Don’t forget, small is sometimes better. If you play mostly by yourself, a little crt on your desk is very fun.

@mlmattin

11 ай бұрын

Not to mention, those big ones are HEAVY.

@tr1bes

7 ай бұрын

​@@mlmattinI use my daughter's station wagon to pull that beast. That thing is a monstrosity.

@Streetsupra88

5 ай бұрын

Yup, just picked up a 14" DVD combo last night for $10. I'm stoked!

Thanks for driving up the prices again , IGN.

@lldjslim

Жыл бұрын

I'm very picky when it comes to a CRT TV, if it's not a flat screen, is bigger than 19" - 27" inches, doesn't have component outputs, then I'm not interested in it

@pabloescoe

Жыл бұрын

@@lldjslim why the flat screen though? Then light guns won’t work right.

@lldjslim

Жыл бұрын

@@pabloescoe Flat screen just looks better than the bubble screen Light guns work perfect with a flat screen

@pabloescoe

Жыл бұрын

@@lldjslim really? I’ve had trouble with them. Maybe it was just me.

@lldjslim

Жыл бұрын

@@pabloescoe I'm using a Sony trinitron wega kv-20fs120

My tip for anyone entering the hobby is the diminishing returns going from a later model CRT to a PVM. It just isn't worth the thousand-dollar premium. If you can find a PVM for free, sure why not. But an early 2000s model Sony WEGA with component for example is ~95% of the way there and can be found for free. And if you are comfortable giving it a proper calibration, most people would fail an A/B test between the two on 240p content.

@ohayes86

Жыл бұрын

Spot on! You don't need a PVM a quality CRT TV is perfect for even 'enthusiasts'

@soulreaperx7x

3 ай бұрын

It's near impossible to find Sony Wegas for free.

One of the few advantages we have in PAL areas is the SCART cable, even still shows up on most modern TVs i've seen

@MylarBalloonLover

Жыл бұрын

Scart plugs just breaks easy.

@Espartanica

7 ай бұрын

All hail the SHART cable

@MyBrothersKeeper101

3 ай бұрын

50 HZ

@patrickmcwilliams7609

3 ай бұрын

​@@MyBrothersKeeper101my pal crt TV does 60HZ and has scart

You know you're old when you're laughing over how to describe a CRT TV to young people. Hilarious

@phoenixfaze1

Жыл бұрын

IGN making it sound so sophisticated lol

@jasonboswell483

Жыл бұрын

Oh man lol, you right tho😂. Shout out to the floors of our old homes that suffered from holding those heavy @$$ FLOOR MODEL CRT’s down 🤣🤣🤣.

@jefferyflood

Жыл бұрын

Don't get started on vcrs yet

@PLAYER_42069

Жыл бұрын

For Gen Xers... The gen that grew up along side the video game industry as it grew, but Millennials & Zoomers refuse to acknowledge exist... All of this stuff isn't retro. It's just what we had back in the day. And we liked it! It's only been 15-or-so-odd-years since the standards (16:9, HDMI) we're used to now started to become widely adopted. I'm grateful for the advances in die shrink technology, but there are still some things analog does better than digital and always will.

@Bearded.Jim1989

Жыл бұрын

​@@PLAYER_42069Millennials also grew up with crts, 16 bit, 32/64 bit consoles and gaming industry, while still niche, growing along with it as well. You may have a point with gen z, you're wrong about millennials.

Fun video, Seth! CRTs are also an important part of Game Preservation. It's the display format most retro games were designed to be played on. From the aspect ratio to the assets used to make up the images to even the timing (PAL, NTSC). A lot of systems and organizations that claim they are preserving games are just using modded retro hardware, but with modern digital outputs which not only alters how some games play (some are unplayable due to lag), but isn't a 1:1 presentation/preservation of how the game originally launched and what the developers intended.

@blah4151

Жыл бұрын

The stuff that Analog has done is amazing but ubfortunately they're discontinuing their Genesis/SNES consoles.

@lldjslim

Жыл бұрын

I'm very picky when it comes to a CRT TV, if it's not a flat screen, is bigger than 19" - 27" inches, doesn't have component outputs, then I'm not interested in it

@BenGilman

Жыл бұрын

@@lldjslim why paste this in so many random reply’s just leave a comment 😂

@TylerEubank

5 ай бұрын

@@BenGilmanhe’s waiting to see if someone argues or praises so he can get more info from people

I've grew up with the 80s woodgrain crt tv, 90s black curved Philip's tv, and mid 2000s silver tv. N64 and PS2 were my childhood.

@TheVoiceofTheProphetElizer

3 ай бұрын

You managed to take me on a 3 decade journey in under 15 seconds by describing each TV and the casing they came in. Thank you. Takes me back.

Seth, that wasn't a Wega Sony pictured. Just a normal S/V/XBR Sony. Wegas were the completely flat Trinitrons and had HD and SD variants-- XBR>V>S. They had 30 and 34" in 16:9 and had 32, 36, and 40" in 4:3. The Sony Wegas and the JVC I'Arts were probably the best ones out there for CRTs.

@coonyman10

Жыл бұрын

Definitely get some well built friends to move that 40" lol

@sammiches6859

4 ай бұрын

​@@coonyman10I have a tree stump and a stack of books underneath our folding table to keep my Sony from collapsing it.

My son just turned 13 and he's never even seen a CRT in action. Tried explaining to him that a CRT the size of our 75" flat panel would take up most of the living room and would weigh about half a ton. His mind was blown.

HDCRT TVs (Edit: TVs, not monitors like Sony's PVM line) are pretty awful for anything older than a PS2. They generally can only output 540p (upscaled from 480p) or 1080i (native, upscaled from 720p, or interlaced 1080p). Anything 480i and 240p is (lag-inducingly) upscaled to 1080i, and looks pretty terrible. They're great for PS3/360/Wii, and the select games that do 480p on PS2/DC/XB/GC, but you're much better off with a with even a mid-range Standard Def model with S-Video for anything older than that.

@loganjones4650

Жыл бұрын

This^ Thank you for speaking the truth!

@dubson965

Жыл бұрын

does the 480p stay 480p, or get upscaled to 540p? is 480p laggy on them?

@loganjones4650

Жыл бұрын

@@dubson965 It depends on the set. All Philips, Toshiba sets before 2003, Samsung sets before 2005, All panasonic sets, present 480p and 1080i as separate scanning ranges and are lagless at those resolutions. All Sony, All JVC, Toshiba sets post 2003, Samsung sets post 2005, and others scale 480p to 540p and have some lag at that resolution. 1080i may have some lag too, but not as much.

@sebastiann.8088

Жыл бұрын

​@@loganjones4650 What about Magnavox???

@lovemadeinjapan

6 ай бұрын

and most do 100Hz processing as well, introducing lag and killing Duck Hunt.

Found several CRTs on craigslist for free recently.

@mrbungle589

Жыл бұрын

Craigslist and the Facebook market place is a gold mine. 👍

@danmiguel1260

Ай бұрын

@@mrbungle589 And Kijijji Canada..

In Europe, you should make sure whether the TV you're buying has RGB and S-video input via SCART, and whether it can display PAL 50 Hz and 60 Hz, and NTSC signals. Most Euro TVs that have SCART do also receive RGB, but not all receive S-video. While later models generally can display 60 Hz and NTSC, many older models can only do PAL 50 Hz.

Great. Now people will increase 🙄 the price of CRT TVs even more. Also, 1080i is really bad for retro games. HD CRTs are great for media content and maybe PS2 and newer, but not for 32 bit and older consoles.

@ioasisyumich

Жыл бұрын

Just get one at a yard sale for $20 dude jfc.

@alimoo8531

Жыл бұрын

@@ioasisyumich naa, side of the road for free B)

@OctopusTone

Жыл бұрын

Yup input lag

@lldjslim

Жыл бұрын

I'm very picky when it comes to a CRT TV, if it's not a flat screen, is bigger than 19" - 27" inches, doesn't have component outputs, then I'm not interested in it

Love CRTs. They are gold. Especially Trinitrons.

@kirbo-db6mw

Жыл бұрын

Look out for the Toshiba AF too

@brycethevideoguy4481

3 ай бұрын

Agreed

This is also a viable solution for playing games that don't have lag calibration (e.g. Guitar Hero (2005).)

Playing PES 2009 and Syphon Filter on a CRT brings ne memories...

The CRT journey is not for everyone and maybe not even for most people. However, if you're just enough of a purist, like me, that prefers to experience media in the way it was originally envisioned, it can be incredibly satisfying to be playing classic games on real hardware and in the glow of a true cathode ray accelerator.

@Euruk1

Жыл бұрын

A fellow man of culture *tips hat*

@HollowRick

Жыл бұрын

As a man who recently got a 27 inch Sony Trinitron from 1998 and is currently playing xenogears on that thing *tips hat*

@damian9303

11 ай бұрын

Just main a plasma set and it’d be like setting the CRT filter

@MyBrothersKeeper101

3 ай бұрын

Need that 0 Ms response time of the CRT. It's absolutely Paramount. Try playing Mike Tyson's Punch-Out through an emulator with a modern TV with 5 + milliseconds lag.

@scaare

2 ай бұрын

@@MyBrothersKeeper101 man the 0ms on the crt tvs is amazing and it is not comparable to anything, people dont even know

And this video will help prices sky rocket.

some other benefits of crt tv not mentioned in the video = 0 input lag and gun games compatible

found my wide screen hd crt from 2005 back in 2020 for free with stand and remote its been a joy from heaven since.

Hard to find them now without people selling them as "collectable"

@bnr32jason

Жыл бұрын

Because they are. People who want them want them for a reason. Where there is demand, the price will adjust accordingly.

@DelGTAGrndrs

Жыл бұрын

@@bnr32jasonfacts

@cardndmch

9 күн бұрын

@@bnr32jason fk capitalism

Throw a Sega Genesis on a CRT via component cables or SCART converted to component, and it looks amazing. Also Sega Saturn.

@sebastiann.8088

Жыл бұрын

Agreed with Saturn!

As long as you get one that works and it's free, that's what matters. You can use em for light guns.

@survivalhh2995

Жыл бұрын

Not really get one with atleast composite then your fine

@alpzepta

10 ай бұрын

Not anymore Sony Trinitron probably cost $500 now

What’s sad is in 10 years 99% of CRTs will be gone forever and there will never be large scale production of them ever again

@survivalhh2995

Жыл бұрын

That's why we need to take care of our crts and do maintenance and cleaning

@bearclaw5115

Жыл бұрын

99%? No. Yes, more of them will disappear but they have been out of production for 15yrs already and there are still quite a few around. It will be harder to get one for free by then though!

@beauv6017

Жыл бұрын

If there is a demand, someone will build em again. Its not lost tech, just old tech.

@kirbo-db6mw

Жыл бұрын

Can you relax all you need to do is simple maintenance on them if you want them to last

@jello5508

Жыл бұрын

@@bearclaw5115 they barely went out of production in 2015

Picked up an old 20 inch Panasonic flat screen crt with vhs and DVD combo and it's awesome

@Warp3326

Жыл бұрын

Nice!

Fun change of pace!

There goes the market

modern games look great on CRT especially in motion

You didn’t mention the older dipole antenna connection. RF was a step up from that.

Just picked up a Sony Trinitron 29 inch with component, and three composite jacks (no s video sadly). Got it for free, so very happy

Sony trinitron have fun loading picking it up

For Europe, the gold standard in cables is SCART, which makes consoles like the SNES output RGB without modding. By the way RGB, that’s another rabbit hole, but well worth it for the retro gaming enthusiast

@bnr32jason

Жыл бұрын

That's not entirely true. SCART is simply a connection standard, it can pass through composite and RGB. For example, the SNES Mini/Jr can't output RGB natively, but it also has the circuitry for the best overall image quality, so you have to RGB mod it still or else it's just passing composite through the SCART cable.

@2kBofFun

Жыл бұрын

@@bnr32jason Don't forget SCART also transmits S-video, many SCART TV's have no S-video plugs, as you feed the signal through SCART. S-video is usually very close to RGB quality.

CRT is a lifestyle

Your intro rant and rave about spending money emulators etc was SPOT ON!!!!!

Technically if you have a RGB to component transcoder you can run SNES Genesis and PlayStation on a CRT with component because those consoles support RGB video

Thank you for making this video! 🙏🏽 It’s been hard to find info in an easily digestible video like this one lol

"Budget to Best" was not covered at all here tbh. All you did was explain that Component is better than Composite and demo'd a budget Daewoo. Plus you called a 27" Wega a "grail". This video is a nothing-burger.

Full retro set is the way to go, to have that youth full experiance and memories.

Xbox 360 + VGA cable + CRT pc monitor = awesome!

If you didnt want to spend money on CRT, let alone store the chunk of it plus many original console, Retroarch have a decent emulated CRT Shader called CRT Geom that could be set however you want. It can simulate the curve, the moire pattern, the dot of CRT quite well

@DiSCERiTY

Жыл бұрын

The whole point of CRT isn't really just the look, its the near zero input lag.

@kirbo-db6mw

Жыл бұрын

Dude you can just get one for free or like 10$

@aydointergalacticcorporati698

11 ай бұрын

@@DiSCERiTYeh, a lot of people actually do like them for the ascetic so...

@zetsuboushinjiruu9350

10 ай бұрын

The CRT TVs can be found...only at 2nd hand stores ( or flea market above anywhere else )

you can find CRT's on the low very often if you know where to look

Some HD CRTs had issues with LAG and Sync with when connected to consoles.

@Warp3326

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that was typically on consoles older than the ps2 or gamecube.

the chances of me finding one in my town are slim ive checked everywhere well it doesnt help that im looking for like anything under 20 inches but its gonna be harder now since demand for them are going up and people will charge a hefty sum for such old tvs

Just picked up a Panasonic Tau dvd vhs for 20$ last week after my Sony Trinatron had a accident 😢 I cried but it’s getting so hard that find a crt😮

There go the prices hikes on retro again

one of the best IGN VIDEOS

You missed SCART connectors. They supports sVideo, Composite and even RGB which is clearer than Component. Not common in the USA, but they are everywhere else

@ians_parks

Жыл бұрын

It not being common in the US is likely why they glossed over it.

@ShankMods

Жыл бұрын

SCART does not support svideo, only composite and RGB. RGB is not "cleaner" than YPbPr. It has equal color separation and bandwidth, but uses the luma color space. They are essentially the same, with a matrix transformation. The myth of YPbPr being worse comes from poor YPbPr decoding on devices like the framemeister and some RGB moddable consumer TVs. RGB modding on these sets bypasses other circuitry that may negatively affect the image, such as velocity modulation, which people incorrectly assume to be the consequence of YPbPr.

@realamericannegro977

Жыл бұрын

Rgb and component looks the same to me.

@3jake5mee

Жыл бұрын

Yeah USA basically non-existent*

@bearclaw5115

Жыл бұрын

@@ShankMods Great reply!

Still have my 27 in crt and rocking the n64 and then some

Seth Macy is my spirit animal.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but light guns don't work on HD crts.

Ugh, stop advertising CRTs to the masses and increasing demand. 🤦‍♂️

@survivalhh2995

Жыл бұрын

Imagine what Facebook market place is going to look like now lmao

1:44 Gotta take points off for using the term "VHS player."

Thankfully, there's component cables for the SNES and Genesis out there. Those old consoles had great RGB, but not in the US, so there's folks that made a cable that converts it to component and they look fantastic. Unfortunately, the N64 has to be modded for RGB for the cable to work

@kirbo-db6mw

Жыл бұрын

Just get a scart cable and transcode it to component

Very awesome

Some "old" games are unplayable with Digital Input Lag.

Got a Samsung flat screen HD crt that has tons of hookups got it free it’s a 32 inch it’s insanely heavy

Okay but is it worth buying an old crt tv for use as a modern gaming monitor?

Bring back CRTs!!!!

Once OLED monitors and low latency upscalers become cheaper than an arm and a leg the last of the CRTs can finally rest in the museums

@TBDx545

Жыл бұрын

Well, to be on par with a CRT it would also need to have MPRT roughly equivalent to a 1000hz OLED being fed a 1000fps image (MPRT can be lowered by BFI too but at the cost of luminance which you need a LOT of to match the motion and brightness of a CRT). Input lag is another big area that arguably doesn't matter a whole lot but is something CRTs retain an edge in, the input latency of a CRT is so low that it's easier to just call it lagless than get into semantics. This is why light gun games work on a CRT but pretty much no flat panel displays and also why smash bros players are up in arms over them. The way it handles the image is to me the most important part however, lacking actual pixels results in a MUCH more appealing look for low resolution media which while it can be *somewhat* replicated by scanline shaders IMO doesn't quite compare to the authentic experience. Also doesn't help that you can't really do interlacing properly (yknow, the thing CRTs were actually designed to display that accounts for a fair amount of titles released on these retro consoles) and deinterlacing is absolutely a different look. We've had low latency scalers and OLED displays for years now but it's going to take a lot more to replace their functionality, you also won't ever be able to replace the authenticity of matching your game consoles to the proper kind of display.

@chrisherbert

Жыл бұрын

Modern displays have pretty thoroughly conquered issues with lag, but they're still horrible when it comes to motion resolution. Black frame insertion can help a little, but unless you have an LG CX that supports 120hz BFI, you're not getting anything close to what a CRT does without any special settings. And even then, there are big tradeoffs in brightness and flicker than will make that feature pretty worthless for most people.

I’m loving 2023 … moving backwards

Snagged me a little CRT yesterday for $20 😏

This the type of tv you gotta smack the side a couple times for the picture and sound to work correctly

@kirbo-db6mw

Жыл бұрын

What?

Great video

Legend!🤘

There is an alternative, although not perfect you can often get LCD TVs with 640X480 60P native resolution for almost nothing.

Basically what ever you can find locally

brands should create crt tv again.

got a Toshiba mw20f52 with a built in vhs/dvd player

Forgot that the US TVs didn't usually have SCART, like the TVs in Europe did

I'm not a fan of people (like this guy) who hoard a ton of CRTs and don't even use them on a regular basis. You're part of the reason why these this are in such high demand and so expensive.

@aKuBiKu

11 ай бұрын

My brother in Christ most of these would probably end up in landfill anyway.

@sizzurpmp3

11 ай бұрын

@@aKuBiKu There’s literally no way of knowing that. Perhaps others could’ve gotten to them before this guy. Either way there’s no need to gatekeep an entire mountain of CRTs.

Got a Toshiba 14inch screen with built in dvd player in amazing shape today for $25. They retail on eBay anywhere from $90-$150. The prices are ridiculous tbh really sad

There are certain games that are playable only on CRTs because of input\display lag alone. The top Super Metroid speedrunners, all use CRTs for a reason. Same goes for the top Smash tournaments

Bravo.......am fm stereo receive .......they have lots of hook ups.....cheers

Made a lengthy, polite, informational comment correcting the misinformation in this video and providing additional context, IGN deletes it. Sounds about right.

It's all about the SCART here in PAL land. Nice and easy RGB. 50hz is a pain though granted.

@2kBofFun

Жыл бұрын

Most proper SCART TV's are multi-region. All my Trinitrons can handle 50 and 60i signals.

S-Video was amazing

Found a emerson from 2007 (as it say's on back of TV) can't get the input to work so right now it's useless, just sitting on my work table waiting to get fixed, came here to try and find a solution.

What about plasma tvs those look great too

The sensible thing is to invest a little money into RGB/HDMI solutions and an OSSC. Bring the hardware to the 21st century. You won't regret it.

hahaha, now this is a fun video 😃

sony trinitron still the best for crt tv in general , great condition SD trinitron 25 , 27, 29 inch destroy all pvm/bvm

To my understanding, HD CRT’s aren’t great for gaming due to the input lag and native res. Don’t loose sleep over letting it go

I’ve got hd widescreen crt, plus another 3 crt tvs for it and when they start to die

Full retro no doubt. Emulation doesnt cut it for me

It's easy to convert them to hdmi

How cool

Are there really no adapters to be able to play them on current TVs?

@robertkennedy8503

Жыл бұрын

Of course there, but most look like crap, CRT gives you the best image for old consoles, they were meant to be played on those old screens.

@ians_parks

Жыл бұрын

There are. Plenty of great scalers out there like the OSSC and RetroTink devices.

@miguelvalentine3954

Жыл бұрын

Have my wii connected to my 65" c1 and it plays great

RCA and composite connections. Saved you 7 mins of your life. ✌️

Component first followed by s video then at the very least composite. And if it only has rf unless you just want snes/genesis or older it's not worth it.

still, a CRT should be in a 4:3 format. Only the wii outputs in real 16:9.

@platypusduck54

Жыл бұрын

Technically it isn’t “real” widescreen until the resolution is at least 720p. Wii supports 480i/480p which are 4:3 resolutions. All the Wii does in the widescreen mode is stretch pixels.

@SaltyToad00

Жыл бұрын

The GameCube can output 16:9 in specific games with the greatest example being Super Mario Strikers.

@kordelas2514

Жыл бұрын

@@SaltyToad00 So do PS2 and Xbox in specific games.

@kordelas2514

Жыл бұрын

So do PS2 and Xbox in specific games.

@user-kx4cf7iy5u

Жыл бұрын

mmm

CRTs, you say?

Frankly, it doesn't matter what CRT brand. If you got a Trinatron amazing. But any other CRT are great especially when you RGB mod them which then turn into a full on arcade monitor. Arcades use RGB input and every arcade game you played in the past were not all SONY but different brands. In sum, Trinatrons are great, it doesn't make them the be all of CRTs. That said they are essential to retro gaming preservation especially if you wanted to experience the same stuff as it was back then.

Best is a Wega with monster s-video cable. At least for a PS2

Not sure why a company didn’t still make a new crt for gaming?

@TheLinkmaster007

Жыл бұрын

Because its a niche market.

@dullah1434

9 ай бұрын

@@TheLinkmaster007exactly

2023 and I’ve found the Sony Trinitron that he got for free for $40 I’m pumped!

MISTer FPGA With a component crt is the way

.... The list of consoles that DO NOT support S-Video is SHORTER. No S-video: NES, Genesis, Turbo Grafx, SNES Jr. Systems WITH S-Video: Standard SNES, N64, Gamecube, Wii, PS1, PS2, PS3, Xbox, Xbox 360, Saturn, Dreamcast... S-Video is the NORM.

Samsung GX TV periodt

@nategreatgames78

Жыл бұрын

agreed

CRTs retro gaming TVs? That’s an understatement. Yes they’re great for retro gaming, but also great for VHS watching. Nothing matches the way a CRT can display old VHS tapes they look wrong on a modern Flat Screen TV at 16:9.

This is an awesome video. Fun transitions including retro game visuals? Check. Silly humor that doesn't make sense but also kinda does (IE: time traveling jokes)? Check! Informative and concise, but long enough that you felt like you watched something worthwhile? Check!