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@InAeternumRomaMater

2 жыл бұрын

Burebista was also assassinated in the same day as Caesar, so could you maybe make a video about Burebista or with Dacia??

@nicolaspinto76

2 жыл бұрын

Also, Davia divided after the death of Burebista

@DimBeam1

2 жыл бұрын

Scam

@InAeternumRomaMater

2 жыл бұрын

@@DimBeam1 What??

@InAeternumRomaMater

2 жыл бұрын

@@nicolaspinto76 That's true, so if he would make a video about Burebista and how Dacia was again divided maybe we will see another video about Decebalus and how he united Dacia again and his raids in Dobrogea.

He planned conquests to one-up Alexander and he was one of the few that could possibly succeed in that.

@dharmapersona2084

2 жыл бұрын

So he was planning to invade entire middle east till Sindh?

@theicepickthatkilledtrotsk658

2 жыл бұрын

@@dharmapersona2084 Plutarch in “Parallel Lives” wrote that Caesar planned first to conquer Dacia then invade Parthia, after Parthia was subdued he would then continue to Scythia and up to Germania before finally returning to Rome

@sychoboy12345

2 жыл бұрын

@@dharmapersona2084 He had plans to take lands equivalent to the empire of Alexander; not plans to take the exact same lands.

@ozgurceltikci9106

2 жыл бұрын

@@theicepickthatkilledtrotsk658 Anti-clockwise military campaign at its finest that would have been!

@torikeqi8710

2 жыл бұрын

@@sychoboy12345 If you mean he planned to conquer more lands equivalent to the empire of Alexander maybe, because the Roman Republic was already as large as the empire of Alexander.

There is a fun book to read called "what if" talks about all sorts of possible alternative history based on huge events going differently.

@chrisqw5272

2 жыл бұрын

Link

@jonasadrielreyes8790

2 жыл бұрын

Link bro

@HistoryfortheAges

2 жыл бұрын

So I tried adding the link a couple times, but it won't save. To find it just look up "What If" edited by Robert Cowley

@chrisqw5272

2 жыл бұрын

@@HistoryfortheAges thank you

@HistoryfortheAges

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrisqw5272 you're welcome. It's a fun read! By the way I have a ton of content on my channel if you want to take a look.

One thing to consider is the near fanatical levels of loyalty and respect Caesar’s troops had for him. Many of them trusted him completely. This allowed Caesar to employ unorthodox and sometimes reckless strategies simply because his enemies did not expect him or his soldiers to move so boldly

“Men at some time are masters of their fates. The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves, that we are underlings.” ― William Shakespeare,

@TubeYou138

2 жыл бұрын

"Look at the tatties on that. A bet ya don't get many of them ta the pound wor kid" - Phil from the pub

I miss the mentioning of Ceasarion here. he could have totally changed everything if Ceasar lived long enough.

@alex_zetsu

Жыл бұрын

No not really. Roman law was quite clear, it doesn't matter who the biological father of a child is, his heir is the child of his wife. If a father thinks it is "suspicious" he has the right to order his wife to abandon the child, but otherwise it's totally his. Since Ptolemy XIV Philopator didn't question where Ptolemy XV aka Caesarion came from, meant it was clear he was legally the child of Cleopatra and Ptolemy XIV. The fact that the Roman historians gave him the nickname Caesarion or "little Cesar" shows they might have an inkling where he came from, but legally it was irrelevant. It was clear from Roman law Octavius (the name he had before legally changing it to "Gaius Julius Caesar", so we often call him "Octavian" or "guy who used to have the name Octavius") was Caesar's legal heir.

7:40 Julius Caesar could've formed an alliance with the Scythians to invade Parthia similar to how Heraclius allied the Göktürks against the Sassanids

@ryansmith8345

2 жыл бұрын

Except that unlike Gokturks the Scythians were Iranians themselves just from a different branch like the Persians , the Medes , Alans/Samaritans & the Parthians....... So it's very unlikely.

@nenenindonu

2 жыл бұрын

@@ryansmith8345 Scythians were Indo-European but not exclusively Iranian hence they couldnt care less about such a nationalistic approach, apart from that there have been various encounters where Iranians fought eachother since ethno-nationalism wasnt a trend in the ancient and medieval ages

@antidweller6373

2 жыл бұрын

@@ryansmith8345 So ? Greeks fought against Greeks, Russians fight Ukrainians and South Koreans fought North Koreans.

@viraloracle5151

2 жыл бұрын

@@nenenindonu parthians themselves are a branch of scythians (saka parni branch of scythians) who lived in iran... so i doubt the scythians living in eastern europe would unite with rome to attack a fellow scythian tribe (The Parthians). (Parthians are originally Iranic scythians the parni tribe of the Saka who migrated to north-east of iran, that part of Iran then became known as Parthia once the parthians settled there , later they overthrowed the seleucids in Iran and became the rulers of Iran) just google "Are Parthians Scythians ?" and you see what im talking about.

@papazataklaattiranimam

2 жыл бұрын

@@nenenindonu Western Iranians definitely don't understand eastern Iranians but they claim to be the same people :-)

Something more likely to have happened is that the succession process could have have had more time to solidify. Between the still living Caesar and Octavian, they could have made sure men like Tiberius, Caligula, and Nero wouldn't have come to power.

@someromaboo

2 жыл бұрын

I mean Tiberius becoming was a freak accident in the first place, literally all other heirs died in accidents or of illness. So much so that people to this day still believe that Livia killed them, which is weird considering that it includes Tiberius' own brother. Even then when he cared to rule Tiberius was a proper emperor, he was a good administrator and left the imperial treasury with a substantial surplus. He wasn't rainbow and sunshine but I wouldn't place him on the same level as a Nero who actually did damage the empire with his public spendings and certainly not an absolute disaster like Caligula.

@mertcanhacfazloglu4862

2 жыл бұрын

I would argue against Caligula. Until his weird illness that put him in a sick state for months, he was actually a great emperor. It was a short period obviously but people loved him, everybody loved him. I believe he became mentally ill after that

@shafqatishan437

2 жыл бұрын

Germanicus would've made a great emperor instead of Tiberius, however on that case it's still likely he would've chosen his son Caligula as his successor instead of his brother Claudius. I see the history unfolding similarly on that scenario. You need someway to alter the reigns of Nero and later Commodus.

@FormulaVase-kp3dc

2 жыл бұрын

@@shafqatishan437 Germanicus had several sons. What makes you think he would have solely chosen Caligula to be his heir.

@anoymous9565

17 күн бұрын

Tiberius was decent, Nero was mediocre.

If Julius Caesar had not been assassinated, the Republic would probably still have collapsed just in another generation or two, and there would be different emperors. Julius Caesar did not set out to make himself king or emperor and in fact was about to leave Rome for an expedition against the Parthians. There was a chance he would never return from this expedition,

@Friendship1nmillion

2 жыл бұрын

🤷 : Maybe. 🤳🇦🇺🇳🇴

@joeywheelerii9136

2 жыл бұрын

@Leo The British-Eurasian eh I'd say Sulla did that

@DavidCaveperson

2 жыл бұрын

The collapse of the Republic was far more cultural than political. Having expanded and appropriated gods and literature from east to west, hero worship became the most uniting element behind those driving the military industrial complex

@DavidCaveperson

2 жыл бұрын

It's similar to what happened to the Hebrews under the consolidation of the tribes under Saul, David, Solomon, and the clusterfuck that followed. At first a confederation with ideals about justice became an empire with ideas of cultural supremacy. It happens time and time again in history, from Napoleon to Hitler, and all the revolutions in between

@RexGalilae

2 жыл бұрын

What makes you think he wouldn't return from Parthia? Lesser Roman generals and emperors managed to sack Ctesiphon even against the more powerful Sassanids

Caesar regretted being killed at the height of his career. History would be completely different if his plans were to be carried out. Such a genius would go much further than Trajan in 2 centuries.

@rdelrosso1973

10 ай бұрын

Would Julius Caesar have lived for 2 Centuries?

I think an as important man as this not dying at that point would've changed everything and through the Butterfly effect would've altered the history drastically!

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@theicepickthatkilledtrotsk658

2 жыл бұрын

Invicta still has not finished his series about it lol.

@PakBallandSami

2 жыл бұрын

@Leo The British-Eurasian kzread.info/dash/bejne/Yqep0KSMo7S8aKg.html

@theicepickthatkilledtrotsk658

2 жыл бұрын

@Leo The British-Eurasian *years

King Burebista died at about the same time as Caesar, also as a victim of a plot.

@grahamperkins6835

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah a few days after, one can speculate that the aristocracy might not have killed burebista with the looming threat of Caesar on their doorstep and to rob themselves of a unified defense would have been self-destructive

Military technology of Dacia was way lower at the time of Cesar, than the time of Trajan. By Trajan's time, the Romans had already allowed it's artillery and building tech to leak to neighboring tribes / empires

Great video. You shoukd really start a what if series. I like the fact that you make this timeline as realistic as possible and I generally would like to see more of this realistic style of what if

Only slight criticism here Burbista was assassinated not long after Caesar was which led to a civil war there and the reason it was so hard for Trajan to conquer Dacia was because Roman money was sent to Dacia in order to build fortifications and for Parthia Caesar would have may not been able to conquer all of Parthia but he knew how to defeat Parthians and even if he did he would likely make his heir Octavius to rule there sure these conquest would be hard but not too hard for Caesar Edit: Octavian was confirmed to be Caesar’s heir though Mark Antony would save his life it would not be enough to be a possibility especially for all the crazy things he did while Caesar was in Egypt

fascinating video. i have to disagree on the fact that Caesar might have chosen Marcus Antonius as his successor. Caesar left him in charge of Rome many times while he was fighting the Optimates. every time; Marcus would fail to keep Rome on friendly terms. most times, Caesar would have to come back to Rome to do what Marcus could not. without any legions. Caesar was a military genius but also a brilliant politician. well... i say so, due to his reforms. what he envisioned was the foundation upon which Octavius built the empire. Marcus was a good general, but nothing more. and really bad at politics. it seems Octavius almost fell out of favor with Caesar ... since he was always sickly. but his tenacity and will power plus his political inclination made Caesar appoint him, not Marcus. Thus, the Republic would still remain as it was, corrupt, decadent, with a dictator that the Senate hated pretty soon and branded a traitor. it was Octavius who saved him from this, as well as his political mind that reformed the Republic into an Empire.

@Conorp77

2 жыл бұрын

Labienus, Anthony and Decimus all let him down in some way. Who else was left?

@InfernosReaper

2 жыл бұрын

it's almost as if they would've done better to stay allies and work together and with a clearly stated line of succession, they might well have. The real outcome of succession may be determined by *how* Caesar overcame the assassination issue.

@amadeusvult1638

2 жыл бұрын

@@Conorp77 Lepidus

@LeCheekClap

2 жыл бұрын

Ehhh, Ceaser would like people in power he had an active handle on. Mark Antony was directly under his thumb. Either Him or Lepidus.

One thing you forgot in Dacia is that Burabista was assassinated the same or the year before Caesar, which led to the collapse of Dacia. So he could've very easily exploited that and taken over the region

@sticlavoda5632

Жыл бұрын

That was an act influenced by the death of Ceasar. Because Ceasar was killed, the Dacians saw no reason to fear the Roman threat anymore, and so the king was murdered also. If the tribal leaders had no reason to subjugate themselves, why would they?

I’ve always wondered this. Thanks for the video!

*Years ago, Invicta made a series on his channel exploring a 'What-if-Caesar-was-not-assassinated' scenario. Sadly, he has long since abandoned it.*

@CH-zc8qx

2 жыл бұрын

Invicta just uploaded the finale of that series on April 1. Check it out if you haven't :D

@monadsingleton9324

2 жыл бұрын

@@CH-zc8qx I already know about it. It's an April Fool's Joke.

@johnmachenzie1613

Жыл бұрын

@@monadsingleton9324 bruh

@monadsingleton9324

Жыл бұрын

@@johnmachenzie1613 Posted the OG comment before Invicta picked it up again and finished it, bruh.

@johnmachenzie1613

Жыл бұрын

@@monadsingleton9324 Hahaha lets go, at least I can now watch it one time

Thank you so much for uploading this video. It is helping me get through the pandemic!

Great documentary!

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Caesar would have conquered Dacia. His ability to maneuver and use engineering in warfare was unmatched.

@acmusic9974

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately for you, I disagree. The Dacians were superior in weapon technology and strategy. Caesar was able to conquer Dacia only by surprise attack. If Dacia was an aggressive empire, Rome would have been no more. Why? Because even history says that, even tho the Dacians were 250k, and Rome about 300k, Dacians were capable to take out the entire Roman Empire, due to the fact that Rome had only offensive strategies and no defensive. Rome was not built for defensive operations. Also, the Dacian Falx Sword was so effective at piercing Roman helmets, that they were modified to mitigate the damage from the deadly weapon.

@LegioXXI

Жыл бұрын

@@acmusic9974 What a bunch of nonsense. At the time of Caesar and Augustus Rome was the ultimative, unmatched powerhouse of Europe and if they didn't waste this power on huge, expensive and deadly civil wars, Rome could have conquered everything they wanted within this era. I have no idea what "sources" you build your claims onto, but they don't seem very reliable. The numbers alone (250k Dacians and 300k Romans) are just complete bonkers.

@wankawanka3053

11 ай бұрын

@@acmusic9974 remember that the dacian ruler died around caesar's assasination so dacia would have been ready for the taking

@acmusic9974

11 ай бұрын

@@wankawanka3053 Read my comment again, kid.

@han-sooyoung

20 күн бұрын

@@acmusic9974 nice head canons kid.

There are few historical accurate videos about Dacia and its kings. It would be great to do a video about it

Nicely explained.

Great video!

More knowledge than I could ever ask for

I love this alternate scenario. Especially that opening!

Thanks again

If the assasination was foiled then surely the first thing to happen would've been proscriptions. A campaign in Dacia and/or Parthia. Cesarion made consul asap or given a governorship

@Classical.Conservative

2 жыл бұрын

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@benatbadiola9690

2 жыл бұрын

Why's your money on Cesarion? Augustus (Octavian) had already been named heir when the assasination took place, was older, thus a more "consensus" pick for consul. Just wondering

Very Nice ❤, Thanks.

Great video! Would you mind telling me what the music at the beginning is?

Gawd damn these vids are getting dangerously good

It's such a hard what-if to think about because Caesar was so cunning and unpredictable, but also lucky. I mean, could anyone possibly predict his Gaul campaign if they only knew history up to 58BC? How many people would have bet on Caesar to win the civil war, knowing only the events up to 49BC? What odds would people have given him to make it out of Alexandria alive? His whole career was a series of surprising events, which is why we still talk about him today.

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If Caesar survived he would be my favorite person in history

Congratulations for one milion, I remember when I first subscribed, you were just at 800K

I would love to see more what if videos like this, maybe the next time you do a video like this one, it could be what if Abraham Lincoln wasn’t assassinated. The idea could be is that the guard doesn’t leave his post or the plot is discovered before the assassination attempts on the President, Vice President, and Secretary of State can be carried out. I would like to see how similar or different the timeline would be from the original timeline if Lincoln was the one taking the reigns of the Reconstruction Period and wasn’t killed at Ford’s Theater.

Nice one! Do it with Alexander!

When it does come to scenarios like this you do hear very often he'd have them executed which I don't see as being out of line with his character but I recall another scenario being described where he does a public show of mercy as to further bolster his popularity and he basically puts the Assassins under house arrest under the pretext of needing to protect from the angry populous.

It's impressive how ancient military move throughout the continent on foot. Nowadays we use planes to move military around the continent.

One of the theoties is that his assasination was done by roughly the same conspirators who assasinated Burebista. They wanted to end the Dacian-Roman war before it could start. Both were capable of raising 150k+ soliders. It would have been the biggest collapse of forces in antiquity.

@nonamesleft3765

Жыл бұрын

that's fascinating! What's your source for this? I'm not doubting you, I would love to read more about this!

The fact that Rome expanded as far as it did without Caesar is incredible. Most empires often fall after its strongest leader is killed.

@adityazagade2043

5 ай бұрын

Yes !! Alexander the great and Napoleon bonaparte are the prime examples

you should make a series called what if and make a detailed what if cenario in histroy about differnet ways history couldve gone,id like every damn video i promise xD

What is the background music??? I know it is epidemic sounds but I would like to know the song name

The problem is even if Anthony had been inside there might have been much he could have done, as there was 60 or more conspirators and not just one. The reason Anthony wasn’t there is because they intentionally detained him outside to prevent him from trying to intervene. He originally fled Rome right after the assassination disguised as a slave fearing attacks on Caesar’s supporters. That had the conspirators original plan, but Brutus talked them out of it saying it would have been seen as a political purge that would have turned the Roman people against them. The Senate also failed see they the people wouldn’t support the assassination either, they believed the people would have supported it as they thought it would be seen as preventing another King of Rome. Interestingly Caesar was not going to go to the Senate meeting that morning and had sent Mark Anthony to disperse them. His wife had a dream the night before of his death and had convinced him not go, but one the conspirators came over and mocked him for “listening to a woman” and convinced him to go.

I would love to see you do the Anglo Dutch wars; unless you’ve already made one about it.

Or he would become emperor, conquer the world, discover America (which would be named Caesaria or something like that) and then he would prepare Rome for the space age

@dariobarboni9276

2 жыл бұрын

Glorious

Awesome please do more alternate history videos and regular history videos other alternate history vids you can do would be what if the Mughals reconquered all Lands that were under Mongol rule. What if Suleiman the magnificent didn’t kill his cabals sons and allowed one fo them to succeed him. What if Timur conquered China. What if Napoleons invasion of Russia succeeded. What if Germina was conquered by Rome. What if Alexander the Great past 32. What if there was a scramble for China or Latin America between the European powers or what if the confederacy won the American civil war. Have an amazing awesome day Knowledgia and awesome video keep up the great work.

Im from Romania and I want to share something with you. Something funny that can be true or not. On this teritorry of Romania lived 2 thousand years ago Dacians from Dacia, same name like the car we produce, now Renaul produced in our country still. In romanian language Dacia come from "de aici"-also short in archaism "de acia"- also used shorter still in our days like "da c'ia" MEANING _FROM HERE_. So I imagine, when romans come to conquer Dacia from Decebal, they ask first people whom they meet: "Where are you, guys, from?!", because it was a foreign land and most probably people answered "d'acia", meaning "from here". This hilarious for us, romanians! Is a monumemnt in Italy called Colonna Traiana (Columna lui Traian) build by Apolodor from Damasc, the same who build the bridge for romans to conquer Dacia. People should know Romania is multi ethnic group. We are a country only for 100 years. We fought eachother many many centuries and empires like Ottomans, Austro-Hungarians, Mongols, and Russians crushed us. We are very different culturally between Țara Românească (Wallachia), Moldova and Transilvania, mostly because the influences of those empires mentioned earlier. Moldova was influenced by Russians, Wallachia by Ottomans and Transilvania by Austro-hungarians. And in the end I want to say that Dobrogea, the exit to the Black was never to us, only in 14th century for a little period. We have a such beautiful country and big for a such a small people, imorals, thieves, criminals, rapists, pedophiles who scared Europe. Im sorry for that! And gipsies are only a small group in our country, around 5%-10%, but they leaved so many to western Europe and did so many bad things that no one ever wash our face again. Sorry again for being a filthy nasty criminal romanians, we deserve to disapier like people, but the beautiful land will survive. Bye bye!

I think Cesar first military objective was Parthia, then Dacia then the Marcomannic kingdom.

Interesting video.

He would be greater than Napoleon if he added Persia and Dacia to his resume and he also planned to finish conquering Germania all of which I can see him completing so long as he doesn't die early which the Senate killed him early

I like this channel but there are several key things missed. 1. Ceaser would have NEVER positioned Antony as his heir. Ceaser saw Antony as a blunt tool and knew he was totally inept in politics. After Ceaser's death he may be suggested as a successor by others but would never be positioned as such by Ceaser himself. 2. The Dacian campaign would have been much easier than stated in this video. The Dacians of Trajan were significantly more militarised than in Ceaser's time by a long shot. They had received Roman style training and equipment by this time as well as very strong fortifications built after Ceaser's time. Even if Ceaser was outnumbered that was almost exclusively the case for Ceaser in all his military engagements so would have almost been a non factor. 3. Although I agree in general that Ceaser would gave struggled in Parthia, if anyone was able to do it it would be Ceaser. That man is 1 in a million when it comes to military record and he had plenty of time to study Parthian tactics from his predecessors well documented defeats.

@InfernosReaper

2 жыл бұрын

after Dacia, he might've even scrapped Parthia and routed westward to pincer those pesky Germanic tribes after learning more about the geography of the area. It's honestly what I would've done to eliminate the barbarian incursions by getting rid of an established threat. With the benefit of hindsight, that would've helped keep back the huns and mongols.

@prs_81

2 жыл бұрын

@@InfernosReaper Rome had every reason to invade Parthia. Their humiliation at Carrhae had not been avenged yet and the eagle standards that were taken still not retrieved. Moreover, Parthia was extremely rich both agriculturally and trade wise (the silk road passed through all of its territory). Europe had none of these advantages. Caesar wasting his time in some thick German forests while the eagle standards of Crassus were still residing with the Parthian court, not a very sound political move either now is it?

Look at the Dacian Kingdom ,!!!

@cgt3704

2 жыл бұрын

I know. Its so beautiful

Gotta love all these people in the Commemts who are as certain of his plans as though they were mates with him.

As for a Parthian conquest, something Caesar did that was incredibly effective was actually working with and including the different Leadership classes of people he interacted with, say for example he beat the Parthian's enough times good chances are that they'd lose support from the Elite, while I don't necessarily see Caesar integrating them into Senate (they would certainly have not been as Romanised as the Gallic Leadership was) I could imagine him setting up a number of client states instead to help manage his conquered territory and provide him tribute, manpower and supplies for further conquests.

Julius Caesar would’ve conquered Parthia no doubt. His mind is extraordinary in terms of strategy and conquest.

@Boo-lr8fj

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. Could have conquered more territories than Alexander the Great if he wasn’t killed. A brilliant mind and a great leader.

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The impression I got from Adrian Goldsworthy is the unhealthiness of Caesar was overstated.

You know, this was actually quite surprising in how accurate it was, at least on the dacian portion (can't talk much about the other ones since I'm not as well-versed, and admittedly, not a historian, just interested in history, so take everything I say with a grain of salt): Far too many people, in my opinion, gloss over the Dacian portion of Caesar's little conquest-a-rama, acting like Dacia was some random backwater that would easily be conquered by the *great and glorious* Caesar, not giving it much thought. However, sadly, it's very likely that, due to the dacian part of his plans, Caesar would never even reach Parthia, as discussed in this video. To put just how hard it actually would be to conquer Dacia into context, let me elaborate further onto what's already explained in the video. As the video says, it took Trajan *two* wars, with *200k* men, to only conquer half of Dacia. What the video doesn't also mention is that there was a third war before Trajan, which was Dominitian's attempted conquest of Dacia, which I often find weirdly overlooked seeing how his total defeat in it is literally a major driving factor towards Dominitian's death and Trajan's ascension as Emperor. Due to how heavily the dacians, well, *dominated* , Dominitian, Trajan ended up changing the soldier's armors for one of the first times during the republics history, and alongside that, despite bringing what amounted to nearly the Empire's full might, including even auxiliaries from Africa, he was *still* forced to burn every forest on his path. And now, you might be wondering, "Why the hell did Trajan take so many precautions with Dacia? Isn't it just some random barbarian region?" and the answer is that, well, it's a bit more than that. Dacia's main advantage was it's highly hilly, mountainous of forested terrain, making it a pain to invade from anywhere, only rivalled in that aspect by Germany. The Dacians, as it turns out, were *stupidly* good guerilla fighters, which was only amplified all the more by their main choice of weaponry, which were the falx. Although not especially impressive in the end, the falx were practically perfect for killing a roman soldier by surprise, their backwards curve allowing a dacian warrior to hit around a roman's shield and maim them or directly pull the shield away, leaving an opportunity for another dacian or themself if they have time to strike at the roman. This would also be why Trajan had changed his soldiers' armors, making the armor cover more of the body since the dacians' surprise attacks could very easily maim or otherwise take a roman soldier out of commission, thus forcing them to use more armor simply to lower the risks of being maimed during a dacian ambush. As one can guess, this is also why Trajan decided to burn any forest in his path, because, as any american can tell you, the trees can speak, and if you speak latin? The trees speak dacian. So, not having napalm, Trajan did the next best thing to not get his army whittled down into nothingness. And.... well, this is why Caesar is fucked. While Trajan had 200k men, 2 wars, and a completely failed war from Dominitian to tell him what he needs to do to fight against the dacians and protect himself, Caesar had either none or much less of those, having only about 66k men in full in Greece (16 legions, each legion worth 3.5k men around that time, and 10k horsemen), and having no real foreknowledge of Dacia beyond some fights against dacian soldiers beyond a bit of fighting them during the civil war, however that would never prepare him for the real deal and might even only result in him being *more* overconfident in not realizing what he was getting himself into. Without any knowledge, against a Dacia likely a decent bit stronger than the one Trajan fought, ruled over by an even better general, with only a 4th of the men... Caesar's grave would either be Dacia, or wherever his enemies could assassinate him afterwards, as he'd almost certainly end up betrayed and killed by Rome for his failure, in similar fashion to Dominitian after his own total failure at defeating Dacia. Funnily so, it's very likely that the only thing this would *really* accomplish is turn Dacia into a much more formidable foe against Rome, as the one thing that really unified Dacia was always foreign threats, so it's very likely that after Caesar's attempted invasion Burebista would no longer be assassinated either, leaving Dacia a unified state and, likely, by the time anybody can come out on top as the new ruler of Rome, Dacia would have only further centralized it's power and prepared itself, making any attempt on Dacia even more of a suicide mission.

@augustiniumihaila4466

2 жыл бұрын

And lets add that Decebal's Dacia was half of Burebista's Dacia and Trajan conquered and hold 1/3 of it. And let's remember that when defeating Pompei , the real battle was with the dacian avantgarde stationed in camp, not with the pompeian legionaires. And at that point caesarians were almost repelled. It was Pompei's mistake to not wait for dacian reinforcements that were at 3 days march distance.... Anyhow, it would be interesting.... Perhaps in the end would had have a bigger Dacian kingdom, including parts of Illiria, Thracia and Macedonia....

Very interesting “What If?” hypothesis. I think that the Roman Republic was doomed at the time of Caesar's assassination, and it eventually would have been transformed into an empire, probably more swiftly and brutally than Augustus did it, but i am getting ahead of myself. The Reality is that Caesar's assassination put the nail in the coffin of the Republic. Because even if Antony had beaten Octavian he too would have been Emperor. The thing the assassins thought could be avoided ended up being inevitable, and all because of their treacherous action. That's the drama of history.

Major issue here. Cleopatra had his son. That son might have had a chance to be considered a legit heir to Caesar. So this timeline really would alter things massively. Perhaps in this timeline we see Marc Anthony being a rival to that of Cleopatra who would be trying to work out a way to put her son to become Pharaoh of Egypt and a claiment to Rome.

@virgilius7036

7 ай бұрын

In his will Caesar does not even mention Caesarion. His heir was Augustus. His friend Balbus always claimed that it was not his son. Cleopatra lied to strengthen her power!

Nice

It's worth mentioning by the Dacian King was assassinated not too long after Caesar was and I'd imagine Caesar would take a month or two to deal with the aftermath of his attempted assassination so good chances are he'd head into Dacia right as it was fragmented and could take it comparatively easily piecemeal, most likely allying with one of the tribes and networking with the Dacian leadership.

Your first what if

we all know that if Vorenus and pullo was there no one would dare to make a move on ceasar :)

@usprulse

5 ай бұрын

man i would give the whole of gaul just to see that... RIP pullo :(

Cool

That's indeed a very good question.

We are just learning about Julius Caesar right now!

When half the video is just an advert..... Advertisers do realise that most people just fast forward the adverts anyway.

I'm a little disappointed that they only showed the alternate history of when Ceaser was Alive, and not the aftermath of these conquests and wars with Dacia and Parthia.

I love history, especially ancient history. These thought exercises on the 'what ifs' of history are not serious and a waste of time. I've wasted more time writing this than even thinking about this scenario.

Not much may have changed in the short term, but long term impacts of Caesar having lived would be immeasurable. For starters, had caesar lived, Octavian and Antony wouldn't have become bitter rivals, and wouldn't need to seal a political alliance with a marriage (Octavian's sister married to Antony). Because of this, Antonia Minor never exists, and her son, the future emperor Claudius never exists either. Without Claudius, the Romans see no reason to invade Britain. English never becomes a dominant language; America as it is today, never exists; and on and on and on.

Oh hell yeah. The empire lives on

If Vorenus hadn’t listened to the Slave of Servilla Caesar would had made it.

I thought his entire consul wanted him dead ☠️. I I always see art pieces showing them all having daggers 🗡, as they all stabbed him.

What about Cesarion though? If Caesar wasn't assassinated, Caesarion probably wouldn't be as well. So might he not be the most obvious choice for succession instead of Octavian?

The Senate would've been erased and completely replaced with new people if Caesar survived that attack

the video starts at 4:19 the rest is just ads and itros

How about Vorenus and Pullo who saved Caesar?

Although something interesting about the Eastern conquests you may well see a shift to the East even more quickly in this timeline out of necessity where you'd see the state in whatever form it took more and more operating out of Antioch it'd be that far east, that and there was simply more wealth in the East so you're likely to see conquests leading into India.

Him and Alexander are a shame that died earlier than they should have. Who knows how far th Romans would have gotten or the Greeks in Alexander's case

My big question is, "What changes government would he have made and would he be able to have ended the cycle of civil wars that plagued Rome?"

In a parallel quantum universe there's a KZread video titled "What would have happened if the assassination attempt against Julius Caesar had succeeded"

imagine if roman empire discovers americas

Outside of Marcus Antonius and Augustus, there was a third individual Ptolemy XVI aka Little Cesarean could have been Julius Caesar heir, as he was his blood son.

@virgilius7036

7 ай бұрын

No, in his will Caesar does not even mention Caesarion. His heir was Augustus. His friend Balbus always claimed that it was not his son. Cleopatra lied to strengthen her power!

I think you severely underestimate the abilities of Julius Caesar. He has already crushed many competent leaders. And, if you remember, Alexander conquered all of Persia in three battles. The last of which he, too, was outnumbered many times just as Caesar often was.

if we're asking about julius caesar, it'd be interesting to talk about alexander the gr8

Minimum, Caesar was after honour for the loss of Eagles under Crassus, that Augustus eventually regained. Caesar was intent on the subjugation of the Parthian King, or the devastation of his prestige.

saw a comment on star wars where someone gave a speech if cesear survived assassination and used palpatine speech as a base and thought it seemed adequate.

Imagine Julius succeeded the way Alexander did, stretching his empire all the way to India!

I'd like to see a video like this, only If Rome failed to conquer Gaul, and Julius Caesar was too blame for all of it.

As a Romanian, it's like seeing a video about my parents fighting. 🤣

@torikeqi8710

2 жыл бұрын

Romanians have nothing to do either with Dacians or Romans. With Romans for sure no, but even with dacians you have 0 connections

@adrianstere

2 жыл бұрын

@@torikeqi8710 Trianon! Now cry me a river! 🤣🤣

I would wager that Augustus would still have taken power as he was Caesar's heir and adopted son. The only major change would be that Marc Antony might have lived longer as Augustus's ally rather than enemy. Cleopatra of course might have remained a liability for him but Caesar might have found a way to make it seem like he was Romanizing Egypt. As it was, Caesar was old and way living on borrowed time so Augustus would have likely still taken power anyway.

I don't know why evry roman and roman successor state wanted to conquer iranian states even though it was somewhat impossible.

Since we're letting our imaginations run wild: Anthony becomes the new dictator or just just straight up princeps, marries cleopatra, and the combined armies of Rome and Egypt invade Parthia, avenging Crassus.

I think Anthony is too old to be a successor if caesar lives. You dont look for a trusted friend a few years younger then you right? More likely he grooms octavian more and adopts him while still alive. How this would influence Octavian is really interesting to think about. Caesar I dont think saw himself as starting an empire, but fixing the republic so would he want the senate to have more power when he leaves office? would he retire at some point or hold onto power until his death? Also how would having a son in Egypt effect everything? There are way too many what ifs to figure out. One thing for sure though, seeing how many legions there were in the civil wars after his death I dont think raising troops would have been a problem.

I’m confused u said he was training 16 legions in Greece but u have him only taking 6 legions to Dacia