The Armoured Core community is so endearing. This video appears to be from like 2008, but it was actually uploaded 13 days ago.

@clamrollvideos

10 ай бұрын

You too can make useful videos and record voice over on a mic from the late 90s!

@ToliG123

10 ай бұрын

Haha welcome! There's a huge range of when and how any of us became fans. It's quite incredible.

@Semperf11

9 ай бұрын

@@clamrollvideosI like the vibe that’s why I’m still here watching😂

imagine being the first guy to see a mech bunny hopping at you, i wouldn't know whether to have an emotional cry or to instantly empty my bowels.

@A-0602

10 ай бұрын

Thinking to myself: Is the acceleration pedal busted... or does this guy have the top tier strats?

@o-shawnspecific80

10 ай бұрын

I may be crazy but I actually miss doing this and strafing with L1 R1. Not hittable.

@MrShadowofthewind

10 ай бұрын

Both at the same time is also an option.

@speedfreak24

10 ай бұрын

Yes. The answer is yes.

@m.h-ar124la7

6 ай бұрын

Fun fact, There is this visual novel called Muv Luv alternative and they do mech bunny hop. It may surprise you but, it was one of the highest rating visual novel of all time. It even become the original inspiration for attack on titan.

You know it's an integral part of the game when even the higher ranked arena ACs boost hop

@A-0602

10 ай бұрын

Was actually kinda curious at what point AI ACs started using this tech.

@puddel9079

10 ай бұрын

​@@A-0602Still technically new here, I think some time around 3rd gen I think, maybe Silent line? I notice that the AI uses the technique occasionally in Nexus and Last Raven. It adds to the intensity no matter how goofy it might seem.

@aidanklobuchar1798

10 ай бұрын

It's definitely used on AC2: Another Age, as I'm replaying that right now. I don't remember if the AI did it on base AC2 or earlier though.

@doomspud6302

10 ай бұрын

@@A-0602 Silent Line was the first game where almost all the arena opponents use boost hopping. A few ACs do it in earlier games. But before SL, most of them tended to do much bigger jumps from a standstill instead.

@IRUKANJI

10 ай бұрын

@@puddel9079 Nope, that crazy guy Ares, the last opponent in AC2 and a couple others do the boost hop and his is especially tough cause he's boost hopping with Karasawa. Most fun way to fight him is to do exactly the same thing.

Funnily enough AC4 actually threw a bit of shade at bhopping, in that it is stated that a core repeatedly jumping up and down is a telltale sign of someone used to inferior hardware being given a NEXT.

@acezero8132

10 ай бұрын

They threw even further shade in the teaser trailer, they showed a NEXT (Noblesse Oblige) destroying a bunch of remastered gen 3 starter ACs.

@trocer2235

10 ай бұрын

And Wonderful Body in AC4A shows that on top of demonstrating how much better NEXTs and NEXT pilots are

@OCTO358

10 ай бұрын

​@@trocer2235 I wouldn't say better in terms of raw skill, but they definitely have better toys.

@trocer2235

9 ай бұрын

@@OCTO358 Well you gotta have better skills to be able to play with better toys. Can't really expect someone who's been playing Skyrim for a couple years to instantly be good at Armored Core

There are basically two generations of Armored Core: The boost hop generation, and the quick boost generation. They're both great in their own way, but everyone has a favorite. Usually dependent on which game they started into the series on. I started with Master of Arena, so I will always have that nostalgia for the bunny hops. Which is why I like reverse joint legs in AC6 so much. Quick boosting along the ground feels very similar to the way boost hopping used to work. Which is just one of the many amazing ways From managed to bring pieces of all the old games together in AC6.

@BuBornham

10 ай бұрын

Haha, I had a feeling all of us genuine AC oldheads were going to be rocking reverse joint legs a lot

@elmohead

10 ай бұрын

100% this. I never used chicken legs and I'm from AC2. Come AC6, however, the normal legs are garaged as soon as I get chicken legs. Something about the movement just seems more natural to me, but never figured out why. Turns out it's nostalgia lol

after many years of playing AC It's so weird just now noticing boosters heavily effecting the speed of non boosted air movement from jumping and falling. Great vid!

@A-0602

10 ай бұрын

It's the type of thing that's really easy to miss. Especially when you're always picking high power boosters anyway

@procow2274

10 ай бұрын

Also affect your speed using something like the hex extensions

As a Gen4/5 player, I can’t imagine not having boost at all times. Major props to older players who kept the franchise alive until I was able to have a crack at em

Another point as of why bunny boosting was used back in the older gens, is because once you stop boosting, you completely stop for a full second, unless you tap again the boot button, essentially bunny boosting. So it is used not only to move with better energy usage, but also to avoid having to stop every time you boost

@o-shawnspecific80

9 ай бұрын

Exactly. You used the boosters to counter the delay from a hard landing. Made it so if you knew what you were doing you really didn't have to worry about the stability stat on your legs.

One of the best reasons to boost hop, however, is to charge your energy bar, while also not losing the momentum from just letting up on the booster. Even if you don't continue after landing, you still retain a continual movement, rather than just stopping still.

@A-0602

9 ай бұрын

Well said. It's cool that the games have stopping animations on the ground, but man if they aren't slow / annoying.

@tallynnyntyg6008

9 ай бұрын

@@A-0602 Worst stop animation is in AC1-MoA, where light legs actually have a bit of a stutter in their step. Every two steps, there's a miniscule pause, but noticeable enough to really make you not want to run a lightweight build. On the other hand, Last Raven actually has more animation weirdness, wherein you can push your left analog stick (in dual-stick mode) forward not 100%, and the AC will casually walk like it's a BattleMech.

as someone who never got to play gen3 real time, i cant begin to express how happy i am to finally apply similar tech in AC6

Fucking finally someone explains this properly

I love the Hoverlegs. Hoverlegs are sluggish in the air, and them automatically gently landing causes a delay when you want to dash after being in the air...but in exchange, they can dash very quickly across the ground AND DEEP WATER. And while dashing, if you tap the Boost button just right, not fast enough to go from dashing to flying, the tap rate just slower then that, will let you dash more efficiently, using less energy, producing less heat, and you can change directions dramatically. Especially with Hoverlegs that have great braking ability. Non-tank legs have the Bunnyhop technique. Hoverlegs have this tap-dash technique. Practice zigzaging with your dashes in random directions. Move like you're teleporting around in short distances, like that movie Jumper, or Nightcrawler from X-Men.

@observingrogue7652

10 ай бұрын

Oh, and by gently landing, I mean the default ground or water hovercraft state. Hover legs do actually touch the ground when idie, or using certain back weapons when not Human+ or no OP INTEBSIFY.

Great tips. Will share with the newer Ravens. :)

@A-0602

10 ай бұрын

Give 'em a good history lesson lol

Bunny hopping. I remember when I first played AC (3) bunny hopping just seemed so natural I instantly started using it every time

Even though it looked funny it really did come so naturally once you got to terms with the movement mechanics. I never knew that boosters affected aerial speeds in general though, or the bit about the hover legs

I use boost hopping a lot on my heavy biped build in AC6. Its slow cruising speed and high quick boost cost means a lot of times the hop is a more efficient means of avoiding simple attacks while leaving energy open for quick boosts when needed.

@A-0602

10 ай бұрын

That's pretty clever. I might have to steal that tech

@tilting_cat3344

10 ай бұрын

W8 we can do it in AC6? How to do it? If i press boost twice it doesn't jump

@justinjacobs1501

10 ай бұрын

@tilting_cat3344 you just tap the boost button while boost is on to jump, wait to land, and then tap again to keep jumping. It consumes no energy which means you always have energy to quick boost.

@somechinesedude5466

7 ай бұрын

​@@tilting_cat3344you can only jump when your AC leg touch a land You can land without moving to make it more frequent, but that also turn boost off & cause your land to have pause, so you need to count how long do you glide depending on "jumping height" status The utility in AC6 is, jumping causes enemy FCS to predict you again, about 0.1s before they finalize the lock again this basically causes missile to focus on the area where your jump started & cause low fire spec arms or out of range FCS to refocus Nutshell : burst movement (QB, jump, AB side strafe & descending) causes FCS to refocus & messed enemy accuracy don't just move in 1 direction at the same speed & expect enemy weapon to not catch, it will

Awesome vid! I will note that in 4th gen, effective RJ usage is very similar to bunny-hopping, as you QB along the ground, jump while at speed, qb in air as needed, then qb again just before touching down and jumping again. It's much more technical and timing reliant, but the principle is the same. It's a energy conservation and evasiveness rhythm, though it is not required by any other build the way that reverse joint builds do.

Before ac4, every ac has radiator to cool all ac system. And radiator is the biggest energy hog in ac. Until 4th gen ac come with build in air cool frame that good enough to make radiator obsolete.

Seems like they realized this finally in AC6. You'll notice any timr you're in the air energy recovers slower because even if you dont hold the boost button your AC is keepin you afloat

@o-shawnspecific80

9 ай бұрын

I always used humanoid legs in every AC up to 6 but just found to many advantages to reverse joints.

Rejoice! Boost hopping is actually good in AC6, At lease for mid weight biped build :D I use it to circle enemy all the time xD

@colbyboucher6391

10 ай бұрын

Yeah. Weirdly enough with lightweight builds it's faster to just stay on the ground because the boosters are so fast and you're always boosting anyways, but if you're heavier you can gain a little speed this way.

As a newcomer to the series (AC6 my first game), bunny hopping reminds me of how I move around with reverse joint aerial attack build. Pretty fun to move around and dodge enemies

AC6 hilariously look like its going to have Pseudo Bunny Hopping Since you cant recover energy in the Air and you REALLY want to have some energy preserved or else Like a Boost, to a jump, to a quick boost, lands and repeat

@justinjacobs1501

10 ай бұрын

My heavy biped build uses boost hopping for much of its evasion.

@thatslegit

10 ай бұрын

you can recover energy in the air but it depends on the engine and usually 90% slower. but i feel like its back to were the series was in gen 3 and below since you really need that boost to run away and to close in

@colbyboucher6391

10 ай бұрын

​@@justinjacobs1501Yeah, with heavy builds air movement can be faster than regular boosting on the ground so hopping around is helpful.

@Rejjis

10 ай бұрын

You can actually recover your en in air even if it's empty

@blebblebberson9327

10 ай бұрын

It's really build dependent. The two coral-based generators in the game can allow for a loop of endless air time with quad legs, the right weight, and good EN management

very informative, thx for the vid!

i love you boost hopping CLANG CLANG CLANG

Thank You for this I just got teary eyed watching this, as an old raven I cherished this much

@A-0602

Ай бұрын

You're most welcome. I'm glad you connected with it that much.

Quality informative video. Love it. 10/10.

Boost hopping is so much fun to do, it's the reason why I still have a soft spot for the old gens even if 4A is my favourite (aside from 6, ofc)

so much memories revived

I used to call it "minding your p's and q's" as the old idiom goes. I would alternate mimicking the shapes of the letters with my ascension and descension paths to avoid incoming fire.

Starting off with Silent Line, I have to say that boost hopping was the funniest shit I've ever seen in an otherwise serious game. x3

Very clearly explained. Great video.

glad i found this video now, ac6 made me fall in love with armored core but the earlier games put me off a little because of how movement worked. b hopping is probably gonna save me some stress now lol

When you mentioned that boost hopping looks silly it reminded me of that time John Carmack wanted to patch Quake 1 to remove bunny hoping because he felt it was too silly and didn't match the image he had for the Quake ranger 😅.

@mikairu2944

10 ай бұрын

Not even the devs like what peak performance looks like

@A-0602

10 ай бұрын

Sometimes it's the unique player-found tech that give the game some character

Well, it's back in AC6!

I am one of the Armored core 3 silent line genator traumatized.

This is basically how I use the Basho legs in AC6! I run it with the speed booster! I know they said it was an out-of-date leg part, but I didn't think they meant it was by 3 generations of AC games. lol

@A-0602

8 ай бұрын

Haha - I never thought of it that way. That would be awesome if it was intentional

My only experience with this series was Formula Front, so I was wondering why both my ACs and the opponents' sometimes moved like this (as I rarely took control). I figured it was optimal, but I didn't think it was a player-discovered technique coded into future installments.

We called it Sputtering in my neck of the woods. Shoutout to the Eastern Canada old ass Ravens!

Had to fkn learn how to bunnyhop to finish the Destroy Radar Array/ Suicide bombers mission in Armored Core 2 AA. 40 minutes of pain and panic. Learned the hard way.

I literally only learned to boost hop because at a certain point in silent line I couldn’t fight the A rank AC’s cause they seemingly never stopped. One spectate later and I downloaded the moveset and never looked back

i love your content! thank you!

@A-0602

10 ай бұрын

Thank you so much. I had a lot of fun making it.

@Cookie-ps2yh

10 ай бұрын

@@A-0602 your content recently joined my recommended and i watched through your other videos after this one and your work is good :) im happy that smaller creators reach the front page sometimes

@A-0602

10 ай бұрын

@@Cookie-ps2yh Not sure I would have grown at all if that wasn't the case. My audience is pretty niche as it is lol

Thanks big dog

It is how mechs move in early gundam. New ones with infinite ground boost end up more like votoms.

Man, I'm a souls veteran am I'm feeling at home with yo people from AC. Its only at the game that we have combat cuz yo Ravens out here are pretty much chill. Already finished ac6 thrice and oh man last raven feels so different (in a good way!) Thank you AC community for receiving new players without that gatekeeping bs and fromsoftware for always delivering 🤝

mentioning wavedashing activated my melee brain, i'm much more interested in checking out the older games now LMAO

@A-0602

9 ай бұрын

Then my job here is complete!

I do this, but never knew why

Never change your mic. I feel like I'm back in old KZread.

@A-0602

10 ай бұрын

It's actually not the first time I've heard this. Seems to strike a chord with some folks.

@KyubiMaster100

10 ай бұрын

​@@A-0602It's great. I love it. 💜

great info

Loved this! Are you still streaming/recording your playthrough? I just finished watching the VOD on twitch. Would love to see more :)

@A-0602

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for the follow! Unfortunately, I didn't stream the rest of my playthrough. I hope to stream some PvP this weekend though

@scottmacfreedom

10 ай бұрын

​@@A-0602 You better. I am severely disappointed you didn't continue.

@A-0602

10 ай бұрын

@@scottmacfreedom lol, sorry man

I miss hearing the booster sounds lol

watch the legendary karasawa vs watcher tank fight from cali finals. that was peak old ac.

This is why I like the older AC games than the newer Gundam ones that just fly forever like an anime superhero…

Cool info, also, what is the song used in the video?

@A-0602

10 ай бұрын

"Fall" from the AC4 OST

In AC6 bunny hopping is kinda back if you are using Quick boost but especially if you are using reverse jointed legs, which add a very powerful lateral jump to ever grounded QB you make. I never got interested in reverse legs all the way since ac2. But in AC6 they are by far the best legs if you are going for general mobility. Even the heavy weight reverse legs put lightweight biped legs to SHAME. Its really weird how much of a difference it makes. The difference in lateral speed is not even close i couldnt believe it. Ive always used biped legs but in AC6 i struggle to find a reason to use biped legs. Can anyone chime in why we would use bipeds in AC6?

@tehfoxxy9630

10 ай бұрын

kinda back sure. I do it out of habit though i doubt it does anything since being on the ground gives instantaneous energy recovery anyhow. As for why use bipeds? I think some people will never get used to how reverse joints function.

@Rudol_Zeppili

9 ай бұрын

I just use bipeds because they look cool.

@TheShadow7771

9 ай бұрын

I didnt actually like going into the air when quick boosting with reverse joints, felt like I had less ability to change direction quickly

I wanna know the trick Gen1 AI does where it basically stutter-boosts, when it only has 1% energy left. You can see it in Arena replays a lot when the AI exclusively uses energy weapons.

Bunny hopping is the true path 🐰🐇

@A-0602

10 ай бұрын

Reject humanity, embrace the hop

@procow2274

10 ай бұрын

@@A-0602 that icon is interesting. Its the starting ac with the heavier all purpose head with bazooka arm in the MegaMan pose 🐮

@A-0602

10 ай бұрын

@@procow2274 Yes! Quite perceptive! I had this little art piece commissioned by an artist on Reddit.

You definitely see AI opponents in the Arena using bunny hopping, so it's kinda hard coded

Im boost hopping rn in ac6 with reverse joint

I like how people reinvent skipping but call it boost hopping

Melee tech in my armored core video ❤ one of us?

The bosses use this in last raven…

"armored core is complex enough without niche movement mechanics" he says about the generation that has chainboosting lmao

song? i havent played all the titles ;w;

@TheOtherCoinflipper

10 ай бұрын

Armored Core 4 - "Fall"

you aint a true Raven till you can skip your AC along the ground like skipping a rock across a pond.

song name? that shit boppin

@A-0602

10 ай бұрын

It's a bgm from AC4 called "Fall" Thought the tone (and name) were appropriate.

Song name?

@A-0602

10 ай бұрын

"Fall" from the AC4 soundtrack. Thought it was fitting

Instant subscription. Got... pretty bored of AC6 pretty fast. Played AC1~4 as they released when I was a kid, and properly beat AC1 maybe... 3 or 4 years ago? But I'm playing through all the oldgen games again now. Got linked this vid from the AC Discord. Will watch any and all addtl. AC Tech videos you post

@8saiharamasukoi

10 ай бұрын

I should say: I am loving AC6. I _love_ AC6 I really do. But the mission structure/pacing did, eventually, have me booting up AC1 instead of it

Idc, i want to do more. That tiny ass boost is annoying.

Ahhh

I never understood why they decided that boost hopping had to be the main method of efficient traversal. They could have balanced boost properly so that you didn't have to do something as absurd as bunny hopping just to get around properly. I'm glad future games scrubbed that altogether, it was bizarre. The worst part was when seeing AI ACs actually bunny hopping just to keep up... like they went through the effort of coding that in, instead of just fixing it from the get go! Haha, you must have gotten some odd stockholm syndrome to have fallen in love with such an awkward mechanic. XD Though I do suppose it is quintessentially classic Armored Core at this point.