Thank you for not closing your comments. ^_^ I love reading others' views on the subjects or explain points made. It really helps me learn and really trust what you're saying. You don't want the final word, it's not "listen" it's community. Thank you.

22:16 - "Jesus came to save us from our sin and rule over us not change public policy.... When we make disciples of people, good works come out of that." This was pure fire. 👍🏼 If you don't listen to this whole thing. Hear that. So good.

@saskiascott8181

2 жыл бұрын

But that's what progressives have been saying! Be true disciples and do good works, stop wasting so much time and energy trying to influence the laws about public bathrooms.

As an Episcopalian, I found this super interesting. I've seen so much anger and tension in my church recently and so many of my friends have found new church homes either in the Catholic church or the big Baptist church down the street. I see more and more progressive music/thoughts/and groups (like enneagram) starting at my church and it makes me so sad.

@SardonicArtery

3 жыл бұрын

Have you addressed this with your pastors? Do you have a plan in place?

@yjk5737

3 жыл бұрын

Have you considered the Anglican Church in North America (ACNA)? It would be closer to traditional Episcopalianism and Anglicanism.

@glmathgrant

3 жыл бұрын

I am so glad I attend conservative-ish churches. I'd never have ever heard of the enneagram were it not for KZread.

@PjotrII

3 жыл бұрын

What are the thoughts you react against?

@darksunnygirl

3 жыл бұрын

@@PjotrII that Jesus was just a rally good man who did some cool healings and taught instead of saying that he was both fully God and fully man. That's the main one.

Thank you for discussing this topic

I was so stirred by Mr. Young's mention of N.T Wright's view of heaven and the kingdom. I believe that he influenced a lot of believers to say that it is our job to change the culture. This leads to not having the urgency to share the gospel, which should be our 1st priority.

Alisha, I first saw you on American Gospel and have since started following you on KZread. I just wanted to say it is great to see the growth you have had on this platform. Keep up the good work!

At the 36:56 mark, David Young talks about the hermeneutics of convenience and how scholars have become progressive in order to not throw to waste their years of research, their life of time and money spent in pursuit of understanding Jesus--it's like they've given up on Jesus but don't want to give up on their career.

@songsgardensbyjenniferlynn3242

3 жыл бұрын

@AntiCap Atheist If Jesus was brutally flogged, crucified, and cut with a sword after being pronounced dead on a Friday, and then that same Sunday, he was seen by hundreds completely healed and normal, and then seen preaching over a period of forty days, and then was witnessed to ascend into the sky and disappear into a cloud, then you'd expect a number of people to write books about it and talk about it for thousands of years.

@Rightlydividing-wx1xb

3 жыл бұрын

@AntiCap Atheist Your comment is incompetent and without knowledge, present some evidence for your postulate.

@geraldbritton8118

3 жыл бұрын

@AntiCap Atheist Would you change your views if atheist/agnostic academic researchers who specialize in the 1st century and the New Testament in particular confirm the events described there?

@geraldbritton8118

3 жыл бұрын

@AntiCap Atheist I think I understand what you mean, though I guess we have similar problems with all historical figures, don't we? e.g. I have no way of determining that there ever was a person named George Washington who became the first POTUS except through documentary evidence, which I accept. I'm not surprised that the further you go back in history, the harder it is to find and authenticate documents. Was there a Roman emperor named Julius Cesar? I'll trust the specialist historians on that and say, "Yes, probably." I think I also have to give a fair hearing to specialists (not Christian apologists) in ancient near eastern documents, including the new testament. I learned from one agnostic specialist that there are at least 20 documents that attest to the major events of Jesus' life and most of those are outside the NT. I understand that specialists agree that: There was someone named Jesus who angered the religious authorities in the early 1st century; the man died by Roman crucifixion and was buried in a tomb; the tomb was later found empty; his ragtag group of followers were suddenly emboldened to tell the story even at the risk of their torture and many suffered violent deaths. If I understand correctly, these things are undisputed amongst specialists. Then it's up to us to decide what to do with that information.

@geraldbritton8118

3 жыл бұрын

@AntiCap Atheist The problem we have I think is that virtually all ancient near east history specialists (I mean academics for whom that study is their life's work) regardless of their personal beliefs or lack thereof agree on the basics of Jesus life, death, the empty grave and the rapid rise of Christianity thereafter. I also think we must discount the conclusions of those for whom that study is not their specialty. Would you agree to that? And when I say "undisputed" I mean that within this small group of academics, that set of events is generally agreed upon, *not* that they do not disagree with each other on anything. What do you mean by "die for a lie?" I've never heard that expression before

This was such a great interview. Thank you, Alisa!

Thank you for that. Great conversation and great podcast Alisa. We as Christians need to be aware of these things in these times for sure.

This was such a good interview! Thank you! I will add David’s book to my stack of books to read. I have your book, Alisa and it’s next on my stack. May the Lord strengthen and keep those of you who are faithfully defending the historic faith. 🙏🏽

I've read books with similar themes to A Grand Illusion, but David Young's is the best! So articulate, precise, and inspiring. It's a must read, I highly recommend it! Loved this interview, thanks so much to both.

Hey Alisa could you please do a dialogue with Brenda from God is Grey? Would love to see that.

@emilythestorier4428

3 жыл бұрын

Yes! I'd love to see that too. It would be a meeting of minds for sure :) Brenda is very clever and persuasive, but I'm sure Alisa would be able to give her some food for thought with her replies.

@PjotrII

3 жыл бұрын

@@emilythestorier4428 I would also love to see that, as it might break the image of progressives being evil, which can be read between the lines.

@TheLincolnrailsplitt

3 жыл бұрын

@@PjotrII The are not evil but are extremely misinformed at a minimum.

@PjotrII

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheLincolnrailsplitt Thx for not calling me evil, as many of the commentators here would do! Could you enlighten me in what way I (we) are misinformed in your view.

@emilythestorier4428

2 жыл бұрын

@@FierBarca1899 You are correct, in a sense - the watered down, culturally acceptable version of Christianity in America is declining, but that is because as atheism becomes the new popular worldview, people feel less peer pressure to identify as Christian. These kinds of people were never real believers in the first place. True Christianity will always be unpopular because it requires a self-denying pursuit of Jesus and not just the appearance of it. In other countries, where Christians are persecuted ruthlessly, Christianity is spreading rapidly because it is untainted by mediocrity and selfishness. All of this is affirmed in the Bible - narrow is the way that leads to Heaven, Jesus said. As Christianity becomes less of a cultural norm here, American Christianity will more accuately resemble the first church. I personally look forward to it.

David Young is a good teacher. I have been to North Boulevard a few times and he's been to our church a couple of times. I am thankful for his book A Grand Illusion and highly recommend it. I am also thankful for your book, Alisa. Another Gospel was a fantastic read and helpful to put some "meat" on the issue.

As always a great video. Mr. Young was right on about the problems caused by the so called "sexual revolution.' Actually, I don't like to use the term because it is basically the "same old same old" that always rears it head on a regular basis. Nothing revolutionary there at all. I spent 40 years running non profit community centers in low income neighborhoods. 90% of the problems that we encountered were due to the breakdown in the natural 2 parent family, which we as Christians know is the Sacrament of Christ and the Church. Young men and women were crying for their absent fathers who should have been there to guide them on how to live productive and happy lives. A pivotal moment came for me in 1980 at a community center conference. A well known economist gave a keynote address about how social service programs should be structured to keep the father in the home. He made the point that it not only benefits the children and family stability but also fulfills the father himself. I sat there and said to myself, "Boy someone who really knows what they are talking about." However, I was amazed on how other social work professionals were reacting. There were actually people standing on their chairs screaming at him. In the end the moderator actually apologized for the talk. Absolutely shameful. I can't help but believe that the destruction of the two parent families, especially in low income neighborhoods was planned and implemented by the elite who desire ever more control over everyone's innermost lives (and thoughts). BTW that is why Christianity is such a threat to these people. I am reminded always of the Didache that says that are two Ways - a Way of Life and a way of death and there is a great difference between the two. As a nation we are now choosing death - death of our way of life, of our Nation, of our families and of our souls.

@terryp3034

Ай бұрын

Your point about the Didache is spot on.

Very enlightening. Thank you, Alisa and David.

Thank you for pointing out the dangers of Progressive Christianity. There are way too many people who don’t address the differences in their beliefs which are too significantly different from biblical and historical Christianity.

@PjotrII

3 жыл бұрын

If biblical Christianity is accepting God as the instigator of mass killings in the OT, then I really hope I have a different more Jesus like belief.

Thank you for a wonderful program. 💛

Thanks for speaking up about this!

Great explanations for what we are witnessing today. Thank you!

I love the humility, and authenticity of this interview.

@PjotrII

3 жыл бұрын

That was a good one LOL!

So great. So needed! So true! So perceptive!

Just to add that I ordered the book. Loved the interview.

Thanks for this interview! I learned a lot. It really helps to be able to pinpoint some of the issues in progressive Christianity

@PjotrII

3 жыл бұрын

@Jenny S What if I told you that after this video, you might have a more distorted view of progressive Christianity?

Wow the end! Great analogy! Thank you! I love how simply he describes progressive Christianity.

It’s very refreshing to have a term that accurately encompasses Progressive Christianity-Civic Religion. I could always pinpoint issues-mixing patriotism with Christianity, mixing social justice agenda with Christianity, etc.

@saskiascott8181

3 жыл бұрын

If anyone is mixing church and state it's conservatives my friend.

@Yooperchic

3 жыл бұрын

@@saskiascott8181 yes I can see civic religion on both sides.

@PjotrII

3 жыл бұрын

@@saskiascott8181 I must say I disagree. I am a progressive and I like the co-op of church and state, it works fine here.

@Topg1

2 жыл бұрын

@@PjotrII I’m neither, just Christian. I believe in separation of church and state.

Thank you Alisa and David.

Thank you for delivering the true gospel. 💜

I'm Kenyan. I think he is wrong about Africans having a hard time believing in Progressive Christianity. That might be true about the persecuted places, but most African evangelicals, especially in urban centres, have fully embraced that!

@tskjesusfreak

3 жыл бұрын

Wow! So sad! That is why we need Voddie Bachman to be healthy so he can go back to Africa and bring Reformed / Biblical Christianity to Africa.

@alisachilders

3 жыл бұрын

That's interesting, Muteti. What do you make of that?

@timvandermey4792

3 жыл бұрын

That I understand South America also. Thanks for commenting Muteti.

@elainejan

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. I think progressive “Christianity “ has advanced rapidly since his book was written.

@Crym123

3 жыл бұрын

It's a syncretism of secular humanism (the belief that man is basically good and capable of perfecting ourselves by our own efforts), which is the religion of Babel, with Christianity. I guess it would make sense for it to be a problem in cities everywhere. Still disappointing to hear how widespread it is.

I enjoyed David Young so much, thank you both.

Greetings from another Nashvillian! This assessment is spot on.

When I was a kid I was taught - God's nature never changes He Is & He will always be.

Thank you for this video. Very helpful. Love you, Jesus

@alisachilders please make short sharable clips of this video! There's so many good nuggets!!

@Shlambez

3 жыл бұрын

@@fightingforthefaith8676 stop this. Mike Wingers profile was hacked with this nonsense too.

Outstanding!

I came out of the Prosperity and NAR teachings. So glad God opened my eyes! 👀 👁

Great Content 👍

Very good !

Why is the Gospel the only real answer? Because it is the only thing that changes sinful humans from the INSIDE, out. All other attempts can only be outside-in change, which is never permanent. And also doesn't fix our biggest problem, our enmity with God.

@Crym123

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly. It's the difference between a change in nature versus behavioral conditioning.

@Alexis-wh2de

3 жыл бұрын

Had this convo yesterday. Jesus is called the great physician because He is the only one who can perform the procedure of circumcision of our hearts so that we can love and live as we are meant to.

@dubyag4124

3 жыл бұрын

@AntiCap Atheist Christianity is unique. Orthodox Christianity believes you cannot earn your way to salvation by works but faith alone in the savior. Every other religion believes in a works based salvation. So this completely agrees with the (Bible) truth that the Christian Gospel provides change from the inside out (something we cannot achieve), where all others attempt to change the person by behavior mod, works, from the outside in, and this never fully transforms a person. And this is the good news you and all people have access to. I nor anyone else is not keeping it from you. We're doing all we can to share it with you.

@dubyag4124

3 жыл бұрын

@AntiCap Atheist as with all faiths, many claim the faith falsely. God's judgement will also come against false confessing "Christians". All of us sin, Christians as well. Our good news is that Christ lived the perfect life for us we could never live. If we place our faith in him, his righteousness is applied to our account. This salvation is unmerited, all grace, we don't deserve it, its a gift from God. 1 Cor 1:23 "23 but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24 but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength." Most call it foolishness, but some will see it as God's way of salvation where He gets all the glory, not man.

@dubyag4124

3 жыл бұрын

@AntiCap Atheist We all live by faith. You have faith there is no god, I guess. I have faith there is. We all live by faith. I'm not sure how it makes one feel better if I agree with you and say, "You know I think all religions and non religions are probably right, but no one can really know" vs. "Jesus said he is the way the truth and the life". I choose to have faith in a certainty, than a maybe. That is my choice. And that choice is presented to all in the life and work of Jesus. It's funny you mention honesty though. Liberal and left leaning debaters are the least intellectually honest I can think of. You judge my faith based on MY own moral code not yours. Your code probably says you must tolerate all beliefs, which you break even now. An atheist cannot logically acknowledge good or evil, since we are all accidents without meaning, yet you make judgements about both. If you want to have an honest debate/discussion please feel free to message me.

Very informative . Believing in His guarantee alone (John 3:16, 5:24,6:35-47,11:24-27 etc.) . is what regenerates , not a "statement of resolve" or our "commitment". That is discipleship/sanctification - a process of putting to death the "old man". Whereas , justification is quite apart from anything we did , are doing , or will do (works) . He very obviously conflates and collapses sanctification into justification , and confuses the simple Promise that children like my two less than 7 year old sons understood .

Very cool interview! There was only one small thing that I found myself not agreeing with. Right at the end when he said progressive Christianity will eventually go away, or something to that affect. Sadly I doubt that. I think it will grow. It looks like a big part of the great apostasy or falling away that is promised before the resurrection/rapture. But I guess ultimately when Jesus comes back with us at the 2nd coming then all the kingdoms of this world will be put under His feet.

This was so informative especially the part about the schooling in America how the left takes over. 😳So true. Thank you for this interview.

@mogonja420

3 жыл бұрын

By design. And the righteous sleep

@PjotrII

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, far-right for Jesus!

All The kids I grew up with in the Catholic Church have switched to progressive churches, tattoos and piercing and singing candy Jesus songs in their new church. Not saying the Catholic Church doesn’t have its own challenges.. A friend of mine in one of these progressive churches told me their head pastor was forced to resign and move back to Australia because he did not support BLM openly. So the young progressive black females took it upon themselves to call him out on social media. Now the church is a knife edge people can’t speak freely.

I wonder if Dr. Young had any classes from Fernando Segovia. I knew Dr. Segovia at Marquette. He went to teach at Vanderbilt in the mid 80s.

I worked on a Kubutz in Israel which was founded by Marist. It was working very good.

@anarchorepublican5954

Жыл бұрын

founded by a Marxist ☭?...or a Marist ☩🛐 ?

I would love to hear a conversation between you and David Bentley Hart

Glad to see this coming out of Nashville because my last visit to Nashville churches just demonstrated a culture of rock n role, flashing lights, extremely loud music and worship leaders...not sure why we need those...singing songs hardly anyone knew in the congregation. What is a non denominational church anyway? Thats right...you really have no clue until you attend. There is no accountability at those places and they may be into community giving but man their preaching is slap watered down.

@anarchorepublican5954

Жыл бұрын

...Davis Young is a Church of Christ preacher...they don't Rock-n-Roll...

Fantastic interview Alisha ...from your biggest Catholic fan. The Doctor is incredibly wise for a Young man! His observation about mainline American Protestant churches is sadly well underway in the American Catholic church as well. Seems the only way Satan can make us follow him is to convince us his ways are Christ's ways. Its a monumental tragedy, but with people like you and Dr. Young so eloquently revealing this deception, I have a lot of hope for the collective Body of Christ in America. I'm buying Dr Youngs book today. Thanks again for this interview and all your great work.

Thanks. Informative. May use to help some we know. Do you have a transcript?

Alisa, thanks for doing a great job with your interviews. I'm a new watcher and getting a lot out of the discussions that you've been directing. I wonder if you could try, at some point, to discuss the silence of the church with regard to the plandemic, the jab and what they have termed, "Mass Formation Psychosis" ( the wholesale disappearance of critical thinking) that spread so quickly in 2020-2021.

Who will disciple the new believers and guide them to what they need to learn? How can they tell if their church teaches them Biblical ideas if they are not taught the differences?

Hiii Alisa! Saludos desde Chile

Great interview. Great overview of how Progressivism works to take down truth, order and purpose. We seem to be at the end of the church age as more and more churches, christian schools and Christian Colleges fall victim to denying God’s hand in creation by accepting Transgenderism, homosexuality, feminism, Sexualization of kids etc. But at 39:00, I’m in disagreement of David’s view of politics. YES, progressive Christianity IS aggressive with political “social justice” issues (which are subjective snd inconsistent btw). So, I agree with that. But I do NOT agree that the church should not be involved in politics. Every decision we make as humans is political. And by allowing Marxism (politics) our communities, education and churches while evangelicals have been told to stand down (often citing the Johnson Amendment incorrectly), we have left the door open, fallen to the contrived pre-planted “political correctness” and have all but remained SILENT with the onslaught of the take down of the church. Why did my church NOT allow me to hire someone to speak to youth group on why they have Religious Freedom and Free speech? Because it was too political. Why did my church not allow me to bring in the Heartbeat Bill Petition? Because it was too political. Why did my church not assist us with preventing Sexualization of kids in public school libraries? They didn’t want to be a target. What has happened to the church? We know! We know! But by suggesting a church should NOT be involved in politics/is playing right into the hands of the enemy. For those interested in more great info, please visit Family Research Council and Family Policy Alliance and Erik Metaxis and Family Talk Today, and American Family Radio. Other than that, I really enjoyed gleaning from David’s knowledge. Thanks again.

Alisa, would you consider responding to God is Grey’s recent video about your channel? I would love to see the two of you collaborate in a dialogue/debate, and Brenda from God is Grey sounds open to it.

@PjotrII

3 жыл бұрын

Thumbs up for God is Grey channel!

@misterjones78

3 жыл бұрын

God is Grey = Misandry and self-righteousness

Soooooooo good!!!!

Progressive Christianity is clearly described in Romans 1:18-32

@PjotrII

3 жыл бұрын

Fundamentalist Christianity is clearly described in Matthew 7:21-23

I would like to have a dialogue with this David Young. I have many questions to ask. It seems to me that the Congregationalist were the driving force in the progressive thought in Christianity. The idea of Freedom of Religion and the rule of the Congregation were all radical ideas. They carried over to government. But it was also great revivalist like Charles Finney which explained the basis for moral thought in his systematic theology book. I wonder what he has to say about the split in the Congregationalist that created the Unitarian Church. Which I think is just as progressive as any progressive church today. New Churches tend to be suburban but the Unitarians are an old group. I also think that modern New Evangelical Churches try to fit into the culture. They have 2 services the contemporary and the traditional. They have may have a coffee shop right in the Church. Their music sounds like a pop concert.

@stephencrotts2417

3 жыл бұрын

The reason Bishops were rejected was because the Churches were Congregationalist. They did not believe that the Bishops had the authority to determine law. For example it was the Mayflower Compact which set the rules the group agree to follow. It was the group that determined the rules. I think his idea that the Christianity of Congregationalist was started for political reasons was wrong. But the Congregational form of church government was the basis for our government.

@anarchorepublican5954

Жыл бұрын

David Young is a Church of Christ preacher....out of Murfeeboro, Tennessee...Look/Call him up...

Alissa i have a question , what do you recommend when dealing with " Oneness pentecostals" denial of the Trinity?

@thrivewithjesus5216

3 жыл бұрын

They deny so much, its hard to even have a conversations. Denial of the trinity, not really saved unless you speak in tongues after baptism, spiritual gifts must be present otherwise you are not saved, etc.

@LetsGo-ik7zm

3 жыл бұрын

Easy you throw that oneness heretic teaching to the dumpster where it belongs

@hesavedawretchlikeme6902

3 жыл бұрын

I do not argue. But I wonder who they believe "Let us" create man in our image, in our likeness...Genesis 1:26 is referring to? God was not conferring with angelic intelligences. Second, when Jesus was at several times in the presence of his disciples, a voice from heaven spoke, saying this is My beloved Son in whom I am well pleased, hear ye Him; in John 16, Jesus tells them if He does not go, then the comforter (Holy Spirit) cannot come; In John 17 in the garden Jesus Jesus is praying to Himself? No, He is praying the intercession for us...and reminds the Father that He will glorify The Father and will return to Him and will be glorified...speaks of their Oneness, but they are one in agreement, in purpose, and His people will also be one in them. Colossians 1 & 2, Hebrews 1 both speak of Jesus deity, as many more scriptures in the new testament...and many mentioned the pre-incarnate Christ in the Old Testament. As stated, no need to argue, just speak the truth of scripture and pray they will hear the Lord through it instead of traditions of men.

@josietanner3960

3 жыл бұрын

I am Pentecostal and I have looked both into the doctrine of the Trinity and Oneness and they are almost exactly alike we just call it different names. Both people who believe in Trinity and Oneness believes that God is 3 in 1. We both believe that Yahweh, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit are all God and His different manifestations to humanity. I think the main difference is that people believe in Oneness is that the uplift the name of Jesus. We believe the Jesus is the name of God and holds all power. What's funny is that the term 'trinity' or 'oneness' are never mentioned in the Bible. The term trinity comes from scriptures talking about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The term oneness comes from the scriptures that say that God is one. Because these words are NOT Biblical it doesn't matter what you call it as long as you believe in the truth of God... Meaning, God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are ALL God and He IS one.

@somethingtothinkabout167

3 жыл бұрын

@@josietanner3960 so when a tongue speaker tells me Christ is not God, what do they mean?

I would be curious to know his thoughts on monostatic and missional Christianity. Even yours Alisa - do they fall into the progressive Christian movement?

@PjotrII

3 жыл бұрын

I have no clue what monostatic is... Missional Christianity is not progressive Christianity. Let´s first clear up some possible misconceptions. Progressive Christianity is not a teaching... it could be described for many as realizing that the infallible view on the Bible is not a true claim. And then one has to search for some other way to look at it, and in that process, people come to very DIFFERENT conclusions. Therefore, when someone claims, "this is what progressive´s are", is a claim that is often false, as they have not understood the main idea at all.

I keep hearing about Mainline denominations, but I don't know what the big 7 are... Apparently Episcopalian is one of them?

Hi alisa can you do a topic womans role in the church been pastors peophets and buble techers thank you love your input shalom

"Gods of war I call you, my sword is by my side! I seek a life of honor, free from all false pride! I will crack the whip with a bold mighty hail! Cover me with death, If I should ever fail! Glory, majesty, unity! Hail, hail!"

Thank you.

Thank you thank you thank you..I was raised baptist..then non-denominational and then I converted to catholicism..but I stumbled onto Richard Rohr's books and talks...but he seems confused and mixed up and doesn't really know what he really believes...his material was very seductive...he claims that he is not progressive though.....so I don't know what to do....

@catlareau5859

3 жыл бұрын

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@PatrickSteil

3 жыл бұрын

Jacinto. In order to have Truth we must have Authority. Stick to the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church. Anything else is confusion and chaos. I spent 20 years in the Methodist church and it is all so very clear now :) God Bless!

Should Christians abandon the political and social sphere’s to become more focussed on The Kingdom? It seems to me that the more we become involved/invested in the social and political realms the easier it is to justify spending our time trying to fix the increasingly Godless culture when we know from scripture that this world and the evil thereof is passing away to make way for the new heavens and new earth that Yahweh Himself has foretold and created. Should not we be evangelists for God, playing our part to bring people into the kingdom instead of fighting a losing battle against the current satanic culture which after all has been foretold and which would finally bring about the collapse that leads to the return of Christ? Shouldn’t we be soldiers for Christ? Loved this conversation. Very thought provoking as always.

This is a very important conversation. Thank you for posting. Glory be to God.

I love J. Gresham Machen :) plus you made me think of Israel did when they wanted a King, so that they could be like the other nations, so is the old Puritan wanting to just get along with is world, wooow very interesting thanx

Trying to change society without changing the man.

I talk to a lot of Christians who tell me their democrat. When I ask them why, they tell me that the democratic party has love for the poor and needy and care for minority groups and the republican party does not. I have studied the issue exhaustively and have come to the conclusion that they've just been taken in by the democratic party's PR campaign. The truth is that most politicians on both sides are mainly concerned for their carriers and financial gain. I think most Christians pick a political party to help the poor so they don't have to get their own hands dirty. If the Church would have been obedient to the Lord, there would be no Welfare System. Because a lot of Christians and even more so younger Christians have affiliated themselves with the left, unchristian like socialism has taken over a high percent of the modern church. A high percentage of Christians now dislike the country of Israel. This has caused a resurgence of antisemitism to come back into the church. Many Jews become believers in Yeshua Hamashiach despite antisemitism in the church. Politics is not only tearing the country about but also the church. What really surprised me, a lot of young socialist that are anti Israel are from Jewish families.

@questionasker8791

3 жыл бұрын

“Pick a political party to help the poor so they ging have to get their own hands dirty.” Does this mean you agree this political party better helps the poor? Why couldn’t you do both?

@ldfox11

3 жыл бұрын

@@questionasker8791 The religious leaders in the time of Jesus handed him over to the political leaders of his day and they crucified him. Nothing has changed, the world is the world. If Jesus was born today, the outcome would be the same. People think the world is a lot better place then it was back then. The truth is, the Governments and the people of the earth in general are a lot worse then in the past. Jesus wasn't lying when he said that the last days would be the same as at the time of Noah's day. God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because of the wickedness and sin, every large city on the earth today is far worse then those two cities. Jesus is returning very soon.

@questionasker8791

3 жыл бұрын

@@ldfox11 Okay, but with all you’re saying it seems like Democrats would still be the preferred choice over Republican. Do you agree with that?

@ldfox11

3 жыл бұрын

​@@questionasker8791 When you consider that the Democrats are promising hope with no real answer, no. The only true hope is in Jesus, not in a political party that promotes deviate behavior and killing of unborn babies for any reason at all. The abortion thing really gets to me. Hillary Clinton said that one of her hero's was Margaret Sanger the founder of abortion in America. The reason Margaret Sanger started promoting abortion was to control the population of minority's. She feared that Black's and Hispanic's would displace whites and take over. One of many people at that time that believed in eugenics and was a racist. Another believer of eugenics, Adolf Hitler, killed Jews, Blacks, and mentally disabled 'retarded' people. These people believed that only white people should exist. This is how Planned Parenthood Federation of America was started. This is why the Democratic party loves Margaret Sanger. The first Republican President freed the slaves and the Democratic Party in the south started the Civil war so they could keep their slaves. The Democratic Party was also resistant to Civil Rights Reform. In the seventies when congress voted on the 'Civil Rights Reform Bill', not one Democrat vote yes. It was passed by the Republicans. There are still two people serving in congress that voted no. The reason they give the credit to the passing of this bill to democrats is because the President at the time was President Lyndon B. Johnson a democrat, even though he had nothing to do with it. It amazes me that the democratic party still has so much control over minority's in America. The Democrats are still the master and those who serve them are still slaves.

@questionasker8791

3 жыл бұрын

@@ldfox11 That’s a lot of words to say your reason against them is abortion. Is that the only reason for you?

One perfect example of a church denomination splintering over a leftward drift in doctrine is the Anglican church. For a want of more Christian zeal, the Methodists split from the Anglicans. When the Methodists started growing cold, the Nazarenes emerged from Methodism. So the Nazarenes are the "Wesleyan Fundementalist" grandchildren of the Anglican church--and its a wonder that grandpa is still hanging on!

Informativel thanks. Why we have so many sects, including Progressivism, is because each group claims its interpretation is definitive. What's missing is the role of the Church. 2 Tm 3:16. The following is being added to my original post as I realise the above scripture, disconnected from 1 Tm 3:15, is where the problem comes from. The Church is the pillar and ground of truth. The Church wrote the NT it wasn't the other way round. I don't mean the RC church, they appeared many years after the canon was agreed upon.

@1celtic2

3 жыл бұрын

@@stephenargent4010 it's good to be questioning and to be fair many of the criticisms of progressive Christianity could be applied to Protestantism itself. My questions found there best answer in the Orthodox faith.

@somethingtothinkabout167

3 жыл бұрын

@@stephenargent4010 Athiests seem to be saying the same things. Are they progressive too?

@PjotrII

3 жыл бұрын

@@stephenargent4010 It seems really hard for a none progressive to understand progressive (modern Christianity) or whatever label one wants to put on it. I fully agree with you, as a progressive, i don´t know all the answers, but I do know that certain simplified answers are not true. And as you say, I would like that people start reflecting and thinking. I do not require that they think like me, or come to the same conclusions, as long as they start thinking. I saw a video of a sects that tries to live like it was hundreds of years ago. A father in the family then discovered the smartphone, and was SOOOOO happy, that he could do many things with it, and he learned about Christian country music (that was forbidden there). In the same way, as one has got some eye opener, one would wish others could experience the same. There is a "christian phone" and it´s not a way of thinking as we had 100 years back.

One Word to rule them all and by God bind them. John 12:47-48 And if anyone hears My words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world. He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him-the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day. Rev 19:10-15 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself. He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 John 6 This is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, that as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it. 1 John 2:5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 1 John 4:7-8 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. He who does not love does not know God, for God is love. 1 John 3:10 In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother. Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Luke 7:47 Therefore I say to you, her sins, which are many, are forgiven, for she loved much. But to whom little is forgiven, the same loves little.” Torah law: Leviticus 19:34 The stranger who dwells among you shall be to you as one born among you, and you shall love him as yourself; for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God. Gospel law: John 13:34-35 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.” Islamic law: the prophet Muhammad s.a.w said, “you will not go to heaven unless if you believe, and you would not believe unless if you love each other, shall i told you what if you do you will love each other? disclose salaam among you Zec 7:12 Yes, they made their hearts like flint, refusing to hear the law and the words which the Lord of hosts had sent by His Spirit through the former prophets. Thus great wrath came from the Lord of hosts.

Hi ALISA; I have seen your interview with DAVID-YOUNG,among others. In listening to your understanding and passion for correcting modern cultural false ‘Progressive’ Christian doctrines,in addition to, badly constructed ‘liberal’ political views, it may help to put the ideologies in a broader historical narrative using the English language as the common-global dumbed-down phonetic language,[‘lingua-franca’] that only uses five-percent of the human lexicon to convey up to 90-% of intended communicated meaning,[‘linguistic-hypothesis’]. Since, you had a very good reciprocating conversational interview with Mr.YOUNG,asking specific questions of clarification on misguided present day North American doctrines of Liberal theology,I would like to offer a complete spectral view in PARTS,as attached: But, before doing so it seems very clear from the biblical text,Jesus-of-Nazareth’s Kingdom of Heaven would manifest itself before the end of the First-century when some of His Apostles would come to see it, - ”Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of Man coming in His Kingdom”. And, specifically; that was true for John-Zebedee, - “Jesus said unto him, ‘If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee’?” The First-century Judeo-Christian community was baptized with the Holy Spirit and Fire in the diaspora to ‘all-nations’ after the siege and destruction of the City of Jerusalem by the Roman Empire,c.e.,070. John remained and was exiled to the island of Patmos to receive CHRIST in visionary language to bring to a close of the end of the age,so that His Kingdom could abide within humankind. To be clear, it ain’t complicated. I do not think,‘Progressivism’,’Liberalism’,‘Marxism’,’Calvinism’,and ‘root’ Christianity means what you think it means. ... 0 ~

@allanvanderley193

3 жыл бұрын

1 ... I must confess my response seems quite eclectic and disjointed. That’s all on me,and not the audience. My journal is filled with notes and snippets of online conversations and citations, and only really make sense if I can construct a properly formed thesis or treatise with citations. Unfortunately, I am still in the research,recording,and fleshing-out stage. But, quite rightly in the sense that, if; I understand it well enough, then; I should be able to explain it in simple English. Such a process of parsing for me is the real challenge since the study of theology and religion is so cryptic by intent by its authors. But; I can share with you an online dialogue previous that ‘flesh-out’ my above rambled postings. ... Before actually posting previous related conversations. I summarise the conclusions of the matter in this preamble in ‘plain-language’ to ‘plain-people’; 1.] Jesus-of-Nazareth did not die as a Human-sacrifice to ‘atone’* for our ‘sins’. 2.] Jesus simply taught the intent and spirit of the Law through the example of His Life,Morals,Teachings and Philosophy. That is; His ‘New’ Law by ‘Commandment’ created Mankind in the Image of God in a spiritual rebirth as if being ‘Born-Again’. ... 1 ~

@allanvanderley193

3 жыл бұрын

2 ... I love the incongruity and cognitive dissonance in the biblical narrative of the Old-Testament. God’s ‘chosen’ people were given constitutional laws as a nation of how to live a moral life as a community, and, then; immediately breaks half of the Commandments they were just given - ‘do not murder’;’do not commit adultery’;’do not steal’;’do not lie’;’do not covet’. In theology this is known as ‘predestination’ Old-testament. Which of course was carried over to post First-century ‘christendom’ by the military-industrial complex Roman Empire by the Fourth-century as ‘Augustinian’ New Testament ‘Christian’ ‘Predestination’ allowing for all the ‘religious’ atrocities up until the ‘restoration’ of ‘freewill’,14-th.century; ‘Renaissance’,15-th.century; ‘Reformation’,16-th.century; ‘Enlightenment’,17-th.century; ‘Awakening’,18-th.century. All this began with the ‘Magna-Carta’,1215,’MONSTRANCE’. The ‘REMONSTRANCE’,[‘re’+’monstrance’],1610, reintroduced Freewill First-century theology upon the scriptoriums shifting to the printing-press,[their ‘internet’]. This was picked up by BARUCH-SPINOZA,1670,’Theological-Political-Treatise’; THOMAS-JEFFERSON,1820,’The-Life-Morals-Teachings-&-Philosophy-of-JESUS-of-Nazareth’; and ALBERT-EINSTEIN,1929. JEFFERSON wrote,finding the Words of Jesus was like finding ‘diamonds-in-a-dung-hill’. He removed the ‘dross’ of manipulations of ‘ignorance’ and ‘roguery’ of men. EINSTEIN simply said in a letter to a Rabbi,he merely believed in the ‘God’ of SPINOZA. I just responded at length on a theological group page,explaining the shift when an atheist trolled on a secularist group page about ‘Black People’ and the ‘blessings’ of ‘christianity’. I couldn’t resist the bait so I responded. Since, I’m not afraid to bore the crap out of my close personal Facebook friends. I attach a full text following for your amusement: ... Secular Politics, ANABAPTIST COLLECTIVE/ A-MENNONERDS GROUP: American-Christian Historical-Narrative - How-Black Americans became-christians July28,2020 Facebook-web-page. ... Arnold Neufeldt-Fast deeply convicts me to share what little I know of the American Mennonite Anabaptist historical narrative. I am neither a theologian nor a historian of any note like Mr.Neufeldt-Fast. I am however a deeply convicted ‘christian’ having studied the biblical narrative as an itinerant Gideon practitioner. Most recently as of 2014 and more intensely with the outbreak and shelter-in-place pandemic,I have been engaged in deep rhetorical conversations with a broad range of theological,ideological, and philosophical scientific communities - even secularists and atheists. With the WorldWideWeb online community and online resource network it is impossible not to find substantive material consideration. Although,one needs to find constant discernment in disingenuous argumentation and trolling. In a recent exchange with a anti-religion secularist,[Secular-Politics],I responded to the question of Black people and Christianity. As I responded,I touched upon many of the themes that touches the consciousness of the American historical narrative as it relates to Mennonite doctrine and Anabaptism in general. More specifically, having emigrated from Amsterdam with Frisian ancestral roots,I have been tracking the ‘christian’ narrative as it migrated from the First-century Judeo-christian diaspora to Northern Europe,the mission track of Andrew bar’Jona,Peter’s brother. Although, I have yet not constructed a formal thesis with citations,I have verified some pieces with the examination of the historical and archæological record. Please accept this rough and academically unverified ramble. Feel free to correct any fallacy and inaccuracies,including linguistical irregularities. ... + ... Question, July28,2020 ‘At what point did the Christian religion become a "blessing" for black people’? ... 2 ~

@allanvanderley193

3 жыл бұрын

3 ... Reply, ALLAN-E.VANDERLEY ... [picture-note,5] ... After the CIVIL-WAR the Black Baptist churches were founded and eventually led to Reverend Martin Luther-King,Jr. leading the non-violent Civil Rights Movement. The original ‘freewill’ First Baptist Church was founded in Providence,Rhode Island,1638. This ‘christian’ theology was based on personal responsibility and ‘clarity-of-conscience’. Roger Williams bought the land with a deed signed by the local Sachem - a head of state among local tribes and Chiefs. Williams had studied the Baptist writings of Reverend John Smyth and Thomas Helwys whom studied with the Mennonite Anabaptists,1609,Amsterdam, Province of Holland. The ‘Southern-‘predestination’-Baptists’ succeeded from the New England Baptists over the issue of slavery,1845. The Black Baptists understood the Freewill ‘general’ Baptist theology as U.S.President-Abraham Lincoln,POTUS-No.16 did,whom was raised in a ‘General’ Freewill Baptist household. Since he grew up in the Midwest frontier territory,the theology no doubt was closely associated with the Amish,Mennonites,and Anabaptist non-violent Christian theology whom adopted the Mennonite Confession,1632.[1] Since, he was well read and self-made he was probably aware of the purer form of Christian Mennonitism known as ‘Remonstrance’,1657,’Flushing-Remonstrance’,[3] ’all-men-are-created-equal’ declaration,which was heavily used in U.S.Constitutional Law. ... 3 ~

@allanvanderley193

3 жыл бұрын

4 ... Since, as a Remonstrant Mennonite of Frisian heritage,my familiarity with a piece of our post Christendom,[post-Catholic Church-state] theology is not measurable on a quantifiable historical or empirical scale, but, rather; our anabaptist roots are on a continuum of evolving faith and thought - the ‘many-mansions-in-the-Father’s-House’. It seems, our Amish cousins are in particular identified with a post Christendom Anabaptism that identifies with a particular agrarian community. They found a theology that fit into a particular time of enlightenment and place in history that can be firmly transfixed as being biblically and culturally defined in human spiritual development terms,16-th.century ‘plain-folk’. The people of faith known as ‘plain-folk-in-plain-clothes-serving-ordinary-lives’ can literally apply to an Amish ethno sect or figuratively apply to a non-violent,separation-of-church-state,freewill,born-again Christian,14-th.century,Brethren-of-the-Common-Life,’Modern-Devotion movement’; all the way to the non-violent,separation of church-state,freewill,born-again Christian humanist,19-th.century; Remonstrant ‘Groningers’,city-of Groningen,province-of-Groningen,United Provinces of Northern Europe; Transcendentalist ‘New-Thought’ Second-Awakening movement,19-th.century,New England,United States of America,[see,Ralph-Waldo-Emerson,Henry-David-Thoreau,Walt-Whitman]. The modern Freewill Remonstrant Church in the United Provinces of the Netherlands received official recognition,1795 with its home congregation residing in the City of Rotterdam,South-Holland. As of 2016,members and associated "friends", exist in more than 40-congregations throughout the Netherlands, and one congregation remains in the city of Friedrichstadt, northern Germany,[as of 2008]. The Freewill Remonstrant Brotherhood of Holland,pars-pro-toto confers fellowship with the European Liberal Protestant Network. As a full charter member of the World Alliance of Reformed Churches, Freewill Remonstrants frequently identify as denominational Unitarians. Freewill Remonstrants place emphasis on ‘personal faith’ and not in formal agreement with one another on questions of belief and social issues. We consider the teachings of Jesus-of-Nazareth cannot be separated from daily true Freewill choices for a life working together toward world peace and justice. The Freewill Remonstrant Church is a community of faith which, rooted in the Gospel message of Jesus-The-Christ - as true to its principle of freedom and tolerance, seeking to worship God by serving others with a simple ‘yes’ - requiring no formal ‘vows’. In addition to the Statement of Principle, most contemporary Freewill Remonstrants write our own professed declaration of faith, when becoming a member of the community. The Freewill Brotherhood community did formally express their faith three times in the past as an open shared confessional statement,[1621;1940;and 2006]. However; Freewill Remonstrance, being a non-creedal vow Freewill denomination, considers no confession of faith as canonical authority as a pledged ‘vow’. Concepts of, ‘IMAGE’-OF-GOD,EQUITY,& ‘CHURCH’-CONSCIOUSNESS renders RELIGIONS as inconsequential, manifesting in a hidden Christian ‘church’‘community’ in ‘plain’ sight. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong or made errors of omission. With attachments: ... 4 ~

@allanvanderley193

3 жыл бұрын

5 ... I can understand my points of observation are outside the common scope of Christian discussion. As a full explanatory,I’m afraid I will need to attach multiple PARTS,since I am not smart enough nor patient enough to write a shorter response,being a man of little brain. It reads as follows, attachments: ... Christendom, EXPLANATORY General-rhetorical ... To provide a genuine response, allow me to post two distinct parts. Since the rhetoric, debate, ideology and argumentation conflates and confuses current understanding; The first part is on the theology of the life, morals, teachings, and philosophy of Jesus-of-Nazareth. The second part is on the ideology of religion, politics and governance. . ... PART-ONE ... FREEWILL/ PREDESTINATION The use of the term 'Christian' in this context seems misleading and used rather loosely. To explain need not be lengthy: Simply put the theology of Jesus-of-Nazareth can easily be discerned into two categories; First-the-theology-of-'Predestination', the Second-the-theology-of-'Freewill'. The First-century Christendom was a Freewill-church up until the Roman Empire remade the church into a Predestination ‘religion’ out of the military-industrial complex,beginning c.e.,325. This was codified by Saint Augustine,Bishop of Hippo, Africa,by c.e.,400. The Freewill doctrine was restored during the 'reformation',16-th.century when the biblical narrative became a readily available publication by the scriptoriums’ transition to the printing press,15-th.century. Mostly through the proto-Baptists, Remonstrants, and Collegiants advocating Freewill theology and separation of First-century church and state. The Catholic Church did not update its Predestination theology until the Second Vatican Council,1965,'Dignitatis Humanæ'. Evangelical-christians,like the ones that support Trump still subscribe to the Predestination doctrine as redefined by John Calvin,known as 'Calvinism',1619,’The-Five-Canons-of-Dort’. Calvin was the first protestant charlatan, originally a French-catholic,whom saw the opportunity to craft his own 'religious' following. In the United States, in general, there are these two distinctions to all other denominational Christian religions. Even within a denomination like the Baptist churches these two distinctions apply: The "General"-freewill-baptists, generally the regional New England Baptists founded by the 'First-Baptist-Church',Providence,Rhode-Island,1638, and the "Particular"-predestination-baptists, particularly the Southern Baptist founded,1845 over the issue of slavery. Abraham Lincoln was raised in a General-baptist household. [To be clear, it ain't complicated.] END-PART-ONE ... 5 ~

Is there a beginners guide to progressive Christianity teaching? I've gone from looking at the 'new atheists' to progressive Christianity teaching and I want some basic info. I'm a non progressive christian. I found out the pastor at the church I go to, agrees with Zhnd's teachings about interpreting the Bible in a 'jesus centred' way.... I am so not good at articulating even my own beliefs... How do I even approach this? :-/

@NessaNZ

3 жыл бұрын

@AntiCap AtheistGuess you aren't too fond of the 'God of the Old Testament' either...

@PjotrII

3 жыл бұрын

@AntiCap Atheist Quite well put description. There has always been people more progressive (liberal) or conservative.

@PjotrII

3 жыл бұрын

@@NessaNZ The God of the OT is the same as the God of the NT, it is just that the people living 500-2000 years earlier lived in a very different society, with more ancient worldview, and SOME OF THEIR description of God differs, NOT GOD HIMSELF, because in their worldview you could have slaves, you could marry many women, you could slay the enemy´s women and children in war, you could stone someone to death because of a minor crime. It is them projecting some of their ideas on God. Not God telling them to do that.

@anarchorepublican5954

Жыл бұрын

Repent...and Accept the olde Book 📖 on its face...with all its weirdness and warts...but most all begin to acknowledge your own warts...otherwise your just going to be chasing your tail...

Alisa, In this video you said you are not a Calvanist, if I heard it correctly. If so, why do you not embrace Calvanist theology? Perhaps you should do a video on why you are not.

A&E's Mysteries of the Bible...The experience of my foray, into "liberal" critical scholarship mirrors the guest, David Young...during the heady late 90's days of the "Jesus Seminar", one of the few remaining mainline Protestant churches in the South Bay Area, with a large membership (Campbell Congregational United Church of Christ/Disciples of Christ fellowship- yes, the congregants were almost entirely white, highly educated, and upper middle class), would invite some of the leading liberal TV NT scholars Bart Ehrman, Bishop Sprong, Dominic Crossan, Marcus Borg, etc....In the end, I also found their inconsistent doctrinal positions and criticisms:... exaggerated, arbitrary, shallow, tenuous, and politically agenda driven, ...but most of all conflicting with each other...in "Adult Education" Sunday School, we would study their latest books...Mine was basically the only biblically conservative voice, and while somewhat appreciated due to its rariety, was often ganged up on by others- but in my less than humble opinion I carried the day...I came to the conclusion that these scholars, really weren't so much making progressives... as they were preaching to choir, and itching the ears of church going skeptics...I also came out of the experience with a stronger confirmation of my traditional Faith...

@anarchorepublican5954

2 жыл бұрын

@@DJ-769 ...Skepticism as a Choice:..what amazed me was that many of my most uber-skeptical and "deVinci code fringe" Sunday school classmates... were not only entirely ignorant of even basic christian apologetics...but rather quite resistant to it...In fact "apologist" has become a dirty word, like, "bigot', "racist' or "chauvinist" ...Mainline Denominations have become, haven's for the village HAthEist and wokeish "church conspiracy" crackpots ...at the question and answer period, after one of the lectures...a regular church attendee, asked the "scholarly" question:.. "Can we even know, if Jesus believed in God?"...a query... that shocked even the leftist theologian in the pulpit.

@anarchorepublican5954

2 жыл бұрын

@@DJ-769 ....no I haven't...and that would be a new low...

Thank you for this discussion. Many wonderful thoughts and reflections. I’d love to hear some exploration of the pre-reformation Church - it’s thoughts, premises, and practices. The reformers’ (Zwingli, Luther, Calvin) were the “progressives” of their times and differed quite drastically from each other in their views on definitions of “the Church”, Marian devotion, intercession of the Saints, sacraments, vestments, sacred art, etc. Many of their “premises” have set the parameters, paradigms and the trajectory of “progressives” today. If God doesn’t change, why would He change from the earliest articulation of the faith given to us by the apostles and articulated by councils of the church? I think it’s important to self-assess and be self-critical enough of our own position for the sake of the truth. For example, when it is said that “Origen was deemed a heretic by the church” - what church? What were the Orthodox beliefs in which he differed to determine that he was a heretic?

@anarchorepublican5954

Жыл бұрын

... The reformers’ (Zwingli, Luther, Calvin) were certainly considered "Radical" ...but NO!... they were not forward thinking "progressives"☞... As a matter of fact they were regressive, reactionary, and restorationist...attempting to move the Ecclesiastical/Theological clock backwards ☜ 14 centuries toward the first century...and away from the later, more modern innovations of the Catholic Church... You can start (...and basically end) your research into the extremely conservative mindset of the Reformers, by simply reading "The Regulative Principle of Worship" article in wikipedia...

Everyone should read the scriptural basis Origin has for believing that "every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord." He was excommunicated by the same Church that excommunicated Martin Luther and John Calvin.

@stephencrotts2417

3 жыл бұрын

You can find it in the Anti Nicene Church Fathers.

@anarchorepublican5954

Жыл бұрын

...where do you get your Church History?...Chick Tracts?

What does your symbol mean? Alisa, it kind of looks like a broken oh upside down cross and i am curious.

@sngileff5927

3 жыл бұрын

It looks like a tree to me with roots, rooted and grounded in Christ?

@Summer-sc1ph

3 жыл бұрын

It's a tree with roots representing how she is rooted in historic christianity.

Yeah, I suppose we will now get a "woke" 23rd psalm, something like: "My Lived Experience is my Ally, I shall not be triggered. Zhe makes me lie down in Safe Spaces. Zhe leads me beside the right-side-of-history places. Zhe affirms my identity. Zhe guides me in the paths of political correctness, for the sake of virtue-signaling. Even though I walk through the valley of the Light of Truth, I shall deny any Objective Reality, for my subjective feelings are with me. My heart and my gut, they comfort me. Zhe prepares some lattes, pita bread and hummus for me in the presence of my Oppressors. Zhe has adorned my head with foil. My Starbucks cup runneth over. Surely wokeness and victimhood will follow me all the days of my life, and I will dwell in the house of my parents forever . . ."

@franka2743

2 жыл бұрын

😆👍

Sorry spelling error bible teachers.

Having attended conservative and progressive seminaries, I find this conversation not to be uniqiue.

Progressive Christianity is arguably a bigger issue in Europe than the North America. The 3rd world has problems of their own, mainly the Prosperity Gospel (Kenneth Copeland) and the hyper-charismatic movement (Bethel, Hillsong, Global Awakenings, Iris Ministries, etc.) I have a large amount of personal experience with the latter, as I met my wife on a large Bethel/Global Awakenings youth missions trip (called The Power Invasion), centered around physical healing/words of knowledge, back in 2006. These ministries have only grown more prevalent in the 3rd World since then.

8:50 you need to have custom mugs! 😉

How exactly does one separate traditional Christianity from colonialism, slavery, etc.?

@TheMollyPitchers

2 жыл бұрын

Because "tradition" isn't Christian? Would you wonder the same thing about somebody who had a tradition of playing baseball with seven bases, and still claimed to play baseball?

Why would anyone think “historic” Christianity based on man made creeds hammered out in ecumenical councils by men 100’s of years after the fact is “real” Christianity?

Coming against men is coming against authority! Because people do not want to be told they are in sin!

Your guest makes a great point about "third world" countries holding fast to Conservative doctrine. I've heard stories of missionaries going to African countries, and the churches there are just dumbfounded as to why any Christian would support, for example, abortion!

@anarchorepublican5954

Жыл бұрын

...as a missionary , decades ago, I preached an Easter Sunday sermon in Jamaica, and causally mentioned so many of the Mainline Pastors in America's protestant pulpits that morning don't even believe in the resurrection...their mouths dropped in disbelief ...

@impalaman9707

Жыл бұрын

@@anarchorepublican5954 I would imagine!

@scottharrison812

Жыл бұрын

@@anarchorepublican5954 oh you’d love Africa: intolerance of LGBTQ people is huge… “Legal rights are diminishing for lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex (LGBTI) people across the African continent” Amnesty Int.). Lots of patriarchal Conservative Christians making life hell for people. Love and truth I guess. Hopefully the US can become just as intolerant ey? I have several stories to tell about “corrective rape” in South Africa… and elsewhere too … justified on grounds of enforcing good morality… even back in the 1980s - friends who were badly beaten by Calvinist South African cops, or who were banned from entering Namibia - yeah lets increase our intolerance- Jesus will really love that…,

"If we try a little harder, we'll make a better world." Couldn't you argue that those who held a high view of God (i.e. Calvinists, Puritans, etc.) also tried to build a "utopia"

@TheMollyPitchers

2 жыл бұрын

Utopia is actually NOT a Christian concept prove me wrong, using the Bible.

This was a very informative video about progressive Christianity and it's origin. But when he says it is very "white", what does he mean about that. The adjective is a descriptive indicating a color, and what he was describing is an attitude. Did he mean it was it stodgy, like most North Easterners who attended some kind of prep school and tended be self-righteous and stilted in their thinking and manners. It just bothered me when he described these North Easterner as "white" like it was some kind of pejorative term. And this "Liberal Christianity", is such a bane on this society, it reminds of the Laodicean church that is described in the Book of Revelation 3:14-22, the lukewarm church which disgusts Jesus Christ so much that he wants to spew it out of his mouth.

@PjotrII

3 жыл бұрын

We can surely use bible phrases against each other, but I don´t know if that would bring any good fruit.

@kurt1338

3 жыл бұрын

@@PjotrII Thank you for non-reply.

13:25 The acceptance of Darwinism in the Church is a dumpster fire for Christianity. Glad that I go to a church where most people are Young Universe Model Of Creation.

@embee1316

3 жыл бұрын

It would be horrible to go to a church that believes in science 🙃

@Crym123

3 жыл бұрын

@@embee1316 It actually would, and that because to "believe in science" takes personifying what is actually a method. Science is a process and skepticism is a huge part of the refining of our understanding through it. Ultimately, science "says" nothing. Many Young Earth Creationists practice the scientific method just as much as atheists. In every case, when someone says "science says" what they mean is "what I say, given the results of the research I've seen or done".

@embee1316

3 жыл бұрын

@@Crym123 I'd be willing to consider any research that has been done, utilizing the scientific method and peer review/critique, which supports Young Universe Creation. Most of what I have heard is simply a denial that science can definitively prove the age of the earth. That isn't good enough for me to discount the innumerable scientific studies that tend to refute Young Universe Creation. Science is never exact, but what is wonderful about the scientific community is that there is always someone new willing to test and refine a hypothesis. I think the the Church can and should exist alongside science.

44:00 I wouldn't limit this to progressive Christians. In some kind, they are just a recurring appearance of other unbiblical streams. For example the crusades or the clergy, in general, they really despite the gospel took some moral issues from Jesus' message and made a social and political ideology out of it which had some pretty strong occult and esoteric points. Ultimately those people rely on the flesh.

Vanderbilt University in Nashville? I guess in the Bible Belt I don't think about this being taught..

I belong to a "Charismatic" Evangelical church. I'm happy to say that no one on staff has decided to rewrite scripture, and so far is resisting the "seeker-driven" model.

@timbryant8152

3 жыл бұрын

@@fightingforthefaith8676 Hi Alisa, this just doesn't pass the smell test. Is this really you or another Nigerian Prince with a fortune for me.

@reedermh

3 жыл бұрын

@@timbryant8152 It's a scam, not the true account.

Alisa, just pulled up God is Grey 🤢 she may need a conversation with you however if you do please put out an email or something so myself and others can pray for you as you go through it.

@PjotrII

3 жыл бұрын

@Chris Jorgenson God is Grey is such a nice Christian!

Have you thought about Locals(dot)com as a Patreon alternative. Because Patreon has a history of baning people.

@fivefamily5820

3 жыл бұрын

Frankly I can't stand these pay walls more and more Christian ministries are putting up. I hear something really great, I can think of people I want to share it with, and then I hear the paywall, and I know the struggling young Christian, or questioning seeker, will be immediately turned off, and the wonderful message will get tainted and seen as just a gimmick to make money. Get sponsors. Heck, treat it as a mission ministry and get a team of backers, but don't put things behind paywalls and exclusive little clubs. It's akin to saving the front pews for the big donors, as well as the best parking spots in the parking lot, then there's the cheap seats, and then everyone else gets to park two blocks away and listen in on the speaker system in the lobby, until it is time to turn off the speakers so that those who put money in the plate and get to sit in the sanctuary can listen to the insider stuff, and the front row gets to ask questions.

The fact that they like to point to Origen as a source is interesting. Not only was he a heretic for certain beliefs he was also anti-semitic. I wonder how many of them are aware of that.

@saskiascott8181

3 жыл бұрын

Yes we are. There are plenty of church fathers who were anti Semitic, including the father of Protestantism Martin Luther. The point of appealing to Origen is to say, there were various beliefs about how the cross was actually efficacious. It gets misrepresented that modern penal substitutionary atonement was the only thing anyone ever believed back then. This simply is not true.

@thejohn17project15

3 жыл бұрын

I agree that there are many so called "church fathers" who were anti-semitic. I don't hold any of them in any esteem. I am not a protestant believer I am a judeo-christian believer. Because I am led by the word of God not theologians who were obviously devoid of truth,such as Luther, I do not hold to what men say. Unfortunately this is just a perfect example of what is wrong with "progressive" thought that Origen would be upheld. There were and are a lot of things that people believe. It doesn't make them true. Back then gnosticism was believed also. Making that argument does not add any credibility to your point if view. As for the reformation, though there was good reason initially for the thesis the division and hatred that followed is antithetical to scripture so yes much of the reformation should be thrown out. However much of what came before it had and still does have the same problems, namely a lack of obedience to scripture. Jesus is the Jewish messiah, He did not come to create a new religion He came to fulfill biblical Judaism. He made it possible for gentiles to be grafted into the chosen people of God. The fact that "progressive christians" seem to hate the Old Testament and embrace the teachings of an anti-semitic theologian makes sense. As with most "progressive" thinking it contradicts itself at every turn and violates the principles it claims to uphold.

True name of God is love.. their is no other religion. Revelation 14:1 Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father’s name written on their foreheads. Matthew 6:9-10 In this manner, therefore, pray: Our Father in heaven, Hallowed be Your name. Your kingdom come. Your will be done On earth as it is in heaven. John 15:9-10 “As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love. John 17:26 And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare it, that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them.” Matthew 7:21-23 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ James 2:8-9 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well; but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors Psalms 20:5 We will rejoice in your salvation, And in the name of our God we will set up our banners! May the Lord fulfill all your petitions. Songs of Solomon 2:4 He brought me to the banqueting house, And his banner over me was love. Isaiah 59:19 So shall they fear The name of the Lord from the west, And His glory from the rising of the sun; When the enemy comes in like a flood, The Spirit of the Lord will lift up a standard against him. Galatians 4:6 And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!” Romans 5:5 Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us. 1 Kings 8:18 But the Lord said to my father David, ‘Whereas it was in your heart to build a temple for My name, you did well that it was in your heart. Deu 10:16-20 Therefore circumcise the foreskin of your heart, and be stiff-necked no longer. For the Lord your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great God, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality nor takes a bribe. He administers justice for the fatherless and the widow, and loves the stranger, giving him food and clothing. Therefore love the stranger, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt. You shall fear the Lord your God; you shall serve Him, and to Him you shall hold fast, and take oaths in His name. Ezekiel 16:8 “When I passed by you again and looked upon you, indeed your time was the time of love; so I spread My wing over you and covered your nakedness. Yes, I swore an oath to you and entered into a covenant with you, and you became Mine,” says the Lord God. Acts 9:15 But the Lord said to him, “Go, for he is a chosen vessel of Mine to bear My name before Gentiles, kings, and the children of Israel. For I will show him how many things he must suffer for My name’s sake.” John 10:25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father’s name, they bear witness of Me. Galatians 5:6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love. Galatians 5:22-23 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. Hebrews 9:14 how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? 1 John 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him. Ephesians 3:14-19 For this reason I bow my knees to the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, from whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with might through His Spirit in the inner man, that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; that you, being rooted and grounded in love, may be able to comprehend with all the saints what is the width and length and depth and height- to know the love of Christ which passes knowledge; that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.

Hi Alisa

Insiders don't like outsiders, do they. It's the pharisees versus Christ all over again. Inevitably, the survivalist propensity in humans will want to protect their form of tribal identity from 'the other', as if they have the last 'word' on the subject. Gollum clings to his precious ring, and doesn't any light shine in. If you cling too strongly to what you hold as sacred, you inevitably turn it into an idol. This is the nuance, the subtlety, that such a position as this doesn't get. Stop creating divisions, create dialogue instead. Stop reducing individuals to labels, and 'progressive Christianity' to 'the devil'. Grow up!

I think having conversations with actual progressives, feminists, liberals, and people deconstructing would be the most ideal. Allie Beth sticker, Alisa and other commentators often will say “progressive Christians are...” and “this new movement is xyz “. When I see these comments, I think, “wait a minute, that’s not how I am/what I believe at all.” I think having real conversations- even with folks who see things differently- is better. What about having an lgtbq affirming Christian as a guest some time?

@dahelmang

3 жыл бұрын

How can you affirm homosexual lifestyles without undermining the authority of the Bible?

@PjotrII

3 жыл бұрын

I fully agree, as a progressive I seldom feel theor description is even close to what I believe. But I think they know it and do this by purpose.

@PjotrII

2 жыл бұрын

@@DJ-769 Nowhere in the word of God does it say we should watch or debate on the internet either! Fundamentalism is to ignore ideas, even proofs to just quote certain beliefs one was thought into. Dialogue, critical thinking, listening to others, scientific analysis can help us determine what really is true.

@PjotrII

2 жыл бұрын

@@DJ-769 The only truth is Joe Back's book - an autonomous universe. Anyone that questions it is wrong period, and I won't discuss with such persons..