I ride my Vespa over the Brooklyn Bridge daily and every single time I do, I see guys on scooters-sorry, I mean Class A and Class B mopeds-getting on and off the bridge bike path. Insane. They should be on the roadway where I am. Way too heavy and fast. They have a *combustion engine* on them for christ sake.

@StreetfilmsCommunity

8 ай бұрын

It's truly amazing how many people call mopeds = scooters. Thanks for the honesty. One of the reasons I made this. And also the number of city workers, FDNY and NYPD who will talk in general about "e-bike fires" but when you see the video of the charred remains it is a moped or some other souped-up device that is not a standard e-bike at all.

@SoybeanAK

8 ай бұрын

@@StreetfilmsCommunity Keep fighting the good fight, we need more people aware of the inherent classism and danger of car dependency in North America! Couple points, nearly all the rest of the (city, state, and federal) agencies in the country that regulate e-bikes use a different definition of Class 3 than New York City. No throttle, 28mph max assist. And, the rest of the English-speaking world uses moped to mean a thing with both MOtor and PEDals, for over a century now. NYC can do what they want, but from what I've seen every other gov't agency in the U.S., as well as every manufacturer, dealer, and most end users- call a pass-through motorcycle with fairings a scooter, and have since long before the stand-on Razor-esque type was invented.

The solution is more and wider bike lanes

@StreetfilmsCommunity

8 ай бұрын

My public service. Here is the proof: www.openplans.org/blog/widerbikelanes

When I commuted by bike until I retired in 2019 there would be an occasional ebike in the bike lanes on 1st/2nd Ave and the bridges. Now they along with the mopeds have become the dominant vehicle in the lanes, making the lanes into what the roads used to be for cyclists. The lanes were not designed for the speeds these can attain. A cyclist might be able to do 25mph for a short distance, I know I can, but to maintain it is difficult. The motorized bikes don't have that limitation until the battery or gas runs out at which point they fill up. When I've hit my limit I can't just fill up. It has effectively increased the average speed in the lanes, and not for the better.

Those e mopeds are quite annoying, especially when they use the bike lane and take the whole bike lane. A problem here in Toronto aswell

@StreetfilmsCommunity

8 ай бұрын

Any mopeds are illegal to use anywhere in any bike lane, greenway, protected bike lane here in NYC. But the NYPD never cracks down on them. Hell, sometimes we see motorcycles. It is absolutely scary for me on an e-bike that can't go past 20mph (and very rarely am I above 15mph) to be passed by some devices at more than 2x my speed.

@transportationland6395

8 ай бұрын

@@StreetfilmsCommunity It really is scary for us e-bikes and acoustic bicycle riders. Here in Toronto we have these electric mopeds that are labeled as "e-bikes", even though they are not. These "e-bikes" are allowed to painted bike lanes, but not protected bike lanes, off street cycle tracks, and shared trails. Despite them not being allowed to use anything except painted bike lanes and the road, I see them all of the time cut off bicycles, pedestrians, and other road users. They really need to be enforced by law enforcement.

@StreetfilmsCommunity

8 ай бұрын

And the acceleration of the devices is what makes them even more scary. @@transportationland6395

@cycologist7069

5 ай бұрын

@@StreetfilmsCommunity That's a gobsmacker right there. One would think NYPD would be all about ticketing people for any reason they can find. This should be a cash cow for them.

Streetfilms upload!!!

Great video, definitely a tough problem to tackle. A mix of infrastructure problems, social problems, and regulation problems. We should definitely encourage micro mobility over cars in the city, but the laws aren't catching up on the technology for sure.

My biggest problem with all this is how quickly we set limits on e-bikes and e-scooters, and not cars. Bikes and scooters, which will very likely not kill a pedestrian in a collision, are speed limited. Yet cars, which can definitely kill a pedestrian with ease, can go way faster than allowed, and we rely on drivers' good will to obey the speed limit. This is completely backwards.

@ladolcevita18

8 ай бұрын

What are you talking about? There are no laws being followed for speeding cycles and no regulation. With no plates, no way to ticket.

@ladolcevita18

8 ай бұрын

Ebikes and scooters HAVE INJURED AND KILLED MANY. Wake up bro

@marcscattolin1554

8 ай бұрын

​@@ladolcevita18there are some cities with scooter share programs where the scooters have geofenced speed limits, that's probably what he meant

@mbords01

8 ай бұрын

No speed limit , no license, no insurance and they are heavy!

@marcscattolin1554

8 ай бұрын

@@mbords01 Bikes are ticketed for going over the speed limit, although it's not very common. It is impossible for speed cameras to work on bikes, I admit

Great comprehensive explanation with real life examples

NYC needs moped lanes like they have in Taipei.

@Murillos1

8 ай бұрын

Thing is that there's a better solution- Netherlands infrastructure

Great video and a huge problem here in queens. Motorcycles and mopeds all over the sidewalk running you down if you don’t get out of their way.

@stephensaines7100

8 ай бұрын

And then we conscientious ones get tarred by their behaviour.

This is great to know 🚴

Good, informative video. The added confusion comes when motorcyclists get involved because our terminology is different. Those things that you call mopeds are not mopeds to us. They are scooters with step-thru frames and limited displacement (if gas powered) and thus cannot be used on the highway. Mopeds to us are the 50cc 2-stroke motorcycle-styled vehicles with pedals. In the motorcycle world, that thing you called a motorcycle is a scooter. I'd love to see "powered 2-wheel" lanes added with speeds above 25mph that motorcycles, mopeds, and scooters (both kinds) can use. Let's take a car lane to make this.

Seriously good video!

I bike less in nyc today will all the scooters in the bike lanes… it’s just, they are too big and fast. And uninsured.

Great information. Definitely a tough problem. I wonder how the Netherlands solves this

The electric mopeds is becoming some sort of gray area here in Jakarta, Indonesia. Because some of em do have pedals, looks like a scooter with seating, hybridly powered by electric/legs. It's cheap. And there's no license plate on it, bcs you can't, it's not technically a motorcycle😆. The law will need to adjust to license the bikes.

I dunno if you are looking for KZread feedback, but this video would perform even better with a simpler thumbnail. Also having the same copy/content in the thumbnail and the headline is redundant. Anyway, I am just passing on these thoughts because you have great content/message that more people need to hear! Thank you!

@StreetfilmsCommunity

8 ай бұрын

With over 1,000 films I usually tend to do that if you look at other stuff. But we needed to post it and the original idea was to title it something other than the fun line in the thumbnail. But everyone loved that as the title so much I just kept it.

Common sense speeds and riding the correct direction in the bike lane cure 99% of issues using them, nice job SF and Gersh

I've got a regular class IIII e-bike, with 750 Watts, and with athletic peddling, at 80% assist, I can hit 30 MPH plus on the flat. They're designed for 28 MPH, so the 25 MPH part is incorrect. As far the gas mopeds go, they've got to feel safe too. They probably should be able to use the bike lanes some of the time. But all that takes really is just some common sense with the speeds, which shouldn't be faster than the regular bikes go. How is that so difficult? There's a double wide sidewalk everyone uses here, for bikes and e-bikes especially, which also dovetails into the regular blacktop bike path. When I'm on that, I limit myself to 20 MPH, or about that if I'm on the regular bikes with no speedometer. With massively more people in the bike lanes I'd probably make that more like 15. That's all a moped guy would have to do. Probably some signs suggesting the lower sensible speed would fit the bill.

Was that the first F bomb on Streetfilms?!?! 🤣🤣

@StreetfilmsCommunity

8 ай бұрын

There have been a few bad words. Kate McKinnon dropped an F-bomb as Veronica Moss,

Also! Why the hell did the NYCDOT change the industry standard for Class III E-Bikes?!?! Jesus H Christ!! Everyone knows the standard definition is pedal assist up to 28 mph, NO THROTTLE!!!

@cycologist7069

5 ай бұрын

Class 3's have always been allowed to have a throttle. It's just that the throttle can only go to 20 but the ped assist can go up to 28.

revel scooters can go 30 not 20. and the issue with fast ebikes is generally not people "souping them up," it's that companies sell fast ebikes limited to 20mph to skirt legality but much higher speeds can be unlocked with a few buttons

@keacoq

8 ай бұрын

They soup them up by disabling the speed limiter...

Hey Gersh. You're wrong. It's not the VIN number preventing the license and plate

The traffic laws and rules of roadways for motorcars need to be scrapped and replaced by new set of laws and rules to accommodate the modern diversity of options for mobility. Also, what are the modern purposes of sidewalks and bike lanes and trails, each conceived of at a time when pedestrians used sidewalks to access street-level shops for all their shopping needs, and bike lanes were meant to provide a space for unassisted pedal powered bicycles. The modern use cases and users are very different than what either of these transit surfaces were originally intended.

I went to Sweden recently and there were mopeds everywhere (even on the sidewalks and in the bike lanes) but they always went slow when there were lots of people/bikes around and were almost exclusively used by delivery people. (You had to worry more about getting hit by a bike than a car because the cars always stopped but the bikes just kept going.) It was nice though, being in a place when you did not have to worry about being run down by a 1000kg hunk of metal every time you set a foot in the street.

This guy for mayor!

@StreetfilmsCommunity

8 ай бұрын

Haha. Gersh will love that.

The 40.000 injuries a year is just a start. let us see what it is next year...50.000?

The bike lane for analog bikes needs to be away from the gutter where there are too many obstructions, sewer grills, manhole covers, con-ed access covers, and debris. It's impossible to ride a straight line, and avoiding them with faster riders trying to pass in crowded bike lanes is dangerous. The solution is to widen the bike lanes to two car lanes. On the 59th Street bridge the city is dragging its feet, I propose allowing mopeds and faster cyclists to share the lower roadway with vehicles. I find it safer to share the road with vehicles that are going at the same speed, it's much safer, and less stressful than using that bike lane.

Keep fighting the good fight, we need more people aware of the inherent classism and danger of car dependency in North America! Couple points, nearly all the rest of the (city, state, and federal) agencies in the country that regulate e-bikes use a different definition of Class 3 than New York City. No throttle, 28mph max assist. And, the rest of the English-speaking world uses moped to mean a thing with both MOtor and PEDals, for over a century now. NYC can do what they want, but everyone else- governments, manufacturers, and users- calls a pass-through motorcycle with fairings a scooter, and has since long before the stand-on Razor-esque type was invented.

They will soon ALL BE REQUIRED to have a license plate.

What you are calling "mopeds" aren't mopeds. Those are scooters. They aren't the stand up scooters that look like the love child of a bicycle and a skateboard, but they are scooters, modern versions the classic Vespa scooters.

@StreetfilmsCommunity

8 ай бұрын

We are presenting what the law is in NYC and NYS. They are classified as mopeds. We can't change the language and present the rules.

@arrow1414

8 ай бұрын

@@StreetfilmsCommunity Okay, but that is silly on their part. I am old enough to remember the gas powered moped craze here in NYC back in the mid 1970s. They had pedels. They were essentially the gas versions of today's electric Citibikes, looking a lot like them in fact but a lot noisier!😊

I own and ride an electric kickscoot... I find it better to call it an electric kickscooter, or no one knows what you mean.

@SoybeanAK

8 ай бұрын

That's a good solution! Compared to the people (and apparently NYC gov't) calling traditional scooters "mopeds" even though they've got a MOtor and no PEDal(er). I have a friend who uses an electric kickscoot to get around his suburb, but the foldable ones seem like a great last-mile option!

Are we seriously using the term "acoustic bicycle" now?

@cycologist7069

5 ай бұрын

Actually, analog. But yes, e-bike FAR outnumber non e-bikes in many places.

NYC LAW: No driving bikes on sidewalks unless sign allows or wheels are less than 26 inches in diameter AND rider is twelve years or younger. NYC LAW: No driving bikes in crosswalks. Bikes must be walked in crosswalks. PASSING any moving vehicle on the right is suicide: DON'T DO IT. NYC needs more BUS LANES, not everyone can ride a bike. Everyone can ride a bus. NYC needs everyone to obey the laws of NYC DOT and not the law of ME FIRST.

Your my new favorite Karen.

Well, here I come I can get up to 25 mph with my legs no motor just me a old man, a young man can ride 30 mph it’s called a velomobiel, some guy called it a gocart give me a little help with gravity and I can let up to 45mph I’m a bicycle I ride in the bike lanes I look like a car I drive it like a car in a way I can add a motor aftermarket my body protected with a shell /body I’m inside this body/shell, your not! It’s getting very interesting riding in the bike lanes. So far I ridden in 40 states 5 country’s in Europe Spain lanes are in the middle of the streets and sidewalks, Netherlands has bike roads city to city by far the best system. The main problem I see, the population of people and the density of the cities. Just not enough room on the streets of all the people. Enjoy it’s just going to get worse!

The hilarious part in this almost rant about traffic in NYC is that the main bad guys are cars and trucks... Without which, all of NYC would _starve_ . While I do support getting more of our transport in EVs, the simple fact is you can't get food for seven million people into a city every day on an E-bike. And don't tell me you would use the trains. The subway system sucks too, and you know it. That's why so many travel by bicycle.

@NomoregoodnamesD8

8 ай бұрын

The majority of traffic is just a single person driving through the city carrying nothing but their wallet, phone, and keys... How many fewer or smaller delivery trucks could be used to service NYC if the majority current commuting motorists were instead walking or biking? NYC could create entire pedestrian routes with very limited or no driving space, disallowing larger trucks and discouraging motorist traffic, reducing the conflicts between cars & trucks and pedestrians.

@Cee64E

8 ай бұрын

@@NomoregoodnamesD8, except most native New Yorkers don't own a car. There's literally no place to park one that you don't have to move it somewhere else during part of the day, or pay to let it sit. Most of the car traffic comes from out of town, or 5th Ave. Driving in NYC _sucks_ as it is. Do you really think they are going to stop the few people who can afford it from driving when it's those people supporting the city politically? As If...

@cycologist7069

5 ай бұрын

Nowhere did anyone say ALL food deliveries can be done by bike/e-bike/whatever. No one said anything to the effect of banning delivery vehicles. Why did make such post?

I don't get why these speed demons want to ride in the crowded bike lanes since they are way more obstacles than cars in the street. They really need a few ebike or moped lanes down the busier, wider streets at this point.

@cycologist7069

5 ай бұрын

Or perhaps all e-bikes that use the bike lane be regulated to class 1 only, like in other cities.

@GirtonOramsay

5 ай бұрын

@@cycologist7069 good luck enforcing that

@cycologist7069

5 ай бұрын

@@GirtonOramsay It's only as hard as the city wants to make it. Others seem to manage and yet others don't.

@cycologist7069

5 ай бұрын

@@GirtonOramsay San Diego where I live is a prefect example of a city that cannot enforce it so instead they simply allow all types of two wheeled craft as long as there's not combustion engine. Thank fully we don't have nearly the congestion of NYC.

@GirtonOramsay

5 ай бұрын

​@@cycologist7069I heard about the issues of ebikes in north county. I'm a new san diego resident myself and don't see much issues with ebikes, at least on local trails. Just dumbass kids that don't know how to follow any road rules. I've seen kids ride against the traffic into a freaking bus that rightfully honked at them, and they just kept going after that happened...

As a pedestrian who was hit by a moped one year ago and now paralyzed on my right side.. I am horrified that you think our biggest problem is still cars. My good man stating all the laws that so many do not abide by is one thing, stating only car accident stats and not the correct stats with these killer e-vehicles is another! None of these vehicles should ever ride on sidewalks, into crosswalks against the light as was done when I was hit. No accountability either. Pedestrians are not just fearful, thousands of people have been severely injured some have died , just in the last year. You fail to mention the victims of these why? Are you scared of the truth?

@StreetfilmsCommunity

8 ай бұрын

Although I am sorry to hear that and very sad that happened and it must be horrible, cars are still by far the #1 killer and maimer of pedestrians and bicycle riders. That doesn't mean that people do not get injured and very rarely killed by a moped or e-bike. Definitely no vehicle of any kind should never ride or drive on the sidewalk, that certainly is not endorsed or wanted. And no one is pretending there is no fear, it is warranted by reckless users. But statistics bear out cars are far far more dangerous.

@pamelagreitzer1582

8 ай бұрын

Those stats you quote are incorrect. These e-vehicle crashes are either reported incorrectly or not reported at all. People aren’t fearful of getting hit people have already been hit and continue to be hit every single day!! Like I said in one year a thousand too many!!

@StreetfilmsCommunity

8 ай бұрын

@@pamelagreitzer1582 The numbers are very clear: up until about 5 years ago cars were responsible for 99% of injuries and deaths to pedestrians and cyclists. About 5 years ago it slightly changed to anywhere between 96% to 98% based upon the year. Of course that indicates there is an elevated problem and issue that should be looked at, but cars are still very clearly the mode that kills and injures the most.

@cycologist7069

5 ай бұрын

@@pamelagreitzer1582 I too am sorry this happened to you, but you are in fact being disingenuous. That being said, I agree e-vehicles should not be in bike lanes, or at least limited to class 1. TBH, I think class 1s should be limited to 15 mph in NYC (like most of Europe).

I don't know why that in nyc motor scooter's are called a moped? Having ine in a bike lane is the equivalent of driving a car on the sidewalk 😖

mopets and motorcycles should be banned globally to be build and sold in first place. improve subway, tramline, cycling. mopets and motorbikes cause in europe problems too and they get fined and sanctioned a lot. they are also used for criminal activities, like robbing people who are just walking on streets.

@cycologist7069

5 ай бұрын

What's a mopet?

Class 3 is bullcrap IMO. They do not belong in the bike lane. Get into the street.

@cycologist7069

5 ай бұрын

In some cities, that's the law.

yeah bro, I spook cyclists on my kaabo e-scooter that can do 50mph so much that in busy areas of the city, regular bicycles are passing me

It's because the NYCDOT and NYPD are not following the regulations already in place. My God man, stop spreading misinformation. Peddle assist can travel over 25-30mph, NO KIDDING. You say the speed is capped. Does not matter. People pick up speed and run the mph over safe limits

Currently, emobility is the MAIN concern for a great percentage of NYers. Not cars. Get off it. And bike lanes don't need to be wider. We need emobility to follow speed laws and ride in the ROAD. Evehicles are not-so-green either. At all. Exploding, non-biodegradable and a hazard on the street. Get rid of them all. Entitled Citibike users CONSTANTLY break traffic laws. Every day I'm nearly hit by an "e-tiitled" jerk on a Citibike. And they're rude as hell. Citibike should be ashamed. Horrible company and no ethics in business. Get rid of them.

@cycologist7069

5 ай бұрын

Everybody says every one else is entitled and should be "banned". Wash, rinse, and repeat.

Congestion pricing just pushes the poorest people off the road.

@ezrakainz

8 ай бұрын

Its not economical to drive anyway.

@micosstar

8 ай бұрын

@@ezrakainz exactly, a car is an asset that depreciates; everyone knows this fact (it’s common sense, especially in car-centric north america)

@milesrout

8 ай бұрын

No it doesn’t. It pushes the people that put the least value on being on the road off the road.

@SoybeanAK

8 ай бұрын

@@milesrout But the consumer determines value, in any economic system. The surgeon who works 3 days a week driving his Beemer for fun won't care about a $5 charge to drive through town on his day off, he's got millions in the bank. The single mom getting between her 2 jobs with a '98 Suburban on bald tires can't afford to keep it repaired, much less drop an extra $25 a week on congestion charges. So, like gas taxes and so many more well-intentioned ideas, congestion charges are regressive taxes that most hurt the ones who can least afford it.

Great summary of the world-wide issues with all the new forms of motorised two-wheel (or one-wheeel) transport. Here in Bordeaux, France few mopeds in bike lanes, and e-assist limited to 25 km/h. And motor vehicle drivers are generally pretty respectful of cyclists and pedestrians. But cyclists are not very respectful of pedestrian crossings.