Right. It wasn't whataboutism at all. People like to use that word and "strawman" and all they are doing is make it clear that they don't know what the words mean.

@ethangroat8333

Ай бұрын

​@@Scoots1994 or making it clear that they don't understand the other person's point.

@ForsakenXennial

Ай бұрын

Wrong, he conflated the yemenis with the houthis. US backed Saudi Arabia went in 8 years ago to restore President Abd-Rabbu Mansour Hadi’s government. Dave says this in a discussion about a Iran isreal conflict, but why?

@DiogoSilva-qn8qo

Ай бұрын

@@ForsakenXennial did you watch the whole Piers Morgan segment? He's just addressing every party possibly involved in the conflict at this moment, and he didn't "conflate" anything, the Houthis are Yemeni like the KKK are American, him merely making that observation isn't him conflating the people of the country with a mercenary militia. That and in the short clip Reason showed, he specifically said he doesn't support the Houthis nor the way they treat the Yemeni people

Dave Smith is a national treasure

@PaulHenning84

Ай бұрын

lmao fuck Dave he looks like Rich Voss and is half as funny as Rich. Maybe Dave should just stick to doing coke with Louis Gomez and being a fucking hack open micer.

@KryMoore

Ай бұрын

Spelled grifter wrong.

@fritznovak4482

17 күн бұрын

HAHAHAHA Bro?? The Iraq war is over, and Ron Paul is never going to be president. Way to show your age 😂

Her whole argument is a strawman fallacy. Dave never said that the houthis were heroes nor does he support them. Just becase "some people do" doesnt mean you can attack him.

@user-qr7xk4fz7t

Ай бұрын

100%! Dave has also been defending the Yemeni people for the last 5+ years during the time when Saudi Arabia was bombing the S out of the country!

@sunnymitra6372

28 күн бұрын

He simply ignored the Voices of Yemini people who criticised the Houthi Regime and leading the country to a Dead End.

@JKweez

14 күн бұрын

What did he say then?

@7GabriEl7FM7

9 күн бұрын

⁠@@sunnymitra6372 I said the same thing about this dave dude when I watched this video

Dave was a saint for going on that panel with those screeching harpies

You don't get to make a mess of someone else's home and then walk away saying, "I don't want to be involved in other people's problems."

Elica got cooked

@PaulHenning84

Ай бұрын

lmao fuck Dave he looks like Rich Voss and is half as funny as Rich. Maybe Dave should just stick to doing coke with Louis Gomez and being a fucking hack open micer.

@svennielsen633

28 күн бұрын

Elica clearly won the argument because she had the facts on her side! I can CONFIRM everything that she says. I have been following the development in Iran ever since 1979. What we in the West should have done is to SUPPORT THE OPPOSITION TO THE REGIME, ESPECIALLY THE WOMEN'S FIGHT. But we let them down. Shame on EU, UK and US!

America doesn't need to solve the world's problems, we need to solve our own and be an example to the world. We don't need to spend our money and blood fighting other nations battles.

@ForsakenXennial

Ай бұрын

America needs to keep its position as the global monetary hegemony. Keeping our alliances in power is key. People need to grow up. Americans whining while living in the lap of luxury is akin to thunberg flying on jets and whining about the climate

@JackVz

Ай бұрын

@@ForsakenXennial America doesn't need the world. We don't get our power from the world. If USD stopped being the world reserve currency Americans would be better off.

This is like a fantasy come true. Get your ass handed to you in a debate. Then get all the time in the world to rethink it. Come back in a different format and say "what I meant to say...": The sin being is that she still can't articulate an argument.

@Notsram77

Ай бұрын

Yeah, when asked about the debate, she definitely shouldn't talk about it, or expand on the ideas further in any way. Sure.

@jgelt

Ай бұрын

@@Notsram77 In the English language what I said above is interpreted as "she was given a second chance and botched it." I have no issue with the second chance.

@bigz5262

Ай бұрын

@@Notsram77 you didn’t read the whole comment

In one breath she says How can you support the houthis they've been so mean to the yemeni people. In the next breath she calls for sanctions upon the people of Iran.

Shouts whataboutism, cries racism, uses the British "up-talk" accent, and repeats phrases over and over rather than making an actual argument.

@EnwardSnowman

Ай бұрын

Also uses livestream play-back image as a mirror, can't stop looking at herself, and playing with her hair. Self-absorbed behavior

@LOhAon-eo2pc

2 күн бұрын

Thank You. Having just come from Watching three different videos made by Dr. Phil interviewing this Iranian Wannabe English high claim in accent…While she literally is using similar arguments to extract praise. The accent from a non English woman is really “wannabe” and frankly, I believe the wElica is suffering so kind of either delay psd or some such anguish perhaps related to her family. He hand waving around frantically, coupled with her blinking her eyes rapidly, and,those awful bling false black nails, is she trying for a part in that children comedy “the monster?”. But, seriously, Elica has a lot of problems, not least of all her inability to respectfully listen to other speakers. In the three videos with Dr. Phil, it felt a little like he had prepared answers for every question! So much stated… but was she relevant! Perhaps she would take lessons on listening and sing respectful to fellow panel members.

Has the Persian lady had lip surgery?

She's against a 15-year temporary restriction on Iranian nuclearization that was in the Iranian deal, But something's telling me she didn't object to the temporary ceasefire that Israel offered in exchange for the hostages. But maybe that's just whataboutism

@nunereclipsereborn

13 күн бұрын

@aliadee6859 There's a difference!!! There's an active war between Israel & Hamas resulting in among worst humanitarian catastrophes plus civilian casualities!!!

@aliadeeb6859

13 күн бұрын

@@nunereclipsereborn I know. let me be more clear. The humanitarian crisis in the gaza strip will continue after a few weeks under the temporary ceasefire that she supports. At the same time, he's also against temporary denuclearization for the same reason that I would want permanent ceasefire instead of a temporary one, which is that the thing you don't want to happen continues, it just continues a little later.

@nunereclipsereborn

13 күн бұрын

@@aliadeeb6859 Iran is the one of the culprits that help funded Hamas' attack on Israel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don’t understand her argument. I think she got backed into a corner and she’s doubling down for no reason. The real question should be are these people good or bad and How are we influencing things. I feel like Dave kept focus and she is trying to win an argument.

@ForsakenXennial

Ай бұрын

Her argument is that the discussion was about iran/isreal. That bringing up Yemens civil war with the houthis is not the topic of discussion.

Elica is incorrect.

@MiscMitz

Ай бұрын

Couldn't even finish the video while she was talking... Sorry Reason

@tariizm1500

Ай бұрын

how she incorrect?

@MiscMitz

Ай бұрын

He was attempting to give context. And when she saw her argument was "losing" she started talking louder and over him...

@tariizm1500

Ай бұрын

@@MiscMitz that is not being incorrect tho as a middle eastern i agree with her

@itssteve6018

27 күн бұрын

​@tariizm1500 she failed to understand the point Dave was making. That the Houthis treatment of Yemenis is a far, far, more insignificant problem than the fact that the US and Saudi bombed the shit out of Yemen and created the mass death and starvation that resulted in a power vacuum which created the Houthis.

Dave was right about explaining whataboutism, and Elica Le Bon says don't interrupt but she interrupted others most of the time 😂

Elica is completely out of her depth here. Likewise her discourse on Pal/Isr is fraught with misinformation, bias and propaganda. Why she continues to be platformed is something we need to be asking.

Is this John Bolton's daughter?

When did Dave Smith ever say the houthis were hero? When did he ever say that they were right? All he's ever said is they shouldn't be genocided. This chic is nuts

*Screams and dominates conversation like a hysterical banshee Me, an intellectual: Yes, this is what well reasoned argument sounds like *Puffs on pipe

There are very few people that want to have serious conversations. Even fewer in the media. I felt bad for Dave in that interview but he did great as usual.

Dave pointed out hypocrisy...and it triggered the hypocrite

It’s taking two podcasts and several people talking about Dave’s point for her to not even remotely get it. you can’t talk to these kind of people.

Big words like "logical fallacy", "their premise", "deflection", and "contradiction". She is using all these words wrong and she's thinks she made some kind of big point but she's just talking gibberish. Dave handed it to her, cry me a river Elica.

Reason's become buzzfeed

@DiogoSilva-qn8qo

Ай бұрын

Every time they drop a video like this, I get more disappointed thinking about what they once were

@dtskicks

Ай бұрын

They legit hate Dave Smith, and will take any avenue to smear him.

@bigz5262

Ай бұрын

@@dtskicks I don’t think all of them hate Dave but some of the higher ups definitely do. When Dave was on this podcast last time Liz said every time she talks to Dave he turns her more an-cap

@DiogoSilva-qn8qo

Ай бұрын

@@bigz5262 every time he goes on Reason it always seems like he's introducing them to libertarianism for the first time lmao

@bigz5262

Ай бұрын

@@DiogoSilva-qn8qo lol that’s honestly a perfect way to describe it

Maybe I'm just stupid, but I feel like Elica is just not very clear with her points. But I do think Dave Smith sorta does deflect or otherwise not listen or address the other person's point a lot.

She's a child.... Reason quality is in free fall

"Did you know that every sanction regime ends just days before a regime change" is quite the argument from Elica. She probably thinks that if we just stayed in Afghanistan for a little while longer than the Taliban wouldn't have retaken the country.

Elica is completely missing the whole point of support and it's really annoying and it is what Dave was talking about in the original video. You could not like someone (Hamas, Houthi's etc.) but like something they do. 10:36 IT IS. They are products of the interventions!!! Of course there would be evil or whatever but not to the point where forces would come from it like these. 11:30 Well Done Zach. 12:19 Ahhhh so her true colors shows and she just ends up waffling the whole time. This woman is a neo-con. 17:40 ridiculous how she speaks, well done Liz in the challenges, you put her in her place. This woman doesn't know what the hell she is talking about and just because she's "ethnically" Iranian, she gets a platform at this moment in history.

@valcaron

Ай бұрын

"You're a neo-con!" is as much an argument as "You're a racist!"

@Iammram

Ай бұрын

@@valcaron I broke down why she is one before stating it. She's indirectly advocating for wars and sanctions to make people, or countries, to bend to the west's will because "we know better" and what is better for them than they do.

@ForsakenXennial

Ай бұрын

​@@IammramShe said the Iranian people would benefit from sanctions. That instead the west has strengthened, enriched, and emboldened the world's number 1 sponsor of terror.

@_DiveBarDiva_

Ай бұрын

I love this comment and how you broke it down in time stamps. It made me laugh

@ForsakenXennial

Ай бұрын

@@Iammram That isn't what "neo-cons" do. Neo-cons procure global resources and leverage so their children can get fat and project western values on ancient cultures.

I have a feeling elica is a control freak.

@jaialaiwarrior

Ай бұрын

Well she'd like to be able to control what she can wear without the ayatollah having her shot for it if that's what you mean.

Who is this Elica woman and why is anyone listening to her? 🤷🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️ Sounds likes she just likes the sound of her voice

@bigz5262

Ай бұрын

She’s an Iranian Zionist

@MrWhipple42

Ай бұрын

She's big on TikTok, which says a lot about how seriously we should take her.

@travismcnasty4239

Ай бұрын

I don't know about the sound of her voice, but I think she's hot in that LA kinda way. I don't take her seriously but I would take her sensually.

@jaialaiwarrior

Ай бұрын

Because she'd like to get her country back from people like you who are cool with theocratic imperialism spreading in the world.

She seems to be overstating radicalism in Iran before the Ayatollahs. If it was such a huge problem then Mosaddegh would never have been elected.

@robertortiz-wilson1588

Ай бұрын

He was a demigod and economic illiterate going around the legislature, who angered and alienated everyone else and so began turning to the communist party, backed directly by the Soviet Union, then he got couped. Which was supported by, not directed by the USA and UK. It was homegrown. Iranians disliking the USA because of the coup and the narrative that removed their native hand was a retroactive justification made in the run-up to the revolution.

@nunereclipsereborn

13 күн бұрын

@akoben Radical Islam has been a problem even before the Revolutionary War!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Interesting - when asked about what should the US do now, she brings up 7th century Muslim history, while complaining about whataboutism

I’ve never seen this woman before her debate but she was making the most bad faith arguments I’ve ever seen. She cut Dave off but then got mad at him for interrupting when he just wanted to finish his point. Just bad form all around. Not to mention she was screaming whataboutism 2 seconds after she did a “whataboutism” herself with the Houthi thing. Ridiculous.

I love Dave, he's super smart and fair!!!

0/10 trash debate. They just argue over definitions

@tann_man

Ай бұрын

The overwhelming majority of debates are over definitions whether the opponents realize or not.

@danielreinhardt937

Ай бұрын

My god that is boring. @@tann_man

"Whataboutism" is not a thing.

@DubcityTX

Ай бұрын

Exactly. It's such an unrefined phrase and hole ridden logic.

@rig4365

Ай бұрын

Of course it is

@artaxAF

Ай бұрын

@@rig4365 No, it's not. What's referred to as "whataboutism" is just logical consistency.

@rig4365

Ай бұрын

@@artaxAF whatabout comparative example to deflect

@artaxAF

Ай бұрын

@@rig4365 consistent application of logic is not deflection, claiming "whataboutism" is a deflection from hypocrisy

"He or many people say" He never said that you liar

Why are we listening to a social media influencer who can't stop playing with her hair?

👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻

Mr. Legion of Skanks. Dave is really going up in the world.

I can’t take someone seriously who gets Botox. Sorry.

@innovationatwork199

Ай бұрын

Should I bring it up? Is this shaming? Honestly, if you do things to your appearance to “look better”, aren’t you inherently opening yourself up to criticism…for those same things? (I’m sure someone can say this better than me.) Bottom line, when I was in college I once attended a church with a pastor that wore a toupee…and it didn’t sit right with me. How can you trust someone that wants to be taken seriously that alters their appearance? It is a weakness, not a strength.

@ForsakenXennial

Ай бұрын

All 3 of them likely have had botox, probably even dave. Or is that what you meant?

@BobWidlefish

Ай бұрын

@@ForsakenXennial the guest has totally unnatural lips that makes them difficult to look at. Only superficial people modify their appearance in such ways. I can’t take superficial people seriously.

@katej910

Ай бұрын

The ad hominem fallacy.

@BobWidlefish

Ай бұрын

@@katej910 wow, such insight!

i saw the piers morgan video of this and Elica is just hot headed, need-last-word, type of person who actually doesn't understand what dave was saying at all also, just off topic, why is she licking her mouth like she's the joker?

It is rare and refreshing to see friendly debate in good faith... I appreciate that Zack shows great curiosity and openness towards Elica's views. All around super!

Why do the Iranian people stop protesting just because the US returns their confiscated wealth?

Dave Smith completely ended her entire career in 1 minute

You were fantastic. Thanks

Whataboutism is almost always defeated by "Why not both?"

more lip filler than common sense

One groups behavior doesn't excuse another groups behavior towards others. It is irrelevant to the issue with the Houthis of what the US has done.

Where's the libertarian party? I thought we were going to see some movement after they cleaned out the old guard.

Why is the Holocaust against Jewish people the subject of Hollywood films, books, and art, while other genocides and atrocities, such as the Nakba where 750,000 Palestinians were expelled from their homes, or the Christian Holocaust under Joseph Stalin perpetrated by the Bolsheviks, receive little attention?

Whataboutism: interviewing Putin critically about his invasion of Ukraine. His response: “Well, what about Israel?” Dave Smith: if you’re talking about violations of sovereignty as a fundamental issue at stake, then let’s see whether you actually believe that sovereignty is the issue at stake. She then engaged in Whataboutism, ironically, because she was more interested in airtime than consistency.

"whataboutism" is not a logical fallacy. It is a term invented by leftists to dodge the issue when they criticize someone (usually Trump) for doing something a leftist did (Obama's kids in cages). Using whataboutism to criticize someone is similar to deflecting or dodging the issue. If they are dodging or deflecting, explain how.

@anonymous666951

Ай бұрын

But I hear it works wonders for cognitive dissonance.

@ForsakenXennial

Ай бұрын

Yea but what's Dave's point ? The discussion is about iran/isreal so he talks about yemens civil war?

@MY-hc5fb

24 күн бұрын

@@ForsakenXennialElicia was responding to the Palestinian girl, basically saying “How dare you support Houthis, look at what they have done to Yemen”, Dave then said well if you care about Yemenis maybe look at Saudis/USA involvement in Yemen. (She was advocating for the US involvement in Iran.) Basically, Dave was calling out her hypocrisy for criticizing the Houthis for their treatment of the Yemenis, while not acknowledging the US, who along with Saudi Arabia did far worse to Yemenis. But according to her calling out hypocrisy is “whataboutism”.

@ForsakenXennial

24 күн бұрын

@@MY-hc5fb Yea I watched the whole interview. I guess he just comparing the notion of sovereignty.

@JKweez

14 күн бұрын

It's literally a logical fallacy.

Can someone not be happy about the Houthis trying to allow food aid into Palestine but also find them disgraceful for how they treat their own people? Is it possible that the people of Yemen support getting aid into Palestine but do not support the Houthis themselves?

[International] Politics is not about finding morally pure allies, but mostly making compromises with what support you get. Pro Palestinians are not going to care about every aspect of Iranian policy/domestic policy etc as long as there is some support. Same goes to the Iranian people against the Iranian govt who find an ally in sentiment in the Israeli govt. This doesnt mean the Iranian people are necessarily pro genocide or that Pro palestinians are against the freedom of women in Iran etc. Elica uses way too many adjectives and verbose language to paint the pro palestinians in one color when they speak against Israeli strikes against Iran but then is milktoast in comments about Israeli actions in Gaza with pretty much a mandatory "it's sad when civilians die". She accuses others of exactly what she is doing. Not to mention that she speaks a lot but says very little. Regarding the event, Iran has always used proxies in the region; Israel has often conducted strikes far within Iran, Syria and Iraq for years. There is frequent back and forth between Hezb and Israel. The Iranian consulate building strike was during a week support for Israel took a DRASTIC hit in reputation internationally and seems timed to force American committments of suppport and an intentional act of escalation.

Can we please stop inventing logical "logical felices" that are logical felices?

A lot of lips but good for a few things.

6:18 What contribution US … 6:54 Houthis… [pointing finger] or just click description and then "Show transcript" and read for yourselves.

Just admit you were intelligently destroyed and should probably not debate anyone over the age about 25

all the Iranians that I've personally met , genuinely hate west and western lifestyle. is that just my luck or an actual reality ?

Why do I keep giving this channel additional views? The pseudo-intellectualism is exhausting. I think I'm fooled by the channel name: "Reason"

The problem is the left has barely ever talked about Yemen during all the time that war was happening. I know bc I was so irritated by it. I don't like the term "whataboutism" but I think you all are wrong and she makes a good case for why we need to look at how the people in Yemen actually feel. I add that we should really care how they feel considering we failed them already not really ever paying them as much attention as we did in other areas. If I was in Yemen I probably would only focus on whats right in front of me. I am not going to be thinking I will accept abuse of the Houthi's bc US and Saudi Arabia abused us too. I imagine the people of Yemen feel more alone than any other people on the planet because the left didn't care about them and now are using the abuse they went through at the hands of US and Saudi Arabia for the excuse its okay they get even more abuse now at the hands of someone else to save some other people but they have never been cared about. Its fine to say that the torment the Houthi's experience is unfortunate but a casulty of war but don't pretend they ever got any real attention from the left when they were a casualty of another war. The left always has a one-track mind.

Elica, if she had properly listened to the male speaker, instead of beating up and or talking down the male speaker, she would discover in her long winded excuse in this video, she Elica made the argument which that man was making. Why is this woman speaking with an English accent, and, disrespecting that male speaker! Elica needs to clear the wax out of her ears, and, learn to respect other speakers

lol how do you defend arguing something that was never said?

Does she think Dave supports the Houtis?

Elica ate and left no crumbs

THIS CHANNEL HAS ALMOST A MILLION SUBS BUT ONLY HAS ONE VIDEO IN THE LAST MONTH ABOVE 100K VIEWS. HOW DO YOU NOT SEE THIS IS A PROBLEM? START MAKING CONTENT PEOPLE ACTUALLY WANT TO WATCH!!!

Who is this woman?

THE POPULATIONS AROUND THE WORLD ARE BEING PLAYED BY BOTH THE WEST AND THE EAST. SUX

I’m sorry, especially because I’m not particularly found of Dave smith but this chick got absolutely cooked… it was hard to watch

She has no clue what Dave said at the time or now.

Elica is really hot!

cringe

This woman is from the uk, i think she is a lawyer or somthing in politics, she was on peirce morgans show, she is a big propagandist, she is pushed to speak bad about iran. She is making a career out of generating propaganda about iran.

Remy is the only thing of value on this channel anymore. You guys are embarrassing yourselves. Just stop it. Get some help.

ReasonTV can you not "make stupid people famous"? Thx.

A series of word salads leading nowhere.

I comp pretty agree with Elica. The whole thing of go all in or leave it alone with sanctions is truly the only way to change the issues in Yemen or Iran. It’s no different than the any other country in the past. When the people of the country get tired enough of tyranny they will uprise and make the necessary changes. Sometimes it takes hundreds of years sometimes it takes just a few. In the grand scheme of things, the destabilization of the entire Middle East has much to do with the military industrial complex. Not just the US, but the UN.

@toddfulton2280

Ай бұрын

Apple makes more money than the "military industrial complex". Blaming everything on a shadowing organization reeks of the same conspiratorial thinking antisemites engage in. We might as well start talking about the illuminati.

This woman is slow

She got waxed. Shhhh🤫

she lost, L. and she has duck lips.

Dave Smith conveniently ignored the fact that the Houtis uprising was sponsored by Iran.

@pantethine66

Ай бұрын

the Saudis and the U.S. sponsored the corrupt government and the Houthis allied with Iran to overthrow the corrupt government. The Saudi's blockade yemen with the help of the United States is causing a humanitarian crisis

❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ anyone who has long painted fingernails, loses the argument

Elica is bright and sharp . I enjoy listening to her ! She is a fighter for Truth .

Elica is a Hero Why are my comments being deleted?

smith and le bon were the most level headed on the panel

I think Erica has good points, but her entire argument is not well articulated. She's pointing out some flaws in ME policy but doesn't really have a solution that systematically answers the problems she's complaining about

Palestine 🇵🇸 🇵🇸 🇵🇸

The problem with libertarians in general from Dave, to Reason, is that they're foreign policy illiterates. Then their opposition are usually too selectively focused, which fuels these nonsense conversations. Hearing libertarians recite the normie garbage narrative about what caused the coup in the 1950s, and then claim The Iranian Revolution was inevitable at that point, is laughable. Saudi Arabia did just decide to go to war with Yemen one day. Yemen had already had their government overthrown internally in a coup after getting rid of their armed forces. A Civil War was already starting. The critique is Saudi Aarabia's handling of the situation, and the USA letting Saudi Arabia lead and do what they thought would work and for their own misplaced prestige which all backfired, despite the USA giving them plenty of open backing without leading in the situation.

Elica is 100% correct.

Elica is wrong Dave won

Dave is a shame for the Libertarian movement. He needs to stop pretending he represents us. His arrogance is unbearable. I'm glade she humiliated him on live television.

@tann_man

Ай бұрын

facetious much?

@pantethine66

Ай бұрын

oh boy she got humiliated

Elica is incredibly impressive. Good for her.

@lizard450

Ай бұрын

How did you acquire your brain damage?

Elica Le Bon is a class act. 💜

She’s correct

@tann_man

Ай бұрын

She's incorrect.

Lip fillers automatically invalidates your opinion.

@JKweez

14 күн бұрын

I'm guessing you're a virgin

Dave does not support the Houthis lol.... what is the point of this response?