The British public didn’t support this war. We protested on deaf ears and it went ahead anyway. Politicians need to pay for their crimes! And the bbc need to pay for promoting the war to the public.

@danielleetaylor

2 жыл бұрын

Yes

@othonielgutierrez9702

2 жыл бұрын

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@zachariasemet2433

2 жыл бұрын

Kabul Government cant stand on its own feet because they are so corrupt. Corrupt because of the warlords who became the Kabul government after the 2001 invasion. This warlords start to fill their own pockets of the $120 billion in American government money since 2001 invasion.

@rainsnow9174

2 жыл бұрын

The BBC worked along with UK goverment to sell the war as they constantly showed twin towers being hit every 5 mins for several months. When Iraq was there next target the UK goverment needed to give evidence before joining US new war, they had to kill UK top WMD Expert Dr Kelly and made it look like suicide wrist cut in a park, and the BBC and all journalist helped cover an obvious murder of the expert that was gonna give evidence that said there was no WMD in Iraq.

@carljohnson2194

2 жыл бұрын

@@danielleetaylor wow what kind of a democracy is that

What went wrong in Vietnam? Same answer …

@D-throne

2 жыл бұрын

Not even remotely true.

@jacksmith4530

2 жыл бұрын

@@D-throne the endings were the same

@JosephFuller

2 жыл бұрын

No, the two conflicts only look similar on the surface. I lived SE Asia for more than a decade and while I've not lived in Afghanistan, I have lived in Jordan and Sudan. Having met a number of Afghani people in those countries and learning the ins and outs of the social/political dynamics involved in the both the Afghan and Vietnam conflicts, I can say the two conflicts are VERY different. And what has gone wrong in each has equally been different.

@MsColl90

2 жыл бұрын

@@JosephFuller nope. It’s the same. American imperialism.

@JosephFuller

2 жыл бұрын

@@MsColl90 As a broad stroke yes, but when looking into the history, people, cultures and other important details; the two are vibrantly contrasted.

This is the problem. Not a single Afghan on this panel. Imperialistic mindset.

@minsapint8007

2 жыл бұрын

Even if there were an Afghan on the panel, you can guarantee that with the BBC, you would never have anyone explaining the Taliban viewpoint. The Taliban spokesman in Qatar, Suhail Shaheen, seems articulate and well able to argue his corner. People like him would always be excluded by the BBC.

@dogeofgreatness2222

2 жыл бұрын

@@azar1354 as if the West and their puppets are any better then the Taliban

@dogeofgreatness2222

2 жыл бұрын

@@azar1354 before the US invasion Afghanistan had finally been united under a single governemnt since the Soviet invasion in 1979. I consider the Nato invasion as snatching away 2 decades of peace from the common Afghan people. The Insurgency has only intensified now it never ended.

@Brownniga

2 жыл бұрын

@@azar1354 get out your bubble

@albertoacevedo7023

2 жыл бұрын

@@azar1354 ¿What about the Kandahar masacre conducted by a U.S. soldier?¿What about the daily bombings this nation is conducting daily in cities crowded with civilians in Afghanistan. Remember: afghans are humans too.

Imagine sitting at home with PTSD after doing how ever many tours and seeing your friends blown to pieces? Anyone who supported this pointless occupation bears as much responsibility as the crooked politicians who sent our peers to their deaths. Shame on you and your crocodile tears.

@sunset2.00

2 жыл бұрын

Now CCP is rising These guys are ostrich head in ground.

@matthewmatthew9485

2 жыл бұрын

Pointless occupation? Supported? You need to rewind the tape my friend and remember what happened. Everybody is a expert and captain hindsight after events. We wasn't mean't to be going into to another war occupation. It was about taking out the person responsible for 9/11. Osama bin laden and al-qaeda e.g the terrorists. The world was scared if we didn't neutralise the threat possible other attacks could happen. He was the threat. Things got twisted and we ended up fighting the taliban for 20 years. Of course all governments are corrupt and we was lied to about weapons of mass destructive in iraq. That is why chances of going into another war in my lifetime are unlikely to happen soldiers on the ground because of the mess left in afghanistan iraq and syria.

@trungvan9648

2 жыл бұрын

Today, under the banner of socialism, Vietnamese capital is flourishing! Communist Vietnam opens its economy, not like North Korea! They signed a series of FTAs, CPTPP, and Vietnam's socialist model is completely new! The whole world is gawking at what is happening in Vietnam? What magic wand has brought GDP over 500 billion USD in 2020? Our VN will try to have a GDP of 1000 billion USD within 10 years

@strikefirst4015

2 жыл бұрын

@@matthewmatthew9485 bin laden has been dead for 10 years. You can make all the excuses you want. Afghanistan and Iraq have to figure things out for themselves now. US/UK intervention is and was a failure.

Afghanistan is called the graveyard of empires for a reason

@zachariasemet2433

2 жыл бұрын

Corrupt Kabul Government and its corrupt officails should be charged with embezzlement of $120 billion of USA govt money in the last 20 years from 2001. Or better yet Taliban should just hanged this corrupt officials. The corrupt Kabul officials have been propped up by the death of thousands of young Americans soldiers since 2001 in Afghanistan and this officials have gotten rich due to they filling their own pockets of that 120 billion dollars

@othonielgutierrez9702

2 жыл бұрын

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@zachariasemet2433

2 жыл бұрын

Kabul Government cant stand on its own feet because they are so corrupt. Corrupt because of the warlords who became the Kabul government after the 2001 invasion. This warlords start to fill their own pockets of the $120 billion in American government money since 2001 invasion.

@ecc1417

2 жыл бұрын

100% agree ✌✌✌coming soon🙏🙏🙏

@frostystallie8736

2 жыл бұрын

It’s called that because people don’t know history. this is a lie. The Persian, Macedonians, Umayyad Caliphate, the mongols and other conquered and held the territory now known as Afghanistan for centuries.

General Lord Dannatt was so wrong in hindsight this interview makes him sound like a complete fool.

@leew1598

2 жыл бұрын

"That will not happen!" A matter of days later it happens....

@dom104ubazil4

2 жыл бұрын

The whole panel looks like fools now

@Lobishomem

2 жыл бұрын

This is one reason people are tired of so-called “experts”. It reminds me of all the economic “experts” saying that all was peachy one week before the economic meltdown of 2008. The experts never pay any price for their wildly disastrous predictions and policy positions.

The fact is that our presence in Afganistan infuriated the afghan people and the Taliban was the ultimate winner. We should have never gone into that country the way we did. We became an invading force. Now let’s pick the ashes.

@markm3869

2 жыл бұрын

You are 100000% right. And look at all of these experts totally disconnected with reality and simple fact that attack on Afghanistan was another incompetent illiterate U.S president who tried to cover up for his own failures. Sadly the victims are Afghanistan people. Who will Afghan government rally when they lost control over so much territory? One can't help wondering how all these people, including journalist, can in clear consciousness talk so much nonsense. Ahh… Public inquiry. I can tell them right away. Send evil duo Bush + BLiar to jail.

@jacqueslee2592

2 жыл бұрын

The Western nations have always invaded nations and still occupy many nations that are under their control while their populations are starved and their nations are completely robbed of their resources under the guise of humanitarian aid, human rights, and democracy. The Afghan people are aware of Western intentions, hence why the Taliban won.

@theoathman8188

2 жыл бұрын

What's the difference between killing terrorists to spread liberalism vs killing infidels to spread religion? Both failed at using reasoning and rational arguments to convince the other side, so they resolve to violence.

@kylebewley7790

2 жыл бұрын

Right or wrong what’s the alternative? Let Al-Q get away with 9/11? No chance.

@theoathman8188

2 жыл бұрын

@@kylebewley7790 They don't believe Bin Laden did 9/11. In fact in some parts of Pakistan and Afghanistan, they teach in schools that the Mossad and CIA were behind the attack to create an excuse to remove a legitimate Islamic government support by the people. In fact, to this day, Osama bin laden considered a hero who fought the Soviet, built schools and hospitals.

The West destabilized an already unstable country and walked away. Vietnam, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan are some examples.

@lw3646

10 ай бұрын

We kind of managed to do the worst of all possible worlds. We could have left them to it in 2002 after the Taliban were driven from power and Bin Laden fled into hiding. Various warlords and local figures could then hopefully have formed a power sharing government and some western aid could have helped clean up the country. Special forces could have carried on hunting Bin Laden.. We could have pulled out completely after Bin Laden was killed and accepted that was mission complete. We could have kept the supply of aid and arms going though to help stop a taliban takeover. Or we could have stayed there with just a small force not on the front line, kept up the air support, military advice, special forces operations at a fairly low cost which would probably have kept the taliban back. But staying for 20 years, spending all those trillions and leaving all those weapons fall into taliban hands seems like the worst outcome possible. So many dead soliders and civilians. The two worst mistakes were fighting to support a government that was deeply unpopular and corrupt. The other was after 20 years the Afghan government forces were still not capable of fighting the Taliban off, why? The parraels with Vietnam and the Soviet Afghan war are so obvious.

@Aksarallah

10 ай бұрын

@@lw3646 well they obviously werent invading to just kill Bin Laden, but to create a proxy govt for their interests in middle east. And it obviously back fired on them. Truly, the true terrorists are the US army, navy and marines. Not the Taliban. And surely they will pay a price for this with great humiliation

Nothing went wrong. The “War” wasn’t supposed to be won…merely sustained. War is, and has always been, profitable…especially for the elites and their governments. Greed..is good. - G. Gecko.

@TheCurlyW

2 жыл бұрын

I'm sure military contracts went well but we also spent trillion of dollars in Afghanistan with diminishing returns.

@khalidkhan-om8ud

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheCurlyW The infrastructure that US built in Afghanistan will be usefull in the future.The game has just begun.How can you say its a waste.

@jaybarnes6736

2 жыл бұрын

Tactical low yield nuclear weapons should be used against dubai Saudi the taliban and is.. Fuck em you want to cut girls clits off and force marriage on them at 13... You want to ban music there should be a nuclear option here...

@elgatofelix1011

2 жыл бұрын

Enough !! How much blood shed women children not just in Afghanistan . That's why Daniel 2: 44 is coming

@trungvan9648

2 жыл бұрын

In Vietnam we also have peace , stability and most importantly we have the fastest growing economy in the world ! we don't want many political parties !we have Myanmar as an example of power struggle and bloodshed ! Poor , lose school , underdeveloped !

listening to Gen Dannatt saying that the Taliban won't be able to overcome the Afghan Army is incredibly naive for a man of his experience

@josharnold3450

2 жыл бұрын

Aged like milk

@taln0reich

2 жыл бұрын

@@josharnold3450 even opened milk lasts for more than a week. So this aged worse.

@leew1598

2 жыл бұрын

It's so worrying that people so blind are considered such experts.

@countonme9893

2 жыл бұрын

Fire power is nothing compared to the will of the people who want to win the war

Now the Brits and US looking for another potential conflict adventure.

@suedenim6590

2 жыл бұрын

Space. Can't you see the ufo/uap (bs narrative changing again) threat narrative unfolding before your very eyes? It's perfect in that no one can possibly confirm it (that is anyone that can still form an independent thought like "Wouldn't anyone capable of getting here be able to wipe us from existence in a heartbeat?" Those pesky guys are dumbed down and gone now. Eg 50% of students in the UK got A's today. Lol) but yeah, that's the new thing to choke you with just how low and evil the vast majority of our species are. Space friend

@user-kq5qp6dh8l

2 жыл бұрын

How about China? For an invasion

@suedenim6590

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-kq5qp6dh8l I don't know if you've been out lately but the world is becoming China with the control measures etc they've no need to "invade" friend so no. They don't have to

@ottomeyer6928

2 жыл бұрын

China? good luck

@suedenim6590

2 жыл бұрын

@@ottomeyer6928 like I say we are becoming China with the social scores etc and the fact we can't compete economically. What would be served by China coming all the way to the UK,a tiny island with very little natural resources. Just no. And obviously yeah you're right, chine, Russia, America etc, there's a list of people that would have us in a row but don't forget we're a nuclear power so that is also a deterrent that maintains status quo

NATO didn't withdraw, the US did and the rest just followed.

@achillesrodriguezxx3958

2 жыл бұрын

US is NATO, just like black hawk down. After gothic serpent the US withdrew, the world followed.

@jacqueslee2592

2 жыл бұрын

The reason being is that the former Western Empires no longer have the capacity nor the will as much as their child, the US does. The US is a continuation of Western imperialism if not of the British Empire. The West only follows the US because they want a portion of the loot.

@BadBoy-cp9lp

2 жыл бұрын

@@achillesrodriguezxx3958 US created Nato

Sad for Afghan people, and hope peace would come to this land soon.

@ino3809

2 жыл бұрын

says a chyneese

Mind your own business don’t interfere in other countries and don’t try to impose your culture every where..

@jijorassad709

2 жыл бұрын

That mentality is what lead to pearl harbor

@carljohnson2194

2 жыл бұрын

Especially that last part of your comment that’s the most important thing Us and west need to learn

@fatfat1877

2 жыл бұрын

Then why did the taliban protect al qaeda?

@minsapint8007

2 жыл бұрын

@@jijorassad709 No. It is the mentality which led to the German invasion of Poland, France, Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Norway, Greece, USSR ... and to the American attacks on Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Vietnam, Yemen, Cuba, Laos, Peru, Guatemala, Cambodia, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Lebanon, Grenada, Iran, Panama, Bosnia, Sudan, ...

What went wrong in Afghanistan? We did ! From the moment this beautiful country was invaded by the British in the 18th century , its situation like the middle east changed for the worse forever !

@CG-or1re

2 жыл бұрын

so what's your solution? it might make you feel good to exclaim how we are to blame but how exactly does that help the afghan people now? stop using human tragedy to express your own virtue, shame on you

"We will be perfectly happy to leave Afghanistan in three years times without firing one shot". Never expect leaving without firing a shot after invading the land of undefeated.

@gameofthrones2890

2 жыл бұрын

Alhamdulillah, never come back or this time we will come back after you inside your land.

@gameofthrones2890

2 жыл бұрын

@Ritik PAL who is stopping you? Comeon, send you forces here. We are desperately wating for your troops, and btw you haven't been able to control the kashmiri freedom fighters till now. With all the apartheid, you seriously have the guts to think you can control Afghanistan? 🤔 Dude wake up.

@naathnaath6377

2 жыл бұрын

@Ritik PAL 60 thousand Afghan Warriors invaded India with a population of over 30 million and ruled it for over 2 centuries. Careful what you wish for.

@tzuyuhypetrain9791

2 жыл бұрын

@J but the American failed to defeat it. Let that sink in dickhead

What went wrong in Afghanistan? Why do you still ask this stupid question after 20 years there? Why did NATO follow the US bombed and invaded Afghanistan in the first place?

@LeBellmont

2 жыл бұрын

They're doing this for the more ignorant people you condescending ass.

@sunset2.00

2 жыл бұрын

History will not see it kindly

@pfairweather

2 жыл бұрын

@yu "Why did NATO follow the US[,] bombed and invaded Afganistan in the first place?" The 9/11 attack on the US led to Article 5 of the NATO charter being invoked: an attack on one member being an attack on all.

@yu-jd5jg

2 жыл бұрын

@@pfairweather Excuse me, What has Afghanistan to do with the 9-11 attack?

What went wrong, well first mistake was going there to being with.

@zachariasemet2433

2 жыл бұрын

Kabul Government cant stand on its own feet because they are so corrupt. Corrupt because of the warlords who became the Kabul government after the 2001 invasion. This warlords start to fill their own pockets of the $120 billion in American government money since 2001 invasion

@MOCHI-ek6rc

2 жыл бұрын

@@zachariasemet2433 it one trillion

@lialaliala2968

2 жыл бұрын

Yes absolutely

Lessons can be learnt and improved upon only if we realise the mistakes. The war on Iraq was based on a flawed theory of weapons of mass destruction. PM Tony Blair put forth a report which was actually a thesis written by a student. UK took to the streets that time against attack on Iraq. Till date the lessons are not learnt. UK can go on accusing USA for an heisty withdrawal from Afghanistan but the fact remains that the goals of the campaign were lopsided and are not met at the end of 20 years of fighting. Lessons are hard to learn especially when we remain in denial of the mistakes and portray our actions as just. The media plays it's own role in portraying the situation as per the wishes of the powers controlling them.

@sha22276

2 жыл бұрын

Well said, except the WMD was lies on purpose and not a 'theory'

@jameshdr5583

2 жыл бұрын

The invasion plan has been there for a while. The American just waited for find an excuse to invade Iraq.

@zackamor8043

2 жыл бұрын

@Ja Ekh Not even nuclear weapons, but chemical weapons which the USA has

Its true that Afghanistan is called the graveyard of empires ,BUT its Afghans who are filling those graves in millions .

@sagarwahab8112

2 жыл бұрын

😢

@Abman31

2 жыл бұрын

@Muhammad Saad I think you forgot THE FACT that its REALITY on the ground which counts. Nonetheless there is no doubt these empires are guilty,but its Afghans who pay the price .

@Abman31

2 жыл бұрын

@Muhammad Saad do you know why Americans were fighting British? They were fighting for independence. In Afghanistan its occupation of another state by America. You can't compare them

Everyone should watch “Bitter Lake” by Adam Curtis , this documentary, predicted exactly this !!!!!!!

@jacksmith4530

2 жыл бұрын

Everyone predicted it like 10 years ago

@haleemahsaida9772

2 жыл бұрын

Well said 👍

@Ass_of_Amalek

2 жыл бұрын

Jack Smith nah, 10 years ago the occupation wasn't getting anywhere, but the taliban was still weak. since 2017 or so it's been very clear that afghanistan was being abandoned and handed over to the taliban, when the US negotiated with them with the total exclusion of the afghan government.

@jacksmith4530

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ass_of_Amalek American troops peaked due to increased violence 10 years ago. Already 10 years in, most realized it would end up like Vietnam, and it did. Idk where you're from but here in the US, if you weren't deluding yourself with political nonsense, you were almost definitely assuming it was going to be a repeat of Vietnam

@zachariasemet2433

2 жыл бұрын

Kabul Government cant stand on its own feet because they are so corrupt. Corrupt because of the warlords who became the Kabul government after the 2001 invasion. This warlords start to fill their own pockets of the $120 billion in American government money since 2001 invasion.

I can not believe Rory Stewart still wants to continue Airstrikes after 20 years of doing the same thing!!! Madness. The Afgan government were left out of peace negotiations, what did people expect?

@GeorgePennellMartin

2 жыл бұрын

What Afghanistan really needs is a generation of brutal, unjust rule by the Taliban, get their hunger for merciless theocratic oppression out of their system permanently. Maybe then they'll be ready for democracy and civil liberties.

@Adilrajasoldierspeaks9702

2 жыл бұрын

Rory Stewart somehow always reminds me that he is either possessed by the ring or just lost it recently. Must be a close relative of Gollum.

@MrShahrozButt

2 жыл бұрын

"This is what winning looks like" by Ben Aderson

@ionutbalta6607

2 жыл бұрын

@@GeorgePennellMartin I doubt that would happen.Just look at post communist countries where the ood population are missing the old goverment.People in Afghanistan would just accept their rule.They are too tired after 20 years of fighting.

@carljohnson2194

2 жыл бұрын

@@GeorgePennellMartin not everyone wants a democracy. You can’t just force others to accept American ways

I’m really loving watching all the hand wringing and finger pointing in the establishment as they act stunned and bewildered as to why their stupid plan didn’t change a single thing.

“pulled the rug out from underneath the Afghan people.” The Afghan Taliban are Afghan people. The many Afghan people who support the Taliban are Afghan people. Pretending otherwise is what gets Britain drawn into debacles like this.

@stevecaldwell8740

2 жыл бұрын

There are many Afghan people. The Taliban are pashtun.

@minsapint8007

2 жыл бұрын

@@stevecaldwell8740 The English people are British. The Welsh people are British. There are many British people. That fact does not make the English less British. The Afghan Pashtun are Afghan.

General Lord Dannet must have big balls to say TALIBANS will not be in full control of Afghanistan. How's he going to defend that statement in 6 months time?

@sailordoc2818

2 жыл бұрын

He just has his statement to defend. Afghans are defending their lives

@ranafaheem4505

2 жыл бұрын

Like they defending past 20 years 😂😂

@hsmxlls

2 жыл бұрын

Everyone said in 2014 that ISIS is on the doorstep of Baghdad. And a significant western military air campaign put an end to that relatively quickly. The only simple thing about Afghanistan is this; no group or organisation has the power to control the whole of Afghanistan. It will always be spread across between the goverment, Taliban and warlords. Majority of whom are anti Taliban. Unless the west is prepared to re engage in Afghanistan in the way we did in Iraq and Syria and provide total air support to Afghan forces but commit to 0 combat troops then we can significantly reduce the Talibans expansion and take back so much of the land that our boys spilt their blood for

@rehansiddiqui2862

2 жыл бұрын

@@hsmxlls Afghanistan is the Taliban and the Taliban is Afghanistan,,YOU HAD BETTER ACCEPT THAT AND FAST!

@hsmxlls

2 жыл бұрын

@@rehansiddiqui2862 that’s your opinion. Just remember what they would do to your mum or your sister if they come back to power

You can't impose your will on others even when you use 50 different countries and 150k soldiers with every war hardware imaginable.

@jefftse4709

2 жыл бұрын

Now that's the true lesson learnt.

@othonielgutierrez9702

2 жыл бұрын

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@imgoingonamarch

2 жыл бұрын

Should’ve tried a few H-bombs

@barefootprofessor3455

2 жыл бұрын

@@imgoingonamarch it needs guts to do that, but it's just for show to have one

@user-xj6wo3hr9s

2 жыл бұрын

@@imgoingonamarch in case you missed it, they used. It didn't work, in their own words the used the mother of all bombs many humans died, but not the Taliban.

What went wrong in Afghanistan? Well....... about 20 years ago we had a prime minister called Tony Blair, the rest writes itself really no?

@CG-or1re

2 жыл бұрын

spoken like a true brainless, masochistic hippie. do you in any seriousness think Tony Blair, for all his many faults, is the chief reason for afghan woes? please grow up

@naathnaath6377

2 жыл бұрын

@@CG-or1re YES,2nd in Chief,after Bush.

@aajaanipaye6147

2 жыл бұрын

@@CG-or1re he was also the one who had knowledge of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, i hope u know rest of the story

@CG-or1re

2 жыл бұрын

@@naathnaath6377 so where do the Taliban come into the ranking?

@CG-or1re

2 жыл бұрын

@@aajaanipaye6147 not relevant to Afghanistan im afraid. it's all well and good being aware of the faults of western leaders, but if it blinds you to the responsibilities of the Taliban then you condemn the afghan people to a life under their slave rule

I would like to hear people from Afghanistan and taliban also giving their opinion in this interview. I don’t feel comfortable with only hearing the Western view on an Eastern country which has 3 trillion US dollars of untapped resources in their ground. Making it look like the West wants to help the people in Afghanistan, feels like a cover up just to justify all the tax payers money that has been spent since 20 years. There are countries in the world where people live in much worse conditions, where people are literally dying from hunger, why not helping them first ? (BTW Those countries have no resources in their ground)

@BlueMax333

2 жыл бұрын

" I would like to hear people from Afghanistan and taliban also giving their opinion in this interview." Ha! ha! That is not how the media works. It is always one-sided; even the BBC

@mreynaert9997

2 жыл бұрын

@@BlueMax333 I agree. As a western living in India, I have no more access into the television apps of my native country. I can tell you from experience, the news we have in the East is completely different and often opposite from the news in the west. It seems like globally we are psychologically manipulated to be against each other. Sometimes I meet people from Iran, Iraq and Kuwait. I always rejoice in that and take out time to ask them questions about their country and history. It is amazing to hear how their experiences are completely different from what the media tells us. In my humble opinion, the west speaks about and acts in Islamic countries like it belongs to them. Modern colonisation I would label it. If certain countries don’t want to follow the western regime, then they should have the right to do that. Leave them alone, living in the way they have been living since centuries. Who are we to go and dictate their life style. Just because we westerners have the possibility and power, that does not mean that we have to dictate other countries. Western thinking and life style is completely different from the East . I think that both should be equally respected. If we cannot live together in peace then better to live separately in peace. I think, because of their different life style, they still do have all those resources available. I rejoice for them. I really do. We In the west, because of our life style, we have consumed almost everything and now we are in trouble. Although, I think that scientifically we have the ability to make a car drive on other resources like water or plant based oils, we have the skills, but of course, in a capitalistic system… it won’t happen. It seems like the problem lies there in.

@BlueMax333

2 жыл бұрын

@@mreynaert9997 I grew up in Kerala before I came to the UK in my early twenties. Have travelled in many countries, including an overland expedition from England to Leh. I still remember the hospitality and help that we received from the Afghans during difficult times. In the last couple of hundred years, the power and the influence of the western countries rose along with their pride and self-righteousness. Their leaders wish to impose it on others. Over the centuries, cultures and ideologies evolved differently in different parts of the world. For me, such diversity is to be experienced and admired.

@mreynaert9997

2 жыл бұрын

@@BlueMax333 I fully resonate with your sharing. May you always be well and happy 🙏🏻❤️🌈

@RedLisa22

2 жыл бұрын

@@BlueMax333 That was very interesting! Thank you for sharing with the rest of us your personal and honest thoughts.❤️ So, where would you like to live the rest of your life and raise your children? What country of the world would that be? Would you consider living in Afghanistan?

The British went in, stayed, left. The Russians went in, stayed, left. Now the Americans went in, stayed, left. Pattern?

@livianegidius9772

2 жыл бұрын

Avganistan is ` graveyard of Empires` . Only one man conquered this teritory That man was Alexnder the Great 2000 + years ago. Everybody know this fact .And when you leave foreign country to finish your inner business what do you expect?

@derf9465

2 жыл бұрын

You missed it, the british went In 1839 ish, stayed and ran away.

@pandasrules7536

2 жыл бұрын

An hostile Alien force from outer space can easily take over the world- except Afghanistan.

@Osomagical115

2 жыл бұрын

@@livianegidius9772 Alexander never conquered it. He was another foreign occupier who fought Pashtuns and left

@achillesrodriguezxx3958

2 жыл бұрын

@Ja Ekh Alexander didn't conquer but in included the Afghans into his empire via marriage through his wife Roxana.

People never learn from history...open your books and look back 200 years....afghanistan is and always has been a grave yard for troops from any country...

@fatdaddy1996

2 жыл бұрын

That just isn't true.

@scapingby

2 жыл бұрын

imagine leaving a comment when you're so uneducated and ignorant to the topic. incredible.

@davidparry5310

2 жыл бұрын

@@fatdaddy1996 It has consistently been true within the last couple of centuries.

The question that should be asked is: what went right in Afghanistan? That is a much more difficult question to answer.

@WALTONCHIEF

2 жыл бұрын

Ill answer ... Nothing

@thethirdman225

2 жыл бұрын

There's a meme out there that says the US spent 18 years and $2.2 trillion to replace the Taliban with... the Taliban.

This shouldn't be called 'What went wrong in Afghanistan, it should be called 'What went right in Afghanistan.

@khalidkhan-om8ud

2 жыл бұрын

Taliban installed with a lot of weapons and infrastructure handed over by Afghan army.Just give an impression that you lost.

'We never thought we'd slip away in the night like we did at Bagram'. Sorry, but many of us thought exactly this would happen as it had in Cuba, Phnom Penh, Saigon and elsewhere.

There is always someone left to fight. Marcus Aurelius.

@idnanali1274

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah but its only the Taliban that want to fight. Afghan forces are running accross the border at every opportunity available...

Why would anyone ask Lisa Nandy about anything, let alone put her on a panel of experts?

@coreycox2345

2 жыл бұрын

I found her highly articulate, Daniel Linehan.

@danmuygallo

2 жыл бұрын

​@@coreycox2345 She has no experience of doing the things she is talking about. She is all gong and no dinner.

@coreycox2345

2 жыл бұрын

@@danmuygallo Well yes. But that is the best response to an invitation that is all gong and no dinner.

I know a frontline uk solider who faced the Taliban: Conclusion from the frontline: A very formidable enemy. Death or glory men

Please look at a map of Afghanistan and surrounding countries. Then try to figure out why western nations ever thought they could invade it and turn it into a democracy.

The Taliban IS the Afghan people, just not the Afghan people that agree with us. We can not help those who refuse to help themselves. If the don't want the Taliban taking their country over then they should be able to fight them and win. What is happening is they are not fighting the Taliban, they are laying down their arms and allowing them to take over.

@devinramadhani6126

2 жыл бұрын

Well that's what the Chinese thought when they let the communist to take reign over them. And yet at that time it's already pretty clear what would be the case for the Chinese people. We may never know the afghan people in their complexity, but certainly another Islamic fundamentalist regime with disastrous economic and social policies are not to be let loose to run a nation.

@theoathman8188

2 жыл бұрын

It doesn't take a brain surgeon to know the Afghan people are behind the Taliban. The Taliban reached power by the help of the people, and Taliban were relevant even after they got completely crushed by the UN coalition, lost leaders, wealth and weapons. Yet, They rose again by the help of the people. If I was an Afghani, I would look at liberalism and see that it drops boombs from the sky and kills civilians. It threatens to "educate" my daughters and sisters. I would think, nevermind, harsh brothers are better than a deceiving enemy.

@devinramadhani6126

2 жыл бұрын

@@theoathman8188 I am in complete agreement that the Taliban are indeed supported by most if not discreetly all of the afghan people. But perhaps the very least the occupation has eliminated any possibiliy of the Taliban to harbour any terrorist actor in the likes of Bin Laden. I can only wish that the taliban has it's own pragmatic leader who can shield and protect the integrity and sovereignty of the afghani people and yet also look forward for the future. You can still preserve your culture and gear up a competitive economy. Nothing good comes from isolation.

@randomrandomhahahaha5161

2 жыл бұрын

@@theoathman8188 you are 100% right Taliban are supported by public.

General Dannant, those are your values and other people have their own values. No matter how you sugar coat it you are speaking for yourself. They are not your slaves.

Funding factions in the Afghan civil war was a mistake. Going there was a mistake. Staying there was a mistake, and now leaving is going to be a mess. People opposed these actions at the time they were made. It doesn't take hindsight to know that the world's most powerful country is consistently making decisions not in line with ending global suffering. Edit: America's first major involvement in the region was against those educating women. It's laughable how this war is justified.

@I_Have_The_Most_Japanese_Music

8 ай бұрын

And yet your losses were 6 times as great while we were there twice as long. Now what remains of the Russian military is being badly mauled in Ukraine.

To the future KZread viewer in years to come - this is what western imperialism looked like in 2021. Not a single “real” Afghan on the panel. I’m sure if you asked them, they’d have a different view.

@thethirdman225

2 жыл бұрын

They would indeed.

"What went wrong in Afghanistan"? Simple: USA going there in the first place.

@marcfitzgerald8068

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, the Soviets did just fine!

@albetrosxcore3028

2 жыл бұрын

It started with the russians

@TheRhythmOfLife1972

2 жыл бұрын

@aSky Were you ever a Citizen soldier? Walk the talk before cutting down our country and their efforts.

@edc1569

2 жыл бұрын

9/11?

@carljohnson2194

2 жыл бұрын

@@edc1569 Afghanistan wasn’t responsible for that

Love it when a discussion about what went well during an invasion only has people from the invading countries. That right there is what went wrong. Nobody can win in Afghanistan, and we should never have pretended that they could. The war was a pointless sham, and with thousands of our troops and countless Afghan civilians dead we find ourselves in the same position as before the invasion.

@immammuddin5019

2 жыл бұрын

The most sane comment here.

In a single word:Everything!

@lw3646

Жыл бұрын

Plenty of blame to go round....

What is went wrong? It is never explained why Britain drew the map of Afghanistan to put many ethics in one by force in made one country that the people don't belong to it. Almost all the problems in the world because of Britain.

Never trust politician’s!!!

@user-kq5qp6dh8l

2 жыл бұрын

Or the BBC

@thethirdman225

2 жыл бұрын

Who did you vote for?

0:37 twenty years of help? 🙄 More like twenty years of looting.

There is two aspects to this . 1- NATO got fed up with afghan government officials not getting on with each other for the past 20 yrs . 2- America wants their weapons to be sold ,and if everywhere is in peace then it will have a bad effect on American economy.

Rambo 3. That's what went wrong. The US government should've watched the movie before the Afghan invasion.

@JosephFuller

2 жыл бұрын

lol, best comment in this comments section.

@falling_leaves2997

2 жыл бұрын

The US Government funded the "mujahideen" / holy warriors back then

@leew1598

Жыл бұрын

"Who are you?" "Your worst nightmare!"

Enough people have died in afghanistan there needs to be a political settlement not airstrikes

@carlabroderick5508

2 жыл бұрын

Political settlement essentially means Taliban rule, the present violence proves that.

Lord Dannet is in cuckoo land, if 20 years and 150,000 troops couldn't help, what makes him think support now will make a difference!

What went wrong? Everything did. The afghan taliban managed to defeat Nato comprised of western armies with the latest weapons, airforces and training yet they west still got their ass handed to them on a plate.

The American failure in Afghanistan cam, in my opinion, be summed up in a total lack of efforts to stem Afghani government corruption, and contractors.

@ph-vf5hx

2 жыл бұрын

They were just following the American model. Keep the maggots poor as dirt and let the rich rise to monarch levels of power

@public.public

2 жыл бұрын

Nothing to do with the West's politician manipulating billionaire investors in the USAmerican arms market not wanting anything other than a long drawn out maximum profit war then?

@daguard411

2 жыл бұрын

@@public.public That's why I wrote of contractors.

@WISDOMEDITSs

2 жыл бұрын

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@yunshunzhong4491

2 жыл бұрын

$1000 Marker cup for US Army in Afghanistan is legendary corruption

This interview was dreadful…who represented to Afghans point of view ? If the Taliban are so hated in their home land why have they so much support? And if the Americans and their allies are so loved why are the very people who love them attacking them ? The age where self righteous powerful nations force their will on others has gone … go back to your own countries solve your own problems and leave others to their own

This escaletes quickly, isn't it?

Lol that old general doesn't has a clue what's up or down

@leew1598

Жыл бұрын

Pretty odd when he get saying we need to be more vocal in our support, what difference would that make to the battlefield? More cheerleading? Then when he started saying the Taliban couldn't capture the whole country even as it was happening before our eyes it really got embarrassing.

The Durand Line, it divides members of the same ethnicity into two (30 million in Pakistan and 15 million in Afghanistan).

@ranafaheem4505

2 жыл бұрын

Pakistan put 13F from Afghanistan and 11F long fence along 2600 kilometers border so nobody can come inside or outside

@rehansiddiqui2862

2 жыл бұрын

Similarly between Indian occupied Kashmir and Pakistan controlled Kashmir and also between Bangladesh and Indian West Bengal.Oh, forgot to mention Indian and Pakistani Punjab! So,the message is very clear,,INDIA WILL BREAK UP!

@dogeofgreatness2222

2 жыл бұрын

What about it. Indonesia to Iran the region is full of multi ethnic states.

@sabihakhanum1285

2 жыл бұрын

@@rehansiddiqui2862 but why we hide the role of So called Great Britian.

@khalidkhan-om8ud

2 жыл бұрын

@Myname Ismyname No it wont.The Pushtoons which have been divided are an individualistic tribal people.They are far from a nation.They have no capacity to unite.Throughout history they have been recruits to any bodies army may they be Alexander/ Darius.Tamerlane/Mehmood of Ghazna/British indian army.So forget it.

There should be an impact assessment of the western military campaign in the last 20 years. I know it would not happen for obvious reasons of avoiding liability .

@rodtukker1904

2 жыл бұрын

They keep on making babies whether it is war or not. Can you imagine making a baby in UK without securing enough funds for bigger home, schooling and other stuff.

@rodtukker1904

2 жыл бұрын

@Who Am i Go and study English language.

The shadow secretary doesn’t know US said we haven’t been in Afghanistan to secure it.

Excellent analysis by Col.Christopger Kolenda 👍👍👍

I've lost count of the times British politicians look back at their failures and utter the immortal words "...far more complex than we ever envisioned." These words can be applied to almost any issue UK government has involved itself with in recent decades - notably, mass immigration and the dogma of Multiculturalism. When Blair's New Labour were in power, we were governed by politicians whose ignorance knew no bounds. The sooner we wake up to understanding this the better off we will be.

@flejt7107

2 жыл бұрын

Uk gov sold themselves to the zionists since the balfour declaration, theyre in their pockets now, uk will back anything the us envisage; and vice versa

@rainsnow9174

2 жыл бұрын

Those words are exactly what is taught at these politic university, where these politicians come off these assembly line like "oven baked ready"

@lorns123

2 жыл бұрын

After what happened in 1840 in the retreat from Kabul, the government should have understood the complexities of Afghanistan in trying and utterly failing to force the western system on the Afghani tribal system ..

@johnnydeclanbarnes116

2 жыл бұрын

Islam is the truth.

"thIS iS nOw A bATtlE oF wILLs" says man unaware people die when they are shot

@scapingby

2 жыл бұрын

yep... the two aren't mutually exclusive.

Looking at this interview only a few days later than when it took place, it's shocking how far some of the participants have been out of touch of the reality there. Rory Stewart is the only sane guy there that talked about the topic.

Woah cool I didn't know Mic Jagger was an MP. Cool that he popped by.

Nothing went wrong in Afghanistan...in the contrary everything went very well in accordance to the will of the people of Afghanistan...thus stop creating rumours out of nothing...cheerio snowflakes...

@prancer1803

2 жыл бұрын

The will?

In 1839 Britain invaded Afghanistan because they feared Russian influence in the area. Since then I think we can call every single invasion and occupation a disaster.

@randomrandomhahahaha5161

2 жыл бұрын

Close to my house in Kandahar. Afghanistan. there was a British soldiers graveyard. In 1991. peoples turn it to houses

So much for "shock and awe"

😓

What a "balanced" selection of guests, all support the UK/US government's intervening in Afghanistan, all under the guise of supporting the Afghan people, women or whatever excuse they want to use to legitimize the criminal war against Afghanistan.

@mixyguy6

2 жыл бұрын

Best comment 👍

What went wrong in Afghanistan was that one corrupt regime installed another corrupt regime.

@Ass_of_Amalek

2 жыл бұрын

hamed karzai, the first president of NATO-occupied afghanistan, belonged to one of the country's biggest druglord families, and afghanistan's leadership hasn't improved much since.

@rebelalliance1074

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ass_of_Amalek, The current president has US nationality.. go figure.

@johnnydeclanbarnes116

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ass_of_Amalek Islam is the truth

too much shock and awe, not enough hearts and minds?

6:00 How come that BBC get so bad sound when interviewing people remote ? I have Microsoft Teams meetings everyday and the sound is far better.

Also afghan people should not be confused with the aghan government

I don’t need my news to start like a movie. Grim.

well this hits differently now... Rory Stewart actually sounds optimistic

I wonder what Lord some1 thinks now. August 26, 2021

What went wrong in Afghanistan? Washingtonians took the wrong advice. They listened to themselves. Thus they lost.

@Gehri_soch2.0

2 жыл бұрын

It's a failed state what did they expect to happen no wonder 80% of the country wants sharia ie a form of stability

@Gorilder

2 жыл бұрын

@Who Am i the Afghans are surrendering their cities and tons of western equipment that was left to help them defend themselves. the West should’ve just flat conquered that place, they are quite obviously incapable of governing themselves and don’t even have the stomach to defend themselves.

It took over 300 years of Enlightenment, revolutions, and wars as well as millions of lives, limbs, and livelihoods; for Europe and the Americas to become social democracies as they are today. Trying to do that with Afghanistan in merely 20 years is foolhardy. The communist Soviet Union learned this the hard way, now liberal NATO is learning this the hard way.

@mikeryan807

2 жыл бұрын

This ^

@TheZachary86

2 жыл бұрын

Imagine trying to inject wokeness into a conservative society by force. The arrogance

@hippogaming5022

2 жыл бұрын

Nah it only takes a single generation to fix all of these problems but it requires total occupation and control to make it happen, which is a massive geopolitical no go. If we had actually straight up annexed Afghanistan then it would be successful by now but Russia and China would rightfully never allow it.

@nvmtt1403

2 жыл бұрын

@@hippogaming5022 annexation does not work either. the british empire found out the hard way.

@paradislarry

2 жыл бұрын

"Social Democracies They Are Today"??? : ) : ) :) What Planet Do You Live On ? There is not an ounce of Democracy in any of those places, just corrupted politicians that use words like that as they screw the planet.

This aged well

No words

The United States spends more on defense than the next 11 countries _combined._ I am ready to put the military-industrial complex on a diet. Source: Peterson Foundation.

@genestone4951

2 жыл бұрын

The US spends $0 on defense....just look at the Mexican border.

Insult a people's culture, you will get trouble.

Sad

What went wrong in Afghanistan?...Going there.

What should have occurred is the following: Compulsory Military Service, and a Decentralization in Political Elections ( Federal, State, District, City and City Council Elected).

@Abman31

2 жыл бұрын

Compulsory military service will never work. In fact it will backfire! They had it in 80's ,and it failed big time

At last, a voice of sense and reason - Rory Stewart. If only he was listened to years ago, if only, if only..... 😢😢😢

Wow. This did not age well.

It's crazy that things are happening so fast in Afghanistan this is out of date because it was made 6 days ago

There was never any serious British military commitment to Afghanistan. All we did was put down a few bases and patrol their perimeters. The idea that we could militarily control Helmand Province, an area of 58584 square kilometres, with just 4500 troops is laughable.

Interviewing politicians in power.. you'll never get a straight answer or be none the wiser.. but interviewing a shadow sec is a total waste of time.. esp her 🙄

Shocking that the former head of the Army of the UK was proudly declaring the Taliban wouldn't be able to capture the country, even as they were rapidly seizing provincial capitals and the Afghan army was collapsing all around us. I really don't know what he was arguing for either, "The UK government needs to give more vocal support?" What difference does that make to the battlefield?

Every invading army since Alexander the great have struggled with this problem they don't always lose but never win they get stuck

The only victim of this bloody war. Innocent Afghan People....

General Dannatt was staggering off the mark there....

@leew1598

Жыл бұрын

I know, shocking how poorly he read this situation as the Taliban were rapidly capturing the country and the Afghan forces were being overrun.

Answer is "EVERYTHING "

Now everything is going right ❤️

It would be a mistake to simplify Afghanistan into talaban and afghan people. The talaban seems to have enough support from the people to win against the government.

@alipaf2002

2 жыл бұрын

Yes that General is an idiot

Lack of infrastructure, communication and education: No real national feeling and thereby lack of interest in the idea of a unified Afghanistan. People are mainly worried about what's going on in their neighbourhood. I think it's a bad idea that ANAs soldiers in South, comes from the North.. And the other way around. The soldiers should know the neighbourhood they're fighting in. The current approach doesn't work..

@rodtukker1904

2 жыл бұрын

They are never worried. They make babies war or not. That's not someone with an idea of worrying would do.

@heinedenmark

2 жыл бұрын

@@rodtukker1904 Hmm.. Yeah. Just like Africans and so on. Nothing to worry about 🤔 It's their 'pension fund'.. You need to travel more

the extreme blushing of the generals face say's he's hiding something XD

@user-kq5qp6dh8l

2 жыл бұрын

That’s the whiskey

This is so weird but is that the goddamn music from the video game Battlefield Modern Combat?