The ending of 'Return of the King' is never long. It arrives precisely when it means to.

@creigcoogan5363

4 жыл бұрын

Mike M A nod to Gandalf, good catch!

@starlightsystem4065

4 жыл бұрын

Bro I choked on my water XD

@mena94x3

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. 🥰

@mrfister825

3 жыл бұрын

I think the ending goes on for long but it’s necessary to tie all the threads together in the end. So I don’t really mind it

@flutfuk

3 жыл бұрын

true story...1 oscar for every ending

The LOTR movies are over ten hours long. It really needed a long ending. You can't wrap up a story like this in 10 minutes.

@simonpurist4499

6 жыл бұрын

cowsaysboo Peter Jackson was an idiot who thought that Tolkien published the story as three books, when in reality it was published as three VOLUMES due to a paper shortage at the time. There were SIX books. If Jackson had made the story as a film series rather than insisting on a Trilogy, it could have been six movies that were 2 hours long. And you could have added even more detail in the extended editions that was not material to the plot, like the songs, and other scenes which we're not essential but added much to the story, like Pippin meeting with Beregond and Bergil etc.

@Serai3

6 жыл бұрын

Wow, you really don't know anything about Peter Jackson. He's as much a fan of Tolkien as you are, probably more. And of course he knew how many books there were. He'd read them since he was a kid, doofus. Try finding things out before you act like an ass next time.

@strategicmessager9659

6 жыл бұрын

Apparently his wife is a huge fan too. nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran_Walsh www.imdb.com/name/nm0909638/?ref_=tt_ov_wr

@michaelding3596

5 жыл бұрын

@@simonpurist4499 How bout you try to make an adaptation this good. Huh?

@BrettWMcCoy

5 жыл бұрын

And the ending in the movies is actually quite short compared to the ending in the novel.

I've watched lotr nearly 50 times (no joke) and I have never once said "END ALREADY" but that's just because lotr is life and who wants life to end?

@Aelipse

5 жыл бұрын

I feel you man! LotR is amazing.

@erinmayo5170

5 жыл бұрын

Me

@luisoncpp

5 жыл бұрын

I think that feeling of "end already" is because there are some shots where it wouldn't surprise to start seeing the credits roll: After Frodo and Sam are on the top of the mountain that the screen fades out, it fades out in a way that feels like the movie is over. After the coronation of Aragorn, the zoom out looks like something that could be the last shot of the movie. ... and finally, there is the real ending.

@alexwilson9561

4 жыл бұрын

50 is light numbers out here...

@karimbauer8720

4 жыл бұрын

the crazy king that set him and faramir on fire

A lot of people think Elijah Woods is “boring”, but I think no one could have played the role of Frodo Baggins better, it seems like he truly understands his character.

@Numenorean921

4 жыл бұрын

The character of Frodo is just plain boring honestly, has nothing to do with Elijah.

@Numenorean921

4 жыл бұрын

@Gary Allen ehm no, we see the story through the eyes of sam

@alexk.35

4 жыл бұрын

wdym no one thinks he’s boring

@SylvEdu

4 жыл бұрын

No, Peter Jackson understands his character. This is the result of fantastic directing. He knew exactly how to portray Frodo in each scene and communicated that to Elijah. That said, Elijah was a great actor for this part.

@tiaaaron3278

4 жыл бұрын

Honestly, Frodo is boring in the books, easily the least interesting of the Hobbits. Jackson did his best to make him interesting and I believe he did q great job. Elijah Wood was great too. He captured Frodo's innocence and pure soul well and also his slow fall into irreparable depression. But I guess some people don't like innocence, purity or weakness.

Not sure if people give Elijah Wood enough credit for LOTR. He played the role perfectly.

@nathanhall9345

7 жыл бұрын

It's one of those rare performances that's so good it becomes impossible to separate the actor from the role. His career actually kind of suffered because of just how good he is in this.

@masterle4248

7 жыл бұрын

SaberRexZealot he deserved an Oscar for Frodo

@drewb.9497

6 жыл бұрын

SaberRexZealot he fell on nothing like 42 times...

@IsaVarg

6 жыл бұрын

Stud Burry Wafflez That has nothing to do with his portrayal of the role.

@darnokthemage170

6 жыл бұрын

SaberRexZealot not really, he just looks sad all the time.

"Story is what the plot is actually aBOAT." > Canadian spotted.

@JustWrite

8 жыл бұрын

+invock Guilty as charged.

@Ragitsu

7 жыл бұрын

Random bigotry is random.

@SovereignStatesman

7 жыл бұрын

invock well you have found him OOT!

@LyricBent

7 жыл бұрын

Ragitsu nah, it's not bigotry. As both a Canadian and a linguist, I can tell you that "about" actually *is* pronounced differently in Canada, just not to the ridiculous degree some people think. It's part of the Canadian accent, and if you're curious about it, you can look it up under the name "Canadian Raising". Hope you found that interesting!

@thegorykid002

7 жыл бұрын

Copy, you have permission to shoot.

So basically: Plot=everything that happens Story=development of characters/emotions

@SnoopyDoofie

5 жыл бұрын

Except that you cannot separate the two.

@camilleotillio1142

5 жыл бұрын

@@SnoopyDoofie I think you can have plot without story, but you can't have story without plot, even if the plot is a mere moment like making eye contact that two characters understand. But think about it, most sitcoms etc have plot without story, nothing changes as the show goes on and everything is cleanly wrapped up in 30 minutes and never influences them again.

@Gerno_

4 жыл бұрын

So basically The plot is the external events and conflicts The story is the internal events, changes and conflicts that happens because of the plot Did i get it right?

@huckwalton2307

4 жыл бұрын

That’s what he’s saying, but no. Usually screenplays are taught and thought about in the opposite way. Story is simply the events that unfold, and plot is the emotional turns. What he means is character “want” vs “need”.

@filiporvik2782

4 жыл бұрын

And also Story=themes and ideas.

Frodo's departure always feels like I'm witnessing someone entering heaven and finding eternal healing.

@emma3647

4 жыл бұрын

Agree. It’s like putting my soul to a cheese grater every time. 😭

@headphonic8

3 жыл бұрын

Totally feels like a metaphor for death. "Passing into the west" instead of "passing into the afterlife".

@miniclip1162

7 ай бұрын

@@headphonic8 i know this was writen 3 years ago, but that is exactly lore wise what is happening. The elves are going back to their realm (basically heaven) never to return to middle earth. Frodo is invited by them to go to heaven.

So glad to find people who really enjoyed the ending of ROTK. And honestly, after investing in a 9 hour epic, I expect a satisfying ending for all characters and plot points.

@MrRoboticeyes

6 жыл бұрын

THIS! After efery awesome story with awesome world, i always wanted to know what happen to the character there, as i assume what possibly happen to them, because they are alive and continue to live

6 жыл бұрын

12 hours! :) Extended edition is the real thing.

@Hakken1

6 жыл бұрын

xxSennaxx Thank you. Yes, after three movies and nine hours all the characters have to be summarized. The ending is great.

@BoomieBang

6 жыл бұрын

The ending in the book is even longer ;)

@IceCream976

6 жыл бұрын

I started crying when Frodo had to leave his friends

The biggest tear-jerker for me is before the Rohan cavalry charge, gets me every time.

@Smarackto

7 жыл бұрын

boromirs last stand fight

@MarkFilipAnthony

7 жыл бұрын

Faramir sacrificing himself for Osgiliath

@rohansamrai7865

7 жыл бұрын

Rohan is lame

@guitarman0365

7 жыл бұрын

that music playing when gandalf goes and draws back the nazgul so the men can make it to minas tirith is an amazing moment. really the entire trilogy is comprised of epic shots and epic musical scores

@garyjones2561

7 жыл бұрын

olliemad But just think how many men of Gondor died during his speech.

There's a legend saying: everytime you mention LoTR, someone goes for a LoTR extended cut marathon. Also, i don't need to see the scene with "you bow to no one", just brief mentioning of this and a goddamn ninja with his onions materializes

@maxmcvey8425

4 жыл бұрын

Literally on the second disc of return of the king

@matthias9093

4 жыл бұрын

Ive never really understood why everyone talks about crying at the "you bow to no one" scene. its a very powerful scene, but I never found it emotional. I cry at the character moments on mount doom and at the Grey Havens.

@zerotohero1483

3 жыл бұрын

Facts

@Serai3

3 жыл бұрын

I don't agree that the extended editions are the best. They're better in some instances, but some of the stuff in there really is kinda crappy. It's totally understandable why Jackson cut some of that stuff. Some of the added scenes actually ruin the flow, giving away info that sucks the tension and excitement out of later scenes. (I'm thinking specifically of the mithril mine and the agreement of the ghost king, both of which killed any surprise factor later.) Films have a rhythm to them, and shoving every bit of stuff back in spoils it.

@kreia187

3 жыл бұрын

@@Serai3 I agree that the extended cut can't be regarded as objectively better, because of some of the points you mentioned earlier. There are many scenes that were cut because they just weren't necessary (still boggles my mind however, why the saruman scene in rotk was cut). But i would have to say that for someone who enjoys the movies the first time around (probably the theatrical cut), for any rewatch i would highly recommend the extended versions. A lot of the extra scenes are great or interesting at least, and i can only think of very few scenes that are really kind of bad. As a fan of the franchise and world you get so much more out of them, to the point where now, after being used to the extended cut, it would feel weird and empty to watch the theatrical cut.

What writers should learn: *you will literally never write anything better than these books*

@politereminder6284

4 жыл бұрын

Harsh bro!

@sinisterkrex6465

4 жыл бұрын

Asoiaf?

@macin6931

4 жыл бұрын

@@sinisterkrex6465 I feel like they are on a similar scale but they play with fantasy in such a different way that it does nobody justice to compare them 1v1.

@acr08807

4 жыл бұрын

Dune was better.

@sinisterkrex6465

4 жыл бұрын

@Thanos the Farmer I'm talking about the books, not the TV series.

I can't even watch this review without getting teary-eyed.

@MrPr0n

8 жыл бұрын

+RockLou wanker

@RockLou

8 жыл бұрын

Mr Pr0n reknaw

@dweliq2993

7 жыл бұрын

Please man the fuck up.

@Justin-dl7hb

7 жыл бұрын

RockLou ~Then ur a weirdo

@dirtypure2023

7 жыл бұрын

"Please man the fuck up." I understand. You idealize manhood as maintenance to a stoic disposition which men must use like a shield against emotional awareness, as an anchor to which a man must desperately cling, lest his soul be stirred by contemplations on his own temporal nature and ultimate mortality. You pathetic fool.

Problem is I never wanted it to end. The ending could be infinitely long and it would still be too short for me. What do people mean by the ending though? If the ending starts after Gandalf picks up Frodo with the eagles, then the ending is only 20 minutes long. A 20 minute ending to a 12 hour epic adventure I think is completely reasonable. The entire story was wrapped in about 2% of the run time. They nailed it.

@natashazheltova1412

5 жыл бұрын

@Kian Dianati ah, reading Silmarillion for the first time. I envy you

@alexk.35

4 жыл бұрын

agreed. it was incredible

@amisikiarie

4 жыл бұрын

Actually in the book the ending is half of the Return of the King. It's spectacular imo.

@Serai3

4 жыл бұрын

Elijah Wood never wanted it to end, either. He said after ROTK was released that he could have gone on playing Frodo for years, he loved the experience that much.

@i-deni-i5138

4 жыл бұрын

In my opinion it's too rushed because of the jumps from here to there. We have three movies that run each 3 hours (theatrical cuts) which I prefer because of the pacing, and then after the climax comes one rushed end after another. It just jumps from frodo waking up in bed to Aragorn being crowned to the hobbits coming back home and having a drink to Frodo and Bilbo leaving the shire to Sam with his wife and kids. It should've taken at least 45 minutes to end in my opinion. They should've shown the hobbits packing their stuff, saying goodbye to the fellowship, having a talk about returning home and how they can't wait for their hobbit holes, parties and so on. Then when they arrive show a little bit of their life in the shire after all that and so on and on without obvious "fades to black". The endings feel too rushed. I love that movie with all my heart, but I don't understand why the ending is paced so poorly. The critics criticised it for being too long. I would criticise it for being too short :S

i've recently watched (for the hundredh time) the trilogy in long version, but this time in a theater his more than 3000 peoples and an entire orchestra playing in real time the films's musics. it taked an entire night, ended at 9 am, and nobody was sleeping, doing something else or not paying attention on this ending. this is so powerfull, and seeing those 3 films in one take make you feel like your entire life is about destroying the ring, you feel like frodo,this end is the perfect ending they could have done. i'm so glad those films exist.

4 жыл бұрын

i always wanted to be in that place, but here in Chile is impossible to have the lotr orchestra and the closest it will be this year is in Brazil :(

@helenwalter6830

4 жыл бұрын

That poor orchestra- playing the whole night.

@evanred_

4 жыл бұрын

And they couldn't even see the screen

@leirumf5476

4 жыл бұрын

I'm envious of those who were able to see these films on a theater as back in the day, sadly I'm too young for that

@Serai3

3 жыл бұрын

I wish I could have seen it like that, but there never was a performance here in L.A. * sigh *

The movie's plot ends when Sauron is defeated: the trilogy's story ends when Frodo overcomes his PTSD.

@Serai3

3 жыл бұрын

There is no indication that Frodo ever got over the wound the Ring gave him. (It's much too facile to call it PTSD.) The very reason he left is because he _couldn't_ get over it, and no one ever knew what happened to him after he left.

@bronsonmcleod1449

3 жыл бұрын

@@Serai3 (He got all better when he went to magic elf land.) The ringscar is an unsubtle fantasy take on PTSD; and if you think PTSD is facile, then perhaps you should volunteer to assist some veterans in need.

@Serai3

3 жыл бұрын

@@bronsonmcleod1449 Nope, sorry. Nowhere in the story, either in the books or the movie, does it say he got better. That's because there was nobody who ever came back. You can tell yourself he did, but Tolkien never said he got better, only that he HOPED to get better. Tolkien's story had little to do with happy endings, as he thought they were an immature way to end a story.

@Serai3

3 жыл бұрын

@@bronsonmcleod1449 And I NEVER said PTSD was facile. If you'll read my comment again, you'll see I said that CALLING WHAT HAPPENED TO FRODO that was facile. Tolkien himself said it was not the same thing as shell shock (the original name for the condition), but much deeper and impossible to heal anywhere in Middle Earth. That is exactly WHY he had to leave. He didn't WANT to leave - he HAD to leave. LOTR is not a modern story, and it was never intended to be an allegory of any kind, including the idea that Frodo's wound was anything that anyone could experience again. What happened to him was unique, which is why no cure existed or would ever exist in Middle Earth.

@bronsonmcleod1449

3 жыл бұрын

@@Serai3 'As for Frodo or other mortals, they could only dwell in Aman for a limited time -- whether brief or long. The Valar had neither the power nor the right to confer 'immortality' upon them. Their sojourn was a 'purgatory', but one of peace and healing and they would eventually pass away (die at their own desire and of free will) to destinations of which the Elves knew nothing.' -Letter 246 He [Tolkien] was referring to the parts of Arda marred by Morgoth, not Middle Earth as a physical entity; the former does not include Valinor/Aman. That being said, Tolkien is hardly omniscient: there's more parallel in what he wrote than he ever admitted. Or would you also say there's no parallel between LotR's "Noman-Lands" and WWI's infamous "No Man's Land", merely because Tolkien refused to admit the influence the World Wars had on his writing?

I want to kick my past self for being frustrated at the ending of this movie when I saw it in the theater. It took me years to finally appreciate its true significance.

@SolusBatty

7 жыл бұрын

Wait till you love Justin Bieber in 2030, you'll be amazed :D

@dirtyharry1881

6 жыл бұрын

@SolusBatty lmao

@GrapeHate

6 жыл бұрын

At least you get it now.

@sindri1447

6 жыл бұрын

REKT!

@user-gz3rb7uw6z

6 жыл бұрын

. and having saw the girl's profile picture, you try to create an opportunity to bash the lonely sad man bashing her in her defense like her white knight in hope that she contacts you to hang out, but only to find out that's how you'll get in her cyberfriendzone. Do you understand?.. I can't believe I'm enjoying this to 😂

A lot of people don't the scene in Rivendel because it didn't spell out what was going on. For those who still don't understand it, *Frodo thinks he's dead and is sort of okay with it.* *The last thing Frodo remembers is being on that rock in Mordor waiting for the end, then golden fucking eagles carry him off the angelic elven city and then he wakes up next the Wizard he definitely saw die in the only place Frodo knows of, that remotely resembles heaven.* He's both relieved and saddened to see his old friend again, but then one by one the others show up. *To them it's obvious they won and everyone survived so no one brings it up, but to Frodo, he thinks he and friends paid the ultimate price for freedom and what breaks his heart is the idea he got Sam killed to.* it's only when Elron walks in that the matter is cleared up and Frodo realises the truth and farce is over. I think Elijah Wood did a great job conveying this, but it would seem I am in the minority.

@magiv4205

6 жыл бұрын

The NetherOne T H I S !

@pmiles5038

5 жыл бұрын

THAT IS DEEP STUFF

@PMacMoraes

5 жыл бұрын

I think you mean Minas Tirith?

@benv7933

5 жыл бұрын

I have NEVER noticed this!! Thank you for sharing!!

@jcunningham8041

5 жыл бұрын

I've never disliked that scene, but I love this reading of it.

Even when I was a kid, I never thought the ending was too long. It was so satisfying and soothing. It was almost cathartic, honestly, all that glowy white and slowmo after all the grime and violence. It made me feel like everything could always be okay again no matter what happened.

As a Tolkien fan I have the opposite reaction. "Don't end yet!" I'd say to myself. The movies are a true work of love for the books. Masterpieces of cinema and a gift to the world.

@picardisnotamused67

3 жыл бұрын

My feelings exactly. But how do you feel about Arwen stealing Glorfindel’s part?! I think Glorfindel got cheated.😡

@Serai3

3 жыл бұрын

Soon after ROTK came out, Elijah said he would have been happy playing Frodo for the rest of his life, because the story was so deep and profound.

I've never felt like Return of the King was too long, for precisely this reason. LOTR is an emotionally absorbing story that needed a long denouemont; when you're as invested in these characters like I was, you feel mounting frustration for every unanswered question and every unaccounted fate. This was actually the thing that I hated the most about an ending to another epic trilogy, but to speak it's name would be to summon it's awful presence.

@danielh.2037

7 жыл бұрын

Isaac Taylor damn now i gotta know what trilogie u mean

@IsaaqAttack

6 жыл бұрын

He's probably talking about Mass Effect.

@Knjaz_Zlogrd

6 жыл бұрын

He was talking about the Matrix.

@scaper8

6 жыл бұрын

I can definitely see it being _The Matrix_ films he was talking about. I enjoyed all three, but they really got lost somewhere along the way. _Reloaded_ was pretty good, and could be mostly salvaged as is with a few minor tweaks, but _Revolutions_ missed too many little things, and many big things, that it is just bad. My understanding is that the Wachowskis intent was to do _one_ sequel and one prequel, that may have been better. I have not seem them, but there are fan edits that combine _Reloaded_ and _Revolutions_ into a single film and I have heard that most are infinitely better. As to the prequel, a feature length version of _The Second Renaissance_ showing the creation of the machines, their subjugation, attempts at peace, the war, and human subjugation more fully with human and machine characters that we would follow over the course would be interesting. The two problem that the studio, as I understand it, had with the prequel is that it would A) not feature the bankable heros of the last film and B) give more sympathy to the machines. Something that the studio feared would drive away viewers.

@scaper8

6 жыл бұрын

Aldrich Leblanc I do have to disagree with you there. I like a number of their films myself, but I do know that some are a bit of an acquired taste.

Théoden's speech. "A red day. A sword day. And the sun rises" When they start to yell "death" and it cuts to merry and éowyn shouting it too... UGH IT GETS ME

Lord Of The Rings is so incredible. nothing will ever be like it

@aiiiia9971

4 жыл бұрын

Indeed

@Serai3

3 жыл бұрын

I hope more versions of this story will be filmed someday. It's much too classic to have only one iteration. I want to see different filmmakers take it on and see what they come up with.

@ogbee9690

3 жыл бұрын

@@Serai3 none of them will compare to PJs let’s be honest

@Serai3

3 жыл бұрын

@@ogbee9690 You have no basis whatsoever for saying that, given that none of them actually exist yet. If you like this one, fine, but saying nothing else could ever be as good is just declaring that you have no intention of giving any other version a chance. That's like saying no other version of Hamlet could possibly be as good as the original staging in the 16th century - it's nonsense.

@ogbee9690

3 жыл бұрын

@@Serai3 fine, it’s EXTREMELY unlikely any other version will turn out as great as PJ’s. Happy now? Seriously, I don’t know what you expect. the cast and crews camaraderie, they were all extremely likable and kind to one another, the amount of passion involved, HOWARD SHORES SCORE, the beautiful breathtaking landscapes, the attention to detail, the amount of emotion. Idk how you expect that to be topped.

I heard it said that the movie has three endings, each important: The Ring's end The Fellowship's end (reunited) The hobbits' end (especially Frodo and Sam)

@Serai3

3 жыл бұрын

The Ring's end The Fellowship reunites Aragorn is crowned The hobbits reach the Shire The hobbits have a drink in the bar Sam gets married Any of these could have been the ending.

@Benkenobi8118

3 жыл бұрын

I have to add the coronation of Aragorn. The film is called, "the Return of the King". So many long and difficult years for him.

the only reason people say it was too long, myself included, is less about actual length and more about how the fade outs were messing with the people in the theater who thought they could get up to pee without missing anything lol.

I think the "end already" idea comes from how it transitions from scene to scene. If I recall correctly (and its been a while since I last watched it) the scenes regularly end with a fade out. I definitely remember - when first watching it in the cinema - that as the camera faded out on Mount Doom, I thought "oh shit, is that where its going to end? Too fast man!" but then it didn't end, fortunately. Without knowing at what point it would end, the scenes kept ending as if they were about to cut to credits. When you don't know what the final scene is, then that affects the way you perceive the flow. You get the "exhale moment," as you prepare for credits and then it keeps going. Then it does it again. You bob up and down emotionally as you keep expecting it to end and it doesn't. Now once you know the final scene and are watching it for a subsequent viewing, all that is gone, because you now know when the end is coming. At this point, you can see the narrative more clearly and the ending makes perfect sense. But on first viewing, its almost like a bait and switch as you continually fail to successfully predict that final fade to black.

@headphonic8

3 жыл бұрын

I ALWAYS thought this! That fade out edit was the reason everyone thought it was too long: because they were tricked into thinking multiple times that it was going to fade to credits! If that transition wasn't there, I honestly don't think people would have complained as much.

@Serai3

3 жыл бұрын

The idea that it takes too long started when ROTK was released to theaters. It was four hours long and none of the theater owners wanted to schedule an intermission. When you're sitting there full of Pepsi, the movie does indeed never seem to end! (That's true, by the way. I remember being careful not to drink anything because I knew I'd be miserable in a couple of hours.)

I was so tickled when I learned how Tolkien wrote LOTR, because I've never heard of any other writer doing it this way: he started writing, got stuck, and instead of working out the problem and changing things, he started all over again. And he did that _every time he got stuck._ He would go back and rewrite from the beginning. So there are early versions of LOTR involving all kinds of plot points and characters that never made it to the finished product, there in their own little nests of story. :)

@stuckupcurlyguy

Жыл бұрын

Still finished sooner than GRR Martin too

@Serai3

Жыл бұрын

@@stuckupcurlyguy LOL, is that going to be the new version of "still a better love story than Twilight"? 😆

@heathenpride7931

Жыл бұрын

@@Serai3 no, it will in the end be “and still finished unlike GRRM”

@Serai3

Жыл бұрын

@@heathenpride7931 Now, now. Let's not be hard on ol' George. The problem isn't his; the problem is his fans' infantile inability to be satisfied with the ending of a story.

@RockoEstalon

Жыл бұрын

@@Serai3 What ending is there to be dissatisfied with if he still has to write two or three books to finish the series?

People just have short attention spans 🤷🏾‍♂️

@samuelf7163

4 жыл бұрын

Not everyone though. Clearly, the fans of the film hasn't

@forthecool

4 жыл бұрын

ADD bro it sucks

@KudiGamer

4 жыл бұрын

you never know...

@alexk.35

4 жыл бұрын

the movies don’t get hate though

@tiaaaron3278

4 жыл бұрын

I never got the too many endings complaints. So dumb.

"You bow to no one" still stands to this day as the greatest line ever delivered in range of a cinematic camera. Truly magnificent.

@charlieturk8141

6 жыл бұрын

Seriously every time the scenes comes up I'm fighting back the tears.

@magiv4205

6 жыл бұрын

Charlie Turk I've given up fighting long ago

@johnrockyryan

7 ай бұрын

Don't forget "for Frodo" Viggo is the perfect Aragorn

even the extended edition is just the right amount of run time

@justjimmy3154

5 жыл бұрын

Kyle Williamson Totally dude! You miss so many essential and moving scenes if you don’t watch the extended edition! My gosh these movies are soooooo good!

It's truly amazing that people still go back to the Lord of the Rings movies and always have something new to say. In a time where things Marvel movies or Star Wars anthology movies seem to be the rage none of them hold a candle to the masterpiece trilogy.

@Serai3

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. For all that's it's a fantasy set in a fantasy version of our world, it deals with the issues of war and violence and sacrifice and heartache in a FAR more adult way than any of the superhero junk you see nowadays. That's why so many people think Frodo is "weak" or "boring" - because real emotion and the real fallout from such horrors have no interest for them. They want to see unrealistic Hollywood versions of life, not honest portrayals of what war leads to.

I loved the ending. We just spent NINE hours with these characters struggling and despairing. I like that we're given an emotional, contemplative, almost therapeutic ending to coax us out of all the gloom and war we just traversed through.

Return Of The King had the best ending

The story of Lord of the Rings is more than only Frodo's arc.

@UltimateKyuubiFox

5 жыл бұрын

But it is predominantly his arc.

@donl5814

5 жыл бұрын

True. Frodo's is the most in-your-face, but most characters certainly had arcs. My personal favorite is Sam's combo non-arc of absolute loyalty and arc of self-confidence. M&P's arcs of growing up and being responsible, Aragorn's arc of choosing a path & letting others choose theirs, L&G's arcs of racism, the list goes on for almost all characters.

@hyperion3145

4 жыл бұрын

UltimateKyuubiFox Not at all: it’s a split between Aragorn and his inheritance, Frodo and Sam, Sauron himself and Saruman. Additionally, if you’ve read the books, the entire mythos is Morgoth’s/Melkor’s story with Lord of The Rings being his lasting impact before he returns.

@isaaccarranza1461

4 жыл бұрын

yes but Frodo´s arc is the most important aspect of the plot

@lars9925

4 жыл бұрын

​@@isaaccarranza1461 The story is about overcoming evil by working together, trusting each other and sacrificing yourself. That doesn't work at all if you focus too much on Frodo. Everything which is done by members of the fellowship of the ring is very relevant for the story. Frodo's role is kind of special because he deals the final blow, but that would not have been possible without the trust of the others. Most of them were willing to sacrifice themselves in the battle at the Black Gate for his success and Sam was willing to share frodo's fate. In addition, Frodo's victory would have been irrelevant if the orcs had already overran all the free peoples of Middle Earth, which was also prevented by his fellows.

Having seen these films so many times now, I've never caught the fact that Frodo did not truly smile again until the very end or the significance of it.

@Serai3

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think Frodo's smile is indicative of any healing. I think he smiled because he knew his friends would never see him again, and he didn't want them to remember him weak and in pain - he wanted them to remember him looking with love on those he loved most. It's what you do for someone you love, after all.

@halipeno7137

2 жыл бұрын

@@Serai3 shit, now I'm crying again

writers of game of thrones should have watched this video before finishing season 8

@Sipu97

4 жыл бұрын

And season 7, both were horrible

@Sipu97

4 жыл бұрын

@Dark Wizard Hahahah.

@viksaggu9085

4 жыл бұрын

SkylitHorizon haha

@tetsusiega2

4 жыл бұрын

Game of Thrones is terrible. All of it.

@sagishi1245

4 жыл бұрын

@dopey monk it's not supposef to make logical sense for godssake it's a fantasy

I agree that frodo not being happy when the ring is destroyed is about him feeling conflicted. It is true he is confused to some degree. It is probably true that he feels the pull of the ring still - and some regret that he could ultimately not defeat it on his own but only carry it. But most of all I feel like he knows and has known for a while that while he might succeed in destroying the ring - he might not be able to come back. What he used to be - young frodo, the shire all of that is long gone. That dying of his old self began as far back as when he was stabbed with the morgul blade. He has spent himself as a charge, knowing he would not come back but still fighting the ring with superhuman determination. That was what held him up,. Now it's over. But he finds himself in the same place. His outer goal achieved but his inner journey at a dead end. It is not a question of getting some rest and gaining perspective. He has to become something different or wither away in the remaining darkness. The jubilation as he wakes up fades into reality yes, but also into the tenderness of shared experience he has with Sam. Sam is the only true witness to Frodos ordeal . While Gandalf may better understand it's true reach and deeper significance - sam was there maintaining frodos core humanity through persistent love and friendship. Sam is at the root of where frodo is coming from and who he used to be and to whatever is left of that. Gandalf is at the root of where he will be going and what he will become. But he does not fully realise this yet. As they receive the praise of Aragorn and the crowd I am not sure they feel like they do not deserve it. I think they feel the loneliness of knowing that this was never why they did it, and that these people will never know what it was they truly did. THeir experience is a deep and lonely and personal one that few can appreciate. And no amount of external recognition will change that. Once again - especially Frodos isolation is underscored. Which leads me to my next point. Frodo, like Gandalf has shed not only his ego but sacrificed all he used to be for the greater good, but also urged on by inner wounds and the threat of a spreading inner darkness. He is on the verge of becoming what some scriptwriters refer to as a crown chakra character (I am not into the chakra thing - but it's descriptive). Someone who has shed both his mortality and mortal identity. Other characters like that are Gandalf the white, who while still being Gandalf in some sense has become something slightly more impersonal and removed from the affairs and cares of mortal men (Dr Manhattan is another example of such a character). You still perceive some of their human identity but they are on their way somewhere else. Frodo as he boards the final ship smiles and we see, finally, as he passes on a throwback to youthful frodo with no cares. The human part that loves his friends. The part that the ring very nearly completely destroyed. The part that can never be fully reconciled with the traumas he has experienced in this world and he is forced to move on. Sam cannot share this experience. He is at another level. Only in the undying lands can frodo retain some memory and semblance of what he once was while becoming something more which can contain the experience of darkness only by becoming something more fluid and layered and complex. But also - to the human heart - something slightly more dissociated and aloof. so theres a late nigh novel forya

@magiv4205

6 жыл бұрын

whynottalklikeapirat Thanks for making me cry a second time after this review already brought me to tears. Why would you do that?

@UltimateKyuubiFox

5 жыл бұрын

whynottalklikeapirat That was wonderful. I’m so glad I decided to read.

@Dreymonn

5 жыл бұрын

Great analysis man

@marieg9267

5 жыл бұрын

amazing. gotta screencap this ;^^

@133774c05

5 жыл бұрын

So it is like when Aang went with the guru to unlock the avatar state, but instead of running away like Aang he smiles a last goodbye to his friends

"You bow to no one" Gets me in the feels every time

When someone says the ending of Return of the King was too long I tell them they’ve taken too much oxygen.

@Serai3

3 жыл бұрын

"It ends too slowly." "That's because you WATCH too slowly!" (h/t _Lust for Life)_

I never cried when the ring was destroyed. I always start crying when Sam enters the room, and start weeping like a bitch when Frodo says he's leaving, too.

I use, 'Do you think the LOTR's ending was too long?' as a test of a true fan. If they say no they passed, if they say yes- get out of here! Why wouldn't you want a proper ending to this trilogy you've supposedly been invested in for 9+ hours? The only 'unnecessary' ending was Sam back with his family, but that one was pure book honour, ending it the same as the book.

@wolf_b0i981

7 жыл бұрын

Why can't a shorter ending count as proper?

@beckip8073

7 жыл бұрын

Because how could you wrap up an entire nine/ten hour long series in a short amount of time and do it any justice?

@wolf_b0i981

7 жыл бұрын

Well StarWars wrapped a 3 movie trilogy with about 2 minutes of Ewok partying. To paraphrase one of my other posts if I were writing the screenplay myself I'd have cut the eagle-rescue to a few brief shots with just a second of black in-between, I'd keep the scene where Frodo wakes up and the one where Aragorn gets crowned then the final return to the shire would just be a quick montage of shots linked and explained by a voiceover from Frodo then ending with a distance-shot of all the hobbits coming out of their homes to see the 4 returning characters. maybe also the final shot could be Sam & Rose's wedding with the camera panning upwards.

@beckip8073

7 жыл бұрын

Personally, Star wars and LOTR aren't comparable for me, one is based on an incredibly dense and detailed book and the other is more an action flick in space. Having a montage for a trilogy where every other important moment was fully fleshed out and developed would have been inadequate and not emotionally fulfilling.

@wolf_b0i981

7 жыл бұрын

Maybe. Personally I got my fulfilment from Frodo waking up back in Minas Tirith with the other fellowship characters and Aragorn kissing Arwen. Everything else which happened after that just felt like winding down the story.

I think Nostalgia Critic summarized it best in that the problem with these five endings was the editing/fakeouts: the blacks outs and the zoom outs all make it seem as though it is about to end so many times that it brings you out of the story. Still needed, just needed to be edited a bit better?

@JustWrite

7 жыл бұрын

I pretty much agree with that.

@McSnezzly

6 жыл бұрын

Agreed but the editing wasn't too great in a lot of parts (i.e. Denethor's hallucination of Boromir) but at the same time I think I get it. The fade to black was almost a deep breath as well as a passage of time. As the source material was used, it could also be the cheapest way to film the end while being understood by the audience.

@jhibbitt1

6 жыл бұрын

that sums it up for me too. I hope that it was the editing that annoyed audiences rather than what was happening. because it kept doing things that made it look like it was about to end such as fading to black or zooming out or having the music slowly fade to silence

@darthnihilus1849

6 жыл бұрын

jhibbitt1 well it ended a couple times...one ending for the action heroes, one for the new world order, one for the hobbits, one for the Eldar ....

@dantedrowson2511

4 жыл бұрын

Thats so well put.. I agree

4:32 People laughed at that scene?

@Cyberspine

6 жыл бұрын

I never realized that aspect, I always thought Frodo was just concerned over how to tell Bilbo the ring is gone.

@Cyberspine

6 жыл бұрын

-_- waitingDAY Yeah it makes sense, that's how it has to be. I was very young when I first saw the movies and read the books, and it didn't dawn on me until much later that Gollum was close to breaking free of the ring, because Frodo believed in him.

@heratikknows3245

5 жыл бұрын

Sam Wise the brave is who made Gollum remain as he was. When he woke up and accused Gollum of sneaking. When in fact he was having second thoughts about taking Sam and Frodo through Cirith Ungol. He actually strokes Frodo while hes sleeping.. As Gandalf said..'' Smeagols life was a sad story.''

@mercurydude

5 жыл бұрын

I saw it in the theater and yeah, everyone got a laugh out of it. This is just the instant reaction when people aren't putting a lot of thought into it, noticing Frodo's reaction, etc.

@headphonic8

5 жыл бұрын

It is funny but it’s not funny in a “HAHA DUMB OLD IDIOT” way, but just amusing because Frodo went through so much. It was funny to see someone who didn’t really know what he went through ask him about it, and watch him lie since there was no way he could quickly explain all the trauma he just went through.

I’ve always thought the ROTK had the best movie ending to a franchise. It gives you time to see the characters. Ease yourself down from the ring being destroyed. Other franchises would’ve had them destroy the ring, have their meeting in the bed at Rivendell, and rolled the credits.

You need way more subs. Keep up the good work.

@JustWrite

9 жыл бұрын

ionplgr Thanks! I'm working on it!

@calvincandie9345

8 жыл бұрын

+Sage Rants While I am bumbed out that you don't like my favorite actor (Leo DiCaprio) and that you were not a fan of The Revenant (a movie I now see as the best movie ever made) I still love your videos and I think you are one of the best youtubers around! Keep up the good work!

@IzadoraKatarina

7 жыл бұрын

just got a new one :) keep up the amazing work! you're wonderfully insightful

I will respectfully disagree with you on leaving out "the Scouring of The Shire" That chapter was the summation of what Tolkein wrote about; that everything changes after war..even the Shire. Frodo came home to what he believed was something untouched...it was not. If Peter Jackson left it in, it would have given Frodo's smile (of which I agree that's the actual journeys' end) a deeper and fully understood meaning. but that's my .02$

@animegirl16091

6 жыл бұрын

Thomas Korn I agree

@jamesrogers1391

5 жыл бұрын

Another thing that chapter does is move the people of the Shire into engagement with the broader world. The hobbits of the fellowship return and model the virtues of adventurous, engaged life by being the tips of the spears that drive out Saruman, and they also enable the other hobbits to find out the true quality of their collective and individual characters. And once Saruman is defeated, the Shire actually becomes a better place. It is important that the heroes return to share the benefits of their victory with the community. Jackson's decision to leave out the Scouring of the Shire betrayed that important step a little. But, of course, unsung heroes are noble too, and that is what Jackson gives us in his adaption.

@jaojao1768

5 жыл бұрын

I think it has a greater effect in the books than it would have in the movies since as book readers we have already seen Bilbo come back to an untouched Shire from his adventure

@MintyCanRead

5 жыл бұрын

I wasn't really a fan of it in the book. It's true that it shows that war reaches every corner, but I also felt it distracted from the personal growth of the four Hobbits. In the movies, they come home to a Shire that's unchanged, but that allows you to see the effects of the saga on these characters. It's like a war vet coming home to a country that's the same as when they left, but they've changed so much inside that they never see life the same way. You also see more clearly how much the ring wounded Frodo and Sam. The Shire is as peaceful and beautiful as ever, but it does nothing for the unrest in Frodo's heart. It's harder to show that when Frodo's back to running around wielding a sword.

@abhinavtiku4501

5 жыл бұрын

My first reaction when I read that portion of the book was utter disbelief. I had spent the entire time in the belief that the Shire would remain untouched. Then all of a sudden, it's Saruman's industrial fiefdom. It cut my legs out from under me. Looking back, it was an incredibly truthful ending to a story written by a man who lived the terror of the Somme. Nothing is unscathed by war.

You are spot on. The ending is not long, it's just perfect. Frodo's depression after the ring is destroyed is incredibly emotional and powerful. I almost wish it was longer. Or have it's own mini movie prequel.

the ending in the book was way longer. Unfortunately the pivotal scouring of the shire was left out

@kreia187

3 жыл бұрын

@theanonymous memester I have to agree. As much as i love the books and want the films to be as close to them as possible, you have to recognize the difference between the two types of media. In a movie you have much less time and have to pay much closer attention to the development of rising and falling tension. After the big bang that is the destruction of the ring, adding in another conflict in the end, seemingly out of nowhere (the films wouldn't have time to set it up anyway) might work in a book, but in a movie would be just completely out of place. It is unfortunate that in deleting this scene, the message of war having terrible repercussions right to your doorstep, even in the most innocent of places regardless of if you win or lose, is somewhat lost, although i think they did quite well, showing that in the second movie with rohan being raided, aswell as frodo and sam being changed as a person so much upon their return.

@DragonRaiderX9

3 жыл бұрын

@@kreia187 You raise excellent points regarding the Scouring of the Shire's worth in the books. Please permit me to add one more. It related to themes of isolationism that are prevalent throughout LotR. Which is mentioned as early as the chapter "Three is Company" from Fellowship. The elf that Frodo meets says directly that The Shire is part of the greater world, whether they like it or not, and they can't fence it out forever. The Shire was never as pure as it's often depicted. Every town of hobbits considers every other town of hobbits to be a bunch of weirdos, and that only their own town has respectable hobbits. An isolated region was slowly breaking down into smaller, more isolated communities. Which is exactly what Saruman preyed on. Saruman, ultimately, was defeated by four hobbits that did not stay in their own lane. Who were worldly and experienced, and did not readily discount the ways of others. The Shire was not returned to what it was before, but filled with new plantlife from the gift Sam brought home. And honestly, I think that's kind of beautiful.

Time to be nitpicky: I'd argue that Frodo's choice to abandon Charadras and move through Moria is story driving =p We see him act as a common hobbit for one of the last times, choosing comfort over hardship, even knowing that said hardship was a better choice. As a result of his allowing the longing for comfort to overcome the good sense that was following Gandalf's advice, Frodo ends up seeing a friend die and going through a much harder experience than he had signed up for. Later on we never again see Frodo letting the common hobbit love for comfort before all things control his decisions, he doesn't stall before leaving the Fellowship alone and even initially rejects the idea of a helper. Frodo grew at the loss of Gandalf in a manner he would have not if they had crossed the mountains as intended.

@Specoups

5 жыл бұрын

The entire Moria fuck up with goblins and the Balrog was an accident. While it was risky to cross it, it was totally possible to do so without being noticed, and still better than falling from a mountainside. Gandalf knew it, and Frodo was aware that Charadras was a no-go.

@CmrSchmidlap

4 жыл бұрын

I don't think Moria for Caradras was 'the comfortable way out'. Gandalf was afraid Saruman had already calculated his every move. By leaving the decision up to Frodo, Gandalf neutralized the advantage Saruman had from knowing his mind.

My main issue with the ending was the black screens between the different sections--so it looks, sounds, and feels like the transition between the last scene and rolling the credits. Remember, this movie is well over 3 hours, so pretending the movie is over and then it ISN'T over for another 15 minutes is seriously just taunting your bladder when you see it in the theatre. And THEN you keep getting sucker-punched with the feels, so you leave the theatre rushing for the nearest restroom and trying to look like you weren't bawling during an action/adventure movie.

@Serai3

6 жыл бұрын

I agree, they should have found a more graceful way to handle the transitions.

@kiprs

6 жыл бұрын

I never found watching that ending to be frustrating. I actually don't know if my dad came up with this himself or read it somewhere, but when he introduced me to LOTR when I was a kid, he explained that all those black screens are points at which you, the viewer, can choose your own ending. I think the reason, as you put it, it feels like it's "pretending the movie is over", is because all the black screens could very well be where the film ends and it wouldn't be that huge of a deal. But, as JustWrite put it, the actual story ends with Frodo getting on the ship.

@galenusv7831

5 жыл бұрын

I think the black screens were amazing. Especially right before the eagles appeared to recover Sam and Frodo. THAT black screen was absolutely brilliant. It wouldn't be the same without it.

"You bow to no one..." - Literally a shock through the body, hairs rising and my eyes feeling wet. Less than a fucking second. I should really rewatch this. It's been years. I almost feel ashamed.

@Serai3

3 жыл бұрын

I burst into tears the first time I saw that. There was enthusiastic applause from the audience - it felt so right and fitting.

"The jubilation... fades". And yet when Frodo sees Sam, he feels an even deeper kind of joy: that of remembering the true friendship he has established with Sam after all they've been through together.

I feel that Frodo's jubilation didn't fade because he was brought back to reality. I feel like, seeing Sam, good Ol' Sam, was just such a pure moment. They made it together. They survived. Together. That's a special kind of brotherhood.

I completely agree. It infuriates me when people whine about the ending. "It has too many endings!" I only counted one ending, when it said "THE END".

I remember when watching the film the audience began to get a little restless after the 3rd fade out or so, but I think if you know there's more to come or at least rewatch the film, you see the utter brilliance of all the endings. I'm glad to hear more people like it and cry buckets. No matter how many times I've rewatched ROTK, once Sam says he can't carry the ring but he can carry Frodo, the tears begin and basically don't stop! From them laying on the rock in each other's arms, the reunion, the bowing, Frodo leaving and turning around and smiling, Sam with his beautiful family... just TEARS!

The scouring of the Shire was actually my favorite part of the whole series, though. They cut it for the same reason they cut old Tom Bombadil out. Run time. It has no impact on the rest of the plot, so cutting it for the sake of run time is an easy decision.

@mastick5106

4 жыл бұрын

Not to mention the time to develop more characters. The scouring of the shire would have been far too weak without at least some of the main actors other than Frodo, Sam, Merry and Pippin, but then you need time to introduce them. Same reason that, in The Two Towers, the elves came to reinforce King Theoden's men at Helms Deep while Eomer and his men were in exile, only to brought in as the (literal) cavalry to save the day by Gandalf - following the book and having Eomer at Helm's Deep instead of the elves would have meant they'd need to spend extra time to introduce Erkenbrand so his timely arrival wouldn't be a _deus ex machina._

@hyperion3145

4 жыл бұрын

mastick The Scouring of The Shire is at the end of the story, long after the hobbits are introduced and developed

@mastick5106

4 жыл бұрын

@@hyperion3145 I don't think you picked up my point. The hobbits _en masse_ are introduced, and the main four (Frodo, Sam, Merry, and Pippin) developed well before where the Scouring of the Shire would have come in the films had they included it. But Tom Cotton (Rosie's father) plays a major part in the Scouring, and Lobelia Sackville-Baggins' character development is also a big part (in impact if not in total words). Without them, especially Lobelia, I think the story of it would have been far too weakened to be worth including.

@picardisnotamused67

3 жыл бұрын

I know it’s so awsome

@Serai3

3 жыл бұрын

Cutting out the Scouring actually makes the ending more poignant, as the hobbits go back to being just ordinary hobbits, rather than heroes who saved the Shire. That scene in the bar where they all look at each other, knowing that nobody in the Shire knows what happened - it kills me every time.

4:53 that freakin' score. It's been years since I've seen the movies and I think that score pays off so much after seeing all the films. It's sad, memorable, freeing, and sweet,

@aiiiia9971

4 жыл бұрын

yes UGH IT Gets me right here ❤

@Serai3

3 жыл бұрын

Most people have no idea how incredibly important soundtracks are. Music literally tells you _what_ to feel during a film. Years ago, I got to see a screening of a movie that didn't have a soundtrack yet, and weirdly enough, I had no idea what kind of movie it was supposed to be. Was that supposed to be funny? Was that a joke? Is this a comedy or not? It wasn't until I saw the film on release that I realized _nothing_ about it was supposed to be funny, and it was the music that told me that. If you ever have the chance to do that, jump at it. It's an incredible lesson in filmmaking!

RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK is another good example of a movie where the climaxes of both the plot and the story happen at the same time. The plot is about Indiana Jones in a race to find the Ark of the Covenant before the Nazis. The story as it's presented is a continuous game of oneupsmanship between Indy and Belloq, his rival and as (Belloq himself puts it) his "shadowy reflection". From the opening and throughout the movie Indy gains an artifact, and Belloq through shadier methods steals it away. It's a constant back and forth between them and even Marion gets caught in it with Belloq tries to take her from him. The plot climaxes with the Ark finally being opened and unleashing the wrath of God on the Nazis. Simultaneously the story climax is Indy survives because he closes his eyes and doesn't look at it, while Belloq does and is destroyed. Also while the plots of both RAIDERS and INDIANA JONES AND THE LAST CRUSADE are similar(Indy races against the Nazis to find a powerful religious artifact), the story is different. LAST CRUSADE is about Indiana Jones repairing relationship with his estranged father. The climax of the plot is when the antagonist, Donavan drinks from the false grail and is destroyed. The climax of the story is Indy's dad finally calling Indy by his chosen name and not "Junior" and telling him to let the Holy Grail(the thing Henry Sr has been searching for his whole life) to let it go and drop into a chasm.

@jeffersonellis7195

4 жыл бұрын

I think the story climax of Raiders is deeper than that. It's about faith. Indy didn't believe in the powers of the Ark, he was motivated by personal reasons (Prof. Ravenwood) but that all changed when he finally had an "arc" of his own when he told Marion to close her eyes as the Ark was opened.

What? There are people who think TLOFR ending is too long? I have never heard anyone say that, seriously. I think people who would say that are people who wouldn't bother watching the entire trilogy to begin with.

@Rivershield

4 жыл бұрын

@Gary Allen Who is this guys?

@mastick5106

4 жыл бұрын

The only "too long" I EVER heard in relation to the movies was after The Fellowship of The Ring, when I overheard a guy at the theater say he was running out the next day to buy the books because two years was too long to wait to find out how it ended.

@masterking1427

4 жыл бұрын

@@honestjohn3865 People who said about multiple endings clearly haven't read the book. Tolkien was literally spanning more than 100 pages for ending(s).

@ragejoona431

4 жыл бұрын

The most common criticism regarding the ending is that when adaptin a book to a movie, you should make some changes, and the ending shouldn't drag on like that after the final battle is over. While I understand where this is coming from, these people should try to understand that every single moment from that ending is important to conclude all the things that were still open after the destruction of The Ring. If they had ended immediately, it would've been like The Hobbit trilogy where almost nothing has a conclusion after the battle is over.

@harmoniouserhu110

3 жыл бұрын

Rivershield Imagine if PJ had included the scouring of the shire in the trilogy, audience had walked out from the theater in the middle of the movie!! XDDD

The most tear jerking moment for me is actually in The Two Towers, when king Theoden weeps at his son's grave and says: "No parent should have to bury his own child" :-( The endings are more heartwarming for me :)

Similarly, I don't understand why people hate on Fury Road for having "no story". There is more character development there than in all four Transformers combined! Yes that doesn't say much, but every character in Mad Max was a well made character with actual motivation and story that drive the plot.

@CmrSchmidlap

4 жыл бұрын

I didn't like it. I don't think an egalitarian society is automatically more virtuous than a warlike survivalist tribe in a post-apocalyptic reality. so I don't really get why we're supposed to root for the 'good guys' in mad max

agree. I'm so tired of people saying the ending is too long

Not just the ending but the ending credits are brilliant as well. The combination of the song Into the West and the portraits of all the characters makes me teary every time.

@baguettegott3409

4 жыл бұрын

Yes. I usually cry right through "into the west", and when the song is over I get up to turn the TV off, thinking I'm done with crying... And then the shire theme plays again. Instantly in tears, can't help it.

The musical piece for Frodo's leaving is so amazing and perfect for what the tone of the scene represents It's the perfect mix of happiness and depression all at once

I love the ending of Return of the King! I think it's probably the best ending ever because it gives an epic story a satisfactory conclusion. I usually feel endings are underwhelming and wish more were as long as this one.

Return of the King of Analysis. Nice job!

Gotta be honest, my favourite part of the movie is the: Never thought I'd die fighting side by side with an elf. Line.

really? you're going to use ragtime as the background music instead of THE FUCKING AMAZING SOUNDTRACK OF LORD OF THE RINGS??

@1ManCristian

5 жыл бұрын

that music is so fucking annoying

@guidoferri8683

5 жыл бұрын

What about copyright

@Serai3

3 жыл бұрын

Oh, do you WANT the video to get pulled by YT? The soundtrack is copyrighted, so the video could get a strike against it. Happens all the time.

I love the multiple endings of ROTK, and I only ever watch the extended editions, I haven't bothered with the cinematic versions since first seeing them.

Thank you! You've more than earned my sub. I'm always glad to find people who actually understand films and film making.

Things I love more than life itself: 5) Music. (Into the West is the last song I listened to before my Dad died 5 minutes later.) 4) My cats. 3) The Return of the King. 2) The Two Towers. 1) The Fellowship of the Ring.

When I first saw the movie in theaters, it was a weird ending, I was waiting for Frodo to smile. It took a lot of time for him to actually do it and it left something in me. I connected with him in a way. I thought, at that period of my life, that I was more like Sam. But I felt sympathy for Frodo when he described a faraway land that he could never really go back to. Things would never be normal again for him and that affected me.

Frodo’s smile will always be one of the most emotional moments in film. He was finally able to triumph over the evil that haunted him for years. So philosophically powerful that it shakes you to your very core; that it’s possible to feel true happiness because you have friends who love you, even after living through utter hell. It’s also like Sam’s speech “That there’s some good in this world, Mr. Frodo, and it’s worth fighting for”.

@aiiiia9971

4 жыл бұрын

Yesss something tells me these things really stuck with me

Of the whole trilogy, Return is probably my favorite movie for the reasons mentioned in the video.

Most emotional scenes in LOTR: I cant carry it for you, but i can carry you. You bow to no one. Sams speech at the end og the two towers. Ride of the rohirim. Every scene in the trilogy!

THANK YOU for making this! I remember sitting in the theatre watching this completely rapt, willing it to never end hahaha. I always thought I was biased because my favorite parts of stories are the beginnings and the ends and I am always sad when the endings are cut too short. But I am happy to see that not EVERYONE hates the long ending! It's a trilogy, you can't just cut it off!

I know this is an old video, but this channel is exactly the type of content I've been looking for. Thanks!

Now I love the ending even more!

I thought you were going to talk about the LOTR books haha

@MrSubscriber77

4 жыл бұрын

With a thumbnail from the films...

@picardisnotamused67

3 жыл бұрын

He should have

Just rewatched the trilogy and this essay came to mind at the ending. I appreciate the point you're trying to make, but Frodo actually does smile a few times before the very end: when they arrive home, when Sam makes his move with Rosie, and at Sam and Rosie's wedding. I get the point you're trying to make, but it's up to interpretation, of course, because he does show happiness before his story ends.

AMEN!!! This is what I've wanted to say for the longest time! No one should ever say that Return of the King's ending is too long.

I just discovered your channel and it is awesome! Keep the work going, Man!

Peter Jackson is at home smiling of happiness saying "someone understood" 😥

Wow. Really eye opening. A very clear explanation of the difference between plot and story, I love it. Your videos are so excellent.

I think the problem with the ending of RotK was that it wasn't long enough. This would have been ballsy as hell, but I kinda wish Jackson had destroyed the ring at the two-hour mark, then let the post-war come-down with all our characters play out over the course of the final hour. Have them talk to each other in Minas Tirith about their battle scars (their internal ones as well as their literal ones), give Theoden his funeral, have the wedding of Faramir and Eowyn, a build-up to Aragorn's coronation, a last moment with Gimli and Legolas, the journey back to the Shire, etc. The problem with the ending of RotK as it stands is that it's a lot of character climaxes rushed into 20 minutes after 3 hours of epic, apocalyptic showdowns - ironically enough, giving it the feeling that it takes too long to end. Those moments needed more time to breathe.

@domagoj905

6 жыл бұрын

One of my favourite things from the books was the relationship between Gimli and Legolas. The movie did it justice, but not in the end sadly. I need to watch these movies again.

@scaper8

6 жыл бұрын

I would kind of like to see that, but I doubt that it would work for more casual fans. And I'm almost certain that the film would not be the crowing achievement in pop culture that it ended up being.

Damn, this is actually really, really, interesting. One thing, though - personally, I'd call the two sections 'plot' and 'character' lines. 'Story', for me, is the entire thing overall, all aspects included.

People who wanted it to end quickly forget that it isn't just one film/book.... its the culmination of 3. That can't just end. I agree about the cuts adding to the drawn out feeling, but overall, I'm very grateful for this video. The end of this single film and trilogy needs a good defense, and you gave it 👍

Wait, people actually think the ending of RotK is too long? I mean, it's literally tying up all of the plot threads - that's what it's supposed to do?

@aiiiia9971

4 жыл бұрын

ikr =.=

Dear sir, thankyou for this video. It has assuaged the aggravation I have had stir in me for 14 years, every time I have heard someone complain about LOTR, and use that irksome phrase of it "having too many endings". Because I adore the ending! I remember the moment of being in the cinemas, after the ring is destroyed, and Frodo and Sam coming out to sit on that rock, and Frodo declaring it was done, then embracing Sam and the screen fading to black; I remember so clearly in that moment my body tensing up and my inner voice screaming "Don't let that be the end! Don't let that be the end! Pllllleeeaase, let that not be the end!", because it would have been so unsatisfying to me. It would've ruined the movies for me, somewhat. I cared about the characters. The ring was just a device to push the characters along in all they did. I didn't watch it for the ring to be destroyed. I watched it for the characters. I personally find the ending perfect. I left the cinema satisfied (and crying like a baby). And now that I've seen The Hobbit, the ending is even more perfect, because it gave a resolution to Bilbo's character as well! Anyway, I've rambled enough. It was just such a delight to watch a video on the subject, and hear someone else say everything what I feel about it - but more succinctly, haha.

Wow... you changed my opinion, and earned a subscriber.

Thanks this was really helpful in clearing some of my confusions about Plot Vs Story.

As a fellow writer who's just discovered your channel, my hat is off to you for the wonderful analysis. Cheers.

-What's your favorite movie? -The Lord of the Rings. -Oh yeah? which one? -The Lord of the Rings.

I always saw Frodo’s expression as like, he’s playing with the other hobbits and it’s all fun and games, and then Sam walks in and he stops and looks at him as to say ‘oh my dear Sam, I appreciate everything you’ve done’, or something close to that measure

@Serai3

3 жыл бұрын

It's genius how the scriptwriters sewed up the whole betrayal and redemption part of the plot with just a look between loving friends. "Show, don't tell," indeed.

So illuminating - I've always confused story and plot and now I understand so much better!

Thank you for this perspective I personally never thought it was long, but this video has let me see the value of this scene

Very well done and appreciated.

@JustWrite

9 жыл бұрын

paulsinob Thank you!

“Themes define the story.” Dan and Dave : “Themes are for 8th grade book reports” Riiiiight.

@baguettegott3409

4 жыл бұрын

And that's why KZread is filled to the brim with video essays about how great LOTR was and video essays about why season 8 sucked

Excellent review man! Well put together analysis and thought provoking review of film structure overall.

I watched the lord of the rings when i was very young. i hadnt the emotions which i have today, and i wasnt beable to think like im thinking today... watching the lord of the rings over and over gives me goosebumbs everytime, because now i think different and can emagine the pain and happyness, they have and the fears they had to get over. Nowadays i feel the same like frodo and sam. or even like boromir (I still dont like him). I know what it means to leave something behind or lose friends, even if i didnt really knew them or i just met. The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit is like an world i really want to be in and dont want to be. A World full of Beauty, Friendship and trust and full of Sadness, hate and fears. But when i think about the emotions the charakters have at the moment and what they could think in moments of peace or war is calming to me. because now i know, it is normal to think about such things in different ways. Tolkien made a world, people can relate to. Destroying something everybodys hate but you could never do, cause you love it to much and it makes you feel good without knowing that its bad for you knows nearly everybody of us (i think). Hearing the Soundtrack is like diving deeper and deeper in the world of Lord of The rings. The Soundtrack combines all aspects of Tolkiens world. The Fears, The War, The peaceful moments, nearly everything you can find in this world, charakters and all antagonists and gives us a world we can relate to and can dream of. And the way the story is written (told) is just one big masterpiece and the peoples which are complaining about the lenght of all 3 movies dont really know how to appreciate This Story. Still my favorite movies and books And... sorry for my english ^^